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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. Today,

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Speaker 1: on the show Playtime, it's time to have fun in

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Speaker 1: the sun or the seat, or you know, in a

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Speaker 1: rotting carcass or whatever. So this is probably not news

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Speaker 1: to you. Animals love to play. Dogs fetch balls, Cats

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Speaker 1: chase after strings and feathers. Rats giggle with glee when

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Speaker 1: you tickle them, Birds like the snowboard, spiders like a

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Speaker 1: fool around, and wait spiders. Today on the show, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about all the animals who love to play,

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Speaker 1: and that list is way more extensive than you may think. Mammals, reptails,

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Speaker 1: and insects to have been caughstious, screwing around and acting

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Speaker 1: like idiots for the hell of it. Why do animals play?

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Speaker 1: What the hell are they doing with that octopus? Discover

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Speaker 1: this and more as we answered the angel question. Can

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Speaker 1: turtles play basketball? So why do animals play? It's to

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Speaker 1: prepare for adulthood, right, to hone predatory skills, to hone

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Speaker 1: social skills, to learn and get smarter and better. While

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Speaker 1: that may all to a certain extent be true, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: there's so many different documented forms of play, and some

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Speaker 1: of them have no clear explanation. In fact, play can

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Speaker 1: be dangerous. Daredevil animals who fall a too hard can

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Speaker 1: injure themselves just as humans can. So could play sometimes

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Speaker 1: just be for fun, a side effect of having a

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Speaker 1: conscious brain, rather than some kind of way to become

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Speaker 1: a better animal. A few studies have tried to tackle

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Speaker 1: whether play is always beneficial. A night study found that kittens,

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Speaker 1: when equipped with vision distorting goggles and rendered incapable of playing,

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Speaker 1: were compared with kittens that got to play with toys

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Speaker 1: and romp around and pounds normally, But they grew up

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Speaker 1: to be just as effective as hunting as the kittens

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Speaker 1: who were able to play. So the kittens who were

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Speaker 1: able to play had no observable advantage over the kittens

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Speaker 1: who couldn't play. Furthermore, a mere cat researcher found that

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Speaker 1: while mere cats are an extremely playful face de bunch,

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Speaker 1: the frequency of their play fighting seemed to have no

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Speaker 1: effect on their success at dominance, and who they chose

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Speaker 1: as playmates didn't seem to have an effect on their

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Speaker 1: camaraderie later in life. So could kittens and merecats play

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Speaker 1: just for fun with no real benefits? Today we'll be

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Speaker 1: looking at all sorts of different forms of play and

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Speaker 1: see that sometimes a fun cigar is just a fun cigar.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today to play in this space is after

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Speaker 1: comedian bird enthusiast Kenya Apornia. Hello, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. I didn't even know what the

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Speaker 1: theme was going to be, but I am plump. It's

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Speaker 1: a fun one. We've been doing a lot of gross

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Speaker 1: ones lately. It's a little breather from all the terrible

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Speaker 1: darkness that has been my October spectacular. But did you

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Speaker 1: say spider for play? Well? Yes, I mean but if

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Speaker 1: you don't see that as a positive, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to tell you, because we're very spider sex positive

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Speaker 1: on this show. My god, I'm so sorry. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to start out with something kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: So have you seen that video of the beluga playing

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Speaker 1: with the rugby ball? Oh? I that sounds familiar, but

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Speaker 1: I probably a no. Just so I can see it.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me show it to you just in case,

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Speaker 1: and it's always worth given it another look because it's

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Speaker 1: pretty great, so you can see. So it's this guy

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Speaker 1: on a boat in the Arctic and he's got a

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Speaker 1: after it really goes long, really goes long, and like

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Speaker 1: a dog picks it up. There he's got it, and

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Speaker 1: then he's well, okay, he fumbled a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's he's a good candidate. He's not

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Speaker 1: he wasn't strong in his first season, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna he might shape up to be a real,

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Speaker 1: real MVP next year. He's got the raw talent, but

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Speaker 1: he has no idea how to play the game right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't. He's not developed as a team.

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Speaker 1: He's he's developed as an individual, but he's got to

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Speaker 1: learn to play with the boat rather than just playing

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Speaker 1: it for hims self. Totally. I'm pretending like I know

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Speaker 1: anything about rugby. But he brings it back to the humans.

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Speaker 1: So he's playing fetch basically. It's basically fetch, and he

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Speaker 1: going to go after it again. He's clearly, very clearly

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Speaker 1: playing fetch. What a good boy? What a good boy?

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Speaker 1: Or you know, I don't know. I just always think

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Speaker 1: of you know, I always think of dogs when in

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Speaker 1: little let me give a little background on below belugas

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Speaker 1: because they are one of my favorite of these cetaceans. So,

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Speaker 1: cetaceans are aquatic mammals, which includes toothed and baling whales.

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Speaker 1: So that's basically all the sort of flippered mammals you

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Speaker 1: humpback whales to orcas to little porpoises to dolphins. These

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Speaker 1: are all in the cetacean family. So blugas are toothed whales.

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Speaker 1: So twos as you probably have guests, means teeth teeth

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Speaker 1: toothbrush teeth. Right. That's balians that like that big brushy

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Speaker 1: like uh, you know, the like weird eyebrow like fish trap,

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Speaker 1: the fish trap exactly. Broom broom mouth as we like

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Speaker 1: to call them in high school. Okay, they're broommouth. Uh. So.

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Speaker 1: Blue gas live in the Arctic oceans. They are white

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Speaker 1: or light gray in color, and they have round, fleshy bodies.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cute. They look like anything you could mold out

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Speaker 1: a clay. Yes, they look they look pretty squidgy and soft.

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Speaker 1: They're firmer than they look though. There you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's blubberry. It's uh but yeah, I know right. They

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Speaker 1: can grow up to ten to eighteen feet long. They

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Speaker 1: weigh from one thousand, five hundred to three thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds. Males tend to be larger than females. They

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Speaker 1: used to be thought to live only about thirty years,

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Speaker 1: but recent evidence suggests that they have similar lifespans to humans. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: hundred right, yeah, at least maybe for for you, but uh,

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Speaker 1: for for me when I toss back like entire canisters

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Speaker 1: of cookies and gummy worms. Maybe slightly. Yeah, But it's

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Speaker 1: not about what you do. It's about how medicine can

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Speaker 1: keep you alive. That's true. That is true. I what

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Speaker 1: I do is I'll eat a cookie and then just

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Speaker 1: take a pill, a random one, a random medication. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it'll do something good. You shouldn't keep it random.

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Speaker 1: But they are unusual amongst whales in that their neck

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Speaker 1: mammals so think of a dolphin. You're not used to

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Speaker 1: it can't do that, But beluga can. It can. If

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Speaker 1: you call out a beluga, it can like side at you.

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Speaker 1: and be like, who are you calling? Call them blubberry?

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Speaker 1: Like is kidding? I know, I've got lots of blob.

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Speaker 1: It's great, I love it. So it is also known

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Speaker 1: as the white whale and the melon head due to

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Speaker 1: But one problem with calling it a melon head is

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Speaker 1: dolphin called the melon headed whale. Oh that's so confusing,

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Speaker 1: I know, right, So what we'll keep calling it the beluga.

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Speaker 1: But the reason so many their scientists are so eager

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Speaker 1: to call these things melon heads is because their heads

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Speaker 1: are kind of melon shaped. And also the melon is

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Speaker 1: actually the real term for the anatomical feature of cetaceans

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Speaker 1: that help with echolocations, So so their heads are literally

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Speaker 1: the little sensor the bumpy. It's actually not the sensor.

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Speaker 1: But it is. It's a head bump. Okay, it's like

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Speaker 1: your right exactly. It's the badonca donc in the front,

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Speaker 1: so it helps focus and project echolocation, calls, clicks, chirps,

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Speaker 1: made out of squishy, fat tissue. Yeah, exciting, it is, right,

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Speaker 1: it's like a flesh megaphone. I wouldn't well, I don't

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Speaker 1: could use like a melon microphone, like fleshy microphone, a metaphone,

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Speaker 1: can PLoP one on your face. I'm sure we can

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Speaker 1: do just plot. The medical term is plopping it into

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Speaker 1: the face after you age one, right, exactly, I will

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Speaker 1: everyone else. Let's put this melon head on you so

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Speaker 1: It's really funny. It looks like they're just kind of

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Speaker 1: It's cute. It's adorable. Imagine you have a fleshy lump

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Speaker 1: fatty tissue exactly. So. The beluga is also known as

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Speaker 1: the sea canary due to it's birdlike calls. So mariners

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Speaker 1: like a canary singing. So let me give you play

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Speaker 1: of why they were called the canaries. Of the sea.

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Speaker 1: Yes please, kind of like a techno canary. I know.

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Speaker 1: That's fully a bird. Yeah, that is not a bird.

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Speaker 1: against each other. It's the flirt part. I go straight

421
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Speaker 1: for the dry hump, straight for the dry hump. They

422
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: do not leave room for spider. Jesus. It's a disgrace

423
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know where their chaperones are. But what's

424
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: interesting is it's not just they don't they're too stupid

425
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: to understand that they're not ready or sex because the

426
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: females seem to understand that this is not actual sex.

427
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: And we know this because they don't eat the male's

428
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: head after they do the dry humping for real one right,

429
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: when it's a real connection, when you've made a true

430
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: sexual connection and you have been intimate as a spider,

431
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: you you eat the dude's head. I'm supposed to You're

432
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: supposed to have sway me to like spiders spooky. But

433
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: it's a commitment, it's an ultimate commitment. Well, okay, to

434
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: be fair to spiders, there's only about a thirty percent

435
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: chance that they're going to eat the male's head. But

436
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: so when researchers looked at the play, the playful flirtationous humping,

437
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: they found that the females never ate the male spider's head,

438
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: which I think is really polite of them. It's like,

439
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, this is just a dry run. This is

440
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: a you know, this is a test run. I'm not gonna,

441
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, kill you during the practice game. But in

442
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: the finals, yeah, I'll probably you'll probably get your head eaten.

443
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: But that's fine because that's that's the for real one. Yeah,

444
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: that's that's the real show, the real performance, is it,

445
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Because then the eggs are laid inside the body that's

446
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: left over. Oh my god, now you've got me going crazy.

447
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there are obviously there are many insects that

448
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: do lay their eggs inside the bodies of prey items.

449
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: But this is just a case in which the idea

450
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: is that when females do eat the heads of the males,

451
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: it may help increase the viability of their eggs, So

452
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: that extra snack that they get is good for good

453
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: for them, good for the survival rate of their eggs. Yeah,

454
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: but they don't. I mean, come on, don't be gross.

455
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: They don't lay their eggs and the bodies of their victims.

456
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: You're sorry, I'm being grossed. They're not like the tarantula

457
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: loss that paralyzes tarantulas and then lays their larva on

458
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: the tarantula, and the larva eats its way outside of

459
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: the tarantulas it develops. Come on, Kim, come on, don't

460
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: be weird. Okay, well, okay, so you look really uncomfortable,

461
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: So I think we will move on from spiders. Hey,

462
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: that learning was cute. It was adorable. Wink wink wink, wink,

463
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: wink wink. All the eyes keep winking. Oh my god,

464
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: that's real spider blurting. So let's talk about geckos in space. Space, Space, space,

465
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: geckos in space. So, uh, did you know there are

466
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: space geckos hovering above us? Maybe even at this moment?

467
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: Well there are. So Geckos are much studied animals in

468
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: unmanned spacecraft because researchers are really interested in seeing how

469
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: they manage that spider Man trick of climbing up walls.

470
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: So geckos, as you may know, are really good at

471
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: climbing up stuff, and like really sheer surfaces, so they

472
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: can even climb up glass. If you've ever owned a gecko,

473
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: you know they sometimes can climb up the glass tank.

474
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Kimmy it, come on, I'll go out and get a

475
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: gecko and a bunch of spiders. Yeah, you're supposed to go, Yes,

476
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: and I'll get a bunch of geckos and spiders. Yes,

477
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: and I will. So a specific species of gecko was studied,

478
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk about the Turner's thick toed gecko. Um,

479
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's got the thick toes though sees thick

480
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: to double ts. So these are a species of gecko

481
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: who are found in southern Africa and also in space space.

482
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: So scientists have long been curious about how gecko has

483
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: managed to climb up walls. Uh, and researchers have sort

484
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: of I think they may have pinned it down to

485
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: Vandervald's forces. So I gotta preemptively say I'm not a physicist,

486
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: so this is slightly out of my wheelhouse, but I'm

487
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: going to try to explain Vandervald's force. It is an

488
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: attraction or repulsion between molecules over very short distances. So

489
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: the way that maybe geckos are able to use Vandervald's

490
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: forces is they have these microscopic hairs on their toepath

491
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: adds that interact with the molecules on the surface that

492
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: they're climbing. So these little, tiny, tiny, tiny hairs have

493
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: these little molecules that get really close to the molecules

494
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: on the surface that they're climbing up in these weak

495
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: Vanderwald forces make it stick together, and then you just

496
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: multiply that by there's so many hairs on their foot

497
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: that they're able to stick. So this is just like

498
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: so small, something that's so tency. Yeah, you'd never real

499
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: to see it. Yeah, I mean, well you can probably

500
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: see it under like an electron microscope, yes, okay, yeah,

501
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: but like you know, like in the Spider Man movies

502
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: where you see Spider Man and he's got his fingers,

503
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: he looks at his fingers and these tiny hairs like

504
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: poke out of his fingers kind of like that. That's great. Yeah.

505
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Researchers are of course interested in seeing whether they can

506
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: still do this in space, so they put geckos in space. Essentially,

507
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: story short, we shot them into space. We couldn't just

508
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: keep them down here in those fake space you know,

509
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: atmosphere thingies. We don't we spent all the money to time,

510
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't think we have we don't have those anti

511
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: gravity space chambers yet. What we don't have those officially

512
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: on the record. Oh yeah, we gotta we gotta cut

513
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: this all out of the podcast. Get Get. The FBI

514
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: is just busting down our door. The area forty one. Okay,

515
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: so you don't even know, well, no, the thing is

516
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: they want you to focus on area fifty one. What's

517
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: going on? And two that's where it's actually happening. Gecko aliens. So,

518
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: in fact, they found that geckos can climb walls in space,

519
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: so great cool, But they also found something else. They

520
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: found that geckos like to play games in space. So

521
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: in space, so on board the buy on M one

522
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: unmanned spacecraft turners thick toed geckos were caught playing around

523
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: in zero grab, which is a great headline. I'm very

524
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: good at headline writing. Is good. What happened is one

525
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: of these space geckos wriggled out of its collar and

526
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: went rogue and was just floating around like a little sneaker,

527
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: and it was holding its collar and just kind of

528
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: like the collar floated away because they're in low gravity.

529
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: And the gecko started playing with this floating collar. They

530
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: would boop it with their no kind of push it around.

531
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: One gecko tried putting it on, trying it on, tried

532
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: to put his head through it. One of them tried

533
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: pinning it to the floor and then like releasing it

534
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: and seeing what happened there, just experimenting, just playing. Yeah,

535
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: who's the real scientists, the scientists or the geckos. But yeah,

536
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: still the scientists, well okay, but they're doing experiment experiments

537
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: on their collar for fun. I'm also imagining that they

538
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: are all having little tiny bubble helmets over just their heads.

539
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: There's just like some kind of like science noise beeping

540
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: in the background, and one of them has a little helmet.

541
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: They're just like floating around exactly essentially, that's what's happening.

542
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's zero gravity, but it's not zero oxygen,

543
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: so they're they're probably fine, that's fair, that's cute. But yeah, no, no,

544
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: they do have a little time space suits, good little

545
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: tiny NASA patches on, and when they're getting on the

546
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: spacecraft is just the slow walk of geckos with a

547
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: little helmet under their arms like don't dunk, don't d

548
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: don't and like a little gecko is like, oh, I'm

549
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: so worried about my gecko husband. Oh I hope they

550
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: don't forget about me. Read three to one stof the

551
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: geka is like just like their faces going yeah, yeah exactly,

552
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: all the all the space things. It's like, here'ston, we

553
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: have a problem. There's just a gecko turd floating around.

554
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That was real though, when people went

555
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: up into space. Yeah, where do they poop the poop

556
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: in bags? I know, well sometimes I float around. Yeah,

557
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I read about that. I've been here. I know they

558
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: had to poop somewhere and it must have been in

559
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, the pooping baggies and dehydrate them some time

560
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: at times. And that right, there was an incident where

561
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: like the poop baggies accidentally got released, yes, and that

562
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you can there's like a recording I think it was

563
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: an Apollo flight where they're joking about poops flying around. Anyway,

564
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: someone fact check that. It's like, oh, is this is

565
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: this dehydrate of No? Not I screaming guy, So how

566
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: do we know that these geckos are playing like? I

567
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: mean we to be fair, we don't like we can't

568
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: get inside the brain. We can't avatar inside a gecko

569
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: brain yet. Um. But there's a good chance it is

570
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: play based on some of the criteria that we've made

571
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: for like what is play versus another behavior? Years So

572
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Mark Bekov is a behavioral ecologist at the University of

573
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Colorado Boulder who talked to Discover magazine and said that

574
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Speaker 1: even though play is difficult to define, it can fit

575
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: a few criteria. So he said, quote, play is a kaleidoscope,

576
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: a mix of different behaviors from lots of different contexts,

577
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: like predatory behavior, aggressive behavior, sexual behavior. And it's this

578
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: mix that allows animals to know that it's play and

579
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: not something serious. So play is loosely defined as being

580
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: fitting this mix of criteria, so being voluntary. There's no

581
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: obvious practical function. Uh, it's different from practical functions. Uh.

582
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: It can be repetitive. Uh, it can be predatory, sexual, aggressive,

583
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: or a mix of these behaviors, and the animal playing

584
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: is not distressed, and it's for the most part healthy. Uh.

585
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: And then if you kind of hit most of those

586
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: criteria or see a combination of those things, there's a

587
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: good chance that that qualifies as basically playing, because what

588
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: else is it going to be. We've talked about this

589
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: on the show before, but octopuses will play. They like to,

590
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: So there's a super smart they're very smart. Yes, you

591
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: should check out the aliens under the CEA episode. It's

592
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: we have a guy who lived with an octopus in

593
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: his living room and made friends with it. He's like

594
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: an octopus researcher, and they're incredibly smart. They have been

595
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: seen playing with So these researchers put an empty pill

596
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: bottle in their aquarium and so it's buoyant and it

597
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: floated around, and the octopuses were playing fetch with themselves.

598
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: So they were letting the bottle like float out and

599
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: then it like would like push it with a stream

600
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: of water, and then he would float back and then

601
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: push it again. So it's playing ball and also turtles. Surprisingly.

602
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: Now what's interesting is some of these animals that we're

603
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: talking about are not super intelligent. So obviously spiders basically

604
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: almost don't have a brain, have like a cluster of

605
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: neurons that can is almost like hard to describe as

606
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: being like a fully functional brain, and yet they still

607
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: do this interesting mimicking behavior and so turtles are obviously

608
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: more complex than spiders, but they are not maybe as

609
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: intelligent as like a bluego or an octopus, but they

610
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: still engage in place. So uh. In the nineteen eighties,

611
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: there was this African soft shelled turtle living in the

612
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: National Zoo in d C. And his name was pig Face.

613
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll show you a picture so you understand why. They

614
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: have really weird snouts like snouts that. Yeah, they're they

615
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: just they're not unlike hard shelled turtles where they have

616
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: this distinct hard shell. They are squishy boys, squishy boys

617
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: animal squishy. Yes, this is definitely squishy. Yeah. It's like

618
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: a lump lumpy turtle. Okay, yeah, with the pointy nose,

619
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: and they are pretty funny looking and they have pretty

620
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: long necks. And unfortunately, pig Face was having some behavioral problems.

621
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Speaker 1: It kept clawing at itself client scratching its own face,

622
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: and zookeepers were very concerned, and the common knowledge at

623
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: the time was like, well, turtles can't be bored, so

624
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: we don't know what why it's doing this. Well, it's

625
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: literally ripping his face right and then well but yeah,

626
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: and then the zookeeper was saying, well, you know, I

627
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: think he could be bored, actually, because he seems pretty bored.

628
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Speaker 1: And so they gave him a couple of basketballs to

629
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Speaker 1: play with, and at first it didn't seem like he

630
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: was doing much with the basketball. Official size, well, you

631
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know for turtles. Maybe for the

632
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: Turtle Basketball Association, the t B a t t B A. Yeah,

633
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: So but they recorded, They set up a camera to

634
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: record and see what it would do with these basketball

635
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: and when they were reviewing the footage, at first it

636
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: didn't really seem like much, but then they sped it

637
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: up to watch the whole thing. And then once they

638
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: saw it at this higher speed, it was very clearly

639
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: playing with a ball like a little puppy. They don't

640
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: do sloma replay right exactly fast fast, because the turtle

641
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: isn't a fast animal. It's not like a puppy that

642
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: sprints around. But then when you speed it up to

643
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: basically what the animals activity level is, it was playing

644
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: with it. He was frolicking around, booping it with his nose,

645
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: having a good time. And I think it was a

646
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: real testament to this this idea that first of all,

647
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: even animals we don't give that much credit for for

648
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: being intelligent, can still be bored, can still need stimulation

649
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: and enrichment, especially if they're not and if they're in

650
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: a tiny enclosed environment. I always think about that. But

651
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: these animals that are like being rehabilitated in zoos or

652
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: just have grown up in zoos where I'm like, what

653
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: do you guys doing a small space? You just swim

654
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: this way and then you go that way, and yeah,

655
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah. I mean I have a friend who

656
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: she would go around the world and try to teach

657
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: people about animal enrichment, especially in captivity and rehabilitation programs,

658
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: because it's really important that people understand even if you

659
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: provide for all of their needs like food, shelter, a

660
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: good amount of space, if you don't give them entertainment,

661
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: social stimulation, and in these other kind of just like

662
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: fun games to play, they'll get bored and they'll start

663
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: to exhibit neurotic behavior that's really a sign of bad

664
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 1: things happening, Like polar bears will pace a lot, they'll

665
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: like overgroom themselves, and then when they introduce more toys

666
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: and more social interactions than those kinds of uh, those

667
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: little behaviors of of kind of almost like O C

668
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: D like behaviors stop happening. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, so

669
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: it's I think it's really important to understand how playful

670
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: animals are, not just because it's key and fun, but

671
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: because it impacts like how we actually treat them. They

672
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: need it, Yeah, they need it. Just one one fact,

673
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: rats who get tickled giggle what they don't It doesn't

674
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: sound like human giggles. But researchers found that when rats

675
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: would get tickled, which they love, by the way, they

676
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: love getting tickled. They do they Yeah, they would run around,

677
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: they they would they have these squeals that were specifically

678
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: associated with getting tickled. Okay, well, but I thought tickling

679
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: was bad, Like when humans get tickled, isn't it your

680
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: body freaking out? That's why you laugh? This is what

681
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: I heard. I mean, I don't know, like body tenses

682
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: up and it's like natural reaction is to like laugh,

683
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: but you're just like panicking so much you don't know

684
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: what to do. Well, I think everyone responds to tickles differently, right, Okay,

685
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean it is it is. That is true. Like

686
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: there are some theories about laughing being about like being

687
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: so overstimulated that you just don't know how to respond.

688
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: And certainly tickling can be really unpleasant, but you know

689
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: it kind of I think in the rats case, at least,

690
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't like they weren't finding the worst spot and

691
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: then tickling it relentlessly and then holding its head down

692
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: and being like, well, you're tickling yourself while you're tickling. Uh.

693
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: You heard about this the rats driving cars, about how

694
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: rats like to drive. They like to drive, and that's

695
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about that is that's another instance

696
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: of play because they don't need to drive, they just

697
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: enjoy it. So they made these little vehicles for rats

698
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: and they could learn how to drive them to get

699
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: through a maze. But they found that even when the

700
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: vehicles offered no actual advantage for the rats, like didn't

701
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: help them with anything, they still seemed to really enjoy

702
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: learning how to drive and going around honking at each other,

703
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: going like oh and if you cut me off. It

704
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: brought down there like stress levels and anxiety, which is

705
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: the opposite of how I feel when I'm well. It's

706
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I think that originally probably the

707
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: first people who drove, like when cars first came right

708
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: like cars one point, oh, the start of cars, it

709
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: was probably really fun because nobody was around. So for

710
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: these rats, like for now, it's great, but wait until

711
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: it's an actual traffic jam, a real rat race. So

712
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean to see if it's fun then when you

713
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: you gotta get to work and there's some guy head

714
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: who's got his blinker on for a mile and yeah,

715
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: totally yeah, so they have it. They think they've got

716
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: it so good now at least instead of hear me out,

717
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: instead of automated driving like driverless cars, I hear where

718
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: rats driving the cars, so they have fun. Yeah, we

719
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: get to not drive the cars. Many will die, However,

720
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: isn't it worth a shot? It is called Google. Serious

721
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: dial Google, I know what burning question you have? Could

722
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: dine the stores have enjoyed playing? Could a t rex

723
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: have romped around playing with some poor triceratops's skull? Some

724
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: evidence suggests that yes. So let's look at crocodiles. Now,

725
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: crocodiles didn't descend from dinosaurs, but they're about as old.

726
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: They evolved two hundred million years ago during the Mesozoic era,

727
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: and crocodiles love to play biologists at the University of

728
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Tennessee at Knoxville have studied the play behaviors of crocodilians,

729
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: using over three thousand hours of observation. Their play behavior

730
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: includes tossing around a ball, blowing bubbles in the water,

731
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: snapping playfully at streams of water, carrying around bright flowers,

732
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: and giving each other piggyback rides. But what about the

733
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: direct descendants of dinosaurs. That's right, I'm talking about birds.

734
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Birds love to play, as many bird owners may already know,

735
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: Even the more serious seeming birds love a good time.

736
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: Birds of play like screech owls will pounce on leaves

737
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: or in captivity, cat toys, corvids which is os and

738
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: ravens love to play with all sorts of shiny objects,

739
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: and a crow was caught on camera in Russia taking

740
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: a metal lid to the top of a snowy rooftop,

741
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: sitting on it, and sledding down, only to repeat the

742
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: process again and again. Black swans have been videoed surfing

743
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: the waves, flying out onto the beach, finding a wave

744
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: that's just crusting, surfing it to the shore, and repeating

745
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: the process. I'm definitely including links to these videos of

746
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: the show. Notes seriously check them out and tell me

747
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: with a straight face that these birds aren't having a

748
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: heck and good time. So here's the here's the crow snowboarding.

749
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: He's gone to the top of the roof, snowboards down,

750
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: picks up the lid, bottom, gets back up there again.

751
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: And the great thing about being a snowboarding crow is

752
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: you don't need to scala, no weight, tiring back, no

753
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: wait times. You can just fly back up and he's

754
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: gonna do it again. Ah yeah, right, that powder dude,

755
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: that's some good. He's got something. He's got some good

756
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: air there. It takes a lot because he's like, he's

757
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: also using his wings, so it's like a skill arding crowboarding. Nice,

758
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: that's what it's said on the video. Come up with that. Well,

759
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: it's a good one anyway. Here's some swan surfing. So

760
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: here's a group of black swans going out into the ocean.

761
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: They find a good way to surfing, and then what's

762
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: incredible is it doesn't seem like it's just a mistake

763
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: because then they fly back out find another way. You've

764
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: got to try that again. Yeah, bro, catch the live

765
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh nice tubular dude, that's swell. In fact, it seems

766
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: more likely that most animals engage in some form of play,

767
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: whether it's locomotion playing like enjoying, sledding or surfing or crowboarding,

768
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: play behaviors and pretend flirtations. But there can be a

769
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: dark side to playing. When we return, we'll learn that

770
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: mother nature lets you playing with your food, and sometimes

771
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: your food plays back. Imagine you're strolling along on a

772
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: nice day. The sun is shining. The birds well, that's weird.

773
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: The birds have stopped singing. Something is off. You feel

774
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a deep trembling, something rising from the ground. Suddenly, a

775
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: huge appendage rises from beneath you, tearing apart the ground.

776
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: It scoops you up and tosses you high into the air.

777
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: You fall down, expecting to meet a quick end. But

778
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: that's when you land on something soft and fleshy. You

779
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: come to the horrible realization that this giant monster has

780
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: caught you on its appendage. Well, this is it. Hopefully

781
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: getting eaten won't suck as bad as you thought it would.

782
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: But then you feel the air whoosh around you as

783
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: you're tossed again high into the air, so high the

784
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: air thins and you can barely breathe. You land again

785
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: with a thud into the monster's grasp. You're pretty sure

786
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: most of your bones are broken at this point, and

787
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: again it tosses you. Why doesn't it kill you? What

788
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: is It's some kind of sick game? And that's when

789
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: you realize it is a game and you're the ball.

790
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: It's not spooky. That one's spooky too. These are all spooky.

791
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is one if you can believe it.

792
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: This is a less spooky episode. The other ones have

793
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of parasites and you know, disembo say no more. Although,

794
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: speaking of disembolpment, Jimmy, I want to welcome you to

795
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: the life of a fish who was unlucky to encounter

796
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: nature's most adorable anshole, the dolphin. So dolphins love to

797
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: eat fish right out of the water. Dolphins have this

798
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: hunting strategy where they will forcefully kick a fish out

799
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: of water with their flipper and when the fish is

800
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: stunned obviously after flying through the air and exactly it's

801
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: like someone just threw you into the airness can't breathe right.

802
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: So the dolphins will take advantage of these shocked fish

803
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: and then eat them because they're horrible monsters. Little everyone

804
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: loves a dolphin. But what's interesting is they don't just

805
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: do this to hunt, so they will also play with

806
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: their food after they've already caught it. Dolphins have been

807
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 1: observed tossing fish over and over again before eating them,

808
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: and it's speculated that sometimes this is practical, so they

809
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: may be making sure that the fish or octopus that

810
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: they caught or whatever prey item is truly dead so

811
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that they can swallow it without choking, which is a

812
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: pretty reasonable thing to do. But sometimes they just do

813
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: it because they can, and it doesn't seem to have

814
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: any real practical purpose, and so, as we talked about before,

815
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: that would qualify it as play. Uh. Dolphins have been

816
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: observed playing ball with things they have no intention of eating. Uh.

817
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes dolphins have been observed dragging seagulls under the water,

818
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: dunking them, playing around with them a few times before

819
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: releasing them unharmed but super frazzled. I think we can't

820
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: say play, and we need to call this bully dolphin bowling.

821
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I guess uh, I guess it is.

822
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: They are essentially like giving the birds swirlies exactly. Yeah,

823
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: They're they're the big big man on campus, a bunch

824
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: of footballers playing around dead fish, dunking on seagulls, a

825
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: nerd bird like yank um underwater dang. So. They also

826
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: like to pull and tug on turtle tails and legs,

827
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: which is super mean unless I got a crush on

828
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: those turtles. Give them old tug. I don't like you.

829
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm just shut up. I'm gonna chase you, though, not

830
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: because I like you. They will even stock sharks and

831
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: mimic their movements. Wow. The more we talk about these

832
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: are they're about jerk teenagers, right, like, look nice, leave

833
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: me a little look at me over shark. Yeah, I

834
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: don't know bones, I got cartilage do Let's see you're

835
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: good at this. Maybe it was a dolphin in the

836
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: in the past life and Orca's who are actually members

837
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: of the dolphin family like to go shark tipping. They

838
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: will flip over sharks, which makes them really easy to

839
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: torment and eat because when sharks are tipped over, they

840
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: go into this state of catatonia where they don't move.

841
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: They just kind of like sheep like sheep. Yeah yeah,

842
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: So it's just it's kind of like cow tipping, but

843
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: with sharks, and sometimes they do eat them. Also, yeah,

844
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: the orcans will eat the sharkscause we're on kay. Orcas

845
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: are are dolphins, But that's what I'm thinking of, you know,

846
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: the black and white whale. Yes, yes, but it's and

847
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: dolphins are whales. Understood, it's confusing, but they're all called

848
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: was that first category? No, those are so so to

849
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: the to the whales are dolphins and other other toothy

850
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: whales and orcas are in the dolphin family. Will remember this, Yeah, us,

851
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: so dolphins are whales or because our whales or because

852
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: they're also dolphins, and yes, cool. So this actually reminds

853
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: me a lot of cats, Like how cats will play

854
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: with their Oh yeah, they're flicking their food around, looking around.

855
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: So I had a cat when I was growing up.

856
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: She's a real, real sweet cat, but just a vicious killer.

857
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: Would kill probably, you know, killed off a few rare

858
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: bird species in her lifetime. She would was very good

859
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: at catching mice and birds. She loved to come up

860
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: to our back door, which was a clear glass door,

861
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: and you could look out and she saw us and

862
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: she'd have a dead mouse and she'd like this was

863
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: her little stage, and she put the alta show and

864
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: she would toss this mouse up disembol it just a

865
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: confetti of blood and guts, and she was watching. She

866
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: would look at me to make sure I was watching

867
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: as she tore this mouse to shreds. And she had

868
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: so much fun, and I think she was probably this

869
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: is sort of a maternal or social behavior where she's

870
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: thinking like I'm gonna show you how it's done, and

871
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: had a really good time. But I think it was

872
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: also just fun for her. It sounds like Benny Hannah

873
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: makes me think of like a It's just like around

874
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: does that little onion volcano, but it's made out of

875
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: dead mine exactly. So like dolphins, cats may play with

876
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: their prey partially to kill it and disable it so

877
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: that it doesn't hurt them. Uh so it makes him

878
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: easier to eat, it prevents them from scratching them. But

879
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: it's probably, I think, also really fun. I mean, cats

880
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: also play with toy mice for no purpose. They seem

881
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: to really enjoy it. Did you see that video of

882
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: that cat that ran out onto the football field? That

883
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: was Okay, you gotta link that. So here's here's the

884
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: cat running out onto the field. Just it's so fight.

885
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: So it's this huge black cat it's real chalker and

886
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: uh he or she, I don't I don't know who

887
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: this cat is, but runs out onto the field and

888
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: looks momentarily stunned as thousands of people look on, Oh

889
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is a cat's nightmare. I mean, but

890
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: do you think the cat is do you think this

891
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: is like a cat form of streaking, or do you

892
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: think that one of those cats, one of that cats.

893
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: Buddies was like, I'll bet you can't do this, but

894
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: you wouldn't run, no niggi across the field, I would go.

895
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Would watch me? Just watch me? I I wonder. Or

896
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: do you think the cat was like looking for the bathroom,

897
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: made a wrong turn and suddenly it's in the middle

898
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: of the stadium. It's like tables and bits. Just keep running,

899
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: you just keep running, and everyone saw you when they're

900
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: all looking. So one thing that I think is really

901
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: interesting is that big cats, like lions, leopards, tigers, all

902
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: those all those big old, big old furry death machines

903
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: are basically just big cat. They're a lot like domesticated

904
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: cats and vice versa. So big cats love to play

905
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: with their food as well, and it is truly psychotic.

906
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: So there was a video of a leopard cot who

907
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: was dismembering a wart hog corpse. I mean, which is

908
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: that's normal? So far, so far, so good. It's butchering

909
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: this wart hog corpse to eat it, normal normal leopard stuff.

910
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: But then it picks up the wart hog's jawbone and

911
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: uses the jawbone to stir around its own carcass. So

912
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: it's like it's mutile, basically mutilating this wart hog just

913
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: for fun, right, It's like, han, it's got this this

914
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: jaw bone. It's like, why are you hitting yourself? Why

915
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: are you hitting yourself? Really psychopathic behavior, right, And it

916
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to serve any like some people were wondering,

917
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: how is this tool use or Something's like, no, it

918
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: doesn't serve any purpose. It didn't accomplish anything. It was

919
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: just like one or what happens if I shove this

920
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: in here? Yep art that art I've made? Art uh.

921
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: And big cats will also play with their prey while

922
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: they are still alive. Often a big cat like a lion,

923
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: will catch something small like a little antelope or other ungulate,

924
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: and once the prey is tired and stops running that

925
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: sometimes the prey will just like go into the state

926
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: of catatonia where it will lie down and stop trying

927
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: because it's so exhausted. And this is actually not a

928
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: bad technique always, because if you don't have any more

929
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: energy to run, your best bet is to lie down

930
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: hope that there is a break in the cat's attention

931
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: so that you can make a dash for it once

932
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: you've recollected yourself. But once the prey has calmed down. Uh, Sometimes,

933
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: like when it's just stopped running and it's just laying

934
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: there kind of like dumb struck, the cat will play

935
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: around with it, like kind of smack it around and

936
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: put a big paw on it. They'll even groom it. Sometimes.

937
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: This is sick, I know, right, And they can appear

938
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: really gentle, like, oh, I'm now adopting this this little antelope.

939
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: This is scary, you said, this is so spooky. That's

940
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: to be like, hello, my pretty, I'm just taking care

941
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: of you. I'm just gonna give you a little brush.

942
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: It's like so good. It's like that it's split that

943
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: that I didn't see it. The trauma personalities. Yeah, what

944
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: what's that actor's name, James McAvoy, Yeah, I know, I

945
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: just play stupid about movies. But no, it's he's got

946
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: these multiple personalities, and one of his personality, or I

947
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: guess a few of his personalities are crazy, actually, but

948
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: one of them wants to kidnap and eat these kids,

949
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: these girls. And I'm going to see this movie. And

950
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it either. But what I like to

951
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: do is there are movies I'm too too scared to see,

952
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: too spooked to see. But I read it up. I

953
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: read it on Wikipedia because I'm curious, but I don't

954
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: actually want to see it. I am a weenie. And

955
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: so he catches these these girls, and then one of

956
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: his personalities is like the sweet grandma or sweet mother,

957
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: and he starts like braiding their hair and says, I

958
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: made you a sandwich. I made you a sandwich. Oh,

959
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: you have such pretty hair. It's basically what these lines

960
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: are doing. So most of the time, once they get

961
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: bored or hungry, then they just kill the prey. I

962
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: don't just so it's such a such a jerk thing.

963
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I'm bored now, so as long as

964
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: you're very entertaining, right right, It's like it's like wait, wait, wait, wait,

965
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: I see I can juggle cartoon lion King was accurate

966
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: when Scarhead does you Trapped and every damn that movie

967
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: has a lot of inaccuracies, but that's that's the one

968
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: that is correct exactly. Lest you think that it's just

969
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: male big cats that are jerk, lionesses are just as terrible.

970
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: So lionesses were observed killing doves even though they had

971
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: no need for the dove meat because they were like

972
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: neck deep in an elephant carcass. So uh, they were

973
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: clearly not hungry because they had just finished gorging themselves

974
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: on this elephant carcass and a flock of doves landed nearby,

975
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: and they paused to admire the beauty and elegance of

976
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: these doves. It's like one of them was just like,

977
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill them. So they start jumping around

978
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: playing with these doves, trying to snatch them out of

979
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: the air, and there was no need to do this,

980
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: absolutely no need. One of them caught a dove and

981
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: killed in. It was just like that was fun. I mean,

982
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as when your cat who is

983
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: fully fed, goes out and kills a bird and disembowels

984
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: it and doesn't eat it because it's just fun. It's

985
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: just fun to Yeah, now I'm now I don't like cats. Well,

986
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: here's a fun of in stories. So sometimes your food

987
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: will play back, Okay, it will be really annoying. So

988
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: there is this video of a hippo playing with a crocodile. Now,

989
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: typically adult hippos are not on a crocodile's menu because

990
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: they are big and they are scary, and you should

991
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: be scared of hippos. They will mess you up, That's

992
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: what I've heard. They are not kidding around. Yeah, they'll

993
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: chase you, and they kill a lot of people more.

994
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: I think they kill more people than any other animal. No, no, no, no, no,

995
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: I've got a deliver lit No. I mean the number

996
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: one killer is probably mosquitoes actually because of diseases. But no, no,

997
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 1: they kill a handful of people every year. But they're

998
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: they're not like, they're not super dangerous. They're just more

999
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: dangerous than like, if you're afraid of I think lions.

1000
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: I think they kill more people than lions. Essentially, even

1001
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: if you're crocodile, you don't want to mess around with

1002
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: adult hippos. But hippo calves are soft and squishy and delicious. Apparently,

1003
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: if you're crocodile. But there is a video of a

1004
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: hippo calf who is maybe a little too much of

1005
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: a mouthful for this crocodile, and she just tortures this crocodile,

1006
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: plays with it, and she's not being aggressive. She doesn't

1007
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: show any like signs of aggression or bear or territorial nous.

1008
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: She's just having fun. So she chases the crocodile around,

1009
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: tugs on its tail, romps around, wrestles with it, and

1010
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: the crocodile keeps trying to escape bold little hippo. I know.

1011
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: It's really funny because and so the crocodile is surrounded

1012
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: by other hippos too, so it's probably thinking like I

1013
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: can't do anything without getting completely destroyed, so it doesn't

1014
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: try attacking the hippo. It just keeps trying to get

1015
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: away from this playful little little hippo. And uh so

1016
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: here here's the hippo, and it's it's really just really

1017
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: interested in the crocodile. The crocodile seems less than thrilled

1018
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: and keeps trying to get away, and I was just

1019
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: yelping like please tell um, yeah, And it's pretty funny.

1020
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: It just like keeps torturing it runs around like like

1021
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: plays with it underwater, pulls it underwater and rolls around.

1022
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: It's just hangs. It's like you're my new best friend.

1023
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: And this crocodiles like please know, so over it, Like wow,

1024
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: even on land, I thought I could escape band sniffing

1025
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: his but get out of here. So it's like literally

1026
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: just like pulling on its tail. It's kind of funny

1027
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: to see because it's you think of crocodiles as being

1028
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: these ruthless killers, and really they're kind of WIMPs when

1029
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: they know that the tables could easily be turned against them,

1030
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: and I like to see that bothered. And the croc

1031
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: only got to escape when a herd of elephants showed

1032
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: up and chased off the hippo, probably because the hippo

1033
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: was being really annoying. Uh. There's this another really cute

1034
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: thing where I mean hippos. Hippos are bold. So there's

1035
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: a photo of a hippo just kind of like sniffing

1036
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: around a hyena in its nose, and it's usually what's

1037
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: interesting to me too, is that these are young hippos,

1038
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: so they're more curious. And this this young hyena and

1039
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: this young hippo. We're just kind of sniffing each other.

1040
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: They're not they're naturally not really friends because Hyena's I

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01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: mean Hyena's I don't think typically go after fully grown

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Speaker 1: hippos because that would be a very bad idea of

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: bad matchup there that yeah, it's not gonna work out

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Speaker 1: in their favor. But definitely a little baby hippo would

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: be more more their style. Uh, and they work as

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Speaker 1: a pack so they can take down things that are

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: pretty big. But yeah, it is. It is funny that

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Speaker 1: it's you've got these two guys that are kind of

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Speaker 1: natural enemies in the sense, but they're so young they

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Speaker 1: don't know, they don't know. It's like it's a fox

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Speaker 1: and the hound exactly. Oh yeah, that was a sad movie,

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: really was. I don't understand why she didn't just like

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Speaker 1: murder her neighbor, that the old lady who had to

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: get that's what she done, all right, because like he

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: keeps trying to shoot her fox like he does. He's

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: like why have a fox as a pet. Well, then

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Speaker 1: she just shoots him and was like, oops, I thought

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Speaker 1: you were a fox waink wink and dying much better. Ending.

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Speaker 1: That was a screwed up movie. It was, because doesn't

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Speaker 1: it end with the So the fox makes friends with

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Speaker 1: the hound when they're both puppies and a kid and

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01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: a puppy, and they have to kill each other, right,

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01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: and then like he goes hunting, the old man that

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: owns the hound goes hunting, and the hound that used

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: to be his friend is like, oh, but I have

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: to kill you because I'm It's like, no, you don't,

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: you don't have to, you don't have to, and then

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: it just ends with them I guess, sort of deciding

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Speaker 1: not to kill each other. But then the older Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the older dog dies or gets in No one dies, right,

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Speaker 1: because then they show him at the end of like

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01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: there's a Disney movie, the dogs are just in casts.

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Speaker 1: Dog has like a leg cast and yeah, the fox

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: signs it like I know you're trying to kill me

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: for sport, but I hope you feel better soon exactly.

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Speaker 1: Don't break a leg. Oh you already did a won't won't.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any any fun play stories? Do you

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01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: have any pets or any kind of like fun playtime stories.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, Well, my I guess this is normal dog stuff,

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: but my dog rips up all of his stuffed animals.

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Speaker 1: But here's the fun fact. I have a one eyed

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01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: dog and I was putting his toys away. This is

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01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: just like a couple of months ago and I found

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: three of his toys where he'd bitten one eye off

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Speaker 1: of each toy. Like, this is great. Does it your

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01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: one eyed dog? You can go Yeah, I have pictures

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Speaker 1: of it that I can show you. I think I

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: think I saw you posted this. I was on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I was like, my one eye but one eye? It's crazy?

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Speaker 1: Is it always the same? One? Know? Your dog so stupid,

1091
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: can't be consistent? Is right from his left one? An idiot?

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Speaker 1: That is interesting? Yeah, you think he has? Do you

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01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: think it's like some kind of like body relation thing

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01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, no, I only have one eye, so

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: everyone else must. Has he ever made to go at

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01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: you like, I see you have two eyeballs human, Let's

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01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: see if we can't fix that. He has played with

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01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: my parents dog and there was a moment where like

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: they got too tired of chasing each other and they're

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01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: just both laying down and my dog was like wicking

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Speaker 1: my parents dog's eyeball and he's like, huh. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was like an Elvis. You let it take him.

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Speaker 1: This is like an inn is like an im night

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Speaker 1: show and movie where it's it's the dog has one eye,

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Speaker 1: but then it goes insane and decides everyone must have

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01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: one eye. I think that's what's going on. Yeah, yeah,

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01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: boy it was like I must steal the eyeballs, think,

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Speaker 1: oh you go, boyd, the eyeballs will be my mask's

1109
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: got a big fixation on eyeball. Sometimes I cat looking

1110
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Speaker 1: at himself in the mirror like he didn't remember that

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01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: he just got the one and he still one eye.

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Speaker 1: I must correct the situation with my toys exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is that's fascinating, pretty wild, that's pretty crazy. Dogs

1114
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Speaker 1: are smart? Dogs are they are uncannily smart? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my my dog. Her claim to fame is she likes

1116
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: to fart as soon as she sits in your lamp

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Speaker 1: and I claiming you Wow, I don't like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of a dog trying to

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Speaker 1: like d eyeball everything that comes across him. But you know,

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Speaker 1: oh sure, judge my dog dog. Well, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me today. You got anything a plug?

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Speaker 1: Can people fall you on things? Can they look at

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Speaker 1: you yes, yeah, if you got well, if you want

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Speaker 1: to see this dog photo, I think I pinned it

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, so go at child Clown underscore because someone

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Speaker 1: me have it. Or on Instagram at child Clown also great.

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