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Speaker 1: Filling in for the great Shannon Gross. It's Kyle Yeoman's

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad to be alongside a pair of former

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Speaker 1: mister Mike Bassett from probably the coolest looking backdrop I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen on a zoom call ever. Mike, just by

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Speaker 1: the way, the pantry. That's my quiet place. Hey, my

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Speaker 1: whatever you've got to do. But I've also got Nate

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Speaker 1: pro bowler, and then Barry Church a part of the

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Speaker 1: crew this week, zero time pro bowler. But you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: really all that matters. And so, man, we've got some

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Speaker 1: And normally I would ask Barry as the special guests

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Speaker 1: we kind of know what you've been up to lately

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Speaker 1: But how have you been, Mike? What's going on? I've

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Speaker 1: been doing good man, just watching a lot of football

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Speaker 1: Here you go, and talking of the NBA. A little

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Speaker 1: the Fan. But you mentioned football, Mike, and I'll let

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Speaker 1: after the game was over, and he talked about we

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Speaker 1: kind of asked him about the fake punt on fourth

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Speaker 1: and ten, you know, kind of the risk reward seemed

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Speaker 1: way off there, like if you did get it, which

431
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Speaker 1: was a small percentage, now you just have first down

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Speaker 1: at the thirty five yard line and it's only a

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Speaker 1: four point game at the time. And his answer was, guys,

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Speaker 1: we were getting gashed vertically with the run, and which

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Speaker 1: made it sound like to me. The way he answered

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Speaker 1: that was if we punted to him and they got

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Speaker 1: the ball back, we weren't going to stop them from

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Speaker 1: getting first downs running the ball, so we might not

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Speaker 1: get the ball back, so why not take a big

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Speaker 1: risk and see if we can get a first down.

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Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is with Lamar Jackson and

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Speaker 1: his running a ability with the Cowboys really missing their

443
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Speaker 1: first four defensive tackles now because they signed two veteran guys,

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Speaker 1: one released, one gets hurt before the season, then they're

445
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Speaker 1: two young guys are hurt, so they're working on fourth

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Speaker 1: and fifth guys at the defensive tackle position. Is a

447
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: team like Baltimore, we've seen it, like Baker Mayfield to

448
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: me is a below average quarterback. They're eight and three,

449
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Speaker 1: but they got Chubb they got Hunt and they have

450
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Speaker 1: a good defense, so they don't really have to rely

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Speaker 1: on Baker to throw the ball, which I think, like

452
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Speaker 1: Nate said, that will get exposed in the playoffs when

453
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Speaker 1: he can't throw the ball accurately to win a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: But against the Cowboys, we've seen teams that don't throw

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Speaker 1: the ball well or struggle with it. Still they can

456
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Speaker 1: run the ball, where the Cowboys really struggle throughout a

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Speaker 1: game to stop it. You know what, and see, just

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Speaker 1: like you called a reverse and you're willing to take

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Speaker 1: that chance. I had eight guys standing within five yards offense,

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Speaker 1: the defensive line, the line saying okay, what you gonna do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I would do if you're willing to Just

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Speaker 1: a team is down by four points and you're willing

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Speaker 1: to say, hey man, we know sooner or later we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get gash. Let's just try something just out of

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Speaker 1: this world. That's what that play was. Out of this world.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get Nope. I try to call all my

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Speaker 1: ex teammates and everybody to say, hey man, what did

468
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Speaker 1: you see? And they just said, why why not leave

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Speaker 1: the offense? If you're gonna offense? I got the world. Why.

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Speaker 1: I went to sleep that night. My wife woke me

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Speaker 1: up and said, baby, you gotta quit saying why. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why you're doing that? Okay, why twenty to

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Speaker 1: sixteen two? I mean we talk about forty one to sixteen,

474
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Speaker 1: but at the time that's early in the fourth quarter

475
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Speaker 1: twenty to sixteen, it's four point. I mean, that's oh man,

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Speaker 1: I'm asking why. I mean, why don't do that? Put

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Speaker 1: me in the battery. It's the safe space whenever you're

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Speaker 1: looking at it from a defensive standpoint before we take

479
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Speaker 1: our next break, but whenever you're slowing down. And Mike

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Speaker 1: mentioned the vertical run game, and that's what Washington does well,

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Speaker 1: is that vertical run game. Baltimore they do that well too.

482
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: I mean they've got JK. Dobbins and mark Ingram. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of the time Lamar Jackson wants the edge,

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Speaker 1: Yes he does, a lot of the time he wants

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Speaker 1: the edge. What's easier to stop from a defender standpoint,

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Speaker 1: the vertical run or getting to the getting to the outside. Well,

487
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: it's easier to stop going to the outside because you

488
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Speaker 1: got because he's not gaining that much yards as he's

489
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Speaker 1: going lateral. So if you keep you know, if you

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Speaker 1: keep pushing them to the edge, you know your defensive

491
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Speaker 1: line and stay in their gaps. You just keep pushing

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Speaker 1: them to the edge, you can run them down eventually,

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Speaker 1: for you know, a three two two three yard game.

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Speaker 1: If you just push him out of bounce, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: run out of the field eventually. But that vertical if

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Speaker 1: he's going downhill and you ain't getting and you ain't

497
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Speaker 1: getting nobody to touch him before he gets at a

498
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: second level as a safe key, that is the worst

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Speaker 1: thing you want to see, especially if you're the middle

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Speaker 1: of the field safety. If you're that deep thirsty, you

501
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: get your little back pedal going and then you just

502
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: see that line part like the red seas and this

503
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: big dude coming through there. That's the worst thing you

504
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: can imagine. It's that's besides lining up against Randy Moss

505
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: or something, because you know it's just you and him

506
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: in the open field and he's either gonna embarrass you

507
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: or you're gonna make it a heck of a play,

508
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: and it's just one of the worst things ever. So

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Speaker 1: I would say if you don't have a great d

510
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Speaker 1: line in that middle, it's harder to stop that vertical

511
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Speaker 1: then pushing that guy to the side of Let me

512
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: say this, let me say this right here, Nate's just

513
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: got a virtual himage in his head. If somebody getting check,

514
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: you didn't never have to worry. If Darren Woodson came

515
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Speaker 1: after the game and had a little red line across

516
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Speaker 1: his face, a little blood trickling down, that means that

517
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: the vertical wrong was on that day you got lying.

518
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: You're not lying, and that's where you start looking at

519
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: your d line like, come on, guys, go on, now,

520
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Speaker 1: go on, Now, what kind of player were you were

521
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Speaker 1: you want to make the tackle? Were you the one

522
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Speaker 1: that was like, oh, I'm like, oh, I ain't gonna

523
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: lie to you. I'm a bigger safety, but I'm here

524
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Speaker 1: we go. It's nectually have to happened like two or

525
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Speaker 1: three times in the first half. I'm like, man, come on, guys,

526
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: let's come on. My shoulders are hurting, man, let's go them.

527
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tough matchup for that Cowboys defense.

528
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: And JK. Dobbins and Marky Groom should be available for

529
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Speaker 1: that game for Baltimore as they're already off the COVID list.

530
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: They did not play today, but they should be available

531
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Speaker 1: next Tuesday. And then it's a big question mark on

532
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. It's right up on that border. Just depends

533
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Speaker 1: on positive testing and how he gets out of the

534
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Speaker 1: COVID protocol. But when we come back, where are we

535
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: sitting after that Washington loss in terms of are we

536
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: shutting it down or we keep pushing for this division?

537
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Speaker 1: Are we team Tank or are we going for this thing?

538
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: In terms of the NFC guys, what's going on in

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Speaker 1: y'all's heads. You're listening to Cowboys Cross Talk on the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Radio. Now to s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross

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Speaker 1: Talk about broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at

542
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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Welcome back into Cowboys Cross Talk

543
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: from the Star in Frisco and Mike Basset's now famous pantry.

544
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: Along with Mike Bassett, Nate Newton, Barry Church, I'm Kyle

545
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeomans and well, Mike, we're gonna put you on the

546
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Speaker 1: spot here because Nate has decided that we're gonna put

547
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Speaker 1: you on the spot here as the lone wolf in

548
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: terms of one oh five point three the fan representation here,

549
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: everybody else is on Dallas Cowboys dot com. So with

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Speaker 1: that being said, Team Tank of course, the Cowboys sitting

551
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: at three and eight and a schedule coming up that's

552
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: still favorable for the Cowboys should they want to make

553
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: a run at the division. They're one game out of

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00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: first place in the NFC East, and they're also one

555
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: game out of the number three overall pick, and the

556
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: team that's in front of them is coming up on

557
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: the schedule in the next couple of weeks. So with

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00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: that being said, there's definitely a lot of Cowboys fans

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00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: on both sides of the fans. First, I want to

560
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: hear what side you're on, and then we're gonna get

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00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: into it, probably because Nate is definitely not on Team Tank.

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00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: If you are on Team Tank, I'm on Team Tank. Okay,

563
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be as a player, believe me. I played

564
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: on some crappy baseball teams and yeah, I tried our

565
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: best and still lost and ended up with a top

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00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. In the baseball drafts way different

567
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: than the football draft. But for me growing up, Nate,

568
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: without the Cowboys going three and thirteen, there's no Troy Aikman.

569
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: If there's no Troy Aikman, there's no dynasty, and so

570
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: now I get it, we kind of have Dak Prescott.

571
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: What I say kind of is because he's not under contract,

572
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: but we assume he's going to be either franchise tag

573
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: or under contract. But to me, getting a very high

574
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: pick and maybe getting one of those difference makers, what

575
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: you hope to get with like a number two, three, four,

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00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: or five pick is you hope to get a future

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00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. And so if you get lucky and

578
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: the right guys there and he ends up being whoever

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Speaker 1: it is. You know, DeMarcus Ware, I know he wasn't

580
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: picked three or four, but if you can find that

581
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: guy to really change to me the defense, then maybe

582
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: that can in the future down the road the next

583
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Speaker 1: year or two, really change the way that I see

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys maybe competing for to get back to the

585
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game the last time they're there. I'm pretty

586
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: sure Nate was on the team. Were you on the team? Yes,

587
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't into until You're Great. Analogy of three and

588
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: thirteen produced Troy, but also I think ten and six

589
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: produce Patrick Mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs, and I

590
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: think that a seven and nine team produced Wilson in

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00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: the forethrown. So I'm not saying that I'm not giving

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00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: up that easy. You know, I'm not giving up that easy.

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Speaker 1: But I do believe, basket to your way of Ta

594
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: n Cave, I do believe that we can win this

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00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: division with six games and still get a top five pick.

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00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: How does that come from? They just just chose all

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00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: of the above. He didn't. He didn't choose A or B.

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00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: He went to, look, if if you're this is how

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00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: I see it. If you're not gonna get the one

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00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: or two pick, you ain't winning nowhere in this draft.

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Speaker 1: It ain't but two guys I want in this draft.

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Who are those two guys? That's the kid at Clemson,

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00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: that's the kid Ohio State. And then I hear y'all

604
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: talk about another kid out there that's a quarterback. I

605
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: don't want him. I want those two guys. But you

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00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: do want a quarterback as your first pick? Yeah, that's

607
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: where That's where I would That's where I would want

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00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: it those two guys. Now, the office alignment everybody's talking about,

609
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: forget that. As much as I love of office run,

610
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: we pull up a office alignment in the third and

611
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: and and as a third player pick. Somebody needs to

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00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: be mind, I ain't gonna for real, for real office

613
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: aligned with the third player for real. All Right, what

614
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: if I tell you is what if you can get

615
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: around fifteen sixteen? You can get the corner from Alabama?

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00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm down what you're thinking now, because I'm not giving

617
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: off but ten. What you think of T, A and K.

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00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: So here's the tough thing though about this, Because Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us and Jeff Kavanaugh and Dane Brugler, guys that

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00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: I talked to. They know this draft like up and down, sir,

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Speaker 1: And they said they've been studying it quite a bit

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00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys just aren't having a great season. Whoever

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Speaker 1: wins this division gets the nineteenth pick, okay, and so

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00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: whoever loses it. Obviously, four of the ten worst teams

625
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: are in this division. Just one of them does get

626
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: to go to the playoffs? Is they said? Unfortunately, after

627
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: you get past those two quarterbacks, picks about three through

628
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: twenty don't look any different. Unfortunately this year there's no

629
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: Chase Young this year. That that's they said. This is

630
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: the unfortunate thing about this. There's no Champ Bailey or

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00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson or like un Fortunately in this year that

632
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys do have the third, fourth, or fifth pick,

633
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: there's maybe not much difference on your board between the

634
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: third guy and the tenth guy, or the seventh guy

635
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: and the fourteenth guy. So this is honestly one of

636
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: those years if you're looking for a defensive difference maker

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00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft, there's not a can't

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00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: miss guy that you would look at, like a Miles

639
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Speaker 1: Garrett or something like that. See and I would probably

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Speaker 1: argue that Micah Parsons should be in that conversation as

641
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: a can't miss guy. The linebacker out of pis date,

642
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 1: but even he opted out, and it's kind of tough

643
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: to say whether or not he's gonna hit or miss

644
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played football in a year. His tape

645
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: is from twenty nineteen, so it's kind of tough to

646
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: go about. And I think that's another thing with this

647
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: draft is how valuable are these picks right now because

648
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: a lot of these top players have either already opted out,

649
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: or they've opted out of half of a season or

650
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: things like the Sword. In terms of what you got

651
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Speaker 1: something on that, I'm looking at Church because Church is

652
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: looking at thousand miles Stare. I got the thousand miles Stare.

653
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: The only people that know what's going on is team

654
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: take Team take help on. Let me let me know

655
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: this because because let me ask you this, Let's just

656
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys lose out. I don't think they will.

657
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: I think they'll win one or two more games. But

658
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: let's just say that they lose out, which means they

659
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Speaker 1: have the third pick in the draft as of now,

660
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: because Jacksonville and the Jets, I can't predict they're gonna

661
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Speaker 1: win another game. So either at pick number three, Trevor Lawrence,

662
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Speaker 1: who I look. I'm gonna tell you I think he's

663
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Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer. At watching him, I'm in

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Speaker 1: love with Trevor Lawrence. I get Dak is a very

665
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: good quarterback. I'm not dogging Dak right now. Trevor Lawrence says,

666
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to play for the Jets and I

667
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: don't want to play for the Jaguars. I'm not going there.

668
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I want to play for the Dallas Cowboys. So now

669
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Speaker 1: all you gotta do is trade from three to one,

670
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: which you don't have to give up a whole lot.

671
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Now the Jets have to play with you, ye, would

672
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: you guys somewhat move on from Dak? If Trevor Lawrence

673
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: says I want to play for the Dallas Cowboys and

674
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Speaker 1: the Jets are willing to dance with you on the field, yes, wow,

675
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: off the field, I just couldn't do it. He just

676
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: went from Dak Prescott. Yeah, just because he brings so

677
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: much off the off the field that. I mean, his

678
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: leadership alone is amazing. I mean, I don't think we

679
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: would have, you know, Anonymous coming out saying all this

680
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: other stuff back in the day. I don't think we

681
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: have any of that. If Dack's there, he's that leader,

682
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: He's that bona Fi leader that locker room. So I

683
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: would I would ride with Dak. But if we're talking

684
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: about strictly on the field play, I go with Lawrence Man.

685
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I would go with Lawrence. I go with Lawrence at

686
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: that three if we were able to get heard what

687
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: I said and they ain't backing all foot, if you

688
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: ain't got the number one pick on the number two pick,

689
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: just pick in it. But well, that's what Mike's saying.

690
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: But then he wants to beat But I just say it.

691
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Would you go with Lawrence or Prescott. I'm going with Lawrence.

692
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: I just say that those two quarterbacks because even with

693
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Speaker 1: that Dak, next year we don't find those players on defense.

694
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna have to find players on defense

695
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: that can come in and be difference makers. And if

696
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: we can't find them, Dak is gonna be doing the

697
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: same forty points that this other kid gonna be doing

698
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: just younger. I'm being honest, sooner or later. And I've

699
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: been praying for this for six years now, Church that

700
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: we have to have a defense, and this year here

701
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: averaging thirty six points a game, people finally believe, Wow,

702
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: we need to gotta find one now. Whenever it comes

703
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: to that specific question, Mike and Sean and rj Aske

704
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: actually asked me that this morning, and I said, I

705
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: would rather trade down than trade up. Come on, I'm

706
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: more interested in trading down than trading up for more picks.

707
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: Because whenever you're talking about trading up or trading down,

708
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: trading up means you're you're you're voting for salary cap room. Right,

709
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: You're voting to not pay Dak Prescott. You're gonna take

710
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, and you don't take up the piece of

711
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: the pie that is going to be Dak Prescott's contract.

712
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Whenever you're trading up, you're opting to have more salary

713
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: cap room. When you're trading down, you're talking about more

714
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: draft capital. Whenever you're talking about draft capital, do you

715
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: get more pieces, more darts for the dartboard, as Jeff

716
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: Cavanaugh likes to say, for the defensive side of the football.

717
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the defense saying I want more

718
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: draft capital. I want more young guys on this roster

719
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: rather than one young guy that's gonna play really well.

720
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: But Barry, yep, I'm listening. Did team tain't just tell

721
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: us it ain't no different between three and twenty A

722
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: bunch of Wenna, have a bunch of Wenna, have a

723
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: bunch of high second round picks. It come on, man,

724
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to trade out of the first round.

725
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trading out of the first you ax, broadest,

726
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: That's who I learned this from maybe the first through

727
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: the fifteen, truly first round pigs. From maybe the fourteenth

728
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: to the end of the second round, all you got

729
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: the second round picks. They just developing players. They developing bro.

730
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Tell you something, tell you something.

731
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Speaker 1: If the Cowboys do not have number one on the

732
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Speaker 1: number two pick, I'm agree with Kyle. We need to

733
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: move down and get as minutes we can't. Nate Newton

734
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: chooses all of the above because he's saying, if we

735
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: don't do what you're doing, Yeah, then I'm gonna do

736
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: what Kyle's doing. But do you know what on the

737
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: serious tip in church, you know I'm all about winning,

738
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: and I say this right here with all my heart.

739
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: We have to if we have seven picks, eight picks,

740
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: and it has to be all defense without a doubt.

741
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: If you're not getting the number one a number two pick,

742
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: and I'm being honest, that's the only way I would

743
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: not have that here. If you give me the number

744
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: one on the number two pick, that's the only way.

745
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: And then you know what, I'm not gonna play with Dank.

746
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play him like you know what. That

747
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: love you, but I'm moving forward. I'm not gonna play

748
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: with him. You don't do him like that now, that

749
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: would be untter for him. Yeah, But once I get

750
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: my number one pick, it's over, Doll. I'm going all

751
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: defense because you don't have to change nothing. On the offense.

752
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: Tell me what's wrong with it. You have to change

753
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: nothing on the offense, just be a better play caller.

754
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, and I think there's

755
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: more of this discussion to be had because there's a

756
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: lot about expectations. I mean, the expectations coming into twenty

757
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: twenty where the forty burger offense and your defense was

758
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: going to see improvement. You got the forty burger offense.

759
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: You didn't necessarily see the improvement on the defensive side

760
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: of the football. And we're gonna talk about that coming back.

761
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: Who needs to see improvement for the needle to start

762
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: to turn and start to improve. Whenever it comes to

763
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: your expectations for twenty twenty one season, especially with the

764
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: five games remaining on the twenty twenty season, we'll be

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00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: right back. You're listening to the Cowboys Cross Talk on

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Speaker 1: from one oh five three the Fan here on Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Cross Talk final segment here and had some heated debate.

773
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to trading up, trading downstaying put, it

774
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Nate Newton's doing all of it whenever a

775
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: track comes around, and he's also pointing out the oatmeal.

776
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: For those of you going a break, Nate was pointing

777
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: out Mike's oatmeal in the back of his bantry. That's

778
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: what was being said as I was trying to help Mike.

779
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: Is that generic brand? Is it? You know? Yeah? Whatever? Kroger,

780
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: Tom Thum, Albertson, Albertsons, I know, sponsor the Dallas Cowboys.

781
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: Hey there you go. Hey, how about that? I like that,

782
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: and we are on the Dallas Cowboys Radio network. But Mike,

783
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the final five games of the

784
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: season and you're talking about upcoming against Baltimore, Cincinnati's on

785
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: the schedule, Philly, San Francisco, who do you need to

786
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: play better, either a unit or a specific player. Who

787
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: do you need to play better for your expectations for

788
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: the next season twenty twenty one to start to improve. Boy,

789
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Because you know what my answer

790
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: would be, but unfortunately he's hurt. Would be treyvon Dix. Yes,

791
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: just because the secondary scares the death out of me

792
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: going forward and he's hurt, so hopefully he can get

793
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: in a game or two if he gets healthy enough

794
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. But besides that are

795
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: our young defense. If tackles are gone. I guess it

796
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: would make me feel good if if Randy Gregory had

797
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: a really good, uh strong last five games, that you

798
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: could go into next year and look at Gregory and

799
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: Tank Lawrence and go I think we have something at

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00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: least that we can build around defensively, and so that

801
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: would be what it is. Because I am with Nate Offensively,

802
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: there's not much of an issue. It's just about health, yeah,

803
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: pretty much. Can the offensive line get healthy enough next

804
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: year and can Dat come back healthy? Uh to have

805
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: the offense be a premium offense, But to me it's

806
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm just scared to death of the secondary. And the

807
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: tough thing is, I don't know to name anybody in

808
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: the secondary because most likely they're all gonna be gone.

809
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: It's true because there's a lot of contracts up in

810
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: that that regard Barry you feel the same way. Oh yeah,

811
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm definitely feeling that that that talk. I mean, we

812
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: definitely need some help in the secondary our d tackles

813
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: as well. For me, I'm gonna go with the unit,

814
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with the decision makers. I'm gonna

815
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: say that, look, the O C, the DC, the big Man,

816
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: Big Mic, they gotta step it up a little bit

817
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: because some of these these decisions that have been made

818
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: these past couple of games, they've been head scratchers. I mean, look,

819
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: we talked about the fake punt, how they did a

820
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: double words on fourth and why exactly why we didn't

821
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: get into this, but the fourth and inches, I mean,

822
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta ninety million dollars running back back there.

823
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Speaker 1: Who if he falls forward, he's gonna get there, He's

824
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna get the inch. I mean it was less into

825
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: the ground, it was less than it was less than

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Speaker 1: a pointer finger um distance away from the first down,

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Speaker 1: and we decided to throw a comeback. Uh. It's just,

828
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, some of these decisions are just head scratchers.

829
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Speaker 1: And so for me overall, I just gotta I gotta

830
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: look at that. I gotta look at those guys as

831
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: a unit and say, look, man, we gotta we gotta

832
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: step it up. We gotta be better half faith in

833
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: your in your players out there to get their job

834
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: done without doing all this trickeration, all this other stuff

835
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: and just get the job done and get the dub.

836
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: So for me, I gotta go with this coaching staff,

837
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: I gotta step it up a little bit. You know,

838
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: it's a slight difference between creativity and just being smart sometime.

839
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying coaching cards. It's not smart, but creativity. Man,

840
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: it's not you know, run back fifteen yards to get

841
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: twenty five. That ain't a tivity that that's the chaos.

842
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, what I had, what I want to see

843
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: is every young guy that has been drafting the last

844
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: two years for the Dallas Cowboys to touch the field.

845
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: I want to know before I go into next year's draft,

846
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: what do I truly need. You will understand off You

847
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: will understand the defense better, You will understand the offense

848
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: better by playing. This is a play now league. It's

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Speaker 1: got like the NBA. You can't get better sitting on

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00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: the pine. You gotta I want to see these young

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00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: guys play. I want to see them perform. I want

852
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: to know. I don't want to know whether the kid

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00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: from Utah the outside. I do not want to know.

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00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: Next year, can't he play? We let Connor mcgovernment sit

855
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: on the bench for how many weeks? He started one game,

856
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: then we put him back on the bench, only to

857
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: find out that he could really help this team. Come on, now,

858
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: if you're this year and next year, has to be

859
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: those years where you play these young guys, because if

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00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: you don't, with your fan basic gonna say, well, hold

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00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: on now, we know I've been down his role and

862
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: it ain't changed in the last ten years, now, eleven,

863
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Speaker 1: now twelve. We draft guys and don't play them in

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Speaker 1: the first, second, and third round. How do you do

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Speaker 1: that in today's NFL? Mike, do you think that's on

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff in terms of the lack of maybe

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Speaker 1: progression that they've seen. I mean, like we talked about

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson earlier, you want to see the same kind

869
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: of projection from young coaches and Kellen Moore you can

870
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: maybe say that he's grown a little bit, but there

871
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: are other times when they's kind of had some lapses

872
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: and maybe personnel is a part of that. Well, I

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00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: can give them a major excuse this year because there

874
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a real training camp and just as a person

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00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: that gets to go out to Oxnard and watch and

876
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: watch the young guys, they're making a lot of mistakes

877
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: early in training camp and they're trying to learn as

878
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: fast as they can, and you didn't really get that

879
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: this year. They didn't get maybe the practice game. So

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving them an excuse of maybe they just felt

881
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: as a coaching staff at times uncomfortable because they didn't

882
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: get the reps in that they wanted in practice. And

883
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: that also Nate. Third thing two is they did put

884
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: digs out there. The second round pick got hurt. They

885
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: did have Beatich out there when he could play, he

886
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: got hurt. They did have Gallimore, the third round pick

887
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 1: out there after they released on Terry Poe and kind

888
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: of and then he got so the second third, fourth

889
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: round pick all got hurt. And then Robinson, the kid

890
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: from Tulsa. I haven't seen him much. I know he's

891
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: getting to play a little bit now, and I would

892
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: say great if we were six and five, but we're

893
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: haven't won the third game yet. Yeah, three and whatever,

894
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: So I need to see once again every guy and

895
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: what I need more importantly than anybody that I didn't

896
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: want to say this because they everybody know how I

897
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: feel about this guy. I need to see Zeke do it.

898
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: I need to see zee I'm with you on that

899
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: one now and everybody I get rolled to death on

900
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: my podcast every day about Zeke. I need to see

901
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: him do it. I'm with you on that because I'm

902
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: one of the people that's sitting there saying, you know,

903
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: we need to get we need to get him to touches.

904
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: He needs to get more than ten touches in one game.

905
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: But when you're out there, you know, fumbling five times,

906
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: you're a part of multiple turnovers, it's kind of hard

907
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: to get you to Rob Man. Yeah, I need to

908
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: see it. Man, who's one guy that you want to

909
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: see Mike Boy. I guess I'll go a little bit

910
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: opposite then Zeke. And I'm not saying he's maybe a starter.

911
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: I think he's a great changeup is Tony Pollard when

912
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: he has hit the field, has hit some home runs,

913
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Speaker 1: and I don't believe Zeke can hit home runs anymore.

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Speaker 1: What I believe is Zeke gets you first downs and

915
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: he can't. To me, he can't make secondary guys miss

916
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: or he can't run through them and keep his balance.

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Speaker 1: What he does is what he's great is is he

918
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: bullies them into two to four extra yards after contact.

919
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: But Tony Pollard can just outrun you, or he can

920
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: just put a little move on you and then he's

921
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: buy you. So I just wonder if we're looking for

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Speaker 1: a little bit of home run. I'm not saying to

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Speaker 1: sit Zeke at all. What I'm saying is is maybe

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00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: it should be more of a sixty five thirty five

925
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: type of the deal, like percentage wise. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: the best way to look at that is the Minnesota

927
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: game where Zeke kind of wore down that front seven

928
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Speaker 1: and continue just pounding Minnesota and having the Vikings kind

929
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Speaker 1: of on the back of their heels, and then Tony

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: Poulard and the changeup came and there was the home

931
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: run ball that Mike you just talked about. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's something that the Cowboys certainly could utilize. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it here for us here on Cowboys Crosstalk. Mike,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us and hopping on with us.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to do another three hours. I think the

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Speaker 1: nosebleed seats would have something to talk about that, but

937
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Speaker 1: for Nate Newton, for Barry Church. I'm Kyle Yomen saying

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Speaker 1: thank you to everyone involved with the show today. This

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Speaker 1: has been Dallas Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys

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