1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Today we've got another exciting mini episode of Mission Implausible. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: John Zeifer out on Bail, is with us today at 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: a Big Tree. Rachel Harner has been a huge part 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: of this show, and for the first time we're introducing 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: her vocally onto the show. Rachel, nice to have you. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, I'm excited to be here. 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: And today we're going to go to a country near 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: and dear to my heart, one that has glockenspiels and 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: broughtwurst to Germany. And this is a conspiracy theory that 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I think just trips right off your tongue. This is 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: the Reichsberger alfie Glungs beave Gungs for standing Gungs forsuchsmas Nam. 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Thing as everybody is aware. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 3: Is that the thing where the trial this week is. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: It is John exactly right. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: Let me outline what's happening and then maybe you can 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: give us some context. So this week there's three big 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: trials in Germany against a group of far right conspiracists. 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: We're actually planning an armed insurrection to overthrow German government. 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: Right and the group apparently planned a coup. Chancellor Olof 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: Schultz and his ministers would be tied up and presented 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: on national television to convince the public of regime change. 22 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: And among their very detailed plans was a quote execution 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: list which included the Chancellor. And the head of this 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: group is a self proclaimed aristocratic businessman, Prince Bruce, so 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: he would be the new leader of this German state. 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: And the group refuses to accept the idea of the 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: modern German state, which they contend is actually a corporation 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: run by shadowy bureaucrats of a deep state. Apparently they're 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 3: well organized, they have lots of weapons. Many people in 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 3: the groups are like elements of q andon UFO believers. 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: They were serious. There were like over three hundred of them, 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: their sympathizers twenty three thousand people included a judge, it concluded, 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: a member of parliament, members of the nobility. 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: Why do these guys want to do this coup. 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: So they lose World War One? And when they're signing 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: the documents in Versailles in that little train car, apparently 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: they didn't fill in all the documents correctly and so 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: they got rid of Kaiservilhelm. But this Heinrich the thirteenth, 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: he's looked at this and said, ah, they didn't take 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: all the boxes. Therefore, the monarchy still exists. Right. Therefore, 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Hitler's third Reich and the subsequent German government none of 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: them has a legal basis on which to stand. Therefore, 43 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: the German Reich of eighteen seventy one still exists, which 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: means all the royal guys like him, they all get 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: their land back and their peasants. You know, they had 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: a number of guns, but they also had three hundred 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: and eighty swords, which I thought sort of you know, 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: heavy swords for overthrowing governments was sort of a thing 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: of the past. They also reached out to the Russian 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: government and apparently there was a series of meetings where 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Prince Royce he was in the Russian embassy telling the 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Russians that he was going to take over the government. 53 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: And when he did, he said that quote, the German 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: wolf and the Russian bear would be unstoppable. They would 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: carve Europe up between them. 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: I want to know more about this King Russ Heinrich 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: the thirteenth guy. Is he a real aristocrat? Who put 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: him in charge? Who gave him this title? 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: He did want to run the new government, But basically 60 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: what he wants is he wants his old kingdom back 61 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: in Thuringia, which is a German federal state. 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: So do these guys are they Hitler fans or do 63 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: they want to go back to pre Hitler. 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: They want to go back to pre Hitler. They're all 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: into the anti Semitic stuff. But now if Hitler comes in, 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: and that means they still lose their land. 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: So this guy is this prince, what right does he 68 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: have to be the head? Like I would just assume 69 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: if the monarchy still existed, there is probably somebody who 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: would be the Kaiser, and it's probably not this dude. 71 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: Yet there are people from the Vittelsbach family, but apparently 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: they're not all that interested in like going to prison 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: or trying to get their ancestral lands back. I think 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: it sort of went down like seven hundred royal guys 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: until they finally got to him and he's like, sure, 76 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: I'll do it. 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: I have a feeling. Tell me if I'm wrong, But 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: I have a feeling most of these people are men. 79 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: No, the number two right behind Heinrich, the thirteen is 80 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: a medical doctor and she's the one who can read 81 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the future through eggs. And then they've got like a 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: bunch of people they've got a parliamentary deputy, they've got 83 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: a judge. Oh, the Minister of Defense is he's qualified 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: to do this because he's a martial artist. 85 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: So, Jerry, how do you know how to pronounce all 86 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: these long words? And how do you know so much 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: about Germany? 88 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty years of my life I spent trying to 89 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: like figure out that friggin language. Yeah. So I was 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: a waiter in a beer garden, I worked on a 91 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: ski lift, I did construction, and then you know, I 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: had several tours with the agency in Germany. It's a 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: great place full of great people, and most of them 94 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: are not conspiracy theorists. 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: When these trials happen, does all of the stuff in 96 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: the trial become public because it will be interesting to see, 97 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: at least for me, this issue about dealing with Russia. 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: How much did Russia participate? Because the Russians are looking 99 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: to suppor fringe groups, violent groups on the left or 100 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: right anywhere in Europe or the United States for that matter, 101 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: to create chaos and sort of weaken them up. 102 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, as you know, John, the far right party in Germany, 103 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: the AfD, has very close connections with Russia and they've 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: been caught. The Russian government has been funneling money into 105 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: them for quite some time. 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: I wonder what the Russians think about Heinrich the thirteenth 107 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: trying to take over part of their territory. 108 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was going to ask John. Let's 109 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: just pretend CIA gets the report from the Russian guy 110 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: that Prince Heinrich talked to, and he says, hey, me 111 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: and three hundred guys, we got all these swords. We're 112 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: going to take over the German government. You know, what 113 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: do you think the Russian would say? Fine? Like, what 114 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: does he care? Right, It's like it just causes disturbances. 115 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: So, Jerry, it sounds like these guys were really well organized. 116 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah they're German, of course they're well organized. 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: So how did these guys get caught? How did this 118 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: all unravel so fast? 119 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. I think they are saying it 120 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: was uncovered by the security services because these guys were 121 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: in touch with the Russians Russian embassy and downtown Berlin. 122 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: And because the far right political party the AfD, including 123 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: a parliamentary member a member of their congress, was involved 124 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: in it. You know that either the Germans or even 125 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: conceivably the CIA, if we could have bumped into this 126 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: and tipped the Germans off as to like how the 127 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: trial is going to turn out. The people that they've 128 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: got now none of them are repentant. All they're saying 129 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: that this trial is completely meaningless because the judge and 130 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: the laws applicable here aren't valid. I guess they would 131 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: want to be tried under eighteen seventy one laws right 132 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: from the German Reich in the Kaiservillhelm the second. But 133 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: we do have in the US we have the Sovereign 134 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Citizens movement, where people simply say that like the US 135 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: government is no longer valid. They refuse to have driver's licenses. 136 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: I think Rachel where you grew up, they've got people 137 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: that belong to the Sovereign Citizens movement. 138 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: We have lots of people who live off the grid, 139 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: refuse to pay taxes. If they get pulled over, they 140 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: just say, you can't touch me. I'm not a citizen 141 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: of the United States. I'm a citizen of my own country. 142 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: My person is in itself a country. 143 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: I think the Russians they really see Germany as one 144 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: of the places that's most important to them because Germany 145 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: was prior to the invading Ukraine, Germany was their biggest 146 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: trade partner by. 147 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: Far, and they've been using dirty money for years and 148 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: years to try to suborn senior Germans and former German 149 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: chancellors and former German government officials. You know, we're using 150 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: you know, in the oil business and other things. And 151 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: so they've had some success with that, right, But the 152 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: Russians have been at war with us for well over 153 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: a decade if we just haven't realized that they've been 154 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: at war with us, And at some point we better 155 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: figure that out, because they're not giving up. Join us 156 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: next week when our guests will be Mark Zaid, a 157 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: national security lawyer, and we're going to be talking about 158 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: the deep state, a place that Jerry and I know 159 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: very well because we are supposed deep staters. So join 160 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: us next week on Mission Implausible pu