WEBVTT - Squirrels, Ahoy!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry is here. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest episodes will ever do. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm concerned. Squirrels. I really wanted squirrels. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing that all day. It's wonderful. That is so wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>It is that song isn't But you know, uh yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go back and listen to BC Boys, you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they give them a long way though, and we're announcing

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. Yeah for sure. Um, so we're talking not

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<v Speaker 1>about the BC Boys. Surprisingly, we're talking about squirrels in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. It's squirrels. Every evening. It's squirrels. Squirrels to syllables, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care however you want to say it the

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<v Speaker 1>little squirrel sure or Boston I guess probably they say

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<v Speaker 1>it similarly as well. But if you want to get fancy,

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<v Speaker 1>you can bust out their Latin name. They're members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Road in Order, but for their family, their scure

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<v Speaker 1>a day, Secura day. Nope, security day. I look this

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<v Speaker 1>one up, all right, Sierra die like my more. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>did you just toot on my renovation? Yeah, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it was correct? Did you give me a bronx cheer? How?

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<v Speaker 1>How is it? Siura die? Well? Let me do the

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<v Speaker 1>person online? Sierra die okay? Is that Emma who said that?

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<v Speaker 1>Or Sierra Day was another? But I think we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>from people that d A E. S die okay? And

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Um, if that's what it's called, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call them squirrels from now on. But there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>exactly three hundred species of squirrels, and it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to wrap your head around because usually if

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<v Speaker 1>you live in a place with squirrels, meaning you live

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<v Speaker 1>on a continent outside of Antarctica, yeah, like everywhere, Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably a lot of squirrels living around you, and

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<v Speaker 1>they probably all look basically exactly alike, because it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like when they fill an ecological niche, brother, they fill

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<v Speaker 1>it and there's not much room for competing species, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like from my experience. Yeah, I mean there are

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<v Speaker 1>And who helped us with this was this? This is

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<v Speaker 1>a grabster. Yeah, so grabs your points out that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find mountain squirrels and city squirrels and forest

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels and jungle squirrels and desert squirrels. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels in Alaska that hibernate with the lowest body temperature

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<v Speaker 1>of any mammal, that have body temperatures below freezing at times.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go to Africa and find one of the

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<v Speaker 1>cutest squirrels, the African pigmies squirrel, which is as small

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<v Speaker 1>as the tiny little mouse. Where you can go to

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<v Speaker 1>Bhutan and find the giant flying squirrel of Bhutan that

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<v Speaker 1>with their head and body and is over two ft long.

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<v Speaker 1>With that tail, they're huge, no two ft long. Without

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<v Speaker 1>the tail stressing they're distressingly large. Yeah, because the squirrel

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<v Speaker 1>tail will get into this, but that's one of their

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<v Speaker 1>signature features generally, although depending on the species, because there

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<v Speaker 1>are three hundred species, like you said, more than are

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<v Speaker 1>almost three, some of those tails are a little diminished.

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<v Speaker 1>But usually when you think squirrel, you think of that

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<v Speaker 1>big bushy tail. Yeah, and not only when you think

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<v Speaker 1>of squirrel you think of the tail. But the Greeks themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody decided that a Greek term would make sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>scurrios or scurios, which roughly means something like shadow tail

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<v Speaker 1>ed says shady Butt, also saw shadow tail, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a reference to how squirrels sometimes high in the shadow

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<v Speaker 1>cast by their own tail. It's pretty pretty clever, but

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel is usually kind of the bushy tail of

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel is what makes a squirrel of squirrel. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the other things that really differentiates it from other

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<v Speaker 1>rodents is the way that its jaw and muscle are

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<v Speaker 1>attached to its skull. There's actually a name for it,

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<v Speaker 1>sirio morphous zygo massoteric system. They look at you hooked

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<v Speaker 1>on phonics works for me. You even recorded the new pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 1>You worked it right in there with a syria die

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<v Speaker 1>I adapted, Yeah, because you should have heard it before

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<v Speaker 1>when I was work shopping it. That was the first take. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not lying, so um so uh. Those are two

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<v Speaker 1>things that really kind of differentiates squirrels. But as we've

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<v Speaker 1>really um gotten better and better at at taxonomy with

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<v Speaker 1>the introduction of UM genome mapping, we can see like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this animal that doesn't look anything like this animal is

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<v Speaker 1>actually really closely related and with as with just about

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<v Speaker 1>every other animal we've studied using modern genetic m taxonomy,

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<v Speaker 1>UM squirrels are. Our understanding of squirrels has really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of changed shape of who's related to whom, who's descended

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<v Speaker 1>from who. But there's there. We're kind of going to

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<v Speaker 1>go the old school way, which is differentiating them based

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<v Speaker 1>on their habitat and their behavior. So there's three groups

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<v Speaker 1>of squirrels that we're going to cover, even though there's

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<v Speaker 1>technically five subfamilies now ground squirrels, tree squirrels, and flying squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we go any further, I officially dedicate this

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<v Speaker 1>episode to Momo, one of the great lovers of squirrels

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, who changed changed me in my heart

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<v Speaker 1>towards squirrels. I used to be a squirrel hatter, chuck squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember the bird feeder Momo pointed out to me, said, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels are great. I'm going to teach you to love them.

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<v Speaker 1>And she did. Yeah, dogs and squirrels. It's what was

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<v Speaker 1>the Disney It was either Pixar Disney had animated movie

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<v Speaker 1>where the dog would just stop and go squirrel anytime

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<v Speaker 1>there's a squirrel. I can't remember which one it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. It wasn't that long ago. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we move on, to ground squirrels. Uh. It is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun to learn that because of that DNA analysis

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<v Speaker 1>that we now have at our fingertips and fossil evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that squirrels uh went to western North America

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<v Speaker 1>forty million years ago because squirrels like to get around.

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<v Speaker 1>As we will see, they crossed a land bridge to

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<v Speaker 1>Eurasia about ten million years after that, and then as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as they could, as soon as Eurasia met up

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<v Speaker 1>with Africa about twenty million years ago, they went all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in Africa now too. Because squirrels like to get around.

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<v Speaker 1>They as you will see. Um, well we'll just tease

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<v Speaker 1>that and say, squirrels like to get around. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you put one tree next to another, squirrel is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go from tree a treat, but another tree is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go the next tree. And if you put trees

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<v Speaker 1>all the way across one continent to another, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to micrate. That's just what they do, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they did. But if I thought I loved squirrels before,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I know that they're actually native from thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five million years back to North America, I just think

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's just the tops. Yeah, And we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it before when you were having your bird feeder issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, Atlanta is a city in the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have tons and tons and tons of squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of everywhere along the East Coast does, but Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>just has a lot of squirrels. And as I was reading,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from my upstairs office, there's a window not

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of my face but sort of above me,

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<v Speaker 1>and are huge, big, beautiful oak in our front yard.

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<v Speaker 1>Um doing this on squirrels. I just look up for

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<v Speaker 1>a second and I see four squirrels running around that

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<v Speaker 1>tree together, playing like circling it like a barber pole.

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<v Speaker 1>I take my daughter to school this morning and count

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrels that I see on the way. I counted

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two squirrels that I just saw on a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve minute car ride. You hit one of them there,

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<v Speaker 1>I have before. It's the worst thing ever. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere in Atlanta. And it hit me a while ago

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<v Speaker 1>about how easy it is living here, just or anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>where there's a lot of squirrels, just to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>be like, yeah, the squirrels. But it kind of hit

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<v Speaker 1>me like how crazy it is that there are these

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<v Speaker 1>little mammals. They're not hiding in holes generally like mice

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Like, they're just out all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place at all times. Were surrounded by these little mammals. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>out and proud. And if you come close too close

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<v Speaker 1>to one of their trees when you're walking by and

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel doesn't like it, he's gonna sit there or

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<v Speaker 1>she uh and chatter at you and basically tell you

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<v Speaker 1>to beat it, you punk, get away from my tree.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how. That's one of the great lovable things about squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>They have such huge personalities, just so great. Chuck. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>my famous squirrel attack not too long ago, and that

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<v Speaker 1>when I went outside on I got it on my

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<v Speaker 1>doorbell camera and that squirrel leaped through the air and

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<v Speaker 1>hit me in the leg. It was a complete accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I don't think the squirrel was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill me, but you don't know. They're just they're all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place. We're gonna get to all the fun

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about the black squirrels of New York and why

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels stop in the middle of the road when they

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<v Speaker 1>go to across the street. Like there we found reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for all this stuff, which I love. It's not that

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels are dumb, and we're going to reveal all that

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. Okay, I'm a little excited. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little worked up. I know it's a ted early, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're so squirrel positive that, I mean, it's a great

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<v Speaker 1>way to put it. Chuck, all right, so are we

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<v Speaker 1>taking a break? I say, all right, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>calm down too, And I guarantee you I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>like blow my nose in the other room. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see a squirrel. I'll be right back, all right, Chuck. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as promised, we're gonna break squirrels down into three groups crown, tree, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>flying or aerial um. And I proposed that we start

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<v Speaker 1>with the ground squirrel, many species of which you probably

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<v Speaker 1>not you, but I mean you, dear listener, and me

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<v Speaker 1>I'll include too. Didn't realize we're actual squirrels like groundhog,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck did not know that was a squirrel, chipmunk. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a feeling that might be a squirrel. Gosh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>so great too. What about a groundhog? You already said groundhog?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I? Okay? In a list of four things, I'm swirling,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm swirling still if my love is Yeah, well that's

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<v Speaker 1>what was coming out of my mouth. Next, Yeah, prairie

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<v Speaker 1>dog didn't know what about that mere cat? I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that. Well, that's because they're not but prairie dogs, chipmunks,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, what was the other one? Mormons? Yeah, Marmattan

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<v Speaker 1>brought them in and groundhogs. Those are all ground squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>They're squirrels friends, um, and that makes them pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the reasons why they you wouldn't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're squirrels is because and a lot of those species

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<v Speaker 1>they lack that characteristic bushy tail. But then also they

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<v Speaker 1>live almost a totally different life from their tree dwelling

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<v Speaker 1>more famous cousins. Yeah. I mean they might climb a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>but generally you're not going to see a groundhogger prairie

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<v Speaker 1>dog up in the tree if they knew, if they

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<v Speaker 1>need to, you know, for a brief time, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find food or something or uh like on

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<v Speaker 1>the run from something trying to kill it, they might

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<v Speaker 1>go up in a tree, but they generally hang out

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, hence the name. They love their rocky terrain. Uh. Chipmunks,

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<v Speaker 1>for speaking for them, are pretty solitary unless they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to reproduce. But uh, I know that you've found some stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it on the prairie dogs that that have their

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<v Speaker 1>big families and colonies. Yeah, I mean that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the main characteristics of of ground squirrels in general, aside

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<v Speaker 1>from a couple, but that they're much more communal than

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<v Speaker 1>tree squirrels, and in particular, the largest town a prairie

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<v Speaker 1>dog town is what they're called the largest prairie dog

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<v Speaker 1>town on record is in Texas, because of course everything

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<v Speaker 1>is bigger there, but there was a colony of black

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<v Speaker 1>tailed prairie dogs and this town, Chuck, stretched a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>miles wide by two hundred and fifty miles long and

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<v Speaker 1>contained four hundred million prairie dogs. Again, crownd squirrels all

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<v Speaker 1>living in this kind of large community. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like a Chinese mega city or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Time's tend yea. So are these the ones that tend

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<v Speaker 1>to stay uh grouped with their own sex? Uh No,

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<v Speaker 1>those tend to be either tree squirrels or flying squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>These are more the um because they live in in

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<v Speaker 1>communal groups and kinship is a big deal. Ground squirrels,

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<v Speaker 1>like prairie dogs, tend to have a really good ability

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<v Speaker 1>to send to smell the scent of other ground squirrels,

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<v Speaker 1>so they can tell, like who's a blood relation who's not.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've done studies to see, you know, if a

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<v Speaker 1>like if a ground squirrel, they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>really sophisticated calls too, because they're alerting others to the

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<v Speaker 1>presence of a rattlesneak or a hawk or something. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're really talkative and they have a lot of sophisticated

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<v Speaker 1>different communication um and they found that, uh, like a

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<v Speaker 1>prairie dog that will stand up and and take the

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<v Speaker 1>time to risk its own life to alert others, it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually alerting the others that it's alerting are actually related

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<v Speaker 1>by blood, and the groundhog or the prairie dog knows

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<v Speaker 1>this because it can smell it's blood relations among all

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<v Speaker 1>these other you know, extended family members in the town.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not much cuter than a squirrel sitting up on

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<v Speaker 1>its rear haunches, whether it's I mean, obviously those prairie dogs,

0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, they do it for a living, but even

0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.480
<v Speaker 1>our eastern gray squirrels sit upon those back legs. If

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<v Speaker 1>they want to work a nut with their little front

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<v Speaker 1>pop ads. Yeah, or a chipmunk on its back legs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's doesn't get much cuter as little busy hands. Goodness me. Yeah, alright,

0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.080
<v Speaker 1>so we can move on to our tree squirrel. This

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<v Speaker 1>is they're known as our boreal squirrels, obviously because they

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<v Speaker 1>are tree squirrels. And this is when you're talking your

0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.960
<v Speaker 1>eastern gray squirrel. This is not a groundhog. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a prairie dog. This is your died in the wool,

0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 1>cute little fluffy tailed sort of you know, they're called gray,

0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.200
<v Speaker 1>but they're sort of a light brownish color gener only,

0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.680
<v Speaker 1>although the colors do range, as we'll see. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are the ones that you're gonna find all over Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>jumping around, climbing around, leaping it podcasters in their front lawn. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They spend most of the time. Uh. I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>see him on the ground plenty. But they live in trees.

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<v Speaker 1>They nest in trees called Drey's or uh Drey's or

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<v Speaker 1>Drey's spelled within a year in a right. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>you probably if you've ever looked up and seen a

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<v Speaker 1>massive like sticks and twigs in a leafless tree in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of winter. You're looking at a squirrel's nest

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<v Speaker 1>called it dre um, and this is where you were

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<v Speaker 1>you were asking about them um staying in like same

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<v Speaker 1>sex groups apparently in the winter. Um. Even though the

0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.680
<v Speaker 1>tree squirrel does not live in a communal society like

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<v Speaker 1>a ground squirrel does, it's they're still social. They still

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<v Speaker 1>interact with one another. They play, they chase, they chase

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<v Speaker 1>one another off. They like mate. Um. But when gets

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<v Speaker 1>really cold, tree squirrels will um kind of group their

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<v Speaker 1>heat together by staying in a drey communally up to

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty members. Um. Yeah, it is very adorable. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do a little exercise here real quick, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to use your imagination. Imagine a very

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<v Speaker 1>cold winter day, the winds blowing, snows being carried on

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<v Speaker 1>the wind, and it's passing by just outside a woodpecker hole,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're inside that woodpecker hole, and it's dark. The

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<v Speaker 1>light is very very faint because it's it's a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an overcast sunny day to begin with. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>also inside a tree, in an old woodpecker hole, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's lined with a bunch of different leaves, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>half a dozen or so squirrels all kind of snuggled together, sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>sharing their warmth as the winter day passes by outside

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<v Speaker 1>and they snooze an afternoon away fat on acorns that

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<v Speaker 1>they all just ate. Boy, isn't that amazing? Almost fell

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<v Speaker 1>asleep here, real Abert Frost, my friend, Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to think Robert Redford crossed with Robert cross

0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 1>but well, you know Robert Redford if you look in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror, but Robert Frost. When you pick a bin

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<v Speaker 1>up with the touch of Robert Gooley, if you sang it, surely,

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<v Speaker 1>uh oh man, that really did almost put me to sleep. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite nice. I love that scene. So here's a

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<v Speaker 1>little fun adaptation that squirrels have. If you see a

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<v Speaker 1>tree squirrel running down a tree face first with uh,

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<v Speaker 1>with little uh resistance, just like it was made to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, it's because it is. And they have those

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<v Speaker 1>little claws of course that really helps. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look closely, or if you look up a picture rather

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<v Speaker 1>and you see like a still image, you will notice

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<v Speaker 1>that they have the ability to and Ed says, they

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<v Speaker 1>can turn their feet around. They really kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>turn their whole back legs around backwards to where those

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<v Speaker 1>claws are gripping on the way down, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>they're you know, it's like the perfect adaptation to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to run up and down a tree. So, um,

0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.679
<v Speaker 1>have you ever watched one do that up close? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>So any time I've seen that there, if you look

0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 1>their legs, because they're turned around, it kicks kind of

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<v Speaker 1>their elbows out a little bit and though they climb down,

0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.359
<v Speaker 1>it looks a little different. And I've noticed that it

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<v Speaker 1>triggers the part of my lizard brain that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>spider alert. It's like that comes that it's it's triggered

0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.520
<v Speaker 1>by that. So it's like a giant, furry spider is

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<v Speaker 1>coming down to some little part of my brain that

0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>sends off an alarm and it's really off putting sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>until I you know, the larger part, the executive functioning

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<v Speaker 1>part of my brain is like it's a squirrel, don't worry,

0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.359
<v Speaker 1>But there's that one just zap of. Like this is

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<v Speaker 1>weird and scary for a second, but it happens to

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<v Speaker 1>me from time to time when they come down the

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<v Speaker 1>tree like that. Well, it can be a little startling,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're going to take out the trash

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<v Speaker 1>or something. And your trash can is next to a

0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.879
<v Speaker 1>big live oak like ours. And there are two or

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<v Speaker 1>more squirrels that are They seem like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. They seems like I have a beef

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<v Speaker 1>with one another. But maybe they're just playing chase. But

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<v Speaker 1>when they're really boogieing up and down and around a

0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.480
<v Speaker 1>tree right as you walk upon it is it can

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit like, Oh, okay, I read that

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.600
<v Speaker 1>when one was chasing the other. Um, it's a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the mating ritual. Okay, So that's that's embarrassing for them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know if that's across the board,

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<v Speaker 1>but I saw that in at least one place, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>not like knowing that. Um. Here's another cool thing about squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>They have all kinds of squirrels have scent glands, and

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on the species where that scent gland is located.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be uh, near their little bum hole. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be near their mouth in the corners of their mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>can be on their back. But in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>the tree squirrel, um, they have their scent glands on

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<v Speaker 1>their feet and sweat glands on the bottom of their feet,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are a squirrel that berries there uh their

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<v Speaker 1>food over large large areas sometimes like up to acres

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<v Speaker 1>can be their habitat where they're bearing and hiding food.

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<v Speaker 1>And they are literally every time they walk to bury something,

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>they're leaving a little scent trail that they can go

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<v Speaker 1>back and pick up. Ideally, but it's not a perfect system.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they will lose stuff and not be able to

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<v Speaker 1>go back. But what they have then done is planted

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<v Speaker 1>a tree, yeah, which brings up their huge ecological role um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like planting new forests, like keeping forests healthy

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<v Speaker 1>by forgetting about nuts. And the nut is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>seed and it grows into a new tree that the

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<v Speaker 1>squirrel helped move away from the tree. It's amazing splaining

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.080
<v Speaker 1>it's range. They're known as the gardeners of the forest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And we taught we did a whole short stuff on

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.440
<v Speaker 1>squirrels bearing nuts, and I remember one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that came up was, um, there was a study that

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<v Speaker 1>found that if they if they know they're being watched

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<v Speaker 1>by another squirrel, they'll fake dig a hole and then

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<v Speaker 1>won't drop the nut in it. And then we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else and mislead a squirrel. It's that they think

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<v Speaker 1>is watching them. Yeah, they'll look around first and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>did anyone seen that? Yeah? I think I'm good Todd

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.680
<v Speaker 1>was watching. I better not drop the nut in this hole.

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<v Speaker 1>He he'll come along. Uh. So that's what the the

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, not flying, but the tree squirrels. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>they use their scent. The ground squirrels, we should say,

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<v Speaker 1>mainly use their scent glands to mark their territory. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because they're all about their clan and their colony,

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of mark their territory and find out if

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<v Speaker 1>someone is a part of their clan. Yeah. And then also, um,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as scents go, I saw some somewhere that

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<v Speaker 1>some kinds of ground squirrels that are prey to rattlesnakes

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<v Speaker 1>will actually find shed rattlesnake skin rub it on themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll chew it up and rub it on themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>give themselves a rattlesnake scent to throw off rattlesnakes. They

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<v Speaker 1>camouflaged their scent. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>they ever wear it and just like fashion a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of holes and stick their arms through. Yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 1>bragged that they killed it. Yeah. Have you, man, I

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't even mention this. Yeah, I'm gonna mention it, have

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>you because it is it is roadkill. But have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen the pictures of the squirrel road kill with

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<v Speaker 1>a little G I Joe Action figures? No, just look

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<v Speaker 1>it up. I can. They aren't squirrels that someone killed.

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it's someone will take a roadkill picture of a

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<v Speaker 1>squirrel and they'll take the little G I. Joe figures

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<v Speaker 1>as if they were big game hunters, and they'll have

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<v Speaker 1>their guns, and they'll have like one leg up on

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel's head as if it was their trophy. And

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the squirrel looks positively giant next to the Little Action figures.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of funny that one out. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to encourage people. Maybe I shouldn't have even said anything. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're encouraging people to like swerve

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<v Speaker 1>onto a squirrel, you know, or kill a squirrel to

0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.439
<v Speaker 1>do that. But maybe just look it up on the

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<v Speaker 1>internet if you want to see that. Don't recreate it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you kill a squirrel and we find out about it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming to your house, I know, with a ghost

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<v Speaker 1>of that squirrel. Yeah, that will introduce to your attic

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<v Speaker 1>you so have we moved on to flying squirrels yet, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it. Those are you know the old story

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 1>when we had one growing up for a little while. Uh,

0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you probably don't remember, but my uncle gave us his

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>flying squirrel to watch for a while, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>leap from the curtains on the other side of the

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.439
<v Speaker 1>room onto my shoulder. And then when we went out

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.199
<v Speaker 1>of town, apparently they said the squirrel got out. But

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<v Speaker 1>now that I'm adult, I realized that the cat ate

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the squirrel. Oh man, yeah, just to recap that childhood trauma.

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.520
<v Speaker 1>That's wow. But for a little while, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>flying squirrel in our home for a brief shining moment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the upshot. So a flying squirrel, and I thought this.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they were fairly rare. Um. Apparently they're as

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<v Speaker 1>common as tree squirrels in some places. The reason that

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you think they're rare is because they're nocturnal, so we're

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>usually sleeping when they're out and about. I love thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about those things just flying around all night. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>flying is right, man, I saw Ed says the thing

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<v Speaker 1>glide up to aft. I saw three hundred in some cases.

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 1>And that's what they're doing. They're gliding. They're not flying.

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 1>They have no means of like propulsion. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>a skin flap. They've evolved the skin flap that is, um,

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you know the bat suit that people like you know

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>skydive with. That's that is based basically on the flying

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>squirrels membranes between its um front legs and hind legs.

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Um that it can you know, spread out when it

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 1>jumps and it just catches the air and they can

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<v Speaker 1>move it this way and that and use their tail

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<v Speaker 1>as a rudder and go a hundred fifty feet in

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>a pretty purposeful direction to Did you say what the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the flap was? No? Do you want to now?

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<v Speaker 1>I probably screwed it. I'm gonna go with a potagium.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, had a gi um. I wonder what they

0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 1>call that in the in the flying suit bit is

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<v Speaker 1>extreme flying suit bizz? I don't know, and I think

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.640
<v Speaker 1>they call him bat suits, but that's that's a misnomer.

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>If you ask me that, I gotta say, I mean,

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into any of that stuff. I would never

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>do it. But those videos are amazing, and it's is

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<v Speaker 1>it closes humans have come I think to flying it.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like agreed, Yeah, I would have to have

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<v Speaker 1>probably a lobotomy to um to actually try that. It

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<v Speaker 1>would take that radical of a personality change for me

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 1>to try it well. And I mean sure that kind

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of thing that's the most extreme, like years and years

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>of training, Yes, skydiving training and stuff like that, you know,

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 1>like jump into a bat suit. No, no, no, definitely not.

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>But even if you do, you know, once you get

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.479
<v Speaker 1>to that point, like I can't imagine how dangerous that is.

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you smack into something you're going really fast, Yeah, yeah,

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>your toast. Yeah, and that happens sadly. But I get

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the impression that it's the rush is worth the risk,

0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>that's right. Uh. And speaking of risk, there are endangered

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>flying squirrels, the Carolina Northern flying squirrel. And we talked

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about these little land bridges that are

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>starting to pop up in the United States over overpasses

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and and freeway crossings. And I just read today there's

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>one in in l A that's opening up that's like

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and sixty ft wide. I can't remember the

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>name of it's named after someone, and to allow cougars

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know, mountain lions to pass and all kinds

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 1>of animals. And they're using you know, they have done studies,

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>uh four squirrels and that they found tagged like radio

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>tag squirrels are foraging and building on the other side

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 1>of these massive freeways thanks to these bridges. Like it's

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>been proven to work. Yeah, for sure. I think it's

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>called the Robert Evans Memorial Animal Land Bridge. Baby. Yeah,

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:59.239
<v Speaker 1>if only so. Um. That actually kind of leads us

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to a quote I ran across chuck um because if

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you put like I was saying, if you can kind

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>of connect the tree to another tree, which really ties

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>into that rewilding episode because you're you're using you're connecting

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>core to core via corridor basically is what they're doing

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>with that. Um that there was an old saying that

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>before well not too long ago, I think in into

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century, maybe even early nineteenth century, that there

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>was so many chestnut trees in North America that a

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 1>squirrel could make it from Maine to Georgia without ever

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 1>touching the ground. Yeah, what do we cover that in?

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Was it? I don't remember I remember that factoy that's

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a great one. So, um, it really kind of goes

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to show like there there used to be a lot

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>more forest in the United States, but there were also

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot more squirrels because there's a there's a positive

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>correlation between masts producing trees which are um chestnut, beech

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>oak um trees that produced nuts, the squirrels and other

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>um forest animals eat um, and the number and population

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>density of squirrels in an area you have a lot

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of mass producing trees, you're going to have a lot

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of squirrels because again, they fill their ecological niche to

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 1>basically bursting. Yeah, and they you know, bursting with food

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>because uh, they are opportunistic eaters is what Ed says.

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 1>And that's a pretty good way to say it. Because

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>while they well, obviously if they can get fruit or

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>nuts and seeds, that's the stock of their diet. But

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>they will eat whatever keeps them alive. They will eat

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>insects and fungus and they actually spread fungus, which is great. Uh,

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>they eat roots, they have they have found little tiny

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>eggs and little tiny birds and little tiny lizards in

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the guts of squirrels. Uh, so they you know, technically

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>are omnivores um, which is just to say squirrels are remarkable.

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>That's staying alive, and they will eat your garbage. They

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.239
<v Speaker 1>will eat whatever they need too, but that's only if

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>they're not finding the nuts and the seeds and stuff

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>like that, which there are generally plenty, plenty of in

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the United States. And one reason that they're um they're

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>suited for nuts, or that nuts are suited for them

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>is because they have two sets of incisors. I believe

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>upended down is the technical term. And they grow constantly

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>throughout their lifetime. I think they grow something like is

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>this even possible that I'm seeing it six inches a year? Well,

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're constantly grinding them down, so I think

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>if a squirrel was in a coma, they could have

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>six inch bangs. That's crazy. And then apparently if they

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>don't continuously grind them down and they kept growing, they

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>would grow through the top and the bottom of their

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>face all at Lisa Simpson that time. She needed braces.

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>But that's crazy. So they use these very very hard

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>nuts like a chestnut or pecan or walnut shell to

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>impart as it's a food source, but as they're getting

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>to the food source, they're keeping their teeth ground down,

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>which apparently they have to do all the time. That's

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. Squirrels also like a little sweet treat every

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>now and then. They have found red squirrels in Maine

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>that will tap sugar maple trees. They make little bite

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>marks in the tree and then they just say, all right,

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>do your thing, and they come back a few days

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>later and that trap has hardened up and run out

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And that is just a little tiny

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.959
<v Speaker 1>sweet treat for a squirrel. That's right, It's pretty awesome.

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>They also found that um squirrels can learn by observing

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>other squirrels doing something, particularly finding new ways to get food.

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>They're adept at that. Okay, so they see Todd doing something,

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>they say, not a bad idea, let's give that a shot. Yeah,

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>that Todd really came around. Yeah. And if you'll notice,

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we kind of skipped over this if we

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't mention Australia. Uh, squirrels I think used to be

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>in Australia but aren't so much now. And is it

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>a mystery or is it just the obvious that the

0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Australians were like it? It It was on mate. I don't know,

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see that anywhere, but I know that they

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>introduced the Eastern gray and then in Perth they introduced

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the Indian palm, which is like if you mashed together

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>an Eastern gray squirrel in a chipmunk, that would be

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>an Indian palm squirrel. But apparently they both died out.

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's a mystery or not, like

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, but supposedly there's some feral colonies that escape

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>from zoos, at least in Perth. So there are wild

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>squirrels in Australia, but they were introduced uh in the

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, which is actually a trend, as we'll see.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>But I say, before we we tackle all that, we

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>take a break. How about that? All right, Well we'll

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>take the break and we'll talk about squirrel migration right

0:31:41.240 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>after this, okay, Chuck, so As I was saying, like

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>back before pre colonial days in particular, but also even

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>into the nineteenth century. I think even the nineteen sixties,

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>there were reports of massive numbers of squirrels basically stampeding.

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>They call them squirrel migrations, and they have been documented

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.719
<v Speaker 1>enough times that that's it's not an anomaly, but they

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>are fairly rare. And today they've kind of figured out

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that there aren't dense enough populations of squirrels to ever

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>have a genuine like squirrel stampede like they had before.

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>But there there used to be so many of them

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>that every once in a a while, thousands to tens of thousands,

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>two tends to tens of thousands of squirrels would pass

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>generally in like a big wave over an area. And

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>apparently it was quite a thing to see. I imagine

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>it was. And this happened because there would just be

0:32:56.680 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a really big fruitful year for squirrel food, tons of availability,

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and they would, you know, they would boom in numbers

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>because they go to where the food is. And usually

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>if that is followed by I guess historically when that

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>was followed by a really bad year um like the

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>rain you know, didn't work out so great for producing

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>nuts and seeds and stuff and fruit, that all of

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you've got a ton of squirrels in an

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>area that are all looking around going, oh, what's the deal? Uh,

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and their opportunists. So they said, all right, we're getting

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>out of here. We're going to where the food is

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>let's go everybody. And they would do it all at once, Yeah,

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>all at once for some reason. And so there's migrations

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>they would be they'd be running through the forest, they'd

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>be running across the fields, they'd be swimming across rivers,

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and apparently, in at least one account I saw, um,

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>they would be gulped up by bass in the rivers.

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And I can't imagine some worse than a squirrel being

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.479
<v Speaker 1>eaten by a fish. That seems unnatural. Yeah, but there

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>were so many of them. This is also at a

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>time where worlds were roundly among basically everyone living in

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>America viewed as vermin as um uh invaders as things

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>that were unwanted, but also a tasty food source too.

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>So anytime there was a squirrel stampede uh, the yokels

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>would run out with their sticks and bags and beat

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>squirrels to death and then cook them and sell their

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>pelts and do all sorts of things with them. And

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:25.959
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why they were viewed as vermin

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.399
<v Speaker 1>chuck is because on these squirrel migrations and other times

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>where they were just you know, if you were unlucky

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>with your planting, um, those squirrels might see as a

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>food source the crops you just planted all those seeds

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and would dig them up and ruin your year's crops

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>in a day or so. So people didn't like squirrels

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>for a very long time. And this idea of squirrels

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>being everywhere, these little mammals living among us, like you

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 1>were talking about earlier, that's fairly new, and that's actually

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 1>very deliberate and purposeful, because squirrels were basically gone up

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>until about the mid to late nineteenth century in America. Yeah,

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean between being hunted because people hated them on

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>their farms, like you said, people and people still and

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>like generally in certain parts of like Appalachia, still eat

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.359
<v Speaker 1>squirrel on the menu. It is a little gamy from

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>what I'm told, I'm never gonna eat a squirrel, but

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>they still use pelts. But that kind of you know,

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>just like they would eat any larger mammal and use

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>their pelts. They would just get crafty with you know,

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 1>as small as a squirrel. And certainly in times of uh,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, real need, uh you know, small rodents would

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>come in handy on the menu back then. But uh,

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>they were almost gone. We started growing more urban in

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen hundreds obviously, and they were killing squirrels as

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>fast as they could. And in the eighteen forties and fifties,

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>there were so few squirrels that they were introduced to

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>city parks, but not many. At first. They were just

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>like this weird curiosity where you would go out kind

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of like bird watching and you would like try to

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 1>spot a squirrel running around because it was such a

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 1>novel thing. But then by the time Frederick law Olmstead,

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:13.280
<v Speaker 1>who by the way, deserves his own podcast, came along

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and really introduced the idea these really large city parks

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 1>and urban parks. Uh, they introduced a lot of squirrels

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 1>to these parks and they really really like that. That's

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of why we have the squirrels we have today

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>was from this movement to reintroduce him in a big

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>way to urban parks. Yeah, and um, I mean we

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 1>talked kind of a lot about that whole idea in

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 1>our Central Park episode. This idea that you know, they

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>just kept building the city and building the city and

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 1>building city, and people started going crazy because there weren't

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>green spaces. So that that brought the parks in. And

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>then the idea of adding animals to the park just

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>to kind of naturalize it even more. Um that squirrels

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 1>played a huge role in that. UM And not only

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, in Central Park, but also it started out

0:36:56.719 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 1>and I believe Philadelphia and then followed by Boston and um.

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>So by the mid to late nineteenth century, that's when

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>squirrels started to re establish themselves and the way that

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>people saw squirrels started to change too, And there was

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:15.399
<v Speaker 1>this idea that, um, they weren't vermin anymore. Don't shoot them,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>please try not to hit them with the stick. Instead,

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>let's go to the park, spend some time outside and

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>bring some nuts with you and maybe feed the squirrels.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>And not only you feed the squirrels, but you've got

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a little kid. That little kid wants to hit that

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>squirrel with the stick so bad, because kids are are

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>awful like that good. You can actually use squirrels feeding

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>squirrels as a way to teach kids to have compassion,

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 1>to um, be upstanding morally, to have charity. UM. And

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.720
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of how the whole interaction between humans

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 1>and squirrels was kind of framed around that time, like

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the late nineteenth early twentieth century. Yeah, the boy Scout

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>co founder Ernest Thompson's Seaton said that squirrels and introducing

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the two boys in general, would say, would cure them

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of their tendency towards cruelty. But I said, good luck

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a second ago. How do you hit it? I mean,

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess if there's a stampede. But you show me

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a kid that can get a squirrel and hit it

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>with a stick, and that's a future Olympian. There's no way.

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Those things are so fast. But don't try to do it, kids, definitely, no,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't even practice that. Don't try to qualify for

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the Olympics and that because you'll show up to the

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Olympics will be like, we don't, we don't have that.

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>That's not one of our sports. What do you think,

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 1>you say, is Australia right? Uh So these days, you know,

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 1>we've kind of come full circle into just sort of

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>letting squirrels be uh there are you know, if you're

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a hunter in the United States, and that may be

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the tradition in your family if you live out in

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>the country, to start off your child with hunting squirrels

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>with a little twenty two rifle or something two as

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>practice to teach young hunters. I'm certainly not into that,

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to judge you if that's your thing.

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, people still do eat squirrel in

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>certain parts of the United States today. Um, I guess

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>we can talk. I mean, we found a lot of

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.399
<v Speaker 1>extra fun stuff. Well, well, let's talk about So we

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>were talking about how they're viewed in America. They're depending

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>on where you are in the world, and depending on

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the squirl you're talking about, they're actually they can be

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 1>viewed quite negatively. I remember in our Rewilding episode we

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 1>talked about how Eastern gray squirrels are considered an invasive

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>species in Italy um where they call them Americans killer squirrels. Um.

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And there's also an issue with Eastern gray squirrels in

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Europe where they've killed off most of the Eurasian red

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 1>squirrels over there. Um be they've just out competed them.

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not like they've you know, choked them or anything

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.240
<v Speaker 1>like that. They they just they're like almost twice as big,

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>they're a lot more ornery, and they've just kind of

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 1>diminished the number of of Eurasian bread squirrels in the

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 1>UK so much so that three quarters of the population

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>lives in Scotland, and I would just like to direct

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>everybody to the Scottish Squirrels website. Go to Scottish Squirrels

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>dot org dot uk and this is very important. Slash

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 1>about and on their about page the header image is

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe the cutest squirrel you'll ever see in your entire life?

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one he sent me? And Jerry, Yes,

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 1>isn't that the cutest squirrel ever? It's pretty cute. You

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>also sent something else. If you go to RSPCA dot

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 1>org dot uk, slash Advice and Welfare, slash Wildlife, slash Animals,

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>slash gray squirrels, slash feeding, or you could just google

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>feeding squirrels and using nest boxes, you're gonna see a

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 1>squirrel with a chicken wing in its mouth. Yeah, that's

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty It's better than a bass eating of squirrel, I'll

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>tell you that. Yeah, that's a good article you sent

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 1>because it talks about if you like squirrels around, which

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I certainly do, creating a good habitat for them. Trees,

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.839
<v Speaker 1>obviously it's a good thing to have. Not cutting down

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 1>trees is a great thing to do if you can

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 1>avoid it. Uh, And then having squirrel safe bird feeders. Uh.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>And this means not that the squirrels can't get to

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>that seed, because they, as you have attested, they will

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>find a way. Life finds a way, but it don't

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>won't trap the squirrel inside of it. No. Um, that's

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a big one too. They also kind of get

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>into um, they get all Macbeth or Hamlet, which one

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.280
<v Speaker 1>was to be or not to be? Why you asking

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>me this? Because they get all Hamlet or Macbeth on

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>whether or not to feed squirrels. You go, Um, So

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>they're they're like, you could feed squirrels, but really you shouldn't.

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 1>In the RSPCA takes I think a pretty sensible tact,

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>which is build a habitat for the squirrels and that

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>you're planting the right kind of trees that provide a

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>place for them to nest in a place for them

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to get food, and then just step back. I can

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>enjoy them. If you're like you know, me and Mo,

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:05.879
<v Speaker 1>and you go on walks or whatever and you want

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to feed the squirrels. There are some things that are

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 1>better for squirrels than others, and it's basically you want

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.359
<v Speaker 1>to give them what they would naturally eat. Um, which

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>is masked unshelled nuts like walnuts, chest nuts, acorns, hazel nuts,

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. Yes, but not black safflower seeds.

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I saw that if you are one of those people

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>who can't stand squirrels rating your um bird feeder, black

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>safflower seeds are they'll eat them, but they're not crazy

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>about them, and most birds like them instead. So that's

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 1>one way to do it. But you can also feed

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>them vegetables too, and chuck. They included this little tip

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't realize. But if you if you're feeding squirrels,

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>you're leaving food out for squirrels in your yard, and

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>you have a garden that you care about, you don't

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>really want the squirrel taking the food and then burying

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it elsewhere. So they said, if you're gonna feed them

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>fruits and vegetables shredded, because the squirrels is gonna eat

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>it there, it's not gonna try to bury it. I

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 1>thought that was smart. Yeah, And if you have the nuts,

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>don't give them like honey roasted almonds, like unsweetened, unsalted stuff.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I have set up you know, I have a camp

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>cam at the family camp trail cam and it's uh

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it's keyed in on my deer feeder that I got,

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>which is corn, and I've seen one deer. But almost

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>every night I have scores of raccoons and almost every day,

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>well every day, I have squirrels, crows, and now daily

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>turkeys visiting. Lots and lots of turkeys. So I don't

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.759
<v Speaker 1>care that the deer aren't visiting. It's all kinds of

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>animals are coming around. It's always fun to watch on

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the camp cam. That is very cool. Um. One thing

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>you want to be careful with with peanuts too, is

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 1>giving them raw peanuts because peanuts can carry um an affletoxin,

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>which is very It's not good. It's not good for squirrels.

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not good for humans either. It's a type of fungus.

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that actually is not only carcinogen carcinogists that

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 1>can actually like just kill you on the spot neurologically speaking. Um,

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>So you actually want roasted peanuts, but not salted or

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. So like plain roasted peanuts, or what's

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>even better because it helps with their teeth, are mass

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>nuts again like pecans, walnuts, that kind of stuff. But

0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people say don't feed squirrels because you're

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>actually what you're doing is, as we've seen, if squirrels

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 1>know that there's a lot of food, they're going to

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>mate mate mate mate mate, and there's going to be

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of squirrels and they're going to become dependent

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>on that additional food supply. Um, and they might start

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.800
<v Speaker 1>showing up at your neighbor's house, they might start burrowing

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>into your attic. There's just a lot of there's a

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of things that to to take into consideration. I guess, yeah,

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>well the family camp, there's nothing but would so I

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 1>hope we get overrun. So I agree with you. So

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.359
<v Speaker 1>you found a couple of cool things, um, including why

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 1>squirrels like seem to ash in front of your car

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 1>when you're driving right. Yeah, so, and and again I

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>love that we've just finally found answers for this stuff

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.399
<v Speaker 1>because this is kind of a fun, non obnoxious fact

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to jump on to drop on someone. If you're driving

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>around a neighborhood and the squirrel does that thing and

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 1>people go, why the squirrels do that? We can say, well,

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>it's actually an evolutionary instinct to get away from a predator.

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 1>So if you run out and you initially freeze when

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a predator. The predator, it's sort of like a

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 1>football player waiting for the defensive player to make their move,

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and then you go the opposite way with a little juke.

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 1>And that's what the squirrel is doing. They go out,

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>they freeze when they see that car, and if it

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 1>was a predator, they would wait on the predator to

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of make a move and then they can quickly

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 1>go in a direction that is really comes in handy

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>when it's a predator, when it's a car that's going,

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, generally in a big, hulking straight line. Uh,

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not the same thing. But a squirrel has a

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>squirrel brain and it doesn't realize that. So that's why

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a squirrel will jump out in the street, see a

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>car and just stop. They're not dumb. They're waiting on

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.439
<v Speaker 1>you to make some hawk like move, which doesn't happen

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in the car. So what you do is you just

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>slow down and check your review mirror. Don't say I'm

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.240
<v Speaker 1>on the brakes or anything, but you know, they're everywhere,

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and I've hit I think maybe two squirrels in my

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>adult life, so it's not like the most common thing

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to run over a squirrel. Yeah, I ran over one once,

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and my brother in law said that he was on

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>his way to buy a birthday present for his young

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>kid who was waiting forever for their dad to come

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 1>back for his birthday present for his party. It was

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 1>not helpful. Uh, and what about these black squirrels. Uh,

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Emily and I we're taking a walk through Brooklyn one

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 1>day and saw a black, black, black squirrel, not just

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a hint of black, and it was the coolest thing

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen. And I've since seen a few more

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>here and there in New York. And we had the

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>answer there too, right, Yes, Uh, they seem to be

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>so they used to think that they were freaks of nature.

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I think is one um naturalist put it like years

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and years ago, and somebody said, I don't know that

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that's true. I think these actually might have been the

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 1>dominant version. Uh. They seem to be closely related to

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Eastern grays, if not just a type of Eastern gray,

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 1>like a different breed of that species. Um. But they

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>were saying they used to possibly be the dominant version

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 1>and then they got edged out by the Eastern gray,

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 1>and so they're there's they're they're they're just kind of

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 1>uh infrequently, they infrequently appear, but there are parts of

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 1>um North America where they seem to populate more than others,

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like New York. You mean, I um used to see

0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>them in d C. Toronto. They're all over Toronto, UM

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>in Ontario in general, from what I understand. So it

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.439
<v Speaker 1>seems like from what I could tell, that they think

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that there they were, they're already and now we're just

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of seeing them in like this kind of moment

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in time where their numbers have diminished tremendously, where if

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>we went back in time we might see a lot more.

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that Does that seem accurate? Yeah? I mean, it's

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>just genetics. It's a recessive gene that causes an abnormal pigmentation,

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and you will, you know, you're you're only going to

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 1>get more of that recessive gene if these squirrels or

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 1>any uh, you know, creature is reproducing in a in

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a smaller area. So if you've got to contain population,

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 1>like let's say an island like New York or apparently

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Roosevelt Island has a lot of them, uh, you're just

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna see more of them. So uh, d C is

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a little not inexplicable, but it makes more sense in

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 1>New York because you're just going to get more, you know,

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>more of this recessive gene happening in a certain area.

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 1>So not at all my explanation. Then, now what's your explanation?

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Now you nailed it. And this was an article the

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Mysterious Black Squirrels of NYC from what turns out to

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>be a really good website called Untapped Cities dot com

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and writer Michelle Young. It's it's really cool read um. Yeah,

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 1>so you got anything else on squirrels? Nothing and hug

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a squirrel, Embrace the squirrel. But but don't do that,

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know. If you do feed them, don't don't let

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 1>them meat out of your hand because they'll bite you.

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Even though they're grateful, there's still bitey um. And since

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I said that, everybody, it's time for listener mail. That's right.

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0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.000
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0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.200
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0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:59.120
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0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:01.000
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0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.200
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0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.759
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<v Speaker 1>prepare the soil and make it healthy and rich. Love

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<v Speaker 1>that the corn grows so tall that holds up the beans,

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<v Speaker 1>and the squash keeps the soil moist so the other

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<v Speaker 1>two sisters have enough water to stay hydrated. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>all three of the sisters are dried so that people

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<v Speaker 1>can save them to eat later in the winter, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a great benefit. So, uh, we really want to

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<v Speaker 1>share our knowledge in case you do a short stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for reading. Love Miss fink E's or Miss Fink's

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<v Speaker 1>kindergarten class. And uh, like I said, this is in

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore City. Man, that's really impressive. Like I remember in kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 1>I was learning Red Red Red. I wasn't learning about

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<v Speaker 1>the three sisters and groundcovers like keeping them moisture in

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<v Speaker 1>place for the other two. I mean, come on, that's

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<v Speaker 1>really impressive this week read. I think it was more

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<v Speaker 1>like that month. February is red month. All right, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. Well, thank you, miss Fink or Finky's class.

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<v Speaker 1>Hats off to you guys. Keep it up. Uh and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we will definitely do a three Sisters episode some day

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