WEBVTT - Welcome Home 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.800 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.280 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.360 Welcome home, y'all, welcome. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.040 This is an inauguration of sorts because this is the 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.320 inaugural episode of Native Lamppod. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.520 I am Angela Raie Hi everybody. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.080 I am Tiffany Cross, and I'm so thrilled to be 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.639 in conversation with y'all in a community with my sister 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:30.160 and brother. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.559 All Right, hellou everyone, this is Andrew Gill. I'm saying, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.600 what's up. It's been a while. I'm so so so 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:42.239 glad to be back in conversation about relevant issues that 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.760 are going to get us free. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:45.840 Yes. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.519 So, I want you all to know I've missed you 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.400 on air. I'm not the only one looking at the 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.800 comments on our social media posts. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.960 Folks are elated to see you back. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.320 I want you to know that your voices were ones 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.680 that I could count on and and I am so 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.840 glad that now I don't get to just listen to them. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.640 I get to be in the business of strategizing with 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.399 you all every single week as we try to bring 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.280 people back home, and you bring them home and we're 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:12.280 welcoming them home. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:12.679 And so. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.160 Before we kick this thing off. I have an oath 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:18.800 that I'd like for you all to take because it's 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:19.559 an inauguration. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.200 Okay, well a lawyer. I don't have a lawyer present. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.920 Hands up, right, hands up after me. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:35.000 I do solemnly swear, I do solemnly really already swear. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:37.600 I do solemnly swear. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.560 I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.000 The role that I will faith. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:49.760 The responsibility of. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.840 Co hosts of Native Lampod, of co host the Native Lampod. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.000 And will to the best of my ability. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.040 And will, to the best of my ability preserve, preserve, protect. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:05.080 Protect, and defend and defend the truth, the truth and 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.600 the safe space the culture deserves. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.080 And the same safe space culture. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:09.639 You know that. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:10.560 I put your hand back up. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:11.600 Oh, I thought we were. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.400 I put that on my own, mama. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.240 I put that on my hood. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:27.000 I lookd fly you guys Victorian money. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.040 Okay, they couldn't even get through the song. I put 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.960 that on my own, mama. Come on anyway, Welcome home, y'all. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.320 So it would not be us if we didn't just 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.079 jump right into all of the things political. And there 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:44.000 is a lot going on, so we have to jump in. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.040 But I want to know why us, why now, why 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.919 would you sign up to do political podcasting right now? 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.680 If I'll start with you, Andrew, I'll go to you next. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.520 Well, thank you Angela, and I first of all, I 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.040 want to say thank you for your words. Kicking us 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.600 off and right back at you says people have missed 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.280 hearing from you, and I want the listeners and audience 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:09.200 to know that for our our peer group, that Angela 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.400 was the first person out there to take up space 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.680 and truth telling in a public way across the cable 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.079 news spectrum. Because of your commentary and things you contributed 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:26.600 to UH that network, their ratings increased, their brand increased 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:31.360 in spaces where they weren't. And when I I've worked 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.800 in TV for over twenty years behind the scenes, but 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.760 when I transitioned to in front of the camera, Angela 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.320 was always my go to about you know, speaker fees, 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.360 about contracts, all that stuff. So thank you to you 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.600 for being a trailblazer in that space. And so when 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.440 you called with this vision of this podcast, it wasn't 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.760 even a question. I was honored to be included. Outside 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.280 of our professional work, we have a long close personal 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.200 friendship and so it was you know is this work 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.480 or is this me hanging out and having conversations that 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.800 we would normally be having. And then I would say, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.880 because the cable news industry has so routinely and stubbornly 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.120 failed to speak to us, to value our voices, there's 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.599 like an unspoken rule. You can't be too truthful, you 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.360 can't be too real, you can't say too much. And 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.479 the cardinal rule is you can't make white folks too uncomfortable. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.320 And so it's nice to have a space, a safe space, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.479 as you talked about in the Oath, where we can 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.640 speak truthfully. And I think this is a podcast for everyone. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.320 If you have intellectual curiosity about your fellow countrymen who 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.200 don't look like you, this is a place where you 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.719 can come and hear that. And if you are uncomfortable, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.440 then that is a good thing, because that means you're growing. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.240 So we welcome everybody here, and we welcome people who 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.320 have a familiarity with us. We welcome our fan with 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:00.839 us as well. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.000 It's real, Andrew, why you why now? Why this pod? 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.960 Well? Uh, this isn't to be overly laudatory of you, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.240 Angela the individual, because I could carry on about that, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.520 but because I know. One of the premises of this show, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:16.520 and one of the things that we want to be 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.520 able to communicate to those who join in this community 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.400 is that everybody's voice is valued. We all have a 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.159 role to play. And you don't have to be well known. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.920 You don't have to be Humpty dumpty and fall from 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.240 the fall, you know, the tallest wall to have the 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.080 experience that matters. Whatever you're experiencing, you don't need validation 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.200 for it's it's real, it's you. And so, in the 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.680 spirit of influencing other people, Angela, this is a yes 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.040 for me because you walk the talk, and you talk 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.320 the walk. There are not a lot of people who 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:59.400 touch radioactivity knowingly, who dive, you know, headfirst into a 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.359 rescue me when you see injustice and unfairness. And I 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.359 think part of your invitation to me, I'll speak for me, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:12.960 but I think Tiffany intimated this is that you, I 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.839 said on the campaign trail, nobody should be judged forever 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.159 by their worst day. What you're lifting up by our 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.200 examples of resilience overcoming and maybe some days is just 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:28.200 I'm just standing right. That's emotion in and of itself 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.760 is the truest story I think for the majority of 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.440 us in this country, the majority of us in our community, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.520 the majority of the listeners that we will hopefully have 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.040 joined us on this podcast, and they deserve to hear themselves, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.359 see themselves reflected and know that a phoenix does rise. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.800 And so thank you for Alamia partner with you and 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.679 this brilliant woman next to me, Tiffany, to longtime friends 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.880 and colleagues and brilliant women in this work. 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:57.920 I love that. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.800 Well, when we say welcome home, we're not just what 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.600 each other home, but listeners, we welcome you home too. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.719 And again, it would not be us if we didn't 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.280 just jump in where we know best. I want to 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.400 start off, Andrew, is something that had you hot under 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:18.880 the collar Donald Trump. No surprises there, but basically he'dn't 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.960 done it now. And he had something to say on 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.160 the Civil War that you just weren't filling. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.160 Let's roll that clip. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.760 The Civil War was so fascinating, so horrible, so many 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.280 mistakes were made. See, there was something I think could 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.160 have been negotiated. To be honest with you, I think 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.920 you could have negotiated that all the people died, so 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.120 many people died. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:47.840 Andrew Well, I have to say, I think Donald Trump 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:53.840 up the ante and his vitriol, this time with black 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:58.640 people as the target and as the audience. The more 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.240 fascinating side of the the question is the whole of 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.080 the Republican Party, sixty percent of which seemed to be 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.680 in these early states, standing right lock and step with him. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.200 I know that everybody thinks Donald Trump is disqualified from 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.920 office or holding it again because of all these indictments 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.280 and all that kind of stuff. But I got to 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.040 tell you, if there's a disqualifier, it's that we've already 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.040 experienced four years of that chaos. To me, that in 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.640 and of itself is disqualified. Norton, not that I ever 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:34.520 thought he was qualified, but this idea of renegotiating the 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:40.680 Civil War, we have to consider who he's talking about negotiating. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:46.000 We're talking about people, human beings, human lives. I know 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.000 Nikki Haley has a different spin on that, and we'll 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.959 get to it. Yeah, but you can't in this day 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.760 and age, we really ought to all be up in 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.720 arms that Donald Trump would enter into the political fray. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.400 He up the ante from Nicki's comments of just ignoring 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.840 slavery as a motivator for the Civil War and basically said, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:09.360 we could have negotiated our way around saving more white 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.840 men and black men lives, slaves fought in the war, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.439 former slaves, and slave fault in the war, so on 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:20.000 and so forth, to save people who look like him. Well, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.040 I want to me, it just blows my mind. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.000 And Tiff, before you chime in on Donald Trump, sure 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.920 you got a lot to stay there. I don't know 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:29.640 if I agree with you on if he uped the 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:30.720 ante I'm black folks. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.000 But we'll do more on that later. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.280 I do want to roll the Nikki Haley sound bite 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.880 to see if you think there's that much light between 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:38.640 their positions. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.680 I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.880 was basically how government was going to run the freedoms 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.120 and what people could and couldn't do. Thank you. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.120 And then in the year twenty twenty three, it's astonishing 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.880 to me that you answer that question without mentioning the 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:54.640 word slavery. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.760 What do you want me to say about slavery? 0:09:59.040 --> 0:09:59.800 If you mu. 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:08.160 Next question, he said, Nef said, yeah, So look, one, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.000 I just want to say to the listeners who are 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.520 exhausted with hearing about Donald Trump like this, is not 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.320 a space where we will highlight this man every week 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.440 by any means. But when he says something truly egregious, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.920 I do think he is the front runner of the 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.920 Republican Party and we have to talk about it, and 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.760 we have to address it. Closing your eyes pretending he's 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.439 not there is not going to make him go away. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:26.080 He is there. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:26.959 Uh. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.800 Two, I would say to Andrew's point about Trump's comments 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.360 and Nikki Haley, they are talking to a specific set 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.440 of people. They're not speaking to us. So all of 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.559 this bullshit about they want to, you know, attract everybody 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.600 to the Republican Party. No they don't. They're speaking to racist, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.520 conservative maga extremists, and we have to stop acting like, uh, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.840 and Andrew, you said this that the Republican Party is 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.280 one and Donald Trump is another. This is the same people. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.480 You know, Our good brother Michael Eric Dyson says this 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.600 Frankenstein was the doctor, not the monster. This is the 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.000 monster they created. But they are, by all means the doctor, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.640 all their racism, their xenophobia, their misogyny. He is the 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.360 human embodiment of that. And so I'm never surprised. I'm 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.560 never clutching my pearls. What I'm disgusted at is when 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.440 I see this being consumed and discussed and parsed over 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.280 across the media, that we can't call a thing a 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.000 thing right, that these candidates are allowed to come on 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.480 and wax poetic about all of their bullshit issues that 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.880 they invent and they're never confronted with, But what about 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.679 your racist ass comments that you said yesterday? That's why 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.400 they go on these shows because they know it to 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.560 be an easy pathway. They will ever be confronted with it. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.360 Everybody on the panel will pretend, you know that they're 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.640 not gonna talk about this, even their voters. I think 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.240 their voters have to start being confronted when you do these, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.920 you know, voter panels and talk to people. I don't 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.280 know how you have that kind of panel. You don't ask, well, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.640 how are you comfortable with some of the racist comments 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.000 that he's how are you comfortable with how he speaks 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.520 about your fellow countrymen? And so literally quoting Hitler, absolutely, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:12.800 you know, everything about him is so un American and 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.440 the ideology that we have that the hope of what 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.480 we think this country could be, but it's also so 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.280 very American in the way that this country was founded. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:24.280 So I'm disgusted by it. I'm unnerved by him continuing 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.640 to be the front runner. And until media, which I 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.160 do think has a very important role to play in democracy, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.320 until they start assuming that role in a more responsible, inclusive, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.720 aware way. I think they're helping to pave the way 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.680 to America's final. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.640 Season textbook enabling and one of the things too, we 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.480 throw in the Nikki Haley clip, we make it seem 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.760 or they have made it seem over time, like Donald 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.439 Trump was the anomaly. You referenced this Frankenstein analogy that 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.760 Harry Reid actually said. He said yet right, that Donald 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.560 Trump was the Republican Party spranket sign. You built it, monster, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.200 Your dog whistles are now fog horns, Like, let's be 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.480 very clear about what it is. This same thing that 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.600 he's doing, doubling down on the Civil War paved the 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.440 way by state policy where they're challenging CRT. Now it's 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.000 DEI program. So we went from critical race theory to diversity, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.720 equity and inclusion. And Donald Trump is like, oh, there's 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.280 an obsession with Civil War. Turns out the Confederate soldiers 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.160 were born again and showed up at the Capitol on 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.240 January sixth. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:28.839 No surprises here at all. 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.040 So I'm curious to know about your new vitriol because 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:32.920 it's been vitriol. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.880 I'm not new to the game, and I'm not new 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.280 to the tactics of Donald Trump. I find it strange 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.840 the timing, yeah, of wading into this, and I don't 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.880 don't I don't think that Donald Trump and Nicki Haley's 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.400 comments are the same. Nicki Haley also, first of all, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.280 she's a contradiction in walking because she's also the same 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.559 woman who took down the Confederate flag and removed the 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.560 Confederate statutes off the state's grounds in South Carolina. That's 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.360 what made many of us think that she was If 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:07.360 slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War the Confederacy, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.120 then why was it so politically risky for her to 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.680 then remove those monuments. Welled, I know exactly what's changed. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.240 But to make the difference between what Trump is saying, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.280 I have not heard a Republican and mainstream certainly not 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.960 someone who has pursued the presidency say we should have 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.400 renegotiated that and a lot of lives could have been saved, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.680 because when you talk about renegotiate that going back to 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.000 Nikkahley's quote, which was that, no, this was about the states' 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.960 rights to decide their own governing. No, a state's right 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.680 to do what, or another human being to own another 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.800 human being. How do you lose that FUNDAMENTALI that is 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.320 the issue, that is the thing, not said state's right 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.560 to own. So I get her saying that it wasn't 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.920 about slavery the commerce of the trade of humans and 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.840 more about a state's decision to trade humans or not 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.520 to trade humans. So not the trading of them, but 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.640 the decision of a state to trade human lies our 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.280 ancestors lies to Donald Trump, who said, well, maybe if 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.080 we could have carved up a few more states in 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:19.160 the expansion territories for slavery and then say this is it. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.120 It cannot grow beyond these places. That's a negotiation that 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:27.000 one keeps our ancestors still enslaved and would have painted 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.200 a very few, very different future than the one that 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.520 we are enjoying today. He moved the marker from me, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.960 and maybe it's a small nuance difference, but it matters 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:43.560 more than me, because I want to know what Republican 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.440 voters who are endorsing this are trying to communicate to 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.520 the rest of us. And I refuse to believe as 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.760 a person who ran in a majority white state, overwhelmingly 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.920 white state for governor, where we had unprecedented turnout and 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.480 I earned four million votes and my opponent earned four 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.880 million plus folks, and we were point four percent difference 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.000 between each other, and a race to elect a black 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.560 man governor of the state of Florida, in addition to 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.160 being a good public service on and so forth. How 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.160 can that same place so fully now embrace this man 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.520 and the only justification we give for embracing him is 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.600 that racism. I think we have to I think we 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.800 have to be more curious about what is the subtext. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:25.880 How can you vote for me one day and then 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.080 the next day you say you're voting for Trump and 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.320 we then conclude that it's just a full endorsement of racism. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.880 I think that's easy work, and I think we have 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:35.920 to do the hard work here. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.480 Speaking of racism, we also saw terrorism at play, not 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.560 just on January sixth, which of course we're just on 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.040 the other side of that anniversary, but also at Mother 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.040 EMMANUELAMI Church in Charleston, South Carolina, of course, Joe Biden 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.920 this week delivered a speech at Mother Emmanuel and recognized 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.360 the massacre of the em Manual nine. We'll hear this 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.080 because he also referenced the Civil War. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.760 After the Civil War, the defeated Confederates couldn't accept the 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.960 verdict of the war they had lost, so they say 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.919 they embraced what's known as the Lost Cause, a self 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.520 serving lie that the Civil War is not about slavery 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.640 but about states rights. They've called that the Noble Cause. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.800 Now, tiff I wanted that clip to roll, especially because 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:39.080 Andrew was making this distinction between what Nicki Haley said 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.440 what Donald Trump said. It sounds like Joe Biden went 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.320 right to the heart of what Nicki Haley said while 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.320 standing on the ground where she used to once where 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:48.360 she was once governor. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.640 So what do you think about what Joe Biden said? 0:17:55.000 --> 0:18:00.560 I think President Biden sometimes it's in ourticulate in the 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:06.080 points that he's trying to make. Again, listen, I am 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.160 not a Democratic talking head. As you know, I am 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.720 not loyal to any Democratic party. I think Joe Biden 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:19.000 is a flawed man, a flawed president. When I cast 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.520 a ballot for him, it is not because of my 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.000 blind faith in this man. I think there are very 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.600 legitimate criticisms about him, but if I have to choose 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.160 between him and Donald Trump, I am going to vote 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.479 for harm reduction. I would rather Joe Biden be in 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:39.159 this position than I would Donald Trump. I think, you know, 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.280 this is someone who has his first round. He made 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.680 it a talking point that he could work with Republicans, 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.400 that he could unite the country, and I think even 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.200 then we knew just as we know now. I don't 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.520 know how to meet a biggot halfway. I don't know 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.600 how to work with racist, and I don't want my 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.919 leaders trying to figure out how to work with Rae 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.679 because that means at some point I am going to 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.639 get sacrificed or something that is of interest to my 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.920 community will get sacrificed. So look, I don't know if 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:15.080 that was the best, most targeted message by any means. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.119 I think this administration has needed some messaging help, for sure. 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.640 And we can't be afraid he's of a different generation, 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.359 but we can't be afraid to say, did y'all hear 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.240 that wild shit the Nikki Haley just said? And j 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.640 y'all here at wildshit? The Donald Trump just said, maybe 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.840 let me hear this, may me talking, but throw some 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.400 Jesus on it and clean it up. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:36.919 But say it. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.920 But just to point out, like you don't have to 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.200 be polite. Yeah, you know, we don't want somebody who 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.360 can negotiate. We want somebody who can fight. We want 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.440 somebody who was going to stand up for us. And honestly, 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.040 I don't know if Joe Biden is that person, but 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.360 he's the person we got. And if you understand how 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.960 politics work and how this two party system work, that's 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.080 your choice. Donald Trump is the front runner, Joe Biden 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.399 is the incumbent and the leader of the Democratic Party. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.439 That is tr way you have when you go vote. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:06.160 To abstain is not helping. To abstain is to It's 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:06.560 a choice. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:07.679 That is a vote. 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:12.920 Exactly to not vote is a vote. So I'm disappointed 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.000 in the messaging. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.400 Andrew before you before you chime in here. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.560 I think that part of the conundrum that Tiff is 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.280 addressing in her response has to do with what happened 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.880 also in this speech, there was a protest that erupted, 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:30.520 and I want us to roll that clip. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.239 Well, the truth, there's no light without light there's no 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.680 path from this darkness. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:52.120 You really, that's all right? Thank you? 0:20:53.119 --> 0:21:01.040 What's that? I understand their passion, and I've been quietly working, 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:06.680 I mean quietly working with the Israeli government to get 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.520 them to reduce and significantly get out from gossip. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:16.400 So in between where he responded to the congregation who 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.639 began some of them who began chanting former years, there's 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.080 this divide, right, some of it. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:23.480 Some folks could argue by. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:28.760 Age, some folks could argue by political philosophy. But folks 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.280 are like harm reduction all day. Other folks are like, 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.359 who is my next option? Because this can be life? 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.240 And there are folks who feel somewhere stuck in the middle. 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.000 And you know, like we talk about all the time, 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.680 there's nuance in all of that. What do you say 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:41.160 to Andrew? 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:46.600 I think we should everyday dream about the system that 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.720 when we are free and freer we would like to 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:54.639 create that allows for more options. And what is a 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.679 dichotomous process? Right now? You get pretty much two choices. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.040 I mean, you had a billionaire and parole running, right. 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.560 I mean, if there are people who Bloomberg did the 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.359 same thing, that's not the cut through this system. Is 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:13.280 deeply entrenched. But while we are dreaming our best dream 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.160 and building the system that we believe we deserve, we 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.600 cannot unilaterally disarmed from the one that we have. It 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.480 has consequences, It prevents us from doing the other things. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.760