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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all, welcome.

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Speaker 1: This is an inauguration of sorts because this is the

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Speaker 1: inaugural episode of Native Lamppod.

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Speaker 2: I am Angela Raie Hi everybody.

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Speaker 3: I am Tiffany Cross, and I'm so thrilled to be

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Speaker 3: in conversation with y'all in a community with my sister

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Speaker 3: and brother.

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Speaker 4: All Right, hellou everyone, this is Andrew Gill. I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: what's up. It's been a while. I'm so so so

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Speaker 4: glad to be back in conversation about relevant issues that

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Speaker 4: are going to get us free.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So, I want you all to know I've missed you

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Speaker 1: on air. I'm not the only one looking at the

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Speaker 1: comments on our social media posts.

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Speaker 2: Folks are elated to see you back.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know that your voices were ones

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Speaker 1: that I could count on and and I am so

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Speaker 1: glad that now I don't get to just listen to them.

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Speaker 1: I get to be in the business of strategizing with

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Speaker 1: you all every single week as we try to bring

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Speaker 1: people back home, and you bring them home and we're

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Speaker 1: welcoming them home.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: Before we kick this thing off. I have an oath

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Speaker 1: that I'd like for you all to take because it's

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Speaker 1: an inauguration.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well a lawyer. I don't have a lawyer present.

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Speaker 1: Hands up, right, hands up after me.

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Speaker 2: I do solemnly swear, I do solemnly really already swear.

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Speaker 2: I do solemnly swear.

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Speaker 1: I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute.

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Speaker 5: The role that I will faith.

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Speaker 4: The responsibility of.

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Speaker 1: Co hosts of Native Lampod, of co host the Native Lampod.

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Speaker 2: And will to the best of my ability.

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Speaker 3: And will, to the best of my ability preserve, preserve, protect.

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Speaker 1: Protect, and defend and defend the truth, the truth and

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Speaker 1: the safe space the culture deserves.

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Speaker 4: And the same safe space culture.

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Speaker 6: You know that.

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Speaker 2: I put your hand back up.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought we were.

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Speaker 2: I put that on my own, mama.

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Speaker 4: I put that on my hood.

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Speaker 3: I lookd fly you guys Victorian money.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they couldn't even get through the song. I put

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Speaker 2: that on my own, mama. Come on anyway, Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: So it would not be us if we didn't just

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Speaker 1: jump right into all of the things political. And there

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Speaker 1: is a lot going on, so we have to jump in.

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Speaker 1: But I want to know why us, why now, why

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Speaker 1: would you sign up to do political podcasting right now?

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Speaker 2: If I'll start with you, Andrew, I'll go to you next.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Angela, and I first of all, I

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Speaker 3: want to say thank you for your words. Kicking us

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Speaker 3: hearing from you, and I want the listeners and audience

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Speaker 3: to know that for our our peer group, that Angela

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Speaker 3: was the first person out there to take up space

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Speaker 3: and truth telling in a public way across the cable

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Speaker 3: news spectrum. Because of your commentary and things you contributed

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Speaker 3: to UH that network, their ratings increased, their brand increased

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Speaker 3: in spaces where they weren't. And when I I've worked

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Speaker 3: in TV for over twenty years behind the scenes, but

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Speaker 3: when I transitioned to in front of the camera, Angela

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Speaker 3: was always my go to about you know, speaker fees,

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Speaker 3: about contracts, all that stuff. So thank you to you

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Speaker 3: for being a trailblazer in that space. And so when

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Speaker 3: you called with this vision of this podcast, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: even a question. I was honored to be included. Outside

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Speaker 3: because the cable news industry has so routinely and stubbornly

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Speaker 3: like an unspoken rule. You can't be too truthful, you

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Speaker 3: And so it's nice to have a space, a safe space,

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Speaker 3: If you have intellectual curiosity about your fellow countrymen who

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Speaker 3: So we welcome everybody here, and we welcome people who

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Speaker 2: It's real, Andrew, why you why now? Why this pod?

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Speaker 4: Well? Uh, this isn't to be overly laudatory of you,

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Speaker 4: Angela the individual, because I could carry on about that,

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Speaker 4: able to communicate to those who join in this community

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Speaker 4: is that everybody's voice is valued. We all have a

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Speaker 4: role to play. And you don't have to be well known.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to be Humpty dumpty and fall from

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Speaker 4: the fall, you know, the tallest wall to have the

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Speaker 4: experience that matters. Whatever you're experiencing, you don't need validation

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Speaker 4: for it's it's real, it's you. And so, in the

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Speaker 4: spirit of influencing other people, Angela, this is a yes

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Speaker 4: for me because you walk the talk, and you talk

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Speaker 4: the walk. There are not a lot of people who

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Speaker 4: touch radioactivity knowingly, who dive, you know, headfirst into a

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Speaker 4: rescue me when you see injustice and unfairness. And I

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Speaker 4: think part of your invitation to me, I'll speak for me,

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Speaker 4: but I think Tiffany intimated this is that you, I

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Speaker 4: said on the campaign trail, nobody should be judged forever

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Speaker 4: by their worst day. What you're lifting up by our

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Speaker 4: I'm just standing right. That's emotion in and of itself

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Speaker 4: is the truest story I think for the majority of

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Speaker 4: the majority of the listeners that we will hopefully have

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Speaker 4: see themselves reflected and know that a phoenix does rise.

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Speaker 4: And so thank you for Alamia partner with you and

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Speaker 4: this brilliant woman next to me, Tiffany, to longtime friends

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Speaker 4: and colleagues and brilliant women in this work.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Well, when we say welcome home, we're not just what

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Speaker 1: each other home, but listeners, we welcome you home too.

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Speaker 1: And again, it would not be us if we didn't

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Speaker 1: start off, Andrew, is something that had you hot under

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Speaker 1: the collar Donald Trump. No surprises there, but basically he'dn't

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Speaker 1: done it now. And he had something to say on

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Speaker 1: the Civil War that you just weren't filling.

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Speaker 7: The Civil War was so fascinating, so horrible, so many

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Speaker 7: mistakes were made. See, there was something I think could

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Speaker 7: have been negotiated. To be honest with you, I think

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Speaker 4: Andrew Well, I have to say, I think Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: up the ante and his vitriol, this time with black

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Speaker 4: people as the target and as the audience. The more

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Speaker 4: fascinating side of the the question is the whole of

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Speaker 4: I know that everybody thinks Donald Trump is disqualified from

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Speaker 4: Civil War, we have to consider who he's talking about negotiating.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about people, human beings, human lives. I know

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Speaker 4: Nikki Haley has a different spin on that, and we'll

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Speaker 4: get to it. Yeah, but you can't in this day

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Speaker 4: and age, we really ought to all be up in

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Speaker 4: He up the ante from Nicki's comments of just ignoring

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Speaker 4: slavery as a motivator for the Civil War and basically said,

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Speaker 4: we could have negotiated our way around saving more white

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Speaker 4: men and black men lives, slaves fought in the war,

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Speaker 4: former slaves, and slave fault in the war, so on

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Speaker 1: And Tiff, before you chime in on Donald Trump, sure

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Speaker 2: But we'll do more on that later.

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Speaker 1: I do want to roll the Nikki Haley sound bite

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War

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Speaker 4: And then in the year twenty twenty three, it's astonishing

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Speaker 3: What do you want me to say about slavery?

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Speaker 3: Next question, he said, Nef said, yeah, So look, one,

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Speaker 3: Two, I would say to Andrew's point about Trump's comments

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Speaker 3: this bullshit about they want to, you know, attract everybody

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Speaker 3: to the Republican Party. No they don't. They're speaking to racist,

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Speaker 3: and Andrew, you said this that the Republican Party is

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Speaker 3: You know, Our good brother Michael Eric Dyson says this

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Speaker 3: Frankenstein was the doctor, not the monster. This is the

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Speaker 3: monster they created. But they are, by all means the doctor,

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Speaker 3: all their racism, their xenophobia, their misogyny. He is the

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Speaker 3: never clutching my pearls. What I'm disgusted at is when

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Speaker 3: they invent and they're never confronted with, But what about

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Speaker 3: your racist ass comments that you said yesterday? That's why

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Speaker 3: they go on these shows because they know it to

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Speaker 1: Speaking of racism, we also saw terrorism at play, not

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Speaker 3: That is tr way you have when you go vote.

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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So South Carolina obviously now pre amps Iowa and New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: but for the Republican Party. They're not just selecting delegates,

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Speaker 1: they're selecting a candidate. I think we all know where

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Speaker 1: it's likely going to go, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you all have anything you really want.

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Speaker 2: To say there.

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Speaker 3: I would just say that, no, die to my fellow

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Speaker 3: countrymen in Iowa New Hampshire. But these are two states

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Speaker 3: that are I think ninety three and ninety four percent white, respectively,

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Speaker 3: and fried buttersticks and mayonnaise carvings and all the other

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Speaker 3: things that they do at these Look, and that's what

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Speaker 3: you're right, But if that's what you want to do,

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Speaker 3: and do that. But I also think, well, look, but sure,

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Speaker 3: but I would say no, it was like I like

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Speaker 3: my sauce, but spare me. Yeah, Like fried mayonnaise.

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Speaker 2: Is the the devil.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I would say what has been happening has

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Speaker 3: not worked. And I think the one thing that I

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Speaker 3: can say about Donald Trump is in twenty sixteen, he

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Speaker 3: ripped up the political playbook. So when I see campaigns

457
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Speaker 3: operating like it's pre twenty sixteen, I do wonder, like, well,

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Speaker 3: what fuck needs to happen for you to learn? You know,

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Speaker 3: like that ain't the game anymore? You know, like you

460
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Speaker 3: you trying to score a touchdown and we shoot in

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Speaker 3: baskets like it is a completely different conversation. So I

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Speaker 3: think the infrastructure of the country and how these things

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Speaker 3: go has to change, everything from campaign finance laws, to

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Speaker 3: the primary process, to the two party system, all of it.

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Speaker 3: And so I can understand why people feel a bit

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Speaker 3: disenfranchised and apathetic towards the process. And honestly, I think

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Speaker 3: that's one of the things we'll discuss here every week

468
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Speaker 3: because I am trying to reimagine democracy as well. And

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Speaker 3: we imagine it as a blank slate and we make

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Speaker 3: ourselves the architects of it, then what does democracy look

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Speaker 3: like to us? And that's the challenge that I would

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Speaker 3: put to our listeners, like this is what has happened,

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Speaker 3: ain't working right?

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Speaker 4: That's real. All I say is I don't really care

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Speaker 4: about what happens to the proposing prime but I do

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Speaker 4: because I know that the consequences are great. After largely,

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Speaker 4: although Democrats won't know the results on Tuesday, out of Iowa,

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Speaker 4: they are voting, They're getting ballots. It's just one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent of them are voting through the mail and their

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Speaker 4: vote will be pronounced announced after we get a more

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Speaker 4: diverse state into the caucus process. So you know that

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Speaker 4: is what it is. All I'm saying is people start

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Speaker 4: dropping out of this race pretty quickly. Hillary was told

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Speaker 4: by her campaign manager after New Hampshire that night that

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Speaker 4: she needed to drop out. That we were bankrupt after

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Speaker 4: New Hampshire. Could you imagine to says in right, So

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Speaker 4: it matters, y'all because this process is being decided right

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Speaker 4: under our noses, and it's going to be another six

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Speaker 4: or seven months before we even wake up to the

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Speaker 4: fact that there's an election coming.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is our POV on politics and that political news.

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Speaker 1: That matters a whole lot right now. But stick around because,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out, politics are everywhere else. I say

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Speaker 1: often that politics touches you, whether or not you touch it,

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Speaker 1: and there's no place to see politics more at play

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Speaker 1: than on our purses, our pockets, and our pay The

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Speaker 1: word the world started paying attention recently to something our

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Speaker 1: girl Taraji said and talks about on the regular, and

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Speaker 1: this feels like an appropriate moment to quote Miss Celi

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Speaker 1: who said, until you do right by.

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Speaker 4: Me, everything you touch.

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Speaker 1: Taraji is saying, mister, it's actually this entire ass industry,

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Speaker 1: and so right now, let's take a listening to what

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Speaker 1: Taraji said.

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Speaker 5: I'm just tired of working so hard, being gracious at

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Speaker 5: what I do, getting paid a fraction of the cost.

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Speaker 2: It seems every.

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Speaker 5: Time I do something and I break another glass ceiling.

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Speaker 5: When it's time to renegotiate, I'm at the bottom again,

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Speaker 5: like I never did what I.

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Speaker 2: Just did, and I'm just tired. I'm tired.

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Speaker 5: And if I can't fight for them coming up behind me,

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Speaker 5: then what the fuck am I doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Yeah, don't apologize.

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Speaker 5: Twenty plus years in the game, and I see what

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Speaker 5: you do for another production, and when it's time for

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Speaker 5: us to go to back, you don't have any money.

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Speaker 2: Enough is enough? Enough is enough?

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Speaker 1: That number of heads that were nodding in this room

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Speaker 1: just on that point her pain right, and you hear it,

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Speaker 1: She's like through tears, And I do want to get

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Speaker 1: into this, but first I want to pull a Lady

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Speaker 1: Oh's response, because Taraji took the same criticism right to

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Speaker 1: this set of Color Purple, defending some of her cast mates,

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Speaker 1: and I want, I want us to respond to what

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Speaker 1: Oprah said.

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Speaker 9: I heard I was trending yesterday because people are saying

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Speaker 9: that I was not supporting Taraji. Taraji will tell you

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Speaker 9: herself whenever I heard there was an issue where there

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Speaker 9: was a problem, there was a problem with the cars,

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Speaker 9: or there's a problem with the food, I would step

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Speaker 9: in and do whatever I could to make it right.

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Speaker 9: There's no validity to there being a thing between Taraji

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Speaker 9: and I.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So before we even get to Danielle Brooks's part,

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Speaker 1: why does it take a billion narrative to have to

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Speaker 1: weigh in to say she shouldn't have to drive a

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Speaker 1: rental car? She needs a car service after her hard

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Speaker 1: work and after the emotional commitment it takes to play

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Speaker 1: a role. Why do they have to check on food

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Speaker 1: about trailers?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Why let me first say, I want to thank Taraji

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Speaker 3: for her testimony. Yeah, because she does not stand alone.

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Speaker 3: And when she spoke, she was not on speaking for

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Speaker 3: her sisters and her industry, but for all of us.

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Speaker 3: Because who among us in this room and who among

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Speaker 3: us at home listening can say that we have been

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Speaker 3: paid what we're worth by a corporation? Very few people.

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Speaker 3: And look, this was Warner Brothers production. You know, this

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Speaker 3: wasn't Oprah. So it was interesting to me that the

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Speaker 3: immediate attacks went to Oprah. It's like another part of

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Speaker 3: the plan, Like no, look at the leadership of Warner

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Speaker 3: Brothers and take that smoke to them. I also want

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Speaker 3: to say about Taraji. When you're the first to speak out,

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Speaker 3: you are often punished. Yeah, And so it takes courage

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Speaker 3: to speak your truth because if you don't, people will

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Speaker 3: think they're alone on the island that is just them.

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Speaker 3: And I so understand her tears and the pain in

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Speaker 3: her voice. I think all of us in this room

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Speaker 3: have experienced that. I've been highly disrespected on the pay

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Speaker 3: scal highly disrespected where I've made or garnered more ratings

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Speaker 3: than your favor white boy at the network and he

564
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Speaker 3: was making millions. Well, my sister, who's still you know,

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Speaker 3: on set, tell them, speaking of honest truth, grossly underpaid

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Speaker 3: than her colleagues. And there is some attitude that we

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Speaker 3: should be grateful, we should be grateful for the crumbs

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Speaker 3: they give us while we sit across from you and

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Speaker 3: watch you eat a steak, watch you enjoy a meal.

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Speaker 3: And I just think, if enough of us speak out,

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Speaker 3: if enough of us have the righteous anger to say

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Speaker 3: fuck that and we walk, if enough of us can

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Speaker 3: rally our collective talents and build something for ourselves. They

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Speaker 3: can't blackball everybody, they can't fire everybody. So I just

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Speaker 3: want to use my time to offer nothing but gratitude

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Speaker 3: to Taraji. She spoke for her, She spoke for you,

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Speaker 3: and she most certainly spoke for me.

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Speaker 4: It's powerful. And what I think I understood about her

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Speaker 4: tears were that in some ways she's resigned that her

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Speaker 4: status and her fight has been what it has been,

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Speaker 4: and it's going to be what it's going to be.

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Speaker 4: I heard fully the future and what she that pain,

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Speaker 4: you know, the exhaustion, the humiliation was palpable. But that's

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Speaker 4: the kind of that's that's the kind of connection you

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Speaker 4: make when you are talking about and talking for the

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Speaker 4: ages and not for the moment. And what I love

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Speaker 4: is that her selflessness continues. What I know about Tajipanson

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Speaker 4: is that I was a I are working on a grant,

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Speaker 4: was able to hand out mental health scholarships that she

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Speaker 4: funded because she knows what a toll mental health, waking up, breeding,

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Speaker 4: just showing up at work, the strain, the pain that

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Speaker 4: that is for a black woman. And so she added

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Speaker 4: to that the LGBTQ community, the Black lgbt Q youth

594
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: community is your survival requires regular, ongoing maintenance of your head.

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Speaker 4: If you'll want to draw breath today, that's huge for

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Speaker 4: some people. It's a luxury to talk about her salary.

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Speaker 4: It's a luxury. She's talking about the fact that she

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Speaker 4: has been surviving for a very long time. When does

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Speaker 4: thriving happen for her?

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Speaker 2: Right right?

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Speaker 1: And the fact that she looked at when is thriving

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Speaker 1: happened for her if and only if her sisters are

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Speaker 1: thriving too. And this is what Danielle Brooks had to

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Speaker 1: say about Taragi's advocacy.

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Speaker 10: I remember when we first came in and we were

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Speaker 10: doing rehearsal and they put us all in the same space,

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Speaker 10: like we didn't have our own dressing rooms at the time,

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Speaker 10: and they did not give us. Sorry miss who we

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Speaker 10: didn't have no food?

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Speaker 6: Had she heard about it?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and you corrected it.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, miss oh, we got to fix this.

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Speaker 2: And she said, say less and wasn't not. And that's

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Speaker 2: what I appreciated, though you were. I love that and

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Speaker 2: part of the reason.

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Speaker 4: It devastates me. You said you love it. I hate it.

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Speaker 4: Everybody doesn't get an Oprah to work with in their

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Speaker 4: movie productions. What a what a sentinel moment for those

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Speaker 4: actors actresses that had that opportunity. And we shouldn't have

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Speaker 4: to have a built in advocate who's paying for the

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Speaker 4: goddamn thing in order to be given appropriate accommodation's food

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Speaker 4: after a hard day's work, in the middle of a

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Speaker 4: hard day's work, coffee and coke for a refresh if

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Speaker 4: you want so, even now, And I hope Oprah, and

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Speaker 4: I hope Taji, and I hope all of us who

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Speaker 4: are having this conversation are responsible enough to know that

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Speaker 4: we are now talking about systems and now, how Oprah performed, now,

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Speaker 4: how Taraji performed, now any one individual actor was grateful

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Speaker 4: for anybody's intervention. We have to change the way that

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Speaker 4: shit works, period, all free with that off jump, I agree,

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Speaker 4: I know what they're doing, but I.

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Speaker 2: Just and that's not the part that I loved.

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Speaker 1: What I loved is that even as I sit here

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Speaker 1: across from you all, I know that I could count

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Speaker 1: on you to do the same thing. I love that

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00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: in our friendship and our family, right, that is the

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00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: expectation and the norm, not the exception. I love that

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Speaker 1: when we are on the road to thriving, because we

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00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: should already be there given all the debt that our

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Speaker 1: ancestors paye to this country.

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Speaker 2: Of course we should be there.

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Speaker 1: But on the road to get there, I have people

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Speaker 1: I can count on to fight for justice and equitable pay,

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Speaker 1: equitable accommodation's food. I know that I could count on

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Speaker 1: you all for that, and I want that for all

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Speaker 1: of our people. So I love that they have that

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Speaker 1: on such and I mean it's a classic in our community.

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Speaker 2: There's no other place.

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Speaker 3: Look at what they're going through.

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Speaker 1: They're literally living out the messages of slavery in that film.

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Speaker 1: Right If no other place there should be equitable treatment sisterhood.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, can I just say really quickly, one, I

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Speaker 3: want to testify that Angela has been that person not

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Speaker 3: just for me, not just you, but for so many people.

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Speaker 3: You make the difficult ask. You know, it's not like

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Speaker 3: you know, hey, I want to picture with somebody like

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Speaker 3: that's easy, but it's the difficult ass that you will

659
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Speaker 3: always make that call. I just wanted to take this

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Speaker 3: moment to shout out joy Read who has been that

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Speaker 3: person for me so many times, and also Tamern who

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Speaker 3: was that person for joy Like, whatever space you hold,

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Speaker 3: it is your responsibility to hold that space not just

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Speaker 3: for you, but for us all. And if you're what

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Speaker 3: what what what do you gain when you get to

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Speaker 3: a level if you are not advocating for the community

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Speaker 3: as a whole, if you're not disrupting a space to

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Speaker 3: make space for other people. And so if we can

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Speaker 3: do that again, they can't blackball us all.

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Speaker 1: I love that you shouted out some folks tip and

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Speaker 1: I know this wasn't part of it, but Drew, who's

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Speaker 1: one of those people for you?

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Speaker 4: Well, in addition to you, no, well, I'm uncomfortable, then

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Speaker 4: sit in and discover my wife has been that jay

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Speaker 4: for me. And there are a few others that I

676
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Speaker 4: would name check, but I'm not going to. What I

677
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Speaker 4: will say instead is that what I love about those

678
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Speaker 4: people who have been that for me is that they

679
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Speaker 4: know that their advocacy, maybe today on my behalf might

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Speaker 4: be incidental to me, but those examples has to exist

681
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Speaker 4: so that we can create a system that then knows

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Speaker 4: what it looks like to do this the right way.

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Speaker 4: The reason why we celebrate Oprah Taraji that example you

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Speaker 4: as example, the testimony that you gave to two mentors

685
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Speaker 4: of yours, is that right now we have to we

686
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Speaker 4: have to give folks a model because they don't see

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Speaker 4: us as fully human. And which is how you can

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Speaker 4: throw a feeding trough to professional trained actors with years

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Speaker 4: of experience and expect them to be grateful that they

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Speaker 4: have the opportunity rather than celebrated for their gifts. We know,

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Speaker 4: I think intuitively and otherwise that if we aren't changing

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Speaker 4: systems that then operate without our presence, without our physically

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Speaker 4: being there to advocate, then it was a good come

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Speaker 4: up for you. And I'm sure you'll be a mentor

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Speaker 4: to a few other people, and you will be that

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Speaker 4: set example for others, and I may be for some others,

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Speaker 4: but that's still exceptionalism. And what we want is a

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Speaker 4: rule change, base level inalienable. I was born, I breathe today.

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Speaker 4: I get this not because you like me or don't

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Speaker 4: like me, but because it's my birthright.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to shout out to people TIF thanks for

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Speaker 1: setting that standard. Jamel Hill, who's done that like to

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Speaker 1: a personal cost. Yeah, thank you, Jay, and also Geraldine

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Speaker 1: Marie but who I call coach forever in the day,

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Speaker 1: was at CNN first and now was at the Grioh.

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Speaker 1: We have a really special segment that we're going to

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Speaker 1: do every week inviting people into talk with us, to

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Speaker 1: pull up a seat at the table. The people have spoken,

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Speaker 1: They even put we haven't even submitted the graphic yet

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Speaker 1: to ask them for questions, but they put them in

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Speaker 1: our comments.

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Speaker 2: They were ready, y'all.

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Speaker 1: So some of them have asked in our commitment to

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Speaker 1: you all at Native Lampod is that you will always

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Speaker 1: have a seat. And this week we pulled a couple

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Speaker 1: of questions because we didn't have a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: We knew we were gonna have a lot to catch

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Speaker 2: up on. Well, but it's good. It's good, it's good.

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Speaker 1: And so what we're gonna ask you to do going

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Speaker 1: forward is to DM your videos to us at Native

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Speaker 1: Lampod on ig, Twitter and Facebook. But this time we

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Speaker 1: just put them in here. So the first question TIFs

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Speaker 1: and your you're so surprised.

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Speaker 2: I'll have you answer. Are you all a nineties R

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Speaker 2: and B group?

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Speaker 3: Oh listen, if you don't want to be messing with

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Speaker 3: the producers all in the video dancing in the camera,

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Speaker 3: come to death throat aka Native Lampod. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: we're not a nineties R and B group, but we

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Speaker 3: bring some of that flavor. Yes, so stay tuned because

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Speaker 3: every every week, every week, I feel like we are

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Speaker 3: like the podcast group Chat. Yes, there's every week we

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Speaker 3: It's like there's an intellectual pocket of folks out there

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Speaker 3: who can debate Middle East politics, who can talk about

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Speaker 3: global diplomacy, and who can also have an intense conversation

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Speaker 3: about who's the better lyricist jay z nas.

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Speaker 2: Or me you thank you?

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Speaker 1: And there's not even a top three now, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I those are folks we talked to. So we're

741
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Speaker 3: not an R and B group, but we can certainly

742
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Speaker 3: have an intellectual discourse about like who was the best

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Speaker 3: R and B group of the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Give me the next question slightly more serious, actually a

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Speaker 1: lot more serious.

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Speaker 2: Andrew would come to you first, do young people?

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Speaker 1: And anytime it start right there, I'm like, don't be

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Speaker 1: preaching to the young folks, But anyway, do young people

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Speaker 1: understand the implications of not voting since many are vowing

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Speaker 1: to not vote for Biden and Harris because of the

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Speaker 1: administration's policy on the Israel Hamas war.

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Do we say the same thing about women who may

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Speaker 4: vote only on choice issues, or conservatives who vote only on.

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Speaker 1: You know, but their times are young people who are

756
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Speaker 1: not voting.

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Speaker 4: A country ain't voting. I just think it's so crazy.

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Speaker 4: It's like, black folks, women, what are we doing to

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Speaker 4: win this election for Biden next cycle? You have self

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Speaker 4: selected a small group of people who happen to be

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Speaker 4: a voter who is going in and voting. Their interests

762
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Speaker 4: largely harm reduction, but the interests, and now you've made

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Speaker 4: them like we gonna win this a we're gonna lose

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Speaker 4: this way or without you. And I hate that we

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Speaker 4: do that young voters, because it's not fair. Half the

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Speaker 4: country is not voting. Let's talk to half the country.

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Speaker 4: Why have you chosen to stay out of the process

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Speaker 4: that pretty much decides everything you get to do and

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Speaker 4: moreover what you don't get to do. Yeah, right, why'd

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Speaker 4: you make that? Why are you making that choice? And

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Speaker 4: I'll just say to the Biden folks and whomever else,

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Speaker 4: it is not going to be enough to tell people

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Speaker 4: what they are to be afraid of. To win an election,

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Speaker 4: you are going to also have to give me a

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Speaker 4: reason to vote for you. So some seeds of inspiration aspiration.

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Speaker 4: Taraji ain't the only one who's tired of just surviving.

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Speaker 4: Voters period want to survive. And I mean from poorest

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Speaker 4: folks who may not know where they're sleeping tonight, to

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Speaker 4: those who get up and work all kinds of hours

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Speaker 4: a day, you know, and what they take home is

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Speaker 4: not a reflection of how hard they work. Yeah, that's true, right,

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Speaker 4: So stop blaming folks for that. It's the system that

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Speaker 4: we have designed and created. And so I would love

784
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Speaker 4: to hear some of what I talked about with us

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Speaker 4: this morning, casually was around the stimulus. What happened during COVID.

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Speaker 4: They seemed to see Americans as real people with real

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Speaker 4: needs that had to be met as we were going

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Speaker 4: through this once in a life, once in several generation crisis,

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Speaker 4: and it seemed like the government didn't want anybody to

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Speaker 4: fall through the cracks. So what they do. They made

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Speaker 4: all lunches free for all kids. They started rebating and

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Speaker 4: giving parents actually close to what it costs for a

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Speaker 4: month of childcare versus a fraction of the cost for childcare.

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Speaker 4: So I just I want the government, I want the

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Speaker 4: candidates the parties to see us treat me like i'mbo

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Speaker 4: at the table. Well, not quite, because he's not getting

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Speaker 4: the defender he deserves for a system that is corruptly

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Speaker 4: going after him. That's another topic another day. But treat

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Speaker 4: me like you care about how I live and how

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Speaker 4: I eat tonight and how I keep a roof over

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Speaker 4: my head. You mean hunter, hunter, not you're right, but

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Speaker 4: the point. But either way right, he loves it. There's

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Speaker 4: no doubt he loves and cares of all of his children.

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Speaker 4: I'm simply making the point. Put me at the table,

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Speaker 4: not me us, put us at the table. And I

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00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: know the President has this kind of empathy, but it

807
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 4: must be reflected in the fierce, unapologetic advocacy that's required

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Speaker 4: to move Washington because those policies all went away because

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Speaker 4: two Democratic senators, Senator Cinema and Manchin, said we're not

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Speaker 4: extending any of that anymore.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: They went hand over fists for corporate America tax breaks again,

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Speaker 4: extending those right, but they couldn't put up a fight

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Speaker 4: for two years of seeing too Americans essential basic needs.

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Speaker 1: This tipping point is unique for young voters, and I've

816
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Speaker 1: honestly been surprised to fit some of the ways in

817
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Speaker 1: which I've seen them galvanize around this particular issue dealing

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Speaker 1: with Israel and Palestine.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to the folks who are like, well, what.

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Speaker 1: Do you tell them to make them vote? Or do

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Speaker 1: they understand the severity of them not voting.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to say right now, there is no

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Speaker 3: evidence based thinking that they're not going to vote. When

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Speaker 3: you look at the data from the last few elections,

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Speaker 3: millennials over indexed, and I anticipate that gen zers who

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Speaker 3: are just coming into the process will likely show up,

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Speaker 3: So we don't have any proof at this point. I do, however,

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Speaker 3: understand this rejection of somebody peeing in your face and

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Speaker 3: telling you it's rainy. I think again, if everybody speaks out,

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Speaker 3: you can't blackball everybody. And I think it is hard

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Speaker 3: to look at what is happening in Gaza and not

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Speaker 3: demand a cease fire immediately. We have seen the bombing

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Speaker 3: of hospitals numerous times. We have seen the bombing of

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Speaker 3: shelters numerous times. I do think this is a nuanced

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Speaker 3: political point. I do think that President Biden is I

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Speaker 3: believe that he is trying to work with net and

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Speaker 3: Yahoo to calm the IDF. I fear what an unchecked

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Speaker 3: IDF would be doing in Gaza right now. Whatever he's

839
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Speaker 3: doing is not enough. When it comes to over five

840
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Speaker 3: thousand children dead, is not enough. The only righteous answer

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Speaker 3: is a ceasefire, even if you take away the very

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Speaker 3: complicated history of Israel. And I understand there are members

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Speaker 3: of the Jewish community who feel very strongly about this.

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Speaker 3: There are members of the Jewish community who feel very

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Speaker 3: strongly that there needs to be a ceasefire. I think

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Speaker 3: this again, you have to abandon the pre twenty sixteen playbook.

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Speaker 3: Right now, people have access to information from all across

848
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Speaker 3: the globe. We are witnessing a superpower take out a minority.

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Speaker 3: Who better understands that than black folks, especially black folks

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Speaker 3: in America. I think they are losing that messaging war.

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Speaker 3: I think they are losing the humanity of what's happening there.

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Speaker 3: And I think when history judges all the people who

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Speaker 3: have come out, and can you imagine being a Palestinian

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Speaker 3: and seeing signs everywhere saying we stand with Israel, when

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Speaker 3: your family has just been bombed, when your house has

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Speaker 3: been destroyed. It is heartbreaking to see. And I think

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Speaker 3: the only other thing that's probably more disheartening is to

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Speaker 3: acknowledge the humanity of the Palestinian people results in a

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Speaker 3: barrage of comments about being anti Semitic or very powerful

860
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Speaker 3: wealthy people trying to ostracize you. Silence you take you

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Speaker 3: from your post position arrogantly demand because I stood with

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Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter that I feel abandoned now. I would

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Speaker 3: ask what exactly did you do to stand with Black

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Speaker 3: Lives Matter? Putting a Black Lives Matter sign in your

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Speaker 3: window and wearing a T shirt is not standing with

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Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter, And clearly you misunderstood the assignment and

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Speaker 3: the message. Because we are not transactional advocates. We stand

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Speaker 3: on the side of truth and righteousness and goodness, and

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing happening in Gadza is anything but. So

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Speaker 3: to the young people who feel frustrated by that and

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Speaker 3: disheartened by that, you are not alone. We stand with you.

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00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: And to the people who are begging folks in America

873
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: to see their humanity, we see your humanity and we

874
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Speaker 3: stand with you as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tiff.

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00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: We remember to dm us your videos every week at

877
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Native lampod on ig, Twitter, and Facebook. We are taking

878
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: your questions. You always have a seat here because we

879
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: welcome you home. No nudes please, oh yes, the spirit

880
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: port please fully addressed in your questions.

881
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: We do not want to see it.

882
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to be censored in your home, but

883
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: you're censored in this home.

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00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: Yes, welcome home, fully closed.

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Speaker 1: Up next, I am sharing what has been asked of

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00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: me often for the last three years. I've finally found

887
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: the courage to tell my truth about what really happened

888
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: at CNN.

889
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: And that's after the break.

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Speaker 1: Every week we'll be sounding off on something that matters.

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00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Our first three episodes, we will provide updates on what

892
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: happened since you last saw us. I'm up first, and

893
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: my story is one that I never thought i'd tell

894
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: and sits at the intersection, frankly, of power and harassment.

895
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: So you all know that I was a commentator on

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00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: air and CNN for six years and people have consistently

897
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: asked me over the last three what really happened? There

898
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: was so much that I loved Andrew. As you know,

899
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: we developed a squad and had some really amazing segments.

900
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Some folks were like, where's Tiffany? Were like at MSNBC,

901
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: maybe one day she'll be a CNN with us.

902
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: And there was a lot that was also really hard.

903
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: There were a number of segments that we were in

904
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: that felt like Mortal Kombat, and I would be emotionally

905
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: exhausted and sometimes devastated after those segments.

906
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: But the questions nonetheless have been why did I leave,

907
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: that I get fired? Why did I disappear?

908
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: And I think that I was in denial really that

909
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: my seeming disappearance was as impactful as it was, And

910
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: I wrestled with why and how for a really long time.

911
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: In order for me to get to this moment, to

912
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Speaker 1: tell this truth and my story I have suppressed for

913
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: three years, I really had to extract my identity from

914
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: the network that provided me the platform that helped to

915
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: deepen me into my authenticity, particularly when I felt punished

916
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: for doing the same. I was reprimanded for taking conversations

917
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: that were on air onto Twitter like many others, for

918
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: sounding angry when my debate opponent challenged my credentials when

919
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: they didn't have half of them. That isn't really what

920
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: closed the door. I got a call on January twenty first,

921
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and I was told by the executive

922
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: who oversaw contributors that my contract would not be renewed

923
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: that CNN right after January sixth, a historic election where

924
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: we got our first ever black VP.

925
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: Who was a woman, and my friend would.

926
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Speaker 1: Be focusing more on COVID coverage and less on politics.

927
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: I knew it was a lie, and it was confirmed

928
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Speaker 1: when two black women were hired for half my current

929
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: contributor rate right after Over and over again, I ran

930
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: through scenarios in my mind, and I kept trying to

931
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: deny to erase one of the most embarrassing, humiliating experiences

932
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Speaker 1: I had. I've never publicly shared this, but it is

933
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: my truth and it is the time. So just ten

934
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Speaker 1: days prior to receiving that call, on January twenty first,

935
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: the darling of the network and one of the most

936
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Speaker 1: influential hosts during Jeff Zucker's tenure, was texting me about

937
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: a segment idea he had for his primetime show. Chris

938
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Cuomo was suddenly excited about a prominent regular role for

939
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: me where I would check the left. Truthfully, I had

940
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: my doubts on the genuine nature of this idea. Our

941
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: on air conversations and chemistry became something viewers looked forward to,

942
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: but Cuomo came up with this particular segment idea after

943
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: a text exchange that went woefully wrong.

944
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: I need this.

945
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: I thought a network exec had already told me they

946
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't see me as a host, despite my hosting a

947
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: very successful podcast and hosting award winning news specials on BET.

948
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: This was my chance to prove them wrong. Can't I

949
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: just ignore this indiscretion. It all began on New Year's Day,

950
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: when I posted a picture of myself looking forward to

951
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: the new year in a gold sequin bikini on Instagram.

952
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Womo screenshot the image and said Happy New Year. Tensel

953
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Crotch stunned. I read and reread the message a dozen times,

954
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: trying to understand if I somehow brought this on myself.

955
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: Since whatever you post on social spare game, right. I

956
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: teared up, Like now, then the tears flowed. I felt

957
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: like the safest place I had on a show on

958
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,959
Speaker 1: CNN had been compromised. I ignored it, just hoping it would

959
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: go away or even more, did I imagine this? But

960
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: I didn't a few hours later, he said hello. I

961
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: didn't respond for two more days, despite his plea the

962
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: next day to call because he wanted to discuss work.

963
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: I tried to punt until after the Georgia runoffs, asking

964
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: a week later if he still wanted to discuss his

965
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: work idea, despite him mentioning Tensil bikini and tensel bottom

966
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: along the way. As I think about this, it feels

967
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: so fucking small compared to what other women in the

968
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: workplace experience.

969
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: But I was afraid to speak up.

970
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: Between New Year's and my follow up, an insurrection happened

971
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, where I feared I would lose loved ones.

972
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: I felt like if I called him out, I was

973
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: risking everything I was finally starting to build with the network,

974
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: and as someone who is known for being courageous that

975
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: I cannot begin to tell you how much I.

976
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: Felt like Reaven now feel like a coward.

977
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: In ten short days, I felt like what was a

978
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: clear ride to the promised land turned into quicksand even

979
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: upon receiving the call about my contract not being renewed,

980
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: I was talking to another network about a big opportunity

981
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: and feared I would lose that work and most importantly,

982
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: the ability to reach the audiences I love in such

983
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: a critical time if I spoke up. I went over

984
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: this timeline over and over again, obsessing about whether I

985
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: was making it a bigger deal. Chris, you texted me

986
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: from a new number last year, asking if I'm mad

987
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: at you. I was, but I was really mad at myself.

988
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: I was mad at myself for not saying anything sooner

989
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: because I was lacking courage and preferring my financial well

990
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: being over my mental health, not standing up for women

991
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: who are often left powerless in these situations. I was

992
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: mad at myself for not addressing this sooner. I was

993
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: mad at myself for protecting your image with the black

994
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: women I know who loved you and look forward to

995
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: hearing your voice. I know I'm not the only one,

996
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: and truthfully, I'm mad about that too, that everyone has

997
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: given you a pass for fear of what it might

998
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: mean to hold you accountable for clearly inappropriate behavior and

999
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: overstepping I was mad at myself for shrinking in the

1000
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: face of power when people depend on me to stand

1001
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: up to speak up. This was harder for me because

1002
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: we were legitimately cool, We had a great rapport, and

1003
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: I was worried about damaging a friendship and a working

1004
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: relationship that you actually damaged. I tried to redirect you repeatedly,

1005
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: and you abuse the.

1006
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: Grace so you did not deserve. So I apologize.

1007
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: I apologize for not leaning into what I know is

1008
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: my mission and shrinking in the face of power, for

1009
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: not doing more. I apologize to every woman who needed

1010
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: a voice and I was silent. I apologized for waiting

1011
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: in the wings for opportunity that never came. Well, I

1012
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: sacrificed sixth grade wounded angela who desperately needed a protector

1013
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: in the face of bullies. I apologize for knowing how

1014
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: to be creageous, courageous, but not acting on it.

1015
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: I apologize to the people who.

1016
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: Experienced this in newsrooms, halls of Congress, the c suite,

1017
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: support staff roles, in college lecture halls.

1018
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 2: I see you, and I want you to know you're

1019
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: not alone.

1020
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: And I apologize to me for minimizing the impact this

1021
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: had on me, for wallowing and shame and should have

1022
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: could as when I just wasn't ready to acknowledge or

1023
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: speak on what it is. So no, Chris, I won't

1024
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: be a guest on your program now or later. Thank

1025
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: you for the platform. It was not worth all of

1026
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: the mental and emotional turmoil, And I thank God that

1027
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm clear about the fact that you can't take away

1028
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: a voice you never created, you or the network executives

1029
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: who enabled you. I know that I'm forever changed, not

1030
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: just by this, by what, by the journey it took

1031
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: me to get here, to be able to speak out,

1032
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: and for you all to hold this space.

1033
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: I am so grateful. Thank you.

1034
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: Wow, I am grateful to you because I know that

1035
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: was a difficult experience for you to share, and so

1036
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: you said a lot in that. So I just want

1037
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: to make sure that our viewers understood that when Chris

1038
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: sent Angela that response. Obviously I've known about this, but

1039
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: when Chris sa Angela that response, he was referencing the

1040
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: bikini and your crotch. And some people may hear that

1041
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: and think not a big deal. I have to tell you,

1042
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: as being on the receiving end of those types of

1043
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: inappropriate messages, you do panic and you have a choice

1044
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: of how to handle it. It's like, do I play

1045
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 3: Pollyanna and play it off like I didn't understand. Do

1046
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: I ignore this? Do I tell my spouse, partner, husband, boyfriend,

1047
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: friend group, do I tell somebody at the network? Do

1048
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: I confront him? I will say, Angela, we've all experienced

1049
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: something like that, as you know from civil rights leaders,

1050
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: to members of Congress, to people we know, and my

1051
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: go to response has always been to either say something

1052
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: to the person directly or ignore it, to play Pollyanna.

1053
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: I've never once, well that's not true. One time I

1054
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: did go to HR, but for the most part, I

1055
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: didn't go to As many times as it happened, I

1056
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: never went to HR. I never made a complaint, and

1057
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: I thought I was standing in the truth, especially we

1058
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: talk about Chris Cuomo, but when it comes to black men,

1059
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: it's a whole added layer to that because now I

1060
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: feel like I'm turning you over to a system that

1061
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: already punishes you, and you are punishing me, and I

1062
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: am left alone in that space. Somebody told me. My

1063
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: very good friend Elsa said this to me, and I'll

1064
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: never forget it. And she wasn't being judgmental, she was

1065
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 3: just telling me, not everyone has your constitution. Yeah, you

1066
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: know what you did by confronting this individual, You shame

1067
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: them in the moment, but left them in place to

1068
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 3: do this to other people. So I think you have

1069
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: to give yourself grace, which sounds like you are, and

1070
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: you did in getting to your truth and being comfortable

1071
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: enough to share this and two, by sharing this, you

1072
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: are telling every other person who may have experienced this

1073
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: or more from Chris or others, that your discomfort, your pain,

1074
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: you're being silenced, all of that matters, and that you

1075
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: stand with them. So, just as a woman who has

1076
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: experienced that, I just want to say thank you, and

1077
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: I want to say to the news media industry from

1078
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: CNN and everywhere else. So much of what drives these

1079
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: newsrooms is left in the hands of unchecked white man power.

1080
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 3: It is not giving a way power to have a

1081
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: more inclusive platform, is not giving a way power to

1082
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: have more inclusive executives in the boardroom. You're actually saving

1083
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 3: your bottom line. Maybe you'd save yourself a couple million

1084
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: dollars in lawsuits and complaints and litigation and employment law.

1085
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: And also just try not to be a piece of

1086
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Speaker 3: shit and do the right thing. You know that shouldn't

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01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: be a heavy lift. We managed to do it all

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Speaker 3: the time. So I just am in gratitude, and I

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01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 3: think CNN should be in gratitude for the audiences that

1090
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: you brought to their platform that they didn't give a

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01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: shit about because they centered a different demographic, but you

1092
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: introduced an entire new demographic to political minutia, and you

1093
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 3: made it relatable and interesting and always plays the path

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01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: for others. And I say shame on them for trying

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01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: to find watered down fried Mannai's versions of you to

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01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: do such things that made audiences more comfortable, because what

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01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: happened instead is when you left, a lot of youers

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01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: left with you, and they're still in an identity crisis.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for not just this story, but for

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Speaker 3: what you did in your time in the spotlight.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know this, and I've known angel a long

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 4: time and we were colleagues. She brought me into CNN.

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: We talked about our graciousness before. I'm only calling it

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 4: out because let that be the example, folks, that you

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 4: extend to hand out and up this hers badly because

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Speaker 4: I love Angela, but I'm also raising a daughter and

1107
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 4: it really terrifies me for the stupid But stupid's too

1108
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 4: trivial a word. Responsible, the disrespectful, the life altering things

1109
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 4: that we men can do too often, because you all

1110
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: can give testimony probably after testimony of it that completely

1111
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 4: alters the life of the woman. Because we couldn't demonstrate

1112
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 4: just a little bit of humanistic respect for a colleague.

1113
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: I had a young woman who worked in the office

1114
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: of the mayor who shining star, harassed by a boss,

1115
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 4: would not let me intervene, would not let the city,

1116
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 4: would not report it, picked up her life, moved to

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Speaker 4: a whole nother city, and started the search for a

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Speaker 4: new job. She would have been head of a division

1119
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: by now, all because the man who's in charge, who

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Speaker 4: she didn't certainly feel in her power to say no

1121
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 4: because she thought so, it ten fifteen years shot ahead

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 4: of her. And if I say something this, my life

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 4: change forever. Right. So, I know you've been working through this,

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01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 4: and I guess the short version of it is, you

1125
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: didn't deserve your bikini shot. Is your joy, is your business,

1126
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 4: it ain't nobody else's business, and it absolutely is not

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01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: an invitation for someone to disrespect you. You and I

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01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: both know, Chris, and the reason why you were you

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 4: mentioned hurt, was because you were friends and that relationship

1130
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 4: you didn't want to have to release, and that relationship

1131
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 4: was able to get that way with you a little

1132
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 4: because you knew him to be a good guy and

1133
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 4: a person who respected you. And the truth is is

1134
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 4: that two things can be true at once. I know

1135
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: that's true for me, it's true for you if we

1136
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 4: were all to have it in this moment, and your

1137
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 4: testimony to me is a level up for all of

1138
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 4: us in listening ear that we have to check ourselves,

1139
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 4: be aware, and it don't have to be that hard.

1140
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: It really doesn't. But I thank you for your testimony,

1141
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 4: and I just pray with you that grace continues to

1142
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: abound because you didn't do a thing to invite or

1143
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 4: to deserve sexualize disrespect.

1144
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: Can I have a question? You were talking about your

1146
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: exit from CNN. What is the correlation. Do you think

1147
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: this had something to do with your EGEA that it

1148
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: was ten days apart?

1149
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I also want to say, you need evidence,

1150
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 4: you need an email, you don't need the back channel change,

1151
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 4: you don't need anything.

1152
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: Well, he was brutally cold when I told him that

1153
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: they didn't re I'm.

1154
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 4: Not interested for I'm telling you right now because this

1155
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 4: is part of the revictimizing that we do when we

1156
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 4: call on the victim to tell us, well do are

1157
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: you now going further to suggest that because of that thing,

1158
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: then this thing happened? Because if A did, then C

1159
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 4: result from EMPTYB. And I'm telling you that ain't your

1160
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 4: job to piece that together.

1161
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that part of what I was

1162
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: saying is I was like, look, I would go back

1163
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: and look at these text as it is in the timeline,

1164
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: over and over again, trying to make sense of it.

1165
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know whether it happened or not, but

1166
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: that is certainly what I believe.

1167
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 2: Now it's ten days apart.

1168
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: The darling of the network, the person who, when he

1169
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: was released, blew that thing up. Everybody knows about Jeff

1170
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: and Allison because he blew that thing up. Right, at

1171
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: least those are the optics. So if you have that

1172
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: much influence to tear that bitch down, you leave. Certainly

1173
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: my little contract.

1174
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 3: Can I ask again, and I'm not trying to revictimized by.

1175
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: Any means I'm not taking.

1176
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 3: Did you outside of that incident, did you feel respected

1177
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 3: by the network?

1178
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: I think that that's yes and no.

1179
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: I think every time there was a moment that went

1180
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: viral that wasn't planned, because my moment I had that

1181
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: was viral was planned, they would send thank you congratulations.

1182
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: There were moments of racism.

1183
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: On air where producers apologized for some of the things

1184
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: that happened I think largely yes, more often than not.

1185
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 2: Yes, but there were certainly issues along the way.

1186
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I told you, And I was like, I

1187
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: started seeing my attitude.

1188
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 2: What I didn't really realize.

1189
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: Is the attitude was a guard and a bracing for

1190
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: when I had to be on air with him, Like,

1191
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: what is he gonna say now that I'm on here?

1192
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: Are you going to send me another message?

1193
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: Even the fair game point that I mentioned, he actually

1194
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: said that me posting that picture meant it was fair

1195
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: game because I told him to leave my keeny out

1196
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: of it. It's like fair game, chump.

1197
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 3: So look, I think this is a good lesson for

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01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, our listeners out there. In your mind, it

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01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: might be a joke. In your mind, it might be harmless.

1200
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: In your mind, it might be fair game. It is not.

1201
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: It is not. You know, think about how we received

1202
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: those comments. In most cases, we are not as physically

1203
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: strong as a man, you know, So there's already a

1204
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: power dynamic. You are a host at this network. Angela

1205
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 3: is a contributor. He was like this with Jeff Sucker.

1206
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: They were super close. Angela. You're not calling Jeff Zucker like, hey,

1207
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: you want to get lunch in the Hamptons this weekend.

1208
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: That wasn't your relationship. So the power dynamic is off,

1209
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: and what that does to us. I just don't think

1210
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 3: people always realize that, and so I hope this testimony

1211
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: is a lesson to people. Even if you disagree, you

1212
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: gotta paint whatever. Take it as a lesson, you know,

1213
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 3: decide to the side of caution when thinking. There's a

1214
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 3: civil rights leader who used to call me and say,

1215
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: I just want to talk to the twins, referring to

1216
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 3: my breast. No, and he I think he always thought

1217
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 3: it was a joke, and I would honestly laugh it off.

1218
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, you stupid, Okay, anyway, and move on.

1219
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: Because I did not want to have a dynamic with

1220
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: him that would lead to something else, you know, so

1221
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 3: I would always try to operate above board. I never

1222
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 3: cursed him out or went off on him or anything

1223
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 3: like that. And we work you know very well who

1224
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: it is y'all used to work together. But that's a

1225
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 3: story for another day. You maybe maybe I'll tell this story. Yes, well,

1226
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 3: but look, and that's another thing. Each week we will

1227
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 3: tell our stories. I certainly have a lot of stories

1228
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 3: to tell about the network. You'll hear my story next week.

1229
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: But I guess why I'm asking those questions too, is

1230
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 3: because I want people to know how we're treated by

1231
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 3: these places and the fights that we fight to show

1232
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: up and hold the line for our not just for

1233
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 3: the craft. I mean, you know, journalism has been something

1234
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,440
Speaker 3: that's been iant important to my life, but for the community,

1235
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 3: or the democracy, for the country, for the globe, for

1236
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: our humanity, all those things matter. And so while Angela

1237
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 3: was doing that, to be subjected to that and whatever

1238
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: other disrespect you experienced there, I think as an outsider,

1239
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 3: I did feel like you were disrespected by the network.

1240
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 3: I felt like you did a lot for the network

1241
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 3: and never really got the praise. And you have to

1242
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: prove yourself so much like y'all will pluck any has

1243
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 3: been who gives a shit Republican and give them a show,

1244
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 3: or you'll take somebody who is not, you know, in

1245
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 3: media or not on the serious side of media. But

1246
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I can take a black person who

1247
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 3: is an entertainer and give them a show, but somebody

1248
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 3: who who is articulate, a law school graduate, former executive

1249
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 3: director of the Congressional Black Caucus, business owner, all of

1250
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 3: those things can be intimidating to people somehow. You have

1251
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: to prove yourself. The dude who can, you know, make

1252
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 3: a killer jump shot, ain't got approve himself. But the

1253
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: person who is intellectually I think, very capable of discussing

1254
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: most things and driving conversation has to prove yourself to

1255
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 3: earn a spot there. So I could go on about

1256
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: this for a long time. You know, I have a

1257
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 3: lot of thoughts on how the media is run. But

1258
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: I know we're getting into probably our eight.

1259
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: Week, so I know we are. Yeah, give us, give

1260
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 4: us grace. What I It's a serious topic. I am

1261
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 4: struggling all the bouncing between my ears about this what

1262
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 4: we invite and then what becomes fair game. And I

1263
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 4: hope that I'm gonna share a little bit of this

1264
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: too during my testimony about that whole idea. I used

1265
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 4: this analogy earlier. You decide you want to go to

1266
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 4: a club because you want to hear music or whatever

1267
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 4: your motivation want to be, and you look in great

1268
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 4: right stunner, and someone at that club decides that they're

1269
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: going to slip your drink a quelude or whatever it

1270
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 4: is that causes them to knock you out. And then

1271
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 4: take advantage of you. Is it then the choice that

1272
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 4: you made? Is it your fault? Is it now fair

1273
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 4: game that whatever happened after that drink is your responsibility

1274
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 4: because you put yourself in the situation that isn't the

1275
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 4: situation you put yourself in front of. You put yourself

1276
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: in front of advancement off of proven deliverable work, your

1277
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 4: work product. You didn't invite anything else, and on your

1278
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 4: Instagram you can do whatever the hell you want to do.

1279
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 4: Just why some people know to DM you because they

1280
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: know that if it were for public eyes, it would

1281
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 4: not be appropriate. If you have the discernment enough to

1282
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: know that you can't go in that timeline and write

1283
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 4: that m hm.

1284
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

1285
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 4: Then you know the difference between what's appropriate and what

1286
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 4: is not appropriate. So invitation isn't an invitation until I

1287
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 4: extend it to you.

1288
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,839
Speaker 3: That's a good point. Because he didn't make that comment

1289
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 3: on Instagram publicly, it was on text.

1290
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again but that's we know. We are running

1291
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 4: these traps in our head.

1292
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you run that trap, run one more.

1293
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 4: Do you respect that person as a colleague or do

1294
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 4: you acknowledge that they are a colleague? And possibly your

1295
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 4: actions can deteriorate, destroy cause monumental shifts in the lives

1296
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 4: of the other person. Now most of us aren't that

1297
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 4: selfless to do that, but we I think we owe

1298
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 4: ourselves in our listeners a real more fulsome conversation on

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Speaker 4: these boundaries and what we invite. Yeah, because a lot

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Speaker 4: of us got it twisted that if you put it

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Speaker 4: in the public space, it's fair game. Whatever that is,

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Speaker 4: I can take it to the most humiliating, disgusting extremes

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Speaker 4: because you wore a bathing suit that everybody wears.

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Speaker 2: Well, this was heavy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you all for creating the space and holding space.

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Speaker 1: But we did promise our listeners that every week we

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Speaker 1: can't help. But when we get together, it's not just

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Speaker 1: a talk show. We also have a call to action.

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Speaker 1: So if you had to give the listeners of Native

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Speaker 1: Lamp Pod one thing to go off and do when

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Speaker 1: they turn this off, not until the benediction, but when

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Speaker 1: they turn it off, what would it be?

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Speaker 4: Post and recruit five of your friends, arride with five,

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Speaker 4: ride with five and subscribe. Download Oh you got bars

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Speaker 4: like the Native Lamb podcast, Because I honestly believe going

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Speaker 4: religious you were chosen for such a time as this

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Speaker 4: to do the work that we are going to do,

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Speaker 4: because if we don't do it, that work will never

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Speaker 4: be done. We weren't brought through it, to it and

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Speaker 4: through it to sit on the miracle of it. Somebody

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Speaker 4: on the listening side has to know that if I

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Speaker 4: take a courageous step, there's life after Yeah, share it,

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Speaker 4: arrive a five, y'all download.

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Speaker 3: I like that mine is a little bit. I kind

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Speaker 3: of talked about this a little earlier. I would say,

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Speaker 3: after you post, follow and do all the things with

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Speaker 3: Native Landpod, get the fuck off your phones, Okay, be present.

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Speaker 3: Stop scrolling through Instagram for hours looking at nonsense. Stop

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Speaker 3: talking at brunch about celebrity gossip. Stop talking stop. If

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Speaker 3: you're doing that, at least spend as much time talking

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Speaker 3: about shit that matters. It's a consequential time. If you

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Speaker 3: sitting around, like Kat William said, what and they broke

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Speaker 3: up with who and who did this? That's fine. We

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Speaker 3: do that in our group chat too sometimes. I mean

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about you know, pop culture for sure.

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Speaker 3: If that's the bulk of your conversation, take a look

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Speaker 3: at what's happening around you, not just here in America,

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Speaker 3: but across the globe, give a shit about something other

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Speaker 3: than filters. You know, have some curiosity about what is

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Speaker 3: happening in your community. Read an article from a reputable outlet,

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Speaker 3: read a book that is edifying to you. And I

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Speaker 3: don't mean to sound judg mental again, you guys, I

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Speaker 3: get on the shits too, you know, like, I'm here

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Speaker 3: for some of it, but it cannot dominate my life.

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Speaker 3: And the next time you're out with your friends at

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Speaker 3: brunch and I look at all these tables and everybody's

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Speaker 3: looking down at their phones. Nobody's looking at each other.

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Speaker 3: Just stay off your phones, connect with the people around

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Speaker 3: You're doing something interesting looking at what everybody else is doing.

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Speaker 3: So just put that aside. I think these smartphones have

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Speaker 3: ruined so much about society, Like, just get off and

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Speaker 3: be present.

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Speaker 1: Tip said, get a flip phone. Mine mine is.

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Speaker 2: To please not.

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Speaker 1: They challenge us regularly not to parent talking points, which

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Speaker 1: we do not do. That criticism gets really old. But

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Speaker 1: I would actually challenge y'all to do the same. Please

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Speaker 1: do not parrot talking points. The thing that you read

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Speaker 1: that maybe went viral, that you thought sounds real dope.

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Speaker 1: Challenge that thing stress stress test that, even if it's

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Speaker 1: from us, fact check that thing right, Like, really do

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Speaker 1: your own research and really decide what is the truth

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Speaker 1: for you. I think that's so important in this day

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Speaker 1: and age. Before we sign off, I want to remind

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Speaker 1: y'all to subscribe to Native lampod right now and check

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Speaker 1: us out on YouTube. New episodes drop every single Thursday.

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Speaker 1: You can follow us on social media. We are Angela Raie,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillumed.

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Speaker 4: The social media app on my phone today.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, there are two hundred and ninety eight days until

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Speaker 1: election day.

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home.

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: favorite shows.