1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Questions that we have, questions that we hope get answered 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: this offseason. Welcome Bird Gang on today's show, Paul Cobs, 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: He joins me, the off season is always full of questions. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: But what do we think is the biggest question on offense? 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: On defense? But first, a more important question? How is 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: your German? 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: Paul? 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight forty three, and it 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: starts now. 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Bud to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: He's a the ten half of five. He's it again 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: some more hurry magic whow. 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo. 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Going to try to speak something into existence here. Have 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: you been to Germany? Paul? 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: No, The closest I've been as a German restaurant in Appleton, 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: Wisconsin with Ron Wolfley. Does that count sadly? 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: No? It does not. Would you like to go? Sure? 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: What what is I mean? 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: You know? 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: I mean Craig and we're pretty tight here, But what 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: do you mean I mean, you know, Bestie's traveling, you know, international, 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: what's going on here? 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: I can't extend an invitation. Okay, but your good friend Roger, 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a first name basis with the commissioner 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: of the National Football League. Roger Goodell could invite you. 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: That's true. He did call me Polly Pigskin. 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: That is a fact. 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: It happened on stage. Wait a second, you know, really 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: it did. It did a few years ago. A proof 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: of this is there audio of this. The last time 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: Cardinals host of the Super Bowl Super Bowl fifty seven, 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: Paully pencil Neck had to MC this deal and included 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. On 39 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: a one point, I referred to myself as Polly Pigskin, 40 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: and then he picked up on it and called me 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Polly Pigskin for the rest of the proceedings. So and yes, 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: twice in the last two years, three years, we have 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: I have had a one on one interview with the 44 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: Komish can't quite call him Roge. Though not there yet. 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Okay, well, maybe in twenty twenty five, there'll be another 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: interview between you and the commissioner. Because if you didn't 47 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: see this news earlier on Wednesday, but the league announced 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: that the Indianapolis Colts are the designated team for the 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: International Game in Germany, specifically in Berlin, Germany. The first 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: regular season game to be played in Berlin will feature 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. They're giving up a home game. Now, 52 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: of course you're connecting the dots. Well, what does this 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: get to do with the Cardinals. The Arizona Cardinals traveled 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. That is one of the road opponents this season. 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: So again I ask, would you like to go to Germany? 56 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: I've never been. Is your passport up to date? Because 57 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: there is a possibility that the Arizona Cardinals play the 58 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts in Berlin. 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: So I would get in just under the wires since 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: the passport has an expiration of ten years and Cardinals 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: went to London twenty seventeen, So yeah, I guess technically 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: I would make it. Now let's see here, let's let's 63 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: reverse engineer this a little bit. So Cardinals at the 64 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: Colts for the joint practice this last training camp, JG. 65 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 3: Shane Steichen. They're tight from the Philadelphia days, so maybe 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: there's a little bit in there Cardinals. It's been a 67 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: while since they've been to Europe, so maybe they would 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: be due. I know the NFL has allowed eight international 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: games through twenty twenty five. That's one of the reasons 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: there's a lot of speculation that effective twenty twenty six, 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: it could become an eighteen game regular season. Everybody gets 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: an international game and there's two bys. But until then, yeah, 73 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: I could see, I could see where you're You're connecting 74 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: the dots right now, Craig, well done. 75 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Now there's one other dot that needs to be connected, 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: because I do think the Cardinals have an advantage as 77 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: far as the roster is concerned. Tied in Bernard Psychovists. 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: Yes, the mandatory psycho. This is where it pays off 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 3: the five year investment with the international player Bernhard Seche who, 80 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: by the way, can I just say walking off the 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 3: field as part of the media contingent Week eighteen before 82 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: the Cardinals season finale, we're walking off the field and 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 3: the tight ends are working on that near end zone. 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: Bernhard Psychovitz made a ridiculous one handed grab in the 85 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 3: end zone during practice. I mean, remember the old anecdotes 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: about Larry Fitzgerald. Some of the best catches he made 87 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: were in practice man Alan Iverson's style, and nobody ever 88 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: got to see him, or maybe they happen in preseason, 89 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: which did happen and they never ever counted in is total. 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 3: Bernard Sugovitz made a ridiculous one handed grab and you're like, wow, 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: he has come a long way in making the adjustment 92 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: to the NFL from what was glorified high school football. 93 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, his caliber of football that 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: he was exposed to, you know, when he was playing 95 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: for the Vienna Vikings in Austria. So man, that would 96 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: be great, that that would be And you know what, 97 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: that would make a lot of sense for the NFL. 98 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: They love to have someone who's fluent in the local 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: language and could be that point person. And and you 100 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: know what, he's a massive dude. I mean he he would, 101 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: he would central casting, he would walk in and yes, 102 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: he immediately he looks like an NFL player. 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: He's not from Germany, but Vienna, Austria is not that 104 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: far away. And yes he does speak fluent German. You 105 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: hear a lot of it in the locker room, Paul. 106 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: I mean he's trying to get those tight ends to 107 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: learn German. He's taught you a couple of words. I 108 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: don't know if phrases are the accurate, but maybe a 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: couple of words maybe maybe not suitable for air here 110 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: on Cardinals cover too. 111 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: It's because we tried our I team investigation into he 112 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: was teaching Jeff Swain two years ago, okay, and Swain 113 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: was really coming along. He was a pupil, according to 114 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: Bernard Psychowitz. And so then I got these guys on 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 3: camera a little bit to give us you know, how 116 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: far along was Jeff swam And you know he isn't 117 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: usually shy in front of the cameras, but his confidence 118 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: level wasn't real high at that point with the German language. 119 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: So again there is a possibility. We know London is 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: not going to be an option because they've already announced 121 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: the home teams for those games. Jaguars will play twice 122 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: in London, the Jets and the Browns, and the Cardinals 123 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: don't visit either one of those teams. Now, the other 124 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: option is Spain. They've yet to announce the designated team 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: for Spain. It will be an AFC team, which I 126 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: learned earlier this morning. Because the AFC in odd number 127 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: of years have the nine home games in even number 128 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: of years. It's the NFC. This is I can first, 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm this out there. Pro Football Talk had an article 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: up and I read this like, okay, so it's an 131 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: AFC team. So you're looking at the Cardinals schedule. They 132 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: played the Texans in Houston, they played the Bengals in Cincinnati. 133 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: Those will be the other options as far as potential teams. 134 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Maybe if it's the Texans or the Bengals going to Spain, 135 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: in which the Cardinals might head to Spain. 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: You wouldn't have to ask me twice on that one. 137 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: I've got a preference Germany Spain. 138 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: That would you know, as someone who's done very little 139 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: traveling abroad, No, I would not just point me in 140 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: the direction of when the team playing Boards and Ill 141 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: it would be all good, But that whole have you 142 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: seen the stadium in Madrid that's going to It's I mean, 143 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 3: you talk about high tech, like this soccer pitch actually 144 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: collapses down and it gets replaced with this hydraulic football 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: field that comes up and into it is really slick 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: and really innovative, and apparently Spain is really serious about 147 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: being a permanent site of at least one game per 148 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: year as the NFL continues this international push, and don't 149 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: think for a minute that this isn't one of the 150 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: key initiatives league wide is to grow the game, get 151 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: a global footprint, and so far they've identified especially Germany, 152 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: there is a real appetite after the Berlin Thunder, for example, 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: and part of NFL Europe, they were really popular back 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: in the day. You know, Roger Goodell admitted that when 155 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: they first two years ago first opened up ticket sales, 156 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: the ticket sale online component, the platform had over a 157 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: million people in Q. Wow, over a million people were 158 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: waiting attempting to buy seventy thousand tickets and that's where 159 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: the NFL. That was an eye opener for the NFL, like, Wow, 160 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: we knew the demand was robust, we didn't realize the 161 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: appetite was quite that insatiable. And so you've slowly but 162 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: surely seen supply meeting demand in Germany and they're increasing 163 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: the number of games. 164 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Oh. Then, I don't think there's any question you brought 165 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: it up already. Once this league does go to an 166 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: eighteen game regular season schedule with potentially two buys, so 167 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: that's twenty weeks. There is going to be at least 168 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: that's the goal. I can I'm not gonna say, I 169 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: don't want to manifest it, but the goal is to 170 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: have at least one international game each week during the 171 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: regular season. 172 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: The CBA expires after the twenty twenty nine season, but 173 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: they're working diligently and furiously behind the scenes or the 174 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: players Association try and revise that CBA, get the players 175 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: on board. Obviously they would cut them into their revenue 176 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: slice of the pie. And then you know what happens 177 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: is you get x number of games in different countries 178 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: in Europe and beyond. We know the NFL series about 179 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 3: Mexico City once they renovate Stadium Azteca, and then also 180 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: Brazil that was very popular, that was met with a 181 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: lot of demand as well. And then all of a sudden, 182 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: the TV packages come into play. You know the BBC, 183 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 3: you know Sky Network, you know different you know Telemundo 184 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: or Univision, so all these and that's where it becomes 185 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: really profitable as well. And that once again is how 186 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: you grow the game. 187 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: International and then flag football two huge initiatives that are 188 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: league main topics for the NFL to grow the game. 189 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: So we'll see again we will try to speak it 190 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: into existence and then if it does happen, then Paul, 191 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: you got to work on your German to make sure 192 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: that I expect at least one sideline hit in German 193 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: like blanket on the official who had there was a referee? Oh, 194 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: it was blanket on the name the they did a 195 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: did a penalty call in either German or or was 196 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: it Brazil? What is it the week one game in 197 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Brazil in Portuguese Sean Hockey. Yeah, our producer Jim Sean 198 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: hockey Ley did it. 199 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: Son of guns as we call him, Seawan Hockeley. So look, 200 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: the real guy you need to bring in here is 201 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: the guy with the last name of Wolfley. Okay, with 202 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: a name like Wolfley. Ask him all the questions about Germany. 203 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: Make him the point person one b behind Bernhard's Psyche 204 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: of its. 205 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: Speaking of questions, our main topic here on Cardinals Cover 206 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: two presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 207 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on Germany, but if the Arizona 208 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals are that team and we're looking have that game 209 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: overseas and obviously the goal pall for the Arizona Cardinals 210 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Besides an overseas game is to 211 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: get to I think at least double digits and wins. 212 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: You need at least ten wins in a seventeen game 213 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: regular season schedule to even be considered a playoff team. Yes, 214 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: sometimes nine will get you in, but I think on 215 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: the safe bet you need ten. All right, So the 216 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: Cardinals finished with eight, they're two wins away. But if 217 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: you're looking at what we think is the biggest question 218 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: marks within this team offense, defense, or maybe it's something else, 219 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: the biggest question that you have that you hope gets 220 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: answered for the Arizona Cardinals here this offseason and full 221 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: disclosure Berg game. Paul and I didn't discuss this ahead 222 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: of time. I like to do it kind of freelance 223 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: here and try to free flowing discussion. I've got my ideas, 224 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure Paul has his. But as far as your 225 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: biggest question offense or defense that you hope gets answered, 226 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: gets addressed, or that you have, you're like, Okay, you 227 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: solve this question, you answer this question, then yeah, that 228 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals team is going to get to that ten eleven 229 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: win mark. Okay. 230 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: The first thing that comes to mind would be red 231 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: zone but that's kind of game plan, you know, specific, 232 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: and maybe that's drolling down a little too deep, but 233 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: you know, you had the game at Minnesota that was 234 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: critical late in the year. You went one for six 235 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: in the red zone. You know at the Rams you 236 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: went one for four in the red zone. You like 237 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: to think with Kyler Murray and his mobility, you can 238 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: have this sort of success that Baltimore does with Lamar Jackson, 239 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: and they've led the league or been near the league 240 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: leaders in red zone efficiency and touchdown ratio. The other 241 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: one that comes to mind immediate the downfield passing attack, 242 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: trying to be the shell coverage. We've talked extensively about 243 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: that and that's been something that defenses have want to 244 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: do against Kyler Murray pretty much the entirety of his career. 245 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: But I think I would land on continuing to build 246 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: from the inside out and in particular bolster the two 247 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: guard positions in the off season. Paris Johnson Junior. I mean, 248 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: he's on the verge of being a pro bowler. Jonah Williams, 249 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: when healthy was really good. He held a frol at 250 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: a great season. You know there's a reason you extended him. Now, 251 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 3: can you solidify those two guard spots. What is the 252 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: future will Hernandez coming off the knee injury plus his 253 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: contract situation, that remains to be seen. But in particular 254 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: I think Craig, if you go after the bye, what 255 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: was the first game after the bye you had to 256 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: go against Leonard Williams and what did Leonard Williams do? 257 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: JG said it. Mike McDonald agreed, he wrecked the game. 258 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 3: He had two and a half sacks, he had three 259 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: tackles for loss, he had four quarterback hits, he had 260 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: six tackles of pass defense. He had nine pressures on 261 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: thirty two pass rushes. Ninety nine for Seattle was a 262 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: problem and maybe even the difference in the game. So 263 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: there's that There's this Rams defensive front that is young 264 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: and talented Byron Young, Kobe Turner, Brayden Fisk, and then 265 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: the Niners. Niners believe in defensive line play, maybe more 266 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: than any team in the league. Kyle Shanahan has been 267 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: really open about that. GM John Lynch. They throw a 268 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: lot of assets at d line, including big money in 269 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: Javon Hargrave. It didn't really work out for him and 270 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: why they ever traded to Forrest Buckner, I have no 271 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: idea that did not work out for him. And then 272 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: you look at the road opponents, and you go against 273 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: teams like Houston with a really good front and Indianapolis. 274 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: You want to talk about the Colts to Forrest Buckner 275 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: and the Grover Stewart that nose tackle number ninety dudes 276 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: the wrecking ball. So to me, I would say, if 277 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: you could answer one question four to fy the interior 278 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: O line, which I think solidifies the entire offensive line 279 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: at this point. And now it's just hashtag pound game. 280 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: Here we go. 281 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: You already got a top ten run game, James Connor, 282 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: Trey Benson. Let's go line it up. And here's the 283 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: other thing. Kyler's numbers under pressure were markedly different than 284 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: he wasn't when he wasn't under pressure like a lot 285 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: of quarterbacks, and in his size, the interior pass rush 286 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: that's always problematic. So if you can really give k 287 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: one that sense of confidence and give him three seconds 288 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: to throw the ball boom, I think this offense takes 289 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: the next step. 290 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: That last point there, because what we've seen in the 291 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: past is that pressure up the middle has really bothered Kyler. 292 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: He can out maneuver outrun the edge and if that 293 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: tackle has a breakdown, Kyler handles that pretty well. But 294 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: it's when that pressure comes straight up the middle that's 295 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: when it becomes, to your word problematic. So yeah, whether 296 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: it's the left guard or the right guard, feel real 297 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: good about Yell Defrohold. Now the question is you brought 298 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez Evan Brown is also a free agent to 299 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: be Isaiah Adams. You've been talking about him late this season, 300 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: how well he looked, and how much the coaches liked 301 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: what they saw on film when they reviewed the games 302 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: that he started late in the season. Is he an 303 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: answer at one of those positions? And then you go out, 304 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: do you resign Will? Do you resign Evan? Do you 305 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: look on that free agent market to bring a bigger name, 306 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: meaning higher price, a little bit of a splash if 307 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: you will, along the offensive line to really fortify the interior, 308 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: because again, I think on the tackles you are pretty 309 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: solid with what you have, even if you do elect 310 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: to bring back Kelvin Beacham as a swing tackle. Christian 311 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: Jones played well, but it's the pressure up the middle 312 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: that really becomes an issue. That goes back to Aaron 313 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Donald and we saw how much of a factor he 314 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: was against Kyler Murray, and now we're seeing in it 315 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: with other teams. Because to beat Kyler Murray, it's to 316 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: get hands in the face, up the middle, you get 317 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: him outside the pocket. Well, now all of a sudden, 318 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: his vision is completely clear. 319 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: So coming out of the by, just found this stack. 320 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: So remember we talked about it last month coming out 321 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: of the bye weeks twelve, thirteen, and fourteen. So that 322 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: was at Seattle at Minnesota. Remember you led that game 323 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 3: nineteen to six, late third quarter, and then Seattle back 324 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: at home in week fourteen. Kyler going into the by 325 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: had three interceptions. In those three games, he had five interceptions. 326 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: All of them came when he was under pressure. Under 327 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: pressure in those three games, he was seven to twenty 328 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: seven for fifty nine yards passing, no touchdowns, five picks. 329 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 3: So once again, and you can look at Matthew Stafford's numbers. 330 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: I remember this vividly, you know, called the game week 331 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: seventeen at the Rams. His numbers under pressure and when 332 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 3: not under pressure are night and day. And he's a 333 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: sixteen year veteran who has a Super Bowl ring. It's 334 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: just the way it is with quarterbacks in the NFL. 335 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 3: So there's that, And you're right, Isaiah Adams. If they 336 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: went out and let's say they either use a first 337 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: or second round pick on a guard, I mean, you 338 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: got to be a dude if you're going to be 339 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: taken in the first or second round and you're a 340 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: guard and he's plug and play, and they go with 341 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: Isaiah Adams and one of those guard spots would not 342 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: be shocked a based on what they think of him, 343 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 3: the way he played those last few games, and he's 344 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: been making gains in the weight room, and a real 345 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 3: big offseason by Isaiah Adams, you know, spend the off 346 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: season in the squad rack and boom because he has 347 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: a skill set, He has a athleticism, he has the length. 348 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: Now if he can just get the raw power. And 349 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 3: the last thing I'll throw out is what the Carolina 350 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 3: Panthers did. You're wondering, Okay, wait a minute, how did 351 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: chew Behubbard run for all those yards? And when the 352 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 3: Cardinals went to Carolina late in the air well, they 353 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: ran behind their twenty million dollars per year guard Robert Hunt. 354 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: Rob Hunt is guy they got from Tampa. They paid 355 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: big money, talking everyone going into that game and after 356 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 3: the game, he's put some really physical play on film, 357 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: and if the Cardinals were to target that sort of 358 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 3: player and free agency, that would make a lot of 359 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: sense for me. 360 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: On offense, I went with a position group and I'm 361 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: more curious than having questions. But I'm looking at that 362 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver room because for the second straight offseason, it's 363 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: a question mark for me, not who is number one? 364 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: You solve that. I truly believe you solved number one 365 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: in Marvin Harrison Junior. Yeah, his numbers were not what 366 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: we anticipated. I fully expect a huge leap from year 367 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: one to year two. I'm just wondering about whose number two? 368 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: Whose number three is Michael Wilson, that guy he admitted 369 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: late in the season, Darren Urbin talked to him on 370 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: Azycardinals dot Com about his numbers. Wasn't pleased with his production, 371 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: didn't like his total numbers. So, okay, do you upgrade there? 372 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: Does Michael become more of a possession receiver? And then 373 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: the talk that we keep hearing from those that played 374 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: the game like a Kyle Vannenbosch and or Rob Fredrickson 375 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: a speed receiver. Now, my only question with that Paul is, Okay, 376 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: you bring in a John Brown type, someone who can 377 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: take the top off, as they like to say. All right, 378 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: if this is a run first offense and then tight 379 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: end Trey McBride is your number one pass catcher. How 380 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: do you figure in a speed receiver within this offense 381 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: or is that part of the discussion this offseason where 382 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: maybe you tweak a little offensively to kind of have 383 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: that downfield passing attack that we keep bringing up. Yet 384 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: at the same time, it doesn't seem like it was 385 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: that big of a deal to some of the coaches 386 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: based off their responses. We all thought it was. But 387 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: is there a happy medium there as far as to 388 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: get this offense not more balanced? It was pretty balanced 389 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: as it was forty five to fifty five as far 390 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: as run to pass, but just more explosive. I think 391 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: that's what this offense overall has been missing, those explosive plays. 392 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: Is that a speed receiver or is that year two 393 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: with Marvin Harrison Junior working with Kyler Murray. 394 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 3: It's a great question. It's a legitimate question. There's no doubt. 395 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, he repeatedly mentions explosives as a key to 396 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: the game. Both defending them and creating them as an offense. Now, 397 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 3: another axiom of the JG era has been no block, 398 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: no rock. So if you get a speed guy like 399 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 3: a John Brown, you can't typically rely on them in 400 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: the run game. At times that can become a tell 401 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 3: depending on personnel and who's out there. But at other times, 402 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 3: look at how Greg Dorsch works underneath, look at how 403 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 3: Trey McBride works underneath. So if you want to create 404 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: some more room underneath, take the top off, stretch the field. 405 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 3: Kyle Vannenboss J Feeley, they're both of that opinion. So yes, 406 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: there's definitely room for a burner. You know, a four 407 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: to two eight guy that maybe you get in round 408 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 3: four or five that's sort of raw talent who at 409 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 3: least defenses have to respect the speed. And I think 410 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 3: there is room for that, and I think maybe that 411 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 3: is a way in which this offense evolves, no doubt 412 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 3: about it. You know what creates some room for tip Ryman, 413 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, get out of the way, throw 414 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: him a tight end screen some someone deep, send those 415 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: safeties out of the box and then let tip Ryman, 416 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: you know. 417 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: Create there is a speed receiver on this roster. Xavier 418 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: Weaver does have that sub four to three speed based 419 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: off the numbers that he did at the Pro at 420 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: his pro day coming out of Colorado. There has to 421 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: be a reason, Paul, why they kept him as an 422 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent, didn't expose him. They made him a 423 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: part of that fifty three man roster inactive until late 424 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: in the season. There's got to be something there that 425 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: they liked. Does he become that guy or is he 426 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: to your point, maybe just too raw, too young, and 427 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: they further need to develop him into that guy. 428 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: You know what, he made a lot of plays in camp, 429 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: came out of nowhere, made the team. 430 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: I asked a. 431 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: Little bit towards the end of the year about Xavier Weaver. 432 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: They said, he's one of those guys who, in practice, 433 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: you know, Scout team has made some of the Cardinals 434 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: starters look stupid. Like he's made some really good He's 435 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: sort of like a Greg Dortch three years ago, making 436 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: a name for himself on scout team and just getting 437 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: it done. And you saw I got an opportunity late 438 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: in the year. He got a few deep targets late 439 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: in the year. Couldn't Corralum did draw a flag on 440 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: one of them. I think that's the next step. Those 441 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 3: plays he's making in practice against Cardinals starters, can he 442 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: now get that confidence to do it in the game. 443 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: And yes, I could see him emerging. I did not 444 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: realize he was a sub four to three guy. I 445 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: knew he was quick to Google Google search it shows up. 446 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: So again, that's that's interesting. It's sort of like Starling 447 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: Thomas in the Big Red Rage last month said yeah, 448 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: my pro day, I'm getting invited to the combat my 449 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 3: pro day, I ran a four to two eight, and 450 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: here it is. He had video evidence of it. I 451 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: just didn't realize Starling Thomas was a sub four to 452 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: three guy. So so to your point, there's a reason 453 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 3: these guys are kept around on the roster because they 454 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 3: see upside. They see maybe some raw talent, a little 455 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: underutilized or played, you know, a smaller role in college, 456 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: but room to grow and potential to have an impact 457 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: in a role in this Cardinals offense next season. 458 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's switch it up defense. Without even talking 459 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: to you ahead of time, I mean, I think the 460 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: biggest question is the pass rush. Whatever iteration you want 461 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: to talk about this or the topic is going to 462 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: come up repeatedly this offseason. How do you manufacture a 463 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: pass rush? How do you to your word affect the quarterback, 464 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: not speed up the quarterback. As we've established here, the 465 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: honest Agannon does not like the word speed up, but 466 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: he does like effect. Not so much in the number 467 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: of sacks, But how do you get that quarterback uncomfortable 468 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: in the pocket. Is it the seventeen different players the 469 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: Cardinals had this season to register at least a full sack, 470 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: or is it one guy getting double digit sacks and 471 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: making sure that has the attention of every offensive coordinator 472 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: across the league. We got to stop that guy because 473 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: right now that guy does doesn't exist on the Cardinals roster. 474 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have that guy that's keeping an offensive 475 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: coordinator up at night. Defensive coordinators they're up at night 476 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: wondering how they're gonna stop the Kyler run game. That's 477 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 3: what's really vexing when you listen to opposing defensive coordinators. 478 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: Offensive coordinators, there's not that guy they have to game 479 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: plan against. That they don't start their work of the 480 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: week on the Cardinals and go, okay, are we gonna 481 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 3: double team that edge guy? Are we gonna chip him. 482 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: Are we gonna chunk him? What are we gonna do 483 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: that guy? So basically it boils down to in a 484 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: lot of ways, instead of forcing an opposing offense to answer, 485 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: you know, who, when and where? Which is what the 486 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: Cardinals did this year, right, was seventeen different guys getting 487 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: a sack. That was a Nick Rolis approach out of necessity. Okay, 488 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 3: they're gonna have to answer who, where and when? Instead, 489 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: if you can get that one guy, you force an 490 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: offense to also answer, how how can you stop this guy? 491 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: Chandler Jones in his prime getting seventeen nineteen sacks a year, 492 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: you know, so instead of seventeen players with one sack, Craig, 493 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: can you find the one player who gives you seventeen sacks? 494 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, wait a minute, is that even realistic? 495 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: Who's going to give up that sort of pass rusher? 496 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: You know a lot of speculation about the Raiders and 497 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: Max Crosby, for example, with the Browns actually blow it 498 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: up and get rid of Miles Garrett. I think the 499 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 3: Browns think they're closer than that. They're going to hang 500 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 3: on to a Miles Garrett. But I'll throw this out 501 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 3: Cardinals draft where in the first round, sixteenth, where was 502 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: Jared Verse selected nineteenth. It's possible, it's doable, it's feasible. 503 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: I don't know where this draft ranks yet in terms 504 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: of edge rushers, and usually if you're that guy, you 505 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: might go a little higher. But it's not a certainty. 506 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: It just happened last year Jared Verse nineteenth to the 507 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: Rams and he's going to the Pro Bowl. 508 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: And you don't necessarily need that ten play, but just 509 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: that guy that will capture the attention of the other 510 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: side of the line of scrimmage. Now again, we've also 511 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: heard and we don't know Jonathan Gann and Nick Rollis, 512 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: once upon a time in Philadelphia led the league with 513 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: seventy sacks. They had those guys. They had several of 514 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: those guys here with the Cardinals. They don't which do 515 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: they prefer. Do they prefer to have that guy or 516 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: do they like to scheme it up. Because remember, when 517 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about outside linebacker, it's not just rush the quarterback. 518 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: It's set the edge, it's dropped into coverage. You need 519 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: to be able to do multiple things. That's why they 520 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: love Zave and Collins. So, as we say from the outside. Yeah, 521 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: you need that pass rusher. Do the coaching staff believe 522 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: that they need that? Is that a missing piece or 523 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: do they like the rotation? Because if you are going 524 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: to spend some money on a pass rusher, whether that's 525 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: outside linebacker or defensive end, and you're gonna spend fifteen 526 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five million dollars, that player needs to be 527 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: on the field eighty to eighty five percent of the snaps. 528 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: No player defensively on that front seven played. I believe 529 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: more than fifty or fifty five percent of the defensive 530 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: snaps this season. They like that rotation, But it goes 531 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: back to what you said, Paul. Is that because it's 532 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: by necessity or do they have a preference? And that 533 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: is the big question that I have because I don't 534 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: know the answer to that, and I think we will 535 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: this offseason when you have free agency with money to 536 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: spend and draft picks to figure out, all, right, do 537 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: we bolster that fraud seven? Do we find that guy 538 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: or do we continue the shuffling and figure out what 539 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: we have on a rotation to keep the offense gissing? 540 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Who's coming from which direction? 541 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: Do you go find a guy on the open market 542 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: who needs a prove it year, A Hassan Reddick, a 543 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: Chase Young, you know, proven pass rushers who might be 544 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: available for one reason or another. You bring them in 545 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: as you can continue to grow young talent maybe and 546 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: edge rusher is acquired via free agency in that manner, 547 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: and then you focus on interior d line because that's 548 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: the other thing about that Eagles team where JG directed 549 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: the defense. I mean they had interior dudes. Yeah, they 550 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: seventy sacks by that team, fifteen more than any other 551 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: team in twenty twenty two, and how well a lot 552 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: of it came from the interior. You crush the middle 553 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: of the offensive line and then all of a sudden 554 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: you get a quarterback on the run, You flush them 555 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: from the pocket, and good things happen if you're a defense. 556 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: And that's one area just doing a little bit of 557 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: you know, research and intel into this year's draft. There 558 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: are a lot of defensive linemen. I mean, you're looking 559 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl and they're saying that Texas A 560 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: and M has three guys they are sending who are 561 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: all studs? You have all miss with a trio of guys, 562 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: all sec dudes, you know, South Carolina has a duo Kentucky. 563 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: I talked about this on Cardinals Underground with a guy 564 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: by the name of Dane Walker, basketball background from Detroit. 565 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 3: Who does that sound like Darius Robinson. He also happens 566 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: to be six six three forty and he has the 567 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: size of a nose tackle and the quickness of a 568 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: three technique and he's been all sec He's an absolute 569 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 3: game wrecker, this kid out of Kentucky. And so there's 570 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: there are Certainly this appears to be a pretty deep 571 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 3: draft in D line. And don't think that this Cardinals 572 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: team that hasn't caught the eyes of the decision makers. 573 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: And again it's the pass rush. Can you get home 574 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: with just four to where now all of a sudden 575 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: you can drop seven into coverage to make those windows 576 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot smaller than they typically are, because I do 577 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: think that's what we saw, especially with the Rams Monday 578 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: night against the Vikings. They were getting home consistently with four, 579 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: sometimes five. But that makes it so much easier to 580 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: where you don't need to bring six or seven because 581 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: good quarterbacks will see that and beat the blitz. Kurt 582 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: Warner was phenomenal at that knowing exactly where he wanted 583 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: to put that ball before it was even snapped to him. 584 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: And going back to the Seattle games, once again, Seattle 585 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: doesn't have a Pro Bowl edge trusher, but they had 586 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 3: Leonard Williams, and Leonard Williams made everyone look good on 587 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: that defensive line because he was a game wrecker from 588 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: the three technique in the nose. They were moving him 589 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: around over different players at different times and it was 590 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: enough of a headache that he wrecked the game. So 591 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: once again, if you can get that guy, if Darius Robinson, 592 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: for example, we're talking about a big question from last 593 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: year to next year, and we've focused more on some 594 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: of the big picture stuff, but if you want to 595 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: go names for example, Darius Robinson obviously would stand out. 596 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 3: And our Jim al Mahunter found this information on Braiden Fisk, 597 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: who really finished with a flourish but you know, his 598 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: first seven games he had one sack. He was taken 599 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 3: twelve picks after Darius Robinson, as the Rams traded up 600 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 3: high second round to take Braiden Fisk. Over games eight 601 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: through seventeen, he had seven and a half sacks, so 602 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: that seemed to indicate that, okay, he navigated the rookie 603 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: learning curve midway through his rookie season and then all 604 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: of a sudden excelled down the stretch. Well, Darius Robinson 605 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: never had that opportunity. Basically just kind of went through 606 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 3: the learning part of it. And even his own admission, 607 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: the first two games he barely remembers. His hair was 608 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: on fire. He literally had to tell himself to calm down, 609 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 3: and his position coat setters much as well. He got 610 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: out there. He was so frantic, such such a flurry 611 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: that you know, it was just some unsound rookie football 612 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: at times. So now that he's experienced regular season football, 613 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 3: was he even one hundred percent? They listed him as 614 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: limited every single practice. You don't even know if you 615 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: saw the real Darius Robinson in terms of that calf injury. 616 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: Is good enough to play, But was he truly himself? 617 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: Was he truly the guy we saw in training camp 618 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: where he's schooling veterans that and maybe he puts on 619 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: a little more weight, you know, maybe the old Zach 620 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: Allen back in the day, he goes from two eighty 621 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: five closer to three hundred, and then we'll see if 622 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are able to unleash d rob in year two. 623 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: I'll give you another name, bj Ojoli yep, who we 624 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: have not seen much at all in his two seasons, 625 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: hasn't really had a season to kind of be that guy. 626 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: And then we forget when you talk about the defensive line, 627 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: Justin Jones, Blall Nichols, they're under contracts. We saw them 628 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: very limited at the start of the season. How much 629 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: do those three names plus a healthy Darius Robinson have 630 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: you answered that question? Perhaps along the defensive line and 631 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: outside linebacker to where okay, maybe we are better off, 632 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: but it's the we haven't seen it yet, So do 633 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: you want to move forward without quite knowing do we 634 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: really have it? 635 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 3: Or do we have to go and get it and 636 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 3: look win in doubt? Just go to the line of scrimmage. 637 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: I believe with Manti Osciborn Jonathan Gannon. You know, there's 638 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 3: a couple of things about them that we've learned in 639 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 3: the two years. One person over player. They're gonna scout 640 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 3: the person and the personality and the work ethic and 641 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: the commitment. First, they're gonna decide do we want this 642 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: person in our building, and then if the answer is yes, 643 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: then they'll make a final determination on that guy as 644 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 3: a player in his skill set. And then the other 645 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,479 Speaker 3: aspect of it is physicality. It's a big man's game. 646 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna come out and we're gonna try and set 647 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 3: the tone. And I do believe if there's one takeaway 648 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: from two years under this regime is in the division, 649 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: the other teams know, man, they're in for a physical 650 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 3: game when they play the Cardinals. And you continue to 651 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: build and they've already turned over two thirds to three 652 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 3: quarters of this roster since the day they were hired, 653 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 3: and that is gonna continue into this offseason. I have 654 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 3: no doubt about that. 655 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: It's always the line of scrimmage that seems to be 656 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: where the focal point is, whether that's in free agency 657 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: or the draft, but you always come back to the 658 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, whether the offense or defense. By the way, 659 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: as we look at the playoff games and the playoff 660 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: teams here coming up this weekend in the Division A round, 661 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: I looked and team players. As we piggyback off of 662 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: the discussion on pass rush, seventeen players this season finished 663 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: with double digit sacks. Only five of those seventeen are 664 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: still playing. The Ravens and Texans each have two double 665 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: digit sec artists. So again, does it mean you're a 666 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: playoff team if you have that guy? No, but it 667 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't hurt you as well. And of course, if 668 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: you're looking at the Texans playing at the Chiefs Kansas, 669 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: ead also has Chris Jones, who is a game wrecker 670 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: if you don't pay attention to him. So again, this 671 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: is where the Cardinals want to be, Paul. They want 672 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: to be playing in the divisional round. They want to 673 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: be one of those eight teams left. Yeah, you want 674 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: to be a playoff team, but really, if you are 675 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: a bona fide postseason member you get to the divisional round, 676 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: You're not the Vikings winning fourteen games and then one 677 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: and done. You want to get to this weekend, whether 678 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: it's Saturday or Sunday. And I do think it's those 679 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: teams that the Cardinals should have an eye on, as 680 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: far as whether that's offensive line, defensive line, edge rusher, 681 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver, running back, quarterback, whatever it is. Look at 682 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: those eight teams and figure out, all right, what do 683 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: we have? What are we missing to become one of 684 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: those eight teams? For example, look at Philadelphia. I'm not 685 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: the biggest believer in Jalen Hurts. I don't really view 686 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: him as capable of winning a Super Bowl, but like 687 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: a lot of other times, I'm probably dead wrong when 688 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: you look at the rest of what he has at 689 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: his disposal. One of the best offensive lines in the league. 690 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: Sakwan Barkley. 691 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: Who oh, by the way, last time they played the Rams, 692 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 3: he had over three hundred total yards in that game. 693 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 3: Twelve player ever in NFL history with over three hundred 694 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 3: total yards in a single game. Obviously, they have a defense. 695 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 3: They have built that up. They bolstered the cornerback room 696 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 3: with some young corners, and they have dudes along the 697 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 3: defensive front. Still they've drafted to that. So look at 698 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 3: Philly's formula. They don't have a Pro Bowl quarterback, but 699 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 3: they're very formidable right now as opposed to a Rams 700 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 3: team where they have a quarterback in year sixteen and 701 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 3: and you know, and they have a running game as well, 702 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: but it's that young defense that's flying around. So there's 703 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 3: some really intriguing matchups to your point, not only the 704 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 3: teams and the quarterbacks, but how the front offices have 705 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: built these teams with different things in mind. Will Anderson, 706 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 3: Junior number three pick overall. A couple of years ago, 707 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 3: after the Cardinals traded out of that spot, they ended 708 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 3: to Neil Hunter. Those are their two double digit sack guys, 709 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: and yes they are the featured guys on that defense 710 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 3: has been sort of up and down. Houston's offensive line 711 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 3: has been up and down, but they looked a lot better. 712 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 3: They look more like last season than their playoff win. 713 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 3: So very and it's amazing how CJ. Stroud looked like 714 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 3: last year's quarterback when what when he didn't have to 715 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 3: worry about his offensive line being a liability. 716 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: Do you believe in the head coach quarterback combination or 717 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: is it the defense gonna win? Could you look at 718 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: that Rams Eagles matchup coming up on Sunday? The Rams 719 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: have Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford experience successful in December 720 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: and January and February, going up against an Eagles team 721 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: that is probably not as on that same tier as 722 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: head coach and quarterback, yet have a solid offensive line, 723 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: have a very good defense. What wins out? And then, 724 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: of course the NFL is a copycat league. What are 725 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: the other teams looking at figuring out what works to 726 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: get into the postseason? And then better yet be successful 727 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: in the postseason. So Rams Eagles is the one NFC matchup. 728 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: The other one on Saturday again, Commanders at the Lions. 729 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: Another one of those games in which, okay, the Lions 730 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: have been there, done that, the Commanders are the darlings 731 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: if you will. The NFL. With a young quarterback, Jayden Daniels, 732 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't think Paul much bothers him. At least it 733 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it. The stage is not too big 734 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: for him. The lights aren't too bright yet. At the 735 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,479 Speaker 1: same time, this Lions team, despite not having their guy 736 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson for much of the season, not allowed to 737 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: drop off defensively for Detroit now. 738 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 3: And they're so physical. I mean, they are so physical 739 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. That's the biggest challenge for Washington, 740 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: who has won five games in a row on the 741 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 3: final play from scrimmage, and a lot of that has 742 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 3: to do with Jayden Daniels, who admittedly says, yeah, I 743 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 3: kind of sense that it's a big deal Washington winning 744 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: its first playoff game in two decades, But he said, 745 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 3: I stand my own bubble, and man is he unflappable. 746 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 3: It's I'm a definite believer in Jane Daniels. I was 747 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 3: before the playoffs even started. And so look, here's the 748 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 3: thing about the Lions defense. They've had issues with mobile quarterbacks, 749 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 3: including Kyler Murray. You know, Cardinals made that a one 750 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 3: score game. They lost twenty to thirteen way back in 751 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 3: Week three. So if Washington can match the physicality, and 752 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 3: they would seemingly have a defensive front one of the 753 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 3: strengths of their team that could match up with probably 754 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 3: the best offensive line in the game, which belongs to 755 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 3: the Lions. And the Lions struggled a little bit with 756 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 3: that Niners defensive line, especially Nick Bosa two games ago, 757 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 3: So that's really intriguing. As for the Rams and Eagles, 758 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 3: I agree with you. I look at Stafford and McVeigh 759 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 3: against Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni, and that's most definitely 760 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 3: advantage LA. Even what McVeigh seemingly did in this last 761 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 3: game where Matthew Stafford hit eight different receivers, they didn't 762 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: use that eleven personnel as much. They used a lot 763 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 3: of multiple tight ends, even minus Tyler Higbee. So you 764 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 3: never know what McVay has in mind. You never quite 765 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 3: know what's coming in terms of a game plan. He's 766 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 3: so excellent in that's still one of the league's best 767 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 3: play callers, and now that they fix their offensive line, 768 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: you can rely on that again. Stafford is a first 769 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 3: quarterback in his last six playoff games to have two 770 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: touchdown passes and more in every one of them. He 771 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 3: excels in the spotlight in the big moments, and so 772 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 3: that'll be very interesting if the Rams going to Philly. 773 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 3: Love to see how the Eagles fans react of all 774 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 3: of a sudden the Eagles get down, because based on 775 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 3: last season we were there. Yeah, they'll turn on the 776 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 3: home team right quick. 777 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: As far as the AFC matchups are concerned, Saturday, Texans 778 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: at the Chiefs and then Sunday afternoon, late afternoon Ravens 779 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: at the Bills. And this little Cardinals connection, as I 780 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: told you before, we hit record here on Cardinals cover 781 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: two the Bills earlier on Wednesday signing Cardinals practice squad 782 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: quarterback Anthony Brown to their practice squad, who does have 783 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: some ties to the Ravens. He was the Ravens or 784 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens a couple of years ago, so 785 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: they are looking for someone to simulate. Again, Easier said 786 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: than done, but someone to be Lamar Jackson here this 787 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: week and when your team season ends, those practice squad 788 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: players are free agents. Anthony Brown available, Bill said, yeah, 789 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 1: we need you this week because we're playing Lamar Jackson. 790 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 3: It's good catch by you. I did not see that 791 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 3: very astute move by Buffalo. I like it almost devious, 792 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 3: and it's thinking, you know, you do anything and everything 793 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 3: you can to secure a playoff win, and yeah, bringing 794 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 3: a guy who really knows the identity and DNA of 795 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 3: that offense, who has some athleticism himself, so he can 796 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 3: simulate Lamar Jackson to me, You know that Buffalo defense? 797 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 3: Are we really believing in the Bills defense against Lamar 798 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 3: and the way Derrick Henry's running the ball and then 799 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely keeping Giannis down the seams. 800 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 3: It just seems like Baltimore, unlike previous postseasons, they have 801 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 3: this thing figured out right now and they're about as 802 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 3: locked in as it gets. 803 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: Well. 804 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 3: See Josh Allen as the man. He made a believer 805 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 3: out of me after the Cardinals took us seventeen to 806 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 3: three lead in Week one and he led Buffalo back 807 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 3: right in front of us down there on the sideline. 808 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 3: That is a marquee matchup. 809 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: They met earlier this season in Week four in Baltimore 810 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 1: and the Ravens rushed for two hundred and seventy one yards. 811 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry accounted for one hundred and ninety nine yards 812 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: on the ground. Whether though, because of course, Paul, you 813 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: always pay attention to the weather, it is forecast for 814 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: snow on Saturday, a high of twenty three on Sunday. Now, again, 815 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: Baltimore deals with the inclement weather as well, but snow 816 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: in Buffalo if it is snowing on Sunday, because four 817 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: point thirty kickoff Arizona time, that's six thirty in Buffalo. Yeah, 818 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: temperatures are going to be in the low twenties, maybe 819 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: upper teams and if it starts to snow, advantage Buffalo 820 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: in the implement weather. 821 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 3: But it's not like the Miami Dolphins coming into Buffalo 822 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 3: true in January. So you know, and look, they obviously 823 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 3: have the ground game. Baltimore. If they got to lower 824 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 3: the snow plow and just use the pound game, Baltimore 825 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 3: is definitely capable of that. So the one that's intriguing 826 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 3: to me is I'm really curious to see how Patrick 827 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 3: Mahomes comes out, because to your point earlier, Kansas City 828 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 3: has had a top three, top five scoring defense all year. 829 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 3: Longer rated that Kansasity defense been really sound, really good, 830 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 3: really saved the offenses bacon more times than not this 831 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 3: this past season. But A, they haven't played a real 832 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 3: game in dar near a month, So what's the Russ factor? 833 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 3: But then b what's the motivation factor when Patrick Mahomes 834 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 3: didn't make the Pro Bowl. When NFL dot Com throws 835 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 3: out the latest QB Powerpole and Jayden Daniels is ranked 836 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 3: ahead of Patrick Mahomes, I just wonder if he's been 837 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 3: keeping those receipts. And Patrick Mahomes is going to provide 838 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 3: a little reminder how he's the best player on the planet. 839 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: Chiefs starters have not played since Christmas Day, so twenty 840 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: three days between games Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, among others. Yeah, 841 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: they have not played a competitive game since December twenty fifth. 842 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 3: And you know what Houston has proven obviously based on 843 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 3: last postseason, that they don't sweat being the underdog and 844 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 3: so and if there's one way and one way only 845 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 3: to take Patrick Mahomes, it's a pass rush. It's getting 846 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 3: to him and harassing him and hitting him and throwing 847 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 3: off the time into the passing game. And Houston with 848 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 3: Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson Junior and Jamiico Ryan scheming 849 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,439 Speaker 3: it up. They you would think they have that capability 850 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 3: to trying to affect the quarterback. 851 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: Should be a lot of fun this weekend. Four games. 852 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,959 Speaker 1: It's just unfortunate, Paul, that you're not gonna be able 853 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: to watch in of it because you'll be studying your 854 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: German because again, as we go full circle here, we 855 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: are trying to manifest the Arizona Cardinals playing the Indianapolis 856 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: Colts in Berlin, Germany in twenty twenty five. 857 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm going to be listening on the radio in 858 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 3: the garage getting the cars ready for the car auctions 859 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 3: coming up. So you know it's right, it's almost into January. 860 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: Yep. 861 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 3: It's going to be old school just listening on the 862 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 3: national radio and enjoying it that way. And you know 863 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 3: you got a multitask, Craig. This time of year, you 864 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 3: know you've been waiting to get some stuff done. That's 865 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 3: you've got to be productive at all times. 866 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: Yes, and especially now with the season over with Yeah, 867 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: the to do list, you start checking some of those 868 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: things off the list, and yeah again, Football, whether it's 869 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: in front of the television or listening on the radio, 870 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: should be a lot of fun this weekend. And on 871 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: that note, we'll put a lit on this edition of 872 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two presented by Yundai Probubly partner of the 873 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Special. Thanks as always to our executive producer 874 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: jim Mo Mahundro, our associate producer Cody Fincher. For Paul Calvic, 875 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm Craig Raildu. We'll talk to you next time here 876 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two.