1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Aliban. This is all ball, 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: all hoop, all the time. Great stories. Um, this is 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: gonna be part two of A Man Tremaine. Folks. When 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: we last talk with Tremaine, we were talking about his 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: journey to the NBA, growing up in l A, the 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: hard times in college, the disappointment with some of the 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: guys who coached him in college. Now we get to 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: professional basketball. Remember you finally got the call up and 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: stuck with the Clippers. The kid who grows up in 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: l A bounces all around and gets to come home 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: as agent calls him and says, hey, congrats, you're going 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: to the You're going to l A to sign the NBA. Awesome. 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: The Lakers know the Clippers, but the Clippers at that 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: time had moved to Staples Center. Things were they but 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: they were very very young. And let's let's continue our 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: catch up which remained, folks. Okay, part two Little man 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: t Folks, Um Pike Tremaine. Let's let's get to Okay. 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: So now you remember of the Clippers. We talked about 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: it about how you grew up a Laker fan and 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: you finally get a shot. You're finally the league but 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: it's with the Clippers, and at this point in time, 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the Clippers aren't very good. Um, you get done with 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: that season. Okay, this is two thousand and three. Now 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: you played a little bit in the league. What happens? 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Um during that transition from the Clippers to Detroit. I 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: did have a couple of you know, I had a 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: good second year. The third year, Uh Dnie, you got 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: rid of everybody? You know, he shipped shipped me out. 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Well you got rid of me, Melvin Eli, Chris will Cox, Lamar, Oh, 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: I mean you got you got rid of damn near 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: the whole team. Um, we were shipped out different places. 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I end up being with Detroit. Thought I would stay 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: that third year. But you know, Bobby Simmons came in 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: and uh Mike Dunlevy Jr. Came in there, so he 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: kind of reshaped the team the way he wanted to. 36 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: And actually I had a little only had about a 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand guaranteed, and and I said, well, they're not 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: gonna keep me. At least I can at least have 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: some money to try to see where my next stock 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: would be. And long enough it was Detroit and quick story, 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: you know how I got to Detroit. During that preseason, 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: we had a lot of injuries, you know, with mcgetty 43 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,559 Speaker 1: to rich Lamar, that gave me the opportunity to play 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: and those minutes I took advantage of. And it actually 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: was Doug that Detroit was my best preseason game. We 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: played Detroit in Detroit, I had about seventeen points, not 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: knowing that in hindsight it would come full circle that 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: I would end up playing for Detroit. So you never know, 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: a preseason game can get you a job for another 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: a team at the end of the day. And that's 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: what happened. What was Llo like at that point in 52 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: time in this career, Lamar? Yeah, uh, you know, I 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: think he was trying to find his niche that he 54 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: once had already when he entered the league, you know, 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: as a high profile player. UM with him getting into 56 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, some trouble with you know, a failed drug test, um, 57 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: you know this or that, it kind of weighed in 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: on him and probably affects the team a little bit, 59 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, with you know, any distraction that's not on 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: the court, you know, Uh is gonna kind of stick 61 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: with the team as a whole. But he had to 62 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: support from us. He had real good support from his team. 63 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, he had just support from myself. But you know, 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: we were hoping the best for Lamar. It just it 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: just seemed like he just couldn't get over to hunt with. 66 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, problem here, problem there? What about what about 67 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: you personally? So like before we get to in Detroit, 68 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: you're in l A with the Clippers, right, but you're 69 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: like an l A guy in your back home, Like 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: were you were you a hangout guy? Did you go out? 71 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: Did you? Like? What were you at that point in 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: your life? It was a blessing, So you know it's 73 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: a cash to me too. You're like, you're at home, 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: but you don't want to be out too much, you 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: don't want any I was kind of nervous too. I 76 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: didn't want to. I didn't want to get any trouble. 77 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: You know, Um, somebody that's playing for their hometown team, 78 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: you know, the chances are more likely for you to 79 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: actually deadly slip on, you know, get caught up in something. 80 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: So my thing was practice, go home, eat dinner, and 81 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: maybe go to the gym and workout at night. Now, 82 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, we get we went out as 83 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: a team. Yes, we were a young team compared to Detroit, 84 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: we might have been the youngest team in the league. 85 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, uh that I ever played for. Everybody was 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: in the twenties, you know, so going out on the 87 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: weekend as a team, it was it was more safe 88 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: to me then going out with my with my friends, 89 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, and not knowing you know, what is going on, 90 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: whatever situation they might have had, you know, maybe once 91 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: you know why I did, But I played it safe 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: at home. What what what was the organization like at 93 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: that point in time, because you guys are in the 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: sports arena? Where'd you even practice that we were? We 95 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: were the Clippers. No practice facility, yet we practice at 96 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: two places. We practiced at the Spectrum. Uh, that would 97 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: be I would say man Dond Manhattan, Redonald the Spectrum. Jim. 98 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: That was nice. It was pretty good, but of course 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: you get shared it with everybody else who guys memberships. 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, you probably the workout club, right yeah, right? 101 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: And we had Southwest College Southwest when we're practicing where 102 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: everybody that goes to school, So no privacy as an 103 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: NBA team, but we had to get the job done 104 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: in Southwest Actually wasn't a bad place to practice, but 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: you know. Then again at Southwest College, you're in the hood. 106 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: It's crazy, right you think about you think about it 107 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: now to think about it then, right, like even the 108 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Clippers now they have a facility, but they're building a 109 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: new privor facility. It's like their second one, their staples, 110 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: but they're gonna build a new arena as opposed to 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: then you guys played literally the worst arena in the 112 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: NBA and you had no practice facility. What was what 113 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: were your Do you have any interactions with Donald Stirling? Uh? No, 114 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: you know I shift Donald's hand a couple of times. Um, 115 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: he was really here and there. You know, he'll pop 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: up when he wanted to, you know. But I definitely 117 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: saw his name on my checks every time, you know, 118 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: so he definitely had his imprint and the team and 119 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: he'll make it. He'll make his appearances every now and then. 120 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Elgin Baylor, you know, rest in peace. Eljen. He was 121 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: pretty much you know, uh, the fixture and being seen 122 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: coming to practices. But Wyatt though, but should himself with 123 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: his appearance and seeing Elgin. He's a legend. So Elgin, 124 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: you're saying, okay, you know him as a gym, he's 125 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: taking it serious. You know, the organization didn't have the success. Uh, 126 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: it just didn't seem like the organization wanted to really 127 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: commit to players, you know, and that was just they're 128 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: finally over that hump of course. So yeah, and and 129 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: ownership is a big deal. So okay, so take me 130 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: into what it's like like you're in the league. Everybody 131 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: knows everybody, right, and yet you're in the same town 132 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: as the Lakers. This time the Lakers have Shaq and 133 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Kobe right, correct? Correct? Okay, so they have shann coach. 134 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: You're like, you're in the same league, but you're not 135 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: in the same league. Would you guys ever see those 136 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: guys out and like, what is that? Did did they 137 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: treat you with respect? They look like the Clippers, right, 138 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: what was what was that? You know, we were a 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: tier down from the Lakers. You gotta think the Lakers 140 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: already want a couple of chips, so they really are 141 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: on the city. Okay, and h you already know what 142 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: the history. We were just trying to get our feet 143 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: wet at that same time. And I think after year 144 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: after I left, Clippers finally made went to the playoffs. 145 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: But getting you know that it was mutual respect from 146 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: both sides. You know, I remember seeing shack out Devin George, 147 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, um, I mean you had all the players going. 148 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: You might have seen Robert Oriant a couple of times. 149 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: So the the love was mutual from us. But as 150 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: far as outside the public, oh yeah, they definitely it was. 151 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: It was a Laker first town, and it's it's always 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: gonna be like that, you know, tencil town is always 153 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna be like that. But uh, the love is mutual. 154 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: Want you in the league. Everybody talks and understands the grind, 155 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: and uh, it was a pleasure to try to see 156 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: the Lakers out there. You know, you really didn't see 157 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: them unless you were playing on the court. What, um, 158 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: what is that for for somebody who hasn't experienced the 159 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: lifestyle of a dude who might play or might not 160 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: play on a given night. Right, Like, like the most 161 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: you played your second year of the Clippers, you played 162 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: thirty seven games, right, that means there's more than half 163 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the games you don't play. So again, and this is 164 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: like more instructional, right than anything else, because I think 165 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: duds like, oh, that's the greatest deal ever, right, you 166 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: just go show up, lay up lives beats some dude, 167 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: but it now, that's not really how it goes right. 168 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: So okay, so so take me into like you're with 169 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the Clippers. Let's say it's your first year, was done 170 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: leaving the coach the first year, your first year with 171 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: My first year was Alvin Gentry, My second year was 172 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: Alvin Gentry. Towards the end of the year they fired 173 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Almen and let Dennis Johnson. You know DJ Rescumees, Okay, 174 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: who you had a good relationship with right from from 175 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: going back to my ior league. Yeah, good relationships. So 176 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: that that worked out good as our confidence because d 177 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: J would give me the confidence to, you know, go 178 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: out there and say, hey man, you belong out here, Tray, 179 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, no matter how you got here with a 180 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: couple of ten days and this and that, you're here, 181 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: so go out and play. Okay, let's let's go back 182 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: when that ten day, when when they say hey, we're 183 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: they're picking up your ten day and you get extended 184 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: for the whole season. What's that feeling like? What? What 185 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: what do you remember about those moments? That's the great 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: that that that that's a great feeling. And I was 187 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: just reminded of that that same feeling when I saw 188 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: I was watching ESPN they said, oh, DeMarcus, DeMarcus are 189 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: signed for the rest of the year. Yeah, because so 190 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: that took me back right there. You know, for somebody 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: like him, that's nothing. You know, he's got he's got 192 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars in the bank, right right. Okay, 193 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: So so like when you're you get called up, you 194 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: get called up? Okay, how much like how much money 195 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: would you would you have in your bank account? Like 196 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: when you're you're playing in minor league basketball, you know, 197 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: do you I would I would keep about maybe three 198 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in there. You know, you're not making the 199 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: money is not there, you know. Okay, So so then 200 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: so then they they so then they come into like 201 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: we're picking your up for the rest of the season, 202 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: like oh my, I'm like, you know again it's pro rated, 203 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, but Sixtinger gig pro rated. You're getting maybe 204 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: three years of uh the league ball money and you know, 205 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: three months. So that was great, you know, pick up 206 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: a quick uh maybe forty fifty thousand, sixty thousand was 207 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: great you know for me just too, because I'm thinking 208 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: that you know, I'm starting to make plans to go overseas. 209 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: You know I've done it before. Yeah, that's where everybody 210 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: you have to you have to have uh, you have 211 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: to support your family. Uh. My my girl friend then 212 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: was just uh she was pregnant right about them. So 213 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of a black kind of get that call 214 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: up at that time. Okay, So then so then what 215 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: is the What is a day in the life a 216 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: dude who you're playing for? Alvin Gentry? Okay, did you 217 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: guys always have shoot around? Yes, unless we went on 218 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: a three game winning streak, we might get that, we 219 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: might get a shoot around off or two. Okay, so 220 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: you have shoot around? Was like, what time? Uh, shoot 221 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: around will be about nine o'clock. Yeah, okay, so not 222 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: nine o'clock. You go for how long? Go for an hour? 223 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: We go for hour. You gotta think the earlier in 224 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: l A to get things over with is better. The 225 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: traffic is horrible. So I was always for it too, 226 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: because you know, my thing was I do not want 227 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: to be late to any meetings, any practices, any shoot arounds. 228 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: They just say, hey, Tradia, No, this city like the 229 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: back of his hand. So anytime you can get me 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: in and out, I'm there. So so so you're so 231 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: you're done at ten? Did you stay and shoot? You go, 232 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get my nap. Like, what what was 233 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: your routine? Um? I would stay. I would make sure 234 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: when you're the twelve and thirteen guy, you know some 235 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: sometimes I did start this and that, but you have 236 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: have the think I'm trying to earn the respect of 237 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: the coaches as well. I would stay after, you know, 238 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: and shoot make sure you know, hey, hopp in some 239 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: games in the spectrum they start running spectrum, you hop 240 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: in and get it get over yet little around like 241 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, you might get a extra twenty minutes and 242 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: I get kicked off the court at at Staples where 243 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: the next team comes in. So you know, it was 244 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: no consistency, but you had to make it things existant 245 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: around you, you know. So uh that that right there 246 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: and making things consistent around he was great and that 247 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: was my job. You know, that was my job. Okay. 248 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: So then you would get to the arena at what 249 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: time seven o'clock game? What time meet there in seven 250 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: o'clock game, Doug, I will be at the arena by 251 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: five fifteen. I was one of always the first ones 252 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: to get to the arena. You know the players, uh 253 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: ther Stark starters get there by five forty five, so 254 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: I would definitely be there about thirty minutes early. Uh. 255 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: And it felt good to be the first one there. 256 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: You never want to be stuck in track. You never 257 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: want to be late. You just want everybody what you're 258 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: in that arena, something about going through the tunnel. And 259 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: once you're there, it's like, okay, I'm here. My mind 260 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: is right. I can concentrate and focusing on the game. Okay, 261 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: So you get out there, you get what a half 262 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: hour in would you to lift in like I would. 263 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: I would get a half hour and I'll be able 264 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: to take my time, get dressed, be our own a court, 265 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: maybe talk to a few fans, interacts, um and get 266 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: my shots up, work out with you know, one of 267 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: the player development coaches, and pretty much just just get 268 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: in that mindset of if I was gonna play it. 269 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Just like you said earlier, I didn't know if I 270 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: was gonna play or nothing. You know, I've I've gotten 271 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: calls maybe eight in the morning and say, hey, Tray, 272 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: we're taking you off the I R so be ready. 273 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: So I've learned to always, you know, be prepared because 274 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: you never know if you're on an I R. If 275 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna get caught up that day even the day 276 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: of you know, I've had to get dressed or we're 277 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: taking you off the I R. So be ready and 278 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: I remember time or to that you just take for granted, 279 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna play. I'm just gonna be like 280 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: mL car and rout route. I'm throute my team or 281 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: but you know, the league is going so fast right now, 282 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, you never know. You know, guys need a 283 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: day off real quick. They come and say, okay, hey, 284 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: it's more it's more common for guys to take a 285 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: day off off that game or just to get forward. 286 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: You know how it is now that kind of works out. 287 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: It's a cash twenty two, but it kind of works 288 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: out for the guy to end of the bitch if 289 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: he stays rending. These guys stay. So that was my 290 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: thing in preparation. You know what's my thing to make 291 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: sure I stayed ready just in case my number was called. Now, 292 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: when you get done working out, would you go back 293 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: and shower or you just stay you stay loosing warm? 294 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: What was your what was your thing? I would go back, 295 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: I would go back and then interact with all the 296 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: with with with my teammates because everybody is there, everybody 297 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: in's five forty five, everybody's in the locker room. The 298 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: funniest dude, funniest you ever plays in the press like 299 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: guy like I go to him and I'm just a 300 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, Kian Dooling was a pretty funny guy. Man. 301 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: I missed playing with Keian Dooley. Another another guy that 302 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: nobody thought was funny, but he was funny to me. 303 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Was was uh dark Old Milichick. They called him the 304 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: human cigar because he would just know. I played against 305 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: him when I was in Israel, was in his I 306 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: was in Israel on two thousand one, two thousand two, 307 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: and you got, yeah, I thought he would be good. Yeah, 308 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: I thought he'd be good, Like I think he'd be 309 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: good in the league. Now. Plus you shouldn't have played 310 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: for LB. Like that was a bad That was the 311 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: worst devision. But quick question, did you like Israel? Did 312 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: you like that? He was great? Great? They messed around 313 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: with the money, They got s little silly with the money. Yeah, 314 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: but as far as places to live, like, yeah, what's 315 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: not to like? They speak English? Right? You know? It 316 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: was it was it was. It was. It was nice. Um, okay, 317 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: so you go to Detroit, then you go to India, right, 318 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: and if memory serves, you were on the floor or 319 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: you were dressed the night of the Mouth of the Palace. Correct. No, 320 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't dressed that night. I was dressed the following 321 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: night after uh, Steven and Rob got into the squabble, 322 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, they got Okay, So but you were there, 323 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: you were there that night? No, No, I wasn't there 324 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: that night. I came to following night. I can't they 325 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: I was the backup. Now they had what was where? 326 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: So where were you when it happened? I was right 327 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: here in Sacramento when that happened. I was in front 328 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: of the couch watching it, like, oh my gosh, is 329 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: this crazy? You know, I'm like wow, you know with 330 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: Detroit the year before, I'm like, what's going on here? 331 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: So you you young cut? Yes, they not picked me 332 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: up for the following year. So I was kind of shocked. 333 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm like, okay, this is uh, 334 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: this is kind of different. But at least they had 335 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: told uh, my agent and I Bill, They said, hey 336 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: were like trade you know, you know, we know a 337 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: couple of teams that were signed them, but you know, 338 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: we're looking in another direction. It was very respectable. I've 339 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: been cut, you know away by teams and you know 340 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: my phone call and that ended up not being how 341 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: you do that? And Rick carl Oud you know, uh, 342 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: Mike Dunley, they actually had to bring it back in 343 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: when situations happened like that and say hey, I apologize 344 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: for the phone call. Should have brought you, you know, 345 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: brought you in. So at the end of the day, 346 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: I do respect him for that, but yeah, I was 347 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: on the couch then when that, when that fight happened, 348 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this is real. I couldn't believe it 349 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: at first. And then I'm going to the gym the 350 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: next day to work out, and my agent calls and says, hey, uh, 351 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: are you ready to play? I said, you already know. 352 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: He said, hey, You're going to Indiana right now. I said, 353 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: are you serious that I'm on to Indiana right now? 354 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: He said yes. They suspended them and they need another player. 355 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: So I did a post like they needed another Squail 356 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: just in case they had They knew, but they knew 357 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: about Crunshall. They didn't know you grew up in Balling Park, 358 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: though they were like they knew, You're like, he's kind 359 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: of stoff, that's you know, because his mom. His mom 360 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: would let him out after dark. Okay, so you get 361 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: to you get to was it in the truth? Was 362 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: the next game? What was their next game? That next game? 363 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: That's a good question. That next game. I can look 364 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: at you like that next game we played was That's 365 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: a good question that that next game we played? We 366 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: were I met I met them out of town. Were 367 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: did we played them? Gosh, Carlo Carlo I was the coach, right, 368 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: Rick Carlile was the coach, and we you know, you know, no, no, 369 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: you know what that we came back for. That was 370 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: came back for a home game. Uh, you played Minnesota 371 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: at home day? You playing that first game? So yes, 372 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: there you go, I played that game. So so you 373 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: come back with held up. You're about to go to 374 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: get a little workout at like l a fitness right 375 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: or at a jamtown. It's I mean not jamntown, basketball 376 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: town working out. Okay, So you're gonna go to basketball 377 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: town in Sacramento. Correct, Okay, why are you staying Sacramento? 378 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: Your girls there? Well, my girl that medic at Cow 379 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: she is from Sacramento. And my trainer end up being 380 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: out here, Gus Armstead, who was you know, trained everybody 381 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: you know, college, pros, high school, and it kind of 382 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: happened just I just didn't I didn't know what was 383 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: gonna happen. It just happened like, hey, oh I'm here 384 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: working out now. So I end up making Stacking my home. Okay, 385 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: so you go there. So you go there like, yeah, 386 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to get to work out, great work out. 387 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: Gus says, Hey, Bill wants you to call him. I said, okay, 388 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: I kind of didn't take huh Bill Duffy, Bill nef Bill, 389 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: I love Bill n Yeah. So I went Hell his 390 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: point guards, what do you have you for? Yell? I 391 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: changed the game from him. You know something he saw 392 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: It was like, hey, Tray, you can do it. You 393 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: can do it. You're working hard. I said, you know what, Bill, 394 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: you coming to me telling me that let's get this done. 395 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: So I signed with Bill. You know, I have to 396 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Bill Duffy in various agents, and I stepped with Bill 397 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: to the you know, throughout the whole my whole career. 398 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: He was great. Okay. So so you get there and 399 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: they're like they I mean by now everybody everybody right 400 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: then everybody kind of ran the same stuff, right we 401 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: run hawks, you guys run horns, you run horn um. 402 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: But what was it like around that team when you 403 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: had I believe still at that time they had suspend them, 404 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: but they hadn't ruled the final suspension ever. Those guys 405 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: are that the rest of the year. What was it 406 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: like to take the floor to pacer uniform? Uh? Considering 407 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: the fight, it was it was special. You know, first 408 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: of all, you're taking in you're you're you're in something 409 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: that's infamous. That fight is going to be infamous. And 410 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: just for me to be a part of something, you know, 411 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: for the better, to help recover something that works so 412 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: bad and I'm there the next day was great. But 413 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: just to be able to walk in at arena and 414 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: be able to when somebody comes up to you and 415 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: his name is Reggie Miller, You're like, oh, man, come on, Reggie, 416 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: the guardens fight leaves. You know, you just think about 417 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: so many, uh, just things that make you say, oh, 418 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: he's a legend, you know, And just like you were 419 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: in the same age where we watched Reggie a million times. 420 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: The New York George I was his ball boy at 421 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: u c l A because Rashid and and Doc Hazard 422 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: were on an AU team. Alright, yeah that's so me 423 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: and me and me and too too. We we used 424 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: to go and we'd be a ball boy uh and 425 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: and uh and and go to u c l A game. 426 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and like Reggie Moller is like 427 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: a god, Like there's like an aura around. The history 428 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: is gray and not only there, it gets even better. Now. 429 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: After a game, I'm getting dressed and guess who walks 430 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: up to me the GM And it's not anything. Yeah, 431 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: it's not just any GM, It's it's Larry Bird. I'm like, wow, 432 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: I never saw Larry in a suit, you know how? Wow? 433 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: I just so used to see in the grade thirty three? 434 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: So did you tell him you hated him as a kid? 435 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: Did you said, like I hated you. I'm an l 436 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: A guy, not Larry Bird as much as probably as 437 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: a Danny Aings or a Kevin You're right, Yeah, there's 438 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: like a begrudging respect from l A guys on Larry Bird, 439 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: which everybody hated Inche right, everybody hated Inch. And then 440 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: and then you sort of did Michaeley right, Yeah, MICHAELA Aids. 441 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: They they they they taught you not how to like them. 442 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: You know, you know they were totally into their team. 443 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Is either their team or f you you're out of here, 444 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, and you know that works. Though that works, 445 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna have a most fans, but hey, 446 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 447 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 448 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app. 449 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: Search f s R to listen live. Okay, so so 450 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: that season's over in India, kay, and you you went 451 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: back to the D League. What's it like to go 452 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: back after you've been in the show, right, you've been 453 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: in the NBA, to then go back to the Hell 454 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: is that is that harder or easier to be in 455 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: the D League as opposed to when you're in the 456 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: D League before you've gotten Maybe, Uh, it's you know, 457 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: you definitely have to have a strong head. You know, 458 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: you have to humble yourself. It's very difficult to um 459 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: take a step down after you had success, you know, 460 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: winning the championship, being on some top teams. You know, 461 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: it's not like I was playing for the Grizzlies, you know, 462 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: And uh, the Raptors for a while. You know, of 463 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: course they want. But I was able to at least 464 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: elevate myself from the Clippers, you know, to Detroit, Indiana 465 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: and be able to play on both sides of the 466 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: coast and be able to take all that in was great. 467 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: But then you had that you take all that into 468 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: a bubble and you have to take it down to 469 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: the minor leagues. So you're like, okay, you have to 470 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: be mentally prepared, preparation so you just don't feel like 471 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: you're in a spot where you can't get out, and 472 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: you have to use this as a moment to help 473 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: other players out that are trying to get where you 474 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: where you've gone. So you have to look at it 475 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: in a positive way. So my thing was, if I'm 476 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: coming back down here, I'm gonna be a you know, 477 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: a stand up veteran so called you know, Hey, I'm 478 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: gonna be a teachable guy. I can teach you the 479 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: dudes and the don't you know, Hey, this how I 480 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: got my first call up. You effing up this way? 481 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: Try it this way, okay, Um, put some more time 482 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: in here, Hey, talk to the coach some more. All 483 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: the intangibles you know, you know how this You need 484 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: to do all the intangible stuff sometimes to survive in 485 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the league, you know. And uh, for me, I felt 486 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: I survived long enough at that time to be able 487 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: to give advice to the youngsters. And uh they needed 488 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: these days, you know. They they're they're built different this 489 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: this day and age, and it's been like that for 490 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: a while now. But uh it, I had to use 491 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: it as a teaching moment so I wouldn't feel like, Okay, 492 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm down here in the minor leagues. Man, I'm depressing. 493 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: You're getting that mold sometimes. But you have to put 494 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: yourself out, man, to make sure you're using yourself as 495 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: a positive for somebody else. Okay, Um, let's go back 496 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: to when you're in Detroit during the NBA Finals. M Okay, 497 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: like you grew up Laker fan, now you're with the Pistons. Okay, 498 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: what did you think going into the series? Like we 499 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: like we got him or I mean, like, remember they 500 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: had Karmalone, that Gary Payton, they had Shack, they had Kobe. 501 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: Everybody knew that Shack and Kobe weren't vibing at that 502 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: point in time, but I'm not sure anybody knew how 503 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: bad it was. But what do you remember? What do 504 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: you remember not going into that series? Um, I definitely 505 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: remember that we were the underdog. Uh, we weren't supposed 506 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: to be there anyway. I believe Indiana was the best 507 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: team that year with Jermaine and Run, they were the 508 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: best team. And then you had New Jersey still with 509 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: Jason and Kim. So uh, we were the underdog period, 510 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, straight out, and that was fine with us. 511 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: I really think that kind of helped us. I felt 512 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: that the Lakers kind of took us for granted because 513 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: we didn't have a solid, solid big man and when 514 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: we don't have a big man with Shack, that spills disaster. 515 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: And we had Rashid and Ben and both of those 516 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: guys stepping up to the plate was unbelievable. But going 517 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: there that first game in l A and be able 518 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: to play in the finals and see and uh, and 519 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: be able to be at Staples in which and and 520 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: be a part of that, the energy level was you 521 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: can't explain it, you know, being home right now on 522 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: the final try help man, So you you dressed? You 523 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: dressed that game? No, I want to I wanna bench. 524 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: I miss im street clothes. But because you're your street clothes. 525 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: You walk out your staples, yes, your staples, and they 526 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 1: won the last two championships, right, and they roll out 527 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: with with with all these stars, right, you got you guys, 528 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: roll in and what paint? Because this is what you're 529 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: gonna tell your kids for the next thirty forty years. Well, 530 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: what was it? Like? What do you remember? You're going 531 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: out and you're walking down the first thing you see 532 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: is the two thousand four finals on the floor, and 533 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my goodness, this is this is real 534 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: right now? Okay, this is we're we are definitely here 535 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: right now. This is where it's at. You see things 536 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: on TV so much not just able to say hey 537 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: I was there, you know, and uh, you want to 538 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: take a step further, Doug and say hey, I wanted 539 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: to play. I wish I actually was in that game, 540 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: you know. Um, And but the energy is still the same, 541 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, the energy is still the same when you're 542 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: actually there, You're you're you're still aging your teammates on 543 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm hype coming out with teams calling time out. 544 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go, let's go, we got it, got it. 545 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: So you automatically take on the energy as if you 546 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: were out there and uh just but you know you're 547 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: right next our Kobe is right taking the last shot, 548 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, right next to my bench, and I'm like, 549 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: this might go win right here, you know, he sues 550 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: the three last second and helf of win. Uh. I 551 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: believe Game one it was either game one of the 552 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: game too, because we split games in l A. So 553 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: game one game one you got, uh yeah, check that 554 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: real quick. Game one, you guys won eighties seven to 555 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: seven and the five held them. You guys held them? 556 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: Do they beat you in overtime? Eighty and eighty seven? 557 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: Like that's that? That that that's crazy? Yeah, I mean like, look, 558 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: they had dudes. Rick Fox I think got heard. I 559 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: think car Malone got her. Gary Payne was hurt. I 560 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: mean they had a lot of you know people forget 561 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: that crawl and Gary was on that squad you know 562 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: as well. But they were hurt that year, and you know, 563 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: for us to take advantage of that was great because 564 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: we really, I mean me, I'm thinking, like we have 565 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: all these Hall of famers on this team, my goodness, 566 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: and you know, once I think we saw their weakness 567 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: and just made sure we play solid defense. That was 568 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: what was the weakness. Well, once you had once Toby 569 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: and Shaq couldn't get on the same page. After we 570 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: saw that, they okay, we'll we'll double team shot act 571 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: with throwing out to Kobe. Kobe wouldn't throw it back in, 572 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: so that kind of made a little risk between them 573 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: and we kind of saw that. And then next thing, 574 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, we're doubling Shock and Shack is like, threw everybody, 575 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm taking it, and we saw Set kind of get 576 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: out his game a little bit. Um after that, the players, 577 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, you asked, you know that, you know, everybody 578 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: else on the Lakers team really trying to help them, 579 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: trying to get together, and you know, and after that, 580 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: that's where your mind is off there focusing on trying 581 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: to get Kobe and Shocked together when they need to 582 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: be focusing on us. Rashid is a guy who everybody 583 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: who's ever played on the st courtis and was like 584 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: that dude has always been one of the top five 585 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: most talented dudes in the league. Right, But there were 586 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of he wasn't a workout guy, right, He 587 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: didn't Enjobe with all coaches, But for that period of time, 588 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: people remember he was traded first to Atlanta for like 589 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: a day and then truck. What did Larry Brown do? 590 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: Because that was the best he ever played in terms 591 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: of both ends and being engaged fully, Like, how did 592 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: it work that Larry Brown made it work? Uh, that's 593 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: a good question, Doug. You know Larry. You wouldn't think 594 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: Larry and Received what kind of co mingo? You know? 595 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: And it didn't work at times, but Larry actually took 596 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: a step back with Received and kind of let him, 597 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, uh do what he does. And that's what 598 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: you have to do with Raschi. You know, he's uh, 599 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: you know him, his his his meant so and everything 600 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: is always he's high strung, so he's always like, yeah, 601 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: let's go, let's this and that. And once that kind 602 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: of spilled on the team in a positive way, it worked. 603 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: You know a lot of a lot a lot of 604 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: the top guys were quiet then was quiet. Rick was quiet, 605 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: Chauncey was quiet, John Chaunty super Chung is super quiet. Right, 606 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: he was very thoughtful and quiet. Much like the same way. Like, 607 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: it's an interesting mix that it all worked at Yeah, 608 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: it was very interesting. So Rashid came and change the dynamics, 609 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, and made players open up, you know and 610 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: be vocal and that that we needed that and that 611 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 1: kind of fitted perfect. You know, you needed that vocal 612 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: guy that gave everybody else that little chip on their shoulder. 613 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: And that's where Rashid came in and did um okay 614 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: Ben Wallace at that time, that's like peak Ben Wallace. 615 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: But there's a dude from like nowhere, like no one 616 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: had ever heard of this dude. And then the guy 617 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: looks like a Greek god. H well, what's Ben Wallas 618 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: really like? To be around? Ben was great. That was 619 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: one of the best players teammates to be around on 620 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: that team. You know, we had a little connection with 621 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, dusted shoulders all coming out to start in 622 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: line up when you know they do the introduction. We 623 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: dost each other shuldles off and who how that? How 624 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: that him to be like, who's like yo heo, I'm 625 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: gonna dust you that your idea was that this idea? 626 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Did you see it somewhere else? Uh? You know? I 627 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: remember everybody said, remember Jason said, that's the shoulders that 628 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: that's the shoulders off song. So he would come out 629 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: being with and run through the lineup. You know, he 630 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: would walk and I'm saying, since being taking this time, 631 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: he's too cool, let me just dust his shoulders on, okay, 632 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: because you know, being wild walk his arms, he's got 633 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: garters walking. You know, you're like, hey, hey, hey, I said, 634 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: you know what, you don't even have to give me 635 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: high I'm just gonna dust your shoulders on, and then 636 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: something soon to be. He would dust mine on, and 637 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: then okay, I said, you know what, thank you being 638 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm a popular collar, so I Popper's College and deep 639 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: pop mine and we rolled that all the way to 640 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: the championship. So you know, something like that, you're never 641 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: gonna forget because that's part of that team. Karaterie. You 642 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: you you win game five, okay, and people forget no 643 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: team and ever won all three in a row at 644 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: home as the as the underdog, right or as the 645 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: lower seed. So you you you win. You've been through 646 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: a lot of ship right, like it was like sixteen 647 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: high schools you went through last time, and to colleges, right, 648 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: d league overseas Achilles injury, right, But but you didn't play. 649 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: So I have a buddy who who was on the 650 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: He's played in the playoffs, with other teams, and he 651 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: was on the Cubs World Series winning team, and he 652 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: was like, doesn't really mean anything to me because I 653 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: didn't play. But for you, when you went through it 654 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: and you're celebrating, how connected to that team did you 655 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: feel like when you guys celebrate, Um, I felt connected. 656 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: But I understand. I mean, what's your friend is saying 657 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: because you don't have on the uniform, you know, but 658 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: you're on a bench and I'm saying, hey, yeah, I'm 659 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: I'm in a street clothes, but I'm over here just 660 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: as happy as everybody else, you know. And you have 661 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: moments where you saying I would have loved just getting 662 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: in there for twenty seconds, you know, if I could 663 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: just bail somebody out real quick man in game the game, 664 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: you have that thought and saying, hey, maybe they might 665 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: address me this game. You know, I've been surprised like 666 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: that in my whole career. You're gonna have that time. 667 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. But then in highsight, you're like, you're 668 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: getting all the rewards and you're reaping all the benefits 669 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: as if you were playing. And so you and you 670 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: in party like your party like you had I said, hey, yeah, 671 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna party, you know, like it's nineteen nine. Okay, 672 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: here's here's the question. I always wondered always won these? Okay, 673 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: so you win the championship, you guys all go out together. 674 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: We did that night. Yeah, we all went out and 675 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: we that that was there. We did one night. You know, 676 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: some teams are probably go out the whole week together, 677 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, but you know we did celebrate as a team, 678 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: uh that night, and you know we had fun. You know, 679 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: they gave us a whole little floor. Uh you know 680 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: to have fun, a little b I P and we 681 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: just have fun. Man, we have fun. We okay, but 682 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: it's okay. So but again you're like a minimum contract dude, 683 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: Yeah were you were you ducking the need the bill? 684 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: You're like yo Rushi? Who who pays the bill on 685 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: nights like that? Oh? You know what that that was 686 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: always a thing of mine, you know you laugh on 687 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: the total post. So they always had the bill covered, 688 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: you know. So one thing big ups to Lamar, you 689 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: know l O when out to the Clipper, is he 690 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: always covered the bill. Uh. You know you had you 691 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: you had ripped. You know, we covered the build a 692 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: lot that that was good. You know we They never 693 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: made me feel like I had to put my two 694 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: cents in my crowds. You know, keep your chump change 695 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: in your wallets. Right, You're okay, you like, man, I 696 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: get them right. I remember my first time I got 697 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: NBA predem was like ninety five dollars a day. This 698 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: is a yeah, you're like, hold on, I could get 699 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: used to this. I could really was. I got a 700 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: funny story, uh Brent Price to a friend of mine, 701 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: and he likes to tell the story that, um, what 702 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: was the name of Big Dog not not not Robinson 703 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: from Purdue the big Dog they had in Utah with 704 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: the glasses. So he goes, so he told me stories 705 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, we're in Utah. We used to go on 706 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: this like once a year. We go on like a 707 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: fifteen fifteen day road trip whatever, right, and so whatever 708 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: the per diem was like a day and you get 709 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: it like in cash and like our first stop we 710 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: went somewhere and he's like, this is right when like 711 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: the portable disc movie things came out. Oh yeah yeah yeah, 712 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: and they both they got a Best Buy together, and 713 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, big Dog has got like a sweatshirt, he's 714 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: got his Oakleys on and I got you know, like 715 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: I got a park on. We're on the road. We're 716 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: like in Minnesota, and we go to a best Buy 717 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: and like he literally looked like my bodyguard, Like, hey, big, 718 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: I had some big bucket. I borrow some money so 719 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: I can get this you know, display play pay cash board. 720 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, you reach into your your chest pocket and 721 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: you pull out you know, like two grand in cash 722 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: that you just right, you know. Yeah, Chump changed that 723 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: to the dudes that that stuck in the league, but 724 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: everybody else it was okay. Um, what is the rehab 725 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: like of coming off of Achilles Tenant? Uh? The rehab 726 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: for me, it was the younger you are, the better, 727 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: the faster you're recovery. I had to, you know, to 728 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: to Achilles chip. My first one was my left and uh, 729 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: I bounced back off that one. And that's before I 730 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: even played a day in the NBA, you know, So 731 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: I came I came into the NBA already broken. You know. Um, 732 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: it was a blessing. I was able to recover fast 733 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: off that first Achilles here. But it's a lot to 734 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: consistent rehabbing and do have to make sure you don't 735 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: any rehab. Um, you know, the first three three months, 736 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, the therapy and know rehab this cruise so 737 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, muscle memory is really important for your body, 738 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, and you have to teach that all over again, 739 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, And that's the frustrating parts, like teaching the 740 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: baby on the wall and you're looking at your foot 741 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: and you're like, will you please walk? Please walk? And 742 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't. You know, it's not an ankles frame, you know. 743 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: So you definitely have to let uh, you know, muscles 744 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: here and actually be able to be committed to wanting 745 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: to get back. You enjoyed the same one twice or 746 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: each differently know you were the right one. Um I 747 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: tore than the right one in two thousand and two 748 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: thousand and five, two thousand six, and tell you the truth, 749 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: it went from maybe ten months up healing ten eleven 750 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: months to a year and a half for the next one. 751 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, it definitely took a toll on me 752 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: to rehab at least get back just to this level, 753 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, just to get back to surface level, and 754 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: then another you know, uh, six months just to try 755 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: to get your game back. So you're looking at two 756 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: years that I was burnt out, you know, with you know, 757 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,479 Speaker 1: having a second keyly injury, and I knew the level 758 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 1: competition wasn't gonna be. I wouldn't be able to peek out. 759 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: So you know, I was making um openings for me 760 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: to go play and overseas leaves that we weren't high level. 761 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't keep up anymore. And you know 762 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: that the A B you know, the A League you 763 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: go kind of be you know, you would pick certain places, 764 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: um um, Philippines, Venezuelge, you know all the little places 765 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: that Philippines, Venezuela, Puerto Rico are all places to get 766 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 1: a quick quick quick money, right, yeah? Are you already 767 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: quick quick quick money? N Yes? So when did you 768 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: decide can't do this ship I'm done? Uh, great question, 769 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: I would say, Uh, it just would have to be. 770 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: Actually it was. It was your insect and my body 771 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: just would not recover as fast as I wanted to. 772 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: And then you're looking at guys, you're laying everything up. 773 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, tray, you lost it. Huh, you ain't 774 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: got it no more. And I'm like, hey, two points 775 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: is two points. But then you tell yourself like, gosh, 776 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: I wish I could have you know, got up higher 777 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: your reaction. You know, your step slow so people can 778 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: recover block your shot. You know people are recovering on you. Uh, 779 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: you go one way and come back left, they're already there. 780 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: You have already changed my gaming all right to help 781 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: fit my Now that game definitely caught up to my bad. 782 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: So what's what years? For years? You're like, this has 783 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: to be you know my last place that I played, Uh, 784 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: Doug was sirious and when I when I was like, 785 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: oh man, I mean I was right. You know, only 786 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: a fence separated me and a Turkish embassy with guys 787 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: having a k's on their shoulders. I'm looking out the 788 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: winter like, wow, I'm really just close, you know. Uh, 789 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: it was an experience. You know, you never saw women's 790 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: you only can see their eyes. They they showed their bodies, 791 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, they to mean a lot of just 792 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: dirt roads. You know know, I actually had some footage to Syria. 793 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get off my hard dry uh. And 794 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: if I been able to let people see what it is, 795 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: what was the basketball? Like? The basketball wasn't that bad? 796 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: You know? Uh? They the guy on there who they 797 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: called their, who called their Michael Jordan, who's actually good, 798 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, you're the best Syrian 799 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: I've seen play. And I said, if anybody that I've 800 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: seen that its Syrian, he deserves a shot. He was 801 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: really good. But over all, you know, the competition was 802 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: where I wanted it to be. But then you have 803 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: to have everything worked out over there, and when you 804 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: don't get paid and you're on somebody else, that's soil 805 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: for the you know, first month or two and you 806 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: start getting nervous and it's all these excuses and finally 807 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: you get you know, come in your mind. You just 808 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: get uh late with things. Yeah, just like I got 809 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta go, and that that was 810 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: I gotta go. Was I gotta go home? And retired? 811 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 1: So you called, you call Bill Napp and just go, hey, 812 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm done. Did you just let it, let it, let 813 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: it live for a while, like how did you handle 814 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: you know what? I actually I actually retired before before that, 815 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: Before that, I played for the North Dakota Business two 816 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: thousand nine and then that was my last time playing 817 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: in the States. Who's your coach? Uh? Who was the 818 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: coach for the King's two years ago? He played the 819 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: coach for the Dave Dave. Thank you Dave. I played 820 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: against Davis. Dave was the coach in Dakota Wizards in 821 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: the U s b L as well, or he was 822 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: a coach in the usb LS when it was No. 823 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: One of the Maybe no he was he was a 824 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: coach of a different team in the U s b L. Yeah. Wow, 825 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: I played for the USBL to the Brooklyn Kings. But 826 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: that's another story to a year that was. Oh that 827 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: was before I even got into the NBA. So that 828 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: was probably that had to be like ninety like oh, 829 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: that had to be like yeah, yes, two dollars and 830 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: I played for the usb L Oklahoma Storm, Okay, and 831 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: we had a squad we had, I mean that was 832 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: that ship was crazy. Remember almost Willie Willie Burton, Um, yeah, yeah, 833 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: Willie Willie Burton was one. Who else do we have? Uh? Yeah, 834 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: we had um we had Bubba Wells, Bubba Wells. That 835 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: was I've ever come with. Yeah, I got I could 836 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: go through the list of dudes we had. We had 837 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: really really good bunch of guys that played, uh in 838 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: the NBA. Okay, So um so then what so you 839 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: decide all right, you thought you were done, you go 840 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: this here you come back now, I now I'm done. Yeah, 841 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: then what do you? What do you do? Because I 842 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: do think that there's some of those guys that are 843 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: the elite level NBA guys, it's hard for them to 844 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: come down and to to be have real life. But 845 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: you've been, You've had the scrap for everything you've ever had. 846 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: So what did you have a plan? Like? What do 847 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: I want to do when I'm not playing basketball? Uh? 848 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: You know what. It took a while for me to 849 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of get I was, you know, kind of you 850 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: know in a in a in a in the days 851 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,439 Speaker 1: of what should I do next? You know, and that's 852 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: a lot of us. And my thing was, I want 853 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: to stay as close as possible. So I said, let 854 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: me just start training, you know, training kids and coaching, 855 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: and then I started doing hey you. And then finally 856 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: somebody said, hey, Track, weren't you trying to get back 857 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: into the NBA? But this is just a couple of 858 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: years and three years out and you know, knowing if 859 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: I had that chance again, I never would have took 860 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,439 Speaker 1: both my feet out the NBA. Once you take both 861 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: feet out, you know, you're pushed out. And my thing 862 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,879 Speaker 1: was I tried the Yeah, assistant coaches program that they 863 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: had in seven and after that, I said, you know what, 864 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: we gotta find that it's consisted for me. So I said, well, 865 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,879 Speaker 1: let me get a regular job and be a p coach. 866 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: And I said, okay, let me go to school and 867 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: work with kids. And that kind of got me on 868 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 1: my second patent, which was referee in. And that led 869 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: me in and say, you know, this is me close 870 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: to the game, maybe calls and I'm able to control 871 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,919 Speaker 1: something that I had a passion for us a long ago. 872 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking at myself, like, man, I wish I would 873 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,720 Speaker 1: have thought it is if I got to have the NBA, 874 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: I probably would have been Yeah. So you know it's 875 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: not it's never too late, but it's a passion that 876 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm loving to pursue now and maybe after high school. 877 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, high school seasons back, which is great, but 878 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: my help for myself to try college basketball out and 879 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: I got it. I got a T from an official 880 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: this weekend, and I want to ask your I ask 881 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: if you had a T now, look there were thirteen 882 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: year old kids, and I said it and it was 883 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: allowed Jim, but I did not yell at him at all. Yeah, 884 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: I had a dude come in, drove in and leans 885 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,800 Speaker 1: in with his shoulder and guess what I thought was 886 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: named one he called an offensive foul. Yeah, and dude 887 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: looked like you right, like he's like six six like 888 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: a guy, looked like he was he had hooped. So 889 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: he comes well, he comes by me, and I was like, hey, man, 890 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: you look like you played so you know that was 891 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: a shitty call, right, That's what I said. So he 892 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: banged me and I was like, what did you give 893 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 1: me a tea? Boards like, now, I'm a grown assan, 894 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, you know, be cut cutting to me. I 895 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,919 Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about? I said, shot, yeah, wow. 896 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: See now I'm not surprised, but I'm surprised that somebody 897 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: that would be a former ball that looked like they 898 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: played ball with actually take that sensitive and the thing 899 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: bee where I have a report with the players and 900 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: the coaches and the fans. You know, you gotta put 901 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: your ego to side. You gotta set your ego down, 902 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: set your pride to the side. I never called texts 903 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 1: on players and coach unless you really ask for because 904 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: you have to have a report and a lot of 905 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: rests want to control the game where they get sensitive 906 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: and they can't handle any little you know, uh thing 907 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: that somebody says, and they're quick to see up somebody 908 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: quickly though, parents now quick for you know, telling a player, 909 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tea you up next time. And that's where 910 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 1: because I have a report with everybody before the game. 911 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: You know, uh, my personality, it spreads, you know, on 912 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: the court and you can see that gonna be a 913 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: good game and I don't have to take it to 914 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: a level you're able to talk. Some message have told 915 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: me that. I was like, hey, you know what, I'm 916 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: ad to watch the tape again. You might be you 917 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:07,439 Speaker 1: know that anybody any any anybody does um uh yeah? 918 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: Do you Does anybody know like has there been a 919 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: dad or a coach accounty? Like way, wait, okay, this 920 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: dude played and ABC D camp, He Wonts state championships, 921 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,919 Speaker 1: He played cal at Fresno, he played in the league. 922 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: You want the NBA Championship right when you're running up 923 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: and down making calls like this, do it? Does anybody know? Uh? Yes? 924 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: And it's it's pretty cool, uh that, you know. I 925 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: still sometimes I get that extra as one. You know, 926 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: I'm only an hour from Cal. You know, um two 927 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: hours from Fresno. So teams from cal you know, from 928 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: the Bay Area and Fresnel come up here all the time. 929 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: And you know, it feels good to say, hey, somebody said, man, 930 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: you were you were my favorite player in Fresno. Come 931 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: take it. I get a picture. You know, people see 932 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 1: in they're like, who is he? You know, who's this 933 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: guy right here? And uh, you know that somebody might 934 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: come and say, hey, did you some eight ball? And 935 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: it just brings you back around to two when you played, 936 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 1: and you know, people kind of give me love. And 937 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: that's what I kind of liked out this. You know, 938 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: people kind of remember, you know, not everybody. You know, 939 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: somebody might even say, hey, you look like a guy 940 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: that play that cat. I'm like, folks, yeah, that's me. 941 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: I get I get you look like you had dog 942 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: Goli Like I get that all the time, right, not 943 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: actually you, but you look like him? Right? So what 944 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,359 Speaker 1: is that guy? Looks short, white, handsome, that's me? Um 945 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,319 Speaker 1: you said you mentioned the book talking about the book. 946 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: The book is from the Shaw to the Chick, from 947 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: Chrisshaw to the Championship man. And uh, we're working on 948 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: the published field right now, and I'm looking for it 949 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,919 Speaker 1: to be out this summer this summer, and it's gonna 950 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: be a good book, dug. And I'm hoping that this 951 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 1: book can not only get to the youth, you know, 952 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: all the way up to college and grown people. But 953 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,880 Speaker 1: I want this story to be where I can just 954 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: I can have an impact on other players that had 955 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: way more success than I've had in the NBA, made 956 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: way more money. But what did happen after that? You 957 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 1: don't have anything left? You know, all the players I 958 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: even looked up to know, uh, and so like, wow, man, 959 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,480 Speaker 1: they lost all their money, and maybe that story could 960 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: he just like I said, with my story help a 961 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: lot of the players that's coming up to not make 962 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: that game mistake. I mean, it's unbelievable now that you like, 963 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: guys like Antoine Walker lose a hundred something million, you know, 964 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: iverson waiting on his money to fall through. You know, 965 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,919 Speaker 1: I'm glad that Reebok saw that and you know left 966 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: money for him, you know, back in the story, so 967 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: he could have something, right, a hundred billion, a guy 968 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: like me only made a couple of million, okay before taxes, Okay, 969 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 1: so uh, like yeah, I had to pay four percent 970 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: of my agent and I lost taxas right right, and 971 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: and I wasn't I wasn't signing guaranteed deal. You know 972 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: your guaranteed deals. And I'm still telling this story, so right, 973 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: So maybe this will help you know a lot of 974 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: players that you know, people can't believe that they lost 975 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: all that money. And still if if you show that 976 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 1: you're still here to tell your story, that makes yourself 977 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: that much better and that much uh, that more, that 978 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 1: that respect is going to come back that much more. 979 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: You know, people want to hear the bad, the good, 980 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: the bad and ugly, and that's what the book tells you. 981 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 1: That tells you the unbelievable highs under the unbelievable loans 982 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: and in the midpoint that you had to stake you 983 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,760 Speaker 1: get over the sod. I'm gonna give you. You're getting 984 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,400 Speaker 1: copies soon as stay the hard backs print. I'm I'm 985 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: gonna sending something to you. Tell me what you think, man, 986 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 1: we'll read it. I'll read it. I'm I'm part So 987 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, yeah, maybe of course you know 988 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: I named all the teammates A, B, C. D. Okay, 989 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, did you get the part of my dad 990 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: sat you did you You didn't remember that we got 991 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: that in there. We made some special model to get 992 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: that in there because you told that story, and that's 993 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: one of my bear stories. Ever, it's you mentioned, You 994 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: mentioned this, and it's important. It's a you have. You 995 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that even in the NBA, you had to have 996 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,720 Speaker 1: a coach who had who gave you confidence, that confidence 997 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,880 Speaker 1: in you. It's's a really a hard thing. As a coach. 998 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,239 Speaker 1: We have to kind of know a guy and know 999 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,919 Speaker 1: that all of all of us are insecure on some level. 1000 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: We need somebody is some way to get that. Because 1001 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: we talk in and I think in TV and radio 1002 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: we talked about so many things that don't matter, whereas 1003 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: what really matters is like what kind of condition you're 1004 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: conditioning because you're hired, right, that can come from some 1005 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: dudes just can run all day no matter what you 1006 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: can't right. Some dudes, you know, Gary Payton could put 1007 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 1: down his last year, go to shoot around, sleep all day, 1008 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 1: get up, bloop at night, right and just do it. 1009 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: Some guys gotta be in at ten o'clock every night. 1010 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: Get the bed for those I can't play. We don't 1011 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: talking aboubout conditioning. We don't talk enough about confidence, his confidences. 1012 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, like I couldn't shoot in college because I 1013 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: always felt like if I missed my coach and take 1014 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: me out. I was like, if I don't shoot right? 1015 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: And then I played for a guy. Uh do you 1016 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: know Mass Track? Do you know mass at all? So 1017 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: his brother Mark just retired as women's coach at SC. 1018 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: Mass is like an assistant with the Wizards now with 1019 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: Marcus Nashville. Huh what did you say mass tracks track? Okay, no, no, 1020 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,800 Speaker 1: no no. So he was coaching me in the A 1021 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: B A and he was like, look, here's the deal. 1022 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: If you turn down a good shot, I'm taking you out. 1023 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 1: I love him already. I love He's like, I'm not 1024 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: talking about a shitty shot. You come open, and you 1025 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,879 Speaker 1: turned down a shot, I'm taking you out. I'll never 1026 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: get So we're playing. We're playing the Detroit Dogs. I 1027 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 1: just got off a plane from Israel because they're around 1028 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: the money. Yeah yeah, and I gotta meet them. I 1029 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: gotta meet them. And Mr Godlib, will you leave? We 1030 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,400 Speaker 1: pay you eventually? Maybe, you know, Like no, so I 1031 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: never got first. I'm in layup lines. Okay. And this 1032 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: is what Syria reminds me of I can't remember what country. 1033 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,440 Speaker 1: Todd Bergen is playing for the Detroit Dogs played against 1034 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,520 Speaker 1: me Syracuse Times of Good dude, He's like, what you 1035 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: what do you just get back from us? Like Israel. 1036 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 1: It's like he's like, oh, for real, I was in 1037 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 1: the Middle East too. He's like, I was in um. Oh, 1038 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: I was in not Cutter, he was in um What 1039 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,120 Speaker 1: was the country that we attacked? Not Iraq? Next to it? 1040 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: I ran, let me see in in the goal for 1041 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 1: the first goal for what was that country? God? Camera, 1042 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: hold up, I'll find it, okay, I can happen in 1043 00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 1: my memory? Or quaitait? I was like, I was, I was. 1044 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: I was like, man, what was that like? He's like, man, 1045 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,800 Speaker 1: money was straight. He's like, couldn't see the women he 1046 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,200 Speaker 1: set their eyes? Good weed though. I was like, alright, 1047 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: like anyway, I never yet like we come off of 1048 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: I like I come off with a little horns like 1049 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 1: Mary for like, come down, I check in the game, 1050 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: come off a little horns. They roll, everybody drops back. 1051 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm wide ass open, I'm pass the ball like I 1052 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: just got in the game. Takes me out the game. 1053 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,320 Speaker 1: He's like, what the fund did I tell you? Turned 1054 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: out of the shot coming out. It was awesome. It 1055 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: was awesome to confidences. What was the best way to 1056 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: make you confident? Uh, to tell me that, you know, 1057 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 1: not take me out after my mistakes, you know, and 1058 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: the coach just to get in your ear and tell 1059 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,280 Speaker 1: you that, like, don't please, just like that. I'm a 1060 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,720 Speaker 1: trickle down for everybody else too, if they see that 1061 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: you had that confidence and you're you know, and you're 1062 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: the guy to At the same time, that spills down 1063 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: on everybody else. They're saying, hey, coaches, letting trade relax. 1064 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: He's out here pressing. Now. I'm able to make and 1065 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: get you in the game, get you in the game, 1066 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: knowing I'll be able to get myself. So it works 1067 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 1: out all different kind of ways. Uh. But the coach, 1068 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 1: it's so crucial, and you know, it's implemental on your 1069 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: success sometimes and uh you know, for me, I had 1070 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: some good ones, I had some bad ones. But I 1071 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: have to say ended right there. You know something that's 1072 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,880 Speaker 1: best coach, best coach played for us you for you, 1073 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: not the best coach, but just coach for you. Coach 1074 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: for me would be job right, you know. That was 1075 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,440 Speaker 1: then ibl for the Cincinnati Uh stuff. Uh, he left. 1076 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,640 Speaker 1: He let me go hunt in a week. Uh maybe 1077 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: yeah about five yeah, about four yep, yep, five hundred 1078 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: a week, two thousand a month. There you go. And 1079 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: I was happy in Cincinnati in the snow. So yeah. 1080 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: But you know, great coaches, hall of fame coaches. I 1081 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 1: love them all up, you know you Jerry was good. 1082 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,880 Speaker 1: Um uh, Coach Brown, Larry was great, Willie West was good, 1083 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: great too. You know, I have some I was fortunate 1084 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,160 Speaker 1: enough to play for some legendary coaches. So now let 1085 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: don't let me not mention their you know, mention them. 1086 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,800 Speaker 1: They were great. But as far as the connection was going, 1087 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, Joe be right, definitely getting a confidence, you know, 1088 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,080 Speaker 1: and thats Roite the only year while average, you know, 1089 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 1: in my life, you know, so I'm always gonna remember 1090 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: that because that's part of happen put up numbers is 1091 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 1: you've got to have a coach on your side or 1092 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: in your back pocket, you know, from the shot to 1093 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,560 Speaker 1: the chip. That's me awesome And hopefully I'll see you 1094 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: when we roll up to Sacramento or hit me up 1095 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: when you come down back to back to your old 1096 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 1: hearts in l A. I really appreciate your time to say. 1097 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: This has been really fun. Man, it's been fun. Man. 1098 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 1: It's been so natural with us because we get so 1099 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: many things that we related to. Man, so it's always 1100 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,160 Speaker 1: a pleasure I like to do. Man. I think I 1101 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: can I remind you, no, I think my ship, my 1102 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: it's going to. Man, kids, give me my ship's going 1103 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 1: to But you're black, so it's not fair. You look 1104 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,960 Speaker 1: good like that, like you're You're gonna look at the 1105 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 1: same age the rest of your life and I'm just 1106 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,760 Speaker 1: gonna get older and older and old. Oh man, hey, 1107 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,680 Speaker 1: only tastes one day. Man, I'm gonna try to keep 1108 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 1: drinking my water right here. All right, gee, I appreciate 1109 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: you joining me. Yeah, hey, for real, man, thanks for 1110 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 1: having me on. Man. We will be in contact. I'll 1111 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,800 Speaker 1: let you know, keep you up to fake alright, alright, alright, 1112 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: that's it for my boy t Folks join me. I 1113 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: really appreciate you downloading and listening. Uh. We'll get you 1114 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: ready for the NBA playoffs and also some NBA draft talk. 1115 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Plus we have Brian Butch pods. We have two of 1116 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,760 Speaker 1: them that will drop next week. Brian Butch all American 1117 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Center at Wisconsin, his mere curial journey to broadcasting, all 1118 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 1: the different places he played, and why he never made 1119 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: it to a game in the NBA. That that's upcoming 1120 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 1: with our next pod. 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