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Speaker 1: Welcome to this special edition of The Drive on Steelers days.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're still having some minor technical difficulties. We're setting

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Speaker 1: the runner a second on that one. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can't even I flinched my head. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale. Lalla. You're listening to this special edition

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Speaker 1: of The Drive here from the upmc rooney Sports Complex

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Speaker 1: where the Steelers are partaking in OTA number five here

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Speaker 1: on the field in front of us at the upmc

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Speaker 1: roney Sports Complex. And one, Matt, lots of stuff happening

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Speaker 1: around the league, and well here with the Steelers as

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Speaker 1: well as guys get through this. The big thing that

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Speaker 1: you don't want to happen this time of year is

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Speaker 1: for somebody to get hurt.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, most player news is bad player news. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I always joke or you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: laugh to myself when you hear reports of this guy's

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Speaker 2: running with the two, this guy is going to be

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Speaker 2: the starter, this guy's in the best shape of his life.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's in the best shape, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: All the guys are coming back from injury full force

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Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff makes me chuckle. But

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Speaker 2: the injury thing is really the headlines that I really

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Speaker 2: pay attention to around the league. You know, if somebody

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Speaker 2: went down, it's like, oh man. But that being said,

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Speaker 2: before we get into that kind of stuff, the environment

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Speaker 2: here today is rocket. I mean, it's I've been really

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Speaker 2: impressed with all the just the environment here. You know

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Speaker 2: that it's a lot of high energy. We've had great

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Speaker 2: weather and a lot of people around. It's buzzing. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a fun place to be right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the players seem to be enjoying themselves.

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Speaker 1: A lot of new faces here with the Steelers, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of work getting done, but a lot of smiles too,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you know, they're enjoying themselves.

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Speaker 1: Interesting thing about the Steelers this year, Matt eighteen returning.

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Speaker 2: Starters Okay, I haven't thought about this, Okay, but.

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Speaker 1: Not all eighteen of those starters are going to be starters.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying eighteen starters from last year are back

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Speaker 2: on the team, correct, But that doesn't mean Dann Moore

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Speaker 2: Junior is gonna be a starter.

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Speaker 1: Or Kevin Dotson or things like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the baseline though, right, and you assume

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Speaker 2: that if they lose their starting job.

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Speaker 1: It's because somebody got better. Somebody better is here.

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Speaker 2: An upgrade but made right. That's an interesting way of

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Speaker 2: looking at it. I mean that adds up. You know,

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Speaker 2: who knows what the cornerback situation will shakeout or exactly

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Speaker 2: how the O line will shake out, but chances are

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Speaker 2: it's going to be better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not. You're not putting somebody in there because

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Speaker 1: he's worse than the guy you're bringing back, who is

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Speaker 1: a starter for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe cornerback's a bad example by me because

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Speaker 2: Sutton would be starting probably if he was back. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Levi Wallace because nobody ever does nobody.

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Speaker 1: People seem to just be coming with the idea that

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Speaker 1: somehow Joey Porter Junior is gonna start, He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: He's going to day one, he's gonna be outside opposite

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, and that's the way it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that that's going to be the case.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is either. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think it's probably safe to say at this stage of

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Speaker 2: his career, Ederson is going to be a starter when

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Speaker 2: there are two corners.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be on the field. He's going to

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Speaker 2: Field, which leaves one in a nickel and whatnot. So

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Speaker 2: to say Porter as good a prospect as he is,

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Speaker 2: I think he was better than the thirty second player

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Speaker 2: in this draft, and I think most.

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Speaker 1: People would agree with that.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's going to beat out the incumbent

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Speaker 2: who's been around the block. And I know fantasy football

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Speaker 2: doesn't apply to defense and especially corners, but those people

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Speaker 2: that play in like idp leagues, individual defensive players. You

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Speaker 2: want rookie corners because they they get a million tackles

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Speaker 2: because everyone attacks them like crazy. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 2: rough spot as a rookie if you're the fifth pick

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Speaker 1: But Levi Wallace last year, if you look at what

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Speaker 1: he did, the reason why a Kello Weatherspoon wasn't playing

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Speaker 1: and then became a little bit obsolete obsolutely, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was because Levi Wallace played pretty well last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right. I mean my thoughts on it.

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Speaker 2: When they made those two signings, they were basically they

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Speaker 1: Loses a job.

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Speaker 2: But nobody seems to give Wallace any credit for having

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Speaker 2: a quality season. People want to give Witherspoon a hard

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Speaker 2: little bit, but no one wants to say, well, there's

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Speaker 2: a reason for that because Wallas played well.

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Speaker 1: In Levi and Wallace. You're talking about a guy who,

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Speaker 1: over the last four seasons has ten interceptions at the

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Speaker 1: cornerback position, including four last year. Yeah, he had thirteen

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Speaker 2: I don't think I would have got that trivia question,

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Speaker 2: you know, like how many interceptions as Wallace have last year.

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Speaker 2: I'd been like, yeah, I can think I'd come up

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Speaker 2: with two. Like he's just under the radar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that seems like that's the story of his career.

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Speaker 1: You're right, right, wrote I wrote a big piece on

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Speaker 1: him on Steelers dot Com earlier this offseason. He had

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Speaker 1: no Division one, not just no no minor Division one offers.

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Speaker 1: He had no Division one offers, and I think he

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Speaker 1: had one Division two offer. Coming out of high school

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Speaker 1: was a small school. Oh it's it's in Tucson. Arizona.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's a hotbed. It's a big school in Tucsa.

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Speaker 1: Like so, but he had no offers. His family, his

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Speaker 1: fans and he grew up his dad actually worked at

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Speaker 1: They were huge Alabama fans. They still had family there

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Speaker 1: his his both of his parents were in the military.

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Speaker 2: You also love to hear his parents in the military,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not just one both, you know, mom and dad

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Speaker 1: to Alabama games. He had the Alabama posters on his wall. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: you know, we've always wanted you to go to Alabama.

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Speaker 1: You're going to go to Alabama. And he's that freshman year.

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Speaker 1: He's not playing football, obviously.

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Speaker 2: Was he even on the team?

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Speaker 1: Student? Just a student, he's a civilian, and you know, obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was concerns about the you know, his

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Speaker 1: he missed football, and his dad says, why don't you go,

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Speaker 1: Why don't you try to walk on the football team

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Speaker 1: at Alabama? Walk on the football team at Alabama. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go walk on to the team that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Alabama with make a Fitzpatrick in the

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Speaker 1: secondary this height, yeah, this this is a soup. I mean,

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Speaker 1: five star recruits across the board in the secondary.

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Speaker 2: And real quick, you know, like my time next door

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Speaker 2: here at Pitt we maybe had two or three walk

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Speaker 2: it's easier to do it next door than it is.

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Speaker 1: A bam bam yeah Bama. Right, So he goes out,

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Speaker 1: tries out for the team as a walk on, makes

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Speaker 2: To be honest, those guys don't get a fair shake.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you're you're you're fodder.

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Speaker 2: Euros at Akron we needed walk ons. Yeah, and there

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Speaker 1: Kids in two hours your time and are here's here's

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Speaker 1: just look of for athletic traits.

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Speaker 2: I probably screwed a kid that didn't deserve it. You

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Speaker 2: got to put a kid on the team that did, didn't,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, that's that's that's a

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Speaker 1: Somebody who showed up that was you know, six five

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Speaker 1: and three hundred pounds, you're on the team.

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Speaker 2: Has like we need some guys that are tackling dummies

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Speaker 2: during the week. Yeah, and there's not enough of them.

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Speaker 2: So that's a tough gig even in itself.

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Speaker 1: The day before or the night before his first spring

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Speaker 2: They haven't had a regular season, they have not. It's

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Speaker 1: His dad dies, wow, you know, and they didn't they

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Speaker 1: you know, He goes, he goes through with the you know,

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Speaker 1: the spring game and all that stuff, and lo and

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Speaker 1: Behold works his way up the depth chart to where

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Speaker 1: two years later he's starting games.

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Speaker 2: At Alabama and became a scholarship.

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Speaker 1: Player, and became a scholarship player and was a starter,

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Speaker 1: a full time starter his senior year on a national

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Speaker 1: championship team.

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Speaker 2: So that's what folks to realize this. So for him

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Speaker 2: to become a scholarship player means you're not giving one

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Speaker 2: to a four or five star record.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and in your Alabama they all want

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Speaker 1: to come, yeah, play for you.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you have a hard time getting kids.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, So I mean that's one, like it's like

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Speaker 2: giving up a second round draft.

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Speaker 1: But he's lining up I like, you know, he's he's

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Speaker 1: lining up opposite of Maury Cooper, He's lining up against

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley in practice. You know, he and so because

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Speaker 1: he's the practice squad guy basically and he said that

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Speaker 1: made him. Yeah, that made him better, and he made

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Speaker 1: those guys better, and and just the coaching staff recognized that.

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Speaker 2: And and for people don't know, I mean, and this

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Speaker 2: goes back to Manka in particular why we love Brian

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Speaker 2: Brandt so much. Saban is notoriously very difficult on his

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Speaker 2: defensive back. I mean, his background was a defensive back coach,

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Speaker 2: then defensive coordinator, and then all time great head coach.

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Speaker 1: But Saban called him the technician, Okay, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: like he said, he's one of the best walk ons

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Speaker 1: we've ever had at Alabama.

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Speaker 2: You know, he didn't make mistakes. He didn't make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: And his NFL career has been much the same. Yea,

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Speaker 1: he goes undrafted. He ran into the four six is

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Speaker 1: you know, coming out of the at the combine, and

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Speaker 1: No, he's gonna be a hard guy to get off

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Speaker 1: Big chance takers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I don't need the mistakes, you know.

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Speaker 1: That makes Porter did really win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just look at that. I think people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been forgotting since he was sixteen year right.

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Speaker 1: It still overcomes he just he just keeps finding a

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Speaker 2: I don't know this, and I should. I think the

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Speaker 1: And in some cases you're kind of like you're it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll have ninety three next week Monday, I'm sorry, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Uh.

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Speaker 1: so it is within range.

434
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Speaker 2: That's the Thursday night or right ninety nine.

435
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 1: In wall start drinking them. Yep, yeah, absolutely, come quick.

436
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a little a little project here, Matt.

437
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's power rank the AFC. Okay, we got

438
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,440
Speaker 1: some stuff going on here in front of us, like

439
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,880
Speaker 1: distractions that is in my brain a little bits making

440
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 1: me a little crazy.

441
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 2: But I can't comment on it.

442
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 1: It's making me nuts. So we'll do we'll do.

443
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 2: I think the easiest way to do it is start

444
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: the boss starts the bottom. Okay, So who's your sixteen.

445
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 2: I think there's three candidates for it, Okay. I think Tennessee,

446
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 2: Houston and the Raiders I think you're lower on the

447
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 2: Colts than I am.

448
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: I know who I have at sixteen.

449
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 2: Though, Okay, who's your sixteen.

450
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: Sixteen for me is the Titans. I think they're going

451
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: to be awful. I do too.

452
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go with Houston though. I think

453
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: the Titans defense is the best unit of the group.

454
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: And I think for Able wins two that he shouldn't.

455
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a tough he.

456
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: Gets that team the six wins this year, he should

457
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: be coaching coach of the Year. He really should. I

458
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 1: just think they're going to be awful.

459
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: I also think a very underrated player that I never

460
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 2: give enough credit is Ryan Tannehill. I mean I think

461
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: he's I think he's shot. I mean, I think he's

462
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: better than Garoppolo. I think we'll have a better year

463
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: than Stroud.

464
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 1: You know, let me just call it their depth chart.

465
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: It's brutal. You tell me rule, you tell me how

466
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: they do anything, especially the offense.

467
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,959
Speaker 2: I mean the offense is it's alm as bad as

468
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 2: the Rams defense, but it's really bad.

469
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 1: Like they bought this wide receiver group, like they need

470
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: Burks to be a guy and Treylon Burks, Nick Westbrook

471
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: atkinne Kyle Phillips. That's their starting three. Oh my god,

472
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: Racy McMath, Colton Dollwell, Chris. They signed Chris Moore. Chris

473
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: Moore is their big offseason sign.

474
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 2: He's gonna play for them, He's gonna play a lot.

475
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh that offensive line. You got Andre Dillard.

476
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: At left tack, who they vastly overpaid.

477
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: Peter Scaranski at left guard.

478
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: Nice pick, that's one of Yeah, if they finally got

479
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: a building.

480
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: Block, Aaron Brewer at center mm hmm, Daniel Brunskill at

481
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Speaker 1: right guard, and Nicholas Petite free Air at right tack.

482
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: He had a rough rookie year two.

483
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: That's a bad offensive bad offensive line, it really is.

484
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: I do like chick a lot, okay, and like he'll

485
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: be on my fantasy teams because everybody else is.

486
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: Somebody else is gonna have somebody has ketch the.

487
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: Ball, somebody sketch a ball. I don't know Derek Henry

488
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: last season. I mean, if I'm the Bills, I'm calling

489
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 2: about him or the Chiefs or somebody like that.

490
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: I didn't love Will Levis coming out, and if they

491
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: turned things over to Levis at some point, where are

492
00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: the wins coming at I.

493
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: Know, I know, but the defense is respectable. I mean

494
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: we're splitting hairs. I mean, Titans. I don't think the

495
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: Texans are good, you know, I mean.

496
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they get Jeffrey Simmons, was like, yeah, yeah,

497
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: Harold Andry Off an injury, but yeah, yeah.

498
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: They have a couple of defections though too.

499
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I just like that secondary Christian Fulton, cornerback,

500
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy Bunning. They still Rodger McCreery, Byard is still there. Byard,

501
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: he could be it. He's older than you think.

502
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: He could be a trade candidate too. Yeah, I think

503
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 2: you could get him with not super expensive. But that's

504
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: just a bad football it is.

505
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: I just think their offense there are the one team

506
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Speaker 1: I just saw this stat so the Ravens. We know,

507
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: we see the Ravens twice a year, of course, how

508
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: how little they throw the football. This is the one

509
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: team that throws it fewer times than the Ravens over

510
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: the last two or three years.

511
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: And they're gonna be playing from behind too.

512
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: A lot, a lot a lot. I think it's a

513
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Speaker 1: bad football team. Oh I do too. I mean, I'm

514
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: not really bad football team. I think, like, is it

515
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: worse than Houston.

516
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: Well, you might have convinced.

517
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: Let's call up Houston's.

518
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: Houston's offenses looks good on paper. Yeah, their defenses.

519
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: So they're their skill position players on offense. Robert Woods, I.

520
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: Mean, he's like the Titans could use Robert Woods.

521
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and they went down that road with

522
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: John Maychie, who was a washed last year.

523
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's been really good news about him. Yeah,

524
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: back to full clear apparently.

525
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nico Collins, who he's.

526
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: Kind of a breakout guy for me.

527
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Nico. You got Noah Brown from Dallas

528
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: who did some did some stuff last year. They drafted

529
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: Dell pretty high, the little tank Dell. Yeah, Steven Simms

530
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: is there.

531
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: Okay, he might not make that team. I mean they

532
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: have good receiver guys. Yeah, they don't have a star,

533
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: but they have NFL receivers.

534
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Their offensive line. To me, I look at their

535
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: offensive line, it is far better, far better, far better.

536
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: It's it's a mediocre offensive line.

537
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: You got Laramie Tuns at left tack, Kenyon Green at

538
00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: left guard.

539
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: He struggled, but the first round. Picking a second year,

540
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, you have high, high hopes.

541
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: You're looking at Juice Scruggs probably at center. I thought

542
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: they drafted him too high, but it's it's starting center,

543
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: Shack Mason at right guard, and Titus Howard at right tackle.

544
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: It's I mean they got they used there's draft capital

545
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: used there there.

546
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they build a little bit of an s for Shroud.

547
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah they really have. You got Dalton Schultz at tight end. No,

548
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: I know you don't love him.

549
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: Well, he's better than I mean, he's he's a quality starter.

550
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. You got Damian Pierce at running.

551
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: Back and they signed what's his face?

552
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: They singletary as well, So I mean that's a nice

553
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: one too, bunch. And he got Mike Boone there, who's

554
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: I forgot. He's not bad.

555
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: And frankly, Davis Mills is a pretty good backup too.

556
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got CJ. Stroud on defense? He added,

557
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: Will you got Sheldon Rankins? Yeah, okay, Malie Collins at

558
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: the other defensive tackle spot, and Jonathan Greenard at the

559
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: right defensive.

560
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: Starting to get some bodies in front. Greener's not a

561
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: bad player, no, no, And what they want to do

562
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: is have a Niner like rotation there. Yeah, they're gonna

563
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: I bet next year there's a lot.

564
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: Of d line linebacker. It's uh Christian Harris who was

565
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: the third round pick last year, Denzel Perryman in the middle,

566
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: and uh Corey Littleton on on the strong side.

567
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: That group really worries me, but more so for this

568
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: team than most because Damiko Ryans has asked more of

569
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: his linebackers than anybody. I mean, he wants Red Warner

570
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: and yeah, they don't have anything close to that.

571
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: You know they did. They did draft Henry too too though. Yeah,

572
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna play facts.

573
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: Him and Harris are gonna have to show themselves.

574
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: Cornerback, he got Steven Nelson, who's okay. Yeah, with Derek Stingley,

575
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: Stingley and Petrick that's and then you got Petrie and

576
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Ward at the safety positions.

577
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: I'll definitely give you Ward's gonna be their leader. He's

578
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 2: their niner bring over. You know, he's a glue guy.

579
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: I mean, Petre is a good young player. They had

580
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: aie year two, and I think Stingley has a chance

581
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: to be a star.

582
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: I'll definitely give you it's a better roster than Tennessee.

583
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just depends on the rookie quarterback. But I'm

584
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: not sure that. You know, five games into the season,

585
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: the Titans aren't starting a rookie quarterback.

586
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he's gonna play and play early. Yeah,

587
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: and I think Tannahill might end up in Atlanta.

588
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: Right, you know? Yeah, So I mean I that I'll

589
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: put the Titan sixteen. Who else you're talking about? The Raiders.

590
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: I think the Raiders are in contention.

591
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: Let's look at that Raiders roster. The d is rough. Yeah.

592
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: So you get DeVante Adams, you gets you Kobe Myers,

593
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: you got Hunter Renfro wide receiver. That's fine.

594
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good group. And Mayer looks like a

595
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: good young tight end.

596
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so the skill position guys are okay, you

597
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: got Austin Hooper there as well, or too right, right, Yeah,

598
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: so they've got guys, but you're counted on Jimmy g

599
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: We don't know if.

600
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: He plays quarterback situation.

601
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Brian Hoyer behind him, right, and Aiden o'connor'connell.

602
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: Ye, it's one of the worst in the league. To me,

603
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's much different than Tampa's.

604
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. The offensive line, Colton Miller, who's a good player.

605
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: They like some of these linemen more than the general

606
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: public realizes. There's some not household names here, but they

607
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: seem pretty content with them, so it's not quite as

608
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: bad as it sounds.

609
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: But it's not good. Dylan Parham is at the left

610
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: guard spot, Andre James at center, Alex Bars at right guard,

611
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: and Jermaine Iluminare.

612
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: That's one of the dudes.

613
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Right. It's not a great line. I mean the Texans

614
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: have a better line. Yeah, the Texans have a better

615
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: line now. On the defensive side of things, this is

616
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: where it's right. You got Max Crosby, who's a star.

617
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: In the first round pick from yeah what we call.

618
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: But they're counting on Jerry Jerry Tillery and Balal Nichols

619
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: on the interior.

620
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: Tillary has been a total wash out.

621
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, not good. You have Chandler Jones. We'll see what

622
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: they get out of him this year. And they drafted

623
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson.

624
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I said the edge guys are good. Yeah. Uh. At

626
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: the linebacker weak side linebackers, Robert Splain, Yeah, yeah. The

627
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: middle linebacker is Divine Diablo who was a strong safety

628
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: in college, and then Duke Shelley at left. Uh. They're

629
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: only listing two linebackers here in the corner. Yeah. So

630
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: the corners, they.

631
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: I guess they're.

632
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Listening to Nickel. They have Rubbins splain out there is

633
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: their nickel. Y ikes. Yeah. So cornerback you get Duke Shelley,

634
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: he got David Long and then the Nichols Nate Hobbs

635
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: not good with Marcus Evans, Marcus Epsen, Trayvon Mowrigg as

636
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: your safety tandem.

637
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: Mo Rigg's one the only guy I like on the defense.

638
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 2: It's not at the end. Yeah, put them fourteen.

639
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: Though, I like I like some of the offensive pieces,

640
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: Like the skill position guys aren't bad. You get Josh

641
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: Jacobs at running back. You could run them football.

642
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: H Yeah, depending their skill guys are way better than

643
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: the Texans are tight.

644
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

645
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: I think Tannehill's noticeably better than Garoppolo, especially if a

646
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: factor and durability.

647
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean Ryan Tannehills last couple of

648
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: years have not been.

649
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't know he's the problem there. I kind of

650
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: feel like he's a bit of a scapegoat. I'm not

651
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: saying he's the answer either, but.

652
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: He's also older, a lot older than people.

653
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: He came in a league older. Yeah, and he was

654
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: he's from the Andrew Luck class.

655
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

656
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean, but to me, they're clearly the bottom three teams.

657
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Looking at Tanney Hills, he started

658
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: twelve games last year. They were six and six in

659
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: the twelve games.

660
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: I did a lot better when he was in as

661
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: opposed to but I mean they were also playing Patrick Willis. Yeah,

662
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: with all respect of Josh Dobbs, he's a journeyman in the.

663
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, but he had thirteen touchdown passes, six interceptions

664
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: the year before that, twenty one touchdown passes, fourteen interceptions,

665
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: thirty seven hundred yards. Like if Kenny Pikett had thirty

666
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards with twenty one touchdown passes and fourteen interceptions,

667
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass on that. That's his number door number two. Yeah. Yeah,

668
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: But somehow they went twelve and five in news games.

669
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Well not somehow, Derrick Henry was otherworldly. Yeah.

670
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Vrabel's a good coach, and they

671
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: were good on defensive special teams and winning the margins.

672
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: And they're not beating people thirty to nothing though.

673
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: No, No, I just look at it. I got I

674
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: gotta put them last. I agree to me.

675
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: You convinced me. I mean I was torn between them

676
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: and the Texans. I think one team's going.

677
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're going opposite directions, and this might

678
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: be the year that they passed each pass passing the night.

679
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Could we agree on the Raiders at fourteen? I think

680
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would. I would put

681
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: the Raiders on the next.

682
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: See to me, though, this is how the AFC really

683
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: gets impressive, because I think there's thirteen good teams. Yeah,

684
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: I mean good. I'm not saying the Super Bowl content.

685
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: Like if they were in the if they were in

686
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: the NFC.

687
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: I might pick they would be they would be a

688
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: car team.

689
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would be the Denvers and Patriots and even

690
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the Colts and these type of teams that we're gonna

691
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: be talking about soon. They're not bad bad though, So

692
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: we're putting the Raiders and then the Texans. Yeah, Texans

693
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: are fifteen, Raiders are fourteen. Okay, Texans and Raiders.

694
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: Right, Are we gonna fight over Texans?

695
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: Raiders? Do that? Okay? Okay? So yeah, I don't have

696
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: a problem with put making two teams from the same

697
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: division the worst. No.

698
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: It also wouldn't blow my doors off of the Raiders

699
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: end up the first overall pick.

700
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, I mean they might feel bad.

701
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: O'Connell, you know, right, yeah if if they the quarterback.

702
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Situation, Uh, to me, then the next team, and you're

703
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: gonna fight me on this, I know it. I mean

704
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: it's the Colts.

705
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that I will fight you, but I

706
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: think they can win that division.

707
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: It's either the Cults or the Patriots or Denver or Denver.

708
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not an AFC North team to me. See,

709
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'll fight you. I just think

710
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: they're better than you think they are. But that in

711
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: this conference, that doesn't mean they're not thirteen.

712
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Right, Like if they were in the if they were

713
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: in the NFC South, I.

714
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: Might pick them to win the division.

715
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would be. They would be a contender.

716
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: My case for the Colts is you get Leonard back.

717
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: It's still a high quality defense. You know that's not great,

718
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: but they don't make a lot of mistakes Buckner. They

719
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: have some young edge guys. Some of their defensive backs

720
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: are good players. Leonard was a big loss for them

721
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: last year.

722
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: I think the.

723
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: Defense will be middle of the pack, maybe slightly better.

724
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about a team that's probably going

725
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: to be the second place team in the AFC South.

726
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be would you put them? Maybe they're battling

727
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: for the fourth spot or the third, but in the West.

728
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: Right right, I mean that's where they are. I mean

729
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 2: I could see them winning seven or eight games. And

730
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: I also think they're running game in a Bears like

731
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: fashion last year.

732
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: It could be really hard to play against.

733
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: Like imagine if the Bears said Jonathan Taylor, you know,

734
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: and and I don't dislike their weapons, that they're not great,

735
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: but Pittman, Piers Downs, it's okay. I'm cool with them

736
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: at thirteen though. It's also I'm always gonna give a

737
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: rookie head coach the non benefit.

738
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Of the That's the thing we just don't know.

739
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not always going to vote against them.

740
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: So which team is in above them? Or just about

741
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: a Denver or New England? I think I'm going to

742
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: give two good head coaches.

743
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you give the quarterback edge? I think

744
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: I give to Denver and speculation.

745
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: I think Wilson and the skill position guys, and I

746
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: think they have they haven't. Their defensive pieces are better overall.

747
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: Now, I'll fight you on that. I think the Patriots

748
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: defense is going to be elite this year.

749
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: Elite, elite, elite, elite.

750
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: That's my fantasy target defense.

751
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: My last year one was the Packers. Last year it

752
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: was horrible. Yeah.

753
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Now, I just think they have a ton of dudes

754
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: and a lot of versatility and guys like are way

755
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: better than people realize because they're part time players. I

756
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: love their defense, and I bet their special teams won't

757
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: be the worst in the league again, there's no chance

758
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: of that. And I don't think their offense will be

759
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: the worst in the league again because of the coaching

760
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: and but Denver I think is would be noticing better too.

761
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: They're gonna run the football, They'll play good. D Peyton's

762
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: a great coach. I mean, I think people think he's overrated,

763
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: but I think they're nuts. I can flip a coin

764
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 2: on that. If you want to go Patriots below them,

765
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm cool, I think so. I mean, there's not a

766
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: lot of star power there, that's sure.

767
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: There really isn't. So Broncos. Yeah, now is where it

768
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: gets really difficult.

769
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Right, These are good teams. So it's just when I

770
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: do these things, I start from the bottom and then

771
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: I get in a bind like this.

772
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: And who's the best team.

773
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: I think you have to see the Chiefs, right, Yeah,

774
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean from Mahomes you the super Bowl champs. They

775
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: have holes in the roster, but that quarterback is unbelievable

776
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: and it's coming off his best year and could be

777
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: only getting better.

778
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: Who's number two is Cincinnati?

779
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: I think I'm willing to say since he's ahead of Buffalo.

780
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm there too. Yeah.

781
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: I mean it's been two pretty extremely impressive seasons back

782
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: to back, and I don't see a lot of holes

783
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 2: on that roster either.

784
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

785
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're gonna talk about coaching and things,

786
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: I think Cincinnati falls a little short.

787
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: But Bill's three. Yeah, are we sold on that? No?

788
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: I can see it's being a slightly down year for them.

789
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: You could see a step backwards. Yeah.

790
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: But I also I think you have to remember.

791
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: Alan had that elbow injury.

792
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: I think it was on national TV. Yeah, in the

793
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: world saw it and thought his season might be over,

794
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: and he really gutted it out and was not quite

795
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: the same.

796
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

797
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: And he's not the only one too played through injuries

798
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: last year. I mean, like Herbert was another one, and

799
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, but Allen and when he's

800
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: healthy is okay.

801
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: We got nine teams on the board here that are left, No,

802
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: we have nine on our on our board ranked, So

803
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: who's four for you? Four for me?

804
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: I think this is where we're gonna fight.

805
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is where the grouping

806
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: gets into. Like these next five teams are like, there's

807
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: six teams whatever it is.

808
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: Would you put these if we tiered these?

809
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Would you say there's the top three? I don't know

810
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: if the Bills are still in that tier.

811
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: I don't either. One thing that's really fun about the AFC, though,

812
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: is the Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, and the Jags to some extent,

813
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: they have a fun quarterback. We're all first place teams,

814
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: so they're gonna have a round robin tournament. They're all

815
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: gonna play each other. So that makes for a lot

816
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: of fun viewing for us.

817
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

818
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: Uh, I think the Bills are clearly three though, whether

819
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: we want to put them.

820
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: Into I would put my I would put Miami in

821
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: that group right there. I think if I trusted to.

822
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: I think Miami is my four. I thought that's where

823
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna fight, would you? I think I have Miami

824
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: over the Chargers.

825
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too.

826
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: I have much better defense, have them over the Jets.

827
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: But you could convince me either way.

828
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if Rogers was a dolphin, I don't know

829
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to trust the Jets.

830
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't win many games.

831
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: They just the whole winning of the game thing is

832
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: a problem. It's an issue. They build some teams, they

833
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: don't they take the they take the reservation.

834
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: Right right, That's the important part is keeping it. Yeah,

835
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: I think you can't discount the Ravens. I mean, there's

836
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: some turmoil there and we're hard on him, on them

837
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: on these airways.

838
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: Think the defense, Like, if I'm looking at these teams,

839
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: I can't put Like we talked about it yet yesterday,

840
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense is the worst defense in the ANFC North.

841
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: I agree with that too. So I think Miami is

842
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: my four.

843
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go with Miami. I don't I don't have

844
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: a problem with that.

845
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: Would you pick Jets versus Ravens. I'm not saying that

846
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: has to be the five, But if you had to

847
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: compare those two are Georgia just those two in their

848
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 2: own vacuum.

849
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: I would probably go They're like polar opposites. They really are.

850
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: You know, I don't trust the Jets, but I like

851
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: their roster. Their defense is better, The quarterbacks couldn't be

852
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: any different. Coaching staffs can be any more different.

853
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: You don't trust the Chargers in that group.

854
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 2: I was gonna that was gonna be. The next question

855
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: is where do you put the winner of that conversation

856
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: versus Chargers.

857
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be pretty low in the Chargers. I think

858
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I am too. I'm gonna be low. I'm lower on Jacksonville.

859
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win that division by default. But

860
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know they're great. They're not a great football

861
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: About this people putting the cart before the horse with

862
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: them and making them a top ten overall team, I

863
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: don't see it.

864
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: We talk a lot, obviously, I think I'm not trying

865
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: to speak for you, but I bet we could put

866
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: the Jags as the lowest remaining slot right there. Yeah,

867
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: like the Patriots and Denver. Yeah, I mean, I don't

868
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: care if they're the best team in their division. Yeah,

869
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I think of the open slots, they go in the

870
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: worst spot.

871
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes I have no issue.

872
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: I think you pull them out of the equation then

873
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: for this middle tier.

874
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: And after the I think I think Cleveland's in that

875
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: conversation as well.

876
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: You think Cleveland's right ahead of Jacksonville.

877
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because again that the trust factor is just

878
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: not right. I don't trust them to get it right.

879
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really hold that against the Chargers, like right

880
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: if they I mean, I mean they did go to

881
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Jacksonvill last year and completely blow that football. They've had

882
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: a three touchdown lead and.

883
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: Blew it Adore Herbert and they were really hit hard

884
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: with injuries Slater, Bosa, j C. Jackson, who they gave

885
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: huge money. But it just seems like it's always the

886
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: same story thing.

887
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always something. It's gone back to Rivers, Special

888
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Towns or whatever. Yea, they always have a great quarterback

889
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: and they don't ever win anything, can't keep Bosa on

890
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: the field or whatever it may be. Right, Yeah, So

891
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Browns are Chargers, Chargers me too, Yeah, Chargers. Chargers are Steelers.

892
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Steelers, but I think they're next. I'm gonna put the Steelers,

893
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: I think behind the Ravens and Jets. Okay, Dolphins, Okay,

894
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: so that so let's go. Let me go Ravens, Jets,

895
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: that's a tough one for me though.

896
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: It's it's splitting hairs, There's no doubt about it.

897
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: Jets probably have the better roster.

898
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they do. Do they have the better quarterback?

899
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean again talk I mean we're gonna say no,

900
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: we're talking apples and oranges, right, But.

901
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: I think they have better weapons even though the Jets

902
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: or the Ravens did all the stuff. Yeah, pretty equal lines.

903
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: Jets have the better defense, Ravens have a much stronger

904
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: trust factor.

905
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: Taking the Steelers over the Chargers. I am okay, Chargers

906
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: and then Steelers. Yeah.

907
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that's up in the air for me,

908
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: and is it's splitting hairs. Is Jets versus Ravens?

909
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, what we came up with here from top

910
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: to bottom Chiefs, Spangles, Bills, Dolphins, Ravens, Jets, Steelers, Chargers, Browns, Jaguars, Broncos, Patriots, Colts, Raiders, Texans,

911
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: and Tennessee.

912
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: Question. Yes, if let's say let's say the Niners, Eagles,

913
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: and Cowboys are out of the equation, there's thirteen remaining

914
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: teams in the NFC. How many of those AFC teams

915
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: would be Number one? I think most like, I think

916
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: the Browns would.

917
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: Be better than they'd be certainly that Steelers.

918
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: Would be, the Jags would be I mean certainly Miami

919
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: and the Jets and teams like that.

920
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are ten of them according to our rankings?

921
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: You're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. We have

922
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers as the seventh team seventeen. That would be

923
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: a playoff team.

924
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: Real quick, who's number ten on our list? Or where's

925
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: the Jagson ten? The Jags come in at ten. So

926
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: to my point, if I power ranked the top thirteen

927
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: teams in the league, I think ten of them would

928
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: be AFC teams be pretty dark.

929
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Quitters, I mean pretty dark. Close. Yeah.

930
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: Let alone, if you power ranked quarterbacks, I bet ten

931
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: of them are in the top thirteen.

932
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. We are way over. I'm sure break here, so

933
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Speaker 1: we'll continue talking about this when we come back. He

934
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Speaker 1: has Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lalli. We are live

935
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Speaker 1: from the upmc rooney Sports Complex, where the Steelers are

936
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: completing OTA Session number five, and we will be back

937
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Speaker 1: with more here on ESPN nine seventy and Steelers Nation

938
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Speaker 1: Radio right after this. Welcome back. I'm Dale Ali. He

939
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. This is a special edition Up the

940
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Speaker 1: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy.

941
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: We are live from the Steelers Ota Sessions here at

942
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: the upmc rooney Sports Complex, and Matt just to follow

943
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: up on some of the things we were just talking

944
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: about there with ranking the AFC and one of the

945
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: reasons why I you know, I think, you know, the

946
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Steelers are certainly going to be in things this year,

947
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: certainly in the mix. I'm looking here at Warren Sharp

948
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Sharp Football Analysis dot Com the twenty twenty three strength

949
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: of schedule.

950
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Speaker 2: Right, And I've explained this to people before, but he

951
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: doesn't do this off of last year's winning percentage, which

952
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: is so dumb to me.

953
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay doesn't have Rogers anymore together, they're a little different.

954
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: This is all based off of what Vegas's win totals

955
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: are for next year and then you figure out the average. Yah,

956
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: just smart.

957
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Uh. He is the Steelers at number eight schedule.

958
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's up.

959
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: Going down that list, you have the Saints at one,

960
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: the Falcons at two.

961
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: That whole divisions the play each other.

962
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Carolina at four, San Francisco at five, Chicago at six,

963
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: Houston at seven. Okay, Pittsburgh at eight, Tennessee at nine,

964
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: the Seahawks at ten.

965
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of bad teams in there, Yeah,

966
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And some of it's because

967
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: the South all play each other and they're all bad.

968
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: A lot of teams helps a lot of teams. The

969
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: Steelers also happened to play. They also happened to play. Yeah,

970
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: so I'm sure this is where you're going with this.

971
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: But we just did this exercise where we power ranked

972
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: the AFC and we had the Steelers seventh, right.

973
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: Eight eight, we have seven, we have seven seven. They

974
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: could end up as the tenth best team, but be

975
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: a playoff team. Yeah, you know what I mean, because

976
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: like I'm saying, like maybe the Bills, Jets, Dolphins are

977
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: better football teams than the Steelers. And I'm sure you'll

978
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: get to this.

979
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: It's not much like the Giants last year, right right right?

980
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: Nobody thought that, I mean, outside of New York, nobody

981
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: thought the Giants were any good.

982
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: No, and it's not.

983
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: They got a good matchup in the first round and

984
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: they went out and they beat the Vikings, and the

985
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: Vikings they were waiting to be beaten.

986
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were ripe.

987
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: But they weren't a great football team, no, but they

988
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: stacked a bunch of wins because of the schedule.

989
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: So I'm sure this is where you're going with this.

990
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: But the teams with the hardest schedule, Like, I can't

991
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: imagine three teams coming out of the afcast.

992
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: And here's why.

993
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: Here's why.

994
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: Right, The toughest schedule in the league this year belongs

995
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: to the New England Patriots brutal. The second toughest schedule

996
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Okay, maybe we should have figured the factor

997
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: dead and when we were talking about.

998
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: Her, Yeah, but we were just talking about how good

999
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: they are. We weren't predicting, you know, win lost record.

1000
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: At thirty are the Dolphins. Yeah, At twenty nine are

1001
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: the Bills. At twenty eight are the Chiefs. Twenty seven

1002
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: is the Chargers.

1003
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: So one thing I know for sure is the AFC

1004
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: East has to play the NFC East, which would be

1005
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: my least favorite NFC team or division to play. Yeah,

1006
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: there's two really tough games teams.

1007
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, the two teams that are not easy to play.

1008
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the AFC East has to play the NFC East,

1009
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: which are probably the two. I mean, AFC North would

1010
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: be bad too, but that's eight very difficult non division games,

1011
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: and your division's awful.

1012
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: And because if you finished higher, you have to play

1013
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned the Chiefs, the Bills, they

1014
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: all play each other.

1015
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: All the top goals do. Right, if I'm just talking

1016
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: about the AFC East in general has two really difficult

1017
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: divisions that they have to play, not to mention their

1018
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: own division is awful.

1019
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the twenty six schedule is the Jets, and you

1020
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: get the Vikings and you get Commanders. The Broncos are

1021
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: at twenty three, the Cardinals are at twenty two, which

1022
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: is really bad for them, and then you get the

1023
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Bengals are twenty and twenty one.

1024
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just pulling up the schedule grid now

1025
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize this, but the same thing is true.

1026
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about this for AFC playoffs. Picture is

1027
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: the AFC East and the AFC West both have to

1028
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: play the NFC East.

1029
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen. That can't be true.

1030
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: That's not true because Denver plays.

1031
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: Watch that might be there, that might be their extra

1032
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: game this year is against those teams. Yeah, they play.

1033
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: Okay, the AFC East plays the NFC East. Yes, the

1034
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: AFC or AFC West plays the NFC North, which is

1035
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: better than the East in my opinion. I know this,

1036
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: it's confusing.

1037
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: And the East and West and the AFC play each other,

1038
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: so their non conference games are easier for the AFC

1039
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: West teams, but they're still not easy. No.

1040
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: And plus your division games are really tough in both

1041
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: those divisions.

1042
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: No, By the way, the Steelers have by far the

1043
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: easiest schedule of any of the AFC teams, right right,

1044
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: right right, Like Cleveland comes in at sixteen, directly in

1045
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack, the Steelers are at eight.

1046
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: And Warren doesn't put numbers on this sharp. This is

1047
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: just strictly the teams you're playing. Like this was before

1048
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: the schedule even was released. But when you look at

1049
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: the schedule, as we've broken down many times, there's.

1050
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: A lot of fuel pockets are.

1051
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: Really impressive too. Like I know, the one thing he

1052
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: does is he goes by you know, how many games

1053
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: are you at a rest advantage or a rest disadvantage.

1054
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: And the Steelers are like eight or ninth best in

1055
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: terms of have more rest than their opponent.

1056
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: For example, I've already seen things that Baltimore is going

1057
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: to go to Europe. They're going to be going to England,

1058
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: I believe, to play the Titans the week after they

1059
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: play the Steelers. They're already talking about leaving sooner this

1060
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: time around than they did the last I think they

1061
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: went on Thursday. That's probably small last time. So how

1062
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: many of those guys. It's going to be a big

1063
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: divisional game against the Steelers. But you're thinking, Okay, we

1064
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: got to get back. I got to get everything packed

1065
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: because we're going to Europe for a week and it's

1066
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: just and added distract is one more thing that's unusual,

1067
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: you know.

1068
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: Or if I have a questionable guy for the Steeler game,

1069
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: maybe I rest them because I know I'm gonna be

1070
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: demanding on them the week after, you know, I mean

1071
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: things like that.

1072
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: But and then they're playing the week the when they

1073
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: come back like they're not, there's no buy right. That's

1074
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: hard on them.

1075
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: So, you know, back to the power ranks in the AFC,

1076
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: I think the Steelers have the things that they can't control.

1077
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: You know, your schedule, who you play when you play

1078
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: them is as favorable as anyone they're going to compete

1079
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: against for wild card spots. Absolutely, and I'm not saying

1080
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: they can't win a division, but you know, tie breakers

1081
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: come down to wild all those things. Conference record, I mean,

1082
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: the conference record killed them last year.

1083
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they lost a lot of the tiebreakers to

1084
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: those teams because they was the teams they were fighting with.

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Speaker 1: They don't play a bunch of those teams this year.

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Speaker 2: Like that's what be the like be the Jets thing.

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Speaker 2: The Jets are really really good, but man, they were

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Speaker 2: under five the conference record, or you know, they beat

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Speaker 2: the NFC teams, but you know they can't win tie breakers,

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Speaker 2: or it might be true for Miami as well or whomever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta take another break here at the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour. He is Matt Williams and I am

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Speaker 1: dal Lallie. You're listening to a special edition of The

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Speaker 1: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy.

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Speaker 1: We are live from the upmc roney Sports Complex, where

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are getting ready to wrap up their fifth

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Speaker 1: OTA session. We'll be joined us soon here thereafter by

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Speaker 1: a player supposed to be Isaac Samalu, the Steelers new

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Speaker 1: guard that they added from the Philadelphia Eagles. Here we'll

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Speaker 1: sit down and talk with him for a little bit

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Speaker 1: here looking forward to that. Don't you go anywhere. You're

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Speaker 1: here on your home for the best Steelers coverage ESPN

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