1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Tick, tick tick. The clock is ticking down and still 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: no sign of twenty two year old Van Life girl 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito. This as we learn in the last hours 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: that Gabby Petito's family have been instructed by police not 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: to speak openly about Gabby's relationship with boyfriend Brian Laundry. 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: Why there's so much happening in the case right now, 7 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: let me tell you right off the bat tip line 8 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: one eight hundred call FBI one eight hundred, two two 9 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: five five three two four IMNC Grace, this is crime Stories. 10 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: KSL TV well. Authorities are keeping details of their search 12 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: for twenty two year old Gabby Petito close to the vest. 13 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: I can't give you any specifics on areas of interest. 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: They're hoping accounts like Shannon Bakers. We drove through Tetons. 15 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: The only stop we made was at Jenny Lake. We'll 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: narrow down the search in the parks three hundred and 17 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: ten thousand acres. It had a black ladder on the 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: back and the two black roof racks on top two bars, 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: and we made the comment that would be the perfect 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: little camper van to go around. Then Baker says it 21 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: was five PM on August twenty fifth when she and 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: her husband Russell spotted Potito's van in the Jenny Lake 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: parking area. My husband looked at it and goes, that's 24 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: the same vehicle they used on American pickers. Baker says 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: they didn't think much of the van until Sunday and 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, that's the same van we saw. 27 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: The Bakers didn't get a picture, but they're certain they 28 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: saw the van, and so is Tito's family, and they 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: were very detailed about the description. So I do believe 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: that they saw the van. So the van was spotted 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: in the Tetons, but they didn't see Gabby and apparently 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: didn't see boyfriend Brian Laundry. This among many updates happening 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: right now. Let's break it down together. Joining me an 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of it all. Dale Carson, 35 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, joining me out of Jacksonville, former FBI 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: and cop, author of Arrest Proof for Yourself. Doctor Bethany 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Marshall renounced Psychoanalysts, joining us out of Beverly Hills. She 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: is at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Star of a 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: new Netflix show, Bling Empire, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 40 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 41 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: and star of a new series on iHeart. The Piketon 42 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: Massacre returned to Pike County. The founder and director of 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the Coal Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum. You can find 44 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: rich colecas crimes dot org. She also a forensic expert 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Nicole Parton, Guys, 46 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: so much is happening right now? Nicole Parton, what's the 47 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: very latest? Nancy, the very latest? Gabby's family putting out 48 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: a desperate message to Brian, specifically his parents, a desperate 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: message almost begging them to come forward with any information, 50 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: saying things like, as a parent, please do the right thing. 51 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Tell us at least the last time that he saw her, 52 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: the last place that he saw her. Desperate for any answers, 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: begging Brian and his parents to come forward and speak. 54 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're absolutely correct, Nicole parton, 55 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com. Take a listen to our cut 56 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: sixty four. This is Jeff Peterira at ABC seven. Gabby 57 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Petito's father was filled with emotion, today as he begged 58 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry to come forward with the answers yet again. 59 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: And he's not the only one demanding answers. If it 60 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: was my daughter that was missing, I can't think of 61 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: anybody that would stop me from going in that house, 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: grabbing me a kid and finding out information. Jason stern 63 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: Quist and his family got out sharpies and poster boards. 64 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: They began writing and pleading for Laundry to speak up. 65 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: And I knew, imagine your daughter's dating some guy. They 66 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: go on a road trip and then that's it. Stern 67 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Quist says he's trying to help, not only because he 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: lives near Laundry. First thing you think it was, oh 69 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: my god, it's my back yard, but because he has 70 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: three daughters of his own. Bring peace to this woman's family. Well, 71 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: one of the family members did speak at I'm talking 72 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: about the Laundry family. While the boyfriend, Brian Laundry has 73 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: holed up in his parents' home, neither he nor parents 74 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: speaking our seventy eight. This is abs see seven. You 75 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: hear his sister speaking. Listen. She has not been seen 76 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: in twenty two days now and her fiance, Brian is 77 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: not talking to police about it, but her boyfriend's sister 78 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: now says she hopes this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. Watch. Obviously, 79 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: me and my family want Gabby to be found safe. 80 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: She's like a sister and my children love her, and 81 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: all I want is for her to come home safe 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: and found, and this to be just a big misunderstanding. 83 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: He always does the right thing, Like in the bodycam 84 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: he's he's cooperates with the police, and he's a wonderful uncle, 85 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: and he's always been there when I need him. But 86 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's been there everytime Gabby's needed him. Really, 87 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: because on that body camp footage Gabby Petita shows cops, 88 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: she gesticulates if you watch the entire thing where she 89 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: says boyfriend Brian Laundry grabbed her by the chin as 90 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: shook her, and AU see him later on patting his 91 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: pocket going yeah, I got the keys right here, And 92 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: that coincides with her saying I was trying to get 93 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: back in the van. He locked me out. It's her 94 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: van number one, and he locked her out in some 95 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: kind of a power play out in the middle of 96 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: nowhere in the desert. For Pete's sake, of course, she 97 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: got upset, So I don't know if that's doing the 98 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: right thing. Take a listen to more of the sister. 99 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: This is on GMA. Laundry's sister Cassie says even she 100 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: hasn't spoken to her brother since he returned to his 101 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: home in Florida from his in Gabby's cross country trip 102 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: without Gabby. I haven't been able to talk to him. 103 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: I wish I could talk to him, and I've cooperated 104 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: it every way that I can. I wish I had 105 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: information here, I would give more. This is all I have. 106 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Is I gave to the police. That's it. He's not 107 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: even speaking to his sister. Let's bring in the panel again. 108 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: Of course, as I mentioned, Nicole Parton joining US Crime 109 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter straight out to Cheryl McCollum, 110 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: founder director of Cold Case Research Institute, and we have 111 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: worked together for many, many years in the trenches investigating cases, 112 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: even up until this very day. Cheryl McCollum, that's one 113 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: heck of a misunderstanding. I could see you right now 114 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: in court with a big old poster that says, obviously, 115 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: obviously y'all want her found. Here's what's obvious. You ain't 116 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: looking for her. You're not calling her phone, you're not 117 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: texting her. You're not frantic, you are not petrified that 118 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: something's happened to her. You're at home, chilling in Florida, 119 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: going well, hope she turns up. Hope. It's a misunderstanding. 120 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: She's like a sister, like a sister to who she 121 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: ain't like a sister to you. Otherwise you would be 122 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: in the mohab looking for You would be texting her 123 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: please respond where are you? You would be find my iPhone. 124 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: You would be posted all over social media, please help 125 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: us find her. You ain't doing none of that. And 126 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: speaking of find my iPhone, you know this, Cheryl. You 127 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: know when the twins, my children went down to play 128 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: their instruments at Disney with their school, and then they 129 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: were allowed to kind of wander around Disney. You know, 130 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: I was doing a back clip over that. So of course, 131 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 1: after surreptitiously following them down, I had on the Find 132 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: my iPhone and the Life three sixty and it shows 133 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: you everywhere they're walking. So who's doing that? Where is 134 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Gabbies sell phone? Take a listen to our cut sixty seven. 135 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: This is the Northport Police pressor learn to do from 136 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: the van or from the phone bill. Right now, we're 137 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: still analyzing all that data, which takes time to forensically 138 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: analyze all that The body video, I to go all outs, 139 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: I offering any staging position. We look at everything that's 140 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: coming in. As far as that had having to do 141 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: anything with the disappearance, we don't know. I mean, yes, 142 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: they had a the servants, Yes it was captured on 143 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: body Fammer of their interaction with Lawford them. But beyond that, 144 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what it has to do 145 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: with the disappearance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Can we 146 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: talk about her cell phone? Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics 147 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: at Jackson will State University. You hear Cheryl McCullum bring up, 148 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: in my mind, the most obvious way to track her, says, 149 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: Laundry's not Laundry is not speaking. I mean, he's the 150 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: one that was with her. He comes back with a van, 151 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: but no, Gabby, he can't even tell us where he 152 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: left her. I mean, best case scenario they got when 153 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: you don't know a horse. Look at the trick record. 154 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: She was afraid he'd leave her. Why is she think 155 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: that she was locked out of the van? As Cheryl 156 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: McCallum earlier pointed out to me, he patted his pocket 157 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: and when I got the keys. What kind of power 158 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: play is that to lock your girlfriend out of her 159 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: own van in the middle of the desert, for Pete's sake. 160 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: So in my mind, that's a track record of locking 161 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: her out and she's afraid he's going to leave her? 162 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: Is that what happened? In my mind, that's the best 163 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: possibility that he just got mad and left her somewhere. 164 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Why can't they find the phone or have they found it? 165 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if they found it or not, Nancy, 166 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: But what I do know is that he has had 167 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: possession of this van for a protracted period of time 168 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: without it being in the possession of the police, and 169 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: he has had a sufficient amount of time to disrupt 170 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: or get rid of any kind of evidence that could 171 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: point to her whereabouts or what has occurred with her. 172 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: I think that it's significant, though, that the police have 173 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: not moved word relative to dragging him out of that 174 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: house based on evidence that they may have recovered in 175 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: that van. You would think, because now we're under a 176 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: real time crunch, you would think that they would look 177 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: for anything to develop probable cause to develop a warrant 178 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: to drag him out, but that has not occurred. So 179 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: it leaves me wondering what did he do with this 180 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: vand what did he do with the phone? In the meantime, 181 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: all of these days that have ticked off the close, 182 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: let's just figure out, Cheryl McCollum, let's talk about that 183 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: triangulation of a cell phone. And I just circle back 184 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: to del Carson dotor Bethy on this just God started 185 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: his comments on who had the cell phone last? I 186 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: can tell you this. Gabby's mother tells me point blank 187 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: the last text she received ostensibly from Gabby. It's not 188 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: from Gabby, and I'll tell you why. Number one, it 189 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: was not her vernacular, her speech. I mean, Cheryl, you'd 190 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: pass out if I sent you a text it was 191 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: two paragraphs long with perfect punctuation and complete sentences. That's 192 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: not going to happen, okay. So the people have a 193 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: way of expressing themselves via speech, the writing with a 194 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: writing pen or on their computer or laptop versus text. 195 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: You have a unique style of writing on text. Number one, 196 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't her style. And number two, and even more telling, 197 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: it said no sales service in Yosemite. They weren't even 198 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: near Yosemite. I took you my twents to Yosemite about 199 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: four years ago, and then recently to the Tetons and Yellowstone. 200 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: They're nowhere near each other. That was not even part 201 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: of the plan to go to Yosemite. So well, and 202 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: the timing that was on about ODG twenty nine ish. Well, 203 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: we know that Brian Laundry's back home parked in his parents' 204 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: driveway on September one. There is no way they could 205 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: have gotten from Semite or Yellowstone all the way back 206 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: home in thirty six hours. That's not gonna happen. So 207 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: he National Park mentioned in the fake text and be 208 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: physically impossible, right, And it also gets rid of well, 209 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: did they just separate voluntarily? Did she tell him to 210 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: go back home while she stayed somewhere with friends. We 211 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: know that because he sent a bogus tech he did that. 212 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: But let me tell you something he ain't thinking about. 213 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: He ain't thinking about her Apple Watch. That watch has 214 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: its own GPS. That watch can also track if it's 215 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: away from the phone, So when people do their jogging, 216 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: they can track those bad data the same way your 217 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: cell phones can do it. So I think the FBI 218 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: has owned to some things, but he is not aware 219 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: they can do. Let's talk about that the Apple Watch 220 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: versus a fitbit jump in Cheryl. That Apple watch cannot 221 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: only track your activity, it can check your heart rate 222 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: and it has like a virametric alimeter that can tell 223 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: if you're, you know, increasing your altitude or you're decreasing 224 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: your elevation. So that watch is going to have a 225 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: ton of information for law enforcement. Jep J. Scott, Well, 226 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: my thought is that the biometric issue is going to 227 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: be key relative to what's going on with her from 228 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: a physiological standpoint. And of course, you know, we don't 229 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: want to think about worst case scenarios, but look, we're 230 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: right in the middle of it right now, and tracking 231 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: her and what's going on with her as in her 232 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: person is very significant. When we start to look at 233 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: this timeline Nancy, how are they going to be able 234 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: to track her down and what was going on with 235 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: her physiologically at that particular moment in time, and can 236 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: can they triangulate this phone or this wrist watch back 237 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: to her specific location where she was last found? Again, 238 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: I go back to this idea that Laundry has had 239 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: a sufficient amount of tom I know, to clean out 240 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: of the van. I'm trying to talk to you about 241 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: tracking her on her iPhone or her Apple Watch. That's 242 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: what we're talking about now, Cheryl McCollum. How is it done? 243 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: So basically, this watch can work whether you have cellular 244 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: or Wi Fi, So if she's connected, even at a 245 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: cafe or somewhere, it can start tracking. If she's on 246 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: a hike, so all of a sudden, that watch is 247 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: going to be able to show if she goes eighty 248 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: feet in a relatively short period of time up or down. 249 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: So let's say she fell or she was pushed, that 250 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: watch could possibly indicate that breas. It also could track 251 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: your heart rate, so it may show if the heart 252 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: rate has stopped, for example. There's a lot of information here. 253 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: Even if she does not have her phone near her, 254 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: you can send and receive text messages. So again, if 255 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: that has thtopped as of August twenty fifth, she hasn't 256 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: bought anything off Apple pay off that watch. She hasn't 257 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: taken a photograph, she has not done a voice memo. 258 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: All of these things are gonna show what did occur 259 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: before August twenty five and more importantly, what's occurred after 260 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: it's just her iPhone that we're talking about, it's the 261 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: Apple Watch as well. Now I've asked Joe Scott and 262 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum to explain how it's done. Both of them 263 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: go off on their own individual tangents. This is how 264 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: it's done. You know, when you're going down the street 265 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: and you pass a cell tower, whether you're on a 266 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: phone call or not, if your phone is on, I mean, 267 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: you can see your bars go up and down. When 268 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: you go buy a cell tower, your phone, unbeknownst to you, 269 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: pings off that cell tower. And then you go five 270 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: miles and you ping off another cell tower, and another 271 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: and another. Wherever you're getting a connection, your phone is pinging. 272 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Identifying is the only way I can say it off 273 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: that cell tower. It's like, let me think of a 274 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: different way to say. When you use a key card 275 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: to get into your office, you hold it up and 276 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: you go in. It's just like that when you pass 277 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: a cell tower, your phone identifies and pings off the 278 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: cell tower. So what I think they would be doing 279 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: is trying to figure out where her cell phone last pinged. 280 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace now just got Morgan. I know, 281 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: three strikes and I'm out. I'm gonna try one more time, 282 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: okay with her phone. Once it's cut off, it's not 283 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna paying anymore. Could you, in lay person talk civilian talk, 284 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: explain the process of triangulation, Well, the triangulation what you're 285 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: talking about are three separate phone towers where you can 286 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: ping in on a specific location. So you have three 287 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: separate locations where this information, this data is coming back 288 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: to to give you one central location. That was brilliant, Okay, 289 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Del Carson, I hear you jumping in, high profile lawyer 290 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: joining me out of Jacksonville, former FBI, And I mean, 291 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when youth, when I 292 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: find out the FBI is on my case, I stop 293 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: in my tracks. The FBI is on this case. That 294 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: tells me a lot. Del Carson, former FBI. What does 295 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: it tell you? The FBI looking for Gabby? They're investigating 296 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: as well. Well. They bring a lot of technical sophistication 297 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: to the problem that other departments simply don't have access. 298 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: That involves essay and other people who can help locate 299 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: and have the analytical ability to look at things like 300 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: triangulation and other things. Stop right there, Stop right there, 301 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: because I think you're absolutely right, But I want to 302 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: explain what you're saying analytical ability. I'm anybody on the 303 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: palel and knows what we're talking about, jumping if you 304 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 1: can explain it, because I don't explain this as well 305 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: as you guys might be able to. What we're saying 306 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: is analytical ability to make sense of all the scientific 307 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: data about triangulation, about finding your iPhone, finding her Apple Watch. 308 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever looked at coding? My shouldren 309 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: show me their coding' It's crazy. It's like mumbo jumbo. 310 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: And unless you know how to analyze this, you're up 311 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: the creek without a paddle. So he's right. Non Carson 312 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: is right former FBI. The FBI have people that do 313 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: nothing but analyze this data. Okay, go ahead. Oh, the 314 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: analysis of that data will help locate things like where 315 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: she lasts predictably was and those things are critical because 316 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: you only have a finite amount of resources to devote 317 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: to doing ground searches, which has to be done. I mean, 318 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: there's a little question that she was dropped off or 319 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: ran off some place, and the result is she's out 320 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: there by herself somewhere in twenty two days. Yeah, yeah, 321 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: and I'm going to circle back with you, Jo Scott 322 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: about the possibility of surviving in the wilderness for twenty 323 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: two days now. She's called van life girl for a reason. 324 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: She's not called a hardcore camper girl or wilderness survival 325 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: girl or extreme wilderness girl. She's called van life girl. 326 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: There's a big difference in crossing the country in a 327 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: van and living in the wilderness. It's very hard to 328 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: live and survive in the wilderness for this long. I 329 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: want to bring in our expert joining me out of 330 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: la Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced psychoanalyst Bethany, I've got so 331 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: much to ask you about, but let me just say, 332 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: as a big umbrella for all of us, Brian Laundry 333 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: has not been named as a suspect in her disappearance. 334 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: He has been named as a person of interest, Doctor Bethany. 335 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: Two things just jump out at me. Number one, the 336 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: power play of locking her out of the car. It's 337 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: not like me locking David out of the car the 338 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: mini van until he says, I love you more than anything, 339 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: and then I laugh and let him in. Okay, it's 340 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: not that you're out in the desert and extreme temperatures, 341 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: very very very rugged terraink just took the children out 342 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: to hear the Tetons and Yellowstone. It's tough. It's tough, 343 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: and we were not on the most difficult trails at all. 344 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: That the power play, I've got the key right here 345 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: in my pocket. It's her van. What do you mean 346 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: you've got the key in your pocket? And telling her 347 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to calm down. Also the sister, the sister appearing emerging 348 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: suddenly to say, basically, I don't know anything. He hasn't 349 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: even taught to his own sister. Okay, you take it 350 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: in your order that us doctor Bethany. Okay, Well, the 351 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: first thing that stand out is that she doesn't have 352 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: a cellphone. What one person on the face of this planet, 353 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: unless they're in a developing country, does not her cell phones. 354 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: She has all the resources, she has the VAM, she 355 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: has the watch. She has a cellphone also, the only 356 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: one supporting this trip. That's one form of power you 357 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: see in a relationship. Why do you think he doesn't 358 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: have a cell phone. No, I wasn't wondering. I think 359 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: that's a really important thing to explore me. I don't 360 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: know why you would say he doesn't have a cell phone. 361 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: Let's go with the facts that we do know. We 362 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: do know he locked her out of the car, out 363 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: of the van, and we do know the sister doesn't 364 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: know anything because he's not talking to her and he's 365 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: hiding out in his parents house. Those are the things 366 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: we know. Let's talk about that. Nancy, can I jump in? Oh, 367 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: dear lord mad if you didn't go ahead? Well, the 368 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: one thing Gabby asked the police officer is to make 369 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: sure he had a charger, and he said on the 370 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: body cam, yeah, I found one. I had to crawl around, 371 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: but I found one. What the hell do you need 372 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: a charger for if he ain't got a cell phone? Okay, 373 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: case solved. He had a cell phone, so another thing. 374 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: We can track his movements on his cell phone as well, 375 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: But that wouldn't tell us where her phone was ultimately 376 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: cut off or where it is right now. Okay. Well, 377 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: one of the things he says to the officers is 378 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: that he encourages them to take some time apart. And 379 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting because that's an anger management meniever. 380 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: It tells me that he's taken some anger management classes. 381 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: One or two. The first things we teach men, especially 382 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: in anger management, is if shares of fight, you give 383 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: the other person permission to walk away or you walk away, 384 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: because normally when couples are fighting one person or the other, 385 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: if we walk away, the perpetrator or their abuse or 386 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: becomes frantics don't leave me, you're going to leave me, 387 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: or going to be trade me. They become very jealis 388 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: and insecure, so they stop the victim from leaving. So 389 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: is just a something he brings up to the two officers. 390 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: So it told me he's trying to be a good guy. 391 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: The second thing is when I'm watching these two officers 392 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of debate back and forth about see various stories 393 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: about why he hit the curb. He says she grabbed 394 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: the wheel, she says, no, she hit the arm. This 395 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: is how a couple of scarping successions sound. When there's 396 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: domestic violence involved, you can never get a straight story. 397 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: It's very confusing. You spend so much time trying to 398 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: work out the details of who did what, it is 399 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: hard to get to edd down to the actual psychodynamics 400 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: of the relationship. So I'm hearing like a domestic againes situation. 401 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Already just in what the officers or officers we're talking about? Okay, 402 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: can I cut the shishra here? What do you think 403 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: about the power apply of he am locking her out 404 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: of the van. That's where all the food is, that's 405 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: where her stuff is, that's her only way home. What 406 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: does that mean? That's my original question to you. It's 407 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: not the first time he's done this. He's doing it 408 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: in a wilderness area where she has no place to 409 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: get to safety. He has all the resources. I think 410 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a powerfully in the relationship. I had told 411 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: me that she relates to go on the basis of power, 412 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: not on the basis of affection. But there's a power 413 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: dynamic in this relationship that probably runs consistently through all 414 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: of their interactions Climb stories with Nancy Grace. You know, 415 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: Cheryl mccallumby ask you a question, why are you talking 416 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: about Gabby Petito's Apple Watch? Do you believe she had 417 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: an Apple Watch? Yeah, and several of the pictures she's 418 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: wearing it, so she was either wearing it that day 419 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: or it's in the van. But again, it will yield 420 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: some information. You know, I've looked at a lot of 421 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: them and in some of them she's got it on 422 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: and some of them she doesn't. But even if she 423 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: didn't have it on, it would still reveal information about 424 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: where the van was if it was in her van, 425 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: or she may have it on right now for all 426 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: I know. And to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, what do 427 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: you make of the fact that the sister, according to her, 428 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: also has not spoken with the boyfriend, Brian Laundry. You're 429 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: talking about her sister, Dawdy's sister. No, I'm talking about David. 430 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's sister appeared this morning on National TV and 431 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: said this is all just a big misunderstanding. I hope 432 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: it is, and too that even she has not spoken 433 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: to her brother. Her brother, Brian Laundry has also not 434 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: even taught to his own sister about what happened to Gabby. 435 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: How do you not talk to your own brother about 436 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: your future sister in law going lissing. I mean, the 437 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: whole mention knows the story right now. You can't pick 438 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: up the phone and call your own brother and talk 439 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: about it. She's definitely distancing herself. The family picture of 440 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's family seems to be to co up in 441 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: stanth of their members. And I am guessing that this 442 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: is not the first time this has happened. I just 443 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that they have a long history of accommodating 444 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: to Brian, of covering up for him. And you know, 445 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: you were a family member. There's a black sheep that 446 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: does things that are wrong or criminal or abuse abusive, 447 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: you know what was Hamsons. In certain families, if they 448 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: start to cover up for that family member, they start 449 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: to deny it. They start to say, oh, he's really 450 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: a good guy, he would never do something like that. 451 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: And the denial and the accommodation becomes so thick and 452 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: so powerful that with each meaning this deed, they rationalize 453 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: it even more. So. I think that his sister is 454 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: she rationalizing it, and she says Gavine is like a 455 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: sister to her. You know what, if Gavine was like 456 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: a sister to her, she would be talking to every 457 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: news outlet. She would be searching for her sister in 458 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: law to be. She doesn't seem to be. She seems 459 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: to be discussing on herself in any explanation to anything. Guys, 460 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: we are now learning that, according to police, they have 461 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: a new wrinkle, a new wrinkle in the search for Gabby. 462 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seventy two. Do you 463 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: know that you are ruling out it's really to talk about. 464 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: But they're not ruling out any connections awful homicide that 465 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: happened there as well. You will get to that if 466 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: they're a plus inmulation that we have communication going back 467 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: and forth with Grand County Sheriff's office. We've provided them 468 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: with whatever information we could. They don't have any suspect 469 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: information right now, so you would have to refer that 470 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: to them, But they hold us that they're looking at everything. 471 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: At this point here and hearing the presser by the 472 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: Northport Police in Florida, he's referring to the double homicide 473 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: of two young women outdoor enthusiast campers with a very 474 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: odd connection to Gabby Petito victim Kylan Shilty just twenty four, 475 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: and Crystal Turner, both found dead at a Utah campsite. 476 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: And here are some similarities that I have analyzed. They 477 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: are all three thin, fair females traveling without a male companion, 478 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: physical appearance, very similar same age, Shilty twenty four, Gabby 479 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty two. The time a link the double murder of 480 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: these two female campers is just a few days after 481 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito has the fight with Brian Laundry and a 482 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: very serious connection. One of the victims worked at the 483 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Moonflower co Op where Gabby had the fight the argument 484 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: with Brian Laundry. Shortly after that, the two of them 485 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: go camping. Their bodies were found partially undressed August twelve. 486 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: We don't know what day they were murdered in the woods. 487 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: Gabby goes missing, excuse me the fight Gabby has August twelve. 488 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: Their bodies were found six days later August eighteen. To 489 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: Del Carson, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville 490 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: and former fed with the FBI, what do you think 491 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: about the similarities? Well, we know from serial killers that 492 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: they frequent certain areas picking up potential victims, and it's 493 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: simple to imagine that Gabby being upset could become a 494 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: target for one of these individuals who has absolutely no 495 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: connection to the rest of us in the sense that 496 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: he's a sociopath, and he would come up and just say, hey, 497 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: let me help you. And that's how Bundy, a notorious 498 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: Siller killer serial killer, approach victims and was very successful, 499 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: as we know, well, you know what, that's what Israel 500 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: Keys did who killed the Alaskan barista Samantha Koenig, would 501 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: go to camp sites, ur V sites and try to 502 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: find people. But you're right, and I want to point 503 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: out that both of those victims, Kylan Shilty and Crystal 504 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: Turner had told their friends when they were camping out 505 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: there was a creepy man bothering them, and they actually 506 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: moved camp sites and then were found dead. And they said, 507 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: a creepy guy's bothering us. If we turn up dead, 508 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: he did it. And I also want to point out 509 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: that the cops had issued a warning just days before 510 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: that about a guy I think had abandoned his campsite. 511 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: There were thirty weapons found there, including eyes, hatchet's crossboat, 512 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: and several swords. Now, Cheryl McCullum, is Gabby a victim 513 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: of the killer of these two young women. I mean 514 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: one of them worked at Moonflower co Op and that's 515 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: where Gabby had her argument, whereas the argument started anyway 516 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: with Brian Laudry and then within days they're dead and 517 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: she's missing. That's quite a connection. Do I think it's 518 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: the same person? Probably not, because there's so many other indicators. 519 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: It could be something very, very different. But that's quite 520 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: a coincidence, Cheryl. It is a coincidence that law enforcement 521 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: would have to look at. But again, her fiance returned 522 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: home without her. Yes, that's like a glaring clue right there. 523 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: And the fact that he was there jos got Morgan. 524 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: We can place him there at September one, and the 525 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: mother didn't report her missing until September eleven, when she 526 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: realized what was happening. Joe Scott, Yeah, yeah, And you 527 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: wonder how these timelines marry up. One interesting thing though, 528 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: is that when these two were having the argument I'm 529 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: referring to Gabby and Laundry, You remember, the police told 530 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: them that they were going to have to separate. Well, 531 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: how one of the interesting things is that, allegedly, one 532 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: of the things that I've come across is that he 533 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: was directed to go to a hotel or a motel 534 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: there in Moab. Yeah. Well, the name of the motel 535 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: or this area is actually not a motel. It's a 536 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: Sea Caven Family Crisis Center that's two blocks away from 537 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: the Moonflower Paint that again place, sure, sure, Yeah, he 538 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: was directed to go and spend the night away from her. 539 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: Remember doctor Bethany was mentioned this just a moment ago. 540 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: The location he was sent to was not actually a motel. 541 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: It was actually a family crisis center, and it's referred to. 542 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the map right now, see Cavan Family 543 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: Crisis Center. It's two blocks away from the Moonflower Community Cooperative. 544 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen, guy speaking of any potential connection between 545 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: the two dead women to our cut seventy seven. This 546 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: is CFI and Kim ABC seven. Police are analyzing something 547 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: found in the couple's van. Meanwhile, police in Utah are 548 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: looking into whether Potito's disappearance has anything to do with 549 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: the double murder of newlywed's Crystal Turner and kyl and Shulty. 550 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Their bodies are found partially undressed and riddle with bullets 551 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: on a mountain trail nearby. On August eighteenth. Shalty worked 552 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: at the same grocery store where Petito and Laundry got 553 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: into their argument. You know, that's quite a coincidence that 554 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: I can't ignore. But the panel is right. The over 555 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: arching circumstance is that the boyfriend comes home with the 556 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: van and without Gabby Nicole parton Crime online dot Com 557 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. We know that a grid search is planned 558 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: in the Grand Tetons. I know that the stepfather, mister Schmidt, 559 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: is there, but it hasn't started yet. Do you think 560 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: it's because Nicole that they I mean the Grand Teatons 561 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: or thousands and thousands and thousands of acres, and they 562 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: don't really know where to start, absolutely, and I think 563 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: that they are hoping and maybe trying to pressure Brian 564 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: or his family into saying something so that they can 565 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: at least narrow down the search. At this point, they 566 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: have no idea where to start. They're simply going on 567 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: a faketi phone call from around August twenty one that 568 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: Gabby had with her family where they believe that she 569 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: was in that area at the time, but that could 570 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: be anywhere. As you say, you've been there, you understand 571 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: the terrain. So if they could get any word from 572 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: Brian or his family, they could at least begin a 573 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: search and know where to start. Sheryl McCollum, What do 574 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: you believe that law enforcement is doing right now and 575 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: what should they be doing. They are reinterviewing the witness 576 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: that saw him push her. They are combing that van 577 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: to see where her jewelry is, where her clothes are. 578 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: They're even looking to see when did food become just 579 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: for a single person, like if he stopped at Starbucks 580 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: or something is only one cup instead of two. They 581 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: are combing that phone. When did he stop calling her? 582 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: When did he stopped text messaging her? They are going 583 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: back over that video of the two of them that 584 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: last over an hour. They're getting somebody to watch his 585 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: body language. They're going over his statements, exactly what he says. 586 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: You know that he's laughing and jovial with law enforcement 587 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: while she can't stop crying. What did they miss? They're 588 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: going to track their whereabouts, if there's any video, if 589 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: there's any receipts, When did they leave, what camp site? 590 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: Who might have seen him by himself, and exactly when 591 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: did that start. They're going to track his you know, 592 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: home path, every single time he stopped for gasoline, did 593 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: he use her card, did he use his own debit card? 594 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,479 Speaker 1: Did he throw anything away? They're they're gonna search all 595 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: of that all the way back to Florida, how fast 596 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: he got back there. They're also going to search the 597 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: text messages and phone calls between his family because keep 598 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: in mind, Gabby's mama reached out to his mama, she 599 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't return her call, she wouldn't answer the call at all. 600 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: So all of this is very telling that his family 601 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: knew long before Gabby's family knew. J Scott, what do 602 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: you believe the cops, the FBI, and the analytics. What 603 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: are they doing right now and what do you think 604 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: they should be doing? Well? I think it was kind 605 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: of telling Nancy. I think it was a couple of 606 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,479 Speaker 1: days ago that the US Park Service said that they've 607 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: become involved in this investigation, which I think is a 608 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: daylight and a dollar short at this point. But with 609 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: that said, you know, her last known phone call that 610 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: they received that the family received was in Grand Teton. 611 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: That's where it allegedly originated from. I want to know 612 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: what type of information they have at that main southern gate, 613 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: which is where they would have entered Grand Teton. Is 614 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: there any kind of videography? Is there any kind of 615 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: time stamp where they're rolling through the gate where you 616 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: have to pay to get into this place, and who 617 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: was in the van? Are there? Videography is the videography 618 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: of the faces that the individuals as they're entering you know, 619 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: all of these state parks, particularly this time of year. 620 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: We're talking August twenty fifth was when that phone call 621 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: was made. These things are backed up with people trying 622 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: to get into these places to tour around before the 623 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: kids go back to school. I want to know were 624 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: they actually physically there, what kind of information relative to 625 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: this And you're right, our panel is right the vastness 626 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: of this place. They're seeking information because it is a 627 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: needle in a haystack. Just give us a crumb of 628 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: information so that we can narrow the search down within 629 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: the Tton region. I don't understand why the good search 630 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: hasn't started as of yet too. Del Carson, What do 631 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: you believe is happening right now at FBI headquarters and 632 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: what should be happening. Well, you know HIDA, which is 633 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: the High Intensity Drunk Enforcement people have equipment called NSA 634 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: light that allows them to look at text messages throughout 635 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: the country. So the technology that is really available that 636 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: we're not really privy to very much, including things like 637 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: the sting ray which emulates cell phone powers, is used 638 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: by the government constantly so they can look backtracking to 639 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: the stored data to see these things. If there's enough 640 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: pressure politically to do this, and I suspect that's where 641 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: they're headed, and that's what's delaying all of this, because 642 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: that takes a few minutes. I would say a little 643 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: bit more than a few hold on, I want to 644 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: follow up on Stingray. It follows a little more than 645 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: a few minutes. How long, del Carson, I mean, you've 646 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: been there, you're the former FBI agent. How long would 647 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: it take realistically to do that? Several days at least? 648 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: And you have to break through a couple of protective 649 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: walls between the various agencies in order to make that happen. 650 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: And as you probably know, there's a deep storage facility 651 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: in Arizona that stores all of this data, and so 652 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: getting to that really requires basically a power play by 653 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: one of the agencies, and hopefully they can do that, 654 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,439 Speaker 1: and that involves satellite history and other things that can 655 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: help locate where she might be. Doctor Bethan, I've been 656 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: trying to find out, and everyone I asked says we 657 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: can't talk about that. There are reports that Brian Laundry 658 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: flew home during the road trip and then flew back 659 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: out to where Gabby was, and that items have been 660 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: moved her items have been moved out of their home 661 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: to put in storage. I can't get the truth of it. 662 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 1: But if that is true, what does it mean? See, 663 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: I think that it's great that everybody's talking about the 664 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: search for Gabby. What's happening, you know in the parks? 665 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: What what was the last peing, what was happening in 666 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: terms of their you know, their communication with family members. 667 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: But I'm wondering what's happening in the Laundry family. In 668 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: Brian Landry's family, It's that could be a little fly 669 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: on the wall. What the hook are they talking about? 670 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: Their future daughter in law has gone listening, their son 671 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: has flown home, I was in storage, flown black. I 672 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: think this family is for empically scraping together a story 673 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: and trying to come up with their own timeline and 674 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: avoiding talking to law enforcement until they can get their 675 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: story straight. They are trying to protect their sons. Obviously, 676 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: those violence going on in the household even before they 677 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 1: went on this trip. Obviously he fully home to make 678 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: sure there was no evidence of violence in the household, violence, 679 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: evidence of them fighting or maybe un writing in a diary. 680 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: Oh hold on, you just brought up a great idea. 681 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Dill Carson has been focused on a Yellow 682 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: Spiral notebook. Speaking of diaries, Doctor Bethany Dill Carson, what 683 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: is your interest in a Yellow Spiral notebook and a 684 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: Drone memory card? Well, I mean, we seek drone footage 685 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: and the only way Droan's work is by a memory 686 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: cards when they film, And I don't know did they 687 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: have a droan? What about anything she was using to 688 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: edit the film? All those things become critical because, as 689 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: we know, when we edit film on a video, it 690 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: stores multiple copies of things that are going on. And 691 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: one of the videos, it's evident that underneath an iPad 692 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: is a Yola Spiral notebook, which is likely a diary 693 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: of some sort. And I did read yesterday that the 694 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: attorney for Landry provided investigators with some items that belong 695 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,919 Speaker 1: to Gabby, and I'd be fascinated to know what those 696 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: items were. Were they computers? Were they exactly? Actually, you 697 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: just mentioned something really interesting. I want to circle back 698 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum. You just heard Dell Carson mentioned an iPad. 699 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: I know that she was using a laptop because she 700 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: says she was working on a laptop for the blog. 701 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: Couldn't the iPad be located much like a phone could be. 702 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: It can be absolutely you know, Nancy, there's so much 703 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: technology that these two young people were using. There's going 704 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: to be so much data that they've got to go through. 705 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: And there's another thing we haven't discussed. He did have 706 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: a cell phone yep, or some type of device. If 707 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: he plugged that cell phone straight into the port in 708 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: the car, that car computer reads all of it, text, messages, everything, 709 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: and unless he deleted it somehow, then the police have 710 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 1: access to that too, even a twenty twelve four transit 711 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: possibly Again, it's all computer based. Everything is in your 712 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: car as a computer now. So a lot of times now, 713 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: if you have trouble, like even with a relay, your 714 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: car may not crank, not because the battery is not good, 715 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: but because the relay's telling it not to. It's a 716 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: computer problem, not a engine problem. So there's a lot 717 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: of data that can be drawn from all of these devices. 718 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: Let me give an example. The other day, my mom's 719 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: friend wanted me to jump off his car. I did, 720 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: and he got up to the dealership. There's nothing wrong 721 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,879 Speaker 1: with the battery. It was the key fob computer that 722 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: was causing the problem. So you're absolutely right, and you're saying, 723 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum that if he plugged in to charge, although 724 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,760 Speaker 1: he said he found the charger, but if he plugged 725 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: in for any reason into the car, if it's computer based, 726 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: it reads what's on the computer, on the on the phone. Yeah, 727 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: it sours. It like when you rent a car and 728 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: you plug your car directly into that vehicle, even in 729 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: a rental car, if you don't delete that stuff, the 730 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: next person it gets in that car can see your 731 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: text messages if they pull it up. Do you mean 732 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: text messages that you send during that time or all 733 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: text messages did you send her in that time? If 734 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: they if they are Jackie, doing a search warrant to 735 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: get the parents, the Laundry parents information, will their text 736 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: in the cloud, anything that they may have done, remember, Champion, 737 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: go ahead. The way that's done is if there is 738 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,359 Speaker 1: evidence that is pertinent to her being missing and it's 739 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: been destroyed or modified by the Laundry family. Of course 740 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: that is destructed of evidence. It allows for a search 741 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: warrant issue with the signature of a judge. And that's 742 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: precisely what they should be doing. In Florida. Right now, Hey, Nancy, 743 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: I didn't want to make one more point that law 744 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: enforcement is doing. They're searching his search history. Oh of 745 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: course absolutely. I hadn't thought of that, but you're right, 746 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: just got Morgan. Final thought, Yeah, hold on, I hear 747 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, go ahead, Dator Bethany. Who are more consuming, 748 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,399 Speaker 1: very dest regulated And when the policemen were interviewing hers, 749 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: they is in fighting for hours. Somebody who's bad, tot regulated, 750 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: who cannot stop crying, probably had a history of fighting, 751 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: but also a history of reaching out her help. She 752 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: may have been talking to another about their relationships difficulties. 753 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: Maybe she her eyes, She had a best friend. Obviously 754 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: she was supposed to meet around birthday plans. There's a 755 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: lot of communication. If Cheryl McCallum is talking about the attacks, 756 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: the car, computer phone, you know, continue all of that. 757 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: But as a therapist, I'm saying that she mixed out 758 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: for a lot of help. There are a lot of 759 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: people with information about what was happening in that relationship 760 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: and maybe even on that ship. Final thought, j Scott. Yeah, 761 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: they got to put the spurs through the horse here. 762 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: They've got to get on this. Let me tell you 763 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,280 Speaker 1: if she the last place she was was up in Wilming, Nancy, 764 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 1: She's not if she was put out of that van. 765 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,800 Speaker 1: The tiperature up there and the environment is completely different 766 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: than it is down in Moab. It's going to be cold. 767 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: She can die of exposure, dehydration, all of these things 768 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: that she would be exposed to in that environment as 769 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: opposed to having been down in the desert. They need 770 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: to get on this as quickly as possible. Start this 771 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: grid search and start looking for her up there. Tipline 772 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: eight hundred, call FBI eight hundred two two five five 773 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: three two four. Good my friend,