WEBVTT - I Am All In…Again: Beautiful Dreamers (Season 1 E15 “Christopher Returns”) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.120 I am all in again. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.280 Oh let's. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:17.319 Hi. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:22.320 I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.000 Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:31.440 eleven productions. iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast. We are gonna recap 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:39.400 Season one, episode fifteen. Christopher returns with the one and 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.559 only Grant Lee Phillips, who was, as you know, the 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.479 town Troubadour. Grant is here, A welcome friend. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.000 Good to see you again. You're over the. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:54.320 World playing your word songs to adoring audiences. It's good 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.360 to have you. Thank you for your time. I know 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:02.520 you watched this episode. What was your overall impression of 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:03.279 this episode? 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:09.959 Goodness? I yea christ talking. Christopher returns. I gotta say, Scott, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:16.360 I found it, uh somewhat bittersweet. The bitter part being 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.320 that I was not in this episode, and I feel 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.120 very bitter about it. The sweet part being that, you know, 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.960 it had a lot of other great things going for it. No, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.200 this is this is really early on in the in 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.240 the pageant of Gimire girls, isn't it. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:40.760 Christopher returns, Uh, you know, Rory's happy that her dad's back, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.640 and right Laurliz is a little hesitant, but seems kind 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.760 of like open minded and somewhat positive about it. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.800 But right, but I think overall. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.960 She remained skeptical, skeptical and questioning why he's really there. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.000 Richard has more faith in Christopher, according to Laura La 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:05.800 and she keeps telling Rory this and and and he 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:11.239 comes in like mister motorcycle, cool guy. Let me ask 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.560 you this, do you think they were setting up Christopher 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.440 because that's a big entrance. And I was discussing this 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.359 earlier with the podcast team with Jackie and and Emma, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.960 and we all agreed that they really set up this 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.520 entrance for Christopher to come in like this, you know, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.560 like almost like Marlon. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.400 Brando automobile cycle. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.160 Yeah, but I mean like like obviously softer version, but 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:41.399 super cool, super hot guy. Right, and he gets off 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:46.359 his Indian motorcycle and hey, I'm here with my perfect 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.239 hair and my chisel giant all this kind of stuff. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.280 Do you think that they were trying to make this 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.240 guy because we know how the fans feel about him, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.480 and it's not good, not good. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:02:59.440 I can see that. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.440 Do you think that Amy and Dan were setting him 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:09.320 up to be a legitimate rival to Luke or to 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.239 whomever she ends up with, or do you think they 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.839 knew that, you know, he was he was not going 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.639 to be well received by fans. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.359 I believe they well, I think at the same time, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.440 he rides in, like you say, right on the white Horse. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.520 But on the other hand, we see that he's not 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:34.160 necessarily being upfront, maybe with Laura Lyon right his family, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.520 with Richard Emily. We also see you know, the sort 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.480 of the unconscious of the town, a tailor on his 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.760 very large cell phone or whatever, the walkie talking. So 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.120 there's you know, it's kind of like the town. It's 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.720 kind of a sweet sweet element has their back and 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.360 they're watching making sure they're like the family kind of 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.680 like looking over like is this we don't know about 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.400 this guy? So we're getting our signals from those who 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.080 are very close, you know, that we maybe shouldn't have 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.320 complete trust and Christopher just yet, you know, right. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.800 Well, we'll get back to that. But that's the opening question, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.440 right It's like, is this intentional? Because he does have 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.640 some obvious flaws and they reveal themselves that he cannot 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.200 be trusted, that he lies in this kind of thing. Still, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:28.440 still the question remains, all right, so now We're experiencing 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:35.040 some small town of softball game. Luke's on the mound, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.960 Dean is coming to the plate, and Rory brings and 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.120 you know, Sean Gunn is there doing this hilarious interpretation 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:52.880 of hackling both Jared and myself until Luke has had 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.920 enough and he's he's like, all right, that's my favorite. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:01.920 Eric runs away, but Christopher shows up with Dean meets him. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.920 You know, it's all this like, how is this guy 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.880 going to fit into this town? 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:08.960 Right? 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.760 Yeah, Miss Patty meets him. She does her usual you know, 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:20.320 uh look, looks over the attractive young man, but then 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.880 she pulls out her phone once they walk away, like hey, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:27.200 you know, which really adds to the small town flavor 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.240 and charm of the show. That's kind of exactly how 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:36.880 it happens in it, and painful to watch was when 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.200 they go into the bookstore and he tries to buy 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.880 her the English Oxford Dictionary, right, and his card has declined, right, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:48.240 and it's like, boy, gosh, it's just this guy and 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.479 this is the first time we've seen him. Nobody knows 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.080 what to expect. So they bring in this sort of 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.799 perfect guy on a motorcycle. The you know, the perfect 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.960 kind of metro sctual guy, right, all cleaned up, right, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.960 there's there's no there's no metallica t shirts torn and 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.640 and there's no beard, there's no long hair, there's no attitude, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.560 there's no chain wallet. You know, it's just like friendly 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:23.080 guy and he can't pay for the darn dictionary. Let's 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.320 his daughter down right away. So now I'm beginning to 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.600 think this is all intentional. They were trying to create 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:35.800 the most unlikable character on the show and in recent 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.760 television memory. I think they really are aware of how 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:44.760 the audience reacts so at this point, because you can't 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.279 give this guy this many flaws and expect anybody to 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:52.880 root for him, right, or that relationship right anyway, So 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:57.480 all right, so we going to the diner. Yeah, and 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:02.200 Luke immediately dislikes Christopher. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.680 Oh yeah, oh yeah, you. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.840 Know, calls him a punk. He uses a cell phone. 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.160 It's just like it's so obviously just to set up 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.200 for future conflict. Yeah, and the guy just completely disregards 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.600 the rules, doesn't care. Nobody can be this uptight. I'm 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.600 just going to use my cell phone. And then I 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.080 think the most interesting part of that scene was that Laurel. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.320 I actually took the phone and talked on the phone 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.520 in violation of Luke's rules. Right, it's sort of disrespecting the. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:37.080 Man, right, right, right, because you know, you just. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.240 Don't do that there, right. What do you think of 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.600 all this so far? Are you liking him? How are 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.800 you feeling about Christopher so far? 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.480 Well? I feel like there's an obvious amount of deflection 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.720 going on with Christopher. You know, we really don't get 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.960 to know him. There's always some kind of you know, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.240 something that that occurs, the conversation will shift, so we 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.640 never really find out what Christopher has going on out 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.280 in California or what he doesn't have going on, right, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.880 you know, we don't really know him. I guess it's 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.360 the case, you know, before he comes forth and proposes, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.320 right presents all of this, you. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:26.040 Know, I mean, that's a desperate active as desperate man. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:32.120 Right, true, true, Yeah, And we don't know Strob or Francine, 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.320 and I don't feel like I'm guessing maybe they did 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.240 they come back on the on. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.320 The I can't imagine that they would would appear after that. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.040 I mean, Richard literally grabbed strobes lapels and pulled him 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:44.280 in and. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.319 Said you know, he nearly came to fisticofs it. Really, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.640 Richard would duel. I think ed Herman was so great 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.120 in this God that that was really really nice to 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.880 see Edward up there. Yeah. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.280 What a master craftsman, What a master of his craft. Yeah, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.240 just everything was pitch perfect. The guy was just so great. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.679 So now Emily invites the phone person. The purpose of 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.599 the phone call that violates Luke's rules is Emily inviting 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.000 Christopher and Fred knight dinner. It's a family gathering. And 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:25.320 then we cut immediately to them all standing outside waiting 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:31.880 to cross into the cross the door into a into 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.400 that strange Gilmour world that they all fear so much. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.240 But it is it's you know, it's it's imbued with 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.240 all of these uh you know, positive memories and very 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:47.240 negative memories for for especially for Christopher and Lorelaia of 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.680 what happened. This is when we find out what happened. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.199 This is the characteristic of this script of this episode. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.560 I mean, there there are some laugh out loud lines. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.000 There just not very many of them, you know, if 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.040 you if you were to count them, and I sometimes 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.959 I count them my favorite episodes and where I think 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:14.040 this operates best is as a light comedy with overwhelming 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:19.000 amount of great humor. This wasn't that this was right, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:25.480 This was this very serious episode. It just had a 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:26.640 totally different tone. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:28.600 True. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:34.120 Richard Emily are obviously thrilled to see Christopher, right, and 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.280 Ed wants to hear about the company, and Christopher's evasive 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.520 and he doesn't want to jinx the good success that 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.240 he's been experiencing and he's got, according to him, hundreds 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.000 of employees. What he described it made me very suspicious 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.280 in the beginning, right, because I know too much about him. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:59.480 Right, although we do enjoy, you know, the trademark references 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.840 that are so Gilmore. We got a shout out to 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:11.199 Fred and Mertz right, the offspring, you know, I think 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.520 me and you mentioned metallic, I think Metallica. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.559 Right, right, Metallica, He's an offspring. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.240 Yeah, Tolstoy, I mean, you know. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:33.920 Goodness, all of it. Right, What do you think about 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.560 this whole scene? I loved the scene. I thought I 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.760 think I thought it was great dramatic writing, you know, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.079 the big blow up scene. What do you think about this? 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.760 The blow up scene? Are you talking about Richard. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:54.560 Emily's uh yeah, when Christopher and Rory and Laurel I 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.360 walk into the living room and have drinks with Richard 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.520 Emily and then Strobe and Francine show up and it 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:00.720 all turns. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.520 Basically just shows them the door, right sort of. Yeah, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.720 I mean you get you get a real strong sense 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:11.560 of of who Richard is, you know, what it means 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.679 to be a Gilmore as you know he might say, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:20.120 and his sense of pride, his you know, he talks 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.600 about it the protection of his family, you know, but 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.040 it's also kind of his family is, you know, in 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:31.680 terms of him and his identity as well. Yeah, that 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.440 was I mean, that was meaningful. Also interesting to see 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.160 this this other softer dynamic with Emily, who can be 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.880 obviously somewhat cold and harsh in terms of Laurli, but 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.040 with Rory there's that really there's a really meaningful moment 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.160 where she tells Laura Lai, you know that yeh, family 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.160 has you know, we have our problems, but it's not 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.040 you are not to blame, you know. I thought that's 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.920 a great, great thing because I think kids often do 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.400 kind of internalize such things, right we Yeah, I thought 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:06.520 that was a really great moment. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.760 Amazing, The amazing part of this scene was that it 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.880 had such a blind spot in it, and the blind 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:19.480 spot was from everybody's point of view except for Strobe 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:24.160 and Freancy. Everybody had this sort of blind spot that 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.679 they didn't factor in that Strobe was going to come 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.440 in and do what he did, and that was he 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.319 justified in doing it. This is, you know, he doesn't 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.160 have a lot of contact with his son, right he 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:45.360 considers his son of failure. He comes in immediately Laurel 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:49.400 I is, you know, trying to drop some jokes that 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.880 you can tell that. It's like, wait a minute, she's 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:57.120 they're inappropriately rude with her right away when they're standing up. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.680 So it's like, why we love this character. We love 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.840 law She's she's she's done this, she's raised this great kid. Yeah, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.679 you know, she's she's she suffered a horrible fate at 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:15.800 the hand of her her parents, and and this guy's 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.840 laying into her man and so is the mothers. You know, 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:24.880 just judging, judging, judging. We didn't did you see this coming? This, this, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.440 this Strobe attack on Lorelei. No kind of makes sense, 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:34.080 doesn't it. It's like, if he's going to lash out 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.680 at somebody, here's his opportunity. Emily didn't see it. Richard 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.760 didn't see it when they made the invite, and he said, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.960 we used to be uh, very very close with this couple, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.440 but we haven't seen them in years. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.760 He wonder why. Yeah, And it is one of those 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:57.120 things where it's it's sometimes easier to to focus all 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:03.520 of you your bad feelings, not on your own your 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.760 own offspring, but on Laurai, you know, kind of blaming 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.320 Lauraai for whatever course Christopher's life is. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.880 Well. I think Strobe has had plenty of those discussions 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.240 with Christopher. Well, probably so, and I think he will 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.760 continue to look at his own son as somebody who's 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.960 just ruined all of their lives. Yeah, with one stupid act. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.040 But now is his chance to really fix his sights 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.640 on LAURREALI do you think it was justified? 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:34.920 Was Stroke justified in his Yes? 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:35.960 Was he justified? 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.240 Oh? No, I don't believe so, not at all, No, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.320 not at all, you know, And I think you kind 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:47.680 of see this particular note being struck throughout, you know, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:54.680 throughout the episode. But you know, you know, it would 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.120 be quite easy for a character like Laurli to be 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:03.400 to be judged by society she's single woman raising her daughter, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.720 and uh, you know, she's irreverent and she has to 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.760 you know, deal with all deal with all of the 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.600 blowback from that, you know, all of this kind of 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.640 class stuff that the Strobe, the Strobe and France scene 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.840 with her, and then her own parents as well. You know. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.240 But you know, Lorelai is like a great number of us, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.920 just trying to trying to get by and do her life, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.120 and her her real kind of heart is with raising 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.480 her daughter and experiencing her life. And I think that 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.200 that really resonates man. You know. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.400 So the Strobe character and his speech. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.440 To her, his abuse of her, yeah. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.800 In front of her own daughter, Yeah, and parents, is 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.520 exactly why she left the Fold in the first place. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.760 Yeah, yeah, I think so. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.160 Because that's what Emily and Richard. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.920 Were like, Yeah, yeah, right. It is kind of funny right. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.840 Now Richard has to experience it himself instead of doling 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.080 out the abuse as you can only imagine sixteen years 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.119 prior to the volume and the ferocity of that abuse. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.800 Since a sixteen year old girl who made a mistake, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:22.600 who didn't want to marry that guy, all just perfectly understandable, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.480 just wants to get away from this insanity and these 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:33.320 crazy people like Strobe, like Richard was, like Emily was, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.760 you know, yeah, just wow, Richard, I guess, I guess 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.800 I've been excommunicated by this family if I don't go 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.880 along with their dictates. So I'm going to go here 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:51.639 into a very safe place and have a lovely little life, yeah, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.879 where I get to experience all of the things that 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.280 I never had as a child. I was given plenty 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.160 of material things I was we had all the money 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.959 in the world, and the trips to Europe and this 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.879 and that, but it's not what fed me, not what 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.600 not what I needed. So I think it's like that 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.000 town raised laurel I as much as it raised Rory. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:17.000 It gave that town and those people gave them everything 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.760 they needed so that larel I could be a great mother. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.399 It's actually very moving, it is. I think it's a 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.359 very very important scene. And I think the purpose of 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.719 this episode was to really let the audience know early 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.520 on what awful people these are. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.600 Yeah, I agree, I agree, Yeah. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.560 This this generation like and I used to defend it 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.040 on the first go round. I used to defend it, 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:50.560 but now I see, having seen the seven episodes, now 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:56.840 now I see what an extraordinary, uh person lorel I is, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.920 and what an extraordinary daughter, and how awful awful these 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.280 people are to her all of the time. And the 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.439 classified is just so stark because it's like she's not 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.800 even their daughter anymore. It's like she's cut off any 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.199 DNA that she shares with her mother and father. It's like, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.480 there's no chance I'm going to end up like this anyway. 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.080 Very interesting it is, you know, And I think in 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:29.440 that moment where Richard observes all of this happening their home, 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.879 there's an opportunity for him to see himself and for 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.960 Emily to see herself and Francine is true and you 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:42.520 know a little bit of a little mini character evolution there, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:47.000 you know, like wow, is that? Like you know, maybe 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.479 later that night they went that's not right. Maybe we 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.119 maybe we did think about like you know. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.320 But also when she when she goes into Richard's study 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.040 and thanks him for defending her, Yeah, he stands up 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.200 and he does the unexpected you know, save it and 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:04.880 do you know what you put us through? 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.879 Oh? Right now, that was an unexpected turn. I did 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.440 not I did not see that coming. 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:16.520 But great writing, just great and and you know, he 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.560 he lays it out on the line for her. He said, 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.480 do you know what this did to your mother? She 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.760 couldn't get out of bed for a month, As if 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.359 that was the important part of what happened. It wasn't 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.359 about caring for their daughter. It wasn't about doing the 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.920 right thing for their daughter and listening to her and 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.919 dealing with the problem as a family who cared for 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:50.040 each other. It was about Emily's issue. It's like, Okay, 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.720 where is the nurturing, supportive mother of a sixteen year 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:58.159 old who's in crisis? Right, who's having a real life crisis. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:03.320 I mean, wow, So that just shows you. I mean, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.199 I don't want to be doctor Scott diagnosing people on 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.720 I mean, is she a little bit of a narcissist? 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.879 I would say, so, don't tell anybody. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.400 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's just what what 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.800 you know has. I don't know, you know a lot 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.000 of times I have I've been asking why, what what 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:32.160 is it about this show that continues to bring in viewers? 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.320 You know, I think it's because at its core, it's 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.679 such good writing, and it is it resonates, you know, 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:42.080 we we identify some of these uh, these archetypes, some 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.240 of these personality works. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.439 There's a lot of Emily's out there in many different forms. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.680 Oh yeah, everywhere. Yeah, it's always about them. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:53.359 Yeah. 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.760 And then when if they perceive rejection, if they perceive 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.720 they are being rejected anyway, they flip out. Yeah, the 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:07.879 mask comes off. You know. Interesting boy, interesting characterizations, interesting characters, 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:19.760 well thought out. Yeah, all right, now Christopher and Laurela. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.080 I end up on the balcony. 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.639 Oh yeah, of her old with a bottle of booze. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.280 But of course, you know, he pulls out a bottle 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:38.840 of the bottle of bathtub gin. Thanks Christopher, how did 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.520 you afford? I guess, I guess that was the last 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.040 charge on his card before it went belly up, bought 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:49.440 a bottle of booze. Did this scene make you particularly 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.600 nauseous as it did as it did me? Uh? 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:59.200 Yeah, I would say a wee bid. Yeah, it's a tragedy, 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.240 a romance comedy at that. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.320 But you know, oh, I. 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.800 Can't have one without the other. I guess, I don't. 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:13.840 Know, And it was I don't know. There's just something 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.200 about that scene. It's just it's very what do they 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:21.840 say today, cringe? Very cringe? Right, I think, very difficult 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.600 for her to play. You know, it just does something 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:29.200 to her character that well, I'm just gonna say it. It 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:33.719 was kind of gross. It really was. Let's just face it. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.359 It was. It was up to that point in the series. 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.439 You're like, you know, you haven't felt nauseous before, but 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:44.920 that was nauseating to take that wonderful character and place 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:54.439 her with such a shlub that it's like, Wow, that's 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:55.320 just gross. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.399 I'm sensing all of this, this great tension and what 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.879 you know, sparks between Luke and Loralai in this in 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:06.280 this particular episode. I mean, this is season one, right, 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:11.040 so I mean, oh, yeah, they're setting that up. They're 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:12.879 setting it up, right, she they're setting up that up. 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:18.280 Who does doing everything up for her morning? Joe and 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:22.120 her pajamas? Still the scene just after. 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.560 Right, But I like but I like her reaction. The 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.919 thing that's redeeming about the the gross scene was that 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.640 she realized that she'd made a huge mistake. Yeah, and 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:39.560 that you know, listen, first loves, they're tough, right, You 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:44.200 never forget about those people. You never stop thinking about 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.560 those people from time to time, I guess, and that 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:49.560 was hers Whether we like it or not, you know, 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:55.840 and in defense of her character, you know, what a 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.880 what a what a position to be in after having 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.520 gone through that kind of again, right, that had to 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:06.320 have triggered her. So it's sort of maybe put her 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:11.360 back in her childhood trauma at sixteen because Strobe Richard 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.040 or Emily yelling at her in the same way that 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.600 Strobe did. You know, as you can just hear Emily 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.000 and Richard screaming at her, You've ruined our lives, You've 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.520 ruined your life. Why won't you marry this man? And 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.200 I mean, are you kidding me? You're going to raise 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.240 the baby and it's going to ruin our lives. It's 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:32.920 pretty much all about them. So here she is reverting 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.480 back to that old behavior. And when she when it's over, 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.120 when it's finished, she's Laurel I again, she's a mother. 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:43.359 She she she gets out of her trauma a little 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.560 bit and says, oh, okay, this was stupid, this was 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.280 a bad idea. Let's get out of here. And they're 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:55.760 silent on the car ride home basically, but Rory picks 0:25:55.760 --> 0:26:00.399 it up. She can pick it up. She senses something happened. Yeah, well, 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.560 and then it all comes out in the kitchen, right, 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:10.440 It all comes out in the Metallica versus Offspring conflict 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.840 scene between Christopher and Lorelei. He admits that he lied 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:18.840 about his company, and it's just such a letdown. I mean, 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.520 the guy's such a letdown right away. So I mean, 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:26.200 if we were, if we were to paint a picture 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:30.520 of a cool modern dude, you know it would be him. 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.480 But boy do they There's so many flaws to this guy. 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:39.479