1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 2: Welcome. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 3: Our third and final panel of the day is the 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: Native Lamppod presents Protecting Black America. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 5: First, baby, they do they got me me first. 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 4: Okay, Well you need to talk first. 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 5: They doing Beyonce first. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think so. 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Have a sea, Bakari, get comfortable, Get comfortable, all right, 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. That is how we introduce every single 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: one of our shows. Today's conversation is on protecting Black America, 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: and I want to just acknowledge and ask you all 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: to stand to your feet. The president and CEO of 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: this organization, Derreck Johnson, is not only in this conversation 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: but has done a wonderful job with this year's convention. 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 4: Please give it up for your president and CEO. Let's 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: be going on. That's great, Thank you all so much. 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: We have one panelist that will be joining us in 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: just a moment, but I just want to take a 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: second to also come in you Bacari, on a great 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: panel on voting rights. It's very, very important for us 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: to be having these conversations. 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 4: I'm giving you kudos and you laughing. 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 5: That's because Ben come out here, Santa and in the 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 5: middle of it, come on here on Tallahassee time. That's okay. 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 4: Can you introduce everybody? I appreciate no thank you. 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 5: I want to say thank you first of all, ladies 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 5: and gentlemen. I have the awesome task of working with 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: Angela Ryah on this podcast. It's very, very hard sometimes 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 5: to be a woman in this country, to be a 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 5: Black woman in this country. And I don't think we 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 5: just say thank you enough to all the black women 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 5: who make our lives. Go around, shout out to my 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 5: wife who's not here, Ellen, and everybody, and I have 37 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 5: a I'm gonna just sit down and try to learn 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 5: something from The four people to my left like to 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 5: have a lot of fun during our podcast, and we're 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: gonna do that. But I'll let you introduce everybody else 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 5: on this panel. 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for giving me more work. Maccary. 43 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: We just do such a good job. So I already 44 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: recognize President Derrick Johnson. I also want to take a 45 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: moment to recognize Jerome Richardson. He was the youngest ever 46 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: serving INAACP Youth in College Division president in Saint Paul. 47 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: You all will hear a little bit more about his story, 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: and just a moment, let's give a round of applause 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: for Jerome. We have missus Wendy Jenkins Hoover, and you 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: will hear a lot more about her story. 51 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 4: In just a moment, let's give her a round of applause. 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: And I think they call this gentleman on the end, 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: black America's Attorney General. 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 4: His name is Ben Crump. Proud to call him big brother. 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 6: Popular. 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: So today's conversation is on protecting Black America, and Derek, 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't thank you and your team more for centering 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the mo with such a mighty, mighty task. We are 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: in the middle of mid decade redistricting. Members of Congress 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: and elected officials all over the country who look. 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 4: Just like you and I are losing their seats left 62 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: and right. 63 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: There are these mysterious deaths and missing black bodies all 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: over the country. I know you all heard a little 65 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: bit from Ben and Nolan Wells family earlier, the rewriting 66 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: of history in Philadelphia, literally taking our history off the walls, 67 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: replacing it with some stuff we don't want to see. 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: From George Washington and his wife. 69 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: It's the folks who are wrongfully charged and convicted in 70 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: this country. Many of us have family members who have 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: been wrongfully charged and convicted. How many of you all 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: have family members who are incarcerated right now? 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 6: Right? 74 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: We know that story all too well. And then there 75 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,279 Speaker 4: are also. 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: Those who are serving time and oftentimes with disproportionate sentences. 77 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: So we talk about protecting Black America, we have to 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: talk about protecting Black America and its fullness. So with that, Derek, 79 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you about our marching 80 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: orders when we leave here. How can we lean into redemption, 81 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: working together, coalition building for a broader and greater goal 82 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: in a time that is so treacherous. 83 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: For our people. 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 7: Well, thank you Angela and Bacari for doing this. We 85 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 7: have to get out of the deaficit in mindset about 86 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 7: what we can do, what we haven't done, and what's 87 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 7: not possible. We come from a history and the legacy 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 7: of making possible what other people think it's impossible. But 89 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 7: it also is going to require strategy and coordination that 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 7: there is no simper bullet, but part of the process 91 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 7: it goes through November because there's no accountability with this 92 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 7: current administration or government. So when we leave here, we 93 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 7: have to recognize that we all have a role to play. 94 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 7: The vehicle of choice for me for public policies INACP, 95 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 7: but if you choose another vehicle, that's a good thing 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 7: because we're not in competition. There should be no more scare. 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 7: See the mentality, and we all recognize in this democracy 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 7: our vote is our currency, and November we want to 99 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 7: deposit our currency collectively to get some accountability. 100 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 5: Jerome, if I can, I know that Angela probably has 101 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 5: something written down for you. But I appreciate having young 102 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 5: voices in the room because let me tell y'all something 103 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 5: about let me tell y'all something about young people that 104 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 5: we misconstrued Jerome and other young people. They're not the 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 5: leaders of tomorrow. That's the most perverted thing that we say. 106 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 5: They're not the leaders of the future. They are the 107 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 5: leaders of right now. Every ounce of change we've ever had, 108 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 5: from a young NAACP to a young SCLC to a 109 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 5: young SNICK has always been led by young people. So 110 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 5: Jerome Turty's people about the battles that you're fighting now 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 5: and how you got motivated to get involved, because what 112 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 5: they gonna walk up to you and ask you, is 113 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: my son my grandson? How do I just get him going? 114 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 5: So help them answer that question right now, because you 115 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 5: got to the NAACP is filled with a lot of 116 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 5: praying grandmama's and praying and aunts and praying uncles and 117 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 5: people who want their young people to do the work 118 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: that you're doing absolutely well. 119 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 8: I have a bit of a peculiar story in that 120 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 8: I'm not a Jack in jail legacy or I'm not 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 8: a NACP legacy, but I'm a legacy of my ancestors 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 8: who have walked the soil before me. 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 5: What does that mean? 124 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 8: I think it's the soil that I walked on in Rondo, 125 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 8: a historical black community that was gingrified, that was disropportionately. 126 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 8: This set disseminated actually in nineteen fifty six after the 127 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 8: highway came through for the National Highway federal acts, and 128 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 8: that destroyed over four hundred homes and over eight hundred businesses. 129 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 8: Over eight hundred businesses are over four hundred homes. Excuse 130 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 8: me and to me that that resonates so strong with 131 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 8: me because the footprint of my ancestors are so often 132 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 8: forgotten about, and I think what catapulted me to say 133 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 8: I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired, And 134 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 8: in the words of Fana lou Hammer, is because my 135 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 8: history is consistently erased, it is consistent disregarded. And what 136 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 8: really motivated me is is to. 137 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: Be able to be a leader, to. 138 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 8: Step in the gap even when we're forgotten about. So 139 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 8: there wasn't a particular call to action, there wasn't a 140 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 8: particular footprint that was laid out for me. But I 141 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 8: think it was just the tenacity, the audacity, the good 142 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 8: trouble fight that I just believed so strongly about that 143 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 8: I had to get up and do something about it. 144 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 8: So I'm grateful for my answers who come before me. 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 8: But I'm also grateful for all the young people who say, yo, 146 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 8: I may not be dismayed by the decisions of an 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 8: administration or by my friends and peers who may not 148 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 8: think this is cool, but for one thing for certain, 149 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 8: I have to continue this legacy that my answers is 150 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 8: built before me. 151 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 6: So that's my position. 152 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 8: That's why I'm here today. 153 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 4: All right, Jerome. 154 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: I love that I do want to lean in a 155 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: little bit to a case that people in this room 156 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: may not have you too, but I think it's important 157 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: to understand. 158 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: You were one of. 159 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: The people who was at the anti ice protest at 160 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: the church in Minnesota and were charged under a statute 161 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: that Edward Kennedy introduced in the Senate to fight back 162 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: against abortion protesters. It was it was not the way 163 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: in which the law was written, but alas the Department 164 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: of Injustice saw things another way. And so you've been 165 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: charged with something pretty serious and are currently fighting even 166 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: though you weren't in the prosture or were in the 167 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: hat of a protester or an activist that day. Talk 168 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: to us a little bit about what happened. 169 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 5: I don't don't mess your case right now, say about 170 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 5: to say about two sentences. 171 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: Could got him. 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 8: Let me let me tell y'all something. 173 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 4: Car is not the only lawyer up here. I got him. 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 8: Eight to five days after I found that I was indicted, 175 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 8: that I got a phone call from Angela Rai. I said, 176 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 8: who is woman Mama? And I was so elated because 177 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 8: I had not done my homework and I found out 178 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 8: that civil rights attorney Congressional Black hau Kiss and I 179 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 8: just want to give flowers to you, and I want 180 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 8: to thank you because you reached out when you didn't 181 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 8: have to your personal phone number. I mean, she called 182 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 8: me when I didn't respond to the text, she said, hey, 183 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 8: are you there? You know so I first and foremost 184 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 8: thank you, and I appreciate you. 185 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 6: What this means to me is. 186 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 8: Not just an active injustice. It is not just a 187 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 8: political attack. But isn't an attack on First Amendment rights. 188 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 8: It is an attack on the freedom of speech. It 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 8: is an attack on when black journalists, independent journalists come 190 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 8: on the ground and say, we have a story to 191 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 8: tell and the truth is the bottom line. And in 192 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 8: that way, I showed up to Minneapolis, my hometown, and 193 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 8: I assisted Don Lemon, who you are affectionately familiar with, 194 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 8: as he called and said, Jerome, you're on the ground. 195 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 8: You've been doing this work since you've been a youngin 196 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 8: I've seen you in different rooms and spaces at the 197 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 8: White House, at Temple University, all these spaces. Can you 198 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 8: can you lead me in your city? And I have 199 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 8: a fond appreciation for that, because so often do people 200 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 8: come in other people's cities and try to lead an 201 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 8: organize instead of decenter in themselves. And so I'm grateful 202 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 8: for that. But I will say that this is an 203 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 8: attack on individuals, activists and journalists. It doesn't matter if 204 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 8: you show up yesterday as an activist or today as 205 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 8: a journalist. It is an attack on black lives. And 206 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 8: I'm so passionate about that because what the administration will 207 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 8: do and what white people will do is they will 208 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 8: put the pain in the process, and that means to 209 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 8: create fear monger amongst CO defendants, to to to cripple, 210 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 8: to cripple the movement by creating the vision between code 211 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 8: defendants and just the fear that comes with that. So 212 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 8: it had it not been for this the oldest civil 213 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 8: rights organization to ever exist, and individuals like yourself, I'd 214 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 8: be lost. Still, I'd be uncertain about the future. So 215 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 8: again I'm grateful, and I'm grateful for this opportunity to 216 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 8: share that. 217 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 6: I do will about to say anything about the case. 218 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 6: Good job, Thank you. 219 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: I do want to say this. 220 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything about the case either in 221 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: that way, Derek, but I do want to say this. 222 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: You all have heralded Don Lemon as the face of 223 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: this case. There's another young woman multimedia journalist named Georgia 224 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: Fort out of Minnesota who was also impacted by this. 225 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: And what's most important is I don't know if any 226 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: of you all have ever caught a federal case, but 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: as expensive as hell. And so what's really important in 228 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: this moment is that we helped Jerome figure out how 229 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: to fundraise to ensure that he can pay for the 230 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: defense that he deserves. I am imploring Acou and others. 231 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: If there are First Amendment attorneys in this room, please 232 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: come see him. Make sure that you have his back, 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: because he really is fighting the good fight, and if 234 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: we do not protect him, we will find ourselves on 235 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: the other end of another case similar to one that 236 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: we're fighting right now. 237 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: As a people. And that's Carmelo Anthony. 238 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: Do not who Jerome Richardson like this community did, Carmelo Anthony. 239 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: With that, we know the justice system is oftentimes in unjust. 240 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: Missus Hoover, I want to come to you because your 241 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: name has a legacy for some in the community, it's 242 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: seen very fondly. For others, people don't always understand your 243 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: full story. Right now, you all are in the middle 244 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: of a really important clemency battle. Please talk to us 245 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: about Larry Hoover, the man, your husband, the father of 246 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: your child, a grandfather, and why this clemency fight is 247 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: so important after fifty three years being incarcerated, it's. 248 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: Important at this time in his life that he deserves 249 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 3: to be released, and he deserves to be released because 250 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: the things that he did as a young man, he 251 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: has redeemed hisself. 252 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 6: Nobody might not want to. 253 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 3: Redeem him, but he has redemption within his own self 254 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: in his heart. Because once he got inconcrated in seventy 255 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 3: three and start saying even these young men coming in 256 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: to the State bil institution and that they could tell him, oh, 257 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: I went to school with. 258 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 6: Your son, or I know your son or whatever. 259 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: That put some real hard decisions on him to change. 260 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 6: His life and whose life. 261 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: He could change, so they don't have to go through 262 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: what he was going through. Not that we knew he 263 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: was going to be in jail. From nineteen seventy three 264 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: up until now, over fifty years, I've had to take 265 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: my sons, my family members that wanted to go visit 266 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: him in and out of these jails. So he has 267 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: redeemed hisself, whether the system the people want to know. 268 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: It was times when he would not write me back. 269 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 6: I would send him letters. 270 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: And he would never respond So I started getting angry 271 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: about that. I'm here, I'm trying to help you, I'm 272 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: sending you letters, I'm writing letters, and you never responding back. 273 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: So in that time he decided to let me know 274 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: that he was illiterate. That didn't change my feelings towards him, 275 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: because he went right into getting his self educated, to 276 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: the point where he made sure young men that would 277 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 3: listen to him come in the institution. He would tell 278 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: them they needed to get their GEDs, and when they 279 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: asked them after they get the GED said, then you're 280 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: gonna get some college. You're gonna keep going to school, 281 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: You're gonna get educated. He got to that point in 282 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: his own life that he was teaching the GED classes, 283 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: so he not only got to tell them to go, 284 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: he was able to teach them that. He even went 285 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: to the point he got his whether the EMT point 286 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: the emergency service. 287 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 6: He went and took that class. 288 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: We teased with a son, our son a lot about 289 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: you had the same name. You could use that license 290 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: if you want to. 291 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: So I mean, you just kid. 292 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: But I mean it's been a struggle. I've been there 293 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: with him through this journey. I mean, from the state 294 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: penitentiaries all the way through the federal penitentiaries, and and 295 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: and that's the worst. If you can tell you're killed 296 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: your sons that they need to talk. That is one 297 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: of the worst systems there is in the United States, 298 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: especially for black men period. 299 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 6: You know, it's terrible. 300 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: You never get to communicate. You sit behind the glass, 301 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: you cannot touch, You can't even come. 302 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 6: In the door and get a hug. 303 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: At least in the state pace you could kind of 304 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: get a hug when you first get there. 305 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 6: In the FEDS system, you get no hug, you get nothing. 306 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: I mean, this man has redeemed herself, whether anybody believe 307 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: or want to know about that, Larry Hoover Senior has 308 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: redeemed himself. He is very educated mentally, so I mean, 309 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: it's not a whole lot to tell he's not coming 310 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: out here. 311 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 6: They want to act like he's in. 312 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: His eighteen to twenty year old that he's going to 313 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: come back in the street. Come on, GDS, let's go, let's. 314 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 4: Go, let's go. 315 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 3: Ain't no GDS for him. I mean, he has health issues. 316 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: I have health issues. We're trying to spend some time. 317 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: He's never got to hug his own grandchildren. So I mean, 318 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 3: come on, he have to sit and talk about things 319 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 3: from when he first got incarcerated, because he remembers everything 320 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: about these kids, what they did, what they didn't do. 321 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 6: Or you remember. 322 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 3: When Junior was doing something and I pinched him on 323 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 3: his booty. That was that the state bill penitentiary and 324 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: he would. 325 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 6: Run it back. 326 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 4: Don't regress with my. 327 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 6: You know. 328 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: So he that's the things that he remembers, all the 329 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: things about the kids. 330 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 6: He'd be telling me. 331 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't remember that, but you know, it's 332 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: just been a long journey. I mean, the youngest son, 333 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: he's done pretty good. He did go to what was 334 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 3: that Morris Brown College where. 335 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 6: You graduate from. 336 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 5: Larry, stand up here, stand up there, he is Larry. 337 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 3: My oldest son graduated for Cardon Blue as a chef. 338 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 6: So I mean we haven't did too bad. 339 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: My son's wife graduated from. 340 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 6: Where family are here, okay, Clark University. 341 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean. 342 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: I got my My family is progressive in being educated 343 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 3: and taking care of our children and our family members. 344 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 3: I got news, graduated from Grandmlin, I got nieces and 345 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: graduated from Texas. This is all my sisters and my 346 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: children from my parents, and he's been played a role 347 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: at a distance all these years. 348 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 5: In all of these he loved the children hard on you. 349 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 5: It's very hard because you a lot of times. What 350 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: we all realize is when we have justice affected individuals 351 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 5: in our family, usually there's some strong person back there 352 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 5: carrying the load. 353 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 9: Nobody knows. 354 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 5: Speaking of strong people, I got a different type of 355 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: question for Ben Crump because I don't call Ben Crump 356 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 5: the black Attorney General. I call Ben Crump Ben. And 357 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 5: when we speak, we ask about each other's families, and 358 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 5: when we hang up the phone, we say I love you. 359 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 5: That is how brother speak. But I have a question 360 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 5: for you. That's a personal question that this audience may 361 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 5: not understand, because when you get a phone call, you 362 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: not only are somebody's lawyer, but you are usually somebody 363 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 5: who has to deal with baby mama's You have to 364 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: deal with children. You are a sociologist, you are a psychiatrist, 365 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 5: You are a funeral planner, you are a funeral speaker. 366 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 5: You help them with finances, you help them organize finances, 367 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 5: and then people don't ever ask how has been how's 368 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 5: been Crump feeling? So the reason Ben was late because 369 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 5: he was back there taking a nap. Y'alla. He forgot 370 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 5: the panel. He was had his neck back, mouth open, 371 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 5: and we all did introduction. But the question is been 372 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 5: talking about. Talk about talk about yourself, Ben and what 373 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 5: it means to be a civil rights lawyer because nobody 374 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 5: sees you flying from city to city. 375 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 9: That was such a kind introduction. I'm sleeping with my 376 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 9: mouth open. 377 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 6: No, but Bacari. 378 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 9: Is a good brother, brilliant and I'm always grateful when 379 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 9: we work on cases together and co counsel, and Angela 380 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 9: is a supreme strategist. So thank you all for doing 381 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 9: what y'all do, not only on Native podcast, but also 382 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 9: what y'all do behind the scenes. The fact that nobody 383 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 9: will never know becar how many times you text me 384 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 9: and I text you, good job, think about trying this here, 385 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 9: think about trying that there. So I just want to 386 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 9: give you all y'all flowers before I answer your question. 387 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 9: Thank you so much, y'all, And I do want to 388 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 9: I don't know if it's been done before, and if 389 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 9: it's then I apologize. I want to do it again. 390 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 9: I at least want technowledge again. The parents of Nolan Wells, 391 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 9: Christine and Elmore Wiseley, if you are well, give them 392 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 9: some love as they continue to I mean, they bared 393 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 9: their son two days ago. I mean, and for them 394 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 9: to come to the NAACP shows you the dignity and 395 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 9: conviction in the fight for jesters. So thank you all 396 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 9: so much. And it's so deep because your question, because 397 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 9: I keep thinking my mother and my wife every time 398 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 9: they talk about this case in particular, they say, I 399 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 9: don't even know if I could talk. I lost my child, 400 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 9: and they don't have no answers to what nobody ain't 401 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 9: saying that ain't seen nothing. So it does become psychological 402 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 9: ba card where you're trying to give them pep talks. 403 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 9: You're talking to your team about y'all, let's give them 404 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 9: grace if they can't do the interview and so forth, 405 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 9: even though you want them to do the interview. Because 406 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 9: Garry Johnson, I know many cases in Mississippi we worked 407 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 9: on the black people got killed and nobody ain't say nothing, 408 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 9: I mean, just sweep it under the rug. So you're like, no, no, 409 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 9: we got to keep pushing y'all because America will move 410 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 9: on and they'll move on quick. And so that's the 411 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 9: psychological part of it talking to Cliff every night, how 412 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 9: they doing, you know, And because you work with Cliff, 413 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 9: you know, you gotta have a good team. And it 414 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 9: really becomes mental. If you're doing this type of work, 415 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 9: you gotta be able to stir good. Martia said, compartmentalize, 416 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 9: you know, so you're not You're not human if you 417 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 9: don't see Brianna's body on that floor with those eight 418 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 9: bullet holes. But you try to separate that from your 419 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 9: mind and say, but I gotta keep fighting for justice 420 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 9: because if I get too emotion and I take my 421 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 9: eyes off the prize, that means they're going to be 422 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 9: another Brianna, you know, another Carmelo, Anthony, Angela, another man. 423 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 9: I look at the similarities all of them harken back 424 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 9: in my mind to Trayvon, you know, all the young people. 425 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 9: I saw Carmelo's smile, I see Nolan's smile, and I 426 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 9: think about Trayvon's big smile. So every night you're thinking, man, 427 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 9: what can I do, Lord help me to try to 428 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 9: get just So. 429 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 5: That's a lot of black bodies going through your head. 430 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, and you know we worked on them 431 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 9: together because and you just say, I don't care. You know, 432 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 9: the haters, the critics and everything. When you have a 433 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 9: calling all your life from God, you say, no, no, 434 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 9: I'm just trying to help people. 435 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be of service. 436 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 9: And that's all that matters. So that's kind of how 437 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 9: I deal with to just say, Lord, I'm trying to 438 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 9: be faithful to your calling, and I know that I 439 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 9: may fall short, but with your grace, Lord, we keep fighting. 440 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 9: So thank you Car for that question. 441 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, I actually appreciate this personal through line because 442 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: this is about protecting Black America and oftentimes we do 443 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: sacrifice ourselves to the point of it costing our personhood. Derek, 444 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: who is my other big brother on the stage. 445 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:25,239 Speaker 4: Regularly, nobody really want love lawyer up here. 446 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: If I clock you one time, I got a company, 447 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: but I was gonna say, you know, d My favorite 448 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: thing about you when you call is you will always 449 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: ask know how are you? 450 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 4: And I think that you all. 451 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: Don't always get to see the personal side of your president. 452 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: You come up to them. You got an issue with 453 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: the branch, Your president is crazy, you need him to 454 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: handle somebody. But I want you to know this about 455 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Derek too. Apparently one day I was screaming on the 456 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: phone so much that Derek was like, have you heard 457 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: of this show called Shrinking? Yeah, it's a show on 458 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: Apple TV for those of you who haven't, And do 459 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: I want you to know I finish every season. I'm 460 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: grateful for that show and for I do also have 461 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: a therapist. Y'all, don't scream all the time. But I 462 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: think that it was so important because it was like, 463 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: I need you to tap into something outside of what 464 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: black people need right now. 465 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: I need you to just have this vehicle. 466 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: But it also ended up being like therapy, do they 467 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: deal with grief and on, like hilarious situations between a 468 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: father and his adolescent daughter. 469 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: All of these things. 470 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: Talk about how you're also balancing the pull and the 471 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: tug and the push. 472 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: You have a large board, several branches. Everybody don't always 473 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 4: do what you want them to do. 474 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: Talk about how you also balance what's important to you 475 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: and protect yourself in this era. 476 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 7: You know, I just got back off vacation and I 477 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 7: was foolish enough to not take. 478 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: A vacation over two years. That was dumb. 479 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 7: And I realized while I was on vacation, I would 480 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 7: get up when I got up, and I'll just go 481 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 7: walk it was so refreshing, because at some point we 482 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 7: begin to carry on loos so we don't even know 483 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 7: what we carry. We don't recognize the burden between work, life, 484 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 7: community and responsibility. And for me, I thought me getting 485 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 7: up every morning, going to the gym and listening to 486 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 7: gospel music was enough. Sometimes we just have to unplug 487 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 7: and get away. 488 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 4: What that was talking about probably. 489 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 7: A year and a half ago, and she was on 490 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 7: and she was on ten. The real issue wasn't the 491 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 7: issue she was talking about. She's also managing maturing parents. 492 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 7: I'm in the midst of that right now. Some of 493 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 7: us are in the midst of that. And when you 494 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 7: compound all of that and you realize that the foundation 495 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 7: that you normally go to now they're looking for you 496 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 7: to be the foundation on top of all your work. 497 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 7: Anytimes you have to pull back. When I spoke on Monday, 498 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 7: I said, we have to stop majoring in the minor, 499 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 7: because when we made you in the minor, the little stuff, 500 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 7: the nitpicking, the pecking, the pecking, it gets old and tiring, 501 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 7: and you can wear people out. And some of you 502 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 7: have gotten worn out because you're managing, trying to represent 503 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 7: the association in your community. To do goodbye, community and 504 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 7: family responsibilities and personal health issues all at the same time. 505 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 7: If you don't have a set of individuals you can 506 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 7: pick up the phone and just be able to say 507 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 7: this is an issue of you don't have anybody that 508 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 7: you can be a platform for to say, hey, slow down. 509 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 7: While we doing this, we cannot take care of community. 510 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 7: We're not taking care of ourself. And the real question 511 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 7: be all the time is who is caring for the 512 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 7: caregiver and to do this work. We're all caregivers for 513 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 7: a community, but don't forget to take care of yourself 514 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 7: at the exact same time. 515 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 5: Amen, I say that all the time, mister President, I 516 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 5: go to therapy to deal with the negroes who don't 517 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 5: go to therapy. So I completely understand that. 518 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: Y'all pray for him and the rest of us. So normally, 519 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: if you're wrapping up our show, we normally in what 520 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: calls to action. So very briefly, we're going to go 521 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: to each of you for a call to action. Ben, 522 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, missus, who I love to 523 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: hear from you what the community can do because supporting 524 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: this clemency initiative. 525 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: Ben will start with you. Yeah, the call to. 526 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 9: Action for me is very simple, you know, Doctor King said, 527 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 9: the coward will asked the question is it safe, he said, 528 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 9: expediency will ask the question is it politically correct? He said, 529 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 9: Vanity that comes along asked the question is it popular? 530 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 9: But then doctor King said, conscience comes along and ask 531 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 9: the question is it right? And he said there comes 532 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 9: a time when one must take a position that's neither popular, 533 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 9: nor politically correct, or not even safe, but you must 534 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 9: do it because your conscience tells you it is the 535 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 9: right thing to do. Now, more than ever in the 536 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 9: United States of America, we have the understand it is 537 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 9: the right thing to do to stand up and for 538 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 9: our children's future, speak up for our black children's futures, 539 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 9: and to fight for our black children's future. Justice for 540 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 9: Nolan Well. 541 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 5: Ms Hoover, what's a couple of what's a couple of 542 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 5: things that we can do to help you in your fight? 543 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 6: Well? 544 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: At this point now he's waiting to go back to 545 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: the parole board. So all I need is people to 546 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: if you don't believe what I'm saying, or did some 547 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: real history of checking on Larry Hoover, I would appreciate 548 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: if you would really go and do the research on 549 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: the work that me being the head person to help 550 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: push with these young men and children and all. I 551 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: don't even know my name, my name not miss who 552 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 3: is mama? Okay, because that's what everybody tries to call me. 553 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: But do some research and stop feeding into the news 554 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: media and these people that give all this terrible perception 555 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: of what he has done. He did his crime, he's 556 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: paid for his crime, and he's redeemed hisself to be 557 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: a great man in a real positive way. And it's 558 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 3: so many young people that he could possibly help to 559 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: just know that he finally made it out of that 560 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: dungeon that he could help with not just doing but 561 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: just showing them how he had to do in order 562 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: to get himself out of being within the hands and 563 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: the laws. 564 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 6: Of the system. 565 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 4: Thank thank you, thank you. 566 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 5: Jerome. 567 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's a hard question to ask. 568 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 5: After No, it's not you need some legal defense? 569 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 8: I do? I do? 570 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 9: I do? 571 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 8: I need legal I need Okay, well let me let 572 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 8: me throw off my state because they're gonna get me backstage. 573 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 8: I need legal defense fund. I have a civil in 574 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 8: a criminal case. Uh So, any support their legal aid 575 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 8: and whatnot? But also I was recently, thank you, I 576 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 8: was recently laid off from work, so you know anybody 577 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 8: who's looking for a young brother to work. But you know, 578 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 8: I said, that's hard a question because after you know, 579 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 8: being stripped of your clothes and surveillance by Homeland and 580 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 8: posted on Twitter by Pambini, and your and your wrists 581 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 8: shackled to your waist and your ankles and all of 582 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 8: these things happening in Jerome Richardson versity the United States 583 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 8: and flight risk, and it's hard to really be able 584 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 8: to be like, yep, I know what I need. 585 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 6: You know, but at. 586 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 8: Most your prayers, uh, you know, your your your support, 587 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 8: your love uh and in legal support. 588 00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 5: Uh. 589 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: At most I don't want to bypass what you said 590 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: about also needing work. 591 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 4: So this young man is very smart. 592 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: He is dedicated his very early life to the NAACP 593 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: SO folks who need young people, young innovative, brilliant minds, 594 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: who also has some producer creds. Please make sure you 595 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: see Jerome Richardson Derek two things. 596 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 7: One is about self care. If you want someone to 597 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 7: see the power in you, are you able to see 598 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 7: the power in them? The reciprocity of love require you 599 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 7: to actively see beyond people's fault so people can see 600 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 7: beyond your fault. Second part, I need you to take 601 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 7: out your phones. We're doing this all session. November is 602 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 7: an important juncture in our fight for power. We can't 603 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 7: allow it to go back. We have a very targeted 604 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 7: program in your phone. You got at least five people 605 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 7: you can text right now, the two zero seven zero 606 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 7: seven volunteer. We need people to be strategic and giddy 607 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 7: on the doors and getting folks to the polls across 608 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 7: the country. The power we have will be the power 609 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 7: we protect. But if we don't protect it, we. 610 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 9: Won't have it. 611 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna be quick. I'm a big proponent. I 612 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 5: talk about it on the show. Thank you for everybody 613 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 5: who likes and subscribes to Native Lampod. I've always talked 614 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 5: about it on the show. 615 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 9: One. 616 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 5: I'm playing with this word a lot. It is the 617 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 5: most powerful word that I know. But grace, it's the 618 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 5: only thing that we don't give ourself enough of and 619 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 5: others enough of. And so you're as you are meandering 620 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 5: through life, try to practice grace. That's number one and 621 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 5: number two and this is for black folks. And I'm 622 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 5: glad we in this room because I can articulate it. 623 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 5: But especially during this time right now, mister President and 624 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 5: Ms Hoover and Jerome and Ben and Angela, we have 625 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 5: to do something which is very very hard, which is 626 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 5: we have to rededicate ourselves to loving our neighbors. But 627 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 5: we have to love our neighbors even when they don't 628 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 5: love us. And that's a very very work. He ain't 629 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 5: done with you yet, Angela, and that's a very difficult process. 630 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 5: It's aspirational for me, but I tell everybody it's it's 631 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 5: the only way that we can live unburdened and do 632 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 5: God's work is if we love our neighbors even when 633 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 5: they don't love us. 634 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 6: Love, compassion, and respect. 635 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, b I think my only ask is this, 636 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,479 Speaker 1: and I am very protective of the people who I love. 637 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: I said a couple of times already that Derek is 638 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: a big brother to me, and I've seen him work 639 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: very very hard on this and so many things. He 640 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: loves the association. When y'all see him in the hallway today, 641 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: just tell him thank you. You don't necessarily have to 642 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: shake his. 643 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 4: Hand or give him a hug. 644 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: You might be running, but just make sure you tell him. 645 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: Thank you and Miana and Derek received that today. Thank 646 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: you for an amazing, amazing convention. Welcome home y'all will see. 647 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 5: It, am y'all. 648 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 4: Thank y'all. 649 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: Welcome home to the Natives Leaning on the podcast, Face 650 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: Tess and for greatness. 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