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Speaker 1: It's up to you how you feel, how hard you'll

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Speaker 2: Previously on Heidi World. Heidi Flights has gone from ELA's

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Speaker 2: glittering hilltop mansions to its prison downtown as a result

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Speaker 2: as a Hollywood madam. By the two thousands, she is

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Speaker 3: Chapter ten, The Desert and Beyond.

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Speaker 2: Heidi moves to Perump, Nevada to start a stud farm

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Speaker 2: Heidi World. I'm your host, Molly Lambert. It's the early

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Speaker 2: two thousands and Heidi Flies is out of prison, ready

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Speaker 2: to rebuild her life from scratch. Her first stop is

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Speaker 1: Every woman at the market was looking at me as

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Speaker 2: Recently, she's been CouchSurfing through her rich friends' houses. Staying

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Speaker 2: She invites a journalist over to play chess with her

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Speaker 2: in prison, Heidi brushed up on her skills as a

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Speaker 2: Heidi says she turned down publishing deals from people who

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Speaker 4: Heidi, to do a book, now, you're.

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Speaker 2: Instead, she started her own publishing company called One Hour

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Speaker 2: She raised a few grand and went to the publishing

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Speaker 2: trade fair Book Expo America, where, in true Heidi fashion,

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Speaker 1: Whoever you think is doing it, is doing it, and

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Speaker 1: Just because I got caught and I sunk the ship

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Speaker 2: At thirty seven years old, Heidi is washed up as

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Speaker 2: and served a six month home detention for it pandering.

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Speaker 2: Her book is designed for an audience with increasingly short

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Speaker 2: Heidi realizes that the world has changed in many ways

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Speaker 2: It's the same inventory from the Hollywood Madam Store, with

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Speaker 2: In the distant past, especially in the Old West, Madams

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and five. Heidi has a new business venture.

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Speaker 2: It's an ambitious new vision. She is going to open

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Speaker 3: The plan is to charge two.

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Speaker 1: Women are more independent these days, they make more money.

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Speaker 1: The first in line. I mean, relationships are harder than dieting,

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Speaker 2: Heidi's stud Farm will operate in Crystal, Nevada. She moves

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Speaker 2: HBO's adult Theme After Dark programming block, which sadly streaming

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Speaker 2: put an end to which I was sad about because

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Speaker 2: we love it. Heidi wants her stud farm to have

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Speaker 2: an old Hollywood theme, with palm trees and waterfalls, just

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Speaker 2: like the classic Sunset strip supper clubs. Madame Alex loved.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be like Leo DiCaprio and the Aviator, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put out a casting call for about

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Speaker 1: twenty guys. I bet I get thousands of applicants.

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Speaker 2: People scoff at Heidi's plans for the stud Farm, insisting

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Speaker 3: To which I say, shut the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: I personally think Heidi was again ahead of her time,

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Speaker 2: a strong tide. A surfer rescued Jesse Flyce, but Jason drowned.

434
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: Forty four year old Heidi Flyes enters the Celebrity Big

435
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Brother House on January third, missing her brother's funeral.

436
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Speaker 6: I put a billion dollars in the studio's packets. I

437
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 6: put half a billion dollars in Chuck's pocket. So this

438
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 6: is the freaking thanks I get. If people want me

439
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: to succeed, they should find the most comfortable chair in

440
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 6: their freaking house. Lean back, open a beer, and watch

441
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 6: the show, because it's about to get really narly. Charlie Sheen.

442
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen is arrested in a domestic violence dispute with

443
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Speaker 2: his third wife, Brooke Muller. He allegedly threatens her on

444
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: Christmas Day in Aspen, and she calls nine to one

445
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: one while the underwear company Haines dumps him as a spokesman.

446
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: CBS stands behind Sheen and says it's business as usual

447
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: on the Two and a half Men set. However, a

448
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: potential felony wrap for Sheen does have the potential to

449
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Speaker 2: affect Two and a half Men, which, as we said,

450
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Speaker 2: is a number one rated huge hit, pulling in fifteen

451
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Speaker 2: million viewers. CBS and executive producer Chuck Lorie declined to comment.

452
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: Sheen is headed to court over serious charges, so Laurie

453
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: and CBS quietly start weighing their options regarding Sheen's long,

454
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: expensive deal and the future of the show. Laurie and

455
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: Sheen finally get into a public feud. After Sheen calls

456
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: Louri a quote little maggot and refers to him as

457
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 2: hi Am Levine in what some call an anti Semitic comment,

458
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Laurie shuts down production for the rest of the season.

459
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: Sheen retaliates in the media.

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Speaker 6: These guys are a couple of AA Nazis and just

461
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 6: blatant hypocrites. They do not practice what they preach. It's

462
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 6: so transparent and so say.

463
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven CBS fire Charlie Sheen and replace him with

464
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher. Heidi makes a television special for Animal Planet

465
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: called Heidi Flies Prostitutes to Parrots about flights and her

466
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: bird sanctuary from a cause in Nevada, Charlie Sheen begins

467
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: a tour called My Violent Torpedo of Truth slash Defeat

468
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: is Not an Option. The same year, he is a

469
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: host at the annual Gathering of the Jugs. Ginger Allen

470
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: auctions off some of the keepsakes from her relationship with

471
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen. She says she hasn't seen him in fifteen years,

472
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: but she still wishes him well.

473
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 7: We all have demons, we all fight them. We fall down,

474
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 7: we get back up. I've done it everyone I know

475
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: has done it. It seems to me, without knowing any details,

476
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 7: that right now Charlie is going to take a little

477
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 7: different course. Hopefully he'll rise again. He'll be like the Phoenix.

478
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 7: Gingerlyn Allen. Adult film star.

479
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: Dennis hoff is accused of sexually assaulting a woman at

480
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Speaker 2: the Love Ranch.

481
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: Mindy McCrady, one of.

482
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: Heidi's Celebrity Rehab castmates, commits suicide. Doctor Drew continues to

483
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: defend Celebrity Rehab and insists the show, which ended Forever

484
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, was not exploitative of the incredibly fragile

485
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: drug users that put on display. July nineteenth, twenty fourteen,

486
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: at the age of eighty, doctor Paul Flics dies at

487
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: his home. He had been recovering from a recent bicycle accident.

488
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: Jesse Flice heard his father having some trouble breathing in

489
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: his bed, and by the time paramedics arrived, he was dead.

490
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: November sixteenth, twenty sixteen, Heidi's defense lawyer, Anthony Brooklyer, hangs

491
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: himself at his Century City home at the age of seventy.

492
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: A year earlier, one of his sons, also named Anthony Brooklyer,

493
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: had also committed suicide by hanging Brooklaire had been struggling

494
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: with the loss of his son.

495
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Speaker 8: At age ten, I started working at the local dairy

496
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 8: queen sweeping the parking lot, and the manager told me

497
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 8: I was the best parking lot sweeper he'd ever seen.

498
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 8: I put most of my money into pinball machines, and

499
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 8: that's when I first became aware of the connection between

500
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 8: money and pleasure.

501
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 9: If you had money, you had.

502
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: A good time.

503
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: If not, you did.

504
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 8: Dennis Hoff, entrepreneur.

505
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: Inspired by Donald Trump's presidential victory, Dennis Hoff, the owner

506
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: of legal brothel The Love Ranch, decides to run for office.

507
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: Hoff credits Trump with inspiring him to switch from his

508
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: former Libertarian Party affiliation to run as a GOP candidate.

509
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 8: We're both famous and infamous.

510
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 9: We're both high profile. We're both celebrities.

511
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 8: We're both successful businessmen. We both have reality television shows,

512
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 8: we both have written books.

513
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: We're both rich and we can't be bought.

514
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 8: There's a lot of similarities, and we're doing it for

515
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 8: the right reasons.

516
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: His opponent says, Dennis Hoff is not even a real Republican.

517
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: He just uses whatever is happening politically to promote business.

518
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: At the Love Ranch.

519
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: He works both sides of the aisle for the Almighty Dollar.

520
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: For example, he once did a Hooker's for Hillary promotion.

521
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: After running as the Trump from Perump, Dennis Hoff wins

522
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: the Republican primary for the Nevada State Legislature. He celebrates

523
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: with Heidi in Perump, and Heidi wears a vote Hoff shirt.

524
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: In a June seventh, twenty eighteen, Hollywood Reporter interview with

525
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: Heidi on the twenty fifth anniversary of her arrest, hide

526
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: Felice continues to evade simple classifications of good and bad.

527
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: She seems to replicate some of her dad's more outrap

528
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 2: pseudoscientific medical views with a comment about aids being less

529
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: deadly than asthma now that there's medication for it, and

530
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: she uses certain outdated terms for trans women while discussing

531
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: the idea of opening a trans.

532
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: Staffed brothel in Perrump.

533
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: She is mixed on the me Too movement, and when

534
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: one of her ex boyfriends alleged assault on an eleven

535
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: year old girl is brought up, she says, if it's true,

536
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: he should be castrated. She is neither a conventional California

537
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: liberal nor a full on reactionary libertarian. She says that

538
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: the Black Book or Red Gucci Planner showed up on

539
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: eBay and she called to have it taken down. The

540
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: book had been stolen by some people who were also

541
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: trying to latch onto Stormy Daniels, the porn star who

542
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: had a sexual relationship with Donald Trump.

543
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: When the reporter.

544
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: Asks if Heidi'sill has the book herself, she says no,

545
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: then changes her answer to kind of, and then asks

546
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: why it matters at all?

547
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

548
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Actually, it was just something that seemed very private and

549
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: personal that was no one else's business. That's just how

550
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: I feel about it today and how I always felt.

551
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: I was offered a lot of money to sell that book,

552
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: and there were times when I really needed that money,

553
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: but that was never something that I would do.

554
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: October of twenty eighteen, Dennis Hoff wins his election. He

555
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: spends the weekend partying at the Love Ranch for several

556
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: days straight to celebrate his win, and then.

557
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: He was totally stiff, and I said, honey, we have

558
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 5: a problem here.

559
00:37:54,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 10: Ron Jeremy Hoff drops down at age seventy two during

560
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 10: his election victory bender at the Love Ranch and is

561
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 10: found by his friend, the porn star and serial rapist

562
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 10: ron Jeremy.

563
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: Heidi is shaken up by Hoff's death, as are the

564
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: Love Ranch's sex workers.

565
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: Everyone is very.

566
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Confused about what's going to happen with a dead guy

567
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: being in office.

568
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: You want to do the right thing with money inherited

569
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: from your parents. I will not disrespect my father. Look

570
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: at what I already did to him. He worked hard

571
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: and I was a madam.

572
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: Time continues to pass and Heidi learns about a new

573
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: kind of money making scheme, cryptocurrency. But she's out of

574
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: her depth, and even Heidi Flies can get scammed. She

575
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: gets fleeced in a bitcoin scammed by a former friend

576
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: named Elizabeth Keating, who worked for her for years and

577
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: talked her into going in on some bitcoin that she

578
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: said would help Flies fund her bird saying so, Heidi

579
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: bought four hundred thousand dollars worth of bitcoin at six

580
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a coin, and it rose to twenty thousand

581
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: dollars a coin, at which point Keating locked her out

582
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: of the account and sold the money. Heidi says it's

583
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: morally despicable to steal the money from her and her birds.

584
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: She sues Keating for four million dollars after tracking her

585
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: down and having her served with a summons in a

586
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: flour delivery.

587
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: I've known Steve Bing since I was twenty one, and

588
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: we talked on the phone twice a day every day.

589
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: We were really close.

590
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: In your twenties your lovers with everyone, and then in

591
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: your thirties you become friends. I snort meth like I'm

592
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: drinking a cup of coffee.

593
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: I don't stay up all night doing rails. I have

594
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: birds to feed in the morning.

595
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: Heidi is quoted in The New York Post about the

596
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: suicide of her friend Steve Bing, who jumped to his

597
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: death from the roof of his Century City high rise.

598
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: Steve ban inherited six hundred million dollars from his grandfather,

599
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: real estate developer Leo es Bang, at the age of eighteen.

600
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: Heidi says that Bing strung her along with extravagant promises

601
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: of money for her bird sanctuary. He was going to

602
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: set her up with a new space in Palm Springs

603
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: where she could live with the birds in comfort. She

604
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: also really needed the money after losing her inheritance from

605
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: her father in the bitcoin scam. Heidi thinks the reports

606
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: of Steve bing only having three hundred thousand dollars when

607
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: he killed himself are false. She knows for a fact

608
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: that he recently had twenty million. Although Bang is known

609
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: for spending his inheritance compulsively on drugs and sex workers,

610
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: he hires a lot of trans women who are sex

611
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: workers and often pays for their surgeries. He's also an

612
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: investor in things like the Clinton Foundation and the Polar Express.

613
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: After his death, there are immediate rumors that he was suicided,

614
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: as he was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's. Heidi is

615
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: sad about her friend dying, but also about his lifelong

616
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: promises to give her money. Vanishing into smoke, Heidi says

617
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: she's been celibate for five years. All she cares about

618
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: now is the birds. When Heidie World returns, what happened

619
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: to everyone in Heidie World?

620
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Heidie World the present.

621
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Speaker 6: Everybody's reclusive.

622
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 8: When you make a certain amount of money, especially if

623
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 8: you've had a tough life, you try to fortify yourself

624
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 8: with your friends and kind of keep the world out.

625
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 9: I used to date all young girls, and then it.

626
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: Was like I could be your grandfather.

627
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 7: What am I doing?

628
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: John Peters film producer.

629
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: John Peters paid out three point three million dollars in

630
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: a sexual harassment suit in twenty eleven. In January of

631
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, he married Pamela Anderson, then got divorced, with

632
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: Anderson claiming the marriage was never real because papers were

633
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: not filed. He was recently portrayed by Bradley Cooper in

634
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: Paul Thomas Anderson's Lickerurge Pizza. When I profiled Altaheim for

635
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: a magazine, she said that she didn't know that much

636
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: about the real John Peters and that the movie character

637
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: might be an exaggeration, to which I said, Oh no,

638
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: it's a documentary that's exactly what John Peters is like.

639
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: Robert Evans died at the age of eighty nine in

640
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, California. Evans, a New York Russian Jew who

641
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: came out West to act and then started producing films

642
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: in the early sixties, was a self made legend who

643
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: loved telling people about it. He was convicted of cocaine

644
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: trafficking in nineteen eighty, convicted of making Chinatown sequel The

645
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: Two Jakes in nineteen ninety, and called to the stand

646
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: in the Cotton Club murder trial in nineteen ninety one.

647
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: His autobiography The Kid Stays in the Picture came out

648
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four and was adapted into a successful

649
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: documentary of the same name in two thousand and two

650
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: that burnished evans legend as producer of films like The Godfather.

651
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Evans was married seven times, but died a bachelor. His

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Speaker 2: last film credit as a producer while living was How

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Speaker 2: to Lose a Guy in Ten Days, one last hit for.

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Speaker 3: The Ultimate Hollywood Hustler.

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Speaker 2: In July of twenty nineteen teen, Paramount decided not to

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Speaker 2: renew their contract with Robert Evans Productions, a deal that

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Speaker 2: he'd had there since nineteen seventy four. Evans died in

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Speaker 2: October of twenty nineteen, but, like Don Simpson, due to

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Speaker 2: he executive produces from beyond the Grave. Yvonne Naj moved

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Speaker 2: directing titles like Trailer Trash, Terry with Terry Starr, All

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Speaker 2: Nude Nikki with Niki Nova, and Izzy Sleez's Casting Couch Qties.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety nine, he makes.

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Speaker 2: A porno called Wild Desire with the quote most downloaded

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Speaker 2: woman on the Internet Danny ash Yvonne naj dies in

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. In twenty seventeen, he receives a postumost executive

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Speaker 2: producer credit on a movie called Hitchhiker Massacre, starring Drew

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Speaker 2: Barrymore's half brother John Blythe Barrymore and David Carrodine's daughter,

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Speaker 2: Callista Carrodine. Adult Video News Hall of Famer, an Original

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Speaker 2: Vivid Videos Contract Star Vivid Girl, Ginger Len Allen continues

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Speaker 2: to act in horror films like twenty twenty's Slash Laurette

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Speaker 2: Party and The upcoming Pig Killer, while her adult scenes

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Speaker 2: are re released in compilations like My Mom Is a

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Speaker 2: Lesbian and the ongoing I Want to Come Inside Your

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Speaker 2: Mom series. After her relationship with Charlie Sheen ended, Ginger

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Speaker 2: Lynn Allen had a son with porn producer Stephen Hirsch.

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Speaker 3: Heidi's cousin, Mike Feiss, creator of The.

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Speaker 2: Bachelor, is accused of domestic assault and takes a public

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Speaker 2: step back from The Bachelor franchise, which continues to be

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Speaker 2: one of the most popular shows on television. In twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: Alexandra Dattig gets engaged to fellow wing media rising star

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Speaker 2: Larry Elder.

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Speaker 3: After an eighteen month courtship.

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Speaker 2: She moves in with him and gets a tattoo that

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Speaker 2: says Larry's Girl at his request. She says that she

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Speaker 2: was working as more or less as personal assistant, helping

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Speaker 2: himself produce his streaming radio show from home, but wasn't

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Speaker 2: paid a salary. The engagement ended acrimoniously later that year.

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Speaker 3: Elder was the.

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Speaker 2: Right wing candidate during the twenty twenty one attempt to

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Speaker 2: recall California Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom, at which point Alexandra

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Speaker 2: Dadigg spoke up during his campaign to allege that Larry

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Speaker 2: Elder had once threatened her by showing her his gun

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Speaker 2: during an argument. Daddig also had her own campaign to

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Speaker 2: recall La Mayor Eric Garcetti, the son of Gil Garcetti,

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Speaker 2: over LA's escalating homelessness crisis. She started an online petition

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Speaker 2: to gather the signatures to recall Garcetti. And you may

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Speaker 2: know about how easy it is to trigger or recall

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Speaker 2: vote in California, because it's been happening instantly since the

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Speaker 2: recall of Gray Davis that got California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Speaker 2: Jody baby Doll Gibson aka Sasha of the Valley dies

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Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty two in Yucca Valley.

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Speaker 9: The other players, like Madame Alex, were all working with

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Speaker 9: the LAPD giving lists of their clients on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 9: Heidi wouldn't play the game. She broke all the rules.

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Speaker 9: She kind of did it for fun, which was why

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Speaker 9: she was so successful. Nick Broomfield.

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Speaker 2: Nick Broomfield most recently put out a documentary called Last

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Speaker 2: Man Standing, Suge Knight and the Murders of Biggie and Tupac,

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Speaker 2: after other documentaries like Leonard and Mary Anne about the

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Speaker 2: relationship between Leonard Cohen and his lover and muse Mary

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Speaker 2: Anne Illan and Whitney Houston.

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Speaker 3: Can I Be Me?

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Speaker 2: Which is really depressing but really good and I recommend

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Speaker 2: James con Is on Twitter. Tom Sizemore was in Twin

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Speaker 2: Peaks The Return. He works seemingly constantly in b movies,

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Speaker 2: and some upcoming projects from his IMDb include Dark Karma,

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Speaker 2: Eat Lead, and Father's Day. In twenty seventeen, it was

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Speaker 2: revealed that he'd been kicked off the set of a

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Speaker 2: movie in two thousand and three for allegedly molesting an

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Speaker 2: eleven year old girl, which he denied doing. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: he was arrested in Burbank for possessing quote various illegal narcotics.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen came out as an anti vaxer during his

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Speaker 2: marriage to Denise Richards and cited their differences in views

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Speaker 2: on the subject as one of the reasons for the split.

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Speaker 2: This means Denise Richards is pro vaccine. Good for you, Denise,

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Speaker 2: We love your work. In twenty eleven, Charlie Sheen was

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Speaker 2: living with a twenty four year old adult actress named

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Speaker 2: Brie Olsen and a twenty four year old model and

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Speaker 2: graphic designer named Natalie Kes, and he referred to the

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Speaker 2: two girls as his goddesses. They both moved out in

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Speaker 2: the next two months. Sheen revealed in twenty fifteen that

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Speaker 2: he was HIV positive and on the cocktail, and then

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Speaker 2: he went public because he was being extorted for several

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Speaker 2: years by a group threatening to reveal his.

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Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, he went on The Doctor Oz Show

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Speaker 2: and said he'd gone off his HIV meds and was

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Speaker 2: seeking alternative treatment in Mexico from an Australian quack doctor

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Speaker 2: named Sam Chatchua. In twenty sixteen, Charlie Sheen also came

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Speaker 2: under investigation by the LAPD for threatening to kill his fiancee,

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Speaker 2: scottene Ross, a former adult star who went by the

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Speaker 2: stage name Brett Rossi. In twenty seventeen, he was sued

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Speaker 2: by an unnamed ex girlfriend for knowingly exposing her to

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Speaker 2: HIV without telling her. On the acting side, he had

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Speaker 2: a TBS sitcom called Anger Management that started in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 2: the year after he crashed his two and a half

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Speaker 2: Men gig. Most recently, Sheen was on Instagram promoting a

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Speaker 2: podcast slash pilot that he made with Entourage's Doug Ellen

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Speaker 2: called Ramble On. It is I think a podcast that's

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Speaker 2: the spinoff of Doug Allen's podcast Victory about Entourage, but

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Speaker 2: also a backdoor TV pilot because.

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Speaker 3: Stars they're just like us.

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Speaker 2: Ramble On the TV show pilot stars Charlie Sheen as himself,

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Speaker 2: alongside E from Entourage who I won't dignify with his

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Speaker 2: government name and Kevin Dillon as themselves, plus veteran character

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Speaker 2: actor John C. McGinley, who was in platoon with Charlie Sheen,

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Speaker 2: and then cameo appearances from people like Martin Sheen, Mark Cuban,

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Speaker 2: and Jamie Lynn Siegler. IMDb says it's a show about

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Speaker 2: established showbiz folks and newcomers, and it appears to mostly

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Speaker 2: take place at the Smokehouse Restaurant in Burbank, which is

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Speaker 2: an old school place that I obviously love from nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty six, which for La is like a million years old,

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Speaker 2: and it is a showbiz hangout because it's right across

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Speaker 2: from where a lot of television shoots. Charlie also has

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Speaker 2: a website www. Dot genius dot com.

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Speaker 1: At the time, what was going on in my house

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Speaker 1: hanging around girls just goofing around, playing in the pool.

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Speaker 1: It really seemed like a time of innocence, like a

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Speaker 1: sick sorority club.

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Speaker 2: As we reached the city limits of Heidieworld, I've been

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Speaker 2: thinking a lot about what drew me to the story

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Speaker 2: of Heidiflas in the first place. I did not set

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Speaker 2: out to make this podcast autobiographical, but it ended up

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Speaker 2: being that way because it turns out that I clearly

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Speaker 2: always identified in some way with Heidiflice as a frizzy haired,

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Speaker 2: self conscious Jewish girl from Los Angeles, eager to make

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Speaker 2: a name for herself in a city where her name

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Speaker 2: didn't mean anything to anyone. Yet the sexual hypocrisy on

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Speaker 2: display in the Heidi Fly story also made a big

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Speaker 2: lasting impression on me because it revealed something about society

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Speaker 2: that I really wanted to reject as being true, which

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Speaker 2: is that it's deeply misogynistic on a core level. Other

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Speaker 2: events since the Heidi Flies trial have only reinforced the

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Speaker 2: way in which womanhood, sexuality, and spectacle are weaponized to

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Speaker 2: send messages about women who transgress traditional roles or try

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Speaker 2: to benefit off their own sexuality in any way. And

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Speaker 2: for the most recent example of this, I mean check

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Speaker 2: out the coverage of the Johnny deppen Amber Heard trial.

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Speaker 2: I also appreciate that Heidi Fleiss just is who she is.

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Speaker 2: She's not a perfect role model or spokesperson, and she

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Speaker 2: doesn't ever.

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Speaker 3: Try to be.

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Speaker 2: But she is still alive, still talking and still making jokes.

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Speaker 2: She feels unkillable in some way, and well, it may

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Speaker 2: not be a flawless victory, it still feels like a

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Speaker 2: little bit of hope, a shot against the mainstream narrative

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Speaker 2: that sex workers always die or terrible things always happen

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Speaker 2: to them.

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Speaker 3: She's allegedly still a.

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Speaker 2: Drug user and very open about that. And another thing

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Speaker 2: that making this podcast really made me think deeply about

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Speaker 2: is addiction and the way addiction is treated in American society.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the people in this story struggle with

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Speaker 2: addiction throughout their lives, and it's clearly passed on genetically

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Speaker 2: in families. Without excusing any of the abuse committed by

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Speaker 2: the many, many abusive men in Heidi World. I found

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Speaker 2: myself coming away with a view of these alpha males

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Speaker 2: that was more complex than I expected. Addiction fucking sucks

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Speaker 2: and it ravages people, and I feel bad for anyone

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Speaker 2: who struggles with themselves. I did not go into Heidi

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Speaker 2: World expecting to come out of it like wow, Charlie

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Speaker 2: Sheen sure has a lot of pathos to him. But

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Speaker 2: I also vividly remember during the Tiger Blood era, thinking, man,

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Speaker 2: this guy really needs to not be on camera right now.

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Speaker 2: He is clearly not well and everyone who is letting

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Speaker 2: him be on camera is complicit. Making Heidi World also

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Speaker 2: just got me interrogating why I'm drawn to stories like

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Speaker 2: this and drawn personally to your John peters types like Heidi.

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Speaker 2: I love charismatic talkers and Hollywood alpha males, which made

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Speaker 2: me realize on some level, I must want to be

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Speaker 2: a Hollywood alpha male. Thinking about how to drop people

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Speaker 2: in while you're talking to them and get them absorbed

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Speaker 2: enough to keep listening to you is something I also

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Speaker 2: thought about, obviously, making a ten episode podcast where I'm

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Speaker 2: talking a lot. I hope that resurfacing the Heidifly story

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Speaker 2: with this podcast will inspire people to get involved with

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Speaker 2: sex workers' rights.

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Speaker 3: And the laws around them.

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Speaker 2: Sex work is both more visible and under more threat

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Speaker 2: than ever, and groups like Sex Workers Outreach Project USA

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Speaker 2: are doing great work around these issues. Here in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: the strippers from a club in my hometown of North

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Speaker 2: Hollywood in the San Fernando Valley called Star Garden are

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Speaker 2: striking against work conditions where management allowed them to be

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Speaker 2: groped by customers against their will without any punishment. The

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Speaker 2: striking North Hollywood strippers recently voted to unionize, and you

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Speaker 2: can follow them on Twitter at Stripstrike NoHo and follow

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Speaker 2: their sister organization, Strippers United at Strippers Unite on Twitter

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Speaker 2: and let sex workers themselves tell you what kind of

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Speaker 2: material and online support they actually need.

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Speaker 1: People think I sat back and made money off someone else,

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Speaker 1: and that's not true at all. As far as exploiting women,

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Speaker 1: women are exploited in the world. People are exploited. I

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Speaker 1: was not exploiting them. The girls who met me did

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Speaker 1: very very well. These people sewing downtown that is exploitation.

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Speaker 4: The street hip that is exploitation.

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Speaker 1: I might be a hypocrite, but I always thought that

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Speaker 1: I was trying to do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for joining me your host Molly Lambert on

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Speaker 2: this journey through weird California history from the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 2: up until now, and a story about the importance of

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Speaker 2: decriminalizing and de sigmatizing sex work. And as for Heidi Flies,

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Speaker 2: she has a YouTube channel where she posts videos of

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Speaker 2: her macaws and screeds against the woman that she's mad

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Speaker 2: at about the bitcoin scam. She's on Instagram too, and Heidi,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening, by any chance, call me.

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Speaker 3: Some credits.

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Speaker 2: Heidi World would never have been possible without the incredible

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Speaker 2: production team of Anna, Hostnier, Becca Ramos, and Trisha Mukherjee.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Rory Gegan, who beautifully edited and sound designed

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Speaker 2: and insanely complicated thing. Special thanks to Chris Chang, who

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Speaker 2: shot and edited the Heidi World promo trailer that we

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Speaker 2: made with Annie Hamilton to announce the show. Chris and

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Speaker 2: Annie were the first two people to volunteer their time

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Speaker 2: for this project, and I'm really grateful for them. Chris

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Speaker 2: also wrote the sick ass song.

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Speaker 3: That's in the promo trailer.

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Speaker 2: And thanks to Bethan Macaluso, who worked with me on

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Speaker 2: the scripts and helped shape this into something that anyone

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Speaker 2: else could ever listen to. And now, because it is

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Speaker 2: my show, and because I think it's funny, which is

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Speaker 2: what this entire show is really about, is pleasing me personally,

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Speaker 2: I am going to read the entire cast list like

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Speaker 2: it's movie credits. A huge thank you to everyone who

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Speaker 2: agreed to voice act for me, many of whom had

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Speaker 2: never done it before. And special thanks to Annie Hamilton

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Speaker 2: and Max Silvestry for bringing real acting chops to the

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Speaker 2: leads and making this world grounded so that anything else

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Speaker 2: could make sense. Heidi World an iHeartRadio production. Annie Hamilton

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Speaker 2: as Heidi Flyes, Max Silvestry as Yvonne Nasch, Karen Tonksen

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Speaker 2: as Madame Alex Glenn Lambert as doctor Paul Fleiss, Sarah

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Speaker 2: Sherman as Shana Flices, Audrey Kaufman as Kim Flice, Jack

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Speaker 2: O'Brien as Jesse Flice, Anna Hosnier as Alissa Ashflyis, Jamie

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Speaker 2: Loftus as Victoria Sellers, Mollie Young as Alexandra Dattig, John

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Speaker 2: Daly as John Peters, Miles Clee as Don Simpson, Jason

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Speaker 2: Stewart as Charlie Sheen, Chris Black as Billy Idol, Robert

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Speaker 2: Evans as Robert Evans, Corriina Longworth as Julia Phillips, Dylan

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Speaker 2: Jelula as Angelica Houston, Brody Gupta as Melanie Griffith, Hunter

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Speaker 2: Harris as Rita Wilson, jud Nick Mayard as Sean Hubler,

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Speaker 2: Emily Yoshida as Lee Anne Isabelle Badi as Marilyn Joel

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Speaker 2: Monique as Brandy Maclain, Rachel rabbit White as Julie Connister,

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Speaker 2: Sarah c. Johnson as Simone former Alex Girl, Alex Papadmus

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Speaker 2: as defense attorney Anthony Brooklyer Andrew t as Detective Sammy

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Speaker 2: Lee the Second, Jason Concepcion as Prosecutor Alan Carter Julianne

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Speaker 2: Smolenski as Norma, Jean Alma Dovar, Nom Fry as Sherry Lansing,

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Speaker 2: Miles Gray as James Cohn, Harry Eskin as Bernie Cornfeld,

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Speaker 2: Tess Lynch as Elaine Young, Kate Raft as Michelle Pfeiffer,

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Speaker 2: Joan Ford as Amy Holden Jones, Liza Die as Whoopi Goldberg,

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Speaker 2: Joe Mandy as Frank Sinatra Junior, Lindsay Webber as Judge

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Speaker 2: Judith el Champagne, Eva Anderson as Ava Gabor, Aidan Arrata

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Speaker 2: as Meg Ryan, Liz Fransack as Sharon Stone, Josh Loci

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Speaker 2: as Bob Crow, Felix Biederman as Tom Sizemore, Siri Dall

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Speaker 2: as Sheila Matrowski, Young Chomsky as Elliot Mintz, Andrew Deyong

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Speaker 2: as Andy Sedaris, Dan Longino as Vince Conti, Dean Fleischer

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Speaker 2: Camp as Paul McCarthy, Richard Kelly as Robert Altman, Yossi

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Speaker 2: Solik as Ginger Lynn Allen, Holly Anderson as Cher, John

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Speaker 2: Levinstein as Mayor Richard Reardon, Ryan Johnson as Adrian Lyne,

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Speaker 2: Grace Belden as JJ the King of Beepers Gracie Hadland

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Speaker 2: as Liz Smith, Jack Allison as Anthony Pelicano.

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Speaker 3: Carrie O'Donnell as Mike Flice, Paul F.

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Speaker 2: Tompkins as Dennis Hoff, Bug Maine as Ron Jeremy Leslie

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Speaker 2: Lee the Third as O. J. Simpson, John Daly again

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Speaker 2: as Jay Leno, Carvel Wallace as Nick Broomfield, Ben Lambert

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Speaker 2: as Robert Evans press agent, Eloy Lugo as Billie Idols publicist,

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Speaker 2: and Becker Ramos as Nancy Reyis. And thanks to everyone

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Speaker 2: who came along with us on this long wild ride

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Speaker 2: through Los Angeles. I'm your host, Molly Lambert, signing off

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Speaker 2: one last time from Heidi World.