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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: All right. In today's episode, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: a number of things, but really it's all centered I

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Speaker 2: think around the idea of a concept car, like developing, designing,

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Speaker 2: and then the journey to production. Right, Because, Hannah, you

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Speaker 2: wrote a story about the coolest concept cars of the year,

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Speaker 2: and of course, one of the concept cars that's fascinated

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Speaker 2: even non car people the most over the past four

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Speaker 2: years has been the cyber truck, and that's now actually

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Speaker 2: in production. And I also want to talk about some

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Speaker 2: of the other cool cars that went from concept to

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Speaker 2: production that we're going to be able to buy next year,

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Speaker 2: and some of them you actually have driven. So, for example,

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Speaker 2: the Celestike I think of as one of those moments

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Speaker 2: where a carmaker has really swung for the fences. Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a miss. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's a hit, but it definitely looks different.

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Speaker 2: Let's kick it off with that story. What are the

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Speaker 2: coolest concept cars of twenty twenty three? Are there any

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Speaker 2: that others would have noticed besides like you and me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think people have probably heard

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Speaker 1: of the Porscha Mission X. This is the concept that

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Speaker 1: will probably lead to the nine to eighteen successor. So,

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Speaker 1: of course, then Portia nine eighteen came out ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting for quite some time for a successor

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Speaker 1: to that great sports car supercar if you want so,

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Speaker 1: Portia has finally released the Mission X, which it is saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a concept, of course, but it

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Speaker 1: will probably be the nine eighteen successor. It looks super

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Speaker 1: cool to me. It looks like something that would race,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lama. It looks kind of like a nine

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Speaker 1: to seventeen some of those old race cars. It is electric.

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Speaker 1: They're saying that they're going to put it on the

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Speaker 1: Nurburgring and you know, it'll beat all records in the segment.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot writing on it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it looks pretty cool. I actually

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Speaker 2: prefer the nine to eighteen, but a lot of times,

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Speaker 2: for me, concept cars go a little too far. The

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Speaker 2: thing with this one is I feel like it reaches

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Speaker 2: back to the Karra GT in the way that the

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Speaker 2: cockpit seems like someone shoved it way up front, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not a fan of the Karra GT. I

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Speaker 2: know that a lot of people think it's the most

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Speaker 2: amazing car. It was like the first thing Doug DeMuro

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Speaker 2: did when he sold his website and got three million

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Speaker 2: a Karera GT, like literally the first thing he did.

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Speaker 2: But to me, the nine to eighteen, really it's tough

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Speaker 2: to beat that car.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that car a lot. I actually got

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Speaker 1: to drive that car up the hill at Goodwood, which

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Speaker 1: was crazy. And I say this because if only to

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Speaker 1: prove it's easy to drive. It looks wild, but it

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Speaker 1: honestly is a really easy car to drive. And to

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Speaker 1: your point about the Karra GT, I have not driven

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Speaker 1: one of those, and I hear they're really difficult to

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Speaker 1: Career GT, but the nine eighteen is really I think

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Speaker 1: one for the ages. Another car on this list, Matt,

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Speaker 1: that I think you might like because I know you

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Speaker 1: like BMW is this BMW concept touring Coop. And the

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Speaker 1: reason why I'm bringing it up is because it's not

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Speaker 1: electric and most of the cars on this concept car

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Speaker 1: with a six cylinder engine. BMW says if they make it,

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Speaker 1: and it really looks like the clown Shoe, yes, which

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna have strong feelings about. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you.

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: Made it okay?

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Speaker 2: There, well, love love, love and here. But here's my

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Speaker 2: thing with that. I applaud them for doing this. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why they haven't had the kahonas to release

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Speaker 2: an M three wagon in the US. I guess, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not fair. I guess they probably ran the numbers

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Speaker 2: and figured it just wouldn't sell. But it's like the

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Speaker 2: car every car enthusiast has wanted forever, and the Europeans

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Speaker 2: get one, and okay, but anyway, this is not that.

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Speaker 2: This is more of a bread van like the ferrari Ff,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this will be mean. I'm just looking at the pictures.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the dimensions of it. Yeah, it does

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Speaker 2: look bigger than the Z three M coop, which I

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Speaker 2: three M coop. Yes, is the first one they did

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Speaker 2: that kind of looked like this.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought these cars look really kind of silly,

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Speaker 1: like exactly like a clown show. It's not really my

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Speaker 1: does have precedents, it does have heritage. They drive great,

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Speaker 1: and at least it's a strong point of view. It's

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Speaker 2: The old Ferrari bread van is right and completely.

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Speaker 1: There's a precedent for sure.

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Speaker 2: People like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that. So other cars on this list.

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Speaker 1: Another historic one, well kind of historic is Mercedes made

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Speaker 1: this concept called the Vision one eleven, and this was

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Speaker 1: They let me drive it when You're at Pebble Beach,

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Speaker 1: think it's the only one they let out of the museum.

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Speaker 1: But I really kind of did like the fact that

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Speaker 1: Mercedes is doing a modern take on an old car. Again,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they would actually bring this concept

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Speaker 1: it looks really cool.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. This is one of those concept

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Speaker 2: posted on instag And it's like a three hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: me of that. It also reminds me of my favorite

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Speaker 2: concept car ever was the Audi nannook google it. If

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Speaker 2: you don't know it, do yourself a favor. I think

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Speaker 2: it is the most badass Audi and a lot of

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Speaker 2: other cars have attempted this look. It's kind of reminiscent

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Speaker 2: of when Lamborghini first did a concept hybrid concept. It

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Speaker 2: looks so good that Audi never made anything that looks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can totally see that. And another one I

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Speaker 1: of Audi is their active Sphere concept, which I thought

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Speaker 1: was really cool because it changes from a basically kind

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Speaker 2: Oh and it actually looks like nanuke as well, right,

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Speaker 2: it really does that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so maybe maybe there's like a thread of

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Speaker 1: a really good idea. It seems like, hey, if the

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Speaker 1: cyber truck can be made. They can make this, and

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Speaker 1: I think this looks way better than this cyber truck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. A few times people have tried to make a

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Speaker 2: car that's a pickup truck, right, starting probably with the

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Speaker 2: I think Hyundai Kia they have one as well. And

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Speaker 2: but it's super dangerous. I think this Audi looks awesome.

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Speaker 2: I wish that they would do something like that. And

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Speaker 2: I feel like they have the worst design of the

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Speaker 2: big three German luxury carmakers like Mercedes, Audi and Volkswagen.

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Speaker 2: Audi seems to be the most. They've taken bland to

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Speaker 2: with the exception of the Q eight, which I think

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, when I was in actually in and AUTI,

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Speaker 1: I'm not being bombarded with something that screams whatever brand

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Speaker 2: You're talking about the electric version of the Q eight, right,

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Speaker 2: because I think the gas version of the Q eight

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Speaker 2: also drove, not the S version that you drove, but

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Speaker 2: I drove the base model, and I thought it was understated,

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Speaker 2: it was elegant, and it was just so solid that

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Speaker 2: I thought, well, at least, you know, if they don't

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Speaker 2: have like breathtaking design, at least they have like sincere quality.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I completely agree.

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Speaker 2: It's just the kind of thing that you could imagine,

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Speaker 2: would you could have forever. There's no reason it's not

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Speaker 2: not sure that's that's the case. Listen, there's something about

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Speaker 2: these concept cars. There's a few things that they always

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Speaker 2: have that they never bring to market, right, Like they

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Speaker 2: don't have door handles, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, minor detail. You don't need to get in

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Speaker 2: Isn't that a lot of concept cars don't have door handles.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's true? Or also side mirrors. I feel like

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't have to anymore thanks to Audi. Like

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Speaker 2: if the DOT would allow that, it would.

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Speaker 1: Be sweet, Yes it would. Also I think a lot

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Speaker 1: don't meet federal regulation, true, probably even though they look cool.

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Speaker 1: And Audi does talk a lot about how they have

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Speaker 2: You've got to add the mophi though in the back. Right,

436
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Speaker 2: You've got to you're right, a clip on battery that

437
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Speaker 2: you put in the truck bed in the cyber truck. Yeah.

438
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Speaker 1: You know. They're saying that that is one of the

439
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Speaker 1: reasons for this delay, that it's very difficult to upgrade

440
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Speaker 1: from a four hundred volt to an eight hundred VOWLT infrastructure.

441
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of the reason more fewer people don't

442
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Speaker 1: do it.

443
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but I just know that the

444
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: Escalade is going to use an eight hundred volt architecture

445
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Speaker 2: and they've nailed it on the range thing across the

446
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Speaker 2: brand offering that they have, So the Silverado EV will

447
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Speaker 2: have over four miles of range. The GMC Hummer, that

448
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Speaker 2: thing is a beast. I mean, I don't think I

449
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 2: would like what it says about me if I bought

450
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Speaker 2: one and drove it around. But I would like to

451
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Speaker 2: drive one around.

452
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Speaker 1: I think you need one for sure.

453
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll buy a used one that's been in a

454
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Speaker 2: wreck because it needs to get beat up a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

455
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Speaker 2: I'll wrap it exactly. So I'm looking forward to driving

456
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Speaker 2: the Escalade IQ as well. The other thing I'm wondering

457
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Speaker 2: about is the Revuelto. I can't say it, but it's

458
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Speaker 2: the new Lamborghini to succeed the event A Door. I've

459
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Speaker 2: driven like every single event Door. It's my number one

460
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Speaker 2: favorite car, probably of all time. Awesome. I was looking

461
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Speaker 2: at used ones the other day. They don't drop below

462
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Speaker 2: like seven fifty. But what is the deal with this

463
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Speaker 2: new one? Is it going to be a hybrid? I

464
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Speaker 2: guess it'll have a forty eight volt system? Yes for

465
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Speaker 2: the electric Yeah, yes.

466
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Speaker 1: And I think this is also playing into the Lanza Door,

467
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Speaker 1: which is the electric concept that Lamborghini showed this year.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean they're trying to get their ducks in a

469
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Speaker 1: road to come out with something fully electric. This is

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Speaker 1: the hybrid version.

471
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Speaker 2: It's still going to have a V twelve. Let's yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: not forget like, I don't have a problem with hybrid.

473
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Speaker 2: It's like a nine eighteen, right, if it's got an

474
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Speaker 2: awesome gas engine and then you also put some electric power.

475
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Speaker 2: That's to me the way forward for a sports car super.

476
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Speaker 1: Completely, like we've just discussed many times. Honestly, maybe you're

477
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Speaker 1: kind of convincing me because it is in a way.

478
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Speaker 1: You'll get instant torque, but then you get over a

479
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Speaker 1: thousand horse power, you still have the twelve cylinder engine.

480
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Speaker 1: It's still a Lamborghini. It's obviously going to look and

481
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Speaker 1: drive like a Lamborghini. Personally, I think Lamborghinis are awesome.

482
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Speaker 1: But I, as a woman, can get away without looking

483
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Speaker 1: like a jerk as easily, you know, easier than a

484
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Speaker 1: lot of people.

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Speaker 2: When I drive one, I like to unbutton a few

486
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Speaker 2: you know, let the chest hair out, and I borrow

487
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Speaker 2: a gold chain.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, that's the right look.

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Speaker 2: No, I joke around, but yeah, they say it's for

490
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Speaker 2: like self made people, that's what they always say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. There's one other car that I

492
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Speaker 1: want to talk about that I really want to drive

493
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Speaker 1: next year, and that's that Mustang, the Ford Mustang GTD,

494
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Speaker 1: and that was their three hundred thousand dollars Mustang that

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Speaker 1: they showed earlier this summer. It's going to be like

496
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Speaker 1: eight hundred horse power, and that was the car that

497
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Speaker 1: they're saying it's kind of inspired by the Porsche Racing

498
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Speaker 1: program and by Porsche GT three cars and GT two cars.

499
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Speaker 1: I am not a fan of the styling, but who cares.

500
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Speaker 1: I really want to drive it. I think it could

501
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Speaker 1: be awesome, and I like the fact that Ford's really

502
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Speaker 1: going for it and they're making no bones about the

503
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Speaker 1: fact that, yeah, we're inspired by what Porsche's done and

504
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Speaker 1: we want we want some of that. Yeah, we're going

505
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Speaker 1: to do this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, benchmarking in nine to eleven is something that

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Speaker 2: a lot of carmakers will do. I talked to Jim

508
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Speaker 2: Farley about this in twenty fifteen when they were putting

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Speaker 2: out that Mustang. Yeah, he said they were benchmarking the

510
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven. I was talking to him about the

511
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Speaker 2: Boss three oh two at the time, but they also

512
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Speaker 2: have the GT five hundred. I love Mustangs. I prefer

513
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Speaker 2: the even previous generation to that that when they two thousand,

514
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Speaker 2: I think twelve to twenty fourteen. Boss three O two

515
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Speaker 2: is what I would get but I would be happy

516
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Speaker 2: just driving the dark Horse, to be honest with you. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 2: or just the GTE. And by the way, there's no

518
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Speaker 2: hybrid version of this yet. It'll be cool when they

519
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Speaker 2: have one. With all these cars that still have gas engines,

520
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Speaker 2: I'm glad because it will still be fun. I feel

521
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Speaker 2: like with the electric cars. You know, the cyber truck

522
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Speaker 2: beats the nine to eleven they said when they released

523
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Speaker 2: it zero sixty and on the quarter mile while towing

524
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Speaker 2: a nine to eleven, which is very cool and very funny.

525
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Speaker 2: But is it really gonna be that fun to do

526
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Speaker 2: zero sixty in an electric car? I haven't like driven

527
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Speaker 2: any of the supercars electric cars I know, like the

528
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Speaker 2: lucid Air Sapphire with thirty four horsepower to zero sixty

529
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Speaker 2: and one point eight nine seconds, which is mind boggling,

530
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Speaker 2: But is it really as cool without the vibes and

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Speaker 2: the smells. Because I've been driving a lot of electric,

532
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Speaker 2: lower level electric cars this year that go super fast,

533
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Speaker 2: and it's fun the first, you know, a couple of days,

534
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Speaker 2: but after a week it's like not fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are multiple factors at play. The

536
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Speaker 1: first thing is we know that sound and speed do

537
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Speaker 1: not go hand in hand, because we all know that

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Speaker 1: guy that's doing twenty miles an hour and making a

539
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Speaker 1: ton of noise, you know, driving through the neighborhood. So

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Speaker 1: like these are not necessarily correlated. So it doesn't really

541
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Speaker 1: bother me when people say that we won't have the

542
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Speaker 1: sound of an engine. You know, well, sound and speed

543
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: really don't necessarily correlate. Speed is exciting, and when you're

544
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Speaker 1: being pushed back into your seat by instant acceleration, that

545
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: is really fun and exciting. But you do kind of

546
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: tend to get used to it and then you just

547
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Speaker 1: expect it and it kind of like disappears into the

548
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Speaker 1: background as something normal. It's exciting, but I don't think

549
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Speaker 1: there's a relationship as much. It's more of an appliance

550
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Speaker 1: that works really well. It's not a relationship that you'd

551
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Speaker 1: have with a car that is constantly giving feedback, you know,

552
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Speaker 1: through through a lot of tangible, different sensory experiences.

553
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Speaker 2: It's more of a one sided conversation.

554
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Speaker 1: It's a quick appliance and that's fun. That is fun,

555
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Speaker 1: but it's not as much of a conversation.

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Speaker 2: There are two cars that were to be able to

557
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Speaker 2: get next year. I think where it doesn't matter. One

558
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: because it's not electric at all, the Ineos Grenadier, which

559
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: is basically a defender. And the other one is the

560
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: Volkswagen ID Buzz. It is electric, but no one cares

561
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: if it goes fast. The bus also had very tiny,

562
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: less than two liter motors. That's not what it was for.

563
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: But I'm curious to know your take on it on

564
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Speaker 2: the ID Buzz, Hannah, because it's kind of dorky, right,

565
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: and it's it's not cool, but it could be fun

566
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Speaker 2: and very useful. Right.

567
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Speaker 1: How is that fun to you?

568
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Speaker 2: Well, because you can put more people, you can go camping.

569
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: Like it's more of a tool or like a toy

570
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: to use for other things than necessarily driving the way

571
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: you or I like think about driving. You know, I

572
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: mean an RV isn't fun in the sense that you

573
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Speaker 2: know a nine to eleven is, or even like an

574
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 2: S class, But it's got its purposes. So you're like,

575
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: you can live out of it.

576
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: Yes, but it looks like a minivan.

577
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, that is the problem.

578
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: I can't unsee it's just like a mini, a two

579
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Speaker 1: tone minivan.

580
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 2: Wrong. So I'm at the stage in my life where

581
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Speaker 2: I'm doing anything I can to avoid buying a minivan,

582
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: but I actually need a minivan, but I'm.

583
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Not laed BMW. Listen to that. He needs his wagon

584
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: over here. We need it.

585
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: Well. My idea for BMW is more along the lines

586
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: of a seven series. But okay, So the other one

587
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: is the Ineos Grenadier, which I think is really interesting.

588
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: So a billionaire who I think made the dice in

589
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 2: or he made his fortune that way, and he has

590
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Speaker 2: a chemical company, Jim Ratcliffe, a chemical company called Ineos.

591
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: He loved land Rover Defenders so much that when they

592
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: put it out to pasture, he was like, wait, I'm

593
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: going to make this. I'm going to keep it alive

594
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make it even better. Have you

595
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: heard anything about it? No?

596
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: And I'm literally furiously googling it now and it looks cool.

597
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: And I see that he did something with George Russell,

598
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: so people know about it. I guess I've missed the

599
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: boat on this.

600
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: So there's so many cool little tidbits of news that

601
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: have come out of the past few weeks. He's going

602
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: to produce it in the US. We've known for a while,

603
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: but he finally chose a place I think in the Carolinas.

604
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't know why everyone goes there to build cars.

605
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Sounds like we're going to the Carolina.

606
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: He also has chosen a dealership network, so I think

607
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: they have the initial twenty dealers that they announced in October,

608
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: and you can already can figure it on the on

609
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: the website which is Ineosgrenadier dot com and I was

610
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: doing that. I recommend that you do also if you

611
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: like the Defender, because defenders look awesome and they're so utilitarian,

612
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: but you know they're dogs. This is going to be

613
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: a Defender, a real Defender with BMW Inline six and

614
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: with a ZF eight speed. Oh so ay, that's awesome.

615
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: And then when you're building it, I noticed that you

616
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: can choose not only the color of the you know,

617
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: exterior like the paint, but you can also choose the

618
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: frame color the ladder frame. That's cool, and you can

619
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Speaker 2: kind of like see it sticking out the bottom. It's awesome,

620
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: like cool. I go under on the configurator on the

621
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Speaker 2: under contrast ladder frame and I made a blue Grenadier

622
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: and I put a red ladder frame and then you

623
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Speaker 2: can just see it peeking out the bottom. I like that.

624
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: It's like a detail on a suit or something that

625
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: you just barely like flashing or a lining or a piping.

626
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: Or the buttonholes. Yeah, it's like getting a different color

627
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: buttonhole on your suit.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. I see the vision, and I see they've

629
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Speaker 1: got some locations on the West Coast. I gotta I

630
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: gotta reach out to these guys.

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Speaker 2: Highly recommend, highly recommend checking it out because I won't

632
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: be able to and you probably will so.

633
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we will. We'll share in our research.

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00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: This looks very cool, actually.

635
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: So I guess that does it for this week. Next

636
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: week we have something really cool coming, at least I assume,

637
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: because you're going on a nice trip to drive something amazing.

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00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to drive the nine to eleven st

639
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: up through the Redwoods. Hopefully we'll get some twisties there.

640
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: That'll be really fun and I'll have a full report

641
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: when I get back next week.

642
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: Nice, very much looking forward to that. We will be back,

643
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,800
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644
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645
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