WEBVTT - "MY SOCIAL SKILLS ARE GONE" 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.880 Hello, Hey, who is this? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:03.600 Hi? A'm Fox? 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:05.320 Your Fox? 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.399 Yeah, f o X Fox. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.239 Okay is that really? 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:15.720 In? Is not? I don't really feel comfortable with you know, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.480 maybe one hundred plus people hear my name. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:27.200 It's okay, that's okay. Yeah, why did you pick a fox? 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:30.600 Uh? 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.040 It's been it's actually why. It's actually my h R 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.959 your name, my Steam account and for my microscount I got. Well, 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.680 I talk to you about virtually virtual reality VR. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:42.360 Yeah. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:42.680 Yeah. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.839 It says here that you feel like virtual reality has 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.440 a lot of control over your life. I think this 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.800 is interesting because soon enough, we are all going to 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.360 be living inside of the computer. So you're kind of 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:03.120 like a example of what all of our fates will 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:03.920 eventually be. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:11.360 Yeah, I kind of guess. So basically, I saw a 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.760 lot of your podcasts. You know, I love you, Lyle. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.920 I love all your podcasts. That's amazing way you do. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.360 There was this one podcast this guy was talking about 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.039 for reality and you're trying to hear to try it. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.840 It is worth trying. I will say that VR is 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:31.039 a really open thing to have. It is now it's 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.640 pretty cheap nowadays. He used to be like two thousand 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:39.720 dollars and now it's down to like three hundred dollars. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:46.199 Well so so so fox. So you said that VR 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.960 has a lot of control over your life. Is that 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.760 a has this manifested itself in any ways that are 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.760 I would like to hear about the ways in which 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:01.920 VR has been a positive thing for you and also 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.600 the ways in which it is it has been a 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:04.560 negative thing for you. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.480 Okay, let's start off with negative. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:12.000 Let's start off with negative. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.919 Yeah, mind you, I have a skin condition basically throughout 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:23.040 the exact name. But when I can't sweat, or when 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.000 I do sweat, a sweat can't really come from my body, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.920 so it comes to side of like little pimple sum 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:34.360 ups and VR hands a big, big like sweat focus 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.720 almost because it's a heads on your head. You know. 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.880 It's like wearing a ski mask and like Florida you 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:45.280 know summers. It makes you sweat a lot. VR hands 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.919 also taken control of my wife, you know, at least 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.040 in my mental statement, because I used to be this 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.600 guy that would it's like, talk to anybody. I would 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.480 walk up to them and say, hey, how you doing. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.639 I just ram strangers, you know. Now I'm really antisocial 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:06.360 because I don't know how it's just really active people interesting. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.680 So you used to be better at going up to 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.799 people and starting conversations, and then VR kind of atrophied 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:13.440 that muscle. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.400 Yeah, it's it's kind of like that because inside of 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.760 VR you can be whoever you want to be. You 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.080 can walk up to anybody, say anything that you want to. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.960 It's online. But it just kind of in perspective of 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.440 me talking to people because I used to I still 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.400 am like a really friendly guy. It's just that now 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.360 I've become antisocial. I'm not wis sure how it really happens, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.160 just that I don't like talking to people in the 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:43.720 real world. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.760 Let me ask you this, how often are you out 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:54.280 in situations where you are talking to people in real 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.600 life and socializing. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.320 Works that? That's pretty much it. I don't really talk 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.520 to anybody like my mom, my, stepdad, you know, my sister. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.600 Do you have Do you have a lot of friends 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.600 outside of VR in real life? 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:16.080 Oh? 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.480 No, no, not at all. I have no friends at all. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.120 I be this guy that was really time to hear. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.200 Everybody knew me. I was basically my friendliest guy. I 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.640 would give like kids some popsicles on a hot summer day, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.400 and on the smiles, you know that kind of stuff. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:34.480 Okay, that's very specific. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.760 Now I have I have like no friends at all, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.120 Like I can't listen off anybody. All my friends are 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.360 on line and it's a big. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.760 Okay around when so you say, you're you're you're painting 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.120 this arc of yourself as formerly confident, formerly having a 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:00.960 lot of friends, and then VR kind of changed that 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.080 for you. Around how long ago did you start to 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.039 notice an atrophy in your social skills? 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:14.840 So I played VR back four years ago and around 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.520 not even six months into gamesight VR, I realized that 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.040 I was getting more antisocial. I went to talk to 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.000 me about you and to go outside that much, and 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.000 I thought that was okay, Like and like, imagine you 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.920 got like a new Xbox while playing more often? Right, sure, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:35.480 but DR is just something different. You can interact with people. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.840 It's just like just to go outside, you have to 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:38.720 do you do this? 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.360 Okay, So it's been so so so it's been about 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:47.159 three and a half years around there you are, Okay, 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.080 Now does any part of you, uh does I mean 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:57.640 do you personally do you desire to be more social 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.800 to have more friends? Are you sitting there in and 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:06.080 wishing that you had those social skills that you felt 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.080 like you had a good hand along a few years ago, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.479 or are you feeling rather comfortable where you're at right now. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.359 It's a mix of a bulk. Actually, I feel like 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.880 I'm really comfortable because like when I drink and stuff, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.119 you know, I get like either really aggravated, like really 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.039 you know, I'm just that kind of guy, or like 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.720 really calm. Usually I take an advantage of when I'm calm, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.880 so when I'm being drunk and inside VR, it's a 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.320 virtual world, like nobody can harm me in an kind 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.719 of way. But I want to be more social in 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.119 the world too, because I know I'm gonna need some friends. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.520 I wanna need child true like family. I know that 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.960 I need that, but I just I don't think I can. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.760 You know, why don't you say, well, okay, why don't 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:51.440 you think you can? 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.159 It's just, you know, social anxiety. I guess I just 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.159 kind of feel like I don't right around people anymore. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.479 But I stacked the exact same. I don't know if 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.240 VR has kind of controlled me in a way, but like, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.160 I don't know, just I've met so many friends on here, 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.360 and it's like why do I need real life friends 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.920 when I have already a whole entire group of almost 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.520 family around me inside online? You know? 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:31.160 I mean you bring up something interesting, right about Okay, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:32.840 So you don't have a lot of friends in real life, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.680 but you have all these internet friends, and even though 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:40.560 they are avatars, they are real human beings. You are 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:49.239 exchanging thoughts and ideas and spending quality time with representations 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:54.960 of real people. And it's an interesting thing because there 0:07:55.000 --> 0:08:00.720 is legitimacy to that. Have you ever met anyone that 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.360 you've met in VR in real life? 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.400 I met my ex? 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.640 Yeah, you met so you you had a relationship. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.280 Yes, I actually want to tell you about that too, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:19.520 So VR you can meet anybody rather it be a girl, 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.080 a man, a lover. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.120 A follower. What's the what's the most fucked up avatar 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:27.000 you've seen? By the way? 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:33.000 Oh? Okay? Is there certain words that are explicit to 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:33.880 the Twitch channel? 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.720 I mean, don't say anything racist, but other than that, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.960 go ahead and racist. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.600 I just want to make sure that I can describe this, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.520 So in VR chat you can make any anazar that 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:54.960 you like. So it's this, it's this naked man? Right? Sure, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.439 I didn't have a good good, like a crotch or 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.360 anything like that. It's just like a naked avid artist 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.080 fully peach skin. But when you talk out of it, 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.680 it moves your skin and it makes flesh pop out. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.480 What wait, so it makes like you can like make 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:14.920 your penis talk and ship. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:21.080 Yes, you can. Actually also when you when you talk, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.360 skin stops out of your chest and moves around when 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.120 you talk, around your legs, around your thighs, around the world, 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:29.559 your body. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.559 I'm starting to see why you don't leave the VR world. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:35.559 It's interesting. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.440 Okay, So back to the relationship you met a girl 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.000 on VR. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:49.480 Uh. Yeah, there's actually my burnst long term relationship clearer 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.360 or not. So I realized people would just take advantage 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.319 of me. H yah, yeah, you know, kind of true. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:10:00.200 But we last a year, so really we wanted. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.760 Yeah, in the course in the course of that year, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:08.160 did you guys ever meet in real life? 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:17.360 Around eight months is when we started to you know, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.040 trying me up. We had plans, and then another month 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.520 later we decided to do it. So we met up 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:23.800 inside of VR. I mean we met up in the 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.920 side of the real world and sounded like a double airport. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.800 We got some pretzels from and Annie's and you just 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:32.880 kind of ended up for a while. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.400 Okay, where did you so? So did you guys? Did 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.120 you go to her, did she come to you? Or 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.439 did you meet somewhere in the middle? Uh? 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.079 We I came to her. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.559 Okay. And how did that feel for you meeting somebody 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.600 in real life that you met in VR. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.679 I'll be honest, I really did not feel that comfortable 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:02.839 of it. So, really, mind you have line personas. They 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:07.000 can act like a whole entire different person on the airnet, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.840 a whole time person. They can make more cameras, make 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.000 more aggravated, to make a whole entire, big different difference 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.200 when you act online. It's like mongel for two lobbies almost, 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:22.640 you know. But it just felt weird because her actual 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:30.520 persona herself was very, very very different, interesting, She was 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:36.840 a lot more sense, she had to say, She flirted 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.880 a lot with other guys, and then that next month 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:41.960 I started to try to tell her that one break 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:47.880 off with her. But it's just online personas can be 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.000 really controversial, I think. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.800 Okay, hold on, so, so okay, stick stick with me 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:58.720 here for a second. Okay, give me what is the 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:03.120 difference that you observe between her online persona and how 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.560 she acted in real life towards you. 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:13.520 So online side y are, she'd be really kind, like 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.480 she would hang out with me almost every day. She'd 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.319 talk to me, she tell me how my day was, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.960 Like she was very very kind, like almost like my 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.520 dream girlfriend almost, you know, and she hass all these 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.000 ways and I really liked it, you know, But in 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.679 real life she was a lot more sand here, a 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.160 lot more aggravated, i'd say, at times. And she'd never 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.920 ask anything if they was or any of this or 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.520 any of that. And she would constantly flirt with other 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.479 guys right from me, like strangers. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:50.600 Almost Hmmm, interesting, do you I mean, it's it feels 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.560 a little pointless to speculate about this, but do you 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.000 have any theories as to why she she was acting 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.240 so differently than than she was normally. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.559 I've only seen her like that once, you know, once, 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:11.960 mm hmm. She kinda was just like a lot more 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.360 fantsy towards like well of her other friends. I think 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:16.920 it's just how she acted around me. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.720 Do you do you get a did you get a 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.560 sense from her when you when you met her, did 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.560 you get a sense from her that she also was 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.040 a little bit nervous to meet somebody in real life 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.040 and also kind of spent a lot of time in 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:38.240 VR and had sort of atrophy social skills. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.760 She she told me before that she met a guy 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.720 in her life and basically smashed him like. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:55.840 That said, okay, okay, okay, So Fox, so you had 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.520 this girl friend over VR. You did meet her in 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.440 real life, and then I guess, I I guess when 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.960 you met her in real life and the vibe was different, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.960 that was kind of the beginning of the end for 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:06.800 that relationship. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.360 Yeah. I mean when I met her and several life 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:20.360 I just lost a lot of feelings. Okay, just everything changed, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:21.000 I guess. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.840 So Now what about what about friends? What about friends? 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:27.040 Friends? 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.960 Have you met any friends? Have you met any friends 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.520 in real life from VR? 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.040 Any friends? Hey? Have you played D and D? And 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.640 just a question for those. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.120 Post I haven't, but I know it is, you know 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:41.520 what it is? 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.200 Okay, So me and my friends we've played D and 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.880 B a lot inside of like VR. There's this VR 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.520 world side VR chant It's called D and D Dungeons 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.040 and Dragons, and we play like this made up Rick 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.720 and Morty, D and D session, and we've been doing 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.720 it for about for like by four months now recently 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.600 actually not even I think three weeks ago, we did 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.200 a road trip all across the country. I had really 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:17.320 drive from Florida to Michigan to Alabama to I believe 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.400 not in New York. No, it was New York. So 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.880 we had this a little big idea that we go 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:33.200 to like random like little places like Washington State or 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.400 like see like New York buildings that we've never seen before, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.560 like New York pizza fiverstun. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.600 So you so you went on this road trip with 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.080 with all of you how many of how many of 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.320 you guys were there on this road trip? 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:45.120 Five? 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:47.800 Damn? So all all five of you guys went on 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.200 a big road trip across the country. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.400 Yeah it was. It was really nice. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.720 You know that sounds fun, man, Yeah, it really, it 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:57.360 really was. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.840 I gotta say, you know, get go. I gotta say, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.200 if you ever get into VR, a good tip for 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:10.920 you is treat it like it's a console, like you 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.880 you're playing on your PC, like you're just trying to 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.280 play a game for once. Don't treat it as in 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.960 like a separate life. Because a lot of people when 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.160 the game slight VR. They think it's almost like a 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:28.360 second life for them, and it's kind of sad how 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:34.240 they feel like that. I once felt like VR one 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.920 it's a second life, but I just kind of came 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.520 over that a little factor. 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:44.520 Then, well, you know, you bring you know, this whole 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.120 call is is really bringing up an interesting thing. And 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:54.440 it's like this point of contention of you know, you're 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.000 you're telling me that you've been in VR for three 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.600 and a half years and that it's really like fucked 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.600 with yourself social skills, and you're telling me that you 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.040 can't name a single friend that you have outside of VR. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.919 But yet you just told me about like a really cool, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.240 real life life experience of you hanging out with five 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.040 real human beings traveling across the world. I mean, that's 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.960 a real legitimate social life experience that you had as 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.600 a result of being in this virtual world. And it's 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:31.600 a really interesting thing to think about, Like are virtual friends, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:39.560 internet friends, you know, a legitimate healthy form of social 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:44.080 interaction And I don't, I don't know, because you're you're 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:48.840 bringing up all these different like sort of of of 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.800 pros and cons in either direction, and maybe there's some 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:59.439 kind of balance to be struck here, you know, like, like, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.600 it's so great to me that you have these friends 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.600 that you can go out and do real life stuff with, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.520 like this road trip. But at the same time you 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.840 should try to balance that out with with finding friends 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.359 in your immediate vicinity and making sure that when you 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:19.320 do go out into the world you're adequately prepared to 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:20.760 speak with other people. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:27.240 Yeah, I don't know, there there is definitely a balance 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.200 to be made, you know. VR is just about like 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:35.080 one game too, like mind you I love military similar 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.760 Its like Milsen. It's a roleplay of Milton. It's like, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.520 uh if people are really getting called onward. It's a 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:49.040 game that lets you experience almost like drill tactics. For example, 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.840 I'm an owner of a Milson serio. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.879 Well well so, well so Fox. You know, I listened 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:59.000 the specific games and whatnot is is uh you know, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.640 I mean I'm talking, but there's just the broader thing 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.240 here of your internet friends versus your real life friends. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.200 But so listen, I mean, before we get off here, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.480 I want to I want to talk to you about 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.600 your own personal life and your kind of future with this. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.240 Let me ask you something. Okay, you've had some great experiences, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.560 you know. I mean, even if the girlfriend thing didn't 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.360 work out quite the way you wanted it to, it's 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.080 like it was a relationship. It was a thing that 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.280 happened to you in your life. You know, you went 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.040 on this road trip. You're having real human life experiences 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.320 in this interesting hybrid way with VR and real life, 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.679 and so moving forward for you, do you see yourself 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:44.040 being able to put down the headset and go and 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:50.320 really make a concentrated effort to make friends outside of VR. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:02.199 I I'm not really sure. I wants almost all of 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:07.200 my terroistics that people love about him from in real life. 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:12.800 Like before I got into VR, VR itself online itself 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.399 changes here how I've acted recently and how I do 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.280 things and how I do this and now I do that, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:23.399 it's all changed, So it might not I might not 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:30.879 be able to like I'm struck, You're rick? 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.320 Can I ask you this? Have you ever been to 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.000 real therapy to talk about this? 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.480 I have not, But I think that I really don't, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.640 you know, I think that I can easily pass through 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.400 through life and I'll eventually get over it. It's social anxiety, 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.679 I know it, So I will eventually get over. 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.680 It, you believe so, so looking forward, you're optimistic about 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.399 your ability to get over your social anxiety. 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.040 Yes, yes, I am. I'm pretty sure that if I 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.520 I meet some more friends from online hopefully here soon, 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.240 and maybe we I just meet all my friends or 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.480 some of my friends in real life again, I think 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.720 that I could definitely get more used to talking to 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.000 people in real life. And I just moving on conviction, right, 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:18.680 I think so too. 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:20.680 I think that the more efforts you can make to 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.560 take these people that you've been meeting in VR and 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.240 and make plans to you know, go to them or 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.120 have them come to you and meet them in real 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:34.520 life and slowly through that kind of transition from your 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.920 virtual world into the real world is a good way 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.800 for you to get over that that anxiety. And I'm 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:42.560 stoked to hear that you're optimistic about that. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.760 Yeah, I mean, I have hope. You know. I love 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.480 my friends. I trem like family. I will do anything 0:21:55.640 --> 0:22:00.640 to meet them, to talk to them of the life. 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.160 I want to see those things. I want to talk 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.160 to them. That's some Adazar, that's kind of like what 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:06.960 I want to do. I want to meet my friends 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.040 in the real world, all right, I'll let. 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:10.280 You go, man, I'll talk to you soon. Thank you 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.800 very much for calling, and genuinely very excited to hear 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.280 that you see an upward trajectory for yourself. 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.600 All Right, get go, all right, I love what you're doing. Man, 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.680 continue with Okay, I will be appreciated. 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:30.399 Take care by the all right, that was a really 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.760 really interesting modern call. 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:35.199 You know. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.320 I was just I went to twitch Con recently and 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.080 I met a lot of people there who were meeting 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.560 their internet friends in real life for the first time. 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.560 And I don't know, I don't have like opinions about this. 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.600 I'm just kind of going through it. It's like there's 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.520 all this pushback of, oh, kids aren't socializing enough these 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.399 days because they're out in v or playing Call of 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.159 Duty or doing these things. And it's a legitimate question 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.280 as to whether or not, you know, it's a legitimate 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:13.199 question as to how much of those interactions are legitimate, 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:19.840 healthy human social interactions. And I don't know. And Fox 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:27.800 was an interesting case study of this because he is 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:35.720 he is meeting real people and having real interactions through VR, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.440 and they are leading to human interactions that have nothing 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.560 to do with VR, like this road trip, like meeting 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:49.760 up with that girl and listen, would it be better 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:55.240 and cleaner perhaps if he were able to have nothing 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.520 to do with the internet, have nothing to do with VR, 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.520 and have a healthy social life. Maybe, But I mean 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.600 that's not where we're at, even societally, That's not where 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.399 we're at. I mean, this is just gonna keep being 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:12.160 a thing that people get more and more into. And Yeah, 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.920 it was just interesting to talk to Fox in that 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:19.560 first person perspective of how he's he's navigating that, and 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:23.439 like I said, I'm glad to hear that. It's it 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.679 seems as though he's trying to make more of an 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.520 effort to transition these online relationships into real life relationships 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.920 and that that maybe leads to him being a little 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:37.720 bit more confident in the future in uh going out 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:43.000 and forming these relationships in real life without VR. Anyway, 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:44.200 let's take another call. 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:47.160 Oh, Lyle, how are we doing? 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.960