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Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, who is this?

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Speaker 2: Hi? A'm Fox?

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Speaker 1: Your Fox?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, f o X Fox.

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Speaker 1: Okay is that really?

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Speaker 2: In? Is not? I don't really feel comfortable with you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe one hundred plus people hear my name.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, that's okay. Yeah, why did you pick a fox?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: It's been it's actually why. It's actually my h R

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Speaker 2: your name, my Steam account and for my microscount I got. Well,

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Speaker 2: I talk to you about virtually virtual reality VR.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It says here that you feel like virtual reality has

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Speaker 1: a lot of control over your life. I think this

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Speaker 1: is interesting because soon enough, we are all going to

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Speaker 1: be living inside of the computer. So you're kind of

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Speaker 1: like a example of what all of our fates will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of guess. So basically, I saw a

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Speaker 2: lot of your podcasts. You know, I love you, Lyle.

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Speaker 2: I love all your podcasts. That's amazing way you do.

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Speaker 2: There was this one podcast this guy was talking about

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Speaker 2: for reality and you're trying to hear to try it.

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Speaker 2: It is worth trying. I will say that VR is

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Speaker 2: a really open thing to have. It is now it's

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Speaker 2: pretty cheap nowadays. He used to be like two thousand

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Speaker 1: Well so so so fox. So you said that VR

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Speaker 1: has a lot of control over your life. Is that

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Speaker 1: a has this manifested itself in any ways that are

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Speaker 1: I would like to hear about the ways in which

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Speaker 1: VR has been a positive thing for you and also

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Speaker 1: the ways in which it is it has been a

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Speaker 1: negative thing for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's start off with negative.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off with negative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mind you, I have a skin condition basically throughout

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Speaker 2: the exact name. But when I can't sweat, or when

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Speaker 2: I do sweat, a sweat can't really come from my body,

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Speaker 2: It's like wearing a ski mask and like Florida you

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Speaker 2: also taken control of my wife, you know, at least

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Speaker 2: in my mental statement, because I used to be this

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Speaker 2: guy that would it's like, talk to anybody. I would

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Speaker 2: I just ram strangers, you know. Now I'm really antisocial

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Speaker 2: because I don't know how it's just really active people interesting.

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Speaker 1: So you used to be better at going up to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of like that because inside of

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Speaker 2: VR you can be whoever you want to be. You

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Speaker 2: can walk up to anybody, say anything that you want to.

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Speaker 2: It's online. But it just kind of in perspective of

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, how often are you out

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Speaker 2: Works that? That's pretty much it. I don't really talk

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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. I have no friends at all.

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Speaker 2: I be this guy that was really time to hear.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knew me. I was basically my friendliest guy. I

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Speaker 2: and on the smiles, you know that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Now I have I have like no friends at all,

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Speaker 1: Okay around when so you say, you're you're you're painting

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Speaker 1: this arc of yourself as formerly confident, formerly having a

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Speaker 2: So I played VR back four years ago and around

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Speaker 2: got like a new Xbox while playing more often? Right, sure,

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Speaker 2: but DR is just something different. You can interact with people.

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Speaker 2: It's just like just to go outside, you have to

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's been so so so it's been about

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Speaker 1: three and a half years around there you are, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now does any part of you, uh does I mean

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Speaker 1: do you personally do you desire to be more social

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Speaker 2: It's a mix of a bulk. Actually, I feel like

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Speaker 2: you know, I get like either really aggravated, like really

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm just that kind of guy, or like

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Speaker 2: I wanna need child true like family. I know that

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Speaker 2: I need that, but I just I don't think I can.

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Speaker 1: You know, why don't you say, well, okay, why don't

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Speaker 2: It's just, you know, social anxiety. I guess I just

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Speaker 2: But I stacked the exact same. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just I've met so many friends on here,

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Speaker 2: and it's like why do I need real life friends

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Speaker 1: I mean you bring up something interesting, right about Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you don't have a lot of friends in real life,

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Speaker 2: I met my ex?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you met so you you had a relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I actually want to tell you about that too,

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Speaker 2: So VR you can meet anybody rather it be a girl,

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? Is there certain words that are explicit to

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't say anything racist, but other than that,

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Speaker 2: I just want to make sure that I can describe this,

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Speaker 2: So in VR chat you can make any anazar that

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Speaker 1: What wait, so it makes like you can like make

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can. Actually also when you when you talk,

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to see why you don't leave the VR world.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So back to the relationship you met a girl

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, there's actually my burnst long term relationship clearer

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Speaker 1: Okay, where did you so? So did you guys? Did

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Speaker 2: We I came to her.

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Speaker 2: So online side y are, she'd be really kind, like

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Speaker 2: Like she was very very kind, like almost like my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, there there is definitely a balance

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Speaker 1: Well well so, well so Fox. You know, I listened

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Okay, you've had some great experiences,

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you this? Have you ever been to

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Speaker 2: I have not, But I think that I really don't,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that I can easily pass through

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I am. I'm pretty sure that if I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I have hope. You know. I love

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Speaker 1: You go, man, I'll talk to you soon. Thank you

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Speaker 2: All Right, get go, all right, I love what you're doing. Man,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't have like opinions about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Lyle, how are we doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Is this is this Scottie?

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Speaker 5: Is this Scotti?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Get go coffee for Halloween?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? How much was yours?

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Speaker 5: It was like seventy five I think plus shipping.

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Speaker 1: Offerously, she was expensive. Dude, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: What I know I was sitting in my car and

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Speaker 5: So I called to talk about something that happened to me.

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Speaker 5: And later that night, after came back to gave me

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Speaker 5: I don't anyone else might have noticed. I guess, like

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Speaker 1: It down for a second. Here, your grandfather accidentally videoed

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he knows it or not.

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Speaker 5: I guess he's video in the family at dinner.

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00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: You were having on the beach.

443
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 4: It was in the water, it was.

444
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 5: So you can see the motions, but you can't see everything. Obviously.

445
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: Is it during the day?

446
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 5: Sun was going down, but it was a little live outside.

447
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: And we were just having sex with this girl in

448
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. Apparently it wasn't empty. Apparently

449
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: your grandfather was there.

450
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: The restaurant has seen a lot further at the time.

451
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's a restaurant and then hold on, I'm

452
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: trying to get the bistics of this down. Okay, So

453
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: there's a restaurant overlooking the beach, and it overlooks the

454
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: part of the beach that you are in with this

455
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: girl in the water having sex, and your grandfather is

456
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: just video things going on in the restaurant, and then

457
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: you are somehow in the background of your grandfather's Now wait,

458
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: he zoomed, how do you Okay, how do you accidentally

459
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: zoom in on you having sex? How is that an accident?

460
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: He didn't know I was doing it.

461
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 5: He didn't know what was going on.

462
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: So he was just zooming in on the beach.

463
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: Me in the water with this girl. And does this makes.

464
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: Sense to you night lately?

465
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: See what does this make sense to you?

466
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

467
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 5: Because I was there, it makes sense to me. I've

468
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 5: seen the video, Like just imagine that was at the

469
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: table and he's like, hey.

470
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: I mean this is the family vacation.

471
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: It's like Scott say, to hang out with this girl

472
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 5: and he zooms in and zooms out.

473
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

474
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: So so basically what's happening is your grandfather was taking

475
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: some home videos and then you happened to be in

476
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the background, unbeknownst to your grandfather, having sex in the water.

477
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 5: Yes, but it must have been noticely enough for my

478
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 5: uncle to realize because I knew. But my uncle came

479
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 5: up to me and was like, hey, I hope you

480
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 5: know that, Like this is what happened, and he has it.

481
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 5: But the thing is is what I call it. It's

482
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: like I didn't really care at the time.

483
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I thought it's a funny to where I told my friends.

484
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: But like the older I get, you know, the boy,

485
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 5: You're like, god, damn indeed.

486
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: I don't why if he knows?

487
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Well, okay, why you say god damn it?

488
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: Dude?

489
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: You say that you didn't care at the time, but

490
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: as you get older, it's starting to weigh on you.

491
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: Why is it start older?

492
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: You just respect your grandparents more than what you get,

493
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: you know, and you don't love to see ship like that.

494
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 5: It was an awful decision for sure, but also didn't

495
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 5: know they were so close, and I was heavily appreciated.

496
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So do you so your grandfather doesn't know that

497
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: he's in possession of a video of you having sex.

498
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: I don't know. If he doesn't know, he could very

499
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 5: well know. And if he knows, my grandma knows. God,

500
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: that's even worth all to have.

501
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: Have you ever talked to him about it?

502
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: No, not a conversation immigrants that usually kind of have.

503
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So is this a thing that weighs heavy on

504
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: your mind?

505
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

506
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely, late in bed and I had thought

507
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 5: about this a long time.

508
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Okay, do you feel do you feel as though do

509
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: you feel as though addressing it and talking to your

510
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: grandfather would uh would get rid of that?

511
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: If he does?

512
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 5: What if he doesn't know though?

513
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Well? Okay, the weighing heavy, let's let's get into this.

514
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: You say it weighs heavy on your mind?

515
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: Right?

516
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Does it? Actually? Yes?

517
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 6: No?

518
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, why does it? Why do you hate it?

519
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: Why is it way heavy on your mind?

520
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: It's just you know, you look back at stuff you

521
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 5: definitely should have done differently, and it's definitely probably top.

522
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: Three on my list right now.

523
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know like they have.

524
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like they possibly have acted

525
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 5: differently towards me the beast couple of years ago.

526
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you think they've seen it? Do you think

527
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: they've seen it? And you don't want to bring it

528
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: up to them because if they haven't seen it, you

529
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: bring it up, then.

530
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 5: They know if I are their poor decisions, So it

531
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: could be other things has kind of changed our relationship,

532
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 5: I guess some, but that's the one that's like, what.

533
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: The fuck, Scotty, you gotta eat this all right?

534
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: I'd eat it you just gotta eat it.

535
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: You just gotta like. Look, I don't know if you

536
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not you should go and

537
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: tell him, but don't, don't let What do you.

538
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 5: Think I should do?

539
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I think you should do?

540
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 5: You think I should?

541
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

542
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I think you should?

543
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: Interesting?

544
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 5: Oh all right, well maybe I will.

545
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Is that footage you We don't know how many generations

546
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: that footage is gonna be passed down through.

547
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't even remember the footage at this point.

548
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: It's in like five years. I can't remember what it

549
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: looks like. I'm looked back at it. I'm like, I

550
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: wish I remember.

551
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: Years ago. Scotty has happened five years ago. You gotta

552
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: deal with you gotta deal with this, Scott. You gotta

553
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: eat this all right?

554
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: All right?

555
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Lou.

556
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: Is there anything else? Who I say to the people

557
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?

558
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Yea, all was on Friday night? Get wild for me,

559
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: have a.

560
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Good night, Scotty man. Now I kind of want to

561
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: go in a family vacation with Scotty's family. It sounds

562
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: like it's fun. Hi, Hi, who is this?

563
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: I love?

564
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: So?

565
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: I love?

566
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

567
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Uh, what's going on with you today?

568
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: There's plenty, but I told the call screener, I, okay,

569
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: I have a weird name. I'm Eastern European and I

570
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: grew up for Eastern European. Right that being said, I

571
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: have a lot of friends who are the same way

572
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: as me, one being my best friend, who I've known

573
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: since I was two, and like within the last two years,

574
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: he's told me that he's in love with me and

575
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: that we're going to get married. But I strongly believe

576
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: he's gay, and I've heard stories, but he doesn't know

577
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: that I know any of that, and I'm wondering if

578
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: I should tell him.

579
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have this childhood friend who claims they're

580
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: in love with you, but you believe they are gay.

581
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: Yep, And oh, okay. Me personally, when I I'm just

582
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: an anxious human being. When I hear people like come

583
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: up to me and tell me, hey, I heard this

584
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: about you, I get super embarrassed, even if it's not true,

585
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: and I feel like being gay, there's nothing to be

586
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: embarrassed about whatsoever. If he's gay, more power to him.

587
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: He should just tell me so I can be there welcome.

588
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so hold on. So but before we get

589
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: into him, tell me about you. Do you have romantic

590
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: feelings for this guy? No.

591
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: I look at him and okay, he's like conventionally attractive.

592
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: I have a boyfriend and I got a boyfriend in

593
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: the last three years, and they don't get along. Because

594
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: I've told my boyfriend how he's told me he likes me. Obviously,

595
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: I have to tell my boyfriend that. Sure, But I

596
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: grew up with him, like, I love him so much

597
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: like a brother, and I don't with my friends, my friends.

598
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: He's tried to make me jealous by dating myself.

599
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: So hold on, you said Ila, You said yes, Isla.

600
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: So here's kind of like just off the bat is, Like,

601
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think the reason I asked you is

602
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: if you like him back, because that's the only thing

603
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: that I think matters here. You know, you speculating about

604
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: your friend's sexuality. I think you're doing it from a

605
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: nice place. Well, hold on, give you the second. I

606
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: think it's okay, it's okay. I think you're doing it

607
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: from a nice place. I think you're coming at it

608
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: from like I want him to tell me so that

609
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: I can be there for him. And you know, I think,

610
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: like I said, you're doing it from a kind place.

611
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: But you have to understand, you know, whether whether or

612
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: not like this guy's sexuality in terms of the question

613
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: of him liking you is irrelevant. The only thing that's

614
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: relevant is whether or not you like him back, and

615
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: you don't. And so at this point with your friend,

616
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: whatever you have heard, whatever you are speculating, is irrelevant

617
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: because if your friend wants to come out to you

618
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: and come out to the way, he'll do it on

619
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: his own time, and you know, you can let him know.

620
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: You can let him you can, and you can let

621
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: him know however you want to, in whatever subtle way,

622
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying hey, I heard this, and just say

623
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, if this, then this, but just just let

624
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: him know that you were supportive friend. In general.

625
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: I try to bring it up and he like, but

626
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: I'm but I try to be extremely vague, so it's

627
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: like really bad the way that I'm like, I'm just

628
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: trying to get it out of him, and we're both

629
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: super accepting people. But I don't think he'll ever admit

630
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: it to like anyone, let alone himself. And that's love.

631
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: You don't you don't need to feel bad, you don't

632
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: need to keep speculating about his sexuality. You don't, I

633
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: don't even don't think about it, don't worry about it.

634
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: It's it's all you should be doing.

635
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about with myself and how

636
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: I feel.

637
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: And well there's that, but I listen, just just just

638
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: be a good friend to this person. Don't keep thinking

639
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: about their sexuality. Don't try to like get them to

640
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: admit anything to you. They'll they'll do it on their

641
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: own time.

642
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like I'm being a bad

643
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: friend to him because I'm keeping the secret from him. Like, hey,

644
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: people are saying that, Like we grew up in a

645
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: really small town and we still live here. Like if

646
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: you go to a bar, you're going to be at

647
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: the bar with every person you went to high school,

648
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: middle school with and their parents pretty much, right, And

649
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: all these people know this about him, and like they've

650
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: told me, and I feel like he's the only person

651
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: that doesn't know people are saying this about him.

652
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so what I tell him you? Okay, so you're

653
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: trying to decide whether or not you should report the

654
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: rumors that other people yeah.

655
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: To him because I've been holding it in for like

656
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: almost two years now, Okay, can I tell you what

657
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: the rumor is. Sure, and there's a reason why I

658
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: think it's true. So he's like a gym guy, right,

659
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: he's a bodybuilder. He's like strong, and apparently he's been

660
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: hooking up with the bartender who's also like a dream

661
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: a dym rat from those two bars in my town,

662
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: from one of the local bars, he's been hooking up

663
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: with him. And Christmas Day, me and him, we went

664
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: to his family's like Christmas like breakfast, and then after

665
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: he was like, Hey, I'm gonna go get that can

666
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: I say weed of marijuana from his buddy? And it

667
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: was and he brought me with him, but it was

668
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: the most weird interaction and it was him in the

669
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: sky and he like gave him like freed and.

670
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: Like, okay, give me a second. I think we're getting.

671
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: No.

672
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: No, you're you're you're totally fine. I'm glad that we're

673
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: talking about this, but just give me a second here,

674
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: because I think you're talking about these You're I'm the

675
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: one who said sure, so I'll take the blame for

676
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: you explaining that, but I'm thinking about it.

677
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm a talker, so it's unnervous and tell me to

678
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: shut up.

679
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay, Okay. So here's the thing. I think

680
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: that again. You know, you didn't know you're coming at

681
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: everything with good intentions. You know, you're like, should I

682
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: tell my friend because hold on, yes, okay, it's okay,

683
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: it's okay, okay, you're coming at everything with good intentions.

684
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, Okay, people are talking shit about

685
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: my friend. It is my duty as a friend to

686
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: report when they're talking shit. And on that note, as

687
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: to whether or not it's your duty to report any

688
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: shit talk or rumors going on about your friend, I

689
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm thinking about it. You're making me think

690
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: about it right now, because on one hand, I really

691
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: do believe that ignorance is bliss and your friend might

692
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: just be completely better off not even knowing or thinking

693
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: about these rumors, are knowing that they exist because what

694
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: other people are saying about this guy is irrelevant to

695
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: him and his experience of life. And then on the

696
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: other hand, it's like, Okay, maybe you feel like it's

697
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: your duty to report these things and not just be

698
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: ignorant about it. I don't know. I don't really have

699
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: any answer to that. I think it's an interesting thing

700
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to kind of think about. But just listen. Whatever you

701
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: do isila. Don't try to milk this or like speculate

702
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: about your friend. Don't join into the rumors. Don't tell

703
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: anybody else the rumors. Just try to ignore.

704
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: Them anyone talk about him.

705
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: Be in your head thinking about always my friend hooking

706
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: up with this part. Just be a friend to this

707
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: guy and I And if I were you, I would

708
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: I think you should just stop speculating on his sexuality

709
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: and accept friend that he'll come out when he is

710
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: ready to do so, if he is ready to do so.

711
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: But the friend thing, I'm torn with the friend thing

712
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: as well because he says that he likes me and

713
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: he feels a certain way, but I feel like he's

714
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: kind of rude in the way that he goes about it.

715
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: Like I feel like if I don't like him and

716
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: I tell him I'm not interested, then he like doesn't

717
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: talk to me for how over long? So it's like,

718
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: am I really doing a favor for a friend by

719
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: not telling him, because like he was really my friend?

720
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: This is this you just you just brought up a

721
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: completely separate issue from anything that we've talked about.

722
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm gonna say, I call you.

723
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: I call you every time you're on stream. I get

724
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: the notification. I call within like the first five minutes,

725
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: and I never thought i'd get this far.

726
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: No, it's it's okay, it's okay. Just listen to me

727
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: for a second. Okay, I'm gonna do. This is the

728
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: last thing I'm gonna say to you. You're coming You're

729
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: coming in here with like. Again. I think good intentions.

730
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: You want to be a good friend. That's where we're

731
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: operating from. I think it's a good place to operate from.

732
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: But you're you're coming in here with like. Oh, I

733
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: think there he might be this, and I think possibly this,

734
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: and maybe this and maybe this. If you what you

735
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: just told me about how you think he's being rude

736
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: about it, and you want to preserve the friendship, Okay,

737
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: tell that to him. Tell that to him. Okay, And

738
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: if he says to you and if and listen, if

739
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: he says to you, listen, I like you too much.

740
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: And because I like you, I can't just be friends

741
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: with you, and so I have to live with the

742
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: amount of contact I have with you. That's that's his

743
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: boundary and you should accept that too. Okay, So just.

744
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: Way of thinking, and I feel like he's a little toxic,

745
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's the Eastern European in him.

746
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: But I feel like he wouldn't go that way, like

747
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: you wouldn't say that.

748
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: What do you think he would? Well? Okay, dude, well, dude, dude.

749
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: Let you don't know what he would say unless if

750
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: you fucking tell them. So sitting here wondering whether what

751
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: he would say is under.

752
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: The conversation with him all the time. And I've had

753
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: it with like my friends, all of our friends that

754
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: we grew up together, like we can, like our families

755
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: came to this country, like to America at the same time,

756
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: so we all grew up together and like kind of

757
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: similarly at home, Like I don't know, at school, I

758
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: always felt like you had one foot in one door

759
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: and then one out.

760
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: The other when you LISTENLA, is there anything else you

761
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: want to say to the people of the computer before

762
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: we go?

763
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: Can I say something to you?

764
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: What's up?

765
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: I've called before to tell you this, but I found

766
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: your podcast and I you have me thinking about like

767
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: life situations in such a healthy, like way. Good and

768
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: you literally seriously like the way that you like like

769
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: process things that people say to you, and like the

770
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: way you go about it is like so healthy and

771
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: so cool, and I really appreciate it. It has me thinking

772
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: about my life and like the way I respond to

773
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: things in such a better way.

774
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to I'm going to try to

775
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: take my own Thank you. I appreciate that very much.

776
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to start all over the place I thought.

777
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: No, it's okay, I don't worry. But like I said,

778
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: you're coming at it with good intentions, and I appreciate that.

779
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to take my own advice and uh,

780
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: live live live better according to how I tell other

781
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: people to live in my personal life.

782
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like it's so easy to like say,

783
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: like give people advice, but taking it at yourself it's

784
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: the hardest start. But yeah, you're amazing. I look at

785
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: things so much better now because of you, and I Yeah,

786
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: I really wish I got to see you in Boston,

787
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: but I.

788
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Hope to see you next year in Boston, And good

789
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: luck with your friends, and I will talk to you.

790
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: It was so good talking to you. Finally, have a

791
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: rest of the day of your day.

792
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 4: Bye.

793
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: You know it's funny it's funny. It's funny, she said

794
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And then I said, you know, I'm

795
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to do it more in my personal life because

796
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: I think what I told her of Like, I mean

797
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: that interaction we had where I was like, I told her, Okay,

798
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: why don't you tell him this? And she said, but

799
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: if I tell him this, he's going to say this.

800
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: And then I said, well, you don't know what he's

801
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: going to say unless if you actually go and tell him.

802
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: That's something I think I should do more in my

803
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: personal life. You know, that was an easy thing for

804
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: me to tell someone because having tough conversation. It's so

805
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: easy to tell somebody to go run and have a

806
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: tough conversation. But I think it's harder, to harder to

807
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: actually do it. So I'll think about that. I'm always

808
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: try I'm trying to check myself more often. I'm like,

809
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: i'd go on a podcast and talk to other people

810
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: about their lives. I hope I practice things that I

811
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: tell others, or it could just be a giant gecko

812
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: hypocrite guy. Anyway, Thank you Isla for did I say

813
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: that right? Isla? Thank you for talking to a get

814
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: go on the phone. He'sla. Hello, Hello, what's new with you?

815
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: Nothing much? I saw you out in Denver on Wednesday.

816
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: Your live shows are super good.

817
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, no, thanks for coming to the Denver

818
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: show Man. That was That was fine. That was crazy.

819
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 1: I felt really good about that one.

820
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's such a fun show.

821
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: What's going on with you? My friend? What is it

822
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: that you called in to talk about?

823
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: I wanted to call you about something called monkey time.

824
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 4: It's been happening to me since middle school.

825
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it says here. That says here you wanted to

826
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: talk about monkey time. And I saw that and I

827
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is that? And I figured

828
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: the only way to answer that question is to ask you.

829
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: So monkey Time has happened since middle school. So basically

830
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: what happens is I'd be hanging out with my friends,

831
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: like four guys, and at some point in the night

832
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: they'd see monkey time and they would pin me to

833
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: the ground and tickle me until I screamed like a monkey.

834
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: Okay, now when did this start happening?

835
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: So this started happening I would say sixth seventh grade.

836
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: And how long has it been going on for.

837
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: The last monkey time? Maybe a year ago? But I've

838
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 4: since moved from my hometown, so the monkey times aren't

839
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 4: as frequent.

840
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: And how old are you know?

841
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 4: I am twenty three?

842
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so you were having monkey time from seventh grade

843
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: up until you were twenty two years old?

844
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

845
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: And is monkey time always directed towards you? Or is

846
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: there a rotating sort of victim of the monkey time?

847
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 4: That's the thing, Ryle, It has always just been me.

848
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: There is no other person that takes a monkey time.

849
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: Interesting. Why do you think your friends have designated you

850
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: as the consistent monkey time taker?

851
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: You know?

852
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 4: I think it's because I am extremely ticklish and I'm

853
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: not quite as strong as them, so I'm very easy

854
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 4: to overpower and tickle.

855
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, how do you feel about being the constant

856
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: subject of monkey time?

857
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: Powerless?

858
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: Interesting? Uh? Do you wish that your friends would stop

859
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: doing monkey time on you?

860
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes?

861
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 4: I do, but it's kind of nice to know that

862
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: it's my thing. I'm special in my own way.

863
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: Interesting. So, so you feel does a small part of

864
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: you feel a sense of pride in being the constant

865
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: subject of the monkey time?

866
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: Yes? And uh, some of my friends are actually up

867
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: in town right now, and I'm worried it might happen.

868
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: They're downstairs, but if you want, you can talk to

869
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: one of them about monkey time?

870
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah? Who can I talk to? Who invented

871
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: the monkey time? Can I can I talk to them?

872
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 4: I think the maker is in a different state.

873
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: But okay, sure, I'll talk to one of your friends.

874
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 4: I'll give you to a big instigator. Great, they're both

875
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: really scared to pick one of them. I'm putting Brock on.

876
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not doing well.

877
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Hey, Brock, what's going on?

878
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: Nothing much? How's it going?

879
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: So, Brock? I heard about monkey Time? Oh yeah yeah,

880
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: Well in your words, how would you how would you

881
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: describe monkey time?

882
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 7: You know, it sort of just started as a friendly thing.

883
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 7: We Teith was really really good at me, Like when

884
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 7: we tiggled him, he sound exactly like a monkey. So

885
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 7: it started off as that and that'd be a joke.

886
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 7: We just like passed by him in the hallways, give

887
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 7: him little touch on the side, and he screamed like

888
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 7: a monkey, and we all thought it was hilarious.

889
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: So you say it started friendly, did it then become hostile?

890
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: No? No, he's always been friendly.

891
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: Okay, actually, kay, what's your friend's name again?

892
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: Keith?

893
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: Okay, can talk to Keith real quick.

894
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Let me pass the phone back.

895
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: Hey, Keith, can I hear this monkey noise? Oh?

896
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 4: I can try and recreate it?

897
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: Like, how would you feel about doing a monkey time

898
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: right now.

899
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 2: On the phone?

900
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 4: All right, I'll be consenting to it, so it'll be

901
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: better than usual.

902
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: Okay, good, all right, I'm gonna try and do this.

903
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: So so sorry, are you gonna get your friends?

904
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 2: Yeah?

905
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right here. It's gonna happen.

906
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: All right, all right, you're good to go back.

907
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: I'm good, okay, Lyle. Yeah, I'm not sure if it's

908
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: a uh I think I'm too nervous to uh do

909
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: a natural monkey noise.

910
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean you don't have to do it if

911
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to.

912
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I try it though.

913
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: Okay. So I mean you say you're nervous, do you

914
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: do you not like monkey time?

915
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: You know, for a long time I didn't like monkey time.

916
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: It did bother me for a while. But now I've

917
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 4: been I feel like I've gained power back by going

918
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: out of town. I've been working on myself, but then

919
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 4: going to the gym, and now I think if they

920
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: do try and monkey timey right now. I think I

921
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 4: can fight back. I think I'll be strong enough.

922
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: Mm. I like this arc that you've developed for yourself.

923
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: Were you once we're weak and now you are strongly

924
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: You're like a monkey they turned into a gorilla.

925
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and my dream is to one day give monkey

926
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: time to one of them.

927
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: Ah. Do you feel as though committing monkey time upon

928
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: one of them would serve as a retribution for all

929
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: the monkey time that has been bestowed upon you?

930
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I think it would be a good I

931
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: know revenge isn't good, but I think it would be

932
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 4: a healthy thing for me and maybe them too.

933
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: Well. Listen, Keith, I hope that you eventually get whatever

934
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: it is you're looking for rut of this entire monkey

935
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: time debacle.

936
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 4: Thank you.

937
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: And before we do you have friends outside of these friends?

938
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: Yes?

939
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: Okay?

940
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 8: Good?

941
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 4: They when I bring a monkey time to them for

942
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 4: a while, they're a little disturbed about it.

943
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

944
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: I think you have to be there, you know.

945
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that you uh, searching for

946
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: perspectives outside of your friend group on monkey time is

947
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: a good thing.

948
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

949
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 2: Sayment.

950
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon, Keith.

951
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Lyle.

952
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: Hello, folks, it is Lyle. Lately, I've been ending my

953
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: Sunday podcasts with an excerpt from my street interview segments,

954
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for you guys to listen to this one.

955
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: It's a conversation I had on the campus of Harvard

956
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: University in Boston with a very smart student who is

957
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: navigating her way through life, through trying to be a

958
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: high achiever, through dealing with other people's expectations. And I

959
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: just really enjoyed having this talk on the campus of

960
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: Boston University. And I'm gonna Boston of Harvard University. I

961
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: don't even know where I am anymore. Okay, all right,

962
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut up. I hate ramboly intros. I would

963
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: rather you guys just listen to the conversation without me

964
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: having to explain anything. But I'm here to explain the

965
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: jarring contrast between the phone calls and hearing me out

966
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: in public talking to real people. So that is why

967
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: I am recording this. Okay, anyway, let's get into it.

968
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: What's up, man, what's your name? I'm Nya, nice to

969
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: meet you. I'm Lyle. I'm a Gecko guy.

970
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 8: How's it like? What's it like being a gecko.

971
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: It feels good. I like not being anything, if that

972
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like you're nia, you're a person, you exist.

973
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm perceiving you right now. Me I'm gonna theorial gecko.

974
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm not really here right now.

975
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm here, I don't. Actually, that's a good point saying.

976
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: Do you feel as though you're here right now?

977
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 8: But I'm not sure if you're here.

978
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: Are you good at living at naya right?

979
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 8: Yes?

980
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: Now? Are you good at living in the moments?

981
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 8: I think I'm here right now?

982
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, okay, let's be in the moment. Then

983
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: what do you What are you all about, Naya? What's

984
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: give us a baseline of your life, a baseline of

985
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: my life? Yeah, I'd love to hear.

986
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: Well.

987
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 6: I was born and raised in South Carolina, but my

988
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 6: family's Syrian. Okay, so, got a lot of cultures going on.

989
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: I really love the brain. So I'm studying neuroscience.

990
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that sounds that sounds difficult. There's even

991
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: an expression. It's not brain surgery.

992
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 8: Right, And I want to be a brain surgeon.

993
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: You want to be a brain I want to let

994
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: me ask you this because this one of the first

995
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: people that sat down told me that he was having

996
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: a really hard time because he's in a tough major

997
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: and he is, you know, very passionate about what he does.

998
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: But it feels like it doesn't have enough time to

999
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: go live life and do other things, and you're doing

1000
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: one of the hardest things a person could attempt to do.

1001
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: How do you carve time for other aspects of your life?

1002
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 6: Well, seeing like I got three hours of sleep last night,

1003
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, time gets.

1004
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 8: Carved out there. But I don't know. I believe if

1005
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 8: you say you're gonna do something, you.

1006
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: Just do it.

1007
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 8: We just do it.

1008
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you do break easily?

1009
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 8: No, I've been through I've been through some ship.

1010
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay. So you feel like in the past,

1011
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: your your life has prepared you for this experience of

1012
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: attempting to do something very challenging.

1013
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, I've wanted to Harvard has been my dream

1014
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 6: since I was four, really since forever, and I wanted

1015
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 6: to do it. And now that I'm here, I owe

1016
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 6: it to like everyone that helped me to get here,

1017
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 6: to just keep doing what I was.

1018
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: Who can tell me about the people that helped you

1019
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: to be here?

1020
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 6: My parents probably the best people I've ever met. Okay,

1021
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 6: very tough, very tough, very Arab immigrant parents, very crazy. Uh,

1022
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 6: my best friend Emily raf Bella, like, I have some

1023
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 6: really great friends in my life.

1024
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: So you're I want to talk about your parents. What

1025
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: kinds of you said? They were very tough? What kinds

1026
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: of like things did they instill upon you or things

1027
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: growing up that you feel like shaped you into who

1028
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: you are today.

1029
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 6: So when I was in first grade, this one is

1030
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 6: my favorite story because now we're at Harvard. When I

1031
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 6: was in first grade, I brought home a spelling test

1032
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 6: and I got a seventy. The words were stupid, right,

1033
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 6: It's like, I don't know putting, Like it's first grade.

1034
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 6: But I was like, you think Harvard takes kids who

1035
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 6: got who get seas well? Harvard did, But like that's

1036
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 6: kind of the thing, like there's a there was kind

1037
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 6: of there was always pressure, yeah, but then after a while,

1038
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 6: like you internalize like your own drive.

1039
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, So they give you the pressure and then

1040
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you're on a bike and they're

1041
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: pushing it with their pressure and then they let go

1042
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: and then you have your own wheels of pressure that

1043
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: are spinning and making it go forward and then like.

1044
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 6: With a bike, you're gonna fall, Okay, you're gonna get

1045
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 6: back up the end.

1046
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

1047
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 6: It's like it sounds like so stupid, But I do

1048
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 6: believe that if you like when you when you believe

1049
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 6: you're gonna do something, you just do it.

1050
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Interesting, have you experienced attempting to do things and failing

1051
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: at them many times and misering getting here? And how

1052
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: do you bounce back from those failures.

1053
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 6: I like to think that I'm an optimist. I like

1054
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 6: to think that I've romanticized life, because otherwise, like everything

1055
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 6: is horrible. If it's not a learning experience, then you're

1056
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 6: gonna think it's horrible.

1057
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: Sure.

1058
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So like in the past two years, I've gotten

1059
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 6: rejected from a lot of things, and if I give

1060
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 6: it time, in the next month, I actually get an

1061
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 6: opportunity that was way better in the first place.

1062
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1063
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, wait, time everything works out. I fully believe it.

1064
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I feel that every time I

1065
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: go and sit out here, like you know, sometimes nobody

1066
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: wants to come talk. Sometimes we get an interview that

1067
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: doesn't go well, but then you push past it. You

1068
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: get to talk to some interesting people. I've been learning

1069
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: that myself.

1070
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Speaker 8: No, because I'm happy you're here right now, like wholeheartedly.

1071
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 8: I liked.

1072
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 6: I've been thinking to myself that if you do more bold,

1073
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 6: random things, then you just become a bolder person.

1074
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: What's the last bold random thing that you did?

1075
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 6: It was our friend's birthday like two days maybe yesterday,

1076
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 6: two days ago, and I thought it'd be funny to

1077
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 6: stand on the table in Annenberg, our dining hall and

1078
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 6: to get the cafeteria to sing Happy Birthday.

1079
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Did you successfully do it?

1080
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 6: I have done it before, and I've done it when

1081
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 6: it's not actually anyone's birthday.

1082
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you seem like you're very good at putting

1083
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: yourself out there.

1084
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 6: I'm doing it because I'm not very good at it

1085
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 6: in high school. Yes, I wasn't very good at it

1086
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 6: at least, And now I'm doing it because why.

1087
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,479
Speaker 1: Not exposure therapy? Just like ye brute force, I'm gonna

1088
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: get so I feel so uncomfortable with doing this thing

1089
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: that I gotta do it to to learn.

1090
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, my Like, I started journaling and meditating, and like

1091
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 6: the word I wrote down for this year at was unapologetic. Unapologetic,

1092
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 6: So like everything is either you're being unapologetic or you're

1093
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 6: gonna wonder what if?

1094
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any what ifs that you've left on

1095
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: the table.

1096
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 6: No, but I read this quote that was like, the

1097
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 6: only regrets you have in life is wishing you had

1098
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 6: been more empathetic in a situation. Like, I don't regret anything,

1099
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Speaker 6: because the point that I'm at now is amazing, like

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Speaker 6: tearing my I told my aco playing soccer, and I

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Speaker 6: always said like if only I hadn't done that, we

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Speaker 6: would have won state championships whatever. But then I created

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Speaker 6: my research project out of it, and I wrote about

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Speaker 6: that in my Harvard like application, and now I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Ah, you think that because that you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: funny that when a thing like that happens, that's bad

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Speaker 1: and you couldn't even possibly think of a way that

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Speaker 1: it could turn into a good thing, and then it

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Speaker 1: turns into a good thing. Yeah, in a weird way.

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Speaker 6: It's like I still I literally still have right me pain,

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Speaker 6: so like I can't play soccer, but now I'm walking

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Speaker 6: onto the crew team hopefully.

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Speaker 1: So why brain surgery? Was it just kind of like

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Speaker 1: a Mount Everest? We did it because it was so

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Speaker 1: hard thing?

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Speaker 6: No, I definitely don't think I'm that type of person,

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Speaker 6: because like, I get very I think a lot, and

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Speaker 6: I overthink sometimes, and I'm usually the friend that like

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Speaker 6: feels events like deeper per se, like we just may

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Speaker 6: just feel them, you know, that like annoying person that

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Speaker 6: goes like, oh, I'm an EmPATH. I'm not that person,

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Speaker 6: but I do think about that. But no brain surgery,

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Speaker 6: because like I said, I've always thought just like very deeply,

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Speaker 6: and I like would have the same experience as someone

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Speaker 6: and I just experience it differently. And I started wondering why,

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Speaker 6: And then I came across like consciousness, like how do

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Speaker 6: I think about my own thinking and like my experience

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Speaker 6: right now, and like why am I thinking so differently?

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Speaker 6: And so with that comes neuroscience. And I've always known

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Speaker 6: I wanted to be some sort of doctor. I really

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Speaker 6: love medicine. So as I fell in love with neuroscience,

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Speaker 6: I just thought to myself, what is more vulnerable? Like

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Speaker 6: what is the biggest test of trust than to hold

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Speaker 6: someone's thinking in your own hands?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Interesting? Does learning about the brain and how it

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Speaker 1: works key you in a lot to your own methods

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Speaker 1: of thinking?

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Speaker 6: I think it's interesting because I found a lot of

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Speaker 6: like thinking about my own thinking through meditation and on

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Speaker 6: that path, Like, I don't think neuroscience is exactly it,

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01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 6: but it's more so just the observation of everything going on.

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Speaker 6: Like my favorite thing is that because I'm so talkative

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Speaker 6: and I do a lot of stuff, people never think

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Speaker 6: I'm actually observing what's going on. But I really like

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Speaker 6: observing my friends. My favorite thing to do is to

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Speaker 6: ask them if they have siblings, and no matter what

1147
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 6: their answer is, just say, interesting, you have a younger brother,

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Speaker 6: I have an older sister.

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Speaker 8: Interesting, I see.

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Speaker 1: I say that. Do your friends ever like feel feel

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Speaker 1: too perceived around you because you're observing them so much?

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Speaker 6: I think yes, And like, because we're here now and

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 6: we're like meeting new people, sometimes people might not like

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 6: they think you know how some people do they just

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Speaker 6: want to have fun, and like, I think I'm a

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Speaker 6: fun person, but I'm a very like deep person as well.

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Speaker 6: I don't love the lighthearted fun like I need some

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Speaker 6: sort of I need more to it. Okay, So a

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Speaker 6: lot of my friends will like feel like they're being

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Speaker 6: perceived when they're being around me, And at first it's

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Speaker 6: a little vulnerable because I'm the person like I don't

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Speaker 6: text one words. I text paragraphs, So I think it's

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Speaker 6: fun because I'm perceiving them. And then when they're upset

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Speaker 6: and I like know the upset but they haven't like

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 6: clued us in, it's more fun for me because then

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Speaker 6: you can like help without saying why you're helping.

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Speaker 1: What does your idea of fun look like? If you're

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Speaker 1: not into kind of just you seem like everything you

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Speaker 1: do you want to get something out of it, not

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Speaker 1: just like kind of hang out and vibe. Is that accurate?

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Speaker 8: I guess?

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Speaker 6: I also think though that, like I actually have one

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Speaker 6: of my friends behind the camera right now. She's a

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Speaker 6: very fun person. She is the lighthearted, fun like giggly person.

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Speaker 6: So like here at Harvard, like I can do the

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Speaker 6: fun stuff, but I also really like going to coffee

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Speaker 6: shops and just like having a drink and talking.

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Speaker 1: Are you talk to strangers a lot around I'll.

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Speaker 8: Talk to strangers.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I have as much as possible,

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Speaker 6: but like most of my friends actually are like people

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Speaker 6: that I saw online on Instagram that are we're going

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Speaker 6: to Harvard and I just like I slid in the.

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Speaker 1: Ms splitting in their dms. Yeah, that's is that how

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Speaker 1: you met your friend behind the camera.

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Speaker 6: Actually I met her at so Visitas is like the

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Speaker 6: Harvard visit weekend, and we were at like a little

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Speaker 6: like mixer fundraiser or something was going on, super tight room,

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Speaker 6: and she came up to me and she started talking

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Speaker 6: to like the people that were around me, but not

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Speaker 6: to me.

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Speaker 8: And I was like, oh, purpose she was like this,

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Speaker 8: what is this?

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Speaker 6: So I could have been offended, but I kind of

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01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 6: thought it was funny. So afterward I just went up

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Speaker 6: to her and I was asked her for a snap.

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Speaker 6: I was like, hey, that was pretty funny, like whatever,

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Speaker 6: and now she's everywhere, so.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I love I love that. That's like you you

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Speaker 1: changed your perception, you took control of it. You were like,

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Speaker 1: I am not going to be offended. I am going

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Speaker 1: to make this a productive thing. And then you reached

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Speaker 1: out and now you guys are friends, and that's a

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Speaker 1: really powerful thing to do. I feel like that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that happens when you do all this

1206
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Speaker 1: stuff that you're talking about of being conscious of your

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Speaker 1: own thoughts and trying to be mindful.

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Speaker 8: I'm really trying.

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Speaker 6: I think I've had like a struggle with being unapologetic because, like,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, I'm a loud person. I'm a six

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Speaker 6: foot tall girl. Like I guess you can't tell because

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Speaker 6: I'm seated, but I don't know. I really like how

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Speaker 6: I've been handling myself since I've come here, and so

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Speaker 6: I'm proud of that.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. It's also cool that you know these practices

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Speaker 1: are having like real life effects that are changing your

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Speaker 1: timeline positively, things like you meeting her and everything that

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Speaker 1: you've done to get here at Harvard. I want to

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: know what things in the future that you're uncomfortable with

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Speaker 1: are you trying to become more comfortable with because you

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Speaker 1: seem like you're always trying to improve upon things. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything that you're trying to improve upon your next

1223
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Speaker 1: mountain that you're gonna climb at all?

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Speaker 6: Well, I was just talking with some one, how like

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Speaker 6: there is fifteen years between now and whenever I could

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Speaker 6: be an attending surgeon. Yeah, and within those fifteen years

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Speaker 6: anything could happen. I could injure one of my fingers,

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Speaker 6: I could anything could happen, Like I could not be

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Speaker 6: a surgeon, I could hate neuroscience. I could go into

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Speaker 6: consulting like a lot of the ECON kids here, I

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Speaker 6: probably won't.

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Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 6: I think I'll stay with neuroscience because, like I said,

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Speaker 6: if I believe something to do it, I'm uncomfortable with

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Speaker 6: the idea that I'm so driven. Am I gonna miss

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Speaker 6: out on something?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, And I think just.

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Speaker 6: But being uncomfortable, I will. I will just wholeheartedly plug

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Speaker 6: my favorite like YouTube collective of all time, Yes Theory.

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Speaker 6: Their motto is seek discomfort. So when you ask me

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Speaker 6: if I'm uncomfortable, I'll be like, Okay, yeah I'm uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: What do you think that you might miss?

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 6: I think being someone who's been so passionate and like

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01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 6: I'm from South Carolina, we don't know the same resources

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01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,479
Speaker 6: that kids like up here or in California know about,

1247
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 6: like getting to college, Like I had to apply for

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Speaker 6: every club of all time, try to be a leader

1249
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Speaker 6: in all of them, like focus on my grades, and

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Speaker 6: I know, like I had a different high school experience

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Speaker 6: than a lot of my friends. So like I had

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Speaker 6: FOMO for a while long time, I was like, did

1253
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Speaker 6: I miss something? But I'm I'm still happy I'm here.

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Speaker 6: But it's also just like it's uncomfortable knowing you didn't

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Speaker 6: experience things like other people might have.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like and you were you were alluding

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Speaker 1: to this too, like you you had what you wanted

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Speaker 1: to do, and so you're doing it. And if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do that, you know, you're all whatever you do.

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Speaker 1: If you if you were to indulge in the things

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Speaker 1: that you felt like you were missing, you'd be missing that.

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Speaker 1: There's always an opportunity cost of anything that you're doing.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's I myself struggle with, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: thinking about opportunity costs a lot. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people do. I think a lot of people I

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Speaker 1: have talked to today do. But that's all. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's just an acceptance of the fact that there's always

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Speaker 1: gonna be an opportunity cost. You're never gonna get to

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Speaker 1: do everything.

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Speaker 6: I just love that you said opportunity costs because my

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 6: friend behind the camera, she's always saying opportunity costs. Because

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Speaker 6: they're in X ten right now. That's actually the class.

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Speaker 6: And I just joined the crew team. This morning was

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Speaker 6: our first practice, six thirty am. I just found out

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Speaker 6: I got into the clubs I wanted like I'm I'm really,

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Speaker 6: I'm really like throwing the net wide.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sure, and I know that.

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Speaker 6: Opportunity cost is gonna come into place soon. But at

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Speaker 6: the end of the day, like I think, things will

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Speaker 6: work out, and then once they work out, you're not

1281
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 6: gonna wonder like what could have been, because you're gonna

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Speaker 6: be happy with where you are, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So what's your name again?

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01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: No?

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: I got it. I'm always forgetting people's names.

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Speaker 8: And you're not just Gecko. You have a name, Lyle Lyle.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Lyle very nice to meet you. Is the anything

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Speaker 1: else you want to say to the people of the

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Speaker 1: computer before we go? I love y'all.

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Speaker 8: That's about it?

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Speaker 2: NA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that was interesting stuff. It's it's cool

1293
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: to hear people who I've tacked down to talk to

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Speaker 1: you today all have like very you know, similar issues

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: with each other. Uh, because I feel like people a lot,

1296
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Speaker 1: just with anyone having any issue tends to feel like

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Speaker 1: they could be like alone in it, you know, and

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Speaker 1: and having people come and talk about what's going on

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Speaker 1: with them and these struggles of opportunity costs or of

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm focusing on this so I have to neglect that.

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Speaker 1: How do I deal with that. It's it's a common

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Speaker 1: uh experience between people. I myself for a while, I

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: had had a period. I was overwhelmed by all of

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01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: the options that the earth has of what to do

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Speaker 1: with the time I have before in between birth and death.

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Speaker 1: And I'm trying my best to not think about that

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Speaker 1: opportunity cost. And she was awesome. It was just great

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Speaker 1: talking to her about everything, and I wish her well

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01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: in her quest to being uncomfortable. Never Being goes on

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: the line taking your phone calls every night. Never Being

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01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: goes to what his d's teaching you to loud in

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01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: the meaning of your life. But he's not really an expert.