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Speaker 1: start with trade policy, Louise, our favorite subject. Did you

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cerelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Is eighty six years. It's been eighty six years since

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Speaker 1: the last time the Washington Nation Chinals have played in

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Speaker 1: the World Series. Do you believe the World Series is

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Speaker 1: back in d C? Headline from the Washington Post after

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Speaker 1: eighties six years. Enjoy the ride because anything can happen. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it could be worse. It could be a Houston Rockets

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Speaker 1: fan instead of a Houston Astros fan. To see all

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Speaker 1: that mess that they found themselves in in the US

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Speaker 1: China Tradespat Luis ky Avoni's here, senior lecturer at Johns

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Speaker 1: Hopkins University Carey Business School and a veteran Washington journalist,

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Speaker 1: having worked for everybody and Tyler Pager also is here

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg News national political reporter. It's time now for my

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Speaker 1: favorite segment, What's on the Panel's radar. One day we'll

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Speaker 1: get music for the segment. Chris Team Verada our ep uh. Tyler,

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Speaker 1: you've got a big scoop. Tell us about your scoop.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Congratulations on the great reporting, Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Um. Yes, So the story that we posted online

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Speaker 1: today was that we exclusively reported that Mark Zuckerberg and

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Speaker 1: his wife Priscilla Chance sent multiple emails to the Pete

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Speaker 1: Buddha Judge campaign, actually in fact, to his campaign manager

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Speaker 1: recommending people that they hire. And two of them were hired,

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Speaker 1: both in the data operation. And so we've known for

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Speaker 1: data operations. So what does that even mean for folks

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Speaker 1: in their car on their way home from work? They hear, wait,

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Speaker 1: campaigns have data operations. Now we know that what we

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Speaker 1: part for the course, right, but but what does that

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Speaker 1: specifically mean? Right? So one of them, his name is

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Speaker 1: Eric my Ves Maskey, he's the senior digital analytics advisor.

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Speaker 1: And the other one Nina Warnhoff, organizing data managers. So

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Speaker 1: campaigns use a large amount of data to make decisions

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Speaker 1: about where to spend money, where to organize, how to

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Speaker 1: really run a fifty state operation, and I mean focused

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Speaker 1: on the early States. But so these people are part

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Speaker 1: of a large team that collect data parts through data

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Speaker 1: code the data to understand voting patterns, understand where to

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Speaker 1: invest resources in time. Did Mark Zuckerberg make any other

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Speaker 1: recommendations to other campaigns? So that is something that we

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Speaker 1: have asked Facebook, And actually Mark Zuckerberg was asked about

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Speaker 1: our story today on a conference call with reporters and

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Speaker 1: both his spokesman and him defected that question. They have

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Speaker 1: not dodged, They dodged. We do not know if he's

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Speaker 1: made any other recommendations to other campaigns. We have no

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Speaker 1: reporting we or or evidence to suggests that he has.

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Speaker 1: But no other campaign has come forward and said yes,

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Speaker 1: us too. And Mark in his his spokesman have not answered.

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Speaker 1: What is the Buddha Judge campaign saying in response to

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Speaker 1: the Zuckerberg influence. Yeah, so they are I mean the

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, they just said, look, this was something

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Speaker 1: it was unprompted communication from Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan.

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Speaker 1: This is something that they just sent us these names

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Speaker 1: over and that they have recommendations from all sorts of people. Um,

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Speaker 1: so they're saying it's no big deal. You know, we

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Speaker 1: we hear from all sorts of people. However, Mark Zuckerberg

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Speaker 1: is the most powerful technology the most powerful CEO of

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Speaker 1: So are the Budda Judges to work for McKinsey and right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's how do you even know Mark? But

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Speaker 1: that's the other thing is that they both went to

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Speaker 1: were introduced by a mutual friend in two seventeen, and

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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg went to South ben Indiana on his fifty state

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Speaker 1: tour and and drove around in in Mayor. Buddha did

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Speaker 1: So they have known each other for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But this is the first evidence of any kind of

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg actively assisting at presidential campugn I was again,

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Speaker 1: I go back to the Meath the press interviewed yesterday

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Speaker 1: with with Buddha Judge and Chuck tot it's it's you

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Speaker 1: know now that he's rising in the polls, It'll be

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Speaker 1: very interesting to see how list Smith and campaign co

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Speaker 1: how they response to all of this great reporting. Tyler, Seriously,

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Speaker 1: that's such a monumental scoop because it really does illustrate

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg's growing not just political influence but personal person.

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Speaker 1: I can't streuss this enough personal political influence, from from

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Speaker 1: and I mean I think Mark Zuckerberg is is a

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Speaker 1: political figure or a figure right now politics that he's

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Speaker 1: receiving barrage of criticism from both Republicans and Democrats. They're

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Speaker 1: both hitting him over various things. Conservatives say Facebook is

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Speaker 1: for Mark Sarcerberg and Facebook. Did any of the campaigns

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Speaker 1: ding Buddha jedge off of your reporting? So? Yes, Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Warren and and Kamala Harris were both asked about it,

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Speaker 1: and something tells me Zuck isn't is an emailing with

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. Yes, they both were asked about it today

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Speaker 1: on the campaign trail by reporters, and Elizabeth Warren has

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Speaker 1: long been critical of Mark Suckerberg. She hit him again.

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Speaker 1: Kama Harris was asked explicitly if she would take resumes

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Speaker 1: from Mark Suckerberger any other technology CEO, and she said

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Speaker 1: probably not, she wouldn't do that. But also Facebook has

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Speaker 1: been running like a real time political response rapid response

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Speaker 1: during the debate for example, as well as others. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's been fascinating to see how they've how they've tried

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Speaker 1: last decade or so. La spits on your radar. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Dylan Subterranean Homestick Blues, that's the name

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Speaker 1: that up. Um. So I wrote a piece for the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Review of Books called the time has come

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Speaker 1: to talk about oysters and this is a big thing.

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Speaker 1: And congratulations, thank you. I know you've been working incredibly

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Speaker 1: hard on this, yes, for a long time. And really

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Speaker 1: the point is how you travel to Scotland. So it

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Speaker 1: have taken a very close look at Chesspeake Bay. Uh

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Speaker 1: And what I'm looking at is the decimation of tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of years of oyster reefs due to climate change, pollution,

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Speaker 1: over consumption. What people are doing around the world about it,

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Speaker 1: Who is responsible? Who is acting responsibly? And spoke to

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Speaker 1: lots of marine biologists both in the Chesspeak Bay and

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Speaker 1: also in Europe, uh into the Glen Margie Distillery in

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Speaker 1: the Highlands of Scotland where they are recreating an oyster

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Speaker 1: if they are acting responsibly. And I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: an end to oysters, and now he's still working in

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Speaker 1: Chesapeake Bay and he's always wondering like, well where can

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Speaker 1: I find oysters? And so it's it's really wonderful. They

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Speaker 1: credit they are they blame climate change. Well, climate change

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Speaker 1: is part of it because for instance, all this heavy

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Speaker 1: rain that we have reduces the salinity of the of

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Speaker 1: the water, and oysters thrive on salinity. And then when

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Speaker 1: it gets very when we get a lot of drought,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of excess heat. You have this ocean

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Speaker 1: acidification that also kills oysters. So what I love about

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Speaker 1: the story is and and and I really do want

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Speaker 1: to praise your reporting, is because you take a very

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Speaker 1: contentious issue like climate change, and it doesn't read as

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Speaker 1: a political piece. It reads as a small business piece,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, and a small business piece that impacts

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Speaker 1: our backyard in the Chesapeake region, but also across the

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Speaker 1: pond in Scotland and all over the world. And how

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Speaker 1: small businesses, because those are oyster farmers, small businesses, how

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Speaker 1: they are having to respond in real time to changing climate.

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Speaker 1: So great job. And and you know it'll make it.

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Speaker 1: Next time you're in Hanks, you're gonna be thinking when

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Speaker 1: you're eating that oyster, You're gonna be thinking about all

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Speaker 1: of that. Are you know what's on my radar? Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Pager, Did you see this? You're right in a

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Speaker 1: lot of protect these days. Caitlin Webber reports on the

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal. Senator Mitt Romney uses the alter ego Pierre

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Speaker 1: de Lecto to lark on political debates and occasionally defend

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Speaker 1: himself on Twitter. Twelve Republican presidential nominee for in former

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Speaker 1: Massachusetts governor. He literally has his own fake Twitter handle

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Speaker 1: where he he's only tweeted ten times according to Slate

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Speaker 1: and in reply to other tweets. But wow, what the heck?

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a funny story. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is I think it's like, I think it says

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Speaker 1: a lot about Mitt Romney that he's got a fake

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Speaker 1: Twitter account. James Comebey had the same thing that the

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Speaker 1: same reporter who who discovered this world have a job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, buddy loves Twitter. I want to go ahead, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: I I just I it came out, she found it.

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Speaker 1: It it set some lights on his unfiltered thoughts. There's

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Speaker 1: not too much there, but but I think it's a

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Speaker 1: funny little thing. Luise, go ahead. It's so cute, right,

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Speaker 1: but where did you get the name for it? Well,

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Speaker 1: where did you get the name? Pierre de Lecto? No idea,

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Speaker 1: that's the mystery. We're all trying to crystaliz at CNN. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He says, uh that it's quote unquote truly epic stuff. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I just I just it really is remarkable that when

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Speaker 1: you I mean again, I'm not no judging, but like,

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Speaker 1: let's let's elaborate for just a second. The Senator Mitt

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Speaker 1: Romney took the time to create a Twitter account where

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Speaker 1: he could tweet things that he doesn't have to say

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Speaker 1: in an official capacity, and criticizes the president, who tweets

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Speaker 1: whatever he wants whenever he wants. Louise Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: know in Washington. I have a Twitter account for my

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Speaker 1: now late dog, so do you have. I'm sorry about that, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: If anyone, what have they been saying about Pierre de

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Speaker 1: Lecto on the campaign trail? I haven't heard anything yet.

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Speaker 1: I think the Republican every tweet is not an endorsement.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Tyler Pager. Thank you to Luise Giavonia.

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Speaker 1: I've been on a social media break and I'm a

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Speaker 1: Tyler Pager on Twitter What's your Twitter handle at Tyler

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