1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Charles. Wait, 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm Josh. There's Charles. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: This is off to a good start already, this is 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: short stuff. Jerry's here too, YadA YadA. 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Let's go all right, this is about the Pow Olympics. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 2: We're going to hop in the al wayback machine and 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: go back to nineteen forty four and Voldenbruke in western Poland, 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: where Polish military officers were being held captive as POWs 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: by the Nazis. But the Nazis were like, hey, be 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: glad you're here, because it's not so bad. We treat 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: you guys pretty well. We adhere to the Geneva Convention 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: for the most part. And if you'll notice, there are 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: no death chambers and things like that here. You've got 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: an orchestra, you're taking classes. Treat us well after the war. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: Because I think I see where this whole thing's ended. 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you did you say that the POWs were 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: all officers? 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: I did? 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so that that that was why this pow camp 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: was called offlog two c Offlog is derived from a 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: German word. I think it might be slang for an 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: officer's prison camp. 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like the Great Escape. Okay, sure, 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: remember they had it pretty easy in that camp. 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Right, So, yeah, I think that was there were a 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: lot of political reasons why they were taking it easy 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: on them and following the Geneva Convention. But doesn't it 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: just feel dirty to give the Nazis credit for anything? 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: No, for sure, but I think it was one of 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: those cases where I wasn't really joking when I said 32 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: they were like, hey, remember this after the war, because 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: they were trying to set themselves up for being treated 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: okay after the war, and also to draw comparisons to 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: at the time Russian prison camps and saying like they're 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: the they're the really bad ones. This one isn't so bad, 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: specifically here in Poland. 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: So part of that was allowing of an Olympic Games 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: to be held at Waldenburg. It was a Pow Olympics 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: that was organized and carried out in cooperation with the 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: German captors that were supposed to be in London and 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: then got canceled and then popped up again in the 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: at the Waldenburg Pow camp. 44 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. I doubt if the real Olympic Games people 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: know about it, although you never know, you never know. 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we know about it so well. 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: I know that I know that the Chinese held a 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two POW Olympics at a camp in Korea, 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: in North Korea with Korean War captives as a huge 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: propaganda coup. Like they kept records, they followed the IOC 51 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: instructions to a t, and they let the world know 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: about it. So I wouldn't surprised that the Nazis told 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: people that this was going on as a pr thing. 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and since we're talking about other Pow Olympics, got 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: it to talk about nineteen forty because they were supposed 56 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: to be in Tokyo. World War II was just getting 57 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: cranking up there, so they moved it to Helsinki, Finland, 58 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: and then they canceled those altogether. And there was a 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: German POW camp in Langfasa, Germany that had they called 60 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: it the International Prisoner of War Games, but that one 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: was a little bit different. That one was in secret. 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: There would have been penalties by the German captors for 63 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: holding that Olympics. So somehow they managed to pull off 64 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: a secret Olympics nineteen forty. 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the captors just thought they were watching 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a basketball game or something like that. 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe, and that weird Olympic flag with the rings 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: was I don't know, just for fun. 69 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a break, chuck. 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's do it. 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: And job. 72 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: All right. So geez, we've now covered very quickly two 73 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: Olympic game POW Olympic games, but we're gonna go back 74 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: to the one in nineteen forty four and voted in 75 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: book because they, like you said, had the permission of 76 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: the Nazis to do this, and it was It kind 77 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: of became one of those stories of the war, kind 78 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: of like the Christmas where the ceasefire happened on Christmas Eve. Yeah, 79 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: and they got together. It sort of has that air 80 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: about it. 81 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Man, that's just such an amazing story. 82 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: It was. 83 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: So Yeah, they are probably the most famous long long 84 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Losser and Woldenburg are about the most famous of all 85 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: the POW games, so we know the most about them. 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: In Waldenburg's they had a bunch of different events, like 87 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: they really kind of followed the Olympics at the time 88 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: to a t. There was soccer aka football, handball, basketball, 89 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: track and field, but there were some events that they're like, 90 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna draw the line at that because we don't 91 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: trust you. Still, this is a pow camp. 92 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty funny. Of course, they were like, maybe 93 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: nothing where you shoot an arrow, so archery was out. 94 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: They said maybe nothing where you hold a sword, so 95 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: fencing was out. And then they said, beer, wow, we're 96 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: at it. Let's get rid of the javelin because I imagine 97 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: that would not feel good in the chest. And it 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: seems to me that practicing for pole vaulting, it's just 99 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: another way of saying practicing for getting over that fence 100 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 2: over there. 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: Right, tough to slip it past them while you're having 102 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: an Olympics. They also had to say no boxing, not 103 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: because there was any they were worried about it were 104 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: getting beaten up, I guessed by the boxers. They were 105 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: worried about the boxers killing one another because they were 106 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: again even though they were officers, these were held in 107 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: pow camps, and so the boxers were essentially too frail 108 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: to box. It was just too dangerous for the boxers. 109 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can't not mention the great great World 110 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 2: War two soccer film Victory with Sylvester Stallone and Michael 111 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: Caine and. 112 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: Pele Plee was in it. 113 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: Plee was in it neat what year was this? 114 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: Uh? 115 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: This is in the eighties. But it told the story 116 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: of a soccer match that was held between the Nazis 117 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: and the POW's. But there was an escape plan at halftime. 118 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: They were to bust out dig they had people digging 119 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: in and then we're going to bust into the locker 120 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: room and get them out. And I'm not gonna spoil it, 121 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: but let's just say they are faced at halftime with 122 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: the choice do we escape during this game or do 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: we go back on that field and try and beat 124 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 2: the Nazis at soccer? 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Uh? You escape. 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: It's unequivocal, great, great movie, one of the great sports movies. 127 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: It sounds like it was remade as The Longest Yard. 128 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of like the plot of that too? 129 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: Hmmm? I mean no, it wasn't like a remake. But 130 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: The Longest Yard was That was the Burt Reynolds football 131 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: movie about prison Adam game. Yeah, well, then remade again 132 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: by Adam Sandler. But I don't think there was an 133 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: escape thing in the Longest Yard? Was there? 134 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: That's what I thought. That's why I said that. I 135 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: thought there might be, But maybe I just put that 136 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: in there to entertain myself because I was bored. 137 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: It's been it's been. Thanks a lot. Appreciate that. 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean with the movie, not with 139 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: your anecdote. 140 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: Oh okay, no, I don't think there was, unless I'm wrong. 141 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: I think Along as Yar was just about a football game. 142 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 2: But I may be wrong. It's been a minute. 143 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this conversations boring. Let's move on. 144 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: Still unplays a goalkeeper? 145 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Does he really? 146 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: True? Yeah? 147 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Does he take one in the face? 148 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Uh? Well, they had to teach him. He wasn't very 149 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 2: good at it, but they needed him on the escape team. 150 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: So he was not the most gifted goalkeeper. But they 151 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: had Pele, and they had all these other English football 152 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: stars from the time that I didn't know about. But 153 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: my friend Justin's like, oh that was Bobby's something something 154 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: and whatever. 155 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: I hadn't realized Pele had been a pow. 156 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, we just stop. 157 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, wait a minut. Before we stop, 158 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: we have to say that. In addition to those like basketball, handball, 159 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: track and field, that kind of stuff, they actually held 160 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: cultural events as part of the Olympic competitions at Woldenburg 161 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty four for like sculpture and painting and chess, 162 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: and you would just normally think like, okay, they were 163 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: just trying to round some stuff out. Maybe they were 164 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: trying to replace the javelin event with something else, so 165 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: they came up in chess. No. From nineteen twelve to 166 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two, the Olympics awarded one hundred and fifty 167 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: one medals to original works in the fine arts. Like 168 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: you you could go see a sculpture exhibit and a 169 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: long jump competition in the same place, maybe even during 170 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: that fifty years or forty years, you can see a 171 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: sculpture battle, a sculpt off. 172 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea, So that was sort of 173 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: on My big one takeaway out of this whole thing 174 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: was that they actually, for four decades gave out Olympic 175 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: medals in the arts. Yeah, so cool. 176 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: It is very cool. Its a surprising little factoid that 177 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: I had not expected to learn from this one. 178 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. That, and that Pele was a POW in nineteen 179 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: eighty three or whatever. 180 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: Right, So hats off to everybody who participated in Olympics 181 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: and Pow camps. It is kind of the triumph of 182 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: the human spirit. You know what, I mean totally like 183 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: the purest form of Olympic competition. That's right, And I 184 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: guess since Chuck is agreeing with me, then we should 185 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: just go ahead and say this short stuff is out. 186 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. 187 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 188 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.