WEBVTT - The Mueller Report Episode 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:09.160 Hmm, what's obstructing my justice? Says I'm Robert Evans. This 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.720 is Behind the Bastards. Uh. There's actually a special crossover 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.880 episode of of Behind the Bastards and the Daily Zeite Guist, 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.360 and I have Jack O'Brien and Miles Gray on with 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:23.000 me where we're calling this Behind the zeit Geist Daily Bastards. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.360 I'm eating right now because yeah, rip ourselves away from 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.480 the microphones just to come back to other microphones, and 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.319 we don't even have time to eat because we need 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.440 to make that tent. I thought it was an entire 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.080 pie that you're eating because it's in the pie ten, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.840 but it's not. We're talking about the Mueller Report today. Yeah. Yeah, 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.640 So yesterday Thursday, the Mueller Report dropped like a Beyonce album, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.559 but with with a lot of lead times and not 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.199 out of nowhere. Uh. And I read all of it 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.280 over the course of like I don't know, nine or 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.640 ten hours or so, and I took eleven thousand words 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.320 of notes and now I'm going to read them all 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.120 to you guys, and words of a lot of its 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.600 copy paste. So what would that be like a Rihanna 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.560 album who drops their album with lots of lead times, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.640 like actually years of lead time. Dr Dre doctors, we 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.120 still don't have detox. I have thought that there's a 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:19.679 lot of similarities between Dre and Robert Mueller. Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.600 they're both O g s that is true. Yeah, or 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.720 ones and O g ones A G man Yeah, ones 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.880 and O g ones in original g but not the 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.800 best in the bids for nothing folks, yea what just 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:37.200 general thoughts on Robert Mueller's prose style? Uh? Not not great? 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.400 Could he use an editor? Like a lot of buried leads? Um, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.800 you know, maybe you know copy editing is good, but 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.839 maybe maybe somebody to kick it up. A notch present 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.240 presentation of ideas could have been a little more effective, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.840 could have been a little bit more fun. That was 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.320 a sprite, not a beer. Huh sure, Miles, Yeah, Miles 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.000 has a sprite. But I have a bunch of throwing 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.000 bagels because this is going to be a frustrated comes 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.360 armed as per usual, he will throw in bagels, all right, 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.919 I guess before we get into it, well, have you guys, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.480 have you guys read much of the report? I've read 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:17.080 probably many articles with excerpts that would amount to maybe 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.120 fifteen pages. Okay, by reading are based at this point. Yeah, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.400 I did a lot of that too. I want to 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.639 start by talking about William Barr, the current Attorney General 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.800 a little bit before we we get into the report itself. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.720 We're gonna talk about him much in the report because 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.079 he's not in the report, but I think a little 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.920 bit of his background is useful for understandable context of 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.200 his behavior, a track record of the context that he 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.200 gave us. Yeah, I would, I would call him the lies, 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.320 yeah absolutely, yeah. Yeah. But like this is like in 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.560 his playbook. Yeah, this is home runs. He's done like this. Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.480 So in nine is Assistant Atorney General William Barr drew 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.320 some ire for authoring a legal opinion that stated that 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.680 the FBI had the right to abduct people in foreign 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.680 countries without the approval of the governments of those host countries. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.840 When this became an issue before Congress, Uh, he was 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.000 asked to hand over a full copy of that memo, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:16.840 and he refused and instead offered to summarize its key points. Uh. Yeah, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.320 he's got a got a playbook that hasn't changed in 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.560 thirty years. Um. According to former d o J legal 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.280 advisor Ryan Goodman, Bar quote admitted some of the most 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.920 consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion, which forced 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.520 Congress to issue with subpoena to find that opinion. If 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.080 you may notice, as with some words switched around the 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.240 same thing that happened with the Muller reports, very interesting 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:44.520 nine abducting back then Noriega, Oh got I gotta go, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.960 who I think was a cool dude. He was not 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.080 looking at that at all. Yeah. I mean, well, it's 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.600 funny because like before this, right, Bush was trying to 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.360 figure out how to get Noriega out, and first like, oh, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.840 it would be it would be tight if the Panamanians 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.240 like overthrew them, but you know, I don't want to. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.920 I don't want to tell what to do, and they 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.119 being like, please do something, please do something, please do something. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.480 We'll help you. Maybe we won't. And then they failed. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.760 There was like a failed to attempt. And then it 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.320 got to the point where I'm sure they were just like, 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.360 al right, how the fund do we just like send 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:15.119 our people into we just abduct him? Yea. William Barr says, yes, yeah. Now. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.640 In during Barr's first run as Attorney General, the news 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.640 broke that the Reagan administration had kind of secretly given 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.920 billions of dollars in loans and military aid to Saddam. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.560 Who's saying when we went to war with Saddam, Who's saying, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.120 some of Bush's officials doctored documents in order to hide 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.680 this fact. Six separate congressional investigations were convened to look 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.479 into the matter. The House Judiciary Committee asked bar to 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.520 launch an independent council investigation, and he said no, which 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.080 is the first time that an Attorney general ever refused 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.840 such a request. Huh yeah, wow, So already we're not 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.359 We're not gonna be looking at that setting new precedence. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.279 I mean, that's the one thing he has a good 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.680 track record of. William Barr is the homie if you 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.840 if you get him in, he's gonna do like literally whatever. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.200 Need you know that episode of Breaking Bad when when 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.760 Jesse's girlfriend o'ds on heroin and they call in Mike 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.240 to to clean up the body and everything so that 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.200 when the cops come nothing incriminating will be found. William 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.960 Barr is the that guy of attorney general's. Yeah he's 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.040 like Mike, Yeah, yeah, he's the Mike, but with like 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.320 less no with as much dirty work. Yeah, he's good 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.480 at dirty work, far less likable. Ye, William Erman trout 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.479 because we all we all wound up on Mike's side 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.200 by the end of Breaking Bad. But but I'm not 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.039 on William Barr side. Yeah. I mean the other thing though, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.520 yet with the whole memo was just like the level 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.240 of how he first said it was like, it only 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.280 has to do with domestic law. It was like, you 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.360 don't need it doesn't matter because it's just about domestic law. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.520 And to know that when they actually got it, they're like, 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.600 this has to do with so much more. This is 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.240 this is all of you can be the Fourth Amendment, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.440 like all these good things. Yeah, he he left some 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.440 critical stuff out, and hearing all that, you won't be 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.960 surprised to hear that bar summary of the Mueller report 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.720 left out some key facts as well, not just key 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.680 facts about the president. For one thing that omitted a 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.920 fascinating little crime drama wherein Eric Prince and Michael Flynn 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.200 tried to get their grubby little hands on Hillary Clinton's 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:14.280 near mythical thirty thousand deleted Clinton emails. Um, this is 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.760 like one of the most interesting parts of the whole 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.880 document to me, because the report reveals that Trump essentially 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.080 repeatedly asked Flynn General Flynn to acquire Hillary Clinton's emails 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.320 for him, and one of the through lines of the 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.160 report is that Flynn is literally the only loyal person 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.880 who was ever in Donald Trump's orbit, and so unlike 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.560 unlike everyone else who works for Trump who was solely 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.480 interested in themselves, Flynn was like, yeah, I mean, my 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.800 boss wants these emails. I'm gonna try and get these 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:42.040 motherfucking emails. Um. He just needed someone to give him orders. Again. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:46.920 He loves getting orders. He loves getting orders. Um. So 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.160 he worked with a lady named Barbara Ledean who was 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.600 a former GOP staffer. Uh, and she actually managed to 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.520 get her hands on what she believed was a tranche 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.320 of Clinton emails. And that's when Michael Flynn teamed up 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.479 with our old buddy Echo Papa Eric Prince, and he 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.440 funded the effort to verify the Clinton emails, which showed 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.400 that they were in fact bullshit made to trick the 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.040 g O p UM. So that's that's neat, fun little 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.200 you get a fun little ninety minutes of uh, you know, 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.680 you cut that into a well yeah. Um, So, as 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.720 I said, I read the whole report in one like blurred, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.200 frenzied eight hour or nine hour whatever session. I'm not 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.920 a lawyer, and I won't pretend to have understood all 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.640 the different arguments about constitutional law that the report makes. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.760 That kind of my eyes glaze over on that. Well, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.280 that's why you have me here, That's why I have 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.800 you here, famous constitutional law scholars. Gray Um. But it 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.920 does seem from everything else I read about it that 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.520 one of the things Mueller makes very clear at the 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.560 end is that he believes that Trump's status as the 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.960 president does not make him immune to charges of obstruction 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.760 of justice. And he also makes it clear that the 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.400 crime of of conspiracy with the Russian government does not 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.400 have to have been committed for Trump to have committed 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.200 obstruction of justice by trying to obstruct the whole which 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.920 was the sort of logic William Barr was using. Yeah, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.480 and like that's like the most repeat like the refrain 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.240 if if this is one page long song, like like 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.960 if this is American pie, the the refrain of the 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.800 song the bye Bye Miss American pieline is Mueller saying, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.000 I'm not saying Trump didn't commit crimes. I'm not saying 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:24.200 Trump crimes, like, very very clearly and repeatedly. Um yeah, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.520 that's like one of the most commonly repeated things I 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.200 know because William Barr, famous truth teller, he said, well 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.560 that the whole conspiracy thing wasn't a crime, so like, 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.800 how can you obstruct something's not even crimes? It's like, 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.000 you know, and he was mad. Fuck. So it is 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.679 remarkable how much of it is just like and this 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.560 is like Chris Christie repeatedly told Donald Trump. Like that's 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.760 another thing that's in there is Christie repeatedly saying just 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.760 don't do anything, Just don't do anything. He didn't collude 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.680 with the Russian government, Just don't do anything and it'll 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.160 be fine. And Trump being like, well, fuck, Chris Christie, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.160 that's what the that It's like. Really, it's one of 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.360 the weird things about this document is the people who 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.680 come across as like paragons of sanity, and one of 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.760 them is Chris Christie, which is how you know you're 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:14.080 in a point. So sorry, I'm just going back to 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.200 the beginning here. Um yeah, I felt like we didn't 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.240 need to read after so I read the New York 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.559 Post cover that said the Mueller Report, Trump cleaned, no 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:29.720 crimes committed, dem hoax destroyed. And then I read the 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.240 bar summary. Why would we need to go any deeper 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.320 than that? I don't well, I don't know. Jack. Let's 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.280 talk about that for over. Let's say like an hour 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.680 and a half something like that, you know, alright, Uh, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.160 let's get into it. So another big reveal, uh, concerned 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.719 the infamous P tape, first revealed to the public, much 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.360 on the line Steal dossier. The P tape was apparently 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.680 a major subject of discussion among people close to Trump 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.480 and the weeks before the election. Two weeks prior to 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.760 the election, a Russians, Russian businessman texted this to Michael Cohen, quote, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.080 stop the flow of tape from Russia, but not sure 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.360 if there's anything else, just so you know, dot dot 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.920 dot Yeah, flow tapes. Yeah, the flow of tape. And 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:13.080 this is before the election, before this is before any 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:17.480 anyone out in the world was talking about tapes. Yeah, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.880 BuzzFeed had not dropped I think, um, John McCain had 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:22.840 taken the report, had like made a note of the 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.200 report to the FBI because he'd seen it, but like 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.000 BuzzFeed hadn't dropped it. Yet um, Now, the Special Council 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.679 apparently talked to this Russian businessman whose name I just 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.480 cannot pronounce and I'm not going to trumpet find it. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.320 Russian businessman who explained to Cohen that these tapes were 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.679 compromising tapes of Trump's Trump rumored to be held by 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.000 persons associated with the Russian real estate conglomerate Crocus Group, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.360 which had helped host the two Miss Universe pageant in Russia. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.000 Uh this guy insisted that the tapes were fake when 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.040 he was talked to by the Special Council, so he 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.120 told the Muhler investigation that the p tapes were faked, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.480 but Cohen did not know that at the time. So 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.640 that that's the most seeing stuff up front. The rest 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:02.920 of what we have to talk about. It's going to 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.880 be a lot less organized because we're basically just going 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.280 through my raw notes, some of which will be sensible 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.160 and some of which may not be, since by the 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.680 end of the read I was pretty stir crazy and 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.839 also very very inebriated. So this will this will get 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 less logical as we go along. All right, Yeah, looking 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.040 at that doc, we're using wing dings or web dings. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.640 Are there other thoughts, Oh wow, and you know what, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.360 just go on ahead, man. So, uh, the the report 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.800 starts off with what, under normal, sane circumstances would be 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.800 a pretty damning sentence, the Russian government interfered in the 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.439 two thousand sixteen presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.440 Um Again, like that's one of the first lines. But 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.920 compared to based on everything else, it almost doesn't even 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.560 make an impact if we're living in a rational universe 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.920 where the Trump administration was treated like other presidential administrations. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.760 The fact that that is the beginning of the report 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.760 and the President has been saying for years, we don't 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.800 know if Russia. Clue, we don't know if it was Russia, 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:09.960 and just constantly equivocating and you know, just standing for Russia. Basically, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.240 that would be a big story. People would be like, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.200 huh so now he knows, Like, now we know he 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.800 was wrong. And the MULTA report clearly says that they 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.040 intervened on his behalf and he's still lying on their behalf. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.920 That's just weird. Yeah, the most the question I had 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.719 most going through this first part of the report that 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.400 talks about Russian medaling is just like, this feels like 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.440 an act of war. Like, not that I'm in favor 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.160 of a war with Russia, but like this feels like 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.720 a digital pearl Harbor. Um. And it's pretty pretty shocking. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.360 A lot of this stuff about the Internet Research Agency 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.319 was out from pre prior subpoenas and whatnot, but seeing 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.640 it all put together here is um, it's really shocking. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.840 The report makes it clear that the Russians definitely wanted 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.880 Trump to win and that they took substantial effort to 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.200 ensure that he did. Describes the social media campaign that 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.160 they ran as have favored Trump and disparaged Hillary Clinton. However, quote, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.480 the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.480 campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:15.160 election interference activities. Um. So the the reports are still 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:16.600 care for to note that in a statement that the 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.680 investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.319 there was no evidence of those facts. So he's saying, 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.560 we didn't find hard proof that they conspired with the 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.280 Russian government. However, we did find some evidence that they 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.559 conspired with the Russian government, just not enough to make 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.440 it a chargeable offense. He says that, specifically in reference 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.960 to the collusion immediately after. Yeah, yeah, well and he 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:42.160 okay taught speaking about collusion. Um. In making the report, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.920 Muller applied the framework of conspiracy law to determine whether 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.720 quote collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime rather 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.880 than collusion, because, as he notes, collusion is not actually 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.160 a crime with the definition under federal criminal law. It's 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.000 just a word people have been using. But like, as 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.000 in terms of the FBI's job, it's an irrelevant term. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.600 Is like, there's no way legally to determine it. Uh. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.120 Muller notes, in connection with that analysis, we address the 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.959 factual question of whether members of the Trump campaign coordinated, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.160 a term that appears in the appointment Order, which is 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.240 the order that established a special counsel's investigation with Russian 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.800 election interference activities. Now kind of confusingly, the report notes 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.080 that coordination doesn't have a definition under federal criminal law either, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.880 but they defined coordination is requiring an agreement tacit or 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.680 express between the campaign and the Russian government. So like 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.560 that's sort of the framework under which Mueller is trying 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.120 to analyze. The goal posts are pretty far out. Yeah, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.400 the goalpost far out, And it's surprising how many field 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.760 goals they still kick. Does that make Does that make sense? Okay, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:47.160 good job man, I don't go Uh yeah, no, nice, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:53.880 well done. My favorite squad running. Uh. And it's how 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.320 many h field goals they kick and make and they 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.720 have to actually successfully the field goals, not just kick 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.360 them in their landing thirty yards short. Anyways, let's talk 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:11.840 about the sports analogy a little bit. Um So, under 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.600 this definition, they did not find coordination between the campaign 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.080 and the Russian government. In other words, Russia helping the 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.280 Trump campaign win and the Trump campaign knowingly taking their help, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.440 which is documented, did not count as coordination because there 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.680 was no tacit or express agreement to interfere with the 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.920 election behind it. Right. It's one of those things where 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:32.200 it's like they're not saying at Putin, Putin at Russia, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:37.840 dot gov or dot are you sorry? I have more respect? Uh? 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.640 With subject headline, Hey, when do we want to drop 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.200 the emails? This is what I'm thinking, because yeah, it's 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.200 really tough when more more or less, it was just 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.640 sort of like, I think the Russians are kind of 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.320 help hooking it up. Yeah, And it was it was 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.200 just like about it. We know that these documents were 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.520 hacked by someone. We know they're going to be released 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.360 through wiki leaks. A lot of people are saying it's Russia. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.560 Trump just keeps saying, I don't think it's Russia. But 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:01.600 we know the documents are going to release, and we're 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.800 planning weeks ahead of time how we're going to exploit 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:06.680 what we know is going to come out in the releases. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.520 But because it's it's not, it's not Vladipoop picking up 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.960 the phone and being like, hey guys, got some documents, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:18.160 Like it's there's there's additional layers of of of obscurement 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.240 to it. Um Now, there are a couple of cases 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:21.920 where it is almost that direct, which we'll get to. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.320 Um So, Russia's efforts to influence the election, we're focused 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.080 mostly around either the g r U, which is Russian intelligence, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.560 or the Internet Research Agency, which is essentially a private 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.360 company that's also part of the Russian intelligence infrastructure. Now 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.320 the i RA, which I will be referring to, even 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.240 though it's kind of confusing because it's not the RA 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.040 just killed a lady up in dairy. Uh. The IRA 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.880 started its infiltration of the US by sending agents over 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.320 in two thousand fourteen. This is implied to be the 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.040 beginning of their election infiltration efforts, but the details are 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.480 all redacted out of harm to ongoing matter. Um, so 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.440 there's a lot that's redacted in like relation to the 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.040 i RA uh and it's later in the document quote. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.480 IRA employees traveled to the United States in mid two 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.440 thus fourteen on an intelligence gathering mission to obtain information 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.359 and photographs for use in their social media posts. So 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.840 they were taking pictures of Americans and locations that they 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.879 could make more compelling fake people on the Internet to 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.840 pretend to be American activists. That's interesting that actually happened. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.280 Like they didn't just use Google image search. They went 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.320 and took pictures because they knew that it would be 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.879 possible to trace the images back. And Yeah, when I 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.119 think about what I do online, when I suspect someone 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.800 is like a fake person, it's like the first thing 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.600 you do is do a reverse Google image shirts. So 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.200 they didn't want that to be possible. Yeah uh quote IRA. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.920 The ai AS operation also included the purchase of political 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.280 advertisements on social media and the names of US persons 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.439 and entities, as well as the staging of political rallies 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.760 inside the United States To organize those rallies, ira A 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.560 employees posed as US grassroots entities and persons and made 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.080 contact with Trump supporters and Trump campaign officials in the 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.720 United States. The investigation did not identify evidence that any 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.199 US persons conspired or coordinated with the i RA. So 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.160 they definitely worked with the ira and supported their efforts, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.800 but they thought they were there. There's no evidence they 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:08.879 thought they were anything but US based activists, because there 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.480 were there were even examples of like Trump retweeting through 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.480 some social media site like one of the IRAS protests 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.080 that they were like a pro Trump thing that they 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.240 were gathering. But there's no necessary way that Trump would 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.160 have owned that they weren't just a normal group of supporters. Yeah, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.240 that would have required him to do more more research 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.760 into that than anything he's ever done. Yeah, which of 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.880 course he didn't like. Yeah, but I mean, at that point, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.879 they're operating in a way that's supposed to come off 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.520 as sincere as possible. Um, so we get even like, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.800 I don't think we needed any more confirmation that Goose 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.679 offer two point oh was the g r U and 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.480 that the d n C leaks were part of a 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:49.480 Russian government operation. But what, oh, Miles, are you serious? Yeah, 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.560 I'm sorry man, if you even I thought he was 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.600 some hacker dude in his basement, Yeah, and his mom's 0:18:55.600 --> 0:19:01.399 basement with his blood type of mountain dew blah blah blast. Yeah. 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.399 I mean they the g r U are big fans 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:09.000 of Baja blast. That's very well documented. Uh so um. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.920 It notes that Wiki leaks made its first releases in 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.639 July of two thousand and sixteen, like within days of 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.480 candidate Trump announcing that he hoped Russia would recover emails 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.399 described as missing from a private server. So it like 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.840 essentially it states very clearly that the g r U 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.680 a lot of their hacking efforts to try to get 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:31.320 her emails started within a couple of days of Trump saying, uh, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.600 I hope that the Russians get her emails, like he 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.000 said that, and they started certain like spear fishing attempts 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.160 to break into Clinton email accounts. That's new. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.600 that is new. It started days after he said that 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.440 was you know, And I didn't take down the exact 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:47.600 length of time, but I think it was within like 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.760 forty eight hours. It was very close. So it's not 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.639 like so yeah, yeah, before you could have thought, well, 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.359 this is probably ongoing. Rather yeah, he literally said hey, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.720 I hope you should do that, and they started spearfish. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:02.399 I've always thought people pointing to that part, like him 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.680 saying that in his speech, as like evidence that he 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.399 was coordinating or trying to coordinate with Rush. I've always 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.200 taken that as like, yeah, but he was like clearly 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.679 just doing his Trump thing and up there riffing and 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.960 ship like that. But it seemed like that's crazy that 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.359 they were like yes, yes, sir, yes, your honor. Yeah. Yeah. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:26.200 It was like, uh yeah, it was. It was pretty nuts. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.080 Um well I think yeah, I guess even if there 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.680 isn't if you don't think it's they were in direct contact. 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.399 It was definitely that like that was information they needed 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.000 to be like, oh okay, this is this will help. Yeah, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.359 it's It's worth noting that they had penetrated the d 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.960 n C in June, so before Trump ever said anything, 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.560 they had already started getting emails and stuff from the 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.760 d n C. But they SUSPENSI they like specifically started 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.720 spear fishing, which is essentially when you send out a 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.360 bunch of emails to like people whose accounts you want 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.399 to compromise that have things that if they click like 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.480 it might, it'll be like, oh, log in because your 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.600 bank account and then it's a website I created. Yeah. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.480 So they started targeting Clinton aids and people like associated 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.879 with Hillary Clinton UM on a wider scale immediately after that. So, like, 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.439 that's one of the more damning things that's in the 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.800 whole report. UM, even though that's obviously not necessarily evidence 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.320 of coordination, because it's possible and in fact probably that 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.240 what happened is Trump speaking out of his ass because 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.840 it sounded good and tough, and the Russians being like, yeah, 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.560 we we can do more of that. Why not? Um, 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:33.440 But is also pretty damning in a normal political environment. Yeah, 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.680 I mean I don't care about stuff like that. I mean, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.920 it's very easy for him to say that, speaking out 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.080 of his ass, because he was just in three meetings 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.280 where people were like, damn it, it would be really 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.320 great for our campaign if we had the Clinton emails. 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:48.400 And he just goes out there and like says it 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.680 out of his ass and they're like, oh, we probably 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:55.040 shouldn't say that, but he can because he's a fucking clown, 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.000 and the Russians are like, got it. Like yeah, I 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:03.240 mean that's the core. It is effectively coordinating, even if 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.560 it's not like the legal definition of them like getting 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:10.320 on the phone or like legally uh you know something 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.000 that we can prove. Yeah, well, but he would have 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.159 to know that the Russians were going to do that, 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:17.880 and that was all part like that it was all 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.680 coming from there, right, rather than like sort of subconsciously 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.000 expressing a desire that they could pick up on. And 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.800 I guess the reason coordinating is so dangerous is because 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:31.520 you're you know, bringing like one person's illicit like planned 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:36.080 to attack the Democrats into like alongside yours. That's why 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:41.280 the like sharing, pulling information and like strategic information that 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.480 Manifort did is so you know that is so significant 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.480 because that's what makes it particularly effective is you're you know, 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.280 targeting the same areas, the same types of people. And 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:57.359 I mean obviously Trump wanted her email, so it's just yes, 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:01.439 like it doesn't technically rise to the level, but like 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.240 when you're looking at like what we need to keep 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:10.440 a sane electoral process, like not being able to jokingly 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.680 tell somebody to help your campaign by doing an illegal thing. Yeah, 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.960 is probably should be something we take into account. We 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:22.160 should we should make that be uh illegal in the future. 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.760 It seems like a gap in our current because sixty 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.040 years ago that wouldn't have really been a thing people 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:35.560 could do, and now it is. Yeah anyway, Um, Sophie's 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.639 giving me the two fingers sign, which means it's time 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:47.159 for you. Guys are better at transitions. That was amazing one. 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:53.520 I actually got freaked out when you did that. Haunted. Yes, yes, 0:23:54.440 --> 0:24:04.720 by these ghosts. We're back. So uh. One of the 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.080 things that report makes really clear is what a staggering 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:11.359 success the Internet Research Agency's influence campaign was. Uh Facebook 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.479 at all were no in no way prepared for this, 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.840 and we're essentially perfect victims. Quote. Instagram accounts had hundreds 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.119 of i RA Instagram accounts had hundreds of thousands of 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.040 US participants. Ira A controlled Twitter accounts separately had tens 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.879 of thousands of followers, including multiple US political figures who 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:28.359 retweeted ira created content. In November two thousand seventeen, a 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.719 Facebook representative testified that Facebook had identified four hundred seventy 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.679 ira A controlled Facebook accounts that collectively made eighty thousand 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:38.000 posts between January two thousand fifteen August two thousand seventeen, 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.760 Facebook estimated the ira A reached as many as a 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.240 hundred and twenty six million persons through its Facebook accounts, 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.600 and sixth of January two thousand eighteen, Twitter announced that 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.960 it had identified three thousand, eight hundred fourteen ira A 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.840 controlled Twitter accounts and notified approximately one point four million 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:54.840 people Twitter believed may have been in contact with an 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:59.720 ira A controlled account. UM. So, in just keeping all 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.520 that in mind, the hundred and twenty six million people 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:07.520 who were reached by Facebook like iri controled Facebook accounts alone, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.800 I want to note that according to Vanity Fair, Uh, 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.720 there's a great Vanity Fair article titled you could feed 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.439 all the voters who cost Clinton the election in a 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.119 mid size stadium. Um noting that the three states that 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.960 cost Clinton the victory, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were lost 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.640 by a margin of seventy nine thousand votes. So when 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.080 we're talking about whether or not Russian influence pedaling could 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.840 have had a significant impact on the outcome of the election, 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.760 that they reached a hundred and twenty six million people 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:37.400 through Facebook, the election came down to seventy nine thousand votes, right, 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.960 And that's where the part where Manafort exchanging information with 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.159 Constant and Colimnik is so damning too because they go, oh, 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.639 no collusion. Well you have this person that is the 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.520 most damning thing in terms of the campaign. He is 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.359 the manager of the campaign at the time, right, sharing 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.520 internal polling data and strategy and also saying these are 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.359 the battle ground states were really focusing on because we 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.000 think the Clinton campaign is actually taking some of these 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.040 states from for granted, or as the media said, or 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.560 just not putting as much investment in those states and 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.680 the like. Oh and we've also like and from there 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.680 identifying the Clinton defect or demographic of voter who they 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.359 especially needed to get to because once you get those 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.040 people to vote third party or for Trump, great, Yeah, 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:21.199 you've actually whittling down the margins. And again, like you say, 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.160 when it comes to something as just under eighty thousand people, 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:32.160 uh Rebevans, I have a question for you the um 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.320 why why does he Why would Muller like he acknowledges 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.640 the thing that we're talking about, right, the Constant clinic 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.440 maniport like connections. Yeah, he's very explicit about that. So 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.440 why did that? Because one of the critiques that I've 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:53.879 seen the likes of Glenn Greenwald bring is that, how 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.400 like do you believe that they didn't come up with 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:01.880 one single indictment of somebody for Russia Russian collusion? Why 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:06.080 does that not rise to the level of collusion? Well 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:11.400 because siractic criminal term? Sorry, why does that not rise 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.440 to the level of criminal conspiracy with Russia? Uh? Yeah, 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:17.560 that's that's that's a great question. I guess some of 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.919 it is because, like, is it it's not illegal to 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:24.399 share polling data somebody like he wasn't Manafort was giving 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.200 this guy polling data. He was not in return getting 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.520 a promise We're going to have this agency that you 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.160 may not even know exists at this point attack these 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.400 battleground states to try to shift voters. There's nothing illegal 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.920 about a guy giving like information as the campaign had 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:42.919 he had control over, he can share that with whoever 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:47.840 conscting clinic was not like next door to Vladimir Putin 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.040 at the time, working for him or whatever, so that 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.600 maybe did did they have a direct connection between the clinic? 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:59.080 Clinic and Putin had a direct connection enough to be 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.159 like we can ssider this person to be part of 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.240 the intelligence. Intelligence part of what Manafort is in jail 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.280 for is related to this the acting as an unregistered 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.440 foreign agent UM. Now that's not as a result of 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.159 him sharing data with Colmnic, but as other results of 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.359 things he did with Colimnic, because he was also talking 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.320 with Colimnic about essentially establishing a peace plan that would 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.960 have given Russia backdoor control of eastern Ukraine. So one 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.720 of the things Manafort was doing while he was giving 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.720 the stat at a Colimnic was being like, and we'll 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.920 establish a peace program that gives Russia a large chunk 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.800 of Ukraine, uh in exchange for better relations with Russia. 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.480 Like that was the thing he was working on at 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.080 this time. And that's a lot legally shadier ground to 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.320 stand on, but some of that still ongoing in terms 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.880 of like the the investigation and whatnot. And one of 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.840 the things that man or that Muller repeatedly notes is that, uh, 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.560 it's hard to say exactly what crimes Manafort did or 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.400 didn't commit because he lied about everything and deleted all 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.240 of his text messages and we didn't get them all. 0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.840 Like that's a repeated comment that Mueller makes, is that, like, 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.560 there might be more here, but we just don't have 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.520 all of the information from Manafort because he lies constantly 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:11.400 and deleted everything. Yeah, based on beans based on your 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.280 reading of the Mueller report, do you would you guess 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.560 that Mueller thinks that Russian intervention swung the election or 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.560 is he taking that idea fair seriously enough to say 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.480 that he definitely thinks that's possibility. I would say that 0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:28.920 everything that's in the report says it's definitely a possibility. 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.080 He does not go as far as saying this one 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.240 like that, and that's outside of the scope of his investigation. 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.320 But he spent probably like a good quarter maybe if 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.720 if it's lower of the of the whole report, talking 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.719 about Russian influences actions to swing the election, going in 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.280 detail about them, about what Manafort did, about what the 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.520 Internet Research Agency did, about what Wiki Leaks did. Wiki 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.720 he very makes a very clear case that Wiki Leaks 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.520 coordinated directly with the Russian government to release a lot 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.240 of this stuff, Like he goes into exhaustive detail about 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.160 like that. Like one of the first half of the 0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.320 Muller Report, Part one is essentially a detailed outline of 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.160 Russian efforts to influence the two thousand and sixteen election. Um, 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.800 And I don't see how you can walk away from 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.880 it thinking anything but that they put a lot of 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.760 work and money into this, and some of them at 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.120 least believe. There's even a statement from some guy close 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:23.800 to Putin saying Putin one after Trump won the election. Yeah, 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:25.840 so I would say, and I you know, I can't 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:29.360 get inside Bob Mueller's head, but he definitely takes the 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.280 possibility seriously because he spent like a hundred pages talking 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:37.120 about it, right. Yeah, so I do want to talk 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.040 a little bit more about the Internet Research Agent. Say, 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.960 there's another little line a little bit further down that 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.800 talks about how those four IRA employees snuck into the country. Uh, 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.040 they lied and pretended to be four friends who had 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:48.560 met at a party. I just wanted to visit the 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.360 U S Which I'm sorry that was cute. Have you 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.840 have you actually seen times when like Russian spies have 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.360 gone abroad to like do recon and stuff. How obvious 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.320 they look. Well, some people just want to look at 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.800 some cathedrals. Remember those guys in England who were like 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.400 had the most guys who poisoned for the for the listeners. 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.280 You guys who poisoned several people in Russia when they 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.440 were tracked down by members of the site that I 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.440 write for a Belling Cat, and we're found to have 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.960 been agents of the g r U. They claimed to 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.680 be tourists who were just there to look at cathedrals, 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.400 and they looked like comic book versions of like Russian 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:31.400 like goon like like like the most just like chiseled faces. 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:35.320 They their expressions were so like angry, and you couldn't 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.000 for a second be like, oh these are cathedral enthusiasts, 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.880 like these are these people just with their scowls look 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.520 like they were either Russian spice or soccer hooligans and 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.520 nothing else. Yeah, yeah they were not, Mike, So I 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.200 can't believe like coming here, they're like, uh in your 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:57.920 purpose for your visit, we are friends at the United States, Um, 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:01.600 what's in your backpack? Camera? And sweat those look like 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:08.560 chair legs is for my marionette class. I must make here. 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:12.840 I must go uh yeah, just like a wild Because 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:14.560 that was the one thing that really surprised me about 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.480 the because it was with Sergey scrup all right, that 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.080 was those guys when he saw those photos like they're 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.840 not even trying. They're actually not even trying. Yeah, like 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.000 you feel I feel like the people at the border 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.600 could like, I don't know, I guess this gets into profiling, 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.240 but like, so you guys are clearly Russian spy. I'm like, 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.520 why is your friend folding up a frying pan with 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.080 his bare hands behind? Look at me like like they 0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.120 like they if there was a shooting and I was 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.280 near one of those guys, I would dive behind their 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.400 forehead for cover because it was clearly thick enough to stop. 0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:48.040 Both gods, it's freaky, yeah, you know, and easy, you think, 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.080 like with the way some people finesse things, like with 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.560 the way Kim Jong UN's brother was taken out, like 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.880 they had those people warm more women with poison needles. 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.560 Good plan, right, or just like trying to bring in 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.160 weird people to be like, oh, it's a prey ink 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:01.800 show or whatever. I don't know if they actually still 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.120 believe that or they'll cover or whatever. But if you 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.080 just need photos, right, you could easily just send your like, oh, 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.360 my cousin studying abroad, just make sure you get all 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.240 the pictures off the SD card when you get back. 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.560 But you know, why am I trying to do their 0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.400 job better? For? I mean, you know, Miles, when this 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.000 when this whole podcasting game falls apart. I do think 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.000 you have a future as a Russian contracting spy agents. 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:27.200 I'm like, hey, Boots, babe, let's talk. Man. I'm like, Bobby, 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.480 you got this thing all the way it turned around. Man, 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.520 I'm mature as a Russian spy. You should see his 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.480 pass and to hire this guy. Yeah right, hey, but 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.520 it stopped the flow of tapes, didn't it. It did 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.920 stop the flow of tapes, the fake tapes. Oh yeah, 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:49.120 I'm yeah, the tapes of flow. Um, okay, so not 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:56.240 the progressive she was my improv teacher. Hey, so uh 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.400 there's a there's fun lines in the report that are 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.560 partially acted. One that says the focus on the US 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:05.720 presidential campaign continued through two a thousand sixteen and redacted 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.920 two sixteen internal redacted. Reviewing the ira A controlled Facebook 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.600 group Secured Borders, the author criticized the lower number of 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.480 posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton and reminded the Facebook specialist, 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:20.480 it is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton. UM, just 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.920 very direct. A lot of It's interesting to me how 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.440 much information the Mulla report has on what's going on 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.520 here and a lot of it's redacted, So once we 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.200 get a full version, I expect we're going to like, 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:33.640 there's a lot in here about the journalists who worked 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.840 with Wiki leaks um and I'm really interested to see 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.839 some of those conversations when they're inevitably revealed, because that's 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.560 one of the things. Yeah, I think, I mean, we 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.480 don't know what's redacted, but it talks about at other 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.799 points that journalists, American journalists worked with Wiki leaks, and 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.400 we're given access to the leaks ahead of time. Wiki 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.719 leaks was getting the leaks directly from the g r 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.520 u um and from you know, as goose Afer. So 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.480 like as I'm interested in in the form those conversations 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.680 took because I suspect some of those journalists kind of 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.120 knew what was going on. So who was coordinating with 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.680 a Facebook expert there that was a that was a 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.720 IRA agent like talking with one of their Facebook experts, 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.359 one of the Facebook Yeah, that's an internal conversation where 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.279 they're talking about you know, we have to intensify criticizing that. 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:22.080 Funny when your job is that you get an email 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.120 from your manager it's like, hey, we talked about this man. Yeah, 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.520 we gotta ramp up the Hillary Clinton stuff, and then 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:29.319 your job is to go back and be like, oh man, 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.239 she sucks. I mean, I can't believe you're destroying this country. Now. 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.359 Such a bizarre sitcom. Most of the IRAS groups were 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.200 like pretty pretty hardline conservative pro Trump, but they actually 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.240 kind of spun the gamut. There was everything from being 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:46.040 like their Facebook groups had names like being Patriotics, Stop 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:49.040 All Immigrants, Secured Boarders, and Tea Party News, but also 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:53.719 had names like black Matters, Blacktivist, and don't Shoot us. Uh. 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.960 There was an lb LGBT United Group, and then like 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.720 religious groups like United Muslims of America all were actually 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:04.480 I ray. Facebook groups was pretty big. Yeah, Blacktivist was 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.200 very big. He and they they carried out rallies and 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.640 stuff and got sizeable numbers of people, and they were 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.600 pushing the anti Hillary, like Hillary Clinton's racist line to 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.160 try to get black voters to stop supporting her. UM. 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.000 Now it's noted in here like there was a lot 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.080 of ship last year. I think when it came out 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.240 to the Internet Research Agency, it's been a hundred thousand 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:26.040 dollars on thirty Facebook advertisements. UM. One of the things 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.440 that's really clear from the Malar report is that they 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.239 really didn't need to do that. Uh, most of their 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.000 engagement seems to have occurred organically without the need to 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.319 put any money down to amplify things at all. Like 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:38.319 that was almost more icing on the cake, Like just 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:42.080 the way that social media is structured, they didn't need 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:46.880 to spend money because they were creating fake news and 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.759 that was that. Well, like they it's easy to if 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.400 you just get to write fiction and pretend it's fact, 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.960 you can create viral something that's gonna go viral because 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.200 you just say the Pope said fun Hillary Clinton. Yeah, 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.160 people Catholics are gonna want to read about Hillary Clinton's 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.600 going to kill your babies. It's controversial. It's something that 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.200 gets people angry, and then like, your job's already done 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.200 for you. You don't need to spend that money like 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:15.640 they did in some cases, But it doesn't seem like 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:20.640 it was that. That is one of the top rebuttals 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.880 I hear from conservatives or even moderate people who are like, 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.919 this whole thing is a witch hunt. Is well, you're 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.839 telling me thirty something thousand dollars of Facebook money is 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.200 what swung this election, And it's like, no, it was 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.960 the constant churn of like fake stories that were wish 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:43.920 fulfillment for anybody who like thought about supporting Trump. Yeah. 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.319 One thing that's really clear is that the IRA was 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.120 a big push behind Hillary Clinton for prison. That hashtag 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.239 like that was one of the big prison. Yeah, that 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.360 was one of the big things they pushed started it. 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.120 But like they really they really pushed it. Um, that's 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.719 one of the things they spend money to push, especially 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:07.080 around the the RNC and the d n c UM. 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.719 So the IRA efforts were two pronged, and they created 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.719 a number of fake persons in groups obviously to like 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.399 act as American citizens who are activists, but they also 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.560 operated a sizeable bot net which would give these fake 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.399 people the impression of being real. Uh. It notes that 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.520 numerous high profile US persons, including former Ambassador Michael McFall, 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.920 Roger Stone, Sean Hannity, Michael Flynn Jr. Retweeted or responded 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:34.040 to treats tweets posted by IRA controlled accounts. So again, um, 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.239 they had a lot of success holding rallies. Uh. They 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.480 would put US media in touch, like they would basically 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.239 start a rally, get dozens or hundreds of thousands of 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.360 people to confirm that they were attending. Then they would 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.759 find an actual American volunteer to act as a coordinator 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.400 and make an excuse about how they had to be 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.799 out of the state during the rally, and then they 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.320 would put media in touch with the person who'd volunteered 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:56.960 to be the coordinator to make it seem like it 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.960 was legitimate grassroots effort. Um. The first rally they executed 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.200 was actually in November of fifteen, and it was a 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.759 Confederate rally. That was the name of the the event. Um. 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.400 These rallies continued after the two sixteen election. There's one 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.240 example of one of the posters here which I actually 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.160 think I saw during the election. It's the Miners for 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.239 Trump ad for a Miners for Trump rally and that 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.960 was an IRA rally. Wow, yeah, I definitely saw that. 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:27.640 Add not children, no, no, no, like coal mines. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.880 it's It's it's pretty wild. One of their groups was 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:34.480 black or one of their fake people was named black Fist, 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.560 which was purportedly an African American like trying to teach 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:41.160 other black people how to protect themselves from law enforcement. Um. 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.160 They were really focused on BLM because it was controversial 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.399 because it was something people argued about and thought about 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.879 on the Internet. And I knew if they created one 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:53.480 like incident that involved Black Lives matter, like the right 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.759 wing media would do the rest. Yeah. That seems to 0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:00.239 have been a huge part of their goal. Um yeah, 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.399 uh so, I'm not gonna go into detail. And every 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.880 time the Trump campaign promoted IRA created material, but the 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.000 report notes that in total, Trump campaign affiliates posted promoted 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.680 dozens of tweets, posts, and other political content created by 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:18.920 the IRA. So that's cool and again not coordination, not 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:23.840 coordination in the legal sense. Synergy. Yeah, there's two people 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.719 working at parallel purposes. And that's the thing with conspiracy, 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.160 like you need that agreement ahead of time, you know, 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.120 so it's like it's defined what it is rather than 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.680 being like, yeah, we want the same thing. Well everything happened. Yeah, 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.080 Now that's one chunk of Russia's efforts. The other chunk 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.160 were carried out by the g r U, which is 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.839 again Russian intelligence. Um, and those are the people who 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.880 did the DNC hacks. They did the spear fishing that 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.880 got them access to like a bunch of Hillary Clinton 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.400 related emails and stuff. Um, so they had there are 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.719 a couple of different GRU departments that did this. One 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:58.360 of the things I found interesting is that the g 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.040 RU carried out a moderate size bitcoin mining operation in 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.440 order to buy the computer infrastructure they used to hack 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:08.279 the d n C. So that's cool. Yeah neat. Oh 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:10.760 so they were just like had a bunch of computers running. 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:14.520 They get as much bitcoin to fund their other computer. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.040 it was bitcoin. Wasn't bitcoin like a penny stock at 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.000 that time? Like, wasn't it really low? It was? It 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:20.840 was worth more than that. It was in the hundreds 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:26.600 I think at least. Yeah. Um so yeah. The the 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.480 spearfishing campaign was incredibly successful in letting the g r 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.680 U access to John Podesta's emails, as well as tens 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.040 of thousands of other messages from other campaign staffers. The 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.560 g RU began planning the releases of this content at 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:41.600 least as early as April nineteen sixteen, which is when 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.840 one g r EU unit registered the domain d c 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.160 leaks dot com uh and then anonymize the registrant. They 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:51.840 paid for the registration using bitcoin that they had mined. Um. 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:56.439 So that's cool. Um yeah, so we'll get we'll get 0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:01.320 into the rest of this, but first you know what's 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:10.200 better than bitcoin products services? Money is better than no 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:17.520 no spending? Yeah, uh huh, yes, where am I? Uh capitalism? 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:22.719 I'm not as good at answer to that a capitalism no. See, 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:24.160 this is why I was. I was trusting what you 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.640 all to do. The ad plug. But hey, guys, we're 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:30.279 gonna take a quick break to tell your sickle of 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:33.560 our ads real quick. Okay, uh one of our ads. 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:42.200 Hey Miles Jack from work? Yeah, alright, uh go go 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:43.879 listen to the man. We're gonna take a quick break. 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:53.640 We'll be your bad and we're back. Great ads. That 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.640 was great lead into the ads. Let's talk about Roger Stone. 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.560 So Roger Stone is notable in the Malari for his 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:04.680 absence because he's not really in the Moulder report, but 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:07.880 he clearly is because there's a bunch of redacted stuff like, oh, 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.600 y'all are talking about Roger Stone. Now. One of those 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.040 places is talking about the communication between the g r 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.959 u uh in the persona of goos Off two point 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.760 oh with a Trump campaign member while a former Trump 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.640 campaign member who's again clearly Roger Stone. So I'm gonna 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.480 read a selection of that, which is again in the 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.200 middle of a bunch of very redacted stuff. In early 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.680 August two thousand and sixteen, redacted Twitter suspension of the 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.160 goose off two point oh to Twitter account after it 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.200 was reinstated, JRU officers posing his goose for two point 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:40.160 oh wrote, redacted via private message, thank you for writing back. 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.480 Do you find anything interesting in the docks I posted 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.600 on August sixteen the jar you added. Please tell me 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.200 if I can help you anyhow, It would be a 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.680 great pleasure to me. On September sixteen, the GRU, again 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.800 posing his goose off two point oh, referred to a 0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:57.960 stolen Democratic campaign document posted online and asked Roger Stone, probably, 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.000 what do you think about the info on the term 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.000 an out model for the Democrats entire presidential campaign? Roger 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.600 Stone probably responded pretty standard. The investigation did not identify 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.799 evidence of other communications between probably Roger Stone and goose 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:13.000 it for two point out. So there's a lot of 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.360 talk between Roger and goosef um. But he's saying the 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.560 information you got us is pretty standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.080 it ain't ship it ain't ship um. But there's still 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:27.600 an ongoing investigation there, which that's the stuff they could 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.920 show you. Yeah, yeah, that's the stuff that they were 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.799 able to show you. Um, now, if there's any chance 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.600 she still thought Julian Assange was anything but a partisan hack. 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.040 Here's something he wrote to his colleagues in November two 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.840 thousand fifteen. That's in the Mullar Report. We believe it 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.040 would be much better for Goop to win. DIM's plus 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.399 media plus liberals would then form a block to rain 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.839 in their worst qualities. With Hillary in charge, Geop will 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.120 be put pushing for her worst qualities. DIMS plus media 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.880 plus neoliberals will be mute. She's a bright, well connected, 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:57.879 sadistic sociopath Juliana Sange talking about Hillary Clinton talking about 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.680 Hillary Clinton, which might be an accurate description of Hillary Clinton, 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:07.680 but uh, statistics seems weird because She's would be more interesting. Yeah, yeah, 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:09.880 that's probably I'm going to guess anyone who rises to 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.000 her level in politics has a little bit of sociopath 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:15.719 in him. But I feel like any career politician, yeah, 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:17.759 you gotta have a little bit. I just yeah, I 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:22.160 wouldn't be shocked if she had like some small German 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.480 children tied up in her basement that she just like 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.960 stuck pins in every once in a while, just to 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:31.520 gate on us here just saying like, probably not in 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.360 her basement, but maybe like a secret bunker that she 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.680 walks to in the woods. But yeah, I don't, I 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:39.440 don't know. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to say that. 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.799 But I can see where I can see where her 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:48.440 like dislike for Hillary Clinton. Yea, yeah, where where that 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:52.640 can come from? I mean, he also hated Obama, and 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.839 but the fact that he's like, yeah, but we want 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.000 GOP doesn't really make sense because they seem to violate 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:03.040 everything that he and he was fairly about their worst 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.799 excess as being reined in. That's part of what I 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.360 find interesting there, is like, yeah, that's not how that 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.960 worked out. You think he convinced himself of that or 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.359 was just lying to commence others of that. I think 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:17.600 he might have. It's hard to say. With Julian Assange. Um, 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.160 we we do know from the document that wiki leaks 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:23.440 and goose for two point oh cooperated consistently and effectively 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.560 to derail the Clinton campaign. Um. They were in constant conversation. 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:31.360 Wiki Leaks sent them a message on July six thousand 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.840 sixteen through Twitter saying, if you have anything Hillary related 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.080 we would want in the next TWEO, which is he 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:41.800 misspelled to days prefab preferably because the DNC is approaching 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.640 and she will solidify Bernie supporters behind her. After Goose 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.800 for two point oh responded, Okay, I see Wiki Leaks explained. 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.600 We think Trump has only a chance of winning against Hillary, 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.759 so conflict between Bernie and Hillary is interesting. So again 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:57.120 Julian Assange coordinating directly with Russian intelligence to try to 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:02.760 drive a wedge between Bernie voters and Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Um, 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:04.839 Now the seth Rich stuff is by far the most 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.000 disgusting thing in here, and yet another reason that I 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:11.920 am very angry at Julia sange Um. The report makes 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:15.000 it incredibly clear that after seth Rich had died, when 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.040 he was receiving documents on the d n C leaks, 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:22.480 he was lying in public press announcements and essentially saying 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:26.319 it might have been seth Rich. Um. So again this 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.520 is and again he's getting all of his information after 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.560 seth Rich is already dead, so he knows it can't 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:34.279 be seth Rich. So on August nine, sixteen, the Wiki 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:37.319 Leaks Twitter account posted announced WikiLeaks has decided to issue 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.279 a US twenty award for information leading to conviction for 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.120 the murder of DNC staff or Seth rich On August, 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.640 Assange was asked in an interview, why are you so 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.800 interested in Seth Riches killer? He responded, We're very interested 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.880 in anything that might be a threat to alleged Wiki 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.160 leaks sources. The interviewer responded to a Sange by saying, 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:55.680 I know you don't want to reveal your source, but 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:57.879 it certainly sounds like you're suggesting a man who leaked 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.759 information to wiki leaks was then murdered. Sang replied, if 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:03.200 there's someone who's potentially connected to our publication and that 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.759 person has been murdered in suspicious circumstances, it doesn't necessarily 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.000 mean that two are connected, but it's a very serious matter. 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.280 That type of allegation is very serious and it's taken 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:15.640 seriously by us. So just to give everybody context, this 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:20.000 is referring to right wing conspiracy theory that this h 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.680 d n C staffer who was murdered in d C 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.319 during the election. Uh, they started the conspiracy theory that 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.680 he was the one who Wiki leaked the documents. He 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:33.640 was the d n C leaguer and was murdered by 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.120 Hillary's murdered by Hillary Clinton, and as San stoked that 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.960 conspiracy theory, which is number one and fathomily cruel to 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:43.200 seth Rich's family at a point at which he knew 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.359 it was not seth Rich, because he was getting he 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.319 was communicating with these people and getting these documents well 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.239 after seth Rich was dead, very obvious to him where 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.480 this had all come from. We know that for a 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:59.240 point of fact, he was lying and stoking a bullshit 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.200 about the the murder of seth Rich in order to 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.760 hurt Hillary Clinton. That seems to have been the primary 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.840 Even more, Yeah, which is the most in a document 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.839 full of despicable things, might be the most despicable thing 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.680 in the entire mold the report. Yeah, especially with Rat's Julian, 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.800 what his family has gone through. And Yeah, just becoming 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.640 this like business like just taking this person's murder for 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:27.680 this political narrative and almost unspeakably evil. Yeah. With regards 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:35.080 to um the Trump campaigns or uh conspiring with coordination 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:39.480 coordination with Wiki leaks. So one of the details that 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.520 we talked about on The Daily Zeitgeist last week or 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:48.520 a few days ago was that if the Trump campaign 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:53.080 had been coordinating with Wiki leaks and wiki leaks like 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.440 or if they have been doing what they did with 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.480 wiki leaks to Goose of Forer, like, if they weren't 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:03.080 that one step removed, then it would have been a 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:07.080 criminal conspiracy. Like do you think they were working with 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:10.480 wiki leaks knowing that wiki leaks was one step removed 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.120 and that protected them politically, And that's why they were 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.640 going through wiki leaks as opposed to just going directly 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.080 to the source. I don't think that they knew. I 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.000 don't think they ever I don't even know if they 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.040 ever thought about it. They just knew that wiki leaks 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:25.280 had this stuff like in in you know, in defense 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.560 of the Trump campaign. Uh, it's entirely possible. They just 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.120 thought Wiki leaks had damning information that they had gotten 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.440 from one of their usual sources and no idea. Now 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:37.280 later on, especially in the after election period, it becomes 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.080 very clear that it was the Russians, and Trump continues 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:41.920 to deny that it was the Russians, even as his 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.280 advisors are being like, it was definitely the Russians. Um, 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:51.120 but they were like they didn't like, the Trump campaign 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:54.319 didn't necessarily know that wiki leaks was getting all their 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:58.879 stuff from the Russian government Wiki leaks almost certainly knew 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.520 what was going on. Lionissange is not a dumb dumb dummy. 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.799 Um yeah, And just since you bring it up, and 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:09.359 maybe we'll get to this later. But the Trump continuing 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:13.480 to deny that it was the hack was Russia? Does 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:18.040 that fall within the scope of Mueller's report? Um? Yeah, 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:20.240 I mean it's in there. And they continued to deny, 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:22.080 like even after it became very clear that there was 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:25.839 Russian involvement. Yeah, that that's included from what Hope Picks 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:28.399 told him. It was because he just could not stay 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.520 the idea of people trying to delegitimize the election, and 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:34.680 because you know, because everything about him is fake. So 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:37.600 his wealth, he can't show you his tax returns because 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:39.759 he's not actually wealthy, and he doesn't want to get 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:41.840 into it because then that will expose him if he 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:44.640 even acknowled. I don't think out of self preservation, he 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:47.480 might not even being able to acknowledge that's what it is, 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.560 because it's like I didn't know. Of course, I didn't 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.960 get help from the Russians. I did it myself. Oh, 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.560 I found the quote that I had from after Trump 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.640 made his open call for to the Russian government to 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.880 hack uh, Hillary Clinton's email. We said, Russia, you know, 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.360 please get us her emails. This is what the Mueller 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.440 report says, word for word. Within approximately five hours of 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:13.000 Trump statement, GRU officers targeted for the first time Clinton's 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:17.040 personal office after candidate Trump's remarks. Unit to six five, 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:18.480 which is the unit of the g RU that was 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.760 doing this, created and sent malicious links targeting fifteen email 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.720 accounts that the domain, including an email account belonging to Clinton. 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.600 To Clinton aid, the investigation did not find evidence of 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.720 earlier GRU attempts to compromise accounts hosted on this domain. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:35.240 Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, the Muller report is incredibly direct 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:39.880 about that, right, Um, so that's why it's total bullshit. Yeah, 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:42.680 which is so funny. Yeah, we went from total exoneration 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:48.120 to total bullshit. Now. The contacts with campaign Trump campaign 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.840 about Wiki leaks section of the Mullar report is heavily redacted. Uh, 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.680 there's a section in there that's literally In debriefing with office, 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:58.200 former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates said that a whole 0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.600 paragraph of redacted from harm to ongoing matter, and then 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:04.600 Gates are called candidate Trump being generally frustrated that Clinton 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.239 emails had not been found. Paul Manafort, who had later 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:10.520 become campaign chairman, an entire paragraph of things is redacted. 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:16.399 So yeah, there's again they may the Trump campaign very 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.359 well may have known who was behind the DNC leagues 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:21.200 and stuff. There's a lot that's redacted there, Like who 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.160 knows what's going on there? Right? Um, I mean with 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.680 regards to Trump saying he doesn't know that it's Russia, 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:32.080 like he's acknowledging that he got help from somebody. He 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.440 just doesn't want it to be Russia for some reason. Yeah, 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.200 and he denied that. And he definitely had contact with 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:40.560 the PETE like in colluded with the people who had 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.080 the Russian hacked documents, but it wasn't directly with the 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:47.960 Russian government. Yeah. The footnotes about Manafort in the in 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:54.520 the in the in the mular report are pretty pretty great. Uh, this, 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.000 this version of it appears like versions of this paragraph 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.520 appear in multiple times. Manafort entered into the police pleagreement 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:02.560 with our office. We determined that he breached the agreement 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.319 by being untruthful in proper sessions and before the grand jury. 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.239 We have generally recounted his version of events in this 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:10.480 report only when his statements are sufficiently corroborated to be trustworthy, 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.840 to identify issues on which Manaforts untruthful responses made themselves 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.680 be of evidentiary value, order to provide Manaforts explanations for 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.239 certain events, even when we were unable to determine whether 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:23.120 that explanation was credible. So basically, Manafort lied so much 0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:25.400 that we couldn't include a lot of what he said because, 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.480 like he there's just nothing you can take out of 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.040 what he Yeah, he's a pro. He's a pro. You know, 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:32.399 he's a great. Lot's amazing when you're so full of ship, 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:36.799 like someone who's even trying to investig I honestly don't 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:40.880 even know this motherfucker said so much bullshit. The former 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.520 head of the FBI is like, he's so full of ship. 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:48.120 I'm almost impressed that he's still breathing. He did a 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:54.200 Yoda voice for an entire session and completely fucked with me, asshole. 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.319 You get it. You really get the feeling that Bob 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.319 Mueller might hate Paul Manafford as much as I do. Oh, 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:02.600 I'm sure. Uh, it's it's pretty great. Now. Much of 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:04.640 the stuff that Trump said to Cohen about Wiki leaks 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.000 is redacted due to ongoing investigations, which is, you know, 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.200 did to the stuff that Maniford said. Cohen and Trump 0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:11.319 both seems to have talked at length about their communications 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:13.520 with Trump about Wiki leaks, but that ship is all 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:17.160 black barred. So here's another heavily redacted paragraph. According to Gates, 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.080 by the late summer two thousand and sixteen, the Trump 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.000 campaign was planning a press strategy, a communications campaign, and 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.480 messaging based on the possible release of Clinton emails by 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:28.080 Wiki leaks. Three or so sentences of redacted stuff, and 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:29.840 then in the middle of a sentence, while Trump and 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:33.400 Gates were driving to Laguardi Airport, fully redacted sentence comma. 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.480 Shortly after the call, candidate Trump told Gates that more 0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:40.919 releases of damaging information will be coming. So again, might 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.279 be some direct ship. This might be some of that 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.200 evidence he was said that that they had of direct cooperation, 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:47.960 or it might be like I don't know, or yeah, 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.319 or that's it went through too many channels to get there, 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:52.359 or it's like, well, yeah, it was this person. Too 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:56.560 much was deleted, you know. Yeah, But what Michael Cohen 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.080 didn't He says like I'll come to the hill and 0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.279 I'll tell I'll tell you everything that I can tell 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:03.200 you that what was probably redacted in there. Yeah yeah, 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.120 Mr Messy, Mr Messy. Well, I mean, look, maybe he 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:08.240 can get a couple of years knocked off his sentence. Yeah, 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.200 maybe maybe he can. Um, and maybe his daughter will 0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:17.200 show up to court with three crutches. Um. There's stuff 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:20.960 about the Trump Tower in Moscow. UH. Most of it's 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:25.040 not super interesting. It seems like it was pretty haphazardly pursued, 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.920 although it is interesting how directly the Russians wanted to 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.919 tie the Trump Tower deal to the election. That part 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:35.080 is interesting. The carrot was that. That's the carrot on 0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:37.640 the stick. I mean yeah, they seem to have tried to. UH. 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.360 On November three, the day after the Trump Organization transmitted 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:44.640 the letter of intent, Felix Sayer emailed Cohen suggesting that 0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:46.960 the Trump Moscow project could be used to increase candidate 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:50.000 Trump's chances at being elected, writing, Buddy, our boy can 0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:52.600 become president of the USA, and we can engineer it. 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.319 I will get all of Putin's team to buy in 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:57.080 on this. I will manage the process. Michael Putin gets 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.600 on stage with Donald for ribbon cutting for Trump Moscow 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:02.880 and don to owns the Republican nomination and possibly beats Hillary. 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:04.960 And our boy is in. We will manage this process 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:06.640 better than anyone. You and I will get Donald and 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.080 Vladimir on a stage together very shortly that the game changer. 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.200 Later that day, sat Up followed up. Donald doesn't stare down, 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.800 He negotiates and understands the economic issues in. Putin only 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.400 wanted to deal with a pragmatic leader. A successful businessman 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.080 is a good candidate for someone who knows how to 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:24.320 negotiate business politics, whatever it is, all the same for 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:27.920 someone who knows how to deal. So that's really direct 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.920 offers from Felix Sayer. But Cohen does not appear to 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:35.120 have said, yes, let's crime in those explicit words. But 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:38.400 again there's like a bunch of offers directly from people 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:40.760 connected to Putin to help with the campaign. We can 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.680 engineer this, Yeah, we can engineer this, because I mean 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:48.440 it's you know, they if you invite it, if you 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:53.240 make it clear that you don't know that this is wrong, 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:56.919 they're just gonna keep making offers, keep going like it's 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:59.760 it's just gonna be NonStop. It's like, you know, have 0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:02.280 a termites and not taking care of it. It's just 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:08.600 gonna They're gonna keep feeding on on the rot until uh, 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:10.959 your house falls down around you and your wife gets 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:13.040 mad at you. Yeah, and you're on the toilet, but 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:16.080 luckily the house collapse neatly around you. Yeah, now in 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.040 there an there, right. Guess I did have a shower 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:23.360 collapse on me once, like the structure. Yeah, yeah, the 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:25.160 roof of the shower fell on me while I was 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:27.000 taking a shower. This isn't like a slum I used 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:28.600 to live. I was about to say, like, knowing you, 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:34.040 you're like, well, it was the shower very late. It 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:35.760 was great that we didn't have a roof in the 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.120 shower for weeks, which was actually okay because it's a 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.400 shower so when it's raining, it's not the biggest deal 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:46.160 in the world. So it was bombay. How are you alive? Oh, 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:51.200 I'm a highlander. India just gained independence alright. So Cohen 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:54.120 does not recall Trump talking directly about the potential impact 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:56.680 the tower project would have have on the election, so 0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:58.880 he apparently he says he didn't bring that to Trump, 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.400 But Cohen does recall conversations with Trump in which the 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.600 candidates suggested that his campaign would be would be or 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.280 that the tower would be an infomers or that they sorry. 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.240 Cohen recalled conversations with Trump and which Trump suggests that 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.160 the camp the political campaign would act as an infomercial 0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:15.880 for his properties, which is some evidence to the idea 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.320 that Trump never expected to win. Yeah, I fully believe. Yeah, 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.240 who knows, but that does make me think that might 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:24.800 have been part of it. Um. There was repeated talk 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.080 of Cohen and candidate Trump visiting Russia, but the trip 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:29.520 never panned out, possibly do in large part of the campaign. 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.920 Outside of the Tower deal, they were numerous attempts made 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:33.880 by Russians to get Trump to attend or speak out 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.600 the St. Petersburg economic form. He turned them all down 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:39.920 due to time constraints. Joseph Miffsud is a Multese national 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:42.200 and a professor at the London Academy of Diplomacy. He 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:45.280 has connections to employees of the Internet Research Agency. Miff 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:48.080 Sud met our old buddy George Papadopoulis in the spring 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:50.520 of two thousand and sixteen, after Papadopolis had become a 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:53.360 policy advisor to the Trump campaign. The two discussed myth 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:56.560 subs mith Sud's European and Russian connections and had a 0:59:56.560 --> 1:00:00.000 discussion about Russia. Mifsud offered to introduce Papadopolis to European 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:03.440 leaders and leaders with contact in the Russian government UH 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:08.160 and essentially, Papadophoulis went on to repeatedly try to set 1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:11.680 up a meeting between Donald Trump and the Russian government. UM. 1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:14.400 After these meetings with myth set, he continuously tried to 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:16.840 do that. It seems that for the most part, he 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:18.960 was just trying to increase his value to the campaign 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.240 by brokering a meeting between the two, like, and there's 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:22.880 a lot of that in here, where like the most 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.720 direct collusion is individual members of the campaign trying to 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:27.480 get Trump in the room with somebody so that they 1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:31.040 can increase their value to the campaign. UM. Which is again, 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:34.200 the only person associated with Trump during the election who 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.720 actually was loyal to him was Michael Flynn. That that 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:41.560 is made repeatedly clear. Papadopolis is just trying to get 1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:45.960 a job after the election. Yeah, it's pretty pretty fascinating. 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:48.880 The most damning evidence of this is Carter Page. He 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:52.320 worked for the Trump campaign from January to September sixteen, 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:55.120 becoming a foreign policy advisor in March. He had worked 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:57.200 in Russia and lived in Russia before, and had direct 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:02.960 contact with Russian intelligence officers. Um. He continuously attempted to, uh, 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:06.160 basically push the Russian government, lying on things like Ukraine 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:08.080 and meetings with the Trump campaign and get the Trump 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:11.320 team to adopt plans that would be like like reducing 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:14.480 sanctions and stuff the Russian government would like. Again, not 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:17.760 direct collusion, other than like you could say carter Page 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:21.960 was colluding, but like not the campaign itself colluding. Um. 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:25.560 This is the guy that Republicans are like, they illegally 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.200 looked into carter Page and they had no right to 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:33.400 do that. Essentially, those PISO warrants, they were right. He 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:37.800 was like overtly criming and working on clearly working on 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:41.320 behalf of Russia. And the fact that intelligence looked into 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:44.040 him doesn't seem that suspicious. No, it seems like you 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.760 would be not doing your job if you didn't look 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:49.960 into carter Page. But that's what's so mind blowing about conservatives, 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:53.520 Like they're actually not They're just ignoring the biggest factual 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:56.800 thing to start with is that a foreign government tried 1:01:56.840 --> 1:02:00.320 to meddle in the way that we elect our president. Yeah, 1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:04.840 regardless of what side. Yeah, and I think that's they're 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:07.960 they completely blow by that to then get it lost 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:11.320 in the weeds of like, oh, Carter Page was really 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:14.920 really unfairly targeted or whatever, rather than like, rather than saying, 1:02:15.040 --> 1:02:17.840 oh my god, this is terrible. What We're not even 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:19.640 able to operate on our own as a country to 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:23.920 choose our leaders. That's weird. Yeah, Okay, So the Trump 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:27.160 Tower meeting, the actual meeting itself does seem to have 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:29.560 really been a nothing burger. Like the Russians, there was 1:02:29.680 --> 1:02:32.480 absolutely corrupt intent and the planning of it. Donald Trump 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.320 wanted to get information on the clampaign directly from the 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.680 Russian government, but none of that was really communicated during 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:40.480 the meeting. It was really just an attempt to get 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:43.360 them to talk about the Magnetski actum And there's a 1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:45.720 lot of evidence that corroborates that they kind of got 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:48.480 tricked into the meeting. Uh Kushner. We actually know that 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:51.280 Kushner sent a message to Manifort during the meeting calling 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.360 it a waste of time, and then message too of 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.400 his assistants to try to get them uh to like call, 1:02:56.720 --> 1:02:59.760 so he had an excuse to leave. I love that. 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:03.320 Our move, yeah, power move. But again there's Donald Trump 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:06.000 Junior might get in criminal trouble for this. This might 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:09.120 be one of the things. There are fourteen ongoing investigations 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:10.880 as a result of the Mulder Report. We only know 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:13.000 what two of them are, and a lot of the 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:15.919 stuff is redacted around the meaning that might be like 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.000 some of it might be because Donald Trump Junior is 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.600 being looked at for it. Um, there's other stuff in 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.000 the report that makes it seems like Mueller is saying 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:27.080 he doesn't think that. Like it's like Donald Trump Junior 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:29.640 was committing a crime but can't be charged for it 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:31.360 because he didn't really know what he was doing and 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:35.080 there was no corrupt intent, innocent by way of stupidity, 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:38.720 by way of stupidity by just like sheer incompetence, which 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:42.200 doesn't sound like my Donald Trump Junior. No, he was 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:46.360 like father calls him like too dumb to live, and 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:49.520 he is he you know when you see the pictures 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.800 of him when he's when he's out in the woods hunting, 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:57.160 I just wish he never left the woods. You're like, 1:03:57.200 --> 1:03:59.640 there goes a dumb guy, and then you read about 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:03.160 his actions and you're like, wow, Wow, it's even worse, 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:06.800 Like how did he just not spontaneously catch fire? For 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:12.680 how does not forgetting to keep breathing? Uh? The So 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:17.080 the twelve investigations fourteen right, fourteen two that we know 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:20.000 about twelve that we don't Yeah, quick maths for you, 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:24.080 like who who are who is looking into those investigations? 1:04:24.080 --> 1:04:26.320 Who's in charge of that? We don't know specifically. Essentially, 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:28.240 what the Muller report says is that while they were 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:31.680 doing their investigations, because they were not making prosecutorial judgments here, 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:35.240 so this was not about them saying like this document 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:37.080 was not about them saying like, we found crimes here, 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.440 but when they found evidence of crimes, um that we're 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:42.960 outside of the scope of the investigation or that like 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:45.600 they weren't pursuing for whatever, they would refer to other 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:49.160 law enforcement agencies. And it happened fourteen times. So the 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:53.600 Mueller investigation is over, but fourteen criminal investigations are ongoing 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.200 elsewhere in the government as a result of things uncovered 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:58.720 in the Muller investigation. We only know about two of them. Again, 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:01.760 that would seem to be a big headline from this 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:06.280 report that it kicked off four teen criminal investigations. But 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.560 you know what, better than not that way, the right 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:10.400 doesn't have time to try and figure out how to 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:12.960 smear that. Yeah, I think we're fine, because William Barr 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:15.360 said so. It's honestly, like some of this is kind 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:17.600 of the opposite of a Nixon, where like Nixon is 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:21.040 this guy who's orchestrating a vast web of crimes and 1:05:21.080 --> 1:05:24.160 then a cover up. And Trump may not have committed 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:27.600 crimes during the election, but everyone around him did, and 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.400 then he committed crimes covering it up. That that kind 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.320 of seems like a lot of what happened here is 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:35.880 that everyone around him was a gross criminal and he 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:39.200 was a dumb guy. And then even though he wasn't 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.680 at risk initially because like he wasn't initially under any 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.000 investigation at all, and the only reason he personally became 1:05:44.080 --> 1:05:47.800 under investigation is because of the obstruction of justice, which 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:53.280 is great presidenting. Yeah, isn't it funny? Like what if 1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:56.760 because it was around Michael Flynn, you know, and if 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:58.760 that was the one guy who had his back, like 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.520 to think like this romantic sense, Trump had Flynn's back 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:06.040 and then causes all this other ship to go down. Yeah, 1:06:06.080 --> 1:06:09.000 there's a little colonel of sweetness there, because you do 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:12.440 get the feeling that Trump kind of likes guy. He's 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:15.360 a good guy. I'm telling you he's a good guy. Yeah, 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:17.280 I mean yeah, I catch him crying in the bathroom 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:19.640 and the only human emotion at the center of this 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:25.440 camp between Trump and Michael Flynn. That's a really good 1:06:25.560 --> 1:06:30.120 I think about romance novel cover Gone with the Flynn. Yeah, 1:06:32.520 --> 1:06:34.440 what do you what do you call your listeners? I 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:40.120 don't your little sons of bitches zekegang in bastard lovers. 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:48.920 Somebody make that art, yeah, somebody, huh yeah, please, someone 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:51.240 make that romance art. Somebody make Gone with the Flynn, 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:53.840 because I really, I mean not that it's totally like that, 1:06:54.000 --> 1:06:56.560 but if there is a version where Trump kind of 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:59.240 gets there is some murky stuff, but really he just 1:06:59.280 --> 1:07:01.920 like he's like, he finally, this is his first friend. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:07.080 This is the first person he's ever done something selfless for. Right, 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:09.240 he just thinks of all the times Michael Flinn like 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:14.240 sincerely laughed at this and remembers everyone's fake laughter. We 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:17.200 were going to go fishing in Montana well, and he 1:07:17.360 --> 1:07:21.280 is a general, so it does fall into the category 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:25.480 of people Trump is capable of respecting. Yeah. I think 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:29.000 that's the only category that might be the only military generals. No, 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:32.560 you know what, he really really fucking likes the attorney 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:37.280 generals who committed uh crimes to protect their presidents. Oh yeah, 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.600 that's true. He did. A big fan of a big 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:41.040 fan of well, I don't know about crimes, A big 1:07:41.040 --> 1:07:44.880 fan of Bobby Kennedy and Eric Holder. Yeah. Yeah, so 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.240 that he that the report repeats like four or five 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.960 times that he's like, where's my Bobby Kennedy? Yeah, exactly. 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:54.080 That he says some variation of like Bobby Kennedy protected 1:07:54.080 --> 1:07:57.840 his brother, like Eric Holder protected Obama. Which also there's 1:07:57.840 --> 1:08:00.960 a part of it where I wonder if like he's 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:04.400 kind of making uh like a like a brother's statement too, 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.880 because he's like Kennedy hired his brother Eric or Obama 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.120 hired Eric Holder, And it's like what are you what 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:14.520 do you say? Are you get? Like you should have 1:08:14.560 --> 1:08:18.080 seen it. I was there. They're all brothers. Like the 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:20.720 way he words it makes me think like there's a 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:22.559 little bit of like a little on the way that 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:31.639 he calls Tim Tim Apple brothers. It's weird. Um, but yeah, 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:34.599 so uh it should come as no surprise to that. 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:37.519 Other than the heavily redacted Roger Stone, the most directly 1:08:37.560 --> 1:08:40.840 criminal member of the Trump campaign staff by far was 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:46.559 Paul man Afford, who cannot avoid committing crimes. Um, Like, 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:50.760 I think he would shut down if he had to stop. Um, 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:52.719 there's a lot of yeah, this is this is where 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:56.080 we get to the stuff about Constantine clinic. Uh, like 1:08:56.120 --> 1:09:00.760 them sharing polling data and whatnot. A cigar bar right day, 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:02.519 You know, it doesn't say it was that. That was 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:05.200 another one. I remember Rick Gates and Manafort went with 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:08.040 somebody at a cigar. I think Paul Manafort has spent 1:09:08.120 --> 1:09:11.440 most of his waking hours and cigar bars. Yeah. Yeah, 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:15.960 And he's the most carcinogenic thing in he makes the 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:19.679 cigars around him say yeah, like yeah. He keeps getting 1:09:19.680 --> 1:09:22.160 trouble in prisoner, like are you smoking in me? It's 1:09:22.240 --> 1:09:25.160 just like coming off his poise, Like I know, just 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:30.960 s if he stops committing crimes, he would immediately catch cancer. First. 1:09:31.160 --> 1:09:36.680 He's like the bus from speed but with I have 1:09:36.760 --> 1:09:39.120 to break sixty laws a minute. Something has to be 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:42.320 poisonous about me. It's either my actions or the way 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:46.720 my cells are dividing. Yeah. Um, so we already got 1:09:46.760 --> 1:09:49.439 over a lot of the Paul Manafort stuff. There's a 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:51.040 great quote in here that I want to read. The 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:54.000 Office reviewed numerous Maniford email and text communications and ask 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:56.760 President Trump about the plan in written questions. The investigation 1:09:56.800 --> 1:09:59.599 did not uncover evidence of Maniforts passing along information about 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:01.640 Ukraine in peace plans to the candidate. This was the 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:04.519 plan to give Russia control of Eastern Ukraine or anyone 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:07.400 else in the campaign or administration. The Office was, however, 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.800 not able to gain access to all of Manafort's electronic communications. 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:14.240 In some instances, messages were sent using encryption applications, and 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:16.439 while Manafort denied that he spoke to members of the 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:19.120 Trump campaign or the new administration about the peace plan, 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:21.360 he lied to the Office and the Grand Jury about 1:10:21.360 --> 1:10:23.200 the peace plan and his meetings with Columnic, and his 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:26.000 unreliability on this subject was among the reasons that the 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:29.080 district District judge found that he had breached his cooperation agreement. 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:31.880 So we don't know that Paul Manafort went to the 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:35.240 president and said, we we can work with Russia. They'll 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:37.760 help us out if we give them eastern Ukraine. But 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:41.360 Mully goes out of his way to say I can't 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.599 say that that didn't happen because Paul Manafort lies about 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:47.960 literally everything and deleted all of his communications with the campaign. 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:51.479 And this goes back to the big question that I've 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:55.040 always had that I think is one of the strangest details, 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:59.280 is that, well, I'm sorry I got so much while 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:04.479 Russia is, you know, intervening on behalf of the Trump campaign. Uh, 1:11:04.880 --> 1:11:10.439 the Republican platform for at the two thousand sixteen R 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:15.400 and C suddenly adjust to and to incorporate a very 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:18.280 pro Russian stands. But that was something in the report 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:21.479 the language from lethal aid too. I forget exactly what 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:23.360 they used, but they like soften the language of the 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:26.320 aid we were providing the Ukrainian government against the Russian backs. 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:28.280 But wasn't there something in the mother report that actually 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:31.400 said that they couldn't find that strong connection between the 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:36.040 platform change and some kind of direct like uh, stimulation 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:39.559 prodding from the Russians. It doesn't say that it just 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:43.080 like I think it's at least from my recollections, this 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:45.280 didn't make it into my notes. But like they went 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:48.120 into a lot of detail about how that changed, and 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:51.280 they talk about maniforts communications with the campaign, but they 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:54.680 don't have a smoking gun that's definitely clear. Oh, just more. 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:56.720 I guess the way they summed it up was there 1:11:56.720 --> 1:12:01.320 are several prominent contacts but were innocuous. Yeah, it's it's 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:03.000 again one of those things where like a lot of 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:05.200 stuff was deleted. We don't we don't know what was 1:12:05.320 --> 1:12:07.559 what was said there. But also it could have just 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:10.280 been that Paul Manafort was pushing a pro Russian lying 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:14.479 on Ukraine, so was uh what's named Carter Page. So 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:16.760 we're other people in contact with the campaign, and like 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:20.680 it may have been those people repeatedly stating their opinions 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:22.880 that caused some of the softening of the campaign, which 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:24.880 isn't illegal. Yeah, no, I mean it just sounds like 1:12:24.920 --> 1:12:27.320 there's also they did a good job of having many 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:30.360 ways to create pressure around it to guide people in 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:32.240 a certain direction, and they did a lot of good 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:35.320 atmospheric pressure creating. So they're saying a lot of people 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:38.240 provide like applied pressure and a lot of people were 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:41.120 talking about it. They couldn't say that directly that there 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:43.320 was a they could actually draw a line to that 1:12:43.360 --> 1:12:46.120 platform change in some kind of communication with somebody, aside 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:48.479 from the fact that many people were kind of but 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:51.559 innocuous is a very strong word, isn't It Doesn't that 1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:55.160 mean like not harmful or offensive? So I guess that 1:12:55.680 --> 1:12:59.080 could just mean legally not something. Yeah they just said, 1:12:59.160 --> 1:13:01.920 I couldn't really else something on like even though it 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:03.920 looks like that on their service, like oh suddenly there 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:07.639 aren't like the platforms changing, but they just there weren't 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:12.160 those stronger connections. Points to the nature of this whatever 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:13.960 you want to call it, whether or not it's a 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:17.160 conspiracy with with you know, Nixon, which is our other 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:20.040 political touchdown of this kind of corruption. It was very 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:23.479 much emanating from the center, whereas the corruption here was 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:26.559 all pushing towards Trump, who appears to have just been 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.559 kind of focused on improving his brand and shouting at 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:33.000 people and like, whereas the Russians would were reaching to 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:36.240 everyone around him, and a lot of those individual people 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:38.599 did stuff that was unethical or straight up criminal as 1:13:38.680 --> 1:13:41.600 result of the Russians reaching out to them. Um, but 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:44.879 it was not a coordinated effort between the campaign and Russia. 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:48.759 So rather than one gigantic crime, it was a million 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:53.000 kind of tiny half crimes that create one big that 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:57.200 created and wouldn't have created a crime in regards to 1:13:57.439 --> 1:13:59.640 Donald Trump, although again you know it's possible that he 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:03.080 had some contact with Manafort, like which again the document, 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:07.320 but like the crime was specifically started in large part 1:14:07.400 --> 1:14:10.040 when Trump was like started obstructing the hell out of 1:14:10.120 --> 1:14:12.519 some justice, which is why he wasn't under investigation until 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:15.400 that point. Um, because of his love for Michael Flynn, 1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:19.760 because of his his deep and honestly they're bros to 1:14:19.880 --> 1:14:22.759 hear that, like, especially when everyone else is such a snake. 1:14:23.320 --> 1:14:29.760 That's Michael and so ship out of luck to all 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:33.439 of this too, Like he's fucked, He's got no money. Yeah, 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:36.280 his like his son is like come on man, yeah, 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:40.000 fucking dad. Like even Donald Trump's like he's a good man, 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:44.360 you know, one of the great. You do hate Flynn 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:46.840 less than everyone else involved in this. And I say 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:50.559 that as someone who deeply dislikes Michael Flynn, Right, that's 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:53.040 what's so odd about it all. There's at least a 1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:56.559 kernel of like redeeming human loyalty and Michael Flynn he 1:14:56.720 --> 1:15:00.360 was so direct talking to Russian studios like I'll do 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:03.479 it I'll do it. I'll do the work I gotta do. Yeah. Um, 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:05.160 but he was also trying to get rich to so 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:09.960 he he also was let off fairly easy for somebody 1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:14.559 who was like directly undermining. Yeah, Like he's not going 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.360 to get anything close to the worst penalty that comes 1:15:17.360 --> 1:15:19.360 out of this that will hopefully be a manafort and 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:23.479 ought to be manifort. Yeah. And like the thing is 1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:26.960 like Flynn wasn't involved long enough to get at that 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:29.320 point much priming done because there's mostly all of his 1:15:29.400 --> 1:15:32.799 interactions with the ambassadors and like being a Turkish agent 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:34.880 and those other things that he's mostly in trouble for 1:15:35.360 --> 1:15:37.920 and being just a good solid bro, good solid bro, 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:41.080 you know. So uh, it's speaking of people who are 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:44.160 caught committing crimes that are evident stuff in the Mular Report. 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:48.200 Let's talk about Eric Prince, my favorite. So, Eric Prince 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:51.320 testified to Congress that he met with Kirol Dmitri of 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:54.040 only once during his trip to the Seychelles, where they 1:15:54.439 --> 1:16:01.559 talked about stuff they wanted to do. Um. So uh 1:16:02.360 --> 1:16:04.719 he testified that I only met once. The Molar Report 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:08.519 reveals that they met on two separate occasions, including one 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:10.760 in which he attempted to get the Russian government to 1:16:10.840 --> 1:16:13.800 change the course of an aircraft carrier and send it 1:16:13.840 --> 1:16:16.000 away from Libya so that they wouldn't interfere with things 1:16:16.040 --> 1:16:18.679 that were going on in Libya, which is again evidence 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:22.720 that Palm or that Erik Prince lied to Congress about 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:26.800 the extent of his conversations with Karl dmitriev um, which 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:31.719 I think is pretty cool. Also that Steve Bannon seems 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:34.320 to have been the guy orchestrating the whole meeting, and 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:39.000 that Bannon seems to have been giving Eric princes marching orders. However, Uh, 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:42.120 Prince deleted all of his text messages and so we 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:44.840 don't know the exact extent of what Bannon was ordering 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:49.559 him to do or what they were asking to talk about. Um. 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:53.639 So again, uh, probably something shady with Bannon there, um, 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:55.920 although one part of it is that Bannon was just 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:58.320 trying to get Prince something to do and didn't really 1:16:58.320 --> 1:17:00.200 care about what went on there, which is like, yeah, 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:01.800 you go go meeting the say shehells with this guy. 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:05.360 He's like Eric, Eric loves just getting on both loves 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:08.400 and stuff, having James Bond meetings and stuff, say shells. 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:10.360 That sounds like it sounds like a James Bond place. 1:17:10.400 --> 1:17:12.080 Get him out there. Did you see that in Meddi 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:16.320 Hassan interview? Oh god, yeah, that was so cringing. And 1:17:16.439 --> 1:17:17.840 he's like, so, what were you doing the stay show? 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:22.880 I was like, ah, just meetings, meeting anyway. He liked 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:25.559 the Congress. That's what you said. That's what you say. 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:28.320 That's what you says. But I don't know what it's like. No, 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:32.479 I'm reading the court transfer according to you. No, that's 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:39.320 what you said transcript in what language? All right? Never mind? 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:42.920 So their Portarso reveals that Rick Garrison, a hedge fund 1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:45.400 manager and friend of Jared Kushner, also worked with Karl 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:48.000 Dmitriev to put together a plan for better relations between 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:50.120 Russia and the US. One of the results of this 1:17:50.479 --> 1:17:53.400 was the meeting after Trump became president between him and 1:17:53.479 --> 1:17:56.400 Vladimir Putin. Uh. They put together a list of like 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:59.320 things to talk about during the meeting that apparently seems 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.519 to have been used as like the minutes for that meeting. 1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:06.360 Most of its pretty banal stuff like we're improving relations 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:09.080 and like cooperation to fight terrorism and all that sort 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:13.000 of stuff. YadA YadA, YadA. Um. Garrison's interests seems to 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:15.840 have disappeared after the financial deal he was working with 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:20.519 Demitrio fell apart um, which again goes into the general 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:23.280 pattern you see around like with the people who are 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:27.799 around Trump, um, which is that, uh, everyone in Russia 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:30.040 had a very specific set of goals with like in 1:18:30.120 --> 1:18:32.600 terms of lifting sanctions and in terms of Ukraine that 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:35.080 we're trying to get people around Trump to push, whereas 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:37.120 everyone on the Trump side of things was working on 1:18:37.120 --> 1:18:39.439 their own personal goals, like like Garrison didn't give a 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:41.719 shit about what was discussed in the meeting. He wanted 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:43.680 to set the meeting up because it would get him 1:18:43.680 --> 1:18:45.640 in good with Demitriovs that they could make like a 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:49.639 financial transaction essentially. Um. So everyone on the Trump side 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:54.599 of things had their own, very like niche personal interests 1:18:54.640 --> 1:18:57.360 at heart, and Russia was pushing a couple of very 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:00.360 specific lines. You know, we want sanctions lifted, we went 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:03.360 control of eastern Ukraine. Um, we don't want Hillary Clinton 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:07.200 to be president. Like, Russia was very focused the whole time. 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:10.760 Everyone around Trump, except for Michael Flynn, was focused on 1:19:10.920 --> 1:19:14.960 like their own personal careers. Yeah, and Russia's that's how 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:19.120 Russia uses people as they find out what your motivation is, 1:19:19.200 --> 1:19:21.960 what your fears are, and then you know, find ways 1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:23.800 to make you do what they want. And if you 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:26.400 have enough people who are just so self serving, it's 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:29.240 like it's like chumming the waters. And there's a hundred 1:19:29.240 --> 1:19:32.120 sharks tethered to Trump, so naturally that that's gonna d 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:36.280 pull all these fucking creatures in one direction. A hundred 1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:44.559 sharks and one dolphin named Michael just gets. Also, one 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:47.080 of Kushner's Russian contacts gave him a bag of dirt. 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:50.080 I thought that was funny, like a literal bag, a 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:52.479 literal sack of dirt from the town in Belarus where 1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:55.559 his family came from. Oh that's that's pretty fun He 1:19:55.680 --> 1:20:03.040 was like, here's dirt on see that Joe made. I 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:07.880 should have brought the emails. I also like that if 1:20:07.920 --> 1:20:09.519 the sac of dirt the guy who rises just a 1:20:09.600 --> 1:20:13.160 total scum lords like just anything like, yeah it is 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:15.360 from your town man, Yeah, yeah, that's from where your 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:18.360 family comes from. One there by on foot, like is 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:23.880 there an old fantom bottle cap in? So the explanation 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:25.719 in the Mullar report for why the June ninth Trump 1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:28.880 Tower meeting probably wasn't a crime. It's really interesting to me. Quote, 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:32.040 there are reasonable arguments that they offered information would constitute 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:34.120 a thing of value within the meaning of these provisions, 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:36.040 which is the provision that determines whether or not the 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.439 law was broken and setting up this meeting. But the 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.559 Office determined that the government would not be likely to 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:43.360 obtain and substain a conviction for two other reasons. First, 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:45.680 the Office did not obtain a missible evidence likely to 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:48.040 meet the government's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt 1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:51.120 that these individuals acted willfully i e. With general knowledge 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:53.840 of the illegality of their conduct. And second, the government 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:56.880 would likely encounter difficulty improving beyond a reasonable doubt that 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.400 the value of the promised information exceeded the threshold of 1:20:59.400 --> 1:21:03.320 a criminal vi elation. How do you monetarily attach the 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:07.360 value to Hillary damaging internation on Hillary Clinton? That's why 1:21:07.840 --> 1:21:10.280 we don't know if Donald Trump Junior and Kushner committed 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:13.320 a crime and organizing emmy. I would say, just if 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:15.320 someone told me you'll have a I have a hard 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:19.160 drive full of hacked Hillary Clinton emails, I would imagine 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.120 that the price tag just to start off, you'd be 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:26.519 like ten grand Tim Grant at the low end. The 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:28.240 low end, I mean, I know people who do dift 1:21:28.240 --> 1:21:30.640 for less. But like I think, all right, well, I 1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:34.000 guess realistically, if I wonder if there is a way 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:38.120 you could, it's too abstract a trends. And also you 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:41.000 don't so you're going blind. You don't know what's on 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.280 the emails, what's in the emails. The look, bro, I 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:46.200 got these emails, any one them or not? And Grant 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:48.360 it could because it could just all be Hillary Clinton 1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:51.960 talking about her charity if prints for me. Yeah, that's 1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:55.880 what a lot of her emails were. It is Prince Princess, 1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:59.080 I don't like to read on my computer screen. Yeah, 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:02.840 she's an old lady who doesn't like computers. Um. So, 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:06.439 the Mueller report states, after that paragraph I just read, 1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:09.040 the Special Counsel's office decided not to charge Donald Trump 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:12.160 Junior or other campaign officials for the meeting. But then 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:15.280 the next three pages are redacted due to an ongoing investigation, 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:18.559 which again seems to suggest that someone else might charge 1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:20.599 Trump Junior for what he was doing in that meeting 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:26.080 at some other point. Um, because the investigation is still ongoing. Um. 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:29.040 The two of like of the fourteen allegations of potential 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:31.280 crimes that the Mueller investigation headed off handed off to 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:33.960 other departments. The only two we know of are Michael 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:38.559 Cohen and Greg Craig, who was a former Obama Council 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:41.120 like White House counsel to President Obama. But Craig was 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:43.519 not charged for his work during the Obama administration. He 1:22:43.600 --> 1:22:45.720 was charged for acting as an unregistered agent of the 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.479 Ukrainian government in the past before he came to work 1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:50.960 for Obama. Um. So those are the two of the 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:53.000 fourteen that we know what they are. And this is 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:55.920 the end of part one because Part two of the 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:58.160 Mueller Report is what comes up next. And so now 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:02.600 we're going to talk about struct in prove it. But 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:05.559 Sophie says it's time for an ad break. Oh my god. 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:11.479 So first off, Sophie, Yeah, whoa, I threw the bagels. 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:14.879 Robert just threw Sophie across the room and into the wall. 1:23:15.240 --> 1:23:17.800 Holy ship. Stop calling her a bag of bagels. Yeah, 1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:22.320 that's that's pretty pretty hard, pretty harsh. Um. Yeah, man, 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:25.160 you're gonna you're moving product in this episode. I'll tell 1:23:25.160 --> 1:23:29.120 you what I am moving product as well as tossing bagels. Um. 1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:33.280 Buy things. Here we go, guys, we're gonna take a 1:23:33.360 --> 1:23:42.280 quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:45.240 and we're back. Sorry, Jacket is really trying to take 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:52.320 over this podcast. Where can people find you? That later? 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:59.200 But first, Robert, what's something from your search history? Good question? 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:03.120 What is instruction of justice one of the many things 1:24:03.160 --> 1:24:06.400 Donald Trump and I actually have in common? We have 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:08.479 a surprising number of things a common. Yeah, he and 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:12.639 I had the same literary agent one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:17.679 Trump's literary Yeah, he's thanked in one of his books, 1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:21.759 Bird Bird and Waxman. Well, like, no, it's just what happens. 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:24.639 You work, you work with whoever. He wasn't president yet, 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:28.479 you have to say that. Uh? And then would he 1:24:28.520 --> 1:24:32.920 got three? Wrote songs about our relatives. Yeah, he wrote 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:34.320 a song about what do You Got Through? Wrote a 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:40.000 song about how Donald Trump's dad refused to uh let 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:43.200 black people stay in his buildings? Uh? And what do 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:45.599 You Got Through? Wrote a song about my relative, pretty 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:48.080 boy Floyd, for beating a cop to death with a 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:52.240 log chain for cursing at his wife. Wow, yeah, that's 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:54.640 pretty cool man. Pretty boy grabbed a log chain and 1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:57.000 the deputy grabbed his gun, and in the fight that followed, 1:24:57.000 --> 1:25:02.280 he laid that deputy down dozens sort of a cross rhyme. 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:05.519 But uh yeah, hey, look when you're pretty clear, abou 1:25:05.520 --> 1:25:10.439 a guy who beats somebody to chain the rhyme? Um, 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:16.479 I like your uncle's story better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shouldn't 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:19.120 be cursed in front of pretty boy Flood's wife. I've 1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:22.920 always said that you have now. The second part of 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:25.840 the Mueller report opens by noting that it is specifically 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:28.439 not ruling on whether or not there was obstruction of 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:31.559 justice because to do so, among other things, undermine the 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:34.799 president's ability to be president. Uh and also in general, 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:37.720 because the Special Council can't make rulings on such things 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:39.760 because it would be like a separation of powers. Thing. 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:42.640 One thing I've seen people say is that this is 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:48.720 essentially Mueller's argument as to why Congress should impeach Um. 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:51.320 And that's a pretty fair summation of things, because Mueller 1:25:51.400 --> 1:25:55.760 is essentially saying, I can't declare the president guilty of 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:57.360 a crime. And there's a number of reasons that are 1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.919 more complicated that I that I I'm just not competent 1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.599 to get into um. But it's not my job it's 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:06.040 not the special counsel's job, it's not the FBI's job. 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:09.840 Congress needs to look like, make a decision. And here's 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:11.680 my case for why. There's a lot of evidence of 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:14.640 obstruction of justice. And I do think that is the 1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:18.280 fairest way to sum up Part two as saying, here's 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:22.800 a bunch of evidence the president obstructed justice. Congress, do 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:27.679 your job. I'm handcuffed, so just you know, but here's 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:31.120 this whole instruction manual. Yeah. I've seen some articles from 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:35.400 more right wing publications where they're like Mueller dropped the 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:39.120 ball by not saying that Trump didn't obstruct justice. He 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:41.479 should have like made a decision one way or the other. 1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:44.400 It's about two hundred pages of that are basically like, 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:48.280 I can't say that he committed obstruction of justice, but 1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:50.680 if I could say that, I would. But here's a 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:56.400 description of him obstructing justice. Here's about how he obstructed justice. 1:26:56.880 --> 1:27:00.880 Huh yeah, alright, let's say murder. But he said beat 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:06.040 a guide to death with a change change, So all right, well, yeah, 1:27:06.080 --> 1:27:08.000 maybe it's not a murder. I'm gonna quote from the 1:27:08.080 --> 1:27:13.440 Mueller report here. Quote. Uh. First, traditional prosecution or delineation 1:27:13.479 --> 1:27:16.920 decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:19.799 but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:22.120 The Office of Legal Counsel has issued an opinion finding 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:24.960 that the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting president 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:27.880 would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:31.920 perform its constitutionally assigned functions and violation of the constitutional 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:35.160 separation of powers. So again, that's Mueller's explanation for why 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:37.880 he's not going to say whether or not a crime 1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:40.360 was committed. Um, But he does go out of his 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:42.479 way to say that the president can still be charged 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:46.439 with the crime after leaving office and dicted after leaving office. Uh. 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:49.240 And then he notes this, if we had confidence, after 1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:51.439 a thorough investigation of the facts, that the president clearly 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:54.599 did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state, 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:59.120 which is the second time in the report that he 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:01.719 says accordingly, Well, this report does not concluded the president 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:05.400 committed a crime. It also does not exonerate him. Repeated 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:10.960 word for word on three different times, says this does 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:15.519 not exonerate the president. So that's cool. It's like he's 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:18.240 trying to tell us, the evidence we obtained about the 1:28:18.240 --> 1:28:21.679 president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that present prevent 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:26.280 us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. The 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:29.080 evidence we found of crimes makes it difficult to say 1:28:29.120 --> 1:28:40.719 that there were no crimes. Yeah, uh cool, so yeah, 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:44.800 so I mean, you know, Congress can look into it. Yeah, 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:49.040 I mean, that's that's what's so also frustrating about just 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:53.760 how conservative media chooses to just ignore these things for like, 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:56.120 just I think all they can do is point to 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:59.639 the fact that Donald Trump isn't in jail and saying like, well, 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:02.360 if he did something wrong, be in jail. So even 1:29:02.360 --> 1:29:04.679 though there's all this stuff like no, but you're also 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:07.760 ignoring the fact that I'd imagine if Robert Mueller was 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:10.200 brought up to the Hill and asked, like, if this 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:13.880 were a private citizen, does this look like regular straight 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:19.679 up crime to you, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:23.360 it's crime. Yeah. The Mueller investigation makes a lot, says 1:29:23.400 --> 1:29:27.040 a lot about the anger President Trump felt when Jeff 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:32.240 Sessions recused himself. Talks repeatedly about his multiple, multiple constant 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:35.519 attempts to get Jeff Sessions to unrecuse himself. A word. 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:40.200 I don't know if existed. It's always in quotation marks, 1:29:40.200 --> 1:29:41.960 and I'm not I think he might have coined that 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:47.320 to which it's a word. Now, well, why can't why 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:52.400 can't my dog undie daddy? Yeah, he's never had a dog, Yeah, 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:56.640 I know, but I had yeah yea. Uh. Now, the 1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:59.720 President's remediately made all of his problems worse by trying 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:01.840 to co worse people into saying he wasn't in trouble. 1:30:01.960 --> 1:30:05.080 I'm gonna read this next paragraph, which is about sort 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:09.599 of him trying to get Comy to to uh go 1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:13.200 after or to stop going after Michael Flynn because there's 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:16.160 some there's some beautiful shade in there. In the following days, 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:18.360 the President reached out to the Director of National Intelligence 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:20.280 and the leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency and the 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:22.559 National Security Agency to ask them what they could do 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.000 to publicly dispel the suggestion that the President had any 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:28.960 connection to the Russian election effort or Russian election interference effort. 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:32.400 The President also twice called Comy directly, notwithstanding guidance from 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:35.280 again his lawyer to avoid direct contacts with the Department 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:37.360 of Justice. It goes out of its way to be 1:30:37.439 --> 1:30:40.400 like the law President's lawyer said don't do this, and 1:30:40.439 --> 1:30:45.480 the president did this. Um. There's a lot of fascinating 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:48.920 information and here about how Trump manages a team during 1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:52.320 a crisis. UM. And honestly, this chunk of the report 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.280 is worth everyone reading in full. I am going to 1:30:54.360 --> 1:30:57.240 read another quote about a meeting he had with Lewandowski. 1:30:57.920 --> 1:30:59.960 The president asked about the status of his message for 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:06.040 Sessions to limit the Special Council investigation to future election interference. Lewandowski, Yeah, 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:09.439 he wanted to limit the Muller investigation to future Russian 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:13.160 in Yeah, exactly. I just saw this movie with Vandam 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:15.600 Time Cop. Yeah, like any Time Cop it to the 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:20.120 next lection. But that doesn't make I don't think was 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.240 that known that he was trying to get it to be. 1:31:22.640 --> 1:31:24.400 I think this might be one of the new things 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:26.439 that we learned in the investigation. What does that even 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:29.720 mean that he wanted to me investigate if they can 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:31.800 do it in the future. Don't talk about what they 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:34.920 did in just talk about what they might do in 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:42.240 very specific request for someone who committed no crist That's 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:43.760 one of the things that makes me think he did 1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:45.920 commit direct crimes. I'm kind of on the fence about 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.479 like whether or not his behavior inten prior to the 1:31:49.520 --> 1:31:53.040 obstruction of justice was like direct cooperation because it's kind 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:58.080 of hard to say, um, or maybe they don't realize 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.920 that this is something that was happening way four like 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:04.280 like well five years. We might want to look at 1:32:04.320 --> 1:32:08.400 making your president. Yeah, like it's entirely possible, Like I 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:12.679 I just don't I just don't know. But it's none 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:15.960 of us, none of us. It seems like, just just 1:32:16.200 --> 1:32:23.479 don't know. Yeah, uh so, um, yeah, this is great. 1:32:23.640 --> 1:32:25.600 Further attempts to have the Attorney General take control of 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:29.679 the investigation. Uh In early summer two seventeen, the President 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:32.000 called Sessions at home to again ask him to reverse 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:34.880 his recusal from the Russia investigation. Sessions did not reverse 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:37.719 his recusal. In October two seventeen, the President met privately 1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:39.600 with Sessions in the Oval Office and asked him to 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:42.759 take a look at investigating Clinton. In December two seventeen, 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:46.080 shortly after Flynn pleaded guilty pursuant to a cooperation agreement, 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:48.600 the President met with Sessions in the Oval Office and suggested, 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:51.080 according to notes taken by a senior advisor, that if 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:54.160 Sessions unrecused and took back supervision of the Russia investigation. 1:32:54.360 --> 1:32:57.360 He would be a quote hero, the President told Sessions, 1:32:57.360 --> 1:32:59.320 I'm not going to do anything or direct you to 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:02.040 do anything. I just want to be treated fairly. In response, 1:33:02.040 --> 1:33:04.600 Sessions volunteered that he had never seen anything improper on 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.320 the campaign and told the president there was a whole 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:10.960 new leadership team in place. He did not unrecuse, So 1:33:11.400 --> 1:33:14.880 it's like four times just there. The Special Council notes 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:17.519 that it did not make a traditional prosecutorial judgment again 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:19.640 about the President's behavior, but states that the evidence they 1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:22.240 found supports a few general statements about him, most of 1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:24.559 which boiled down to he may have obstructed justice, but 1:33:24.600 --> 1:33:26.960 it's hard to say since the evidence suggests he doesn't 1:33:26.960 --> 1:33:30.040 commit he didn't commit the underlying crime, but actively, you know, 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:35.680 did act to damage the investigation. UM. So yeah, that 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:39.600 that that's repeatedly stated. Um. The President ultimately refuses to 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:42.519 be interviewed as the result of investigation, but provided some 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.920 written answers. H Muller gives an explanation as to why 1:33:46.040 --> 1:33:48.320 the or he did not choose the subpoena the president 1:33:48.360 --> 1:33:51.320 to force the investigation. Ultimately, while we believe that we 1:33:51.360 --> 1:33:53.599 had the authority and legal justification to issue a grand 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:56.240 jury subpoena to obtain the president's testimony. We chose not 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:57.880 to do so. We made that decision and view of 1:33:57.920 --> 1:34:00.639 the substantial delay that such an investigative step likely produced 1:34:00.600 --> 1:34:03.160 at a late stage in our investigation. We also assessed that, 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:05.160 based on the significant body of evidence we had already 1:34:05.160 --> 1:34:07.439 obtained on the president's actions and his public and private 1:34:07.439 --> 1:34:10.799 statements describing or explaining those actions, we had sufficient evidence 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.040 to understand relevant events and to make assessments without the 1:34:13.040 --> 1:34:19.799 president's testimony. Yeah. Uh, there's a lot of really heavily 1:34:19.800 --> 1:34:22.840 redacted paragraphs in this part, the most interesting of which 1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:26.600 is this one. Uh. Within the Trump campaign aids, this 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:29.600 is about the DNC hacks. AIDS reacted with enthusiasm to 1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:33.240 reports of the hacks. Sentence redacted. Discussed with campaign officials 1:34:33.240 --> 1:34:35.719 that Wiki Leaks would release the hacked material. Some witnesses 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:38.719 said that Trump himself discussed the possibility of upcoming release 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:42.599 releases a couple of words redacted. Michael Cohen, then executive 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:45.400 vice president of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump, 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:48.840 recalled hearing two or three sentences redacted. Cohen recalled the 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:53.439 Trump responded, oh good, all right, and sentence redacted. Manafort 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:56.679 said that shortly after Wiki leaks July two thousand sixteen 1:34:56.760 --> 1:34:59.519 release of hacked documents, he spoke to Trump. Sentence redacted, 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:01.840 man fort and these are all redacted due to an 1:35:01.840 --> 1:35:05.479 ongoing case. Manafort recalled that Trump responded that Manafort should 1:35:05.520 --> 1:35:09.599 sentence redacted, keep Trump updated. Deputy campaign manager Rick Gates 1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:11.600 said that Manafort was getting pressure from a couple of 1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:14.559 words redacted information, and that Manafort instructed Gates a couple 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:18.320 of words redacted, uh status updates on upcoming releases. Around 1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:20.080 the same time, Gates was with Trump on a trip 1:35:20.120 --> 1:35:23.240 to an airport. Sentence redacted, and shortly after the call ended, 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:25.760 Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information will 1:35:25.800 --> 1:35:28.880 be coming. Sentence redacted. We're discussed within the campaign and 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:31.040 the summer of two sixteen, the campaign was planning a 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:34.280 communication strategy based on the possible release of Clinton emails 1:35:34.280 --> 1:35:36.559 by Wiki leagues. There it seems to be that sounds 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:42.679 like cooperating crime happening. Just the number of redactions. Yeah, 1:35:43.720 --> 1:35:47.200 that's some That's the sketchiest paragraph in the whole thing. 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:52.200 Um At least that to my eyes, we should make 1:35:52.240 --> 1:35:55.360 a mad Libsler report. We should make a mad Lives 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:57.479 of the Muller Report. I'm just gonna use the word 1:35:57.479 --> 1:36:02.160 but yeah, but far yeah, most fartu Gate was Gates 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:03.920 with was with Trump on a trip to the airport. 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:06.200 Far far far far far fart fart, and shortly after 1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:08.080 the call end, Trump told Gates that more releases of 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:11.200 damaging information will be coming. Fart fart, fart, fart. We're disgusted. 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:13.240 Yeah that works, no or just but no, just make 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:16.040 a sentence. So it's the most damning because he speaks 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:19.040 knowledgeably about what wicked Leaks is about to do, basically 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:25.200 like yeah, right, yeah, yeah, just like we talked about. Yeah, 1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:27.760 oh good, this this thing that I know is happening. Good. 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:31.680 So Paul came through on that. Yeah, good man of 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:35.679 Fort um So. My favorite story, and maybe the whole 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:38.360 Molder report, is the tale of Donald Trump's lunch with 1:36:38.439 --> 1:36:43.280 Chris Christie after firing Flynn. Now, this is on February four, seventeen, 1:36:43.280 --> 1:36:47.200 the day after Flynn resigned. Um So, Trump had lunch 1:36:47.200 --> 1:36:49.679 at the White House with just Chris Christie. Quote. According 1:36:49.680 --> 1:36:52.000 to Christie, at one point During the lunch, the President said, 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:54.519 now that we fired Flynn, the Russia thing is over. 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:58.280 Christie laughed and responded, no way. He said, this Russia 1:36:58.320 --> 1:36:59.920 thing is far from over, and we'll be here on 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:02.920 Valentine's Day two thousand to eighteen talking about this. The 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:05.639 President said, what do you mean Flynn met with the Russians? 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:08.839 That was the problem. I fired Flynn. It's over, Christie recalled, 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:11.280 responding that based on his experience both as a prosecutor 1:37:11.320 --> 1:37:13.880 and as someone who had been investigated, firing Flynn would 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:16.360 not end the investigation. Christie said there was no way 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:18.479 to make the investigation shorter, but a lot of ways 1:37:18.520 --> 1:37:21.120 to make it longer. The President asked Christie what he meant, 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:23.680 and Christie told the President not to talk about the investigation, 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:26.200 even if he was frustrated with at his time. At times, 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:28.240 Christie told the President that he would never be able 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.120 to get rid of Flynn like gum on the bottom 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:32.080 of your shoe. Towards the end of the lunch, the 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:34.080 President brought up Comy and asked if Christie was still 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:36.799 friendly with him. Christie said he what was. The President 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:38.600 told Christie to call Comy and tell him that the 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:41.360 President really likes him, tell him he's part of the team. 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:43.240 At the end of the lunch, the President repeated his 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:45.720 request that Christie reach out to Comy. Christie had no 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:48.559 intention of complying with the President's request that he contact Comy. 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:51.839 He thought that the president's request was nonsensical and Christie 1:37:51.840 --> 1:37:53.280 did not want to put Comy in the position of 1:37:53.320 --> 1:37:56.880 having to receive such a phone call. This is one 1:37:56.920 --> 1:37:59.160 of like five times the President tells someone to talk 1:37:59.200 --> 1:38:00.920 to Comy or someone else to try to get them 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:03.080 to do something, and that person just doesn't do it. 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:05.920 It's like yeah, okay, And just like again, it's like 1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:07.960 with McGann when he's like fire Muller and he's like, 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:11.519 I'm packing my ship. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonen yea. 1:38:11.680 --> 1:38:14.920 This is nuts, like really previous, but I'm not doing 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:16.960 this crazy ship. And I just love that. Like Christie 1:38:16.960 --> 1:38:20.600 specifically tells Mueller, I've been investigated for crimes, so I 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:24.080 know what to do and it's nothing. Also, I just 1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:27.200 love that his Also Trump is so confused because he's 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:30.320 used to this corporate thing. He's like, what Michael was stealing? 1:38:30.520 --> 1:38:34.240 Fire him? Okay, good, that's that's delt yeah, like and 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:38.320 now it's like, oh, it's not over. What do you mean, Yeah, 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:41.000 I mean his Christie's advice is good, Like, you can't 1:38:41.080 --> 1:38:43.680 you can't shorten the investigation, but you can make it 1:38:43.720 --> 1:38:47.599 longer by committing crimes, So don't do. And then again, 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:49.720 who knows. Without it would have been like if you know, 1:38:49.880 --> 1:38:52.000 if Jared Kushner wasn't in the way of Chris Christie 1:38:52.040 --> 1:38:56.200 actually joining the White House Chris, it definitely seems like 1:38:56.280 --> 1:38:59.080 Trump would have handled all of this better if Christie 1:38:59.080 --> 1:39:01.280 had been closer to you know. When you also think 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.439 about it, he doesn't listen to anyone, so it could 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:08.559 have been a holographic ghost of his father. Christie McGann 1:39:08.640 --> 1:39:11.080 might have taken the same lift away from the White House, 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:16.080 like you know. So the report heavily corroborates Comy's claims 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:17.840 that Trump cleared out the room to speak to just 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.559 him about letting Flynn go, a decision that could definitely 1:39:20.560 --> 1:39:23.080 be seen as a serious attempt to influence the investigation. 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:26.479 Um he talks to other people besides Coney. That also 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:29.920 lists Comey's notes and stuff. It definitely seems like based 1:39:29.960 --> 1:39:34.280 on everything the the Mueller investigation dug up. Comey's recitation 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:36.560 of events while he was head of the FBI is 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:42.880 very credible, um the uh Mueller investigation and seems to 1:39:42.880 --> 1:39:46.720 be concluding that, like what Trump did was obstruction in 1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:49.360 this specific instance, although again it doesn't call it that 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:53.479 because it's not going to make a prosecutorial judgment. Um. Well, 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:56.160 the president said he hoped Comy could let let Flynn go, 1:39:56.320 --> 1:39:59.120 rather than affirmatively directing him to do so. The circumstances 1:39:59.120 --> 1:40:01.320 of the conversation show that the President was asking Comey 1:40:01.400 --> 1:40:03.519 to close the s v I S investigation into flint 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:09.719 like and so it began pretty clear. Yeah, Trump repeatedly 1:40:09.720 --> 1:40:12.680 whined about the investigation during intelligence briefings that comes up 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:15.200 that like he would be talking about like isis and something, 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:18.000 and he'd start whining about the investigation, and the briefers 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:20.519 didn't know what to do about it, Like they were like, 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:25.439 I'm not going to comment, I don't really okay, right, Yeah, 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:28.120 you have like someone from like this CI what about 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:31.920 this Russia bullshit? Huh. Yeah. He did repeatedly complain that 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:34.920 the Muller investigation was making his job as president impossible. 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:36.960 But it seems like everyone he worked with besides him 1:40:37.000 --> 1:40:39.160 was trying to move on and just do their jobs, 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:41.800 and he was the one that couldn't get rid over it, 1:40:42.400 --> 1:40:46.040 which I find interesting. Um, if he had been able to, 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:48.240 most of the bad behavior in this section would not 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:50.880 have occurred. Uh yeah. On at least two occasions, the 1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:53.400 President began the Presidential Daily Briefings by student that there 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:55.200 was no collusion with Russia and he hoped to press 1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:57.960 statement to that effect could be issued. Pompeo, head of 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:00.439 the CIA, recalled that the President vented about the investigation 1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:02.719 of multiple occasions, complaining that there was no evidence against 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:06.400 him and that nobody would publicly defend him. Um. Yeah, 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:11.080 that's it's it's pretty wild. Michael Flynn would have defended me. Yeah, 1:41:11.120 --> 1:41:15.479 he sure what a buddy, He sure would have um his. 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:18.439 Trump repeatedly badgered Comy in other Department of Justice officials 1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:21.000 to announce that he was not under investigation. They tried 1:41:21.000 --> 1:41:23.320 to explain to him why this was a bad idea, 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:27.479 but he did not listen to them. Trump basically used 1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:29.960 compe firing Comey as an excuse to note that on 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:32.599 three occasions, the FBI director told him that the President 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:35.839 was not under investigations, Like it seems like his primary 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:38.719 reason in firing Comy is that Comey wouldn't state publicly 1:41:38.760 --> 1:41:41.000 that he had told the President that he wasn't under investigation, 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:43.920 and Trump used the firing memo as an excuse to 1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:48.559 say that, Um, yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty wild. 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:51.479 The Molar report definitely seems to be concluding that the 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:54.320 firing of James Comy may have also been an example 1:41:54.439 --> 1:42:00.920 of obstruction of justice. Um, so that's pretty cool. What 1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:06.479 versions are? What version of the report are you looking at? 1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:12.000 Do you do you fucking think we'll believe? Now? What version? 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:14.639 Because we know for a fact Trump is not reading 1:42:14.680 --> 1:42:17.800 the report? No, good god, no, no, it's a thing. 1:42:17.920 --> 1:42:21.559 We're probably not reading an entire article about the report. 1:42:22.000 --> 1:42:26.320 Um there's a chance he might be might have listened 1:42:26.320 --> 1:42:30.160 to bars entire summary, but like, what, what do you 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:33.400 think he knows? Because it does seem like across the 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:37.360 days after the day after the report, he started calling 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:41.240 some of the details bullshit, Like I just wonder, we've 1:42:41.280 --> 1:42:46.400 never had a president who can't or won't read before? What? 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.639 How how is the information coming to him? Like how 1:42:49.720 --> 1:42:53.280 is he digesting? Is it just foxes? It seems like 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:56.160 he mostly gets it from Fox News, right, That's been 1:42:56.600 --> 1:42:59.880 the past, But this is like such a specific doc 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:03.200 he meant, and it's so dense that like, I just 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:06.040 I'm curious like that. I mean, I'm sure there'll be 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.320 another book where someone talks about how they had to 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.960 like dumb it, like cliffs notes it or just highlight. 1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:14.960 This doesn't talk about how Trump gets his information, but 1:43:15.000 --> 1:43:18.200 it does talk about how relentlessly when he's interested in something, 1:43:18.840 --> 1:43:21.920 like he was incapable of not asking everyone around him 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:23.800 to try to get Comy to drop the Flynn thing 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:26.880 when that was his focus. And then like when he 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:30.080 wanted someone to say that he wasn't being investigated, he 1:43:30.080 --> 1:43:32.200 brought that up to every single person he talked to, 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:35.360 because again, he's kind of incapable of listening to people, 1:43:35.840 --> 1:43:38.400 especially when there's something on his mind like this. Right, 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:42.519 I bet there's a lot of conversations happening where he 1:43:42.640 --> 1:43:45.679 implies that he's read the Muller Report, but everybody knows 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:50.479 he hasn't. He's like, what do you think of it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:55.880 remember page I remember that part that was right? I mean, 1:43:55.920 --> 1:44:04.960 total bullshit. Um. So the fact that like the so 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:07.960 the report notes that the firing of James Comey would 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:11.519 was never like going to close the investigation and could 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.920 not have, which is a mark in the president's defense. Um, 1:44:14.960 --> 1:44:17.599 it seems accurate to say that Trump's intent in firing 1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:20.040 Comey was to punish him for not openly stating that 1:44:20.080 --> 1:44:22.439 he Trump was not being investigated more than it was 1:44:22.439 --> 1:44:25.800 an attempt to disrupt the investigation. That seems to be 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:29.120 the conclusion that the Mulder report makes. Uh. The analysis 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:31.639 of whether or not the President obstructed justice gets really 1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:34.040 interesting after this point in the report. It notes that 1:44:34.200 --> 1:44:36.439 his talk to Comy about the loyalty pledge, if you'll 1:44:36.439 --> 1:44:39.160 remember his asking Comy to be loyal does support the 1:44:39.160 --> 1:44:40.720 fact that he was trying to put the kabosh on 1:44:40.760 --> 1:44:44.880 the investigation. Um. But then it basically says that Mueller, Yeah, 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:47.160 I'm just gonna read this quote because it's pretty remarkable. 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:49.360 As described in Volume one, the evidence uncovered in the 1:44:49.400 --> 1:44:52.040 investigation did not establish that the President or those close 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:54.439 to him were involved in the charge Russian computer hacking 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:57.280 or active measure conspiracies, or that the President otherwise had 1:44:57.280 --> 1:45:01.759 an unlawful relationship with any Russian official. But the evidence 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:05.639 does indicate that a thorough fd FBI investigation would uncover 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:08.479 facts about the campaign and the president personally that the 1:45:08.520 --> 1:45:11.000 President could have understood to be crimes or that would 1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:15.200 give rise to personal and political concerns. So he's saying that, like, 1:45:15.560 --> 1:45:18.439 we didn't find any evidence of a conspiracy with Russia, 1:45:18.960 --> 1:45:21.880 but the evidence suggests that the reason the president was 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:24.559 so worried about the investigation is because he committed a 1:45:24.600 --> 1:45:27.240 bunch of other crimes that he was worried wouldn't be revealed. 1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:32.960 That's Comey stating that as directly as he can. Um. Mueller, 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:38.960 Mueller staging that. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of 1:45:39.000 --> 1:45:44.040 circling back on a detail that we talked about earlier. Um, 1:45:44.080 --> 1:45:47.719 just in terms of like Trump and the people around 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:53.760 him having direct Russian ties. Somebody was pointing out, and 1:45:53.800 --> 1:45:56.519 this is a detail that I hadn't really heard. I 1:45:56.520 --> 1:45:58.559 think it was Andrew Sullivan was pointing out in the 1:45:58.600 --> 1:46:03.000 Intelligence or the New York Magazine thing that in the 1:46:03.080 --> 1:46:08.280 days immediately after the election, uh Putin and a lot 1:46:08.320 --> 1:46:13.000 of Russian officials were scrambling to try and get access 1:46:13.280 --> 1:46:17.000 to Trump. So that's kind of the best argument I've 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:21.200 seen for why like the at least the idea that 1:46:21.280 --> 1:46:27.280 like there was some deep, deeply tied in uh conspiracy 1:46:27.439 --> 1:46:31.040 like probably isn't true like all the unless it's tempening 1:46:31.080 --> 1:46:36.240 through people around him right there. Yeah, yeah, because I don't. Yeah, 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:39.120 it's hard to be like Trump fully knows the full 1:46:39.160 --> 1:46:43.000 extent of everything, knows like just enough to be to 1:46:43.080 --> 1:46:45.839 know how to move, but not enough to seem completely 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:47.559 on the hook for anything. And I think that some 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:49.400 of that might be the Russian government giving him too 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:51.320 much credit, because knowing what we know now, if I 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:53.280 was the Russian government, I was trying to influence him, 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:55.280 I would just have I would just reach out to 1:46:55.280 --> 1:46:57.240 someone on Fox News and get them to talk about 1:46:57.240 --> 1:46:59.840 the president should let Russia have Eastern Ukraine? Like that, 1:47:00.000 --> 1:47:01.559 you don't even you don't need to talk. He doesn't 1:47:01.560 --> 1:47:04.000 listen to people who talked to Like I'm gonna guess 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:05.880 that's what Putin learned in their meeting, is that like, 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:09.320 oh my god, this guy can't pay attention. Hear me, 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:11.800 He's just talking about Comey, who the fund is? James 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:14.920 to me, like a hand of that? Would you say 1:47:14.960 --> 1:47:18.320 that the investigation is not into me? Like right? Yeah? 1:47:18.880 --> 1:47:22.080 Um so uh it talks about for a while about 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:24.679 how he repeatedly tried to file the special counsel McGan 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:29.080 after McGann refused to uh talk about how they were 1:47:29.160 --> 1:47:32.720 conflicts of interest between Robert Mullen. What Trump thought was 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:35.439 a conflict of interest is that Mueller had interviewed for 1:47:35.560 --> 1:47:38.200 the head of the FBI job and not gotten it, which, 1:47:38.240 --> 1:47:42.599 like everyone else was like, that's not conflict of interest. 1:47:42.600 --> 1:47:44.000 And he was like, you got to tell people about 1:47:44.000 --> 1:47:46.160 this conflict of interest. But it wasn't even that, but 1:47:46.200 --> 1:47:50.920 it's not. It was the golf course thing too. Oh wait, wait, wait, 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:52.720 wait where he was like, Robert Muller tried to get 1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:54.760 into one of the golf courses. Oh that's not in here. 1:47:54.800 --> 1:47:56.920 Wait is that another one of them? Or maybe I 1:47:56.920 --> 1:48:00.639 missed it, look at but I'm one of the other 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:03.080 things that was he was pointing to was like he's 1:48:03.120 --> 1:48:04.880 mad that he he tried to get into like a 1:48:04.920 --> 1:48:08.880 club and didn't or some other it was something. It 1:48:08.960 --> 1:48:12.000 was like, what you're also putting that layer on top 1:48:12.000 --> 1:48:15.759 of it. Beautiful that that is a very Trump story, 1:48:16.120 --> 1:48:19.120 Trump March three, But we have conflicts. I have a 1:48:19.200 --> 1:48:22.200 nasty business transaction with Robert Mueller a number of years ago, 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:25.400 I said, why isn't that mentioned? He wants the job 1:48:25.439 --> 1:48:29.280 as FBI director. I mean, these are things that are 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:32.479 out there, they know it. Why isn't that and I 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:36.520 didn't give it to him? Why isn't that mentioned? Wow? 1:48:36.880 --> 1:48:39.880 But what about the membership fees for Trump National Golf Course. 1:48:40.000 --> 1:48:43.080 I think that's the nasty business transaction that he's talking about. 1:48:43.800 --> 1:48:47.560 Bob Mueller couldn't golf at a mediocre golf course, or 1:48:47.640 --> 1:48:50.200 it was it was a dispute over fees or okay, 1:48:50.320 --> 1:48:55.120 so it wasn't so okay. Robert Mueller's family was members 1:48:55.160 --> 1:48:58.759 of the Trump National Golf Course. He said, we actually 1:48:58.800 --> 1:49:01.240 we're not even using the membership anymore. We'd like to 1:49:01.280 --> 1:49:03.400 cancel it. Can we get some more membership fees back? 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:10.120 And they did, right, okay, but that was like pretty damning, 1:49:10.240 --> 1:49:13.680 Well this changes everything. Yeah, let's just throw this, you 1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:16.400 know what. I'm sorry we wasted everyone's time listening. I 1:49:16.439 --> 1:49:18.519 believe that a man was shot, who was shot in 1:49:18.560 --> 1:49:25.720 combat for his country, would would because because golf club membership, 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:31.800 of golf club membership, he recouped uh. And that I 1:49:31.840 --> 1:49:35.599 do think that is more than anything a window into 1:49:35.640 --> 1:49:38.680 trump psyche, because that is totally something he would do. 1:49:38.800 --> 1:49:42.640 Trump would burn this country down if someone somebody oft 1:49:43.160 --> 1:49:47.920 refund for yeah, oh yeah yeah. Now you probably have 1:49:48.040 --> 1:49:52.240 run into some of some quotes from pieces of Trump's 1:49:52.280 --> 1:49:55.520 reaction when he was first told about the special counsel investigation. 1:49:56.080 --> 1:49:58.160 I want to read that little bit in full because 1:49:58.200 --> 1:50:00.360 it's it's good for the soul, and we could all 1:50:00.439 --> 1:50:03.800 use that. At this point, the President learned of the 1:50:03.840 --> 1:50:06.880 special council's appointment from Sessions, who was with the President, Hunt, 1:50:06.880 --> 1:50:09.759 and McGann during conducting interviews for a new FBI director. 1:50:10.000 --> 1:50:11.960 Session stepped out of the Oval office to take a 1:50:11.960 --> 1:50:15.080 call from Rosenstein, who told him about the special council appointment, 1:50:15.080 --> 1:50:17.599 and Sessions then returned to inform the President of the news. 1:50:17.800 --> 1:50:20.160 According to notes written by Hunt, when Sessions told the 1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:22.799 President that a special council had been appointed, the President 1:50:22.880 --> 1:50:25.639 slumped back in his chair and said, oh my god, 1:50:25.880 --> 1:50:28.280 this is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:31.879 I'm fucked. The President became angry and lambastad the Attorney 1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:34.639 General for his decision to not recuse the investigation, stating, 1:50:34.800 --> 1:50:37.320 how could you let this happen? Jeff The President said 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:39.839 the position of attorney General was his most important appointment 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:42.240 and that Sessions had let him down, contrasting him to 1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:45.200 Eric Holder and Robert Kennedy. Sessions recalled that the President 1:50:45.200 --> 1:50:47.280 said to him, you were supposed to protect me, or 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:50.280 words to that effect. The President returned to the consequences 1:50:50.280 --> 1:50:52.320 of the appointment and said, everyone tells me that if 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:54.800 you get one of these independent councils that ruins your presidency, 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:56.759 it takes years and I won't people to do anything. 1:50:56.920 --> 1:50:58.760 This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me. 1:50:59.280 --> 1:51:01.800 The President told Sessions he should resign as attorney General. 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:05.040 Sessions agreed to resubmit his resignation and left the Oval office. 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:08.000 Hicks saw the President shortly after Sessions departed and described 1:51:08.000 --> 1:51:11.160 the President as being extremely upset by the special counsel's appointment. 1:51:11.479 --> 1:51:13.360 Hicks said that she had only seen the President like 1:51:13.400 --> 1:51:16.000 that one other time, when the Access Hollywood tape came 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:23.559 out during the campaign. H chefs, Ah, it was it. Uh, 1:51:24.200 --> 1:51:27.920 Eric Ericsson maybe was the one. So I'm trying to 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:30.080 think of the person. Oh no, it was someone from 1:51:30.120 --> 1:51:35.920 Gateway Pundit. I think Jim Hofft who said that that line. 1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:40.040 The reason why the president acted responded, I'm fucked, it's 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:42.519 over is because he knew that the deep state had 1:51:42.560 --> 1:51:49.000 now initiated a coup against him, and that was the reason. Yeah, 1:51:48.320 --> 1:51:52.439 m cool. It's just funny to see like the ways 1:51:52.720 --> 1:51:55.599 there like journalists on the right or trying to answer 1:51:55.600 --> 1:51:58.240 a rationalizing Oh yeah, it wasn't because he did anything wrong, 1:51:58.280 --> 1:52:00.200 because he knew the deep state was gonna suck and 1:52:00.400 --> 1:52:04.040 the whole thing. So yeah, yeah, there's also just such 1:52:04.720 --> 1:52:09.000 child like little child vibes to it. This is the 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:12.800 worst thing that's ever happened to me. And there's a 1:52:12.840 --> 1:52:15.599 lot about this that led to like you just hear 1:52:15.640 --> 1:52:18.840 how much how little trust everyone around the president has 1:52:18.920 --> 1:52:22.360 for him. Um So, Sessions gave in his resignation papers, 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:25.720 but Trump ultimately didn't ask him to resign yet, but 1:52:25.760 --> 1:52:28.360 the President kept his resignation left letter, and then Rerines 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:30.840 previous was like, Jeff, you gotta get that letter back. 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:32.640 It's going to be The words he used was a 1:52:32.640 --> 1:52:35.400 shot caller on the Department of Justice's neck, Like you 1:52:35.439 --> 1:52:39.559 have to take that back. Um So, the president tried 1:52:39.600 --> 1:52:42.559 to argue that Mueller interviewing for the Yeah, yeah, So 1:52:42.560 --> 1:52:44.240 the President tried to argue that Muller interviewing for the 1:52:44.280 --> 1:52:46.479 director of the FBI job was a conflict of interest. 1:52:46.800 --> 1:52:49.880 Steve Bannon told him that was ridiculous and petty. Like 1:52:50.560 --> 1:52:55.439 Steve Bannon called it petty because at least he's somewhat 1:52:55.479 --> 1:52:59.160 in touch with the version of reality. Some people are engaged. 1:52:59.200 --> 1:53:01.200 You have to be to be a good propagandists have 1:53:01.240 --> 1:53:04.280 to at least know what the world is. You'll be like, yeah, man, 1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:08.559 I'm telling you, cupcakes are making our kids all freaky 1:53:08.680 --> 1:53:13.200 and ship. Like what it's speaking of cupcakes making our 1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:18.000 kids all freaky and ship. We have some products now 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:22.960 for freak cakes. Freak cakes, they make your kids unhealthy 1:53:23.080 --> 1:53:26.880 and think for themselves by umb. So, if you how 1:53:26.920 --> 1:53:28.599 much money are we getting from the freak cakes people, 1:53:31.680 --> 1:53:36.920 usually high number. First, your diamond encrusted grill says freak 1:53:36.960 --> 1:53:40.400 cakes on it. Well, let me tell you about freak cakes, miles, 1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:45.000 the only cakes that clean your teeth. Now, we're getting 1:53:45.000 --> 1:53:48.160 a lot of pushback from big Dental here every morning, 1:53:48.240 --> 1:53:52.160 dentists outside my door, picketing, fighting, fire bombing my windows. 1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:54.439 That's why I've got those diamond girls on the Wendows, 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:59.400 so funk with big dentistry and buy some freak cakes. 1:54:05.360 --> 1:54:09.760 We're back. Speaking of us being back, here's more of 1:54:09.960 --> 1:54:13.719 the Mueller report. Are you dead inside yet? Back? Because 1:54:13.800 --> 1:54:15.840 Trump got stabbed in the back by the Deep States? 1:54:16.200 --> 1:54:20.559 Sure did? Nice Jack, Jack returning on this round. I'm 1:54:20.560 --> 1:54:23.040 going to robot everything you say. Oh boy, well, you're 1:54:23.080 --> 1:54:24.920 gonna have to about everything Mueller says, because you got 1:54:24.960 --> 1:54:27.599 a we got a big mule quote here good, I'm ready. 1:54:27.800 --> 1:54:30.880 So the President repeatedly hammered McGann, his lawyer, to try 1:54:30.920 --> 1:54:33.680 and get to try to get McGann to call the 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:37.120 Department of Justice and tell Rod Rosenstein that Mueller had 1:54:37.160 --> 1:54:40.320 to go. Uh. This next paragraph paints a very vivid 1:54:40.320 --> 1:54:43.080 picture of what it's like working for Donald Trump. When 1:54:43.080 --> 1:54:45.320 the President called McGann a second time to follow up 1:54:45.360 --> 1:54:47.200 on the order to call the Department of Justice, McGan 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:49.480 recalled that the President was more direct, saying something like 1:54:49.600 --> 1:54:52.080 cal Rod, tell Rod that Mueller his conflicts and can't 1:54:52.120 --> 1:54:54.960 be the special counsel. McGan recalled the President telling him 1:54:55.120 --> 1:54:57.160 Mueller has got to go. Call me back when you 1:54:57.200 --> 1:54:59.440 do it. McGann understood the President to be saying that 1:54:59.480 --> 1:55:02.240 the special counselor had to be removed by Rosenstein. To 1:55:02.480 --> 1:55:04.920 end the conversation with the president, McGan left the president 1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:07.680 with the impression that McGann would call Rosenstein. McGan recalled 1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:09.480 that he had already said no to the President's request, 1:55:09.520 --> 1:55:11.640 that he was worn down, so he just wanted to 1:55:11.680 --> 1:55:14.440 get off the phone. McGann recalled feeling trapped because he 1:55:14.480 --> 1:55:16.560 did not plan to follow the president's directive, but did 1:55:16.560 --> 1:55:18.080 not know what he would say the next time the 1:55:18.080 --> 1:55:21.040 President called. McGann did decided he had to resign. He 1:55:21.080 --> 1:55:22.960 called his personal lawyer and then called a chief of 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:26.440 staff and Annie Donaldson, informer of his decision. He then 1:55:26.520 --> 1:55:28.640 drove to the office to pack his belonging to submit 1:55:28.720 --> 1:55:31.600 his resignation letter. Donaldson recalled him again, told her the 1:55:31.640 --> 1:55:34.560 President had called and demanded he contact the Apartment of Justice, 1:55:34.840 --> 1:55:36.600 and that the President wanted him to do something that 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:39.360 McGann did not want to do. McGann told Donaldson that 1:55:39.400 --> 1:55:41.480 the President had called at least twice and and asked 1:55:41.520 --> 1:55:45.200 in one of the calls, have you done it just 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:50.360 real quick? Um? Because I have I listened to the 1:55:50.480 --> 1:55:54.080 slow burn about the Clinton Lewinsky affair and the just 1:55:54.120 --> 1:56:02.160 the Watergate investigation and the level of intrigue and just 1:56:02.960 --> 1:56:10.080 Clinton doing bad things is so minimal that and the 1:56:10.160 --> 1:56:13.920 Republicans freaked out about that for ten years in a 1:56:14.040 --> 1:56:17.120 row basically and still are and still are freaking out 1:56:17.160 --> 1:56:21.680 about it. And they have the balls to, uh say 1:56:21.760 --> 1:56:27.760 that call our interest in this guy who can't who 1:56:27.880 --> 1:56:31.520 can't stop committing crimes. They have the balls to call 1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:35.320 that Trump derangement syndrome. I just wanted to put perspective 1:56:35.360 --> 1:56:38.680 stop when crimes, when his employees who have a vested 1:56:38.680 --> 1:56:42.520 interest in his political success, repeatedly say please, don't do anything, 1:56:42.840 --> 1:56:46.120 You're not in danger, and then he endangers himself demanding 1:56:46.160 --> 1:56:48.680 that they commit crimes, calling them at all hours of 1:56:48.680 --> 1:56:52.280 the day, call Rode and say Mueller has to go. 1:56:52.520 --> 1:56:57.640 He has conflicts, those conflicts again just like that, Yeah, 1:56:57.760 --> 1:57:00.280 what was the problem. That's not how it works. What 1:57:00.320 --> 1:57:04.440 do you mean? So McGann later told rens Prebus when 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:06.120 he was still trying to resign, that the President had 1:57:06.160 --> 1:57:08.720 asked him to do crazy ship and seems to have 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:11.000 been on the verge of resigning, but eventually did not 1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:13.840 in the President eventually dropped the issue because again he 1:57:13.880 --> 1:57:16.600 has the attention span of a fourteen year old um 1:57:16.640 --> 1:57:18.560 as to whether or not this is collusion. While the 1:57:18.560 --> 1:57:20.600 President claimed he was just asking McGann to bring up 1:57:20.640 --> 1:57:23.120 Mueller's possible conflicts of interest to the Department of Justice, 1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:26.920 but and then the mole Report notes that some evidence 1:57:26.960 --> 1:57:30.120 does support this, but quote substantial evidence, however, supports the 1:57:30.160 --> 1:57:32.720 conclusion that the President went further and in fact directed 1:57:32.760 --> 1:57:35.480 McGann to call Rosenstein to have the special counsel removed, 1:57:35.720 --> 1:57:40.080 which again his substruction of justice. The report notes that 1:57:40.120 --> 1:57:42.800 the president's conversations with numerous other people during this period, 1:57:43.000 --> 1:57:45.480 including Prebus and Chris Christie, showed that he had an 1:57:45.520 --> 1:57:48.680 intense desire to, in the president's words, knock out Mueller. 1:57:50.040 --> 1:57:52.600 Kind of fun to think of mullotyping all that out now. 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:54.600 The evidence shows that the President was not just seeking 1:57:54.640 --> 1:57:57.520 an examination of whether conflicts of interest existed, but was 1:57:57.560 --> 1:57:59.640 instead looking to use asserted conflicts as a way to 1:57:59.720 --> 1:58:03.440 termine the special counsel. So again, the conclusion by the 1:58:03.480 --> 1:58:06.680 Muller Report is basically, the president committed obstruction of justice, 1:58:06.680 --> 1:58:09.040 but we we can't say that because that's not in 1:58:09.040 --> 1:58:11.800 the scope of this thing. Here's this outlining the obstruction 1:58:11.840 --> 1:58:15.080 he committed. Here is a detailed description of him committing 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:18.560 obstruction of justice. Yeah. Also, that's a good it's a 1:58:18.760 --> 1:58:22.840 good snapshot of what life is like for people who 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:25.440 work for Donald Trump. It's also a good testimony to 1:58:25.680 --> 1:58:28.960 how to deal with a shitty boss. Just say yeah, yeah, 1:58:28.960 --> 1:58:31.960 sure boss, and then don't do the terrible idea he's 1:58:31.960 --> 1:58:35.320 telling you to do. That's that almost always works. Oh yeah, 1:58:35.680 --> 1:58:40.960 it every day. Fuck you, Miles, Yes, sir, I'm going 1:58:41.000 --> 1:58:44.280 to get right away. Yeah. And and speaking of that, Jack, 1:58:44.480 --> 1:58:48.080 there's another great detail of that later in the report 1:58:48.240 --> 1:58:51.800 on again. This is like a December of two thousand seventeen, 1:58:51.920 --> 1:58:55.360 after Flynn pleaded guilty of him hammering Jeff Sessions again 1:58:55.400 --> 1:59:00.160 to unrecus According to contemporaneous notes taken by Port, the 1:59:00.160 --> 1:59:02.560 President said, I don't know if you could unrecuse yourself, 1:59:02.600 --> 1:59:04.440 you'd be a hero. Not telling you to do anything. 1:59:04.520 --> 1:59:07.120 Dershowitz says, potus can get involved, can order a g 1:59:07.280 --> 1:59:09.240 to investigate. I don't want to get involved. I'm not 1:59:09.240 --> 1:59:10.960 going to get involved. I'm not going to do anything 1:59:11.080 --> 1:59:12.840 or to reckue to do anything. I just want to 1:59:12.880 --> 1:59:17.680 be treated fairly. Huh. Yeah, Now, the report does seem 1:59:17.760 --> 1:59:19.800 to suggest that Trump's constant attempts to get Sessions to 1:59:19.840 --> 1:59:23.040 unrecuse himself were, in fact acts of obstruction, do they 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:25.120 And they use quotes there too when they sound recused 1:59:26.120 --> 1:59:30.320 in that instance, let me see yes, okay, yeah, so 1:59:30.360 --> 1:59:32.760 I like so that really is like a shade move. Yeah, 1:59:32.840 --> 1:59:35.600 that's a shade move. This is not a word in 1:59:35.680 --> 1:59:43.560 Trump vocabu you will unrecuse yourself. Yeah, So the report 1:59:43.560 --> 1:59:45.600 does seem to conclude that Trump's constant attempts to get 1:59:45.640 --> 1:59:48.960 Session to unrecuse we're in fact acts of obstruction. Uh, Like, 1:59:49.000 --> 1:59:52.080 I've seen the quotes every time, every time, every time 1:59:52.560 --> 1:59:56.760 recused himself. He seems very irritated by this point. There 1:59:56.800 --> 2:00:02.920 is Yeah, he's one. Just is fun this guy. He 2:00:03.600 --> 2:00:06.760 really frustrated at the President and at Paul Manafort. Yeah yeah, 2:00:07.000 --> 2:00:09.960 well I hear he's reading the report for audible. So 2:00:11.240 --> 2:00:16.879 that's gonna be Roberta. We actually are having handling on 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:19.200 behind the bastards soon. But we're not We're not talking 2:00:19.240 --> 2:00:22.120 about Trump. We're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna finally talking 2:00:22.120 --> 2:00:24.640 about how he nailed the NFL. We're gonna finally get 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:28.000 that Mao episode out. Bob Mueller seemed like the guest 2:00:28.080 --> 2:00:30.280 for that. He's actually, if you heard his type five 2:00:30.320 --> 2:00:34.320 down at the Comedy Factory, really solid. I was surprised 2:00:34.320 --> 2:00:36.600 he was doing so well with the prop bits. But yeah, 2:00:36.720 --> 2:00:41.040 he's actually, yeah, he's little racy, but uh yeah, right, yeah, 2:00:41.360 --> 2:00:44.080 really racy. It's like, yeah, well, because he says racy 2:00:44.160 --> 2:00:46.600 and then pulls out an inflatable race car. Yeah, yeah 2:00:46.680 --> 2:00:48.520 he does. It's a good joke. It's a good it's 2:00:48.520 --> 2:00:50.680 a good it's an afro on it. Yeah, that's what. 2:00:55.280 --> 2:00:57.760 The report does seem to suggest that Trump's constant attempts 2:00:57.760 --> 2:01:00.480 to get Sessions to unrecuse himself were in act acts 2:01:00.480 --> 2:01:03.240 of obstruction. Quote. There's evidence that at least one purpose 2:01:03.280 --> 2:01:05.440 of the President's conduct towards Sessions was to have Sessions 2:01:05.440 --> 2:01:08.040 assume control of the Russia investigation and supervise it in 2:01:08.040 --> 2:01:11.160 a way that would restrict its scope. A reasonable inference 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:13.200 from those statements and the president's actions is that the 2:01:13.240 --> 2:01:15.680 president believe that an unrefused Attorney General would pay a 2:01:15.680 --> 2:01:17.960 protective role and could shield the president from the ongoing 2:01:18.000 --> 2:01:24.680 Russia investigation. Um. Yeah, uh, it's constantly interesting to me, 2:01:25.320 --> 2:01:29.120 how little loyalty and like is shown by the people 2:01:29.160 --> 2:01:33.960 who are close to President Trump. Um. Yeah, uh. He 2:01:34.040 --> 2:01:36.800 asked Rob Porter, the White House staff secretary, to deliver 2:01:36.840 --> 2:01:39.200 the president's demands to Rigan that he don McGan that 2:01:39.240 --> 2:01:41.560 he denied publicly the President had ever tried to fall 2:01:41.720 --> 2:01:46.240 fire Mueller. Um. McGann dismissed that like the threat that 2:01:46.280 --> 2:01:48.880 he would be fired if he didn't deliver this by 2:01:48.920 --> 2:01:50.720 saying that it would look bad for the president if 2:01:50.760 --> 2:01:52.960 he did this, and McGann turn him down again. So 2:01:52.960 --> 2:01:55.400 again he keeps ordering McGan to break the law, and 2:01:55.480 --> 2:01:58.720 Began doesn't break the law. And that's part of why 2:01:58.880 --> 2:02:02.120 the case against him as an clearer because people didn't 2:02:02.160 --> 2:02:10.480 listen when he repeat, these are lawyers. Yeah. McGann acknowledged 2:02:10.520 --> 2:02:12.360 that he had not told the president directly that he 2:02:12.360 --> 2:02:15.520 planned to resign, but said that the story was otherwise accurate. 2:02:15.560 --> 2:02:17.720 The President asked McGann, did I say the word fire? 2:02:17.800 --> 2:02:20.840 McGan responded, what you said is Calrod Rosenstein tell Rod 2:02:20.840 --> 2:02:23.080 that Mueller has conflicts and can't be the special counsel. 2:02:23.120 --> 2:02:25.720 The President responded, I never said that. The President said 2:02:25.720 --> 2:02:27.720 that he merely wanted Began to raise the conflicts issue 2:02:27.720 --> 2:02:29.400 with Rosenstein and leave it to him to decide what 2:02:29.440 --> 2:02:31.400 to do. McGann told the President that he did not 2:02:31.480 --> 2:02:33.760 understand the conversations that way and instead of heard call 2:02:33.920 --> 2:02:36.800 Rod there are conflicts. Mueller has to go. The President 2:02:36.840 --> 2:02:39.040 asked McGan whether or not he would do a correction, 2:02:39.080 --> 2:02:45.960 and McGann said, no, do do a correction. Yeah, do 2:02:46.080 --> 2:02:48.560 a correction. I'm sorry, let me do a correction. Really great, 2:02:48.920 --> 2:02:50.200 And this is all about, by the way, a New 2:02:50.240 --> 2:02:52.920 York Times report stating that the President had tried to 2:02:52.920 --> 2:02:56.120 get McGann to fire Mueller, which Trump claimed publicly was 2:02:56.160 --> 2:02:58.520 all lies by the bias New York Times, and McGann 2:02:58.600 --> 2:03:00.920 himself was like, no, they got it right. No. That's 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:03.720 a funny thing too, is so many journalists are vindicated 2:03:03.760 --> 2:03:05.760 to from this report to when things came out there 2:03:05.760 --> 2:03:08.000 like oh, this is all unfounded, blah blah, and a 2:03:08.000 --> 2:03:09.920 lot of this stuff is now in here. That's why 2:03:09.920 --> 2:03:13.600 the Glenn Greenwald thing of him being like, see it 2:03:13.680 --> 2:03:16.440 was all bullshit is like, wait, did you even read 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:18.680 the report, Because like, all this stuff you've been like 2:03:18.760 --> 2:03:22.120 saying was bullshit and overblown has been born out in 2:03:22.240 --> 2:03:24.960 this report because Glenn Greenwald was not going to do 2:03:25.040 --> 2:03:28.120 what I did and spend the entire all of yesterday 2:03:28.120 --> 2:03:30.240 in a dank room drinking King Scotch and reading the 2:03:30.280 --> 2:03:33.240 Mueller Report. Because Glenn Greenwald lives on a mansion above 2:03:33.240 --> 2:03:36.480 a Brazilian favela filled with dogs, and it's better things 2:03:36.520 --> 2:03:39.120 to do than read this report. Is that where he lives? Yeah? Yeah, 2:03:39.600 --> 2:03:42.520 he makes like a million dollars a year. Yeah, he 2:03:42.600 --> 2:03:46.360 lives in Brazil, crushing it. I didn't know that with 2:03:46.600 --> 2:03:50.400 his beautiful husband. He's one of the best journalists on 2:03:50.440 --> 2:03:53.720 the planet. Oh God, bless you, God bless him. And 2:03:53.800 --> 2:03:57.280 he lives above the favelas and where like Rio or something. 2:03:57.280 --> 2:04:00.200 I think it's in or might piece up all I 2:04:00.200 --> 2:04:02.280 don't off the top of my head. Yeah, yeah, but 2:04:02.360 --> 2:04:03.800 it seems like the sort of thing that he had 2:04:03.880 --> 2:04:06.520 locked and loaded right before the report even came out. 2:04:06.600 --> 2:04:09.160 There's no way he read it all. Good God, no 2:04:09.280 --> 2:04:12.880 four hours. It would betray everything he's done up until then. 2:04:12.920 --> 2:04:15.120 He's not. He's It took me eight and I really 2:04:15.160 --> 2:04:17.400 half asked the reading of this report, guys, and I 2:04:17.640 --> 2:04:21.840 know it's obvious. So this is all leading up to 2:04:21.960 --> 2:04:25.240 my very favorite paragraph and the entire Muller report. Um, 2:04:25.280 --> 2:04:27.600 and this is as he's he's talking to McGan. The 2:04:27.600 --> 2:04:29.520 President also asked McGann in a meeting why he had 2:04:29.560 --> 2:04:32.240 told Special Counsel's Office investigators that the President had told 2:04:32.280 --> 2:04:35.000 him to have the special counsel removed. McGan responded that 2:04:35.040 --> 2:04:37.040 he had to and that his conversations with the President 2:04:37.080 --> 2:04:40.320 were not protected by attorney client privilege. The President then asked, 2:04:40.520 --> 2:04:43.360 what about these notes. Why do you take notes? Lawyers 2:04:43.360 --> 2:04:45.840 don't take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes. 2:04:46.080 --> 2:04:49.040 McGan responded that he keeps notes because he's a real lawyer, 2:04:49.200 --> 2:04:51.240 and explains that notes create a record and are not 2:04:51.320 --> 2:04:53.520 a bad thing. The President said, I've had a lot 2:04:53.560 --> 2:04:56.000 of great lawyers like Ray Cohen. He didn't take notes, 2:04:56.560 --> 2:05:05.560 Boom mob lawyer Roy coh famous crime lawyer Roy like 2:05:05.680 --> 2:05:09.320 Roy Cohne, because I'm not committing crimes that guarantee you'll 2:05:09.320 --> 2:05:12.160 be impeached. Like, I'm not going to do that because 2:05:12.160 --> 2:05:15.520 I'm a real lawyer. But Gan's one of the guys 2:05:15.520 --> 2:05:17.640 who come across from this being like, well, at least 2:05:17.680 --> 2:05:22.480 your comt because I'm a real lawyer. Is such a 2:05:23.120 --> 2:05:29.440 condescending answer to be giving to the President, and I'm 2:05:29.480 --> 2:05:31.920 sure to like with Trump, he's like not used to 2:05:31.960 --> 2:05:34.240 being spoken to like that, and I'm sure Don McGann 2:05:34.400 --> 2:05:37.280 is like, fuck you mode, I don't like ship. Trump 2:05:37.280 --> 2:05:39.600 probably took all that. He's like because I'm a real lawyer, 2:05:39.640 --> 2:05:41.600 because he's seen what's happening to Flynn. I'm not going 2:05:41.640 --> 2:05:44.320 to go to prison for you, and other people probably 2:05:44.360 --> 2:05:48.000 would never. I hope that Don McGann was so just shitty, 2:05:48.240 --> 2:05:51.600 like I mean, obviously fuck him, like guiding Brett Kavanaugh 2:05:51.640 --> 2:05:54.720 through the confirmation ship and he's a bad person, Like 2:05:55.920 --> 2:05:57.800 just if it were like a scene in a show 2:05:57.880 --> 2:06:00.480 of just being like, shut shut the funk up. Because 2:06:00.520 --> 2:06:02.760 I'm a real lawyer, you fun. Because I'm a lawyer, 2:06:02.840 --> 2:06:05.800 I'm taking it's not banned to take notes, Donald, I've 2:06:05.840 --> 2:06:08.560 never seen that. You've never seen that. The TV show 2:06:08.600 --> 2:06:11.360 that it would be someone Right, Yeah, the TV show 2:06:11.400 --> 2:06:13.280 that I would be from would not be House of Cards, 2:06:13.320 --> 2:06:16.160 it would be Veep. Because you also have to imagine 2:06:16.200 --> 2:06:20.680 that McGann was taking notes of that conversation. Well, this 2:06:20.720 --> 2:06:23.520 is telling him not to take notes. So Trump was 2:06:23.560 --> 2:06:26.520 then like, you're doing it again. It's like, you know, 2:06:26.560 --> 2:06:30.960 asking about notes, said creating record just said, but Roy 2:06:31.040 --> 2:06:34.160 Khane didn't do that. Okay, I got what I need, Yeah, 2:06:34.320 --> 2:06:37.120 Mr President, like I got a lot of tables. Man, 2:06:37.160 --> 2:06:39.720 I gotta get out of here. Yeah. Next we get 2:06:39.760 --> 2:06:42.600 into a bunch more stuff of the Manifort stuff, which 2:06:42.600 --> 2:06:46.200 again it's a lot of obstruction e stuff there you 2:06:46.200 --> 2:06:47.880 can read it. We already talked about a lot of 2:06:47.920 --> 2:06:50.520 Maniforts crimes, a decent amount of it still redacted. We 2:06:50.560 --> 2:06:53.480 get to what's probably Roger Stone next. But again everything 2:06:53.480 --> 2:06:56.120 about Stone is redacted right now, so it's a little 2:06:56.120 --> 2:07:00.000 bit hard to say. There is a partially redacted paragraph, 2:07:00.160 --> 2:07:03.480 uh talking about the President Michael Cohen that makes Donald 2:07:03.480 --> 2:07:05.600 Trump sound exactly like a mob boss. So I'm gonna 2:07:05.640 --> 2:07:07.840 read that next. A few days after the searches, the 2:07:07.840 --> 2:07:10.120 President called Cohen. According to Cohen, the President said he 2:07:10.120 --> 2:07:12.320 wanted to check in and asked if Cohen was okay, 2:07:12.440 --> 2:07:14.720 and the President encouraged Cohen to hang in there and 2:07:14.800 --> 2:07:17.880 stay strong. Cohen also recalled that following the searches, this 2:07:17.920 --> 2:07:20.320 is after Cohen's house had been searched, Uh, he heard 2:07:20.320 --> 2:07:22.320 from individuals who were in touch with the President related 2:07:22.320 --> 2:07:25.680 to Cohen the President support for him. Cohen recalled that Blank, 2:07:25.920 --> 2:07:27.760 a friend of the president's, reached out to say that 2:07:27.800 --> 2:07:31.160 he was with the boss bosses Capitalized and mar Lago, 2:07:31.240 --> 2:07:33.920 and the President said he loves you and not to worry. 2:07:34.160 --> 2:07:37.440 Cohen recalled that redacted for the Trump organization told him 2:07:37.560 --> 2:07:40.120 the Boss loves you, and Cohen said that redacted, a 2:07:40.160 --> 2:07:42.640 friend of the presidents told him, everyone knows the Boss 2:07:42.640 --> 2:07:46.720 has your back. Uh. That's that's that's a mob ash ship. 2:07:46.840 --> 2:07:52.200 That is a mob ship. But it's also like very touchy, feely, warm, yeah, 2:07:52.280 --> 2:07:57.000 sentimental for Trump. Yeah, and an army general. Yeah, Like 2:07:57.120 --> 2:08:00.760 that's probably as warm and feely as my Michael Cohen 2:08:00.920 --> 2:08:05.960 has ever been, including like on his wedding night. So yeah, yeah. 2:08:06.040 --> 2:08:12.560 The fact that he has turned and sorry, I take 2:08:12.600 --> 2:08:14.840 a bullet for him, well, and I'm gonna testify, but 2:08:14.880 --> 2:08:16.800 he has to say it and in the third person, 2:08:16.920 --> 2:08:21.400 because saying you would be like two emotional and he 2:08:21.520 --> 2:08:26.520 said that. The report concludes the President probably knew and 2:08:26.600 --> 2:08:29.640 directly approved of Michael Cohen lying to Congress. The evidence 2:08:29.640 --> 2:08:31.840 could support an inference that the President was aware of 2:08:31.880 --> 2:08:35.840 these facts at the time of Cohen's false statements to Congress. Um. 2:08:35.920 --> 2:08:39.560 So again, so the president probably committed a crime, and 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:42.880 the evidence could probably support that he committed a crime. Yeah, Yeah, 2:08:42.920 --> 2:08:45.400 that's what Mueller seems to be saying. At the conclusion 2:08:45.440 --> 2:08:47.320 of the report, it reiterates that it will not make 2:08:47.360 --> 2:08:52.480 traditional prosecutorial judgments, but does note some conclusions in this investigation. 2:08:52.520 --> 2:08:54.720 The evidence does not established that the president was involved 2:08:54.720 --> 2:08:57.600 in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference, but 2:08:57.640 --> 2:08:59.680 the evidence does point to a range of other possible 2:08:59.720 --> 2:09:03.080 person emotives animating the president's conduct. These include concerns that 2:09:03.120 --> 2:09:06.280 continued investigation would call into question the legitimacy of his election, 2:09:06.360 --> 2:09:09.600 and potential uncertainty about whether certain events such as advanced 2:09:09.640 --> 2:09:12.560 notice of Wiki leaks's release of hacked information, or the 2:09:12.640 --> 2:09:16.040 June nine, sixteen meeting between senior campaign officials and Russians, 2:09:16.080 --> 2:09:18.959 could be seen as criminal activity by the president, his campaign, 2:09:19.200 --> 2:09:22.160 or his family. Third, many of the president's acts directed 2:09:22.160 --> 2:09:25.120 at witnesses, including the discouragement of cooperation with the government 2:09:25.120 --> 2:09:28.680 and suggestions of possible future partners, occurred in public view. Well, 2:09:28.680 --> 2:09:31.120 it may be more difficult to establish that public facing 2:09:31.160 --> 2:09:33.920 acts were motivated by a corrupt intent. The President's power 2:09:33.960 --> 2:09:36.520 to influence actions, persons, and events is enhanced by his 2:09:36.600 --> 2:09:39.920 unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications, 2:09:40.200 --> 2:09:42.760 and no principle of law excludes public acts from the 2:09:42.760 --> 2:09:45.560 scope of obstruction statutes. At the likely effect of the 2:09:45.560 --> 2:09:48.800 access to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice 2:09:48.840 --> 2:09:55.240 system's integrity is equally threatened. That seems so damned like 2:09:55.360 --> 2:09:59.160 such a sane description of what the president was doing 2:09:59.480 --> 2:10:04.520 than like nobody was using like those sorts of straightforward 2:10:04.680 --> 2:10:07.760 words to describe what he was doing for so long, 2:10:08.200 --> 2:10:11.840 and he's just like, no, this is how it works. 2:10:11.960 --> 2:10:17.000 You can't publicly intimidate people. Yeah. Muller notes that the 2:10:17.000 --> 2:10:20.720 president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but 2:10:20.760 --> 2:10:23.120 that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president 2:10:23.120 --> 2:10:25.680 declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. 2:10:27.560 --> 2:10:29.880 He kept urging them to do crimes, and they were 2:10:29.920 --> 2:10:34.640 just a little too smart to do it, right. Yeah. Uh, 2:10:34.680 --> 2:10:36.560 And I just I don't want to go to prison. 2:10:36.720 --> 2:10:38.960 I don't want you to go to prison. So I 2:10:39.000 --> 2:10:42.000 guess not that he yells at you for an hour 2:10:42.040 --> 2:10:48.680 and a half yeah, so. Uh. It notes after this 2:10:48.800 --> 2:10:50.960 that the president is not immune to charges for obstruction 2:10:51.000 --> 2:10:55.000 of justice just by the nature of being the president. Uh. 2:10:55.040 --> 2:10:57.280 And then you know, I'm going to read essentially the 2:10:57.360 --> 2:11:01.440 final word in the report before the appendix, this well 2:11:01.960 --> 2:11:05.280 final paragraph, which in any sane society would be damning. 2:11:06.000 --> 2:11:08.960 Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, 2:11:08.960 --> 2:11:11.879 we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the president's conduct. 2:11:11.960 --> 2:11:14.520 The evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent 2:11:14.600 --> 2:11:16.880 presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if 2:11:16.880 --> 2:11:20.360 we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, 2:11:20.600 --> 2:11:23.640 if we had confidence, after a thorough investigation of the facts, 2:11:23.640 --> 2:11:26.240 that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, 2:11:26.480 --> 2:11:28.960 we would so state, based on the facts and the 2:11:29.000 --> 2:11:32.920 applicable legal standard, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, 2:11:33.080 --> 2:11:35.320 while this report does not conclude that the president committed 2:11:35.320 --> 2:11:38.200 a crime, it also does not exonerate him for the 2:11:38.280 --> 2:11:44.480 third time. Right, that's my fucking notes. Who really threw 2:11:44.520 --> 2:11:47.879 that bagel down? Where are the bagels? Where's my tossing bagels? 2:11:48.560 --> 2:11:51.640 They're already on the ground. Bring me my tossing bagels. 2:11:54.200 --> 2:12:00.240 Fuck you. I I'm not surprised by anything in there. Uh. Um, 2:12:00.720 --> 2:12:04.480 you know, Weeny William Barr to do some splaining, you 2:12:04.520 --> 2:12:08.800 need some Robert Mueller splaining. And uh, I mean all 2:12:08.880 --> 2:12:11.640 this really shows is like this is I think the 2:12:11.760 --> 2:12:14.680 beginning of a much longer process. Yeah. I mean again again, 2:12:14.720 --> 2:12:18.400 there's still fourteen ongoing criminal investigations. So is there a 2:12:18.520 --> 2:12:21.440 version of this where they don't say we're going forward 2:12:21.560 --> 2:12:27.600 with impeachment hearings, but they do continue to like have hearings. Yeah, 2:12:27.760 --> 2:12:30.280 that's possible. They can investigate all these others. I think 2:12:30.320 --> 2:12:32.680 it's a foregotten conclusion that Mueller is going to talk 2:12:32.720 --> 2:12:36.280 to Congress. That's and the Congress has already requested the 2:12:36.360 --> 2:12:41.680 unredacted version of the report, so that's probably going to happen. Um. 2:12:42.360 --> 2:12:46.000 So far, Democratic leadership has been unwilling to in fact 2:12:46.040 --> 2:12:49.920 directly stated they don't want to pursue impeachment, which, like 2:12:50.080 --> 2:12:53.120 I will say, based on my non lawyer knowledge of 2:12:53.200 --> 2:12:55.800 what I read in the report, definitely seems like there's 2:12:55.920 --> 2:12:58.800 enough to impeach over like to at least you know, 2:12:58.880 --> 2:13:01.080 do because obviously impeaching doesn't mean he gets kicked out 2:13:01.080 --> 2:13:03.880 of the job. It's just starts. Impeaching is just a 2:13:03.960 --> 2:13:08.200 political There's definitely more there than there was with Clinton, 2:13:08.640 --> 2:13:13.720 um in terms of uh crime that was probably committed. Uh, 2:13:14.200 --> 2:13:16.160 but at the state, like people are wondering, like is 2:13:16.200 --> 2:13:18.800 it a good political strategy to impeach him? Which, like, 2:13:19.400 --> 2:13:21.720 is it a good political strategy to just like not 2:13:22.080 --> 2:13:25.760 charge the president for his multiple crimes? Yeah, I hope 2:13:25.760 --> 2:13:29.520 that you win the next election, like Democrats often don't like. 2:13:30.680 --> 2:13:36.240 But there's no version of reality where the Democrats are 2:13:36.320 --> 2:13:41.640 able to act successfully impeach Trump from office given what 2:13:41.960 --> 2:13:45.560 is currently out there. So they would need depends on 2:13:45.600 --> 2:13:49.720 the votes too. Yeah, votes for on the Senate would 2:13:49.800 --> 2:13:54.920 require a bunch of Republicans to vote to impeach Trump. 2:13:55.960 --> 2:13:57.680 And that, I mean that is a good point that like, 2:13:57.840 --> 2:14:01.160 if he gets impeached and then like is actually kicked out, 2:14:01.280 --> 2:14:04.520 he might claim vindication or something you can say, it'll 2:14:04.560 --> 2:14:08.520 probably drag on up until the election. And b And 2:14:08.560 --> 2:14:12.800 the last time we saw an unsuccessful impeaching of a president, 2:14:12.920 --> 2:14:17.200 the president saw a huge boost after. Yeah, although the 2:14:17.280 --> 2:14:20.600 president there like his poll numbers flat as a fucking 2:14:21.320 --> 2:14:24.560 door nail. Uh, this president. Yeah, well, just in the 2:14:24.600 --> 2:14:26.480 wake of the Mullar report coming out, like it doesn't 2:14:26.480 --> 2:14:29.120 seem to have had any impact, Like when we're looking 2:14:29.160 --> 2:14:31.040 at like but yeah, but but it's been like a 2:14:31.120 --> 2:14:34.280 week or two since bar announced no collusion or whatever, 2:14:34.600 --> 2:14:37.080 and it didn't do anything because I think most people 2:14:37.160 --> 2:14:39.360 they don't need the report on either side to still 2:14:39.480 --> 2:14:41.360 believe he's either the best thing to happen or the 2:14:41.400 --> 2:14:44.040 worst thing to happen. So so then I guess when 2:14:44.040 --> 2:14:46.320 you look at it from there, you're like, well, then 2:14:47.040 --> 2:14:48.840 if it's not going to move the needle that much, 2:14:50.040 --> 2:14:52.120 is it the best? Is that the best way of 2:14:53.520 --> 2:14:55.400 I'm not going to make a judgment on whether or 2:14:55.440 --> 2:14:58.360 not he should be impeached, because there's a lot of 2:14:58.560 --> 2:15:01.160 thinking behind that. I will say it seems like a 2:15:01.360 --> 2:15:05.920 horrible dereliction of duty to not h hammer every aspect 2:15:06.000 --> 2:15:10.120 of this, Uh, bring Muller up before Congress, like like 2:15:11.120 --> 2:15:15.400 like publicize heavily every investigation that is still ongoing, like 2:15:16.240 --> 2:15:18.680 it needs to be kept in the public eye up 2:15:18.720 --> 2:15:21.960 until the election. Yeah, and maybe committed a huge number 2:15:22.040 --> 2:15:24.600 of crimes, it sounds like. And by having people like 2:15:25.360 --> 2:15:29.040 under oath in a televised test like if they're testifying 2:15:29.400 --> 2:15:33.360 and giving testimony. You can hopefully chip away a little 2:15:33.360 --> 2:15:35.200 bit at the court of public opinion too, if you 2:15:35.280 --> 2:15:37.800 if it's NonStop of people being like yeah, and then 2:15:37.800 --> 2:15:39.800 he asked me to do this and I was like, yeah, 2:15:39.800 --> 2:15:41.880 I can't do that. Yeah. I want to hear Donald 2:15:41.960 --> 2:15:45.360 McGann talk about all of the times Trump tried to 2:15:45.400 --> 2:15:48.040 get him to commit crimes in front of Congress. I 2:15:48.160 --> 2:15:50.760 really want that because what was the the in the 2:15:50.880 --> 2:15:53.280 Watergate thing, Like one of the first ones was like 2:15:53.360 --> 2:15:55.640 just like an office assistant who they asked to shred 2:15:55.760 --> 2:15:58.680 documents and like that whole thing was kind of the 2:15:58.720 --> 2:16:01.720 first anecdote that people like, what's going on? Yeah, because 2:16:01.760 --> 2:16:03.520 like higher up, like I don't know how to use 2:16:03.560 --> 2:16:08.120 this documents shredder, right, And the idea that Nixon should 2:16:08.160 --> 2:16:11.600 be impeached was incredibly unpopular at the start of those 2:16:11.640 --> 2:16:15.440 televised hearings, and it completely flipped by the end of 2:16:15.520 --> 2:16:18.080 the televised hearings. But I mean, I think people are 2:16:18.480 --> 2:16:24.280 too aware of this whole process too, uh, like have 2:16:24.400 --> 2:16:27.560 their mind changed that much by a televised thing. But 2:16:27.640 --> 2:16:31.840 I do think you know, as we're you know, looking 2:16:32.000 --> 2:16:36.480 at the election, if there is a televised Uh, you know, 2:16:37.080 --> 2:16:43.480 hearing where different just incompetence and dishonesty and just being 2:16:43.720 --> 2:16:46.200 terrible at the job are like kind of coming out 2:16:46.280 --> 2:16:51.120 and drips and drops. That's not a bad thing for Democrats, 2:16:51.200 --> 2:16:54.280 And that seems like it would be a smart strategy. Yeah, 2:16:54.400 --> 2:16:56.400 it does seem like it would be a smart strategy. 2:16:56.480 --> 2:16:59.280 But we are talking about the Democratic Party here, so 2:16:59.600 --> 2:17:06.000 I look forward to them doing something that makes everything worse. Yeah, yeah, 2:17:06.120 --> 2:17:08.400 that is what I can rely on the Democratic Party for. 2:17:09.440 --> 2:17:14.640 So I'm excited about Hillary run with Tim Caine once again. 2:17:15.879 --> 2:17:20.640 Biden Kane ticket baby? Yeah, who do we who do we? 2:17:20.720 --> 2:17:24.240 Who do we talk? How do we? How do we 2:17:24.280 --> 2:17:26.440 get the lefties on board? Oh? Let's bring back Tim Kane. 2:17:27.160 --> 2:17:31.400 Love Tim Kane, Jack breaking. Mike just fell off, probably 2:17:31.600 --> 2:17:33.760 maybe related to all of the bagel tossing I've been doing, 2:17:34.080 --> 2:17:38.199 no way to know. See, you've angered You've angered the Lord. 2:17:38.360 --> 2:17:40.400 You know what, Daniel, when you get done with him 2:17:40.400 --> 2:17:43.080 and those bagels again, I'm gonna give one more good 2:17:43.160 --> 2:17:47.520 tossing before we before we threat on it. Yeah, you guys, 2:17:47.560 --> 2:17:50.199 and he got any got any pluggables to plug bagel's 2:17:50.240 --> 2:17:52.680 down there? Thank you? Dan Last time I did. I 2:17:52.959 --> 2:17:56.000 did glade plug ins, I did belkan Searge protectors for 2:17:56.120 --> 2:18:02.959 your plugable enemy. Um yeah done here. Daily Zeitgeist Daily 2:18:03.400 --> 2:18:05.840 check it out. Oh they already know week daily Monday 2:18:05.879 --> 2:18:12.240 through Friday. 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So buy 2:18:48.400 --> 2:18:50.760 some throwing bagels of your own, tossome to relieve your 2:18:50.760 --> 2:18:54.680 frustration about the Muller Report and the horrible morass of 2:18:55.080 --> 2:18:58.280 of hatred that we are all slouching closer to. In 2:18:59.160 --> 2:19:02.680 gotta be a funnel like looking Forward the Best. Hey, Robert, 2:19:02.720 --> 2:19:05.320 do you have any plug Bulls? No, I think you do. 2:19:05.600 --> 2:19:09.080 I don't have any other shows, that's right, he only does. 2:19:09.360 --> 2:19:12.800 I don't even I don't even do this show. And 2:19:12.920 --> 2:19:16.320 I wanna talk about a podcast that I've been listening 2:19:16.360 --> 2:19:20.840 to lately, big fan slow Burn. Yeah, it's called Slowburn. No, 2:19:20.959 --> 2:19:25.519 it's called it could Happen Here. Uh. It is terrifying. 2:19:26.160 --> 2:19:29.360 It's about the possibility of a second American Civil War 2:19:29.680 --> 2:19:31.520 ties into all this a little bit. Yeah, it ties 2:19:31.560 --> 2:19:34.880 into all this wishes at the border. Yeah. Uh. What 2:19:35.000 --> 2:19:38.160 you might not know is when we're talking about, you know, 2:19:39.200 --> 2:19:43.320 possible impeachment, that the right is already saying they will 2:19:43.480 --> 2:19:47.560 murder us in the streets if if people try and 2:19:47.720 --> 2:19:51.520 remove Trump from office. So just some of them, including 2:19:51.600 --> 2:19:53.800 several of the people named in the Muller report. Yeah, 2:19:54.000 --> 2:19:57.879 so that's worth taking into account. Uh. Yeah, it could 2:19:57.920 --> 2:20:01.960 happen here is mind blowing, very weak. It's growing more 2:20:02.040 --> 2:20:06.200 and more. It's become a phenomenon. Check it out. It 2:20:06.240 --> 2:20:09.240 could happen here. 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I liked when Jack was plugging your show. 2:20:43.160 --> 2:20:46.080 It felt like a weird like toast at a wedding. 2:20:47.400 --> 2:20:49.520 I got a podcast I want to tell you about. 2:20:49.520 --> 2:20:54.039 It's like Robert's like, oh god, I am hungover from 2:20:54.120 --> 2:20:59.240 the Mueller Report. It's it's terrible. Um. Also, buy merts 2:20:59.280 --> 2:21:02.560 for both of our show from Tea Public. It will 2:21:02.640 --> 2:21:05.960 keep you warm as the country burns down around you, 2:21:06.720 --> 2:21:09.280 or we'll keep you cool. Get the top, get it, 2:21:09.320 --> 2:21:11.360 get it to top, because it's going to be even warmer. 2:21:11.400 --> 2:21:15.320 So could be insurgent warfare, climate change. I don't know. 2:21:15.360 --> 2:21:17.600 You might not need sleeves anymore. I'm just saying nothing 2:21:17.760 --> 2:21:21.480 looks better than a freedom fighter with like those arms 2:21:21.560 --> 2:21:24.720 buried the big gun arms. You could be like that 2:21:24.800 --> 2:21:27.680 guy in Libya who stuck a cannon and a shopping cart. 2:21:28.800 --> 2:21:35.560 Shopping technical it wasn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, the podcast 2:21:35.680 --> 2:21:39.280 is over. Go hug your family, kiss a cat, throw 2:21:39.360 --> 2:21:39.920 some bagels,