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Speaker 1: it's not like the legal definition of them like getting

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Speaker 1: on the phone or like legally uh you know something

428
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Speaker 1: that we can prove. Yeah, well, but he would have

429
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Speaker 1: to know that the Russians were going to do that,

430
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: and that was all part like that it was all

431
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: coming from there, right, rather than like sort of subconsciously

432
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Speaker 1: expressing a desire that they could pick up on. And

433
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Speaker 1: I guess the reason coordinating is so dangerous is because

434
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Speaker 1: you're you know, bringing like one person's illicit like planned

435
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: to attack the Democrats into like alongside yours. That's why

436
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: the like sharing, pulling information and like strategic information that

437
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: Manifort did is so you know that is so significant

438
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: because that's what makes it particularly effective is you're you know,

439
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: targeting the same areas, the same types of people. And

440
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean obviously Trump wanted her email, so it's just yes,

441
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Speaker 1: like it doesn't technically rise to the level, but like

442
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: when you're looking at like what we need to keep

443
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Speaker 1: a sane electoral process, like not being able to jokingly

444
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: tell somebody to help your campaign by doing an illegal thing. Yeah,

445
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: is probably should be something we take into account. We

446
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: should we should make that be uh illegal in the future.

447
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: It seems like a gap in our current because sixty

448
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: years ago that wouldn't have really been a thing people

449
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: could do, and now it is. Yeah anyway, Um, Sophie's

450
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: giving me the two fingers sign, which means it's time

451
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: for you. Guys are better at transitions. That was amazing one.

452
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Speaker 1: I actually got freaked out when you did that. Haunted. Yes, yes,

453
00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: by these ghosts. We're back. So uh. One of the

454
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Speaker 1: things that report makes really clear is what a staggering

455
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Speaker 1: success the Internet Research Agency's influence campaign was. Uh Facebook

456
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Speaker 1: at all were no in no way prepared for this,

457
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Speaker 1: and we're essentially perfect victims. Quote. Instagram accounts had hundreds

458
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Speaker 1: of i RA Instagram accounts had hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: US participants. Ira A controlled Twitter accounts separately had tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of followers, including multiple US political figures who

461
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: retweeted ira created content. In November two thousand seventeen, a

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Speaker 1: Facebook representative testified that Facebook had identified four hundred seventy

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Speaker 1: ira A controlled Facebook accounts that collectively made eighty thousand

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Speaker 1: posts between January two thousand fifteen August two thousand seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Facebook estimated the ira A reached as many as a

466
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six million persons through its Facebook accounts,

467
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Speaker 1: and sixth of January two thousand eighteen, Twitter announced that

468
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Speaker 1: it had identified three thousand, eight hundred fourteen ira A

469
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Speaker 1: controlled Twitter accounts and notified approximately one point four million

470
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Speaker 1: people Twitter believed may have been in contact with an

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Speaker 1: ira A controlled account. UM. So, in just keeping all

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Speaker 1: that in mind, the hundred and twenty six million people

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Speaker 1: who were reached by Facebook like iri controled Facebook accounts alone,

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Speaker 1: I want to note that according to Vanity Fair, Uh,

475
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Speaker 1: there's a great Vanity Fair article titled you could feed

476
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Speaker 1: all the voters who cost Clinton the election in a

477
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Speaker 1: mid size stadium. Um noting that the three states that

478
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Speaker 1: cost Clinton the victory, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were lost

479
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Speaker 1: by a margin of seventy nine thousand votes. So when

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Speaker 1: we're talking about whether or not Russian influence pedaling could

481
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Speaker 1: have had a significant impact on the outcome of the election,

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Speaker 1: that they reached a hundred and twenty six million people

483
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Speaker 1: through Facebook, the election came down to seventy nine thousand votes, right,

484
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Speaker 1: And that's where the part where Manafort exchanging information with

485
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: Constant and Colimnik is so damning too because they go, oh,

486
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Speaker 1: no collusion. Well you have this person that is the

487
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: most damning thing in terms of the campaign. He is

488
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Speaker 1: the manager of the campaign at the time, right, sharing

489
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Speaker 1: internal polling data and strategy and also saying these are

490
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Speaker 1: the battle ground states were really focusing on because we

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Speaker 1: think the Clinton campaign is actually taking some of these

492
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Speaker 1: states from for granted, or as the media said, or

493
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: just not putting as much investment in those states and

494
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Speaker 1: the like. Oh and we've also like and from there

495
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Speaker 1: identifying the Clinton defect or demographic of voter who they

496
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Speaker 1: especially needed to get to because once you get those

497
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Speaker 1: people to vote third party or for Trump, great, Yeah,

498
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: you've actually whittling down the margins. And again, like you say,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to something as just under eighty thousand people,

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Speaker 1: uh Rebevans, I have a question for you the um

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00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: why why does he Why would Muller like he acknowledges

502
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Speaker 1: the thing that we're talking about, right, the Constant clinic

503
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: maniport like connections. Yeah, he's very explicit about that. So

504
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: why did that? Because one of the critiques that I've

505
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: seen the likes of Glenn Greenwald bring is that, how

506
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Speaker 1: like do you believe that they didn't come up with

507
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Speaker 1: one single indictment of somebody for Russia Russian collusion? Why

508
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: does that not rise to the level of collusion? Well

509
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: because siractic criminal term? Sorry, why does that not rise

510
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: to the level of criminal conspiracy with Russia? Uh? Yeah,

511
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a great question. I guess some of

512
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: it is because, like, is it it's not illegal to

513
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: share polling data somebody like he wasn't Manafort was giving

514
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: this guy polling data. He was not in return getting

515
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: a promise We're going to have this agency that you

516
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: may not even know exists at this point attack these

517
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: battleground states to try to shift voters. There's nothing illegal

518
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: about a guy giving like information as the campaign had

519
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: he had control over, he can share that with whoever

520
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: conscting clinic was not like next door to Vladimir Putin

521
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: at the time, working for him or whatever, so that

522
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: maybe did did they have a direct connection between the clinic?

523
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: Clinic and Putin had a direct connection enough to be

524
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Speaker 1: like we can ssider this person to be part of

525
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: the intelligence. Intelligence part of what Manafort is in jail

526
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: for is related to this the acting as an unregistered

527
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: foreign agent UM. Now that's not as a result of

528
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: him sharing data with Colmnic, but as other results of

529
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: things he did with Colimnic, because he was also talking

530
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: with Colimnic about essentially establishing a peace plan that would

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00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: have given Russia backdoor control of eastern Ukraine. So one

532
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: of the things Manafort was doing while he was giving

533
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: the stat at a Colimnic was being like, and we'll

534
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: establish a peace program that gives Russia a large chunk

535
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: of Ukraine, uh in exchange for better relations with Russia.

536
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Like that was the thing he was working on at

537
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: this time. And that's a lot legally shadier ground to

538
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: stand on, but some of that still ongoing in terms

539
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: of like the the investigation and whatnot. And one of

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00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: the things that man or that Muller repeatedly notes is that, uh,

541
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Speaker 1: it's hard to say exactly what crimes Manafort did or

542
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: didn't commit because he lied about everything and deleted all

543
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: of his text messages and we didn't get them all.

544
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: Like that's a repeated comment that Mueller makes, is that, like,

545
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: there might be more here, but we just don't have

546
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: all of the information from Manafort because he lies constantly

547
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: and deleted everything. Yeah, based on beans based on your

548
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: reading of the Mueller report, do you would you guess

549
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: that Mueller thinks that Russian intervention swung the election or

550
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: is he taking that idea fair seriously enough to say

551
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: that he definitely thinks that's possibility. I would say that

552
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: everything that's in the report says it's definitely a possibility.

553
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: He does not go as far as saying this one

554
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: like that, and that's outside of the scope of his investigation.

555
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: But he spent probably like a good quarter maybe if

556
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: if it's lower of the of the whole report, talking

557
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: about Russian influences actions to swing the election, going in

558
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: detail about them, about what Manafort did, about what the

559
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Internet Research Agency did, about what Wiki Leaks did. Wiki

560
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: he very makes a very clear case that Wiki Leaks

561
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: coordinated directly with the Russian government to release a lot

562
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: of this stuff, Like he goes into exhaustive detail about

563
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: like that. Like one of the first half of the

564
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: Muller Report, Part one is essentially a detailed outline of

565
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: Russian efforts to influence the two thousand and sixteen election. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I don't see how you can walk away from

567
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: it thinking anything but that they put a lot of

568
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: work and money into this, and some of them at

569
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Speaker 1: least believe. There's even a statement from some guy close

570
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Speaker 1: to Putin saying Putin one after Trump won the election. Yeah,

571
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: so I would say, and I you know, I can't

572
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: get inside Bob Mueller's head, but he definitely takes the

573
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Speaker 1: possibility seriously because he spent like a hundred pages talking

574
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Speaker 1: about it, right. Yeah, so I do want to talk

575
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the Internet Research Agent. Say,

576
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: there's another little line a little bit further down that

577
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: talks about how those four IRA employees snuck into the country. Uh,

578
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: they lied and pretended to be four friends who had

579
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Speaker 1: met at a party. I just wanted to visit the

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Speaker 1: U S Which I'm sorry that was cute. Have you

581
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Speaker 1: have you actually seen times when like Russian spies have

582
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: gone abroad to like do recon and stuff. How obvious

583
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: they look. Well, some people just want to look at

584
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: some cathedrals. Remember those guys in England who were like

585
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: had the most guys who poisoned for the for the listeners.

586
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: You guys who poisoned several people in Russia when they

587
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: were tracked down by members of the site that I

588
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: write for a Belling Cat, and we're found to have

589
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: been agents of the g r U. They claimed to

590
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Speaker 1: be tourists who were just there to look at cathedrals,

591
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: and they looked like comic book versions of like Russian

592
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: like goon like like like the most just like chiseled faces.

593
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: They their expressions were so like angry, and you couldn't

594
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Speaker 1: for a second be like, oh these are cathedral enthusiasts,

595
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: like these are these people just with their scowls look

596
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: like they were either Russian spice or soccer hooligans and

597
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: nothing else. Yeah, yeah they were not, Mike, So I

598
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: can't believe like coming here, they're like, uh in your

599
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: purpose for your visit, we are friends at the United States, Um,

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Speaker 1: what's in your backpack? Camera? And sweat those look like

601
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Speaker 1: chair legs is for my marionette class. I must make here.

602
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: I must go uh yeah, just like a wild Because

603
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Speaker 1: that was the one thing that really surprised me about

604
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Speaker 1: the because it was with Sergey scrup all right, that

605
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: was those guys when he saw those photos like they're

606
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: not even trying. They're actually not even trying. Yeah, like

607
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: you feel I feel like the people at the border

608
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: could like, I don't know, I guess this gets into profiling,

609
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: but like, so you guys are clearly Russian spy. I'm like,

610
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Speaker 1: why is your friend folding up a frying pan with

611
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: his bare hands behind? Look at me like like they

612
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: like they if there was a shooting and I was

613
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: near one of those guys, I would dive behind their

614
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: forehead for cover because it was clearly thick enough to stop.

615
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: Both gods, it's freaky, yeah, you know, and easy, you think,

616
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: like with the way some people finesse things, like with

617
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: the way Kim Jong UN's brother was taken out, like

618
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: they had those people warm more women with poison needles.

619
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Good plan, right, or just like trying to bring in

620
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: weird people to be like, oh, it's a prey ink

621
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: show or whatever. I don't know if they actually still

622
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: believe that or they'll cover or whatever. But if you

623
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: just need photos, right, you could easily just send your like, oh,

624
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: my cousin studying abroad, just make sure you get all

625
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: the pictures off the SD card when you get back.

626
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: But you know, why am I trying to do their

627
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: job better? For? I mean, you know, Miles, when this

628
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: when this whole podcasting game falls apart. I do think

629
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Speaker 1: you have a future as a Russian contracting spy agents.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Boots, babe, let's talk. Man. I'm like, Bobby,

631
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: you got this thing all the way it turned around. Man,

632
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm mature as a Russian spy. You should see his

633
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: pass and to hire this guy. Yeah right, hey, but

634
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Speaker 1: it stopped the flow of tapes, didn't it. It did

635
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: stop the flow of tapes, the fake tapes. Oh yeah,

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00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, the tapes of flow. Um, okay, so not

637
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Speaker 1: the progressive she was my improv teacher. Hey, so uh

638
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Speaker 1: there's a there's fun lines in the report that are

639
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: partially acted. One that says the focus on the US

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign continued through two a thousand sixteen and redacted

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00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: two sixteen internal redacted. Reviewing the ira A controlled Facebook

642
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: group Secured Borders, the author criticized the lower number of

643
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton and reminded the Facebook specialist,

644
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: it is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton. UM, just

645
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: very direct. A lot of It's interesting to me how

646
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: much information the Mulla report has on what's going on

647
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: here and a lot of it's redacted, So once we

648
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: get a full version, I expect we're going to like,

649
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot in here about the journalists who worked

650
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: with Wiki leaks um and I'm really interested to see

651
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: some of those conversations when they're inevitably revealed, because that's

652
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: one of the things. Yeah, I think, I mean, we

653
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: don't know what's redacted, but it talks about at other

654
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: points that journalists, American journalists worked with Wiki leaks, and

655
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: we're given access to the leaks ahead of time. Wiki

656
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: leaks was getting the leaks directly from the g r

657
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: u um and from you know, as goose Afer. So

658
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: like as I'm interested in in the form those conversations

659
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: took because I suspect some of those journalists kind of

660
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: knew what was going on. So who was coordinating with

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00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: a Facebook expert there that was a that was a

662
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: IRA agent like talking with one of their Facebook experts,

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00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: one of the Facebook Yeah, that's an internal conversation where

664
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: they're talking about you know, we have to intensify criticizing that.

665
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Funny when your job is that you get an email

666
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: from your manager it's like, hey, we talked about this man. Yeah,

667
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: we gotta ramp up the Hillary Clinton stuff, and then

668
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: your job is to go back and be like, oh man,

669
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: she sucks. I mean, I can't believe you're destroying this country. Now.

670
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: Such a bizarre sitcom. Most of the IRAS groups were

671
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: like pretty pretty hardline conservative pro Trump, but they actually

672
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: kind of spun the gamut. There was everything from being

673
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: like their Facebook groups had names like being Patriotics, Stop

674
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: All Immigrants, Secured Boarders, and Tea Party News, but also

675
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: had names like black Matters, Blacktivist, and don't Shoot us. Uh.

676
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: There was an lb LGBT United Group, and then like

677
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: religious groups like United Muslims of America all were actually

678
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: I ray. Facebook groups was pretty big. Yeah, Blacktivist was

679
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: very big. He and they they carried out rallies and

680
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: stuff and got sizeable numbers of people, and they were

681
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: pushing the anti Hillary, like Hillary Clinton's racist line to

682
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: try to get black voters to stop supporting her. UM.

683
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Now it's noted in here like there was a lot

684
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: of ship last year. I think when it came out

685
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: to the Internet Research Agency, it's been a hundred thousand

686
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: dollars on thirty Facebook advertisements. UM. One of the things

687
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: that's really clear from the Malar report is that they

688
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: really didn't need to do that. Uh, most of their

689
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: engagement seems to have occurred organically without the need to

690
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: put any money down to amplify things at all. Like

691
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: that was almost more icing on the cake, Like just

692
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: the way that social media is structured, they didn't need

693
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: to spend money because they were creating fake news and

694
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: that was that. Well, like they it's easy to if

695
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: you just get to write fiction and pretend it's fact,

696
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: you can create viral something that's gonna go viral because

697
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: you just say the Pope said fun Hillary Clinton. Yeah,

698
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: people Catholics are gonna want to read about Hillary Clinton's

699
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: going to kill your babies. It's controversial. It's something that

700
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: gets people angry, and then like, your job's already done

701
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: for you. You don't need to spend that money like

702
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: they did in some cases, But it doesn't seem like

703
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: it was that. That is one of the top rebuttals

704
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: I hear from conservatives or even moderate people who are like,

705
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: this whole thing is a witch hunt. Is well, you're

706
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: telling me thirty something thousand dollars of Facebook money is

707
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: what swung this election, And it's like, no, it was

708
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: the constant churn of like fake stories that were wish

709
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: fulfillment for anybody who like thought about supporting Trump. Yeah.

710
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: One thing that's really clear is that the IRA was

711
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: a big push behind Hillary Clinton for prison. That hashtag

712
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: like that was one of the big prison. Yeah, that

713
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: was one of the big things they pushed started it.

714
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: But like they really they really pushed it. Um, that's

715
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: one of the things they spend money to push, especially

716
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: around the the RNC and the d n c UM.

717
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: So the IRA efforts were two pronged, and they created

718
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: a number of fake persons in groups obviously to like

719
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: act as American citizens who are activists, but they also

720
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: operated a sizeable bot net which would give these fake

721
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: people the impression of being real. Uh. It notes that

722
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: numerous high profile US persons, including former Ambassador Michael McFall,

723
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: Roger Stone, Sean Hannity, Michael Flynn Jr. Retweeted or responded

724
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: to treats tweets posted by IRA controlled accounts. So again, um,

725
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: they had a lot of success holding rallies. Uh. They

726
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: would put US media in touch, like they would basically

727
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: start a rally, get dozens or hundreds of thousands of

728
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Speaker 1: people to confirm that they were attending. Then they would

729
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: find an actual American volunteer to act as a coordinator

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00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: and make an excuse about how they had to be

731
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: out of the state during the rally, and then they

732
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: would put media in touch with the person who'd volunteered

733
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: to be the coordinator to make it seem like it

734
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: was legitimate grassroots effort. Um. The first rally they executed

735
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: was actually in November of fifteen, and it was a

736
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: Confederate rally. That was the name of the the event. Um.

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00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: These rallies continued after the two sixteen election. There's one

738
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Speaker 1: example of one of the posters here which I actually

739
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: think I saw during the election. It's the Miners for

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00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: Trump ad for a Miners for Trump rally and that

741
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: was an IRA rally. Wow, yeah, I definitely saw that.

742
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Add not children, no, no, no, like coal mines. Yeah yeah, yeah,

743
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: it's It's it's pretty wild. One of their groups was

744
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: black or one of their fake people was named black Fist,

745
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: which was purportedly an African American like trying to teach

746
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: other black people how to protect themselves from law enforcement. Um.

747
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: They were really focused on BLM because it was controversial

748
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: because it was something people argued about and thought about

749
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: on the Internet. And I knew if they created one

750
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: like incident that involved Black Lives matter, like the right

751
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: wing media would do the rest. Yeah. That seems to

752
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: have been a huge part of their goal. Um yeah,

753
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: uh so, I'm not gonna go into detail. And every

754
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: time the Trump campaign promoted IRA created material, but the

755
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: report notes that in total, Trump campaign affiliates posted promoted

756
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: dozens of tweets, posts, and other political content created by

757
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: the IRA. So that's cool and again not coordination, not

758
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: coordination in the legal sense. Synergy. Yeah, there's two people

759
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: working at parallel purposes. And that's the thing with conspiracy,

760
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: like you need that agreement ahead of time, you know,

761
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: so it's like it's defined what it is rather than

762
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, we want the same thing. Well everything happened. Yeah,

763
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: Now that's one chunk of Russia's efforts. The other chunk

764
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: were carried out by the g r U, which is

765
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: again Russian intelligence. Um, and those are the people who

766
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: did the DNC hacks. They did the spear fishing that

767
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: got them access to like a bunch of Hillary Clinton

768
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: related emails and stuff. Um, so they had there are

769
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: a couple of different GRU departments that did this. One

770
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: of the things I found interesting is that the g

771
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: RU carried out a moderate size bitcoin mining operation in

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00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: order to buy the computer infrastructure they used to hack

773
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: the d n C. So that's cool. Yeah neat. Oh

774
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: so they were just like had a bunch of computers running.

775
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: They get as much bitcoin to fund their other computer. Yeah, yeah,

776
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: it was bitcoin. Wasn't bitcoin like a penny stock at

777
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: that time? Like, wasn't it really low? It was? It

778
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: was worth more than that. It was in the hundreds

779
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: I think at least. Yeah. Um so yeah. The the

780
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: spearfishing campaign was incredibly successful in letting the g r

781
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: U access to John Podesta's emails, as well as tens

782
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: of thousands of other messages from other campaign staffers. The

783
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: g RU began planning the releases of this content at

784
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: least as early as April nineteen sixteen, which is when

785
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: one g r EU unit registered the domain d c

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00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: leaks dot com uh and then anonymize the registrant. They

787
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: paid for the registration using bitcoin that they had mined. Um.

788
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: So that's cool. Um yeah, so we'll get we'll get

789
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: into the rest of this, but first you know what's

790
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: better than bitcoin products services? Money is better than no

791
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: no spending? Yeah, uh huh, yes, where am I? Uh capitalism?

792
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm not as good at answer to that a capitalism no. See,

793
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: this is why I was. I was trusting what you

794
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: all to do. The ad plug. But hey, guys, we're

795
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break to tell your sickle of

796
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: our ads real quick. Okay, uh one of our ads.

797
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Hey Miles Jack from work? Yeah, alright, uh go go

798
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: listen to the man. We're gonna take a quick break.

799
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: We'll be your bad and we're back. Great ads. That

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00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: was great lead into the ads. Let's talk about Roger Stone.

801
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: So Roger Stone is notable in the Malari for his

802
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: absence because he's not really in the Moulder report, but

803
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: he clearly is because there's a bunch of redacted stuff like, oh,

804
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: y'all are talking about Roger Stone. Now. One of those

805
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: places is talking about the communication between the g r

806
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 1: u uh in the persona of goos Off two point

807
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: oh with a Trump campaign member while a former Trump

808
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: campaign member who's again clearly Roger Stone. So I'm gonna

809
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: read a selection of that, which is again in the

810
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: middle of a bunch of very redacted stuff. In early

811
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: August two thousand and sixteen, redacted Twitter suspension of the

812
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: goose off two point oh to Twitter account after it

813
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: was reinstated, JRU officers posing his goose for two point

814
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: oh wrote, redacted via private message, thank you for writing back.

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00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: Do you find anything interesting in the docks I posted

816
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: on August sixteen the jar you added. Please tell me

817
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: if I can help you anyhow, It would be a

818
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: great pleasure to me. On September sixteen, the GRU, again

819
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: posing his goose off two point oh, referred to a

820
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: stolen Democratic campaign document posted online and asked Roger Stone, probably,

821
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: what do you think about the info on the term

822
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: an out model for the Democrats entire presidential campaign? Roger

823
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Stone probably responded pretty standard. The investigation did not identify

824
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: evidence of other communications between probably Roger Stone and goose

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00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: it for two point out. So there's a lot of

826
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: talk between Roger and goosef um. But he's saying the

827
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: information you got us is pretty standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

828
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: it ain't ship it ain't ship um. But there's still

829
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation there, which that's the stuff they could

830
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: show you. Yeah, yeah, that's the stuff that they were

831
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: able to show you. Um, now, if there's any chance

832
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: she still thought Julian Assange was anything but a partisan hack.

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00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Here's something he wrote to his colleagues in November two

834
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Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. That's in the Mullar Report. We believe it

835
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: would be much better for Goop to win. DIM's plus

836
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: media plus liberals would then form a block to rain

837
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: in their worst qualities. With Hillary in charge, Geop will

838
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: be put pushing for her worst qualities. DIMS plus media

839
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: plus neoliberals will be mute. She's a bright, well connected,

840
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: sadistic sociopath Juliana Sange talking about Hillary Clinton talking about

841
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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, which might be an accurate description of Hillary Clinton,

842
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: but uh, statistics seems weird because She's would be more interesting. Yeah, yeah,

843
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: that's probably I'm going to guess anyone who rises to

844
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: her level in politics has a little bit of sociopath

845
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: in him. But I feel like any career politician, yeah,

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00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: you gotta have a little bit. I just yeah, I

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00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if she had like some small German

848
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: children tied up in her basement that she just like

849
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: stuck pins in every once in a while, just to

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Speaker 1: gate on us here just saying like, probably not in

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Speaker 1: her basement, but maybe like a secret bunker that she

852
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: walks to in the woods. But yeah, I don't, I

853
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to say that.

854
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: But I can see where I can see where her

855
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: like dislike for Hillary Clinton. Yea, yeah, where where that

856
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: can come from? I mean, he also hated Obama, and

857
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's like, yeah, but we want

858
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: GOP doesn't really make sense because they seem to violate

859
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: everything that he and he was fairly about their worst

860
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: excess as being reined in. That's part of what I

861
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: find interesting there, is like, yeah, that's not how that

862
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: worked out. You think he convinced himself of that or

863
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: was just lying to commence others of that. I think

864
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: he might have. It's hard to say. With Julian Assange. Um,

865
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: we we do know from the document that wiki leaks

866
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: and goose for two point oh cooperated consistently and effectively

867
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: to derail the Clinton campaign. Um. They were in constant conversation.

868
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: Wiki Leaks sent them a message on July six thousand

869
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: sixteen through Twitter saying, if you have anything Hillary related

870
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: we would want in the next TWEO, which is he

871
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: misspelled to days prefab preferably because the DNC is approaching

872
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: and she will solidify Bernie supporters behind her. After Goose

873
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: for two point oh responded, Okay, I see Wiki Leaks explained.

874
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: We think Trump has only a chance of winning against Hillary,

875
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: so conflict between Bernie and Hillary is interesting. So again

876
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: Julian Assange coordinating directly with Russian intelligence to try to

877
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: drive a wedge between Bernie voters and Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Um,

878
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: Now the seth Rich stuff is by far the most

879
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: disgusting thing in here, and yet another reason that I

880
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: am very angry at Julia sange Um. The report makes

881
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: it incredibly clear that after seth Rich had died, when

882
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: he was receiving documents on the d n C leaks,

883
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: he was lying in public press announcements and essentially saying

884
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: it might have been seth Rich. Um. So again this

885
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: is and again he's getting all of his information after

886
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: seth Rich is already dead, so he knows it can't

887
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: be seth Rich. So on August nine, sixteen, the Wiki

888
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: Leaks Twitter account posted announced WikiLeaks has decided to issue

889
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: a US twenty award for information leading to conviction for

890
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: the murder of DNC staff or Seth rich On August,

891
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: Assange was asked in an interview, why are you so

892
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: interested in Seth Riches killer? He responded, We're very interested

893
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: in anything that might be a threat to alleged Wiki

894
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: leaks sources. The interviewer responded to a Sange by saying,

895
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to reveal your source, but

896
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: it certainly sounds like you're suggesting a man who leaked

897
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: information to wiki leaks was then murdered. Sang replied, if

898
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: there's someone who's potentially connected to our publication and that

899
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: person has been murdered in suspicious circumstances, it doesn't necessarily

900
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: mean that two are connected, but it's a very serious matter.

901
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: That type of allegation is very serious and it's taken

902
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: seriously by us. So just to give everybody context, this

903
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: is referring to right wing conspiracy theory that this h

904
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: d n C staffer who was murdered in d C

905
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: during the election. Uh, they started the conspiracy theory that

906
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: he was the one who Wiki leaked the documents. He

907
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: was the d n C leaguer and was murdered by

908
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Hillary's murdered by Hillary Clinton, and as San stoked that

909
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, which is number one and fathomily cruel to

910
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: seth Rich's family at a point at which he knew

911
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: it was not seth Rich, because he was getting he

912
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: was communicating with these people and getting these documents well

913
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: after seth Rich was dead, very obvious to him where

914
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: this had all come from. We know that for a

915
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: point of fact, he was lying and stoking a bullshit

916
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: about the the murder of seth Rich in order to

917
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: hurt Hillary Clinton. That seems to have been the primary

918
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: Even more, Yeah, which is the most in a document

919
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: full of despicable things, might be the most despicable thing

920
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: in the entire mold the report. Yeah, especially with Rat's Julian,

921
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: what his family has gone through. And Yeah, just becoming

922
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: this like business like just taking this person's murder for

923
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: this political narrative and almost unspeakably evil. Yeah. With regards

924
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: to um the Trump campaigns or uh conspiring with coordination

925
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: coordination with Wiki leaks. So one of the details that

926
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: we talked about on The Daily Zeitgeist last week or

927
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: a few days ago was that if the Trump campaign

928
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: had been coordinating with Wiki leaks and wiki leaks like

929
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: or if they have been doing what they did with

930
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: wiki leaks to Goose of Forer, like, if they weren't

931
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: that one step removed, then it would have been a

932
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: criminal conspiracy. Like do you think they were working with

933
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: wiki leaks knowing that wiki leaks was one step removed

934
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: and that protected them politically, And that's why they were

935
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: going through wiki leaks as opposed to just going directly

936
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: to the source. I don't think that they knew. I

937
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: don't think they ever I don't even know if they

938
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: ever thought about it. They just knew that wiki leaks

939
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: had this stuff like in in you know, in defense

940
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: of the Trump campaign. Uh, it's entirely possible. They just

941
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: thought Wiki leaks had damning information that they had gotten

942
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: from one of their usual sources and no idea. Now

943
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: later on, especially in the after election period, it becomes

944
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: very clear that it was the Russians, and Trump continues

945
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: to deny that it was the Russians, even as his

946
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: advisors are being like, it was definitely the Russians. Um,

947
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: but they were like they didn't like, the Trump campaign

948
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know that wiki leaks was getting all their

949
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: stuff from the Russian government Wiki leaks almost certainly knew

950
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: what was going on. Lionissange is not a dumb dumb dummy.

951
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: Um yeah, And just since you bring it up, and

952
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get to this later. But the Trump continuing

953
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: to deny that it was the hack was Russia? Does

954
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: that fall within the scope of Mueller's report? Um? Yeah,

955
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's in there. And they continued to deny,

956
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: like even after it became very clear that there was

957
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: Russian involvement. Yeah, that that's included from what Hope Picks

958
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: told him. It was because he just could not stay

959
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: the idea of people trying to delegitimize the election, and

960
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: because you know, because everything about him is fake. So

961
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: his wealth, he can't show you his tax returns because

962
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: he's not actually wealthy, and he doesn't want to get

963
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: into it because then that will expose him if he

964
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: even acknowled. I don't think out of self preservation, he

965
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: might not even being able to acknowledge that's what it is,

966
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: because it's like I didn't know. Of course, I didn't

967
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: get help from the Russians. I did it myself. Oh,

968
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: I found the quote that I had from after Trump

969
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: made his open call for to the Russian government to

970
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: hack uh, Hillary Clinton's email. We said, Russia, you know,

971
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: please get us her emails. This is what the Mueller

972
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: report says, word for word. Within approximately five hours of

973
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: Trump statement, GRU officers targeted for the first time Clinton's

974
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: personal office after candidate Trump's remarks. Unit to six five,

975
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: which is the unit of the g RU that was

976
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: doing this, created and sent malicious links targeting fifteen email

977
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: accounts that the domain, including an email account belonging to Clinton.

978
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: To Clinton aid, the investigation did not find evidence of

979
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: earlier GRU attempts to compromise accounts hosted on this domain.

980
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, the Muller report is incredibly direct

981
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: about that, right, Um, so that's why it's total bullshit. Yeah,

982
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: which is so funny. Yeah, we went from total exoneration

983
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: to total bullshit. Now. The contacts with campaign Trump campaign

984
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: about Wiki leaks section of the Mullar report is heavily redacted. Uh,

985
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: there's a section in there that's literally In debriefing with office,

986
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates said that a whole

987
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: paragraph of redacted from harm to ongoing matter, and then

988
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: Gates are called candidate Trump being generally frustrated that Clinton

989
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: emails had not been found. Paul Manafort, who had later

990
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: become campaign chairman, an entire paragraph of things is redacted.

991
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's again they may the Trump campaign very

992
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: well may have known who was behind the DNC leagues

993
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. There's a lot that's redacted there, Like who

994
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: knows what's going on there? Right? Um, I mean with

995
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: regards to Trump saying he doesn't know that it's Russia,

996
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: like he's acknowledging that he got help from somebody. He

997
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: just doesn't want it to be Russia for some reason. Yeah,

998
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: and he denied that. And he definitely had contact with

999
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: the PETE like in colluded with the people who had

1000
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: the Russian hacked documents, but it wasn't directly with the

1001
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: Russian government. Yeah. The footnotes about Manafort in the in

1002
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: the in the in the mular report are pretty pretty great. Uh, this,

1003
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: this version of it appears like versions of this paragraph

1004
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: appear in multiple times. Manafort entered into the police pleagreement

1005
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: with our office. We determined that he breached the agreement

1006
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: by being untruthful in proper sessions and before the grand jury.

1007
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: We have generally recounted his version of events in this

1008
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: report only when his statements are sufficiently corroborated to be trustworthy,

1009
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: to identify issues on which Manaforts untruthful responses made themselves

1010
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: be of evidentiary value, order to provide Manaforts explanations for

1011
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: certain events, even when we were unable to determine whether

1012
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: that explanation was credible. So basically, Manafort lied so much

1013
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: that we couldn't include a lot of what he said because,

1014
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: like he there's just nothing you can take out of

1015
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: what he Yeah, he's a pro. He's a pro. You know,

1016
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: he's a great. Lot's amazing when you're so full of ship,

1017
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: like someone who's even trying to investig I honestly don't

1018
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: even know this motherfucker said so much bullshit. The former

1019
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: head of the FBI is like, he's so full of ship.

1020
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm almost impressed that he's still breathing. He did a

1021
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Yoda voice for an entire session and completely fucked with me, asshole.

1022
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: You get it. You really get the feeling that Bob

1023
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: Mueller might hate Paul Manafford as much as I do. Oh,

1024
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Uh, it's it's pretty great. Now. Much of

1025
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the stuff that Trump said to Cohen about Wiki leaks

1026
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: is redacted due to ongoing investigations, which is, you know,

1027
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: did to the stuff that Maniford said. Cohen and Trump

1028
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: both seems to have talked at length about their communications

1029
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: with Trump about Wiki leaks, but that ship is all

1030
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: black barred. So here's another heavily redacted paragraph. According to Gates,

1031
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: by the late summer two thousand and sixteen, the Trump

1032
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: campaign was planning a press strategy, a communications campaign, and

1033
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: messaging based on the possible release of Clinton emails by

1034
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: Wiki leaks. Three or so sentences of redacted stuff, and

1035
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: then in the middle of a sentence, while Trump and

1036
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: Gates were driving to Laguardi Airport, fully redacted sentence comma.

1037
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: Shortly after the call, candidate Trump told Gates that more

1038
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: releases of damaging information will be coming. So again, might

1039
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: be some direct ship. This might be some of that

1040
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: evidence he was said that that they had of direct cooperation,

1041
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: or it might be like I don't know, or yeah,

1042
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: or that's it went through too many channels to get there,

1043
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: or it's like, well, yeah, it was this person. Too

1044
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: much was deleted, you know. Yeah, But what Michael Cohen

1045
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: didn't He says like I'll come to the hill and

1046
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll tell you everything that I can tell

1047
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: you that what was probably redacted in there. Yeah yeah,

1048
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: Mr Messy, Mr Messy. Well, I mean, look, maybe he

1049
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: can get a couple of years knocked off his sentence. Yeah,

1050
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he can. Um, and maybe his daughter will

1051
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: show up to court with three crutches. Um. There's stuff

1052
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: about the Trump Tower in Moscow. UH. Most of it's

1053
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: not super interesting. It seems like it was pretty haphazardly pursued,

1054
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: although it is interesting how directly the Russians wanted to

1055
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: tie the Trump Tower deal to the election. That part

1056
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: is interesting. The carrot was that. That's the carrot on

1057
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: the stick. I mean yeah, they seem to have tried to. UH.

1058
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: On November three, the day after the Trump Organization transmitted

1059
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: the letter of intent, Felix Sayer emailed Cohen suggesting that

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Speaker 1: the Trump Moscow project could be used to increase candidate

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00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Trump's chances at being elected, writing, Buddy, our boy can

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00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: become president of the USA, and we can engineer it.

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00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: I will get all of Putin's team to buy in

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00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: on this. I will manage the process. Michael Putin gets

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00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: on stage with Donald for ribbon cutting for Trump Moscow

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00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: and don to owns the Republican nomination and possibly beats Hillary.

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00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: And our boy is in. We will manage this process

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: better than anyone. You and I will get Donald and

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00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: Vladimir on a stage together very shortly that the game changer.

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00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: Later that day, sat Up followed up. Donald doesn't stare down,

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00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: He negotiates and understands the economic issues in. Putin only

1072
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: wanted to deal with a pragmatic leader. A successful businessman

1073
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: is a good candidate for someone who knows how to

1074
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: negotiate business politics, whatever it is, all the same for

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00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: someone who knows how to deal. So that's really direct

1076
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: offers from Felix Sayer. But Cohen does not appear to

1077
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: have said, yes, let's crime in those explicit words. But

1078
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: again there's like a bunch of offers directly from people

1079
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: connected to Putin to help with the campaign. We can

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00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: engineer this, Yeah, we can engineer this, because I mean

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00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, they if you invite it, if you

1082
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: make it clear that you don't know that this is wrong,

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: they're just gonna keep making offers, keep going like it's

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be NonStop. It's like, you know, have

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00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: a termites and not taking care of it. It's just

1086
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna keep feeding on on the rot until uh,

1087
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,959
Speaker 1: your house falls down around you and your wife gets

1088
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: mad at you. Yeah, and you're on the toilet, but

1089
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: luckily the house collapse neatly around you. Yeah, now in

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00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: there an there, right. Guess I did have a shower

1091
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: collapse on me once, like the structure. Yeah, yeah, the

1092
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: roof of the shower fell on me while I was

1093
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: taking a shower. This isn't like a slum I used

1094
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: to live. I was about to say, like, knowing you,

1095
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: you're like, well, it was the shower very late. It

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00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: was great that we didn't have a roof in the

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00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: shower for weeks, which was actually okay because it's a

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00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: shower so when it's raining, it's not the biggest deal

1099
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: in the world. So it was bombay. How are you alive? Oh,

1100
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm a highlander. India just gained independence alright. So Cohen

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00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: does not recall Trump talking directly about the potential impact

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00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: the tower project would have have on the election, so

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00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: he apparently he says he didn't bring that to Trump,

1104
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: But Cohen does recall conversations with Trump in which the

1105
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: candidates suggested that his campaign would be would be or

1106
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: that the tower would be an infomers or that they sorry.

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00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: Cohen recalled conversations with Trump and which Trump suggests that

1108
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: the camp the political campaign would act as an infomercial

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00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: for his properties, which is some evidence to the idea

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: that Trump never expected to win. Yeah, I fully believe. Yeah,

1111
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: who knows, but that does make me think that might

1112
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: have been part of it. Um. There was repeated talk

1113
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: of Cohen and candidate Trump visiting Russia, but the trip

1114
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: never panned out, possibly do in large part of the campaign.

1115
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: Outside of the Tower deal, they were numerous attempts made

1116
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: by Russians to get Trump to attend or speak out

1117
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: the St. Petersburg economic form. He turned them all down

1118
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: due to time constraints. Joseph Miffsud is a Multese national

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: and a professor at the London Academy of Diplomacy. He

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: has connections to employees of the Internet Research Agency. Miff

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00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: Sud met our old buddy George Papadopoulis in the spring

1122
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: of two thousand and sixteen, after Papadopolis had become a

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00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: policy advisor to the Trump campaign. The two discussed myth

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: subs mith Sud's European and Russian connections and had a

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00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: discussion about Russia. Mifsud offered to introduce Papadopolis to European

1126
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: leaders and leaders with contact in the Russian government UH

1127
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: and essentially, Papadophoulis went on to repeatedly try to set

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: up a meeting between Donald Trump and the Russian government. UM.

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01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: After these meetings with myth set, he continuously tried to

1130
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: do that. It seems that for the most part, he

1131
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: was just trying to increase his value to the campaign

1132
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: by brokering a meeting between the two, like, and there's

1133
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: a lot of that in here, where like the most

1134
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: direct collusion is individual members of the campaign trying to

1135
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: get Trump in the room with somebody so that they

1136
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: can increase their value to the campaign. UM. Which is again,

1137
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: the only person associated with Trump during the election who

1138
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: actually was loyal to him was Michael Flynn. That that

1139
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: is made repeatedly clear. Papadopolis is just trying to get

1140
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: a job after the election. Yeah, it's pretty pretty fascinating.

1141
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: The most damning evidence of this is Carter Page. He

1142
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: worked for the Trump campaign from January to September sixteen,

1143
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: becoming a foreign policy advisor in March. He had worked

1144
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: in Russia and lived in Russia before, and had direct

1145
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: contact with Russian intelligence officers. Um. He continuously attempted to, uh,

1146
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: basically push the Russian government, lying on things like Ukraine

1147
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: and meetings with the Trump campaign and get the Trump

1148
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: team to adopt plans that would be like like reducing

1149
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: sanctions and stuff the Russian government would like. Again, not

1150
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: direct collusion, other than like you could say carter Page

1151
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: was colluding, but like not the campaign itself colluding. Um.

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: This is the guy that Republicans are like, they illegally

1153
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: looked into carter Page and they had no right to

1154
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: do that. Essentially, those PISO warrants, they were right. He

1155
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: was like overtly criming and working on clearly working on

1156
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: behalf of Russia. And the fact that intelligence looked into

1157
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: him doesn't seem that suspicious. No, it seems like you

1158
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: would be not doing your job if you didn't look

1159
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: into carter Page. But that's what's so mind blowing about conservatives,

1160
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: Like they're actually not They're just ignoring the biggest factual

1161
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: thing to start with is that a foreign government tried

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01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: to meddle in the way that we elect our president. Yeah,

1163
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: regardless of what side. Yeah, and I think that's they're

1164
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: they completely blow by that to then get it lost

1165
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: in the weeds of like, oh, Carter Page was really

1166
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: really unfairly targeted or whatever, rather than like, rather than saying,

1167
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is terrible. What We're not even

1168
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: able to operate on our own as a country to

1169
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: choose our leaders. That's weird. Yeah, Okay, So the Trump

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Speaker 1: Tower meeting, the actual meeting itself does seem to have

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01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: really been a nothing burger. Like the Russians, there was

1172
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: absolutely corrupt intent and the planning of it. Donald Trump

1173
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: wanted to get information on the clampaign directly from the

1174
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: Russian government, but none of that was really communicated during

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01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: the meeting. It was really just an attempt to get

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01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: them to talk about the Magnetski actum And there's a

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01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: lot of evidence that corroborates that they kind of got

1178
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: tricked into the meeting. Uh Kushner. We actually know that

1179
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: Kushner sent a message to Manifort during the meeting calling

1180
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: it a waste of time, and then message too of

1181
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: his assistants to try to get them uh to like call,

1182
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: so he had an excuse to leave. I love that.

1183
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: Our move, yeah, power move. But again there's Donald Trump

1184
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: Junior might get in criminal trouble for this. This might

1185
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: be one of the things. There are fourteen ongoing investigations

1186
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: as a result of the Mulder Report. We only know

1187
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: what two of them are, and a lot of the

1188
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: stuff is redacted around the meaning that might be like

1189
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: some of it might be because Donald Trump Junior is

1190
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: being looked at for it. Um, there's other stuff in

1191
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: the report that makes it seems like Mueller is saying

1192
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't think that. Like it's like Donald Trump Junior

1193
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: was committing a crime but can't be charged for it

1194
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: because he didn't really know what he was doing and

1195
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: there was no corrupt intent, innocent by way of stupidity,

1196
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: by way of stupidity by just like sheer incompetence, which

1197
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like my Donald Trump Junior. No, he was

1198
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: like father calls him like too dumb to live, and

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01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: he is he you know when you see the pictures

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01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: of him when he's when he's out in the woods hunting,

1201
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: I just wish he never left the woods. You're like,

1202
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: there goes a dumb guy, and then you read about

1203
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: his actions and you're like, wow, Wow, it's even worse,

1204
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: Like how did he just not spontaneously catch fire? For

1205
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: how does not forgetting to keep breathing? Uh? The So

1206
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: the twelve investigations fourteen right, fourteen two that we know

1207
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: about twelve that we don't Yeah, quick maths for you,

1208
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: like who who are who is looking into those investigations?

1209
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: Who's in charge of that? We don't know specifically. Essentially,

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01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: what the Muller report says is that while they were

1211
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: doing their investigations, because they were not making prosecutorial judgments here,

1212
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: so this was not about them saying like this document

1213
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: was not about them saying like, we found crimes here,

1214
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: but when they found evidence of crimes, um that we're

1215
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: outside of the scope of the investigation or that like

1216
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: they weren't pursuing for whatever, they would refer to other

1217
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies. And it happened fourteen times. So the

1218
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: Mueller investigation is over, but fourteen criminal investigations are ongoing

1219
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: elsewhere in the government as a result of things uncovered

1220
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: in the Muller investigation. We only know about two of them. Again,

1221
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: that would seem to be a big headline from this

1222
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: report that it kicked off four teen criminal investigations. But

1223
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: you know what, better than not that way, the right

1224
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have time to try and figure out how to

1225
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: smear that. Yeah, I think we're fine, because William Barr

1226
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: said so. It's honestly, like some of this is kind

1227
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: of the opposite of a Nixon, where like Nixon is

1228
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: this guy who's orchestrating a vast web of crimes and

1229
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: then a cover up. And Trump may not have committed

1230
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: crimes during the election, but everyone around him did, and

1231
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: then he committed crimes covering it up. That that kind

1232
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: of seems like a lot of what happened here is

1233
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: that everyone around him was a gross criminal and he

1234
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: was a dumb guy. And then even though he wasn't

1235
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: at risk initially because like he wasn't initially under any

1236
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: investigation at all, and the only reason he personally became

1237
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: under investigation is because of the obstruction of justice, which

1238
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: is great presidenting. Yeah, isn't it funny? Like what if

1239
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: because it was around Michael Flynn, you know, and if

1240
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: that was the one guy who had his back, like

1241
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: to think like this romantic sense, Trump had Flynn's back

1242
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: and then causes all this other ship to go down. Yeah,

1243
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: there's a little colonel of sweetness there, because you do

1244
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: get the feeling that Trump kind of likes guy. He's

1245
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: a good guy. I'm telling you he's a good guy. Yeah,

1246
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I catch him crying in the bathroom

1247
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: and the only human emotion at the center of this

1248
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: camp between Trump and Michael Flynn. That's a really good

1249
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: I think about romance novel cover Gone with the Flynn. Yeah,

1250
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: what do you what do you call your listeners? I

1251
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: don't your little sons of bitches zekegang in bastard lovers.

1252
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: Somebody make that art, yeah, somebody, huh yeah, please, someone

1253
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: make that romance art. Somebody make Gone with the Flynn,

1254
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: because I really, I mean not that it's totally like that,

1255
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: but if there is a version where Trump kind of

1256
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: gets there is some murky stuff, but really he just

1257
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: like he's like, he finally, this is his first friend.

1258
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: This is the first person he's ever done something selfless for. Right,

1259
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: he just thinks of all the times Michael Flinn like

1260
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: sincerely laughed at this and remembers everyone's fake laughter. We

1261
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: were going to go fishing in Montana well, and he

1262
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: is a general, so it does fall into the category

1263
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: of people Trump is capable of respecting. Yeah. I think

1264
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: that's the only category that might be the only military generals. No,

1265
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: you know what, he really really fucking likes the attorney

1266
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: generals who committed uh crimes to protect their presidents. Oh yeah,

1267
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: that's true. He did. A big fan of a big

1268
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: fan of well, I don't know about crimes, A big

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Speaker 1: fan of Bobby Kennedy and Eric Holder. Yeah. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that he that the report repeats like four or five

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: times that he's like, where's my Bobby Kennedy? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: That he says some variation of like Bobby Kennedy protected

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: his brother, like Eric Holder protected Obama. Which also there's

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01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: a part of it where I wonder if like he's

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01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of making uh like a like a brother's statement too,

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: because he's like Kennedy hired his brother Eric or Obama

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: hired Eric Holder, And it's like what are you what

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01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: do you say? Are you get? Like you should have

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01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: seen it. I was there. They're all brothers. Like the

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: way he words it makes me think like there's a

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01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: little bit of like a little on the way that

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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: he calls Tim Tim Apple brothers. It's weird. Um, but yeah,

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: so uh it should come as no surprise to that.

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: Other than the heavily redacted Roger Stone, the most directly

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01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: criminal member of the Trump campaign staff by far was

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Speaker 1: Paul man Afford, who cannot avoid committing crimes. Um, Like,

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01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: I think he would shut down if he had to stop. Um,

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01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of yeah, this is this is where

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: we get to the stuff about Constantine clinic. Uh, like

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: them sharing polling data and whatnot. A cigar bar right day,

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't say it was that. That was

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01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: another one. I remember Rick Gates and Manafort went with

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: somebody at a cigar. I think Paul Manafort has spent

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,440
Speaker 1: most of his waking hours and cigar bars. Yeah. Yeah,

1295
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: And he's the most carcinogenic thing in he makes the

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: cigars around him say yeah, like yeah. He keeps getting

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: trouble in prisoner, like are you smoking in me? It's

1298
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: just like coming off his poise, Like I know, just

1299
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: s if he stops committing crimes, he would immediately catch cancer. First.

1300
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: He's like the bus from speed but with I have

1301
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: to break sixty laws a minute. Something has to be

1302
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: poisonous about me. It's either my actions or the way

1303
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: my cells are dividing. Yeah. Um, so we already got

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01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: over a lot of the Paul Manafort stuff. There's a

1305
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: great quote in here that I want to read. The

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01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: Office reviewed numerous Maniford email and text communications and ask

1307
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: President Trump about the plan in written questions. The investigation

1308
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: did not uncover evidence of Maniforts passing along information about

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01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: Ukraine in peace plans to the candidate. This was the

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: plan to give Russia control of Eastern Ukraine or anyone

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01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: else in the campaign or administration. The Office was, however,

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: not able to gain access to all of Manafort's electronic communications.

1313
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: In some instances, messages were sent using encryption applications, and

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: while Manafort denied that he spoke to members of the

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01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: Trump campaign or the new administration about the peace plan,

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: he lied to the Office and the Grand Jury about

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01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: the peace plan and his meetings with Columnic, and his

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: unreliability on this subject was among the reasons that the

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: district District judge found that he had breached his cooperation agreement.

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: So we don't know that Paul Manafort went to the

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Speaker 1: president and said, we we can work with Russia. They'll

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: help us out if we give them eastern Ukraine. But

1323
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: Mully goes out of his way to say I can't

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: say that that didn't happen because Paul Manafort lies about

1325
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: literally everything and deleted all of his communications with the campaign.

1326
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: And this goes back to the big question that I've

1327
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: always had that I think is one of the strangest details,

1328
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: is that, well, I'm sorry I got so much while

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01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: Russia is, you know, intervening on behalf of the Trump campaign. Uh,

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: the Republican platform for at the two thousand sixteen R

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: and C suddenly adjust to and to incorporate a very

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: pro Russian stands. But that was something in the report

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01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: the language from lethal aid too. I forget exactly what

1334
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: they used, but they like soften the language of the

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: aid we were providing the Ukrainian government against the Russian backs.

1336
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: But wasn't there something in the mother report that actually

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: said that they couldn't find that strong connection between the

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01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: platform change and some kind of direct like uh, stimulation

1339
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: prodding from the Russians. It doesn't say that it just

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: like I think it's at least from my recollections, this

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: didn't make it into my notes. But like they went

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Speaker 1: into a lot of detail about how that changed, and

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: they talk about maniforts communications with the campaign, but they

1344
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: don't have a smoking gun that's definitely clear. Oh, just more.

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: I guess the way they summed it up was there

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: are several prominent contacts but were innocuous. Yeah, it's it's

1347
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: again one of those things where like a lot of

1348
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: stuff was deleted. We don't we don't know what was

1349
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: what was said there. But also it could have just

1350
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: been that Paul Manafort was pushing a pro Russian lying

1351
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: on Ukraine, so was uh what's named Carter Page. So

1352
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: we're other people in contact with the campaign, and like

1353
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: it may have been those people repeatedly stating their opinions

1354
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: that caused some of the softening of the campaign, which

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: isn't illegal. Yeah, no, I mean it just sounds like

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: there's also they did a good job of having many

1357
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: ways to create pressure around it to guide people in

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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: a certain direction, and they did a lot of good

1359
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: atmospheric pressure creating. So they're saying a lot of people

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01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: provide like applied pressure and a lot of people were

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: talking about it. They couldn't say that directly that there

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01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: was a they could actually draw a line to that

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: platform change in some kind of communication with somebody, aside

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01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: from the fact that many people were kind of but

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: innocuous is a very strong word, isn't It Doesn't that

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: mean like not harmful or offensive? So I guess that

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: could just mean legally not something. Yeah they just said,

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01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't really else something on like even though it

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: looks like that on their service, like oh suddenly there

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: aren't like the platforms changing, but they just there weren't

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01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: those stronger connections. Points to the nature of this whatever

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: you want to call it, whether or not it's a

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: conspiracy with with you know, Nixon, which is our other

1374
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: political touchdown of this kind of corruption. It was very

1375
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: much emanating from the center, whereas the corruption here was

1376
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: all pushing towards Trump, who appears to have just been

1377
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: kind of focused on improving his brand and shouting at

1378
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: people and like, whereas the Russians would were reaching to

1379
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: everyone around him, and a lot of those individual people

1380
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: did stuff that was unethical or straight up criminal as

1381
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: result of the Russians reaching out to them. Um, but

1382
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,879
Speaker 1: it was not a coordinated effort between the campaign and Russia.

1383
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: So rather than one gigantic crime, it was a million

1384
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of tiny half crimes that create one big that

1385
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: created and wouldn't have created a crime in regards to

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, although again you know it's possible that he

1387
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: had some contact with Manafort, like which again the document,

1388
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: but like the crime was specifically started in large part

1389
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: when Trump was like started obstructing the hell out of

1390
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: some justice, which is why he wasn't under investigation until

1391
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: that point. Um, because of his love for Michael Flynn,

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: because of his his deep and honestly they're bros to

1393
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 1: hear that, like, especially when everyone else is such a snake.

1394
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: That's Michael and so ship out of luck to all

1395
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: of this too, Like he's fucked, He's got no money. Yeah,

1396
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: his like his son is like come on man, yeah,

1397
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: fucking dad. Like even Donald Trump's like he's a good man,

1398
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of the great. You do hate Flynn

1399
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: less than everyone else involved in this. And I say

1400
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: that as someone who deeply dislikes Michael Flynn, Right, that's

1401
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: what's so odd about it all. There's at least a

1402
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: kernel of like redeeming human loyalty and Michael Flynn he

1403
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: was so direct talking to Russian studios like I'll do

1404
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: it I'll do it. I'll do the work I gotta do. Yeah. Um,

1405
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: but he was also trying to get rich to so

1406
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: he he also was let off fairly easy for somebody

1407
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: who was like directly undermining. Yeah, Like he's not going

1408
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: to get anything close to the worst penalty that comes

1409
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: out of this that will hopefully be a manafort and

1410
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: ought to be manifort. Yeah. And like the thing is

1411
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: like Flynn wasn't involved long enough to get at that

1412
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: point much priming done because there's mostly all of his

1413
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 1: interactions with the ambassadors and like being a Turkish agent

1414
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: and those other things that he's mostly in trouble for

1415
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: and being just a good solid bro, good solid bro,

1416
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: you know. So uh, it's speaking of people who are

1417
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: caught committing crimes that are evident stuff in the Mular Report.

1418
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Eric Prince, my favorite. So, Eric Prince

1419
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: testified to Congress that he met with Kirol Dmitri of

1420
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: only once during his trip to the Seychelles, where they

1421
01:15:54,439 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: talked about stuff they wanted to do. Um. So uh

1422
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 1: he testified that I only met once. The Molar Report

1423
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: reveals that they met on two separate occasions, including one

1424
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: in which he attempted to get the Russian government to

1425
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: change the course of an aircraft carrier and send it

1426
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: away from Libya so that they wouldn't interfere with things

1427
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: that were going on in Libya, which is again evidence

1428
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: that Palm or that Erik Prince lied to Congress about

1429
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: the extent of his conversations with Karl dmitriev um, which

1430
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: I think is pretty cool. Also that Steve Bannon seems

1431
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: to have been the guy orchestrating the whole meeting, and

1432
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: that Bannon seems to have been giving Eric princes marching orders. However, Uh,

1433
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: Prince deleted all of his text messages and so we

1434
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: don't know the exact extent of what Bannon was ordering

1435
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: him to do or what they were asking to talk about. Um.

1436
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: So again, uh, probably something shady with Bannon there, um,

1437
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: although one part of it is that Bannon was just

1438
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: trying to get Prince something to do and didn't really

1439
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: care about what went on there, which is like, yeah,

1440
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: you go go meeting the say shehells with this guy.

1441
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: He's like Eric, Eric loves just getting on both loves

1442
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: and stuff, having James Bond meetings and stuff, say shells.

1443
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: That sounds like it sounds like a James Bond place.

1444
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: Get him out there. Did you see that in Meddi

1445
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: Hassan interview? Oh god, yeah, that was so cringing. And

1446
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: he's like, so, what were you doing the stay show?

1447
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, just meetings, meeting anyway. He liked

1448
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: the Congress. That's what you said. That's what you say.

1449
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: That's what you says. But I don't know what it's like. No,

1450
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm reading the court transfer according to you. No, that's

1451
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: what you said transcript in what language? All right? Never mind?

1452
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: So their Portarso reveals that Rick Garrison, a hedge fund

1453
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: manager and friend of Jared Kushner, also worked with Karl

1454
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: Dmitriev to put together a plan for better relations between

1455
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Russia and the US. One of the results of this

1456
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: was the meeting after Trump became president between him and

1457
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. Uh. They put together a list of like

1458
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: things to talk about during the meeting that apparently seems

1459
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: to have been used as like the minutes for that meeting.

1460
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: Most of its pretty banal stuff like we're improving relations

1461
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: and like cooperation to fight terrorism and all that sort

1462
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. YadA YadA, YadA. Um. Garrison's interests seems to

1463
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: have disappeared after the financial deal he was working with

1464
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: Demitrio fell apart um, which again goes into the general

1465
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: pattern you see around like with the people who are

1466
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 1: around Trump, um, which is that, uh, everyone in Russia

1467
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: had a very specific set of goals with like in

1468
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 1: terms of lifting sanctions and in terms of Ukraine that

1469
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to get people around Trump to push, whereas

1470
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: everyone on the Trump side of things was working on

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01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: their own personal goals, like like Garrison didn't give a

1472
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: shit about what was discussed in the meeting. He wanted

1473
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: to set the meeting up because it would get him

1474
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: in good with Demitriovs that they could make like a

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01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 1: financial transaction essentially. Um. So everyone on the Trump side

1476
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: of things had their own, very like niche personal interests

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Speaker 1: at heart, and Russia was pushing a couple of very

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Speaker 1: specific lines. You know, we want sanctions lifted, we went

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: control of eastern Ukraine. Um, we don't want Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: to be president. Like, Russia was very focused the whole time.

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: Everyone around Trump, except for Michael Flynn, was focused on

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01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: like their own personal careers. Yeah, and Russia's that's how

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: Russia uses people as they find out what your motivation is,

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: what your fears are, and then you know, find ways

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01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: to make you do what they want. And if you

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01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: have enough people who are just so self serving, it's

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01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: like it's like chumming the waters. And there's a hundred

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: sharks tethered to Trump, so naturally that that's gonna d

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01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: pull all these fucking creatures in one direction. A hundred

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01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: sharks and one dolphin named Michael just gets. Also, one

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01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: of Kushner's Russian contacts gave him a bag of dirt.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was funny, like a literal bag, a

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01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: literal sack of dirt from the town in Belarus where

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: his family came from. Oh that's that's pretty fun He

1495
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: was like, here's dirt on see that Joe made. I

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01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: should have brought the emails. I also like that if

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01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: the sac of dirt the guy who rises just a

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01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: total scum lords like just anything like, yeah it is

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01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: from your town man, Yeah, yeah, that's from where your

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Speaker 1: family comes from. One there by on foot, like is

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01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: there an old fantom bottle cap in? So the explanation

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01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: in the Mullar report for why the June ninth Trump

1503
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: Tower meeting probably wasn't a crime. It's really interesting to me. Quote,

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01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: there are reasonable arguments that they offered information would constitute

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01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: a thing of value within the meaning of these provisions,

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01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: which is the provision that determines whether or not the

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01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: law was broken and setting up this meeting. But the

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01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: Office determined that the government would not be likely to

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01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: obtain and substain a conviction for two other reasons. First,

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01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: the Office did not obtain a missible evidence likely to

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01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: meet the government's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: that these individuals acted willfully i e. With general knowledge

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: of the illegality of their conduct. And second, the government

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01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: would likely encounter difficulty improving beyond a reasonable doubt that

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01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: the value of the promised information exceeded the threshold of

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01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: a criminal vi elation. How do you monetarily attach the

1517
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: value to Hillary damaging internation on Hillary Clinton? That's why

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: we don't know if Donald Trump Junior and Kushner committed

1519
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: a crime and organizing emmy. I would say, just if

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01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: someone told me you'll have a I have a hard

1521
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: drive full of hacked Hillary Clinton emails, I would imagine

1522
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: that the price tag just to start off, you'd be

1523
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: like ten grand Tim Grant at the low end. The

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01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: low end, I mean, I know people who do dift

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: for less. But like I think, all right, well, I

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01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: guess realistically, if I wonder if there is a way

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01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: you could, it's too abstract a trends. And also you

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01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: don't so you're going blind. You don't know what's on

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01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: the emails, what's in the emails. The look, bro, I

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01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: got these emails, any one them or not? And Grant

1531
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: it could because it could just all be Hillary Clinton

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01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: talking about her charity if prints for me. Yeah, that's

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01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: what a lot of her emails were. It is Prince Princess,

1534
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't like to read on my computer screen. Yeah,

1535
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: she's an old lady who doesn't like computers. Um. So,

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01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: the Mueller report states, after that paragraph I just read,

1537
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: the Special Counsel's office decided not to charge Donald Trump

1538
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: Junior or other campaign officials for the meeting. But then

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01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: the next three pages are redacted due to an ongoing investigation,

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01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: which again seems to suggest that someone else might charge

1541
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: Trump Junior for what he was doing in that meeting

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01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: at some other point. Um, because the investigation is still ongoing. Um.

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01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: The two of like of the fourteen allegations of potential

1544
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: crimes that the Mueller investigation headed off handed off to

1545
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: other departments. The only two we know of are Michael

1546
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: Cohen and Greg Craig, who was a former Obama Council

1547
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: like White House counsel to President Obama. But Craig was

1548
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: not charged for his work during the Obama administration. He

1549
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: was charged for acting as an unregistered agent of the

1550
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: Ukrainian government in the past before he came to work

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01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: for Obama. Um. So those are the two of the

1552
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: fourteen that we know what they are. And this is

1553
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: the end of part one because Part two of the

1554
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: Mueller Report is what comes up next. And so now

1555
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about struct in prove it. But

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01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: Sophie says it's time for an ad break. Oh my god.

1557
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: So first off, Sophie, Yeah, whoa, I threw the bagels.

1558
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,879
Speaker 1: Robert just threw Sophie across the room and into the wall.

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01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: Holy ship. Stop calling her a bag of bagels. Yeah,

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01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty pretty hard, pretty harsh. Um. Yeah, man,

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're moving product in this episode. I'll tell

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01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: you what I am moving product as well as tossing bagels. Um.

1563
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Speaker 1: Buy things. Here we go, guys, we're gonna take a

1564
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back

1565
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: and we're back. Sorry, Jacket is really trying to take

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01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: over this podcast. Where can people find you? That later?

1567
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: But first, Robert, what's something from your search history? Good question?

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01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: What is instruction of justice one of the many things

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01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and I actually have in common? We have

1570
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: a surprising number of things a common. Yeah, he and

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01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: I had the same literary agent one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 1: Trump's literary Yeah, he's thanked in one of his books,

1573
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:21,759
Speaker 1: Bird Bird and Waxman. Well, like, no, it's just what happens.

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01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: You work, you work with whoever. He wasn't president yet,

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01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: you have to say that. Uh? And then would he

1576
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: got three? Wrote songs about our relatives. Yeah, he wrote

1577
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: a song about what do You Got Through? Wrote a

1578
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: song about how Donald Trump's dad refused to uh let

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01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: black people stay in his buildings? Uh? And what do

1580
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: You Got Through? Wrote a song about my relative, pretty

1581
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: boy Floyd, for beating a cop to death with a

1582
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: log chain for cursing at his wife. Wow, yeah, that's

1583
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 1: pretty cool man. Pretty boy grabbed a log chain and

1584
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: the deputy grabbed his gun, and in the fight that followed,

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01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: he laid that deputy down dozens sort of a cross rhyme.

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01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, hey, look when you're pretty clear, abou

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01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: a guy who beats somebody to chain the rhyme? Um,

1588
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: I like your uncle's story better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shouldn't

1589
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: be cursed in front of pretty boy Flood's wife. I've

1590
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: always said that you have now. The second part of

1591
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: the Mueller report opens by noting that it is specifically

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01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: not ruling on whether or not there was obstruction of

1593
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: justice because to do so, among other things, undermine the

1594
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,799
Speaker 1: president's ability to be president. Uh and also in general,

1595
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: because the Special Council can't make rulings on such things

1596
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: because it would be like a separation of powers. Thing.

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01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 1: One thing I've seen people say is that this is

1598
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: essentially Mueller's argument as to why Congress should impeach Um.

1599
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty fair summation of things, because Mueller

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01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: is essentially saying, I can't declare the president guilty of

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01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: a crime. And there's a number of reasons that are

1602
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,919
Speaker 1: more complicated that I that I I'm just not competent

1603
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: to get into um. But it's not my job it's

1604
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: not the special counsel's job, it's not the FBI's job.

1605
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: Congress needs to look like, make a decision. And here's

1606
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 1: my case for why. There's a lot of evidence of

1607
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. And I do think that is the

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01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: fairest way to sum up Part two as saying, here's

1609
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of evidence the president obstructed justice. Congress, do

1610
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: your job. I'm handcuffed, so just you know, but here's

1611
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: this whole instruction manual. Yeah. I've seen some articles from

1612
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: more right wing publications where they're like Mueller dropped the

1613
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: ball by not saying that Trump didn't obstruct justice. He

1614
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: should have like made a decision one way or the other.

1615
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: It's about two hundred pages of that are basically like,

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01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: I can't say that he committed obstruction of justice, but

1617
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: if I could say that, I would. But here's a

1618
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: description of him obstructing justice. Here's about how he obstructed justice.

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01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, alright, let's say murder. But he said beat

1620
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: a guide to death with a change change, So all right, well, yeah,

1621
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a murder. I'm gonna quote from the

1622
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,440
Speaker 1: Mueller report here. Quote. Uh. First, traditional prosecution or delineation

1623
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution,

1624
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,799
Speaker 1: but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment.

1625
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: The Office of Legal Counsel has issued an opinion finding

1626
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: that the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting president

1627
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to

1628
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: perform its constitutionally assigned functions and violation of the constitutional

1629
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: separation of powers. So again, that's Mueller's explanation for why

1630
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: he's not going to say whether or not a crime

1631
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: was committed. Um, But he does go out of his

1632
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: way to say that the president can still be charged

1633
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: with the crime after leaving office and dicted after leaving office. Uh.

1634
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: And then he notes this, if we had confidence, after

1635
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: a thorough investigation of the facts, that the president clearly

1636
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,

1637
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: which is the second time in the report that he

1638
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 1: says accordingly, Well, this report does not concluded the president

1639
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: committed a crime. It also does not exonerate him. Repeated

1640
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: word for word on three different times, says this does

1641
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: not exonerate the president. So that's cool. It's like he's

1642
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: trying to tell us, the evidence we obtained about the

1643
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that present prevent

1644
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. The

1645
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: evidence we found of crimes makes it difficult to say

1646
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 1: that there were no crimes. Yeah, uh cool, so yeah,

1647
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: so I mean, you know, Congress can look into it. Yeah,

1648
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what's so also frustrating about just

1649
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: how conservative media chooses to just ignore these things for like,

1650
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: just I think all they can do is point to

1651
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump isn't in jail and saying like, well,

1652
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: if he did something wrong, be in jail. So even

1653
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: though there's all this stuff like no, but you're also

1654
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that I'd imagine if Robert Mueller was

1655
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: brought up to the Hill and asked, like, if this

1656
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: were a private citizen, does this look like regular straight

1657
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: up crime to you, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,

1658
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: it's crime. Yeah. The Mueller investigation makes a lot, says

1659
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a lot about the anger President Trump felt when Jeff

1660
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Sessions recused himself. Talks repeatedly about his multiple, multiple constant

1661
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: attempts to get Jeff Sessions to unrecuse himself. A word.

1662
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if existed. It's always in quotation marks,

1663
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not I think he might have coined that

1664
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: to which it's a word. Now, well, why can't why

1665
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: can't my dog undie daddy? Yeah, he's never had a dog, Yeah,

1666
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: I know, but I had yeah yea. Uh. Now, the

1667
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: President's remediately made all of his problems worse by trying

1668
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: to co worse people into saying he wasn't in trouble.

1669
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this next paragraph, which is about sort

1670
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: of him trying to get Comy to to uh go

1671
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: after or to stop going after Michael Flynn because there's

1672
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: some there's some beautiful shade in there. In the following days,

1673
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: the President reached out to the Director of National Intelligence

1674
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: and the leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency and the

1675
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 1: National Security Agency to ask them what they could do

1676
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: to publicly dispel the suggestion that the President had any

1677
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 1: connection to the Russian election effort or Russian election interference effort.

1678
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: The President also twice called Comy directly, notwithstanding guidance from

1679
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: again his lawyer to avoid direct contacts with the Department

1680
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: of Justice. It goes out of its way to be

1681
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: like the law President's lawyer said don't do this, and

1682
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:45,480
Speaker 1: the president did this. Um. There's a lot of fascinating

1683
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: information and here about how Trump manages a team during

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01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: a crisis. UM. And honestly, this chunk of the report

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01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: is worth everyone reading in full. I am going to

1686
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: read another quote about a meeting he had with Lewandowski.

1687
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: The president asked about the status of his message for

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01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: Sessions to limit the Special Council investigation to future election interference. Lewandowski, Yeah,

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01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: he wanted to limit the Muller investigation to future Russian

1690
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: in Yeah, exactly. I just saw this movie with Vandam

1691
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: Time Cop. Yeah, like any Time Cop it to the

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01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: next lection. But that doesn't make I don't think was

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01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: that known that he was trying to get it to be.

1694
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: I think this might be one of the new things

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01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: that we learned in the investigation. What does that even

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: mean that he wanted to me investigate if they can

1697
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: do it in the future. Don't talk about what they

1698
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: did in just talk about what they might do in

1699
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: very specific request for someone who committed no crist That's

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01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: one of the things that makes me think he did

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01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: commit direct crimes. I'm kind of on the fence about

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01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: like whether or not his behavior inten prior to the

1703
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice was like direct cooperation because it's kind

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01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: of hard to say, um, or maybe they don't realize

1705
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: that this is something that was happening way four like

1706
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: like well five years. We might want to look at

1707
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: making your president. Yeah, like it's entirely possible, Like I

1708
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 1: I just don't I just don't know. But it's none

1709
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: of us, none of us. It seems like, just just

1710
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, uh so, um, yeah, this is great.

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01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 1: Further attempts to have the Attorney General take control of

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01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: the investigation. Uh In early summer two seventeen, the President

1713
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: called Sessions at home to again ask him to reverse

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01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: his recusal from the Russia investigation. Sessions did not reverse

1715
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: his recusal. In October two seventeen, the President met privately

1716
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: with Sessions in the Oval Office and asked him to

1717
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 1: take a look at investigating Clinton. In December two seventeen,

1718
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: shortly after Flynn pleaded guilty pursuant to a cooperation agreement,

1719
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 1: the President met with Sessions in the Oval Office and suggested,

1720
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: according to notes taken by a senior advisor, that if

1721
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: Sessions unrecused and took back supervision of the Russia investigation.

1722
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: He would be a quote hero, the President told Sessions,

1723
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything or direct you to

1724
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: do anything. I just want to be treated fairly. In response,

1725
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Sessions volunteered that he had never seen anything improper on

1726
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: the campaign and told the president there was a whole

1727
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: new leadership team in place. He did not unrecuse, So

1728
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: it's like four times just there. The Special Council notes

1729
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: that it did not make a traditional prosecutorial judgment again

1730
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 1: about the President's behavior, but states that the evidence they

1731
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: found supports a few general statements about him, most of

1732
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: which boiled down to he may have obstructed justice, but

1733
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: it's hard to say since the evidence suggests he doesn't

1734
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: commit he didn't commit the underlying crime, but actively, you know,

1735
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: did act to damage the investigation. UM. So yeah, that

1736
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: that that's repeatedly stated. Um. The President ultimately refuses to

1737
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: be interviewed as the result of investigation, but provided some

1738
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: written answers. H Muller gives an explanation as to why

1739
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: the or he did not choose the subpoena the president

1740
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: to force the investigation. Ultimately, while we believe that we

1741
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: had the authority and legal justification to issue a grand

1742
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: jury subpoena to obtain the president's testimony. We chose not

1743
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: to do so. We made that decision and view of

1744
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: the substantial delay that such an investigative step likely produced

1745
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: at a late stage in our investigation. We also assessed that,

1746
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: based on the significant body of evidence we had already

1747
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: obtained on the president's actions and his public and private

1748
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,799
Speaker 1: statements describing or explaining those actions, we had sufficient evidence

1749
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: to understand relevant events and to make assessments without the

1750
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:19,799
Speaker 1: president's testimony. Yeah. Uh, there's a lot of really heavily

1751
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: redacted paragraphs in this part, the most interesting of which

1752
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 1: is this one. Uh. Within the Trump campaign aids, this

1753
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 1: is about the DNC hacks. AIDS reacted with enthusiasm to

1754
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: reports of the hacks. Sentence redacted. Discussed with campaign officials

1755
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 1: that Wiki Leaks would release the hacked material. Some witnesses

1756
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 1: said that Trump himself discussed the possibility of upcoming release

1757
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: releases a couple of words redacted. Michael Cohen, then executive

1758
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: vice president of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump,

1759
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: recalled hearing two or three sentences redacted. Cohen recalled the

1760
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: Trump responded, oh good, all right, and sentence redacted. Manafort

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01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 1: said that shortly after Wiki leaks July two thousand sixteen

1762
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 1: release of hacked documents, he spoke to Trump. Sentence redacted,

1763
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: man fort and these are all redacted due to an

1764
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: ongoing case. Manafort recalled that Trump responded that Manafort should

1765
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 1: sentence redacted, keep Trump updated. Deputy campaign manager Rick Gates

1766
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: said that Manafort was getting pressure from a couple of

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01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: words redacted information, and that Manafort instructed Gates a couple

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01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: of words redacted, uh status updates on upcoming releases. Around

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01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the same time, Gates was with Trump on a trip

1770
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: to an airport. Sentence redacted, and shortly after the call ended,

1771
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information will

1772
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: be coming. Sentence redacted. We're discussed within the campaign and

1773
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: the summer of two sixteen, the campaign was planning a

1774
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: communication strategy based on the possible release of Clinton emails

1775
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: by Wiki leagues. There it seems to be that sounds

1776
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 1: like cooperating crime happening. Just the number of redactions. Yeah,

1777
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: that's some That's the sketchiest paragraph in the whole thing.

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01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Um At least that to my eyes, we should make

1779
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: a mad Libsler report. We should make a mad Lives

1780
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: of the Muller Report. I'm just gonna use the word

1781
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, but far yeah, most fartu Gate was Gates

1782
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: with was with Trump on a trip to the airport.

1783
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: Far far far far far fart fart, and shortly after

1784
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: the call end, Trump told Gates that more releases of

1785
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: damaging information will be coming. Fart fart, fart, fart. We're disgusted.

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01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that works, no or just but no, just make

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01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: a sentence. So it's the most damning because he speaks

1788
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: knowledgeably about what wicked Leaks is about to do, basically

1789
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, right, yeah, yeah, just like we talked about. Yeah,

1790
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: oh good, this this thing that I know is happening. Good.

1791
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 1: So Paul came through on that. Yeah, good man of

1792
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 1: Fort um So. My favorite story, and maybe the whole

1793
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: Molder report, is the tale of Donald Trump's lunch with

1794
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: Chris Christie after firing Flynn. Now, this is on February four, seventeen,

1795
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: the day after Flynn resigned. Um So, Trump had lunch

1796
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: at the White House with just Chris Christie. Quote. According

1797
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: to Christie, at one point During the lunch, the President said,

1798
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: now that we fired Flynn, the Russia thing is over.

1799
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: Christie laughed and responded, no way. He said, this Russia

1800
01:36:58,320 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: thing is far from over, and we'll be here on

1801
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day two thousand to eighteen talking about this. The

1802
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 1: President said, what do you mean Flynn met with the Russians?

1803
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,839
Speaker 1: That was the problem. I fired Flynn. It's over, Christie recalled,

1804
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: responding that based on his experience both as a prosecutor

1805
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: and as someone who had been investigated, firing Flynn would

1806
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: not end the investigation. Christie said there was no way

1807
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: to make the investigation shorter, but a lot of ways

1808
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: to make it longer. The President asked Christie what he meant,

1809
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: and Christie told the President not to talk about the investigation,

1810
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: even if he was frustrated with at his time. At times,

1811
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: Christie told the President that he would never be able

1812
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: to get rid of Flynn like gum on the bottom

1813
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: of your shoe. Towards the end of the lunch, the

1814
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: President brought up Comy and asked if Christie was still

1815
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,799
Speaker 1: friendly with him. Christie said he what was. The President

1816
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,600
Speaker 1: told Christie to call Comy and tell him that the

1817
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: President really likes him, tell him he's part of the team.

1818
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: At the end of the lunch, the President repeated his

1819
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: request that Christie reach out to Comy. Christie had no

1820
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: intention of complying with the President's request that he contact Comy.

1821
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,839
Speaker 1: He thought that the president's request was nonsensical and Christie

1822
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: did not want to put Comy in the position of

1823
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: having to receive such a phone call. This is one

1824
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: of like five times the President tells someone to talk

1825
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: to Comy or someone else to try to get them

1826
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 1: to do something, and that person just doesn't do it.

1827
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, okay, And just like again, it's like

1828
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: with McGann when he's like fire Muller and he's like,

1829
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: I'm packing my ship. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonen yea.

1830
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: This is nuts, like really previous, but I'm not doing

1831
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 1: this crazy ship. And I just love that. Like Christie

1832
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,600
Speaker 1: specifically tells Mueller, I've been investigated for crimes, so I

1833
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: know what to do and it's nothing. Also, I just

1834
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: love that his Also Trump is so confused because he's

1835
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: used to this corporate thing. He's like, what Michael was stealing?

1836
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: Fire him? Okay, good, that's that's delt yeah, like and

1837
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, it's not over. What do you mean, Yeah,

1838
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean his Christie's advice is good, Like, you can't

1839
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 1: you can't shorten the investigation, but you can make it

1840
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 1: longer by committing crimes, So don't do. And then again,

1841
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: who knows. Without it would have been like if you know,

1842
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: if Jared Kushner wasn't in the way of Chris Christie

1843
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: actually joining the White House Chris, it definitely seems like

1844
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Trump would have handled all of this better if Christie

1845
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: had been closer to you know. When you also think

1846
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: about it, he doesn't listen to anyone, so it could

1847
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 1: have been a holographic ghost of his father. Christie McGann

1848
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: might have taken the same lift away from the White House,

1849
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: like you know. So the report heavily corroborates Comy's claims

1850
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 1: that Trump cleared out the room to speak to just

1851
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: him about letting Flynn go, a decision that could definitely

1852
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: be seen as a serious attempt to influence the investigation.

1853
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: Um he talks to other people besides Coney. That also

1854
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: lists Comey's notes and stuff. It definitely seems like based

1855
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: on everything the the Mueller investigation dug up. Comey's recitation

1856
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,560
Speaker 1: of events while he was head of the FBI is

1857
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: very credible, um the uh Mueller investigation and seems to

1858
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 1: be concluding that, like what Trump did was obstruction in

1859
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 1: this specific instance, although again it doesn't call it that

1860
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: because it's not going to make a prosecutorial judgment. Um. Well,

1861
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: the president said he hoped Comy could let let Flynn go,

1862
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: rather than affirmatively directing him to do so. The circumstances

1863
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: of the conversation show that the President was asking Comey

1864
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: to close the s v I S investigation into flint

1865
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:09,719
Speaker 1: like and so it began pretty clear. Yeah, Trump repeatedly

1866
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 1: whined about the investigation during intelligence briefings that comes up

1867
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: that like he would be talking about like isis and something,

1868
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 1: and he'd start whining about the investigation, and the briefers

1869
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do about it, Like they were like,

1870
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment, I don't really okay, right, Yeah,

1871
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: you have like someone from like this CI what about

1872
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: this Russia bullshit? Huh. Yeah. He did repeatedly complain that

1873
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: the Muller investigation was making his job as president impossible.

1874
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 1: But it seems like everyone he worked with besides him

1875
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: was trying to move on and just do their jobs,

1876
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: and he was the one that couldn't get rid over it,

1877
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 1: which I find interesting. Um, if he had been able to,

1878
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: most of the bad behavior in this section would not

1879
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: have occurred. Uh yeah. On at least two occasions, the

1880
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: President began the Presidential Daily Briefings by student that there

1881
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: was no collusion with Russia and he hoped to press

1882
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: statement to that effect could be issued. Pompeo, head of

1883
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: the CIA, recalled that the President vented about the investigation

1884
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 1: of multiple occasions, complaining that there was no evidence against

1885
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: him and that nobody would publicly defend him. Um. Yeah,

1886
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: that's it's it's pretty wild. Michael Flynn would have defended me. Yeah,

1887
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: he sure what a buddy, He sure would have um his.

1888
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: Trump repeatedly badgered Comy in other Department of Justice officials

1889
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: to announce that he was not under investigation. They tried

1890
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: to explain to him why this was a bad idea,

1891
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Speaker 1: but he did not listen to them. Trump basically used

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Speaker 1: compe firing Comey as an excuse to note that on

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Speaker 1: three occasions, the FBI director told him that the President

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Speaker 1: was not under investigations, Like it seems like his primary

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01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 1: reason in firing Comy is that Comey wouldn't state publicly

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Speaker 1: that he had told the President that he wasn't under investigation,

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Speaker 1: and Trump used the firing memo as an excuse to

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Speaker 1: say that, Um, yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: The Molar report definitely seems to be concluding that the

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Speaker 1: firing of James Comy may have also been an example

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Speaker 1: of obstruction of justice. Um, so that's pretty cool. What

1902
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: versions are? What version of the report are you looking at?

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01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Do you do you fucking think we'll believe? Now? What version?

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01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 1: Because we know for a fact Trump is not reading

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01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 1: the report? No, good god, no, no, it's a thing.

1906
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Speaker 1: We're probably not reading an entire article about the report.

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Speaker 1: Um there's a chance he might be might have listened

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01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: to bars entire summary, but like, what, what do you

1909
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: think he knows? Because it does seem like across the

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01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 1: days after the day after the report, he started calling

1911
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: some of the details bullshit, Like I just wonder, we've

1912
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Speaker 1: never had a president who can't or won't read before? What?

1913
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Speaker 1: How how is the information coming to him? Like how

1914
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: is he digesting? Is it just foxes? It seems like

1915
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Speaker 1: he mostly gets it from Fox News, right, That's been

1916
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: the past, But this is like such a specific doc

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Speaker 1: he meant, and it's so dense that like, I just

1918
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious like that. I mean, I'm sure there'll be

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Speaker 1: another book where someone talks about how they had to

1920
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: like dumb it, like cliffs notes it or just highlight.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't talk about how Trump gets his information, but

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01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: it does talk about how relentlessly when he's interested in something,

1923
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: like he was incapable of not asking everyone around him

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Speaker 1: to try to get Comy to drop the Flynn thing

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Speaker 1: when that was his focus. And then like when he

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01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 1: wanted someone to say that he wasn't being investigated, he

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01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: brought that up to every single person he talked to,

1928
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: because again, he's kind of incapable of listening to people,

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Speaker 1: especially when there's something on his mind like this. Right,

1930
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 1: I bet there's a lot of conversations happening where he

1931
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Speaker 1: implies that he's read the Muller Report, but everybody knows

1932
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: he hasn't. He's like, what do you think of it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: remember page I remember that part that was right? I mean,

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01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: total bullshit. Um. So the fact that like the so

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Speaker 1: the report notes that the firing of James Comey would

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01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: was never like going to close the investigation and could

1937
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: not have, which is a mark in the president's defense. Um,

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01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 1: it seems accurate to say that Trump's intent in firing

1939
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Comey was to punish him for not openly stating that

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Speaker 1: he Trump was not being investigated more than it was

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01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 1: an attempt to disrupt the investigation. That seems to be

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Speaker 1: the conclusion that the Mulder report makes. Uh. The analysis

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Speaker 1: of whether or not the President obstructed justice gets really

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Speaker 1: interesting after this point in the report. It notes that

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Speaker 1: his talk to Comy about the loyalty pledge, if you'll

1946
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Speaker 1: remember his asking Comy to be loyal does support the

1947
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Speaker 1: fact that he was trying to put the kabosh on

1948
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Speaker 1: the investigation. Um. But then it basically says that Mueller, Yeah,

1949
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this quote because it's pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 1: As described in Volume one, the evidence uncovered in the

1951
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: investigation did not establish that the President or those close

1952
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Speaker 1: to him were involved in the charge Russian computer hacking

1953
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: or active measure conspiracies, or that the President otherwise had

1954
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 1: an unlawful relationship with any Russian official. But the evidence

1955
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 1: does indicate that a thorough fd FBI investigation would uncover

1956
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: facts about the campaign and the president personally that the

1957
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: President could have understood to be crimes or that would

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Speaker 1: give rise to personal and political concerns. So he's saying that, like,

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Speaker 1: we didn't find any evidence of a conspiracy with Russia,

1960
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Speaker 1: but the evidence suggests that the reason the president was

1961
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: so worried about the investigation is because he committed a

1962
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Speaker 1: bunch of other crimes that he was worried wouldn't be revealed.

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Speaker 1: That's Comey stating that as directly as he can. Um. Mueller,

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Speaker 1: Mueller staging that. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of

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Speaker 1: circling back on a detail that we talked about earlier. Um,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of like Trump and the people around

1967
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 1: him having direct Russian ties. Somebody was pointing out, and

1968
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: this is a detail that I hadn't really heard. I

1969
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: think it was Andrew Sullivan was pointing out in the

1970
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Speaker 1: Intelligence or the New York Magazine thing that in the

1971
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 1: days immediately after the election, uh Putin and a lot

1972
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: of Russian officials were scrambling to try and get access

1973
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Speaker 1: to Trump. So that's kind of the best argument I've

1974
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 1: seen for why like the at least the idea that

1975
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 1: like there was some deep, deeply tied in uh conspiracy

1976
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: like probably isn't true like all the unless it's tempening

1977
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: through people around him right there. Yeah, yeah, because I don't. Yeah,

1978
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Speaker 1: it's hard to be like Trump fully knows the full

1979
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: extent of everything, knows like just enough to be to

1980
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,839
Speaker 1: know how to move, but not enough to seem completely

1981
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 1: on the hook for anything. And I think that some

1982
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Speaker 1: of that might be the Russian government giving him too

1983
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Speaker 1: much credit, because knowing what we know now, if I

1984
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: was the Russian government, I was trying to influence him,

1985
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: I would just have I would just reach out to

1986
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Speaker 1: someone on Fox News and get them to talk about

1987
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: the president should let Russia have Eastern Ukraine? Like that,

1988
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: you don't even you don't need to talk. He doesn't

1989
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Speaker 1: listen to people who talked to Like I'm gonna guess

1990
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Speaker 1: that's what Putin learned in their meeting, is that like,

1991
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy can't pay attention. Hear me,

1992
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: He's just talking about Comey, who the fund is? James

1993
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: to me, like a hand of that? Would you say

1994
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: that the investigation is not into me? Like right? Yeah?

1995
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Speaker 1: Um so uh it talks about for a while about

1996
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Speaker 1: how he repeatedly tried to file the special counsel McGan

1997
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 1: after McGann refused to uh talk about how they were

1998
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 1: conflicts of interest between Robert Mullen. What Trump thought was

1999
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: a conflict of interest is that Mueller had interviewed for

2000
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Speaker 1: the head of the FBI job and not gotten it, which,

2001
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: like everyone else was like, that's not conflict of interest.

2002
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: And he was like, you got to tell people about

2003
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: this conflict of interest. But it wasn't even that, but

2004
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: it's not. It was the golf course thing too. Oh wait, wait, wait,

2005
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 1: wait where he was like, Robert Muller tried to get

2006
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: into one of the golf courses. Oh that's not in here.

2007
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 1: Wait is that another one of them? Or maybe I

2008
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 1: missed it, look at but I'm one of the other

2009
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 1: things that was he was pointing to was like he's

2010
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: mad that he he tried to get into like a

2011
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: club and didn't or some other it was something. It

2012
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: was like, what you're also putting that layer on top

2013
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,759
Speaker 1: of it. Beautiful that that is a very Trump story,

2014
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Trump March three, But we have conflicts. I have a

2015
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 1: nasty business transaction with Robert Mueller a number of years ago,

2016
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: I said, why isn't that mentioned? He wants the job

2017
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 1: as FBI director. I mean, these are things that are

2018
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: out there, they know it. Why isn't that and I

2019
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:36,520
Speaker 1: didn't give it to him? Why isn't that mentioned? Wow?

2020
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: But what about the membership fees for Trump National Golf Course.

2021
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the nasty business transaction that he's talking about.

2022
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Bob Mueller couldn't golf at a mediocre golf course, or

2023
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: it was it was a dispute over fees or okay,

2024
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: so it wasn't so okay. Robert Mueller's family was members

2025
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 1: of the Trump National Golf Course. He said, we actually

2026
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 1: we're not even using the membership anymore. We'd like to

2027
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 1: cancel it. Can we get some more membership fees back?

2028
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: And they did, right, okay, but that was like pretty damning,

2029
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Speaker 1: Well this changes everything. Yeah, let's just throw this, you

2030
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 1: know what. I'm sorry we wasted everyone's time listening. I

2031
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: believe that a man was shot, who was shot in

2032
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:25,720
Speaker 1: combat for his country, would would because because golf club membership,

2033
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 1: of golf club membership, he recouped uh. And that I

2034
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 1: do think that is more than anything a window into

2035
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 1: trump psyche, because that is totally something he would do.

2036
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Speaker 1: Trump would burn this country down if someone somebody oft

2037
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 1: refund for yeah, oh yeah yeah. Now you probably have

2038
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: run into some of some quotes from pieces of Trump's

2039
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,520
Speaker 1: reaction when he was first told about the special counsel investigation.

2040
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Speaker 1: I want to read that little bit in full because

2041
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 1: it's it's good for the soul, and we could all

2042
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: use that. At this point, the President learned of the

2043
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: special council's appointment from Sessions, who was with the President, Hunt,

2044
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,759
Speaker 1: and McGann during conducting interviews for a new FBI director.

2045
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 1: Session stepped out of the Oval office to take a

2046
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 1: call from Rosenstein, who told him about the special council appointment,

2047
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 1: and Sessions then returned to inform the President of the news.

2048
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Speaker 1: According to notes written by Hunt, when Sessions told the

2049
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 1: President that a special council had been appointed, the President

2050
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 1: slumped back in his chair and said, oh my god,

2051
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 1: this is terrible. This is the end of my presidency.

2052
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,879
Speaker 1: I'm fucked. The President became angry and lambastad the Attorney

2053
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: General for his decision to not recuse the investigation, stating,

2054
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: how could you let this happen? Jeff The President said

2055
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:39,839
Speaker 1: the position of attorney General was his most important appointment

2056
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 1: and that Sessions had let him down, contrasting him to

2057
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: Eric Holder and Robert Kennedy. Sessions recalled that the President

2058
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: said to him, you were supposed to protect me, or

2059
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 1: words to that effect. The President returned to the consequences

2060
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 1: of the appointment and said, everyone tells me that if

2061
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 1: you get one of these independent councils that ruins your presidency,

2062
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:56,759
Speaker 1: it takes years and I won't people to do anything.

2063
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 1: This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

2064
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: The President told Sessions he should resign as attorney General.

2065
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Sessions agreed to resubmit his resignation and left the Oval office.

2066
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Hicks saw the President shortly after Sessions departed and described

2067
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: the President as being extremely upset by the special counsel's appointment.

2068
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: Hicks said that she had only seen the President like

2069
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 1: that one other time, when the Access Hollywood tape came

2070
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 1: out during the campaign. H chefs, Ah, it was it. Uh,

2071
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Eric Ericsson maybe was the one. So I'm trying to

2072
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Speaker 1: think of the person. Oh no, it was someone from

2073
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 1: Gateway Pundit. I think Jim Hofft who said that that line.

2074
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 1: The reason why the president acted responded, I'm fucked, it's

2075
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 1: over is because he knew that the deep state had

2076
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: now initiated a coup against him, and that was the reason. Yeah,

2077
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: m cool. It's just funny to see like the ways

2078
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 1: there like journalists on the right or trying to answer

2079
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 1: a rationalizing Oh yeah, it wasn't because he did anything wrong,

2080
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: because he knew the deep state was gonna suck and

2081
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So yeah, yeah, there's also just such

2082
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 1: child like little child vibes to it. This is the

2083
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: worst thing that's ever happened to me. And there's a

2084
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 1: lot about this that led to like you just hear

2085
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: how much how little trust everyone around the president has

2086
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 1: for him. Um So, Sessions gave in his resignation papers,

2087
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,720
Speaker 1: but Trump ultimately didn't ask him to resign yet, but

2088
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: the President kept his resignation left letter, and then Rerines

2089
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 1: previous was like, Jeff, you gotta get that letter back.

2090
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 1: It's going to be The words he used was a

2091
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 1: shot caller on the Department of Justice's neck, Like you

2092
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: have to take that back. Um So, the president tried

2093
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 1: to argue that Mueller interviewing for the Yeah, yeah, So

2094
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: the President tried to argue that Muller interviewing for the

2095
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 1: director of the FBI job was a conflict of interest.

2096
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon told him that was ridiculous and petty. Like

2097
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon called it petty because at least he's somewhat

2098
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: in touch with the version of reality. Some people are engaged.

2099
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: You have to be to be a good propagandists have

2100
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: to at least know what the world is. You'll be like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, cupcakes are making our kids all freaky

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Speaker 1: and ship. Like what it's speaking of cupcakes making our

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Speaker 1: kids all freaky and ship. We have some products now

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Speaker 1: for freak cakes. Freak cakes, they make your kids unhealthy

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Speaker 1: and think for themselves by umb. So, if you how

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Speaker 1: much money are we getting from the freak cakes people,

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Speaker 1: usually high number. First, your diamond encrusted grill says freak

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Speaker 1: cakes on it. Well, let me tell you about freak cakes, miles,

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Speaker 1: the only cakes that clean your teeth. Now, we're getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of pushback from big Dental here every morning,

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01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 1: dentists outside my door, picketing, fighting, fire bombing my windows.

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Speaker 1: That's why I've got those diamond girls on the Wendows,

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Speaker 1: so funk with big dentistry and buy some freak cakes.

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Speaker 1: We're back. Speaking of us being back, here's more of

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01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:13,719
Speaker 1: the Mueller report. Are you dead inside yet? Back? Because

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01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: Trump got stabbed in the back by the Deep States?

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01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 1: Sure did? Nice Jack, Jack returning on this round. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to robot everything you say. Oh boy, well, you're

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01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to about everything Mueller says, because you got

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Speaker 1: a we got a big mule quote here good, I'm ready.

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01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 1: So the President repeatedly hammered McGann, his lawyer, to try

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Speaker 1: and get to try to get McGann to call the

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01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: Department of Justice and tell Rod Rosenstein that Mueller had

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Speaker 1: to go. Uh. This next paragraph paints a very vivid

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01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,080
Speaker 1: picture of what it's like working for Donald Trump. When

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01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 1: the President called McGann a second time to follow up

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Speaker 1: on the order to call the Department of Justice, McGan

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Speaker 1: recalled that the President was more direct, saying something like

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Speaker 1: cal Rod, tell Rod that Mueller his conflicts and can't

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01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 1: be the special counsel. McGan recalled the President telling him

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01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 1: Mueller has got to go. Call me back when you

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01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: do it. McGann understood the President to be saying that

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01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 1: the special counselor had to be removed by Rosenstein. To

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Speaker 1: end the conversation with the president, McGan left the president

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Speaker 1: with the impression that McGann would call Rosenstein. McGan recalled

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01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: that he had already said no to the President's request,

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01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: that he was worn down, so he just wanted to

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01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: get off the phone. McGann recalled feeling trapped because he

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01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 1: did not plan to follow the president's directive, but did

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01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: not know what he would say the next time the

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01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 1: President called. McGann did decided he had to resign. He

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01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: called his personal lawyer and then called a chief of

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01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 1: staff and Annie Donaldson, informer of his decision. He then

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Speaker 1: drove to the office to pack his belonging to submit

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Speaker 1: his resignation letter. Donaldson recalled him again, told her the

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01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 1: President had called and demanded he contact the Apartment of Justice,

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Speaker 1: and that the President wanted him to do something that

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Speaker 1: McGann did not want to do. McGann told Donaldson that

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Speaker 1: the President had called at least twice and and asked

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Speaker 1: in one of the calls, have you done it just

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01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: real quick? Um? Because I have I listened to the

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01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 1: slow burn about the Clinton Lewinsky affair and the just

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01:55:54,120 --> 01:56:02,160
Speaker 1: the Watergate investigation and the level of intrigue and just

2154
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 1: Clinton doing bad things is so minimal that and the

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01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 1: Republicans freaked out about that for ten years in a

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01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: row basically and still are and still are freaking out

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01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: about it. And they have the balls to, uh say

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01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 1: that call our interest in this guy who can't who

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01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: can't stop committing crimes. They have the balls to call

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01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 1: that Trump derangement syndrome. I just wanted to put perspective

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01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 1: stop when crimes, when his employees who have a vested

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01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 1: interest in his political success, repeatedly say please, don't do anything,

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01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 1: You're not in danger, and then he endangers himself demanding

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Speaker 1: that they commit crimes, calling them at all hours of

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Speaker 1: the day, call Rode and say Mueller has to go.

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Speaker 1: He has conflicts, those conflicts again just like that, Yeah,

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01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 1: what was the problem. That's not how it works. What

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Speaker 1: do you mean? So McGann later told rens Prebus when

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Speaker 1: he was still trying to resign, that the President had

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Speaker 1: asked him to do crazy ship and seems to have

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01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 1: been on the verge of resigning, but eventually did not

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01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: in the President eventually dropped the issue because again he

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01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 1: has the attention span of a fourteen year old um

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Speaker 1: as to whether or not this is collusion. While the

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Speaker 1: President claimed he was just asking McGann to bring up

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Speaker 1: Mueller's possible conflicts of interest to the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 1: but and then the mole Report notes that some evidence

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Speaker 1: does support this, but quote substantial evidence, however, supports the

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Speaker 1: conclusion that the President went further and in fact directed

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01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 1: McGann to call Rosenstein to have the special counsel removed,

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01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 1: which again his substruction of justice. The report notes that

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Speaker 1: the president's conversations with numerous other people during this period,

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01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 1: including Prebus and Chris Christie, showed that he had an

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Speaker 1: intense desire to, in the president's words, knock out Mueller.

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Speaker 1: Kind of fun to think of mullotyping all that out now.

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01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: The evidence shows that the President was not just seeking

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01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 1: an examination of whether conflicts of interest existed, but was

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01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 1: instead looking to use asserted conflicts as a way to

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01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: termine the special counsel. So again, the conclusion by the

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Speaker 1: Muller Report is basically, the president committed obstruction of justice,

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01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 1: but we we can't say that because that's not in

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Speaker 1: the scope of this thing. Here's this outlining the obstruction

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Speaker 1: he committed. Here is a detailed description of him committing

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Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. Yeah. Also, that's a good it's a

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Speaker 1: good snapshot of what life is like for people who

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Speaker 1: work for Donald Trump. It's also a good testimony to

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Speaker 1: how to deal with a shitty boss. Just say yeah, yeah,

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01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 1: sure boss, and then don't do the terrible idea he's

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Speaker 1: telling you to do. That's that almost always works. Oh yeah,

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01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 1: it every day. Fuck you, Miles, Yes, sir, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get right away. Yeah. And and speaking of that, Jack,

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Speaker 1: there's another great detail of that later in the report

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01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: on again. This is like a December of two thousand seventeen,

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01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 1: after Flynn pleaded guilty of him hammering Jeff Sessions again

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01:58:55,400 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: to unrecus According to contemporaneous notes taken by Port, the

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01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 1: President said, I don't know if you could unrecuse yourself,

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01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 1: you'd be a hero. Not telling you to do anything.

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01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 1: Dershowitz says, potus can get involved, can order a g

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Speaker 1: to investigate. I don't want to get involved. I'm not

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01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 1: going to get involved. I'm not going to do anything

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01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 1: or to reckue to do anything. I just want to

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01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 1: be treated fairly. Huh. Yeah, Now, the report does seem

2213
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:19,800
Speaker 1: to suggest that Trump's constant attempts to get Sessions to

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01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 1: unrecuse himself were, in fact acts of obstruction, do they

2215
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: And they use quotes there too when they sound recused

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01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 1: in that instance, let me see yes, okay, yeah, so

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01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 1: I like so that really is like a shade move. Yeah,

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01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:35,600
Speaker 1: that's a shade move. This is not a word in

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01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 1: Trump vocabu you will unrecuse yourself. Yeah, So the report

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01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: does seem to conclude that Trump's constant attempts to get

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01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,960
Speaker 1: Session to unrecuse we're in fact acts of obstruction. Uh, Like,

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01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 1: I've seen the quotes every time, every time, every time

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Speaker 1: recused himself. He seems very irritated by this point. There

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01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 1: is Yeah, he's one. Just is fun this guy. He

2225
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 1: really frustrated at the President and at Paul Manafort. Yeah yeah,

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02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 1: well I hear he's reading the report for audible. So

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be Roberta. We actually are having handling on

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02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: behind the bastards soon. But we're not We're not talking

2229
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 1: about Trump. We're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna finally talking

2230
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 1: about how he nailed the NFL. We're gonna finally get

2231
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 1: that Mao episode out. Bob Mueller seemed like the guest

2232
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 1: for that. He's actually, if you heard his type five

2233
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:34,320
Speaker 1: down at the Comedy Factory, really solid. I was surprised

2234
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 1: he was doing so well with the prop bits. But yeah,

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02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:41,040
Speaker 1: he's actually, yeah, he's little racy, but uh yeah, right, yeah,

2236
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 1: really racy. It's like, yeah, well, because he says racy

2237
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:46,600
Speaker 1: and then pulls out an inflatable race car. Yeah, yeah

2238
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:48,520
Speaker 1: he does. It's a good joke. It's a good it's

2239
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 1: a good it's an afro on it. Yeah, that's what.

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Speaker 1: The report does seem to suggest that Trump's constant attempts

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02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 1: to get Sessions to unrecuse himself were in act acts

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02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:03,240
Speaker 1: of obstruction. Quote. There's evidence that at least one purpose

2243
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:05,440
Speaker 1: of the President's conduct towards Sessions was to have Sessions

2244
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 1: assume control of the Russia investigation and supervise it in

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02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: a way that would restrict its scope. A reasonable inference

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Speaker 1: from those statements and the president's actions is that the

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Speaker 1: president believe that an unrefused Attorney General would pay a

2248
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:17,960
Speaker 1: protective role and could shield the president from the ongoing

2249
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Speaker 1: Russia investigation. Um. Yeah, uh, it's constantly interesting to me,

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Speaker 1: how little loyalty and like is shown by the people

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Speaker 1: who are close to President Trump. Um. Yeah, uh. He

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02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 1: asked Rob Porter, the White House staff secretary, to deliver

2253
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:39,200
Speaker 1: the president's demands to Rigan that he don McGan that

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Speaker 1: he denied publicly the President had ever tried to fall

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Speaker 1: fire Mueller. Um. McGann dismissed that like the threat that

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Speaker 1: he would be fired if he didn't deliver this by

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02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:50,720
Speaker 1: saying that it would look bad for the president if

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02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 1: he did this, and McGann turn him down again. So

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02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 1: again he keeps ordering McGan to break the law, and

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Speaker 1: Began doesn't break the law. And that's part of why

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Speaker 1: the case against him as an clearer because people didn't

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Speaker 1: listen when he repeat, these are lawyers. Yeah. McGann acknowledged

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Speaker 1: that he had not told the president directly that he

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Speaker 1: planned to resign, but said that the story was otherwise accurate.

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Speaker 1: The President asked McGann, did I say the word fire?

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Speaker 1: McGan responded, what you said is Calrod Rosenstein tell Rod

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Speaker 1: that Mueller has conflicts and can't be the special counsel.

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02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 1: The President responded, I never said that. The President said

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Speaker 1: that he merely wanted Began to raise the conflicts issue

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Speaker 1: with Rosenstein and leave it to him to decide what

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02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 1: to do. McGann told the President that he did not

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02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:33,760
Speaker 1: understand the conversations that way and instead of heard call

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Speaker 1: Rod there are conflicts. Mueller has to go. The President

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Speaker 1: asked McGan whether or not he would do a correction,

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02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 1: and McGann said, no, do do a correction. Yeah, do

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Speaker 1: a correction. I'm sorry, let me do a correction. Really great,

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Speaker 1: And this is all about, by the way, a New

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02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:52,920
Speaker 1: York Times report stating that the President had tried to

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02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:56,120
Speaker 1: get McGann to fire Mueller, which Trump claimed publicly was

2280
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 1: all lies by the bias New York Times, and McGann

2281
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 1: himself was like, no, they got it right. No. That's

2282
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 1: a funny thing too, is so many journalists are vindicated

2283
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 1: to from this report to when things came out there

2284
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 1: like oh, this is all unfounded, blah blah, and a

2285
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is now in here. That's why

2286
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:13,600
Speaker 1: the Glenn Greenwald thing of him being like, see it

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02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:16,440
Speaker 1: was all bullshit is like, wait, did you even read

2288
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 1: the report, Because like, all this stuff you've been like

2289
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 1: saying was bullshit and overblown has been born out in

2290
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:24,960
Speaker 1: this report because Glenn Greenwald was not going to do

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Speaker 1: what I did and spend the entire all of yesterday

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Speaker 1: in a dank room drinking King Scotch and reading the

2293
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Speaker 1: Mueller Report. Because Glenn Greenwald lives on a mansion above

2294
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Speaker 1: a Brazilian favela filled with dogs, and it's better things

2295
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:39,120
Speaker 1: to do than read this report. Is that where he lives? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he makes like a million dollars a year. Yeah, he

2297
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Speaker 1: lives in Brazil, crushing it. I didn't know that with

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Speaker 1: his beautiful husband. He's one of the best journalists on

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Speaker 1: the planet. Oh God, bless you, God bless him. And

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02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: he lives above the favelas and where like Rio or something.

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Speaker 1: I think it's in or might piece up all I

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Speaker 1: don't off the top of my head. Yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it seems like the sort of thing that he had

2304
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 1: locked and loaded right before the report even came out.

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Speaker 1: There's no way he read it all. Good God, no

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Speaker 1: four hours. It would betray everything he's done up until then.

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Speaker 1: He's not. He's It took me eight and I really

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Speaker 1: half asked the reading of this report, guys, and I

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02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 1: know it's obvious. So this is all leading up to

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Speaker 1: my very favorite paragraph and the entire Muller report. Um,

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Speaker 1: and this is as he's he's talking to McGan. The

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Speaker 1: President also asked McGann in a meeting why he had

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02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: told Special Counsel's Office investigators that the President had told

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Speaker 1: him to have the special counsel removed. McGan responded that

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Speaker 1: he had to and that his conversations with the President

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Speaker 1: were not protected by attorney client privilege. The President then asked,

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Speaker 1: what about these notes. Why do you take notes? Lawyers

2318
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Speaker 1: don't take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes.

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02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 1: McGan responded that he keeps notes because he's a real lawyer,

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Speaker 1: and explains that notes create a record and are not

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Speaker 1: a bad thing. The President said, I've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of great lawyers like Ray Cohen. He didn't take notes,

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02:04:56,560 --> 02:05:05,560
Speaker 1: Boom mob lawyer Roy coh famous crime lawyer Roy like

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02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 1: Roy Cohne, because I'm not committing crimes that guarantee you'll

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Speaker 1: be impeached. Like, I'm not going to do that because

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Speaker 1: I'm a real lawyer. But Gan's one of the guys

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Speaker 1: who come across from this being like, well, at least

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02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:22,480
Speaker 1: your comt because I'm a real lawyer. Is such a

2329
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:29,440
Speaker 1: condescending answer to be giving to the President, and I'm

2330
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 1: sure to like with Trump, he's like not used to

2331
02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 1: being spoken to like that, and I'm sure Don McGann

2332
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:37,280
Speaker 1: is like, fuck you mode, I don't like ship. Trump

2333
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,600
Speaker 1: probably took all that. He's like because I'm a real lawyer,

2334
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:41,600
Speaker 1: because he's seen what's happening to Flynn. I'm not going

2335
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:44,320
Speaker 1: to go to prison for you, and other people probably

2336
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:48,000
Speaker 1: would never. I hope that Don McGann was so just shitty,

2337
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: like I mean, obviously fuck him, like guiding Brett Kavanaugh

2338
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 1: through the confirmation ship and he's a bad person, Like

2339
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 1: just if it were like a scene in a show

2340
02:05:57,880 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 1: of just being like, shut shut the funk up. Because

2341
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm a real lawyer, you fun. Because I'm a lawyer,

2342
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm taking it's not banned to take notes, Donald, I've

2343
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:08,560
Speaker 1: never seen that. You've never seen that. The TV show

2344
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 1: that it would be someone Right, Yeah, the TV show

2345
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:13,280
Speaker 1: that I would be from would not be House of Cards,

2346
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,160
Speaker 1: it would be Veep. Because you also have to imagine

2347
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 1: that McGann was taking notes of that conversation. Well, this

2348
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:23,520
Speaker 1: is telling him not to take notes. So Trump was

2349
02:06:23,560 --> 02:06:26,520
Speaker 1: then like, you're doing it again. It's like, you know,

2350
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 1: asking about notes, said creating record just said, but Roy

2351
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:34,160
Speaker 1: Khane didn't do that. Okay, I got what I need, Yeah,

2352
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:37,120
Speaker 1: Mr President, like I got a lot of tables. Man,

2353
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:39,720
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. Yeah. Next we get

2354
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:42,600
Speaker 1: into a bunch more stuff of the Manifort stuff, which

2355
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 1: again it's a lot of obstruction e stuff there you

2356
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:47,880
Speaker 1: can read it. We already talked about a lot of

2357
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:50,520
Speaker 1: Maniforts crimes, a decent amount of it still redacted. We

2358
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 1: get to what's probably Roger Stone next. But again everything

2359
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:56,120
Speaker 1: about Stone is redacted right now, so it's a little

2360
02:06:56,120 --> 02:07:00,000
Speaker 1: bit hard to say. There is a partially redacted paragraph,

2361
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 1: uh talking about the President Michael Cohen that makes Donald

2362
02:07:03,480 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 1: Trump sound exactly like a mob boss. So I'm gonna

2363
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 1: read that next. A few days after the searches, the

2364
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 1: President called Cohen. According to Cohen, the President said he

2365
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:12,320
Speaker 1: wanted to check in and asked if Cohen was okay,

2366
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 1: and the President encouraged Cohen to hang in there and

2367
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:17,880
Speaker 1: stay strong. Cohen also recalled that following the searches, this

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02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 1: is after Cohen's house had been searched, Uh, he heard

2369
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: from individuals who were in touch with the President related

2370
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:25,680
Speaker 1: to Cohen the President support for him. Cohen recalled that Blank,

2371
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 1: a friend of the president's, reached out to say that

2372
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 1: he was with the boss bosses Capitalized and mar Lago,

2373
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:33,920
Speaker 1: and the President said he loves you and not to worry.

2374
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:37,440
Speaker 1: Cohen recalled that redacted for the Trump organization told him

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02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 1: the Boss loves you, and Cohen said that redacted, a

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02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:42,640
Speaker 1: friend of the presidents told him, everyone knows the Boss

2377
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:46,720
Speaker 1: has your back. Uh. That's that's that's a mob ash ship.

2378
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 1: That is a mob ship. But it's also like very touchy, feely, warm, yeah,

2379
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 1: sentimental for Trump. Yeah, and an army general. Yeah, Like

2380
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:00,760
Speaker 1: that's probably as warm and feely as my Michael Cohen

2381
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:05,960
Speaker 1: has ever been, including like on his wedding night. So yeah, yeah.

2382
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:12,560
Speaker 1: The fact that he has turned and sorry, I take

2383
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:14,840
Speaker 1: a bullet for him, well, and I'm gonna testify, but

2384
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 1: he has to say it and in the third person,

2385
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:21,400
Speaker 1: because saying you would be like two emotional and he

2386
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 1: said that. The report concludes the President probably knew and

2387
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 1: directly approved of Michael Cohen lying to Congress. The evidence

2388
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:31,840
Speaker 1: could support an inference that the President was aware of

2389
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:35,840
Speaker 1: these facts at the time of Cohen's false statements to Congress. Um.

2390
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:39,560
Speaker 1: So again, so the president probably committed a crime, and

2391
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:42,880
Speaker 1: the evidence could probably support that he committed a crime. Yeah, Yeah,

2392
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 1: that's what Mueller seems to be saying. At the conclusion

2393
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,320
Speaker 1: of the report, it reiterates that it will not make

2394
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:52,480
Speaker 1: traditional prosecutorial judgments, but does note some conclusions in this investigation.

2395
02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:54,720
Speaker 1: The evidence does not established that the president was involved

2396
02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 1: in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference, but

2397
02:08:57,640 --> 02:08:59,680
Speaker 1: the evidence does point to a range of other possible

2398
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:03,080
Speaker 1: person emotives animating the president's conduct. These include concerns that

2399
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 1: continued investigation would call into question the legitimacy of his election,

2400
02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:09,600
Speaker 1: and potential uncertainty about whether certain events such as advanced

2401
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:12,560
Speaker 1: notice of Wiki leaks's release of hacked information, or the

2402
02:09:12,640 --> 02:09:16,040
Speaker 1: June nine, sixteen meeting between senior campaign officials and Russians,

2403
02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:18,959
Speaker 1: could be seen as criminal activity by the president, his campaign,

2404
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:22,160
Speaker 1: or his family. Third, many of the president's acts directed

2405
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 1: at witnesses, including the discouragement of cooperation with the government

2406
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 1: and suggestions of possible future partners, occurred in public view. Well,

2407
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:31,120
Speaker 1: it may be more difficult to establish that public facing

2408
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:33,920
Speaker 1: acts were motivated by a corrupt intent. The President's power

2409
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 1: to influence actions, persons, and events is enhanced by his

2410
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:39,920
Speaker 1: unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications,

2411
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 1: and no principle of law excludes public acts from the

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02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:45,560
Speaker 1: scope of obstruction statutes. At the likely effect of the

2413
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: access to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice

2414
02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:55,240
Speaker 1: system's integrity is equally threatened. That seems so damned like

2415
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 1: such a sane description of what the president was doing

2416
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 1: than like nobody was using like those sorts of straightforward

2417
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:07,760
Speaker 1: words to describe what he was doing for so long,

2418
02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:11,840
Speaker 1: and he's just like, no, this is how it works.

2419
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:17,000
Speaker 1: You can't publicly intimidate people. Yeah. Muller notes that the

2420
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:20,720
Speaker 1: president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but

2421
02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:23,120
Speaker 1: that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president

2422
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:25,680
Speaker 1: declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.

2423
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:29,880
Speaker 1: He kept urging them to do crimes, and they were

2424
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 1: just a little too smart to do it, right. Yeah. Uh,

2425
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:36,560
Speaker 1: And I just I don't want to go to prison.

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02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't want you to go to prison. So I

2427
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 1: guess not that he yells at you for an hour

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02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:48,680
Speaker 1: and a half yeah, so. Uh. It notes after this

2429
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 1: that the president is not immune to charges for obstruction

2430
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 1: of justice just by the nature of being the president. Uh.

2431
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,280
Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm going to read essentially the

2432
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:01,440
Speaker 1: final word in the report before the appendix, this well

2433
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:05,280
Speaker 1: final paragraph, which in any sane society would be damning.

2434
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:08,960
Speaker 1: Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment,

2435
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:11,879
Speaker 1: we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the president's conduct.

2436
02:11:11,960 --> 02:11:14,520
Speaker 1: The evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent

2437
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:16,880
Speaker 1: presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if

2438
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:20,360
Speaker 1: we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time,

2439
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:23,640
Speaker 1: if we had confidence, after a thorough investigation of the facts,

2440
02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:26,240
Speaker 1: that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice,

2441
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 1: we would so state, based on the facts and the

2442
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:32,920
Speaker 1: applicable legal standard, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly,

2443
02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:35,320
Speaker 1: while this report does not conclude that the president committed

2444
02:11:35,320 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 1: a crime, it also does not exonerate him for the

2445
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 1: third time. Right, that's my fucking notes. Who really threw

2446
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:47,879
Speaker 1: that bagel down? Where are the bagels? Where's my tossing bagels?

2447
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:51,640
Speaker 1: They're already on the ground. Bring me my tossing bagels.

2448
02:11:54,200 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 1: Fuck you. I I'm not surprised by anything in there. Uh. Um,

2449
02:12:00,720 --> 02:12:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, Weeny William Barr to do some splaining, you

2450
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:08,800
Speaker 1: need some Robert Mueller splaining. And uh, I mean all

2451
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 1: this really shows is like this is I think the

2452
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,680
Speaker 1: beginning of a much longer process. Yeah. I mean again again,

2453
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:18,400
Speaker 1: there's still fourteen ongoing criminal investigations. So is there a

2454
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,440
Speaker 1: version of this where they don't say we're going forward

2455
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 1: with impeachment hearings, but they do continue to like have hearings. Yeah,

2456
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,280
Speaker 1: that's possible. They can investigate all these others. I think

2457
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:32,680
Speaker 1: it's a foregotten conclusion that Mueller is going to talk

2458
02:12:32,720 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 1: to Congress. That's and the Congress has already requested the

2459
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:41,680
Speaker 1: unredacted version of the report, so that's probably going to happen. Um.

2460
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: So far, Democratic leadership has been unwilling to in fact

2461
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:49,920
Speaker 1: directly stated they don't want to pursue impeachment, which, like

2462
02:12:50,080 --> 02:12:53,120
Speaker 1: I will say, based on my non lawyer knowledge of

2463
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:55,800
Speaker 1: what I read in the report, definitely seems like there's

2464
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 1: enough to impeach over like to at least you know,

2465
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 1: do because obviously impeaching doesn't mean he gets kicked out

2466
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,880
Speaker 1: of the job. It's just starts. Impeaching is just a

2467
02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:08,200
Speaker 1: political There's definitely more there than there was with Clinton,

2468
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:13,720
Speaker 1: um in terms of uh crime that was probably committed. Uh,

2469
02:13:14,200 --> 02:13:16,160
Speaker 1: but at the state, like people are wondering, like is

2470
02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:18,800
Speaker 1: it a good political strategy to impeach him? Which, like,

2471
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:21,720
Speaker 1: is it a good political strategy to just like not

2472
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:25,760
Speaker 1: charge the president for his multiple crimes? Yeah, I hope

2473
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 1: that you win the next election, like Democrats often don't like.

2474
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:36,240
Speaker 1: But there's no version of reality where the Democrats are

2475
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:41,640
Speaker 1: able to act successfully impeach Trump from office given what

2476
02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 1: is currently out there. So they would need depends on

2477
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:49,720
Speaker 1: the votes too. Yeah, votes for on the Senate would

2478
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:54,920
Speaker 1: require a bunch of Republicans to vote to impeach Trump.

2479
02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:57,680
Speaker 1: And that, I mean that is a good point that like,

2480
02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:01,160
Speaker 1: if he gets impeached and then like is actually kicked out,

2481
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:04,520
Speaker 1: he might claim vindication or something you can say, it'll

2482
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:08,520
Speaker 1: probably drag on up until the election. And b And

2483
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 1: the last time we saw an unsuccessful impeaching of a president,

2484
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:17,200
Speaker 1: the president saw a huge boost after. Yeah, although the

2485
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:20,600
Speaker 1: president there like his poll numbers flat as a fucking

2486
02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:24,560
Speaker 1: door nail. Uh, this president. Yeah, well, just in the

2487
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:26,480
Speaker 1: wake of the Mullar report coming out, like it doesn't

2488
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:29,120
Speaker 1: seem to have had any impact, Like when we're looking

2489
02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:31,040
Speaker 1: at like but yeah, but but it's been like a

2490
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:34,280
Speaker 1: week or two since bar announced no collusion or whatever,

2491
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 1: and it didn't do anything because I think most people

2492
02:14:37,160 --> 02:14:39,360
Speaker 1: they don't need the report on either side to still

2493
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:41,360
Speaker 1: believe he's either the best thing to happen or the

2494
02:14:41,400 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 1: worst thing to happen. So so then I guess when

2495
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:46,320
Speaker 1: you look at it from there, you're like, well, then

2496
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 1: if it's not going to move the needle that much,

2497
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:52,120
Speaker 1: is it the best? Is that the best way of

2498
02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make a judgment on whether or

2499
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:58,360
Speaker 1: not he should be impeached, because there's a lot of

2500
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:01,160
Speaker 1: thinking behind that. I will say it seems like a

2501
02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:05,920
Speaker 1: horrible dereliction of duty to not h hammer every aspect

2502
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:10,120
Speaker 1: of this, Uh, bring Muller up before Congress, like like

2503
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:15,400
Speaker 1: like publicize heavily every investigation that is still ongoing, like

2504
02:15:16,240 --> 02:15:18,680
Speaker 1: it needs to be kept in the public eye up

2505
02:15:18,720 --> 02:15:21,960
Speaker 1: until the election. Yeah, and maybe committed a huge number

2506
02:15:22,040 --> 02:15:24,600
Speaker 1: of crimes, it sounds like. And by having people like

2507
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:29,040
Speaker 1: under oath in a televised test like if they're testifying

2508
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:33,360
Speaker 1: and giving testimony. You can hopefully chip away a little

2509
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,200
Speaker 1: bit at the court of public opinion too, if you

2510
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:37,800
Speaker 1: if it's NonStop of people being like yeah, and then

2511
02:15:37,800 --> 02:15:39,800
Speaker 1: he asked me to do this and I was like, yeah,

2512
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:41,880
Speaker 1: I can't do that. Yeah. I want to hear Donald

2513
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:45,360
Speaker 1: McGann talk about all of the times Trump tried to

2514
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:48,040
Speaker 1: get him to commit crimes in front of Congress. I

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Speaker 1: really want that because what was the the in the

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Speaker 1: Watergate thing, Like one of the first ones was like

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Speaker 1: just like an office assistant who they asked to shred

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Speaker 1: documents and like that whole thing was kind of the

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Speaker 1: first anecdote that people like, what's going on? Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: like higher up, like I don't know how to use

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Speaker 1: this documents shredder, right, And the idea that Nixon should

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Speaker 1: be impeached was incredibly unpopular at the start of those

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Speaker 1: televised hearings, and it completely flipped by the end of

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Speaker 1: the televised hearings. But I mean, I think people are

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Speaker 1: too aware of this whole process too, uh, like have

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Speaker 1: their mind changed that much by a televised thing. But

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Speaker 1: I do think you know, as we're you know, looking

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Speaker 1: at the election, if there is a televised Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: hearing where different just incompetence and dishonesty and just being

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Speaker 1: terrible at the job are like kind of coming out

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Speaker 1: and drips and drops. That's not a bad thing for Democrats,

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Speaker 1: And that seems like it would be a smart strategy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does seem like it would be a smart strategy.

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Speaker 1: But we are talking about the Democratic Party here, so

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Speaker 1: I look forward to them doing something that makes everything worse. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is what I can rely on the Democratic Party for.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited about Hillary run with Tim Caine once again.

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Speaker 1: Biden Kane ticket baby? Yeah, who do we who do we?

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Speaker 1: Who do we talk? How do we? How do we

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Speaker 1: get the lefties on board? Oh? Let's bring back Tim Kane.

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Speaker 1: Love Tim Kane, Jack breaking. Mike just fell off, probably

2542
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Speaker 1: maybe related to all of the bagel tossing I've been doing,

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Speaker 1: no way to know. See, you've angered You've angered the Lord.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Daniel, when you get done with him

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Speaker 1: and those bagels again, I'm gonna give one more good

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Speaker 1: tossing before we before we threat on it. Yeah, you guys,

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Speaker 1: and he got any got any pluggables to plug bagel's

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Speaker 1: down there? Thank you? Dan Last time I did. I

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Speaker 1: did glade plug ins, I did belkan Searge protectors for

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Speaker 1: your plugable enemy. Um yeah done here. Daily Zeitgeist Daily

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Speaker 1: check it out. Oh they already know week daily Monday

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Speaker 1: through Friday. Well not not everybody, fuck bro, It's the

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Speaker 1: sickest secondary podcast in the building. Man. Check out the

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Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist. If you're looking for a great tube of

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Speaker 1: throwing bagels, I can recommend Sairly Deluxe Bagel's Blueberry. Really

2556
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Speaker 1: than just listen to how good these toss solid bounce

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Speaker 1: off one of the soundboards onto a couch. Really good

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Speaker 1: throwing bagels and they're still intact. Those will be eating

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Speaker 1: those bagels. So yeah, it's because the preservatives. Baby. I

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Speaker 1: think those bagels became throwing bagels because nobody wanted to

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Speaker 1: eat them and I didn't want to throw them. They

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Speaker 1: were therefore donated to the throwing bagel throwing Bagel basket

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Speaker 1: that we can put for Robert every day. So buy

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Speaker 1: some throwing bagels of your own, tossome to relieve your

2565
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Speaker 1: frustration about the Muller Report and the horrible morass of

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Speaker 1: of hatred that we are all slouching closer to. In

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Speaker 1: gotta be a funnel like looking Forward the Best. Hey, Robert,

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Speaker 1: do you have any plug Bulls? No, I think you do.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any other shows, that's right, he only does.

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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even do this show. And

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Speaker 1: I wanna talk about a podcast that I've been listening

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Speaker 1: to lately, big fan slow Burn. Yeah, it's called Slowburn. No,

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Speaker 1: it's called it could Happen Here. Uh. It is terrifying.

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Speaker 1: It's about the possibility of a second American Civil War

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Speaker 1: ties into all this a little bit. Yeah, it ties

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Speaker 1: into all this wishes at the border. Yeah. Uh. What

2577
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Speaker 1: you might not know is when we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: possible impeachment, that the right is already saying they will

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Speaker 1: murder us in the streets if if people try and

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Speaker 1: remove Trump from office. So just some of them, including

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Speaker 1: several of the people named in the Muller report. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's worth taking into account. Uh. Yeah, it could

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Speaker 1: happen here is mind blowing, very weak. It's growing more

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Speaker 1: and more. It's become a phenomenon. Check it out. It

2585
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Speaker 1: could happen here. So make yourself sad and scared what

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Speaker 1: it could happen here, and then stockpile food and armaments

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Speaker 1: and those buckets and from Jim Baker. From Jim Baker, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Baker buckets actually by Indian Army rations. They have a

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Speaker 1: really good shelf life. The pretty pretty cheap, and they're

2590
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Speaker 1: probably like good flavors, really good. I mean, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: want a lot of curry in your rations, like a chowman,

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Speaker 1: m R, m R. You can get out here. Those

2593
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Speaker 1: are the worst ones, all right. I have a podcast

2594
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Speaker 1: called Behind the Bastards, which this is, oh the podcast,

2595
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Speaker 1: this is I'm all out of sorts. You're so good

2596
02:20:40,879 --> 02:20:43,080
Speaker 1: at that. I liked when Jack was plugging your show.

2597
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:46,080
Speaker 1: It felt like a weird like toast at a wedding.

2598
02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:49,520
Speaker 1: I got a podcast I want to tell you about.

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Speaker 1: It's like Robert's like, oh god, I am hungover from

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Speaker 1: the Mueller Report. It's it's terrible. Um. Also, buy merts

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Speaker 1: for both of our show from Tea Public. It will

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Speaker 1: keep you warm as the country burns down around you,

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Speaker 1: or we'll keep you cool. Get the top, get it,

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Speaker 1: get it to top, because it's going to be even warmer.

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Speaker 1: So could be insurgent warfare, climate change. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You might not need sleeves anymore. I'm just saying nothing

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Speaker 1: looks better than a freedom fighter with like those arms

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Speaker 1: buried the big gun arms. You could be like that

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Speaker 1: guy in Libya who stuck a cannon and a shopping cart.

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Speaker 1: Shopping technical it wasn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, the podcast

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Speaker 1: is over. Go hug your family, kiss a cat, throw

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Speaker 1: some bagels,