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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Law with June Brussel from Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller, the Trump aide known as the architect of

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Speaker 1: the former president's anti immigrant policies, is reviving as cultural

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Speaker 1: crusade as the head of a new activist legal group.

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Speaker 1: America First Legal is a conservative nonprofit with disdain for

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Speaker 1: the radical left and a wide ranging plan to challenge

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration in court. The group has already scored

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Speaker 1: some early victories, including in lawsuits accusing the federal government

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Speaker 1: of discriminating against white business owners. Joining me is Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Legal reporter Eric Larson tell us who Stephen Miller is

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Speaker 1: for those who may not know so. Stephen Miller is

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Speaker 1: a conservative political operative who served as a senior White

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Speaker 1: House aide to Donald Trump UM and also was a

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Speaker 1: speechwriter for the president's UM. He is known as the

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Speaker 1: sort of the architect of some of Trump's most anti

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Speaker 1: immigrant policies, things like the Muslim ban and the family

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Speaker 1: separation policies and some of those really divisive policies that

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Speaker 1: really riled up a lot of Democrats. Did he start

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Speaker 1: America First Legal? He did. It was just started in

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Speaker 1: April UM. He did so with the blessing of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: who issued a press release praising his effort and the

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Speaker 1: opening of America First Legal. So it is he's leading it, uh,

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Speaker 1: and he's doing so with several other former Trump administration

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Speaker 1: officials who have joined him in the effort, including a

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Speaker 1: former acting US Attorney General Whittaker, and some other folks.

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Speaker 1: He's not a lawyer, right, No, he's not a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: but he he has a former Justice Department lawyer during

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, Gene Hamilton's who was known for working

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Speaker 1: on a lot of immigration UM policies under Trump. UM

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Speaker 1: is one of the lead lawyers at America First Legal.

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Speaker 1: So they are established right wing legal advocacy groups such

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Speaker 1: as Alliance Defending Freedom and Judicial Watch. So why another group, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a good question. Some folks that I spoke with

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Speaker 1: in the conservative nonprofit group there said that even though

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Speaker 1: there are these other groups that they still feel like

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Speaker 1: they're outguns by UM left leaning organizations like the American

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Speaker 1: Civil Liberties Union. You know, they want to see something

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Speaker 1: that rises to that level. Even though America First Legal

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Speaker 1: has just started earlier this year. That's how they kind

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Speaker 1: of already wanted to be seen as really going after

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration on a range of policies the same

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Speaker 1: way that the A. C. L. You did um during

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration. So what are some of the aims

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Speaker 1: or maybe I should say targets of the group. They're

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Speaker 1: pretty wide ranging. Started out with lawsuits against the administration

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Speaker 1: challenging racial equity programs that had been built into the

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Speaker 1: Pandemic Relief bill that had earmarked billions of dollars to

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Speaker 1: be prioritized toward miority owned restaurants in one provision and

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Speaker 1: minority owned farms and ranches in another. And he sued

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Speaker 1: filed separate lawsuits over both of those and actually one

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Speaker 1: injunctions preliminary injunctions against the administration in those cases which

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Speaker 1: are still pending. But he's also sued over the Biden

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Speaker 1: administrations returned to policies that banned discrimination against people based

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Speaker 1: on sexual orientation or gender identity in healthcare and housing

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Speaker 1: and alike. UM. And you know that's just the beginning.

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Speaker 1: There are several other aspects of the administration that he

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Speaker 1: seems to be eyeing, based on the press releases they've

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Speaker 1: been putting out and the Freedom of Information Act requests

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Speaker 1: that they've been filing and highlighting on their website. You

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Speaker 1: said they had scored victories. These are cases where they

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Speaker 1: can pick the judge or at least the courthouse that

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Speaker 1: will be hearing the case. Yes, they've been filing suits

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Speaker 1: in Texas where they can, but also UM in Washington

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Speaker 1: d C. Federal Court UM. In the two cases where

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Speaker 1: they did get these preliminary injunctions injunctions, granted those were

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Speaker 1: in Texas UM. It was a Republican appointed judge who

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Speaker 1: did that, But not all of their cases are before

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Speaker 1: UM Republican appointed judges, but so far they've had pretty

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Speaker 1: good luck with those. In the suits they have filed

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Speaker 1: in Texas. Another case where they didn't get an injunction UM,

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Speaker 1: they were saying about the Biden administration's handling of undocumented

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Speaker 1: migrant children at the border. UM. That was another one

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Speaker 1: of the first lawsuits that a fl filed, accusing the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration of allowing undocumented migrant children in housing in

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Speaker 1: do it in conjunction with the Texas Attorney General? They did,

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Speaker 1: And the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a very outspoken

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Speaker 1: administration on his own right, Um, you know, filed that lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: It's challenges provisions of the Migrant Protection Protocol, which was

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Speaker 1: One of their first clients was the state of Texas,

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Speaker 1: which in a way isn't too surprising because they're extremely

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Speaker 1: ideologically aligned. Eric tell us more about Miller's suit challenging

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Speaker 1: pandemic aid earmarked for minority owned farms. America First Legal

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Speaker 1: equity programs in it that tried to essentially right some

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Speaker 1: wrongs that have been done previously by prioritizing some money

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Speaker 1: for minority owned restaurants as well as minority owned farms

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Speaker 1: claims that it's discrimination, racial discrimination against white people that

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Speaker 1: is kind of interesting that he's you know, the complaint

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Speaker 1: turning it around and using it sort of against these

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Speaker 1: some of the people who I interviewed for the story. UM.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed the John Boyd is the president and founder

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Speaker 1: of the National Black Farmers Association. He filed a motion

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller's lawsuit. UM, that they're trying to pretend that

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Speaker 1: in the present. Did a f L respond to this,

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Speaker 1: they didn't respond to repeated requests for comments. I reached

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Speaker 1: they do make regular appearances on on Fox News and

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Speaker 1: that this is a nonprofit and they're actively raising money

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Speaker 1: at all times. Do most of their cases focus on immigration,

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Speaker 1: But really they're looking at the whole universe of conservative

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Speaker 1: source of COVID nineteen UM. You know, they even sued

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Speaker 1: wide range of UM legal issues that they're looking at here,

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Speaker 1: and it's not just immigration. Do we know how much

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Speaker 1: you know. I would have definitely loved to have asked

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Speaker 1: It's they're too new to have any UM filings, so

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Speaker 1: we really just haven't have no way of knowing. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: But they are doing a lot of real work and

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Speaker 1: that does cost a lot of money. UM, so one

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Speaker 1: He is UM only in that Uh. The very first

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Speaker 1: that movement and to to take the Biden administration to court.

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Speaker 1: So there's some you know, some cynicism around that. Of course,

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Speaker 1: they're bringing are any different from those of Alliance Defending

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Speaker 1: Someone I spoke to said that it's possible that they're

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Speaker 1: see what happens in and maybe um they'll be you know,

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Speaker 1: surprised if they found some way to keep America First Legal,

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Speaker 1: you know, still going and doing what it what it does. Um,

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Speaker 1: but right now they need a booking man and that's Biden,

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Speaker 1: and he's in office. If that changes, who knows. It

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Speaker 1: seems like their cases are anti anti abortion, anti immigrant,

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Speaker 1: other people's rights. That's the big difference between what the

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Speaker 1: raising the alarm about concerns that rights would be taken away,

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Speaker 1: focused on the concerns of really mostly you know, white people,

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Speaker 1: straight white men in particular. That seems to be their

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Speaker 1: their good Thanks Eric. That's Bloomberg Legal reporter Eric Larson.

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