1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. A new 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: head coach in the Pack twelve, and controversy started surrounding it. 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: And there is National Signing Day, Who's winning in the 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: Pack twelve, who's losing? And so much more. I'm George 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Rice Stir, He's Ralph Ampston with John Wilner. And this 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: is the Pack twelve Apostles the where this is the 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: podcast Bipack twelve fans, four Pack twelve fans, where you 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: get the truth unfiltered, keeping it one hundred all the time. 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: You guys can shoot us an email. I'm mad at 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: Unafraid show dot com. Hit us up two nine, three, seven, 13 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: five four seven. So, uh, I guess we will start 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: you guys with the news in the Pac twelve new 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: head coach Oregon has finally found its man in Mr 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Dan Landing, George's defensive coordinator. Um what do you guys 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: think of the higher I like it? Uh. We had 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: floated it um as as an idea a while back, 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: and I think that he is a very good and 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: ambitious young coach who is a former um grad assistant 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: of Todd Graham at Arizona State University, followed him over 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: from Pitt. He's familiar with the Pack twelve. I think 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: he earned his stripes at Sam Houston and Alabama before 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: going to play an integral part in Mike Norvelle's Memphis 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: teams and then obviously being put in a situation with 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: with Georgia to be part of a historic defense. And so, um, 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: he's young, he is a good recruiter. I don't think 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: that most Oregon fans want to be in the position 29 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: of having lost Mario crystal Ball. But if that's going 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to happen, I think this is a very decent direction 31 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: to have gone in. How about you, Yeah, we'll see 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: how it goes. I mean I think that there's, uh, 33 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: that's a risk, pretty high risk, pretty high reward potentially 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: for them. I mean, I don't, to be honest, I 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: don't know how good a coach he is because he's 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: coaching eleven NFL draft picks, right, so it's he's not 37 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: going to have that, uh, that level of talent superiority 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: at Oregon. So he's probably he's probably very competent coach defensively, 39 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: but you know, there's a there's a lot to it. 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: I think it kind of see see how it goes. 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I do like that he's young and he's gonna be hungry, 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: and there's a lot to be said for that. Um, 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how long he's gonna stick around. 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: I think that that's certainly something uh to watch, right, 45 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: But Oregon fans may not care if he wins enough 46 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: in two or three years to be coveted by an 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: SEC program. They may be perfectly satisfied with that. Yeah. 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: And the thing that I have heard a lot of 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: and people talk about like they've used the word ore 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: agon and stepping stone a few a few times as 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: it related to Willie Taggart and Mario Christo Ball, and 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: I kind of bristled at that only because I was, like, 53 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: I thought that Mario Christobal would have left any school 54 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: in the country for the Miami job. Because Ralph made 55 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: a great point on our pod last like a few 56 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago where he said that that Cristo Ball, just 57 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of other coaches around the country, are 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: employees of the university and not that thing, like not 59 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: the mascot like he wasn't a full duck like he 60 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: wasn't just like other coaches aren't full bruins or or 61 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: you know, sun devils or whatever. That a are employees 62 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: of the university, and that that, and that if they 63 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: stay long enough it does infect them. And they went enough, 64 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: they they do become that thing. So I thought that 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Mario Christoval had become fift percent duck, but he was 66 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: still eighty five percent hurricane because he played there one 67 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: national championships there, and I thought that he would have 68 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: left for every other like that. He would have left 69 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: any other school in the country, maybe except for Alabama, 70 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: but maybe them too. That's it's I don't know. I 71 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: don't know, man, It's it's one of those things. Where 72 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: it was where he went to high school. He had 73 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: coached six years there. He was born there, his Cuban heritage. 74 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: He met his wife in his coaching stint uh while 75 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: out there, and he won two national championships as part 76 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: of the program. And George, this is one thing you 77 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: know from your relationship with him, he does not enjoy 78 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: that Miami is not performing to its full attention. I mean, 79 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: as Oregon head coach, he was watching Miami frustrated with 80 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: their performance. Yes, yes, definitely. How about you, John, You know, 81 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: I think that if Oregon can be viewed as a 82 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: stepping zone job if your roots are somewhere else, But 83 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: that would also be the case with with a lot 84 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: of Pact Wealth jobs, right, I mean, we see that 85 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing happened periodically for whatever reasons, whether it's 86 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: the money or personal ties. You know, it's you know, 87 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: USC to me is the only destination head coaching job 88 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: in the Pact Wealth. Yeah, and I can see that 89 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: on on on some level. But if you look at 90 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean even Link and Riley left Oklahoma, I mean, 91 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: Oklahoma is a blue blood program. People don't leave Oklahoma. 92 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: People don't leave Notre Dame, and both of those schools 93 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: got left, and I think that that's I mean, l 94 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: s you got left for Alabama. So I mean, it's 95 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: it's just very interesting, you know when people, you know, 96 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: kind of put these narratives about it together as it 97 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: relates to it. But one of the names that was 98 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: huge in the that started a lot of controversy and 99 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: the Oregon coaching search was Justin Wilcox and John you 100 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 1: floated his name out there for the Washington head job, 101 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: which we don't know whether he was I mean, he 102 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: was interviewed but not not necessarily offered, or whether he 103 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: decided to us stay. Um, he was interviewed for the 104 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Oregon head coaching job, which we can talk about the 105 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: letter in a minute. But um, but did you think 106 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: that that could be a good job for him, or 107 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: that he would be good for the job? I mean, 108 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: I think it's certainly you know, for him, Well, the 109 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: Oregan job for him certainly had had I had to 110 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: have had some appeal, right, not enough. But I do 111 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: think he's I think he's a very good coach, and 112 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: I think cal is a brutally difficult job, much tougher 113 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: than a lot of fans realize. And his access to players, 114 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: whether he would have been at Oregon or Washington, not 115 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: only high school recruits but transfers, right, I mean that's 116 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: one thing that people overlook a lot. Can Stanford have 117 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: a lot of difficulty with transfers getting him in school? Uh? 118 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: I think he would have done well there. I think 119 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: it would have been more of a well Winningham situation 120 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: where you've got a lot of long term stability and 121 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: you you just build that way Uh, but you know 122 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: it is what it is. Well, see, I think that 123 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: that Oregon fans would not have been excited about Justin, 124 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: and I had questions about Justin. I played with him, 125 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: I know him. I know his defensive coordinator who I 126 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: played with as well, Peter Sermon, know the offensive coordinator, 127 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: Bill Muskgrave. He would is my office coordinator for a 128 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: year or two when I was in Jacksonville. So like, 129 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: I know all of these people. So it kind of 130 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: pained me on some level to say some of the 131 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: things that I did when people ask me my opinion 132 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: about it. But to go back. So both both of 133 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: you guys know about the letter that there was fourteen 134 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: Oregon uh former players, including Marcus Mariota, you know me, 135 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: Joey Harrington, Achille Smith, Race Freeman, a few other guys, 136 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, all these people right who signed a letter, uh, 137 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: saying that we wanted to get Justin an interview, but 138 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: also wanted to maintain that whoever that we hire is 139 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: a guy who could potentially stay there for a long time, 140 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: and that we weren't gonna hire some outsider who was 141 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: going to be a mercenary. For me, that looked like 142 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: a guy like urban Meyer. Didn't want urban Meyer. Is 143 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: he a good football coach? Yeah, but it's the guy 144 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: that I would want to sign my kid up for 145 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: to go play. No. But for me, and I know 146 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: that some different people on the letter had different, you know, 147 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: perspectives on it. But for me, when my brothers came 148 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: to me and asked me, like, yo, we want to 149 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: make sure Justin gets an interview, I was like straight 150 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: up from the beginning because I had already talked to 151 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: Rob Mullins, the athletic director, about it, about my opinions 152 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: and my thoughts about it, and I was like, yo, like, 153 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: I think that Justin should get an opportunity to answer 154 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: questions about his about his offense at Cow, which has 155 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: not been top tier at all, about the about what 156 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: his vision would be for Oregon and moving in to 157 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: get to a national championship, and is he gonna be 158 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: willing to be a relentless recruiter because like you said, John, like, 159 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: there are limitations at Cow. So so for for me, 160 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: I was like, I think that this is a due 161 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: diligence exercise and they wanted so I'm cool with it. 162 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: But then it turned into something because of the timing 163 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: that it came out that that you know, that ruffled 164 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: a lot of people's feathers, and I didn't like it 165 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: as well. So you are a reporter, John with that 166 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: obviously your well a journalist and a Heisman voter all 167 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: this stuff, so you have to navigate things differently than 168 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: I do, or Ralph does, or you know other other 169 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: people do. But in terms of the timing that of 170 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: if you got that letter when Kenzano did, would you 171 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: have written the same thing or would you have sat 172 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: on it? There's no chance I would have sat on it. 173 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: I would have of course reported it, it's news. I 174 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't even be given it thought about it for a millisecond, 175 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: would you would you had asked the player, is it okay? 176 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: If I run with this after he sent it to you, 177 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: or once he sends it to you, is a fair game? Well? 178 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't. That depends on the agreement you got with 179 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: the player. You know that. I don't know, and I 180 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: don't know what the specifics were on that, And I 181 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: don't know who gave it to Kinzano. I have no 182 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: idea what their interaction was like. But if I had 183 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: received the letter and the person who said it to 184 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: me said it's okay to be published. I would have 185 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: published it as soon as I could get the thing. 186 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, absolutely, I know. It doesn't matter 187 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: to me whether the timing is good for working or not. 188 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: It's news that makes that makes sense. How how how 189 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: about you, Ralph, because you're a J school guy too, 190 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't see it. Um. I think the difference for 191 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: me is that I didn't really see it as a 192 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: big deal. So what some former players have an opinion 193 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: about football. I spent all my time talking to you, 194 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: a former player who's got a bunch of opinions about football. 195 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: If if the Oregon fan base had an adverse reaction 196 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: to me publishing this because they want all of the 197 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: alumni and everybody all swimming in the same to action, 198 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: than what they should have done is they should have 199 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: tuned into spaces. This Twitter space is phenomenon to find out, No, 200 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: not everybody associated with your program is all swimming in 201 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: the exact same direction, and that's okay. And I think 202 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: that it's actually kind of nice that that all of 203 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: this has sort of come together to let fans know 204 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: that you don't actually need this unified front. You have 205 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: an athletic director. It's their job to pick a football 206 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: higher and it's everybody else's job to either get with 207 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: the program or express their opinion about it and move on. 208 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: I never, at any point in all of the Oregon 209 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: drama understood any of the anxiety around it, because at 210 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Rob Mullins is gonna do 211 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: what Rob Mollins is gonna do, and former players are 212 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna have the opinions that they have. We just have 213 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: way more access to each other than we've ever had 214 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: before at any point in human history. My hope is 215 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: that that access lets people know that it's okay to 216 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: disagree and that it's not that big of a deal. 217 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: And you guys got all got in that Twitter spaces together, 218 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: you argued with a chilly Joey Harrington gay his opinion, 219 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,359 Speaker 1: and I thought, I thought that it was absolutely fascinating. 220 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if athletic departments are looking at this 221 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: is a good thing, because they put in as much 222 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: effort as they possibly can to have every morsel that 223 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: they put out be prepackaged and pretty for the consuming public. 224 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Nothing that happened this week with Oregon was pretty or prepackaged. 225 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: It was all raw and real. I appreciated it, um 226 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: and I hope that a lot of fans realized that 227 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: after all of this, that everything's gonna be okay. The 228 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: world keeps spinning and life moves on. How about the 229 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: athletic director Rob Mullins hopping into the Twitter spaces John 230 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: after he announces the hire to the players via via 231 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: message and the parents and all of that, and then 232 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: hopping in the spaces with people in there like that 233 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: is unheard of. Yeah, especially for rab Mullets. It doesn't 234 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: even have a Twitter account. Yeah, he hopped on his 235 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: wife's Twitter again. He walked in. He I heard him today. 236 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: He was talking to pack fil Network. He he got 237 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: home that day and his wife and kids were listening 238 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: and they convinced the kids I think convinced him to 239 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: get on there. So you're good for him, right, I 240 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: mean Twitter, Twitter, Twitter spaces. It's like I've was equated 241 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: to Twitter is like a sports bar. Right, You'll walk 242 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: in and everybody just starts yelling at you and you 243 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: can go back. So I've been I've actually been waiting 244 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: for this opportunity to talk to to to you about this, John, 245 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: Because notable people making notable statements can build the majority 246 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: of the subject matter that that you put together from 247 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: week to week on Twitter spaces, when you get like 248 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: eight notable people all talking at the exact same time 249 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: about the same subject, do you think that's in that positive? 250 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: Is it overwhelming for you? What's that like on the 251 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: journalist stand? I mean, I haven't had a whole lot 252 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: of experience on Twitter spaces to be honest, but I 253 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: mean if people who are could be considered you know, 254 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: public figures athletically or otherwise are on their expressing their opinion, 255 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, it certainly could be considered news. There's no 256 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: doubt about that. I mean, they broke news about the 257 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: Oregon uh O c higher was broken in there. There was, 258 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: But but how about the idea because there were so 259 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: many other you know, journalists, writers in there, and then 260 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: you you saw on the back end articles come out 261 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: with quotes from from the spaces. Is that is that fair? 262 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, like I know that that wasn't discussing 263 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: J school because it didn't exist, but but is that 264 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: fair game to use quotes from that? Because I don't 265 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: think that there's an expectation of privacy, but there is, 266 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Like this week, it was like a niche community. But 267 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: as a journalist you probably have to say, wow, this 268 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: is free, free quotes. I got players in here, he 269 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: said this, Here's what the dad of the players said, 270 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Here's what the athletic director said, here's what you know 271 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: whoever else said. I thought that that part of it 272 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: was very interesting for you know, people who write in 273 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, and use direct quotes for their uh, for 274 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: their job. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that. It's 275 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: not much different than a message board, right, a fan 276 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: like on rivals or something. Right, I mean, as long 277 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: as if I'm a journalist, if Rob Mullins hops on 278 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: a message board on Rivals to interact with with fans there, 279 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: as long as I'm sure that that's him, you know, 280 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: that's a public form. I don't see any difference between 281 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: like Twitter spaces and how like the New Testament was written. 282 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Like Jesus was sitting around talking with these people. They 283 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: asked him this question, he said this back, and then 284 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that's scripture like or or even 285 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: like American history of like people giving speeches to encourage revolution. Right, 286 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: you had people there who had a printing press that 287 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: we're able to like say like, this is what this 288 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: person said about these people, and this was their called action, 289 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and it's up to you to decide. I think Twitter 290 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: spaces is just it's more of the same. But we 291 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: just have the ability to gather together while sitting home 292 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: on our couch and it's it's been a lot of fun. 293 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: But I can also see that the direction that things 294 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: have been moving for years has been journalists electing to 295 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: participate in the stability of working for an athletic department 296 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: over the uncertainty of working in the news business. So 297 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: you're getting a lot of journalists employed directly by schools 298 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: and sports teams to be able to build and put 299 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: out narratives that are controlled by schools and sports teams. 300 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: This is so much the opposite of that, and it's 301 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: really interesting to see kind of that course correction in 302 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: the other direction, to see where it's going to go 303 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: from here. Yeah and um yeah, So to kind of 304 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: put a bow on things we we have also in 305 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: addition to that, we've seen a bunch of coaching hires 306 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: as as well as people continue to fill out their staffs. 307 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: But now we're seeing guys who are going to declare 308 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: for the draft, and we know that this year the 309 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: Pack twelve didn't exactly Um, how would you guys grade 310 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback play in the Pack twelve overall like as 311 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: the whole conference? Because I would give it a overall 312 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: as the conference? Probably a C minus. That's so generous, okay? 313 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: Is it? What do you give it? If I had 314 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: twelve assignments and I only turned in two of them, 315 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: what is that like? A thirty six to I give 316 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks this year? Maybe a passing grade? This is 317 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: a whatever is below and f I guess everything below? 318 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on? You have to give three quarterbacks 319 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve of passing grade three? Do you're 320 00:18:53,520 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: saying dtr? Anthony Brown and Jane Delora actually four camera 321 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: rising because I think he gets a passing great even 322 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: though he wasn't phenomenal, He wasn't a liability Jaden Delora 323 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: DTR And as much as I didn't necessarily want to 324 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: do it, Anthony Brown still gets a passing great. His 325 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: team won team games even though fans were screaming for 326 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: his is the minds? One third is still in f 327 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: You don't you wouldn't give Chance Nolan a passing grade? Uh? 328 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: Chance Nolan and passing in the same sentence towards the 329 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: end of that season. I don't. I think he is 330 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: certainly not on the road, certainly on the road. I 331 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: don't even think he had a hundred yards passing against 332 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: Arizona State. I think there are times when Chance Nolan 333 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: did not lose the games for them, but I don't. 334 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't think there were very many quarterbacks that were 335 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: just putting the teams on their back. And even then 336 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: you had appearances of some quarterback who might have promised 337 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: in the future still going out there and losing games 338 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: like Jackson dirts. So this is the worst I've ever 339 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: seen it. This is the worst I have ever seen it. Yeah, 340 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of certainly some miscalculations by 341 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: the coaching staffs in August, right, I mean, no one 342 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: should have been starting for Oregon State all along, Rising 343 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: should have been starting for for Utah all along mcke 344 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: McKee absolutely, so, I think that there's that's part of it. 345 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Injuries played a big part, right, A lot of guys 346 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: got hurt um and then just the overall it's so 347 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: much more difficult to manage the position these days with 348 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: the come ins and goings. Uh. But generally speaking, it 349 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: was you know, it was not good. I don't know 350 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: that you can fairly compare to last year because last 351 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: year was so screwy, but I mean, it wasn't as 352 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: good as and that wasn't a great year either, which 353 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: is it's one of the things that makes Arizona State's 354 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: decision not to bring Spencer Rattler in when he wanted 355 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: to go there so fascinating, because what they're saying is 356 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: that we we we believe that the quarterback that's had 357 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: fifteen touchdown passes in his last sixteen starts is going 358 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: to have a better immediate future than the quarterback that 359 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: has has had thirty eight touchdown passes in his last 360 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: fifteen starts. And that and and his and his fourteen 361 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: and one like that is fascinating to me. Um. But 362 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: it's also cool to see a coaching staff be loyal 363 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: to his guys and and move forward in that direction. Yeah. 364 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: And so there are a bunch of quarterbacks in the 365 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: transfer portal. Um, we here, so Queen Quinny or who 366 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: is supposed to go to UH Texas. You have obviously 367 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler going to South Carolina, but there's Cameron Ward 368 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Dylan Great Gabriel, Max Johnson, Zack Gibson, Jacob Zeno, zap 369 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: Cal Calzada, Miles Brennan. So l s U has two 370 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: quarterback in the transfer report, which is wild and Keaton 371 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: Slovia's from USC. So are there any of those guys 372 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: that pack twelve teams should be should be fawning over 373 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: and be like, come here, come here, let me love you. 374 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Well as John can tell you what Washington cashed in right, 375 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with Michael Nick Jr. From from Indiana who 376 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: is very familiar with Caleb Debor. But now and so, 377 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: but I guess we'll we'll cover that one in just 378 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: in just a second, because I think that that creates 379 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: a whole different cannon can of worms. But out of 380 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks, should pack twelve teams be, you know, trying 381 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: to develop the guys on the roster or should they 382 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: be trying to bring some of these guys in? Well, 383 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you're Arizona, you are probably 384 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: if you're jet Fish, you're driving to l A with 385 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: like a truck full of tacos and you're going to 386 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: you're going to Keaton Slovias and you're same, what's it 387 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: gonna take well, please please come here, right. Uh. Some 388 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: of those other guys, I think I heard Dylan Gabriel's 389 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: name attached to U c l A potentially, Uh, but 390 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: you know it's it's going to leave. I think he 391 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: didn't you gonna turn pro. I mean, I'm not add 392 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: percent sure if if if he were my kid, I 393 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: would be urging him to go back to college because 394 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: because I think that his trajectory, like he's gotten better 395 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: every single year and I think he's real close to 396 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: being a first round NFL quarterback with one more year 397 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: in college. Well see, I mean it's hard at some point, 398 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: I would think some of these guys just want to 399 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: move on, right. Um, but you know, I think that 400 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: the patwal team should absolutely look at some of those guys, right, 401 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: But you got to balance out with who you got 402 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: and who you may lose. I mean, it's a very 403 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: difficult position to manage. Yeah, I think if you are 404 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: Keaton Slovis, you look at the potential of going back 405 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: home to Arizona, to a school that didn't offer you 406 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: coming out of high school, and you say, can you 407 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: protect me? Because that's that's been his biggest issue at 408 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: USC is he took a lot more hits than I 409 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: think his body was ready for. And University of Arizona's 410 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: offensive line is it, I mean it would be a team. 411 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: If they were in the Mountain West, you'd say that 412 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: they probably didn't have a top six offensive line, so 413 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: that that that would be My question is I think 414 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: that that's a really good opportunity to get playing time 415 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: in How would you protect me? I think he would 416 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: be a fantastic match to play under Jonathan Smith or Colorado. 417 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: I think those are the three schools that should really 418 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: be considering bringing somebody in. I've heard Arizona State fans 419 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: say that they want somebody to come in challenge Jaden, 420 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: but not necessarily push him off the cliff. You should 421 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: just any anybody should just want the best available players. 422 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of West Coast guys that 423 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: are in the portal right now looking for a home, 424 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: whether that's Jack Miller or Chubb a Party, who I 425 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: think will probably end up at at Pitt. But the 426 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: thing with a guy like Chubba Party is only two 427 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: pack twelve teams even reached out to him only two 428 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: and and so I don't know. I think that everyone 429 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: in the pack twelve, if there's a West Coast guy 430 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: that's available, should at least be touching base with them. 431 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: Oregon State lost head to head with Jack Plumber at 432 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: Perdue Um. They got a good look at him up close. 433 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a guy that they make a phone call to. 434 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know. There's just so many quarterbacks out 435 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: there that I think eventually the dominoes are gonna fall 436 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: where they fall. But it would blow my mind to 437 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: see only two or three of these high profile guys 438 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: end up at Pack twelve schools when the Pack twelve 439 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: obviously has the biggest need for better quarterback play, and 440 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: there's so many good quarterbacks in the Pack twelve footprint 441 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: with like in in the high school recruiting ranks, which 442 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: is crazy. And they and they exit somewhere else, either 443 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: because the Pack twelve schools, like Ralph said, didn't offer them, 444 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: or or you know, or they just you know, thought 445 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: some or other pastures were greener. But we we were 446 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: talking about Washington. They got a new head coach, Caleb 447 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: Caleb de Boor from Fresno State. I think that this 448 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: is a really good hire. I don't think it's splashy, 449 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: but I do think that this is a three four 450 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: year dividend, you know, higher that it's going to pay 451 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: dividends then as opposed to in recruiting and all of 452 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: that as those guys get on the field and all that. 453 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: But I don't think that it has that splashy you know, 454 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: obviously Lincoln Riley impact on recruiting. I'd love to hire, 455 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: do you guys like it? Kind of kind of just 456 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: because of some of the it would have been interesting 457 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: to know some of the other people that they were considering. 458 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: Um I had heard Matt Campbell maybe that that that 459 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: was potentially an option for them. My biggest issue with 460 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: what some of the things they ran into with Jimmy 461 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: Lake was one inexperience which Kylin Debor has Jimmy beat 462 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: on that he's at least been a a head coach, 463 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: right and I think in has nine losses in his 464 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: career as a head coach, spanning across all divisions. He's 465 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: had a lot of success. And the other concern that 466 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: you had with Jimmy Lake is a limited network with 467 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: which to bring in a staff. Kalin de Boor also 468 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: has kind of a limited network. He's already making hires 469 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: a people that he worked with once at Indiana, Right, 470 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like he has this huge 471 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: network of coaches to to bring people in from to 472 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: make sure that they're they're getting the best option. So 473 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: those are my only two worries as far as energy 474 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: and coaching prowess. I hate I would use that word anyway, 475 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: I promise Um. I think that it's an excellent choice. 476 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: I really do. I really do. And I think that 477 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: high performing Mountain West coaches can be high performing Pack 478 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: twelve coaches. How about you, John? Yeah, I think uh 479 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: that they weren't going to get Max lost. I thought 480 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: he was just listening frozen on the screen. I don't 481 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: think that they could have gotten I thought I was 482 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: just being very boring. No, I don't think they could 483 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: have gotten on the screen. And I was just like, oh, 484 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything that he's identifying with right now. No, 485 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: I was soaking it all in. So, John the boar higher, 486 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: where do you stand on that? Because I think it's 487 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, gonna pay dividends later rather than splashy right now. Yeah, 488 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: definitely not splashy, I mean, but nothing splashy compared to 489 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, Right, I mean that's uh, that's overshadows everything. 490 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: I think it was a good higor. I don't think 491 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: they were going to get Matt Campbell, Dave Randa, those 492 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: kind of guys. I think they looked into it, uh 493 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: and it was a tough supply demand situation. So then 494 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you're Washington, you think, well, 495 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: we're not going to get one of those guys who 496 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: has one at the power five level? Who who's who's 497 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: in that pool b of candidates? And I think you 498 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: could argue Dabor was probably uh near the top of 499 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: that list. I would be interested to see what might 500 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: have happened with Justin Wilcox in that job if Cal 501 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: hadn't had a game. Yeah, I think that it's possible 502 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: that the fact, you know, Washington was making trying to 503 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: make their higher that week leading up to the Patrol 504 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: of Championship game, Cal had a game. Their season unlike 505 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: everybody else, their season wasn't over. And I do wonder 506 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: if that may have played a role in whether Wilcox 507 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: was interested at that particular point or not, or who 508 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: else they you know, may have uh considered, but the 509 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: timing didn't work. Well, there's one coach that wanted the job, 510 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: and I think that it's going to be interesting to 511 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: keep an eye on how things work out from here 512 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: moving forward, because Jane Orvell wanted to coach the Washington Huskies, 513 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: and I think on his end, he definitely believes that 514 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: it really came down to losing one close game to 515 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Fresno State head to head that would have made it 516 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: more palatable for Washington fans to bring in uh Norvelle 517 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: and that vertical passing game under Matt mummy Um. But 518 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: he wanted the job. He wanted the job, and now 519 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: he's at Colorado State, which many considered to be a 520 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: step down talent wise, but with great facilities. And if 521 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: he turns Colorado State around after turning Nevada around, and 522 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: Washington doesn't get the results that they're hoping for from 523 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: Klin to Boor, then that's going to be something that 524 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: Washington fans have to have to reconcile with. Ya Um. 525 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: And now that they've gotten Michael Pinnox Jr. As a transfer, 526 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: I look at this and I'm like, WHOA, Because he's 527 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: got two years of eligibility left. They have Sam Hewitt, 528 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: who's a legacy kid there. He didn't look good in 529 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: his one start against Washington State, but I mean he's 530 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: a true freshman situation. Weather was terrible all of this stuff. 531 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: But like Caleb Dubori, his job is to win and 532 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't have that attachment to Sam Heward. So like 533 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: what once went from a fan base who was like 534 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: let's go Sam is like hey, sorry, Sam, I mean, like, 535 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: how do you think that's gonna play in the Washington 536 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: fan base because we because we've seen it with other 537 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: fan bases where legacy kids come in or it doesn't 538 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 1: work out or something like that, and that creates another 539 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: dynamic between the old regime the new regime. Yeah, I 540 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: think that Washington totally mismanaged their quarterback situation, especially with 541 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: the Apple Cup, put Heward in a terrible spot. Um, 542 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: But I think that he probably recognizes in his family, 543 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: probably recognizes he could use at least another year of 544 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: sitting and learning and watching. Uh. It'll be interesting to 545 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: see how long Phoenix days right old, because it because 546 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: he could be an NFL guy and to just be 547 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: gone in a year anyway, who knows, right, who knows 548 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: He's got to stay healthy. I think that's a big 549 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: part of it, right, If you assume he stays healthy. 550 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: I think it really you know, it's going to help Washington. 551 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: He was really good two years ago when he had 552 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: to bore run in the Indiana offense and he was healthy, 553 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: he was one of the best ten or fifteen quarterbacks 554 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: in country. I definitely was I think it's a competition, 555 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: you know me. I don't like it when quarterbacks get 556 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: recruited over when you when you set them up to 557 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: be the future. I think there's a certain level of 558 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: risk that you have to put into it and trust 559 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: in order to get the full reward. I lobbied really, 560 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: really hard against Anthony Brown being brought in over Tyler Shuck, 561 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: and it's arguable, you know, kind of mixed results um 562 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: with that, But that's just the reality of college football. 563 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: I would say that if you're a heward, I feel 564 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: like you should go into it with the attitude that 565 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: it's a competition, Whereas I don't think you could have 566 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: gone into it with that attitude. If Jake Hayne had 567 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: followed Kitlin Debor to Washington, which didn't end up happening. 568 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: I think that there was some thought that Hainter was 569 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna follow Devor and he ended up staying at Fresno State. 570 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: UM Poenix is a great athlete and he's a winner, 571 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: and I think that it gives Washington the best chance 572 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: to win to have these two competing for the job. 573 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: But if I was anybody else in the PAC twelve, 574 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: I'd be breathing a side release that you're not gonna 575 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: have to go against Henter. Yeah that I mean that well. 576 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. He's really good to Michael 577 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: Pinnox Jr. But now on to kind of signing day. 578 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: Now you have and one of the things John that 579 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk talk talk about quickly was Arizona State. 580 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: Arizona State offered more kids. Probably that it's not officially confirmed, 581 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: but over four how many round four hundred and thirty 582 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty four high school there's also like 583 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: ten ju go on top of that, four d thirty 584 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: four high school players got an offer from Arizona State 585 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: and they're gonna sign less than ten today. I mean, 586 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: is like, how does that work? I mean, like all 587 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: of the stuff that they did to get to this 588 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 1: point blew it up. I can't think of a bigger 589 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: I mean, aside, I don't want to failure but that's 590 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: a failure. Right, no prospects, no high school prospects from 591 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: either Arizona or California. I don't know what they're doing. 592 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: We'll see, right, they're gonna have to they're gonna have 593 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: to hope the n C double A thing gets resolved soon. 594 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to hope the transfer portal is kind 595 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: to them. Uh. It's a different way to I mean 596 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: a lot of not a lot. But you know there 597 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: are schools that do offer you know, three or four Right, 598 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: that's one way to go about it. Uh. And part 599 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: of the reason that you offer is so that the 600 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: kids will get on social media and say that you 601 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: they got offered, and so it's publicity for your program. Um. 602 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: But we'll see. I'm not quite sure what's going on there. 603 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: I think it's very you know, it's kind of messy. Uh, 604 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: direction list at a issue right now. We'll see if 605 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: it gets resolved. Publicity works two ways. Though. I could 606 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: post on social media that I ate at Red Robin, 607 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: But if I never go back to Red Robin ever again, 608 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: then that tells you about my experience with Red Robin. 609 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just it's one of those things 610 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: where you have people like me who count these things 611 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: and and it ends up being an egg in your 612 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: face to use an offer as an introduction instead of 613 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: something that you're actually serious about. George, you've had David 614 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: Shaw on talking about this exact thing. You've had Kyle 615 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: witting willing. God, dang it, Kyle Whittingham. This is your 616 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: fault by the way. You've had You've had him on 617 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: your show talking about you know, the actual value of 618 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: an offer and wanting it to mean something. Chip Kelly 619 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: only offers if it's committable, and uh, you know for 620 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: Arizona State, and you know. The whole point of bringing 621 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: her medwards in, according to Ray Anderson, was to appeal 622 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: to California high school recruits who Todd Graham had left behind. 623 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna get zero in this class. They got less 624 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: than five in the previous one unless and and everyone says, oh, 625 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: we'll just build through the transfer portal. The thing about 626 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: the trans reportal is you also have competition for those 627 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: people too. It's also a recruiting game as well. Um, Ralph, 628 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: can you pull up that David Shaw quote and we 629 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: am and John you can leave us with this, Um, 630 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: David Shaw who is Stanford's head coach. Obviously, Stanford has 631 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: been backsliding for how how many years would you would 632 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: you say, John, I would say three. I mean the 633 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: thing is last year they went four and two, so 634 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: they still couldn't run the football. They struggled in for sure. 635 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: So the last two full seasons have been bad, no 636 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: doubt that. Yeah, particularly at running the foot well, like 637 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: the last three have been bad at run even though 638 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: they did go for four and two in the COVID year. 639 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: But uh, but David Shaw made a quote about recruiting 640 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, and what's going on at Stanford? 641 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, I like David char but I 642 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: don't know if he can see what's happening, because he's 643 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: in there. You you can read it to him. Ralph, Yeah, 644 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: he said, um, this is him. On teams within the 645 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: conference that offer three hundred plus scholarships to a single 646 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: recruiting class, this is David Shaw. That's what we have 647 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: been able to do really well. Our players that we 648 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: recruit respect us, partially because of our process and our honesty. 649 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: We will offer the number of scholarships that we have. 650 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: We don't over offer so many of the potential recruits 651 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: look at that, and initially, of course they're offended, but 652 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: then they're like, how many of these offers do I 653 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: have that aren't really committable offers. I may have twenty, 654 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: but that might really be eight committable offers, so they're 655 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: not really offers at all. Back in the old days, 656 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: we called those no offers, like non offers. There's integrity 657 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: that we believe in. There's a process. I call it 658 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: the game show. We don't play the game show, like 659 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: who's going to take this first? You get an offer, 660 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: and you get an offer, but it doesn't really matter 661 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: because the first three guys come. That makes no sense 662 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: to me. So we operate with integrity and honesty. Were 663 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: very upfront about our process and our student athletes that 664 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: we recruit and their parents really appreciate that. And then 665 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: he said today that that last year was just in 666 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: blip and aberration, that everybody has bad years, and I 667 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if he sees what everybody 668 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 1: else sees. Yeah, I know it wasn't really in aberration 669 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: because they also were not very good in nineteen. Um. 670 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, the thing is, he's got an entirely different 671 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: recruiting model. One that is shaped by his university. Uh, 672 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: there's no Stanford can't offer three guys. They can't get that. 673 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: I meant to know that doesn't work. So you know 674 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: he has to recruit differently, right, I mean Arizona State 675 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: and Stanford. You to think of a more polar opposite 676 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: recruiting approach that reflects each school. What Stanford's got six 677 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: thousand undergraduates and as you has got seventy Stanford offers kids, 678 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: Assue offers four hundred. I mean it's kind of within 679 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: the construct of the university and the admissions process and 680 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: all of it. And six years ago Stanford couldn't take 681 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: advantage of grad transfers. Right now they can't take advantage 682 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: of the transfer portal. The early signing day does nothing 683 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: to help Stanford. It's it's all seemed to work to 684 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: Stanford's disadvantage. No, it does at Stanford. A cow two 685 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: is having trouble. Uh. Stanford is now finally able to 686 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: offer early like they can and take commitments early like 687 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: the January or February of a kid's junior year. But 688 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: that is just a very recent development because they were 689 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: getting pummeled by the inability to make early offers, Oh, yeah, 690 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: that was tough. So yes, Stanford has its own unique situations, 691 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, it's it's wild, dude. I don't know 692 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: how they fix it, Like, I don't think that David 693 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: Shaw can fix it unless he abandons what he's doing, like, 694 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: and it's because their defense it was horrific this year. 695 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean just absolutely horrific. I think that they're going 696 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: to have to go back to some type of unique 697 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: identity that makes them harder to prepare for because other 698 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: than that, I don't really see what the option is 699 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: for them moving forward. They have the up to today, 700 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: they have the best recruiting class in the back twelve, 701 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: but they don't get to hold onto those players for 702 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: as long as other people get to hold onto those players. 703 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: There they lose players every single year. And David Shaw 704 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: told you, George, he told us, and he's told multiple 705 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: people that that has to do with him looking these 706 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: kids who are gonna be juniors and seniors or essentially 707 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: graduates in the and saying, if I see you a 708 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: second string and you can be first string, go be 709 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: first string elsewhere. But the truth of the matter is 710 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: there's actually circumstances. I'm sure he'd appreciate the depth any 711 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: any college football coach would appreciate the depth because Stanford 712 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: has proven that you're only a couple of injuries away 713 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: from irrelevance. Dude, exactly because I want them to be 714 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: good because I han't been um because he hasn't been 715 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: at scholarships. I think, I think he said at any 716 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: point in time since he's been there, when when other 717 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: coaches are trying to find roster spots, he's like, yep, 718 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: where we have Flinty. I don't want a Pack twelve 719 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: without David Shaw. So I want him to figure this 720 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: out a sap. I think that that he is, his 721 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: his mind and his candor and that school Stanford are 722 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: part of what makes this a special conference. Absolutely, i'd 723 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: rather they be good. Absolutely rather to be good. But 724 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see it. What what do 725 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: you think about the fact that some of these that 726 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: most big time schools are signing full classes today? Right? 727 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: And I know and I will make the exception in 728 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve for Washington who fired a coach Oregon 729 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: who who hadn't like Oregon had the best class in 730 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. Obviously, when you have coaching change that 731 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: kind of falls apart a little bit. USC they didn't 732 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: have a coach for three months. So I will give 733 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: a pass to Washington and USC and Oregon not signing 734 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: a full class today right but the only remotely even 735 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: full class is Stanford with twenty one commits right now, 736 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: which they probably should sign all twenty one and uh 737 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: they have signed twenty to this point. Stanford has currently 738 00:42:52,719 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: signed more than Washington, USC and a SU combined. That's wild. 739 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: And Utah has seventeen commits, so depending on their scholarship situation, 740 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: that may be the most that they could possibly sign. 741 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: So aside from and they're not ranked very highly in 742 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: the overall they're ranked like what are they rank? Uh? 743 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: There ranked thirty four in the country, which is which 744 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: is not awful, you would but Oregon is ranked with 745 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: only eleven commits at one spot behind them. UM, So 746 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: I would say that today National Signing Day that the 747 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: winners out of the pack twelve thought Stanford put together 748 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: a decent class. You would have liked to see more 749 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: of four star guys, but UM Arizona is doing a 750 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: good job, I think, and with rebuilding this roster, I 751 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: think U c l A has not only having twelve 752 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: commits so far. Not that is not the business, right there. Not. 753 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 1: Not only is Arizona doing good job, they have letters 754 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: of intent in from all nineteen of their recruits and 755 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: to this point they've kept uh one of which it's 756 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: it's frustrating enough that only two five stars right now 757 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: are considering um or or are likely to sign with 758 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve in the early signing day, at least 759 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: according to Rivals rankings. But Ted Roya McMillan, who's a 760 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: five star who's verbally pledged to Oregon, is taking his 761 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: time right now to decide whether or not he might 762 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: flip to Arizona. And so not only is Arizona doing 763 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: a good job, they actually might pull one of the 764 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: only two five stars according to Rivals, that are going 765 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: to sign in this early class. And even if they don't, 766 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: even if they don't, the fact that they're in the 767 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: conversation is not bad for one and eleven squad. George, No, 768 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: you are right, Um, yeah, So I think the recruiting 769 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: obviously has to pick up in the PAC twelve over 770 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: overall if we want to be the a premier conference. 771 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: All right, um, anything else on recruiting today, Yeah, I 772 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: do want to say that probably the most impressive class 773 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: thus far as far as actually locking players in UM 774 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: is U c l A. Believe it or not. They 775 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: have five four stars that have all sent their letters 776 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,720 Speaker 1: of intent in in uh Provo, Utah tight end, Carson 777 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Um, Clint Stevens, an athlete out of Inglewood Jade 778 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: and Marshall Um a wide receiver out of Stockton, California, 779 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: Justin Martin who you know, um the quarterback, and Camari 780 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: Ramsey and so um. For all this talk about how 781 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly has his own method and won't bring in 782 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: five stars because he's busy doing sleep studies and hand 783 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: measurements on two stars, that's uh, that's the that That's 784 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: what has happened for them. And then Stanford actually, you know, 785 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: did walk in a very impressive slate of four star recruits. 786 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: Sam Rausch Nashville, Tennessee tight end. They're always great with 787 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: the tight ends. Um Lucas Higher out of Maplewood, Minnesota's 788 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: a four star offensive lineman. Uh Teva Taffiti out of 789 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: Hawaii is a is a four star defensive end. They 790 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: got some some big offensive line Beef and Fisher Anderson 791 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: at a Franklin, Tennessee. They also have Ernest Cooper out 792 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: of Arlington, Texas and David Bailey, a four star linebacker 793 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: out of Santa Anna. So the only thing I'd be 794 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: worried about if I was Stanford right now is where 795 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: some of that explosiveness UH in as far as skill 796 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,839 Speaker 1: positions are going to come from, because right now they're 797 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: best locked in uh They have a couple of three 798 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,320 Speaker 1: star wide receivers, one at a Deerfield, Massachusetts and another 799 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: one out of Kansas City, Missouri. And it's always really 800 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: cool to my One of my favorite things every year 801 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: is to go through Stanford signing class and see just 802 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: where these people are coming from, because they literally do 803 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: span the nation and and and that's one of the 804 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: really fun things about what they're able to put together 805 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: as they have people come from all over just to 806 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: be part of that Stanford experience. And you're also seeing 807 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: that with with Oregon as well. I think Oregon has 808 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: also done a really really good job of being a 809 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: destination for recruits that you kind of leave behind where 810 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: you're from to go build um something else. With Utah 811 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: and Colorado do that with like a certain sector of 812 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: kids from maybe like Texas. UM, but I think that 813 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: Utah and Stanford do do a really good job of 814 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: pulling from all corners of the country, which is what 815 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: Arizona State's gonna have to do, just also through the 816 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: through the portal. UM. The if I, if I was 817 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: the team that I'd be concerned right now is UH, 818 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 1: they have a bright future under Lincoln Riley, but so 819 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: far they only have five guys locked up at this 820 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: point in time, one of which happens to be Relie Brown, 821 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 1: who you can build an entire class around. But but 822 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley is going to have to do better because 823 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: they're also losing a lot of UH contributors to the portal, 824 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 1: So some of these guys are gonna have to play 825 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: really really soon. And to only have five guys locked 826 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: in as of the early signing date, UM, you're gonna 827 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: want to see that grow and grow rapidly. Absolutely. Uh. 828 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: Carl Darrell tells the PAC twelve networks that he might 829 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: have an offensive coordinator higher by the end of this 830 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,439 Speaker 1: weekof timing couldn't be more not perfect, right, it would? 831 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: I think it would have helped to have one. I 832 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: know that they got uh, they got the majority of 833 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: their class locked in. They did take two quarterbacks um, 834 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: one of them from American Samoa, which is kind of 835 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: fun um. And they did get four wide receivers, three 836 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: of which out of Texas and one who actually lives 837 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: right there in Boulder, so that they actually were able 838 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: to build an offensive recruiting class without having a coordinator 839 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: in place. Now, it's just you're gonna want that coordinator 840 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 1: to be versatile enough to come in and not look 841 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: at the guys that yeah, is that a lot of 842 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,720 Speaker 1: coordinators come in and they're like, I want my guys, 843 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: and which I respect. But at the same time, Washington 844 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: State just pulled that with an Arizona quarterback. You know 845 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: how I feel about my Arizona quarterback. And so for 846 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: Adrian laura Um out of out of buck like the 847 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: Buckeye area in Arizona, for him to be committed for 848 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: a year and then for him to not have a 849 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,399 Speaker 1: place to sign because he had shut his recruiting down 850 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: this entire time is incredibly from down. And that's the 851 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: that's a tough thing because then maybe that thing that 852 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: you've locked in will move on from you and they 853 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback currently locked up in this class, 854 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see who they decide to 855 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: go with H since they've moved on from Adrian Laura. Yep, 856 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: you guys, George Rice Stir. He's Ralph Ams that we had, 857 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: John Wilder. This is the PAC twelve Apostles, Peace out, 858 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: Catch you guys next week