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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, And it is a Wednesday inside the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage studios here at Ford Center at the Star
Speaker 1: in Fresco. I am Bill Jones, And for the first
Speaker 1: time in a couple of weeks, Mickey Spagnola is not
Speaker 1: here inside the studio with him, as he is at
Speaker 1: a remote location inside his own s WBC mortgage studio somewhere.
Speaker 1: Hello Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls with the imposing picture
Speaker 1: of Everson himself looming over his shoulder. And Everson has
Speaker 1: Cowboys gear on, and so does Mickey. How about that?
Speaker 1: And what about Bill? Well, I've got I'm taking a
Speaker 1: TV show, so I've got you. I've got a little
Speaker 1: blue shirt on, so that qualifies as Cowboys gear. I
Speaker 1: got my Cowboys gear right behind me, right here. It's
Speaker 1: the SWBC mortgage sign. That's my Cowboys gear. There you go,
Speaker 1: very good. I hope you're not lonely in there. Well,
Speaker 1: it is kind of lonely here at the start today
Speaker 1: because normally on a Wednesday and come out here at
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the afternoon for this one thirty show,
Speaker 1: and the team is out on the practice field, and
Speaker 1: the team is not out on the practice field right now.
Speaker 1: Of course, it being a Monday night game this week
Speaker 1: against the Arizona Cardinals, so this is actually a Tuesday
Speaker 1: by Cowboys standards. Tomorrow Thursday is Wednesday preparing for a
Speaker 1: Monday game. Although players are on the premises, they're just
Speaker 1: not on in the practice field right now. They got
Speaker 1: an extra day this week, and Mickey, I think we
Speaker 1: probably need an extra day after what happened on Sunday afternoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. And an extra day for
Speaker 1: the coaches too to prepare just as important. But it'll
Speaker 1: be good to get them off they're off their feet
Speaker 1: for a little bit and a little longer too, because
Speaker 1: it not only is it Monday, but it's Monday night.
Speaker 1: So give these guys a little bit more rest in
Speaker 1: between games and that that always helps out and it
Speaker 1: but it mostly helps out the coaches in their preparation.
Speaker 1: They don't have to rush into things. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think the guys the misnomer is it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you've got a Monday night game, you got an extra
Speaker 1: day to prepare. Well, they really don't practice an extra day.
Speaker 1: They just get an extra day off and it will
Speaker 1: start their normal schedule Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1: Since they kind of changed the practice routine here. Uh,
Speaker 1: he likes to practice the day before the game, not
Speaker 1: two days before, and then take a day off. Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully they can use the extra time, guys, to get prepared,
Speaker 1: get Andy Dalton prepared for what he's gonna do, and
Speaker 1: make sure that he has the entire game plan in
Speaker 1: his head. And also they have the game plan for
Speaker 1: the Cardinals themselves. So yeah, they're gonna need this. Uh,
Speaker 1: Cowboys a first place in the NFC East, something that
Speaker 1: we can all take pride in. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: when you're the when you're the best team in the
Speaker 1: worst division, I don't know how much you want to
Speaker 1: brag about. Hey, it still counts if you win the division,
Speaker 1: you're in the playoffs. So that so they're not the
Speaker 1: operators not answering the phone at the Star. Our first
Speaker 1: place Dallas Cowboys. Let's hope that's last for quite some time. Well,
Speaker 1: the news coming out of Phoenix today which was expected
Speaker 1: as Chandler Jones, it's official that the Pro Bowl edge
Speaker 1: rusher for the Cardinals, who had nineteen sacks last year,
Speaker 1: sixty sacks the last four years with the Cardinals and
Speaker 1: signing there or being traded there from New England. He
Speaker 1: is out for the year. Had needs surgery on a
Speaker 1: torn biceps, And so the Cowboys aren't the only ones
Speaker 1: dealing with injury issues. And that's a very major one
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals losing Chandler Jones, you know what, And
Speaker 1: it ends up being a major break for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: having to start their two undrafted offensive tackles and they
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with that guy. Now. He only
Speaker 1: had one sack this year, but he's still a pain
Speaker 1: and he's awfully good. And Bill, you mentioned his nineteen sacks.
Speaker 1: I think he had like eleven four some fumbles last year,
Speaker 1: so yeah, he can wreck have it a kind of
Speaker 1: an offense. And I bet he was frothing at the
Speaker 1: mouth to be able to go up against a couple
Speaker 1: of these young tackles. Believe me, he was figuring Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my stats up there, right. So a
Speaker 1: break for the Cowboys, especially since you've got two young
Speaker 1: guys protecting now you're new starting quarterback. And he also
Speaker 1: finished second in the voting for NFL Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year last year. Wow so, and he finished second
Speaker 1: in sacks. Shaquille Barrett had a half sack more than
Speaker 1: he did. So. Yeah, this guy, you know, they list
Speaker 1: him as an outside linebacker. They play a three four,
Speaker 1: but when they go to their nickel, he's the defensive
Speaker 1: end that he's coming to get you. The two tackles
Speaker 1: in the quarterback, that's tough. You know, all of that
Speaker 1: is brand new for us. That's something that we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with. H got a lot of confidence
Speaker 1: in Andy. Everyone says that if we're gonna deal with
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback, this is probably the best case scenario.
Speaker 1: And of course we've got injuries. They've got injuries. So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that we're all starting from scratch here. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what it seems like. We're all started from
Speaker 1: scratch and just trying to throw some stuff up against
Speaker 1: the wall right now and see what sticks. I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the way the entire NFL is going
Speaker 1: right now, Mickey, how do you how do you think
Speaker 1: the two young tackles spared against the Giants the other day,
Speaker 1: Brandon knighted left tackle and Terring Steel at right tackle.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think they proved. I think
Speaker 1: they got better, you know, and who knows, maybe with
Speaker 1: more opportunities to practice, more opportunities to play, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they they do improve. You know, I think they
Speaker 1: each probably had their moments when you say, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: what you know, what what was I doing there? But
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, when you put up
Speaker 1: that many yards of offense and your ability to score
Speaker 1: thirty points with the offense like that, they had to
Speaker 1: do something right. Zeke ran the ball well, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: ran the ball well. So now they got help. But
Speaker 1: that's fine. That's what you have to do. You have
Speaker 1: to adjust and make uh, you know, minor changes. You
Speaker 1: can't expect Brandon Knight to go out there and play
Speaker 1: like Tyran Smith, but you know, he did okay, And
Speaker 1: I thought Steele continues to improve somewhat. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as long as they give them help, put the tight
Speaker 1: ends there, let the running backs do a little bit
Speaker 1: of chipping, and I mentioned it yesterday. I like the
Speaker 1: fact that they use two running backs at the same time,
Speaker 1: Pollard and Ezekiel in there together, so you don't know
Speaker 1: which one's gonna get the ball, which one might stay
Speaker 1: in the block, which one might go out in the
Speaker 1: pass pattern. Gives the defense something else to think about.
Speaker 1: You know, you would think that right now, we'll go
Speaker 1: to a little bit more conservative game plan. We talked
Speaker 1: about this yesterday's bags. I thought they were already going
Speaker 1: there before Dad got hurt. It's just one of those
Speaker 1: things where I'm sure they were thinking, we need to
Speaker 1: take a little load off of our quarterback. Well now
Speaker 1: we I think we have no choice but to do that,
Speaker 1: And I think that offense would be more defense friendly
Speaker 1: for us, meaning that we'll probably have a longer drives.
Speaker 1: We're probably gonna run Zeke a little bit more. I
Speaker 1: was hoping we would start to do that anyway, just
Speaker 1: having that throw for so many yards. Yet it all
Speaker 1: looks good, but it's just not a solid game plan,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to how the Cowboys do business.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to seeing how we settle down
Speaker 1: using the two tight ends, using the two backs, Now,
Speaker 1: having said that, we're still explosive. Even with the two
Speaker 1: tight ends in or the two backs in the ball game,
Speaker 1: we're still extremely explosive. You take out one of those
Speaker 1: tight ends, you put it in Pollard, and you've still
Speaker 1: got a very dynamic offensive weapon. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing how diverse we can be, even more diverse
Speaker 1: we can be with a different personnel that we're dealing
Speaker 1: with it. You know, I think I think you ought
Speaker 1: to call what they're gonna do or try to do
Speaker 1: offensively more so balanced than conservative, because I don't think
Speaker 1: you have to be conservative with Andy Dalton. You know.
Speaker 1: I listened in on the conference call today with Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury and he was talking about Andy Dalton. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: I know enough about Andy Dalton, right, UH played at TCU,
Speaker 1: played his high school ball in Texas. And then he said,
Speaker 1: we played them last year. So I was interested to
Speaker 1: see what happened in that game. When Arizona played UH Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals ended up winning twenty six twenty three. They
Speaker 1: kicked a walk off field goal to win it, but
Speaker 1: the score in the fourth quarter with about four something
Speaker 1: to go, the the Bengals were down twenty three to nine,
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton led the Bengals on two consecutive touchdown drives,
Speaker 1: and on one of them that began, I guess it
Speaker 1: was more than that. It began at seven h seven
Speaker 1: he led him on a ten play seventy nine yard
Speaker 1: drive that took three oh four and in that drive
Speaker 1: he completed eight of nine passes before he threw a
Speaker 1: two yard touchdown pass. And then he came back with
Speaker 1: two minutes to go and let him right down the
Speaker 1: field again for another touchdown and threw a touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to go hit him with a touchdown path with two
Speaker 1: minutes left to tie the game. Dalton was twenty seven
Speaker 1: or thirty eight in that game for two sixty two,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, seventy one percent completion percentage, and he had
Speaker 1: a quarterback rating of one oh seven point six. So
Speaker 1: I don't think Cliff Kingsbury thinks that Andy Dalton can't
Speaker 1: step up and lead this team to a victory, knowing
Speaker 1: what he did to the Cardinals last year against their defense.
Speaker 1: And we should point to tell you what that kind
Speaker 1: of also shows how good Kyler Murray is because what
Speaker 1: you say two minutes to go, right, I guess many's
Speaker 1: the only problem when he's scored too soon, and we
Speaker 1: gave the Cardinals a chance, gave him a chance to
Speaker 1: get down and kick a field goal as time expired. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's something that the Cowboys defense should be looking at him.
Speaker 1: Of course, they don't need that game to see it.
Speaker 1: You know, Kyler Murray is trying to work on his
Speaker 1: own campaign for being Player of the Year just simply
Speaker 1: by his amazing athletic ability and mental acuity as well.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at one of those one of those
Speaker 1: moments where we're gonna still have to set the edge.
Speaker 1: He's gonna challenge our defense in every way. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be like the coronavirus of quarterbacks when it comes to
Speaker 1: how he plays. This guy will He will probe and
Speaker 1: pride any way he can to try and find your weakness,
Speaker 1: and usually he does find it. I love the way
Speaker 1: we rushed the quarterback last week. It was amazing. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do that again this week. But once
Speaker 1: you let him out of the pocket, it's different from
Speaker 1: Lady Daniel Jones out of the pocket. It could be
Speaker 1: it could be catastrophic for your defense. So we have
Speaker 1: to work on that even harder defensively. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the touchdown passed the Dalton through the tie of the
Speaker 1: game at twenty three was a forty two yarder, so
Speaker 1: he can get the ball down the field, and we
Speaker 1: saw that with the passes to Michael Gallop. So to me,
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals come in and say, okay, we're taking
Speaker 1: Zeke away, we're not gonna let you do that, then
Speaker 1: you've got to go after them with if they come
Speaker 1: out and man coverage. We should point out in that game,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals did have Chandler Jones and he did get
Speaker 1: a sack of Andy Dalton in that game. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna have Chandler Jones this time. They did not have
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson in that game. And Patrick Peterson, eight time
Speaker 1: Pro bowler, is back playing for the Cardinals this year.
Speaker 1: So and as week goes on, we'll break down more
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals. You know, it's interesting. I had a
Speaker 1: conversation with Mike McCarthy last night. We had a taping
Speaker 1: of the Mike McCarthy Show, and I want to pass
Speaker 1: along some tidbits from that when we come back here
Speaker 1: on Mick Shots. But so let's take a break and
Speaker 1: let's come back with that. We got much more to
Speaker 1: get into as we move on from the Giants and
Speaker 1: head on to Arizona. And that what Belichick says, We're
Speaker 1: onto Cincinnati, We're onto Arizona when we come back here
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Speaker 1: cut it down to a small percentage? They don't have
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Speaker 1: try to do some research or maybe Mickey can do
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Speaker 1: the right? Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right. I
Speaker 1: had a chance to chat with Mike McCarthy, and of course,
Speaker 1: it being a Monday game this week, there was no
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy availability today. I'll have his next press conference
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. But it was one of the things that
Speaker 1: I found interesting and talking about the Arizona Cardinals, he
Speaker 1: said that he spent a lot of time last year
Speaker 1: looking at the Cardinals with clip Kingsbury coming into the league,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he had a lot of time
Speaker 1: to study the rest of the NFL. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I think, um strategically and schematically, what
Speaker 1: Kingsbury was bringing from the college game, it's probably something
Speaker 1: he wanted to look at those RPOs and that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, and so he spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: studying so the Cardinals and it's very impressed with Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray as well, and just his transition to the NFL.
Speaker 1: The other thing that's interesting is, you know, the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coach and the pass game coordinator under Kingsbury at Arizona
Speaker 1: is Tom Clements, who was McCarthy's long time quarterbacks coach
Speaker 1: and offensive coordinator for eleven years at Green Bay. And
Speaker 1: so that was probably another reason why he was taking
Speaker 1: a close look at at Arizona, just because his buddy
Speaker 1: was his coaching Kyler Murray and Tom Clements. So anyway,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting and ever since you kind of alluded
Speaker 1: to it, with what Kyler has done since he's come
Speaker 1: into the league, he's it's been a smooth transition for him,
Speaker 1: and I think they probably have tweaked things along the
Speaker 1: way and part of tweaking is shoring up his offensive line,
Speaker 1: and a big part of tweaking was acquiring DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: in the off season. He's got some weapons and u
Speaker 1: and more than anything, the stage has not been too
Speaker 1: big for Kyler Murray. So this is going to be
Speaker 1: a challenge this week. And off to a three and
Speaker 1: two start are the Cardinals this year. You know, Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray should be pretty comfortable playing at eighteen and T Stadium, right,
Speaker 1: that's right. I don't want to get too comfortable. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how many high school games
Speaker 1: he played there. I tell the story all the time
Speaker 1: about how amazing he was in high school, and of
Speaker 1: course we know about college, and you know he played
Speaker 1: at Alan, so uh, you know, I grew up out
Speaker 1: here in Dallas and most of my relatives live out
Speaker 1: on the South Side. So talking you know, South, o'cliff,
Speaker 1: you're talking to Soto, You're talking Duck and Ville, Cedar Hill.
Speaker 1: I pulled against Kyler Murray every ball game that I saw,
Speaker 1: and I am over. I am over for that that
Speaker 1: moment in my life and his life as well. He
Speaker 1: has been amazing and he didn't just win it easily.
Speaker 1: These games were where he was challenged in every way.
Speaker 1: Great coaches, Coach Sample. We all know about Coach Sample.
Speaker 1: We all know about Cedar Hill and how how talented
Speaker 1: they are. Duck and Ville de Soto. He comes out
Speaker 1: and when his clutch time, they might be behind, and
Speaker 1: he will drive all the way down the field. And
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about easy passes. I'm talking about dropping dimes.
Speaker 1: So he made me a believer way before he went
Speaker 1: to A and M and before he ended up at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: So I was so glad. I know Bill too, but
Speaker 1: so glad he ended up in Oklahoma. That was some
Speaker 1: of the best times, best football I think I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life, well in the and the other
Speaker 1: part of it. He was just a starter of course
Speaker 1: for one year at Oklahoma. And one of the best
Speaker 1: games that he played was against Texas in the Big
Speaker 1: twelve championship game at AT and T Stadium. He had
Speaker 1: a pass to his big tight end with two minute
Speaker 1: and that was a great game back and forth. The
Speaker 1: score was in the high thirties. I can't remember the
Speaker 1: exact score. They had to come back to win it,
Speaker 1: and he had a great pass to his tight end
Speaker 1: Grant Calcatera with two minutes left in the game. That
Speaker 1: was just perfectly placed. But you go back, and for
Speaker 1: those who don't live in the area to give some
Speaker 1: background on what I mean is, I would say that,
Speaker 1: especially at the highest classification of Texas high school football,
Speaker 1: which is Class six A, he is probably and I
Speaker 1: may not even need to put a probably on it,
Speaker 1: he is the most accomplished high school player ever to
Speaker 1: come out of the state of Texas in high school football,
Speaker 1: due to the fact he won three straight state championships
Speaker 1: for Alan High School. His sophomore year, he was not
Speaker 1: the starter at the beginning of the year. It took
Speaker 1: about three games into the year because he had transferred
Speaker 1: in I think, to Alan, and it took him about
Speaker 1: three games before they realized what they had and they
Speaker 1: were reeled off. You know. He never lost a game
Speaker 1: and then they won it. Never lost the game, and
Speaker 1: then they won it all. And in Texas, you're playing
Speaker 1: sixteen games. I mean, you're playing an NFL regular season
Speaker 1: to win a state championship. So you're talking sixteen and
Speaker 1: sixteen to sixteen and Ozero. Yeah, as much as I
Speaker 1: love this guy, I do love him. I had to
Speaker 1: grow to love him, I still say, and I'd love
Speaker 1: to have a little back and forth on this. Still
Speaker 1: save bench Young is probably the best high school quarter
Speaker 1: back to come well, and I'm saying the most accomplish
Speaker 1: that and no doubt, no doubt, I'm one, I'm the
Speaker 1: state championship and so forth. Yeah, I understood, I understood.
Speaker 1: But having said that, I still believe Vince Young maybe
Speaker 1: our best high school quarterback. Well since I've been a lot,
Speaker 1: since I've been a lot, and I can't I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever saw Vince Young play in high school,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I see what he grew up
Speaker 1: in the Houston. Mister periscope, mister YouTube, you should have
Speaker 1: all kinds of videos. No, no, I can. I can
Speaker 1: go look look it up one day and enjoy yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long video, you know what. I'll
Speaker 1: take a look at those Earl Campbell videos too. In
Speaker 1: other words, I mean, we could go on and on talking,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about a high school player. That says
Speaker 1: a lot. Even if you're in the conversation for greatest
Speaker 1: high school football player to come out of the state
Speaker 1: of Texas, that is a mouthful right there. And I
Speaker 1: don't know people in the lad The people in the
Speaker 1: lado are raising their hands right now, hold up, waiting minute.
Speaker 1: And we know about Jonathan Gray here since he didn't
Speaker 1: do anything after college and unfortunately suffered one, I think
Speaker 1: but two achilles injuries in college and he never got
Speaker 1: to the league because of that. But and I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's to speak of Kyler Murray playing at AT and
Speaker 1: T Stadium. There's no telling how many games he played there.
Speaker 1: Because here in Texas regularly those six playoff games you're
Speaker 1: playing every year, at least half of them were probably
Speaker 1: each year. We're probably for Alan High School at AT
Speaker 1: and T Stadium, so very comfortable at that place. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be a great storyline that you're gonna be ESPN
Speaker 1: is gonna be all over on Monday night as you're
Speaker 1: watching that, you're gonna get so tired here in about
Speaker 1: Kyler Burry. I'm already tired. We just spent a segment
Speaker 1: talking about him. Probably all Alan have bought up all
Speaker 1: the twenty five thousand tickets already, Yeah, probably. Well, that's
Speaker 1: the other part of that's just the band alone. The
Speaker 1: band alone could take twenty five thousand takes. That's the
Speaker 1: other part of it for those of you who don't
Speaker 1: live here in Dallas Fort Worth, that some of the
Speaker 1: most attended high school games. I mean one of the
Speaker 1: reasons they obviously they play at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 1: You can put and I've seen high school games at
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium that weren't state championship games that
Speaker 1: had over forty thousand fans there, and one in particular
Speaker 1: was Alan, an Alan high school game. Um so, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun and that's gonna be a great
Speaker 1: storyline coming in and it's in that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a challenge too. Uh, It's it's kind of a different Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a different deal than what Seattle does. You know
Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson does as far as extending plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are some designed runs that are in this offense,
Speaker 1: as you can see if you just go look any
Speaker 1: of their games. Uh, some zone read type stuff. And
Speaker 1: Murray has been smart about protecting himself. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a baseball player, first round draft pick in baseball, and
Speaker 1: so he knows how to slide and and he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's so small. He started to find him as well,
Speaker 1: and he's so fast. So did Mike give you the
Speaker 1: game plan? Then? How do you defense this? I was
Speaker 1: surprised that he even led on that he studied Cliff
Speaker 1: Giggsbury's offense last year. I mean, we've already seen that
Speaker 1: McCarthy's not revealing much and he doesn't and he doesn't
Speaker 1: reveal much, right, especially Uh, you know, going into that
Speaker 1: game against Cleveland, it was pretty funny. And I can't
Speaker 1: remember if I told you guys this story or not,
Speaker 1: but the Thursday before the game, I was going to
Speaker 1: ask him in the in the in the press conference, Uh,
Speaker 1: do you have to play more base defense? Because Cleveland
Speaker 1: wants to run the ball. You've been playing, you know,
Speaker 1: against nickel offenses, and you've been in your nickel defense
Speaker 1: the first three games, right, And they ended the press conference.
Speaker 1: So Friday, I said, okay, I'm asking them this, you know,
Speaker 1: base defense, what do you do? Will you go for
Speaker 1: three or what? Well, Todd Oxer beat me to the
Speaker 1: punch and Mike McCarthy said something to the fact, Oh,
Speaker 1: so are you one of the coaches from the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns and want to know what we're gonna do defensively?
Speaker 1: And I said I told Todd thanks for taking the hit,
Speaker 1: because I was getting ready to ask the question and
Speaker 1: we didn't get an answer. And we saw what they did,
Speaker 1: and I thought they improved their ability to play bass
Speaker 1: defense against the Giants by just kind of changing things up.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't have a true strong side linebacker, but
Speaker 1: they got Francis Bernard into some plays. I think he
Speaker 1: had like seven or eight defensive snaps. They called him
Speaker 1: up from the practice quiet. He's more of a true
Speaker 1: middle linebacker more so than I think Joe Thomas is.
Speaker 1: But Joe Thomas plays well. I just think he's better
Speaker 1: on the week side or on the strong side. But
Speaker 1: he's got to do what they need him to do
Speaker 1: at this point. But they continue to start implementing some
Speaker 1: of these young guys. You know Bill talked about, is
Speaker 1: it Stephen Parker the safety um? You know, they got
Speaker 1: him some stamps the number number forty that I had
Speaker 1: to I had to grab my sheet and go forty.
Speaker 1: Where did he come from? But you got to get
Speaker 1: these young guys going. So maybe we see a little
Speaker 1: bit more of Bernard. You never know how how they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it, but what they do need is in
Speaker 1: this game particularly Jalen Smith has to play like he
Speaker 1: played this pass game to be able to deal with
Speaker 1: a guy that that's who's that versatile at quarterback. I
Speaker 1: think both linebackers need to play the way they played
Speaker 1: last game. And let's just face it, like you said,
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas is really just playing where he needs to play,
Speaker 1: not where he wants to play. And let's let's give
Speaker 1: credit what credit is due. The linebackers were able to
Speaker 1: make their plays because our d lineman were doing everything
Speaker 1: they needed to do to make space for them to
Speaker 1: make plays. They pushed the pocket back many times. They
Speaker 1: want as consistent as you wanted it to be, but
Speaker 1: I saw them pushing the pocket back. I saw Everson Griffin.
Speaker 1: Of course, we saw DeMarcus Lawrence. We didn't even speak
Speaker 1: about the play that he made that really kind of
Speaker 1: turned the game around for us and hitting Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: and then you've got Brown picking it up, scooping and scoring.
Speaker 1: That's something that we just hadn't seen since last year,
Speaker 1: maybe even two years ago with the Cowboys. I remember
Speaker 1: Jayla Smith haul and asked for a touchdown. He had
Speaker 1: picked up also on the fumble. So I'm looking at
Speaker 1: hopefully this this defensive line, understanding the potential that they have.
Speaker 1: And of course I think we talked about the young
Speaker 1: man Bill Gallimore, if I'm not mistaken from Oklahoma, just
Speaker 1: another kid that we put in, a big body, very
Speaker 1: active and hungry. We want some young guys that are
Speaker 1: gonna come in and just like still, just like night
Speaker 1: on the other side. On the offensive side, I hope
Speaker 1: that the more they played. Of course, the more you played,
Speaker 1: the more your weaknesses are going to show up, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna get game plan. But to me, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that the more that these tackles played, the more that
Speaker 1: these young guys play on the defensive end as well,
Speaker 1: that they can realize the potential that they have and
Speaker 1: just kind of fall into it. Don't don't question it.
Speaker 1: Just understand that this is your time, this is you,
Speaker 1: this is why you're here, and start making some plays
Speaker 1: instead of questioning yourself and not understanding if you need
Speaker 1: to be there not. That's the attitude they need to have,
Speaker 1: especially on that D line, you know. And Lawrence's sack
Speaker 1: forced fumble stood out, but he also had six quarterback
Speaker 1: pressures so that was huge. So that but he did
Speaker 1: what he should have done right. You got Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: on one side, they should be able to run right
Speaker 1: by them. And then they had the rookie Thomas is
Speaker 1: that his name on the other side, and they switched
Speaker 1: sides a couple of times. So they should have done
Speaker 1: what they did and that's encouraging. We'll see if they
Speaker 1: can continue it going forward, do you think and I
Speaker 1: would throw my two sets in. I believe that Nolan
Speaker 1: being on the sideline really helped a lot. I think
Speaker 1: they were able to make adjustments right there as the
Speaker 1: guys came off the field. I think the communication was
Speaker 1: a lot better. You could see that Jalen was loving
Speaker 1: all of this, and so to me, I hope they
Speaker 1: just make that a habit of leaving Mike Nolan down
Speaker 1: on the field as opposed to being like a consultant
Speaker 1: up in the booth. He needs to be down on
Speaker 1: the field in the mix. I think. I think it
Speaker 1: worked out fine for the defense, and they need to
Speaker 1: continue being aggressive. Before I thought I felt like they
Speaker 1: were playing catch on defense. This game, they were, they
Speaker 1: were attacking, and I think that that's something that they
Speaker 1: need to continue to do. You know, I think that's
Speaker 1: a great point. Everson on the defensive coordinator on the sideline.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it just from a logistics standpoint,
Speaker 1: in order to in order to talk to Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: or to talk to Xavier Woods, whoever it might be,
Speaker 1: you've got to say, hey, get get Jalen on the
Speaker 1: headset for me if you're up top, but if you're
Speaker 1: on the sideline, right, you can go make the rounds.
Speaker 1: And so the communication is going to be so much
Speaker 1: better just from a practical standpoint, Yes, so, and that's
Speaker 1: what it seemed like it was because, as I said,
Speaker 1: the linebacker, as we're complimenting the D line and how
Speaker 1: they were playing, you know, everything just kind of seemed
Speaker 1: to fall into place. Yes, as Spags mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of injuries on the old line,
Speaker 1: but there's injuries on everyone's old line. And eventually, I
Speaker 1: think sometimes you just need that confidence. You just need
Speaker 1: that game to say, Okay, this is how it flows,
Speaker 1: this is what it's supposed to look like. Now we
Speaker 1: can be a little bit more aggressive even the next
Speaker 1: game and understand where our shortcomings might be and how
Speaker 1: to cover our own butts. And when you're on the sideline,
Speaker 1: you can talk to five guys at once, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: but especially as they're transitioning into a new defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it'd be different if you had a veteran, if you've
Speaker 1: been around a little bit and you know the fact
Speaker 1: that you ain't even headed off season. You know, you
Speaker 1: didn't even have three season games and stuff. So as
Speaker 1: much hands on coaching as you can do, the better,
Speaker 1: I think. So. I think the coaches are trying, are
Speaker 1: having to learn as they go. Okay, I can't do
Speaker 1: it the way I've always done it before. I've got
Speaker 1: to make adjustments, and the staff's doing a good job
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Speaker 1: All right, last segment here of mixed shots. One other
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to get to with my conversation with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy last night. We kind of touched on it
Speaker 1: a little bit in the first segment as far as
Speaker 1: the Cowboys running the ball a little bit more. I
Speaker 1: asked him specifically about that drive that started in that
Speaker 1: was second quarter, early second quarter when the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: down seventeen to three and they go seventy five yards
Speaker 1: in fourteen plays, ate up seven minutes of the clock
Speaker 1: and Zeke ran the ball nine times on that drive.
Speaker 1: It kind of it settled down the game. And McCarthy
Speaker 1: loved that drive and in fact, he's he said that,
Speaker 1: you know, when he talks about balance and the offense,
Speaker 1: it's not about numbers, how many how many runs you have,
Speaker 1: how many pass plays you have, whatever, It's an overall
Speaker 1: thing and that's that's what he wants to have in
Speaker 1: his offense, where if he needs to be able to
Speaker 1: run the ball in order to re establish you know,
Speaker 1: what they're what they're trying to do in the game,
Speaker 1: they have the ability to do that, and that's what
Speaker 1: that drive showed that they could do that. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there were plenty of other impressive drives, including the last
Speaker 1: one of the game for Andy Dalton, hooking up with
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup a couple of times in the two minute
Speaker 1: offense just to get in position in the last thirty
Speaker 1: seconds of the game to kick the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: But I thought that drive was an impressive one and
Speaker 1: and something that this this team needs to get back
Speaker 1: to doing. What do y'all what do y'all think? I
Speaker 1: like the concept, And I've always said numbers don't mean anything.
Speaker 1: It's when you put those numbers up. And so what
Speaker 1: we're talking is situational football. Bill. We're talking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: certain situations. We need to capitalize short third downs, key
Speaker 1: third downs, maybe uh some fourth down tries. We have
Speaker 1: to be successful. Goal line situations, we have to be successful.
Speaker 1: Red zone situations, we have to be successful. Those are
Speaker 1: situations that they can play you in or out of
Speaker 1: a ball game, and that's where you have to be
Speaker 1: careful as a coach. The special teams. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: all these numbers, they really don't mean anything unless you
Speaker 1: can do them and perform them in the clutch. And
Speaker 1: that's what he's talking about. When I need my running game,
Speaker 1: I need that running game to be prolific. When I
Speaker 1: need to get a third down, I need I need
Speaker 1: to be automatic and sure in getting that third down.
Speaker 1: So to me, it sounds like that's what he's talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're good with numbers. Numbers don't win championships. It's when
Speaker 1: you make those plays in those clutch situations, in those
Speaker 1: critical strategic situations that's going to make a difference. Belichick
Speaker 1: has shown it. We talk about the Packers and Rodgers
Speaker 1: is his own coach on the field. He's able to
Speaker 1: make that difference and be that intangible as well. So
Speaker 1: that's what we need to do. Whether it's Zeke who
Speaker 1: I think is gonna stand up and strong right now
Speaker 1: and be the leader of this team, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna take that on his shoulders. I think that touchdown
Speaker 1: showed what his mentality is going to be like for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Those are the kind of
Speaker 1: things that we need to depend on, not just who's
Speaker 1: going to lead the league in passing, who's gonna lead
Speaker 1: the league in rushing. Numbers mean something, but situations meet everything.
Speaker 1: See and on that drive, you, guys, they only faced
Speaker 1: third down twice, so that makes it a lot easier
Speaker 1: to continue running the football right. They were at second
Speaker 1: and one, third and one. Then they were first and ten,
Speaker 1: first and ten, second and seven, first and ten, third
Speaker 1: and one second, first and goal at the one and
Speaker 1: second and goal at the one. So when you're actually
Speaker 1: being successful, then it's east down down. It's easier to
Speaker 1: continue running the football when you when you have you
Speaker 1: get in those situations, they're they're moving the football. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just kind of played out right. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know that they just said, well, let's load up
Speaker 1: and run. But the running was working, and they were fake.
Speaker 1: They weren't in third and ten, third and twelve, third
Speaker 1: and eighth, and you can and now you're balanced, right
Speaker 1: and you can. They don't know what you're gonna do now.
Speaker 1: They probably knew what the Cowboys are gonna do. On
Speaker 1: first and goal from the one right, you're gonna get Zeke,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get Zeke again, and if necessary,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get Zeke again before I before I play
Speaker 1: fake and throw it to my tight end or or
Speaker 1: my or my three hundred and ten pound fullback. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. I like you said, Andy Dalton's
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, but we don't want to put him
Speaker 1: under any undue pressure if we don't have to. That's
Speaker 1: that's the way I'm looking at it. That's why Zeke
Speaker 1: is there, That's why that offensive line is there, and
Speaker 1: let's that's another situation spags where first down runs will
Speaker 1: make a difference in your drive, which will make a
Speaker 1: difference in your scores, which will make a difference in
Speaker 1: winning the ball game. First down is extremely important. It
Speaker 1: leaves you with a short third down even if you
Speaker 1: get there. And we've always been stuck with these impossible
Speaker 1: situations third seven, third and eight. Those are kind of
Speaker 1: things that we've been dealing with when we're not playing well.
Speaker 1: But when we're playing well, first down there is a
Speaker 1: piece of cake for us, and it leaves it leads
Speaker 1: the play calling. You can be very extremely varied in
Speaker 1: your play calling as long as you have that luxury
Speaker 1: of a big first down game. You know, I noticed
Speaker 1: that not only but they might have lost Chandler Jones,
Speaker 1: but they get Derek Kennard's little boy back missed the
Speaker 1: last two games. He's missed the last two games with
Speaker 1: a calf injury. But is it is it Devon or Devin? Devin? Ye,
Speaker 1: he's coming back for this game, so that certainly I'll
Speaker 1: help them in the middle of the defensive line. Big baby.
Speaker 1: And what a nice career that Canard has put together.
Speaker 1: And he got a very nice contract with Arizona after
Speaker 1: getting seven sacks last year with Detroit. Was originally a
Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick of the Giant setback in twenty fourteen. UM. So,
Speaker 1: you know, back on that that Zeke drive, what Everson
Speaker 1: was talking about there, The key on that is having
Speaker 1: success on first down. Okay. It's one thing if you're
Speaker 1: running it on first down with Zeke and you're not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. But they got they went. They started with
Speaker 1: Zeke for nine second and one, gave it to Zeke
Speaker 1: again for five, Okay, then another they went with Paullard
Speaker 1: for five on that the next first down play through
Speaker 1: a pass. Then when they got another first down, it
Speaker 1: was Zeke for three. On second and seven, Zeke for eight.
Speaker 1: Then on the next first down they threw a pass
Speaker 1: to Cedric Wilson another first down, and then they go
Speaker 1: Zeke for three on first down, and then the next
Speaker 1: first down it's Zeke for eight. It followed up with
Speaker 1: a second and two Zeke for one. I mean they
Speaker 1: were they were committed to running the football the next
Speaker 1: time they got the ball, because the next possession was
Speaker 1: the Lawrence Strip sack that Anthony Brown. The next possession
Speaker 1: for the Giants was the strip sack where Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: returns for a touchdown that tied the game at seventeen. Well,
Speaker 1: then the Giants got the ball again, and so the
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't get the ball again until there was less
Speaker 1: than a minute to play in the half. So their
Speaker 1: next possession that was at the two minute offense in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. The Cowboy what they do on first
Speaker 1: and second down, zeke for seven and away we go.
Speaker 1: So obviously there was a renew commitment to running the football,
Speaker 1: uh and and re establishing what this team can do
Speaker 1: not just throwing the ball, but also running the ball.
Speaker 1: And we'll see if that continues against Arizona. And you
Speaker 1: can be and you can be a little bit more
Speaker 1: run oriented when the score is only twenty four to
Speaker 1: twenty three, right, you're not down forty one to seventeen
Speaker 1: or something ridiculous scorer that they've been born. Of course,
Speaker 1: you can attribute that that that closeness to the fact
Speaker 1: that the defense came to the game, and when they
Speaker 1: come to play, everything changes, all right, that does it?
Speaker 1: For this edition of Mick Shots. It's been kind of
Speaker 1: strange being oh no, we're gonna finish on time. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's because I'm in studio, I can watch the clock
Speaker 1: a little better, so we started on time. When we're
Speaker 1: finishing on time, if I would shut up, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Well you'll have another chance to talk again tomorrow at
Speaker 1: one thirty. Here on, Mick Shot. Let's have a great Wednesday,
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