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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now a part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Michael Harkush. Right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: general sponsors, you went into a rabbit hole for three years,

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Speaker 1: and you were afraid that Paul Otto is going to

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Speaker 1: correct and you developed this thing, and then you go

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Speaker 1: all over the world talking to these people or their families.

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Speaker 1: How did you make I I'm Michael, I'm writing a book.

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Speaker 2: Because well, a number of I knew, so I alad

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Speaker 2: had their numbers and all that, and then I got

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Speaker 2: led to other players that wasn't But it was great

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Speaker 2: catching up with them because because part of the book

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Speaker 2: also was I want part of the whole idea of it.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to find out these players now in their

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Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, how they viewed their lives now versus

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Speaker 2: when they were in the heat of competition. Did the

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Speaker 2: losses matter to them as much anymore? And I don't

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Speaker 2: want to get too morbid about it, but that my

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Speaker 2: whole concept was, with the biggest loss of all to come,

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Speaker 2: how did they view their lives, and I guess personally,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting older. That also was part of my thinking.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to kind of figure out where did the

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Speaker 2: sport fit in my life, and so I was trying

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Speaker 2: to have those conversations with them. It didn't really work

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Speaker 2: a lot of times, but I felt at different moments

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Speaker 2: that I'd hear a pause, something in their voice, an

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Speaker 2: care about those losses as much anymore. They saw the

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Speaker 1: All of it. That is so interesting. Okay, So for

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Speaker 1: those of you with fathers, when father's days coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you you're crazy not to buy this book

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Speaker 1: form and you don't even have to be a golfer,

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Speaker 1: because it's also as i've read through, i haven't read

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Speaker 1: the whole thing yet, but I've read half of the chapters.

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Speaker 1: As i've read through it, it's such an interesting history

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Speaker 1: lesson because we're not we're not just talking about golfers

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Speaker 1: the first one that I think is interesting in supporting greatness.

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Speaker 1: Ken Venturi obviously an amazing golfer, but might be known

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Speaker 1: by you know people my age and younger. Is is

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Speaker 1: kind of the voice of golf on TV. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just tell you a little more about

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Speaker 2: Arnold Palmer. It's a whole other controversy because of a

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Speaker 2: ruling in nineteen sixty Arnold Palmer Birdie the last two

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Speaker 2: So here he is. He's in a period of five years,

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Speaker 2: three times he could have won the Masters, still won

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Speaker 2: a bunch of other tournaments. Sixty three, as Bill said,

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Speaker 2: his game fell apart sixty and he turned to alcohol.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's just so down on himself. Everybody thought

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Speaker 2: So he went into a bar in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Hold it, I want to read something he wrote. I

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Speaker 1: washed up loser, he wrote in his own memoir, closer

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Speaker 1: You're wasting Dave a bartender.

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Speaker 1: This is the normal guy. Yeah, the bartender.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the bartender who basically said to him that he

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Speaker 2: Back then they used to play the US Open final

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Speaker 2: The doctor had told him after the first eighteen do

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Speaker 2: Ken did not care because what he had been living

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Speaker 1: And he became the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year.

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Speaker 2: But then two years later at Carpal Tunnel syndrome and

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Speaker 1: That was it. But the point is he would have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a bartender in Servicesco on Gary Street and

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Speaker 1: If you do not think the power of an army

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Speaker 1: cannot hear that story and not understand that Dave Marcelo,

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Speaker 2: And that's another thing. Is you know that we talk

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Speaker 2: who are those people to pick you up in the

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Speaker 1: All right, three pack a female golf.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you one thing, really important is

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Speaker 1: I think I read, I think i'd actually read in

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Speaker 2: Correct. Mickey Wright absolutely that.

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Speaker 1: Her swing, yes, was more beautiful than any swing ever

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Speaker 2: And Ben Hogan even said so, yes.

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Speaker 1: Who supported her greatness?

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Speaker 2: Well, so many people supported her greatness. But I'll refer

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Speaker 2: one her father pushed her. Some people feel her father

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Speaker 2: a lot of people say that about Earl Woods, Tiger's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I'd say about my four kids, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and so what In her early teens, her

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Speaker 2: wanted to teach her that to win in golf, her

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Speaker 1: And she credits much of her success to those lessons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's important because she on a global level,

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Speaker 1: She's all because her dad pushedra.

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Speaker 2: To that absolutely, absolutely, because.

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Speaker 1: Did you speak to her? Oh yeah, yeah, did you

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Speaker 1: so she told you the story? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What was it like her delivery on that.

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Speaker 2: Again, it was that voice, that reverence, that that appreciation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny Miller, Now, Johnny Miller was one of the greats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, his father meant everything to him. His father

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Speaker 2: country club in Columbus, Ohio with Jack nicholss was would

438
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholas ever have become Jack Nicholas. And that's the

439
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: other thing with all these greats, they also were very

440
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: fortunate the right person was there. Dave Jacobs was there.

441
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: What if he wasn't there, who knows what would happen.

442
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: Where does Sugar Ray Leonard end up?

443
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: And what about all the people didn't because they didn't

444
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 2: get blessed with somebody like that, how they turned out?

445
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the point to that, the inspiration to that

446
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: for our show and our listeners is we may not

447
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: be Sugar Ray Leonard, but we can damn well be

448
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: Dave Jacobs right now. Yeah, we may not have the

449
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: god given talent to be Jack Nicholas, but we can

450
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: sure be his mentor. We may not be six' nine

451
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: and can win six championship rings With Chicago, bills but

452
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: we could Be Scottie pipps's. Brother, yeah, absolutely who NOW

453
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: i think still coaches high school ball or, something or

454
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: did at least out of the. Book the point is

455
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity everything every day to support, greatness.

456
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely by being of a birth. Army and what do

457
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: we do when we support Greatst we're not just supporting our,

458
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: friend our family. Member we're supporting the values and ideals

459
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: that we should go we should live, by and we

460
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: can't lose sight of that.

461
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: Either we'll be right back question one more. Book, First,

462
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: Bill we're gonna talk about one more Of michael's. Books,

463
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: first For god's, SAKES i didn't need, this FEELS i

464
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: will shut up now you can interview. Him i'm not

465
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: about to interview him about my own. Book we just

466
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: want to ambush, You, Okay.

467
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: NO i want to tell you and, THIS i mean,

468
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: this mean this very.

469
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: Deeply is that the first of, all for everyone listening

470
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: and the people sitting in this, ROOM i had no

471
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: idea had my daggum book with. Them so, yeah that's

472
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: WHY i put it under the other gross sitting. Here

473
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: but go, ahead what do you?

474
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: Have, WELL i, Mean i'm just BECAUSE i was so

475
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: affected by the people that you introduced me To sam

476
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: and and and talked.

477
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: About. God, uh there's a there's a there's a we

478
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: have a shop talk On Sam, quinn don't We if

479
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: anybody wants to know Who sam? Is good to our shop?

480
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: Talk, YEAH i, mean And sam passed away how many

481
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: years ago now? Too, yeah the dignity that he carried

482
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: himself when day after day that was so moving to.

483
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: Me so that book had a profound influence on me

484
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: and meeting and meeting the people that You.

485
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: You also just told me just this morning you went

486
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: and visited another.

487
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: Person, Yeah, jackie who is how many years she's been there?

488
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Now is trying to figure out thirty?

489
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: One, yeah Where i'm staying In, memphis down the block

490
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: at The Lorraine, Motel Jackie.

491
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: Loraine motel Where Martin Luther king was, assassinated.

492
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: Right And, jackie what is her last? Name and try

493
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: to Remember Bill?

494
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Smith?

495
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: Yes and she WHEN i did the book To Be

496
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: bill ten years. Ago she was there every day just

497
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: trying to keep in people's minds the importance of this,

498
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 2: hotel this, motel and what it means to, history what

499
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: it means To African american, History and that's a whole other.

500
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: Story AND i was so gratified to see her there

501
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: this morning again after all these, years still keeping up that.

502
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: Fight she has been on that curb for thirty one,

503
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: years protesting The National Civil Rights, museum which that doesn't

504
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: seem right that An African american woman would be protesting this.

505
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: Museum but her argument was that monuments don't perpetuate the

506
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: memory of men like Doctor king actions, do and that

507
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: she would have liked to have seen some of the

508
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: money spent on that hotel rather than creating gentrification in

509
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: a place where there were needy. People that that money

510
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: would have been sent to support the people who'd supported

511
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: that rain when Doctor king was. There that was her.

512
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: Protest she hold herself up in the hotel and after

513
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: thirty days the Sheriff Shelby Kenny sheriff's put her and

514
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: her belongings on the curb across the, street and for

515
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: thirty one years she has not. Left phenomenal.

516
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: Woman. Yeah, yeah people are capable of things you can't

517
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: imagine really when it comes down to. It Brad, GAINES

518
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: i want to ask you about. Him are you in

519
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: touch with him at? All, Yeah i'll talk.

520
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: To him fairly, recently and obviously his daughter is making

521
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: waves in the national spotlight right. NOW i did not

522
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: know that what she is the lead behind transgender athletes

523
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: not Paying, huh you.

524
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: Gonna Tell michael it's her first?

525
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: Name oh, No Riley Riley. Gaines Riley gaines Is Brad gaines's.

526
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: Daughter OH i did not know. That, yeah, yes that

527
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: Is Riley.

528
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: Gains oh my, gosh, Right, glenn where you were talking?

529
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: About who Is Brad? Gaines?

530
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, WELL i Think michael's going to tell, WELL i,

531
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: MEAN i just remember he was the he was The

532
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: what happened is That Chucky, mullins the player From rebels football,

533
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: player broke his neck on a play In october of

534
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty, nine And Brad gaines was the man he

535
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: had tried to, tackle and they became great.

536
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: Friends and it just showed what would you say that

537
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: that was the most important impact for.

538
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: You on that? Was, WELL i was there AND i

539
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: watched it, happen and fifteen minutes LATER i watched the

540
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: helicopter pull off the south side of the Bought hemingway

541
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: With chucky in. It we all knew that it was.

542
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: Bad And chucky of course penned quadriplegic and died five years.

543
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Later chucky Hit Brad brad was catching a. Football brad

544
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: went to Visit chucky three days later and it changed his.

545
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Life and every single, year on two different, occasions the

546
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: anniversary of the accident and On chucky's, birthday bride goes To,

547
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: Russell alabama Where chucky is, buried and he cleans his

548
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: gravesite and wipes his. Headstone And brad is this white

549
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: guy From nashville and went To, vanderbilt And chucky's this

550
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: very poor black guy From, Russell alabama who was raised

551
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: by his football. Coach they come from two different walks of.

552
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Life and When brad leaned down Over chucky In Baptist

553
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: More hospital In memphis to tell him how sorry he,

554
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: Was chucky looked at him and, said it's not your.

555
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Fault and they forged a friendship and we're best of

556
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: friends until the Day chuckie. Died and Now brad looks

557
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: After chucky and will do so until he. Does and

558
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: it's speaks to the power of an army of normal

559
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: folks just seeing one another's humanity and caring for one.

560
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Another you, know what's.

561
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: The whole thing everything all this is about is the

562
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: triumph of people and the character and the ideals over

563
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: the rapid movement of technology and the and everything going.

564
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: On IS i feel that as long as we hold

565
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: on to that and keep people acting in that, way

566
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: there's so much hope of the.

567
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: Future and littered throughout your books are stories of just

568
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: how that interaction affects change lives to the point of.

569
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: Greatness so anybody else have any, thoughts ideas or questions

570
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: while we Have michael before we, Wrap, yes, sir are

571
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: you going to tell Them Tiger woods should be number?

572
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: One Not John, nicholas say your name.

573
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: Please i'm, Sorry John.

574
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Branston there you.

575
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: Go when you deal with these famous, folks do you

576
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: have to emphasize to them that it's their story but

577
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: it's your book and you have editorial. Control and if

578
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: they say something and then they, say, oh don't put

579
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 4: that in the book, please how do you deal with?

580
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: That that's a really good. Question, yeah, because as someone

581
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: who has done a book With michael, before you actually

582
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: start to worry about that because what happens is they

583
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: keep asking questions and you end up going down these

584
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: paths and you open up and then you're, LIKE i

585
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know IF i want that out there or. Not

586
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: so there's an enormous amount of trust that has to

587
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: exist between you and your, biographer and if you break that,

588
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: trust you can forget the. Book SO i will tell

589
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: you from my perspective how that. Is but from the

590
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: writer perspective and how you protect these, stories.

591
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: It's a different kind of book because it's not in their.

592
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: Words so if they told me something that really, GOOD

593
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: i didn't, say well you sure you want that in?

594
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: There you KNOW.

595
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 2: I didn't do. That but they are aware that they

596
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: were on the. Record they are aware THAT i could

597
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: use anything they told, me and it didn't get it

598
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: never got to that level where something nobody, said, oh

599
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: you can't use. THAT i mean, technically when somebody tells

600
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: you something and then they say you can't use, it

601
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: it's too, late right because they TOLD i wouldn't do it,

602
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: ANYWAY i wouldn't violate. THAT i one time had somebody

603
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: tell me something and that person called me up a

604
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 2: couple hours later and just was, LIKE i really wouldn't

605
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 2: want that in. There and it's a tough call because

606
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: it's good. News but then you also, realize, well you

607
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 2: want to, build you don't want to hurt, somebody and

608
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: you also by not doing, THAT i wound up creating

609
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: this longtime friend that paid off journalistically much more than

610
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: IF i run that initial. Statement what was it like

611
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: With Philip?

612
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: Jackson because everybody knew him as The, zinmaster and he's clearly, thoughtful,

613
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: philosophical he's well. Read what was it like dragging information on? Him?

614
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh it. WAS i, MEAN i can't tell you how

615
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: BLESSED i was to sit there and hear THE i,

616
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: mean we think of sports, writers we know a lot about,

617
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: sports we know nothing compared to somebody who's in the

618
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: throes of, it who understands the intricacies of every single

619
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: play and. Mindset it was like going to a. Master

620
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: every hour and a half with two hour interview with

621
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: him was like a, masterclass unbelievableut the nuances of the

622
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: game of. Basketball but in all the conversations in the

623
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: year since, then we hardly ever talk about. Basketball we

624
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: talk about, life we talk about, relationships we talk about,

625
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: politics all that, stuff Because i'm NOT i, MEAN i love,

626
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: sports but let's face, it and the whole scheme of,

627
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: things you, know there's so many more things more important than,

628
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: that aren't. There BUT i love Phil jackson's Great.

629
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Say your, name Sir by knows Who's.

630
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 5: Yeah I'm Philip. Pleasanby thank you for being. Here, first thank.

631
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 5: You this is my questions revolve Around Tiger. Woods since

632
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: you mentioned, him how did when you were researching you're interviewing,

633
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 5: Him how did he view his, Father? Earl did he

634
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: feel like he was too tough on him or did

635
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: he give him a lot of? Credit and the second

636
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 5: question is is a reference to what you, said which

637
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 5: is the scandal took a little some of his greatness.

638
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 5: Away now that he has matured as a man father

639
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: and gotten way past. That did he feel like it

640
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 5: also hurt his legacy and his?

641
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: Credibility, well first of, ALL i didn't talk to, Him,

642
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Okay he's one of the number of players he doesn't

643
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: authors don't interview At tiger doesn't, Happen, okay which is a,

644
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: LOSS i, think, Really BUT i think you asked about his.

645
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: Father say that, again kind of like what you.

646
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 5: Want did he credit how did he view his father

647
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 5: because his father was pretty tough on him shaking a.

648
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: CAR i think he's.

649
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: Coins when he was golfing and, yeah, yeah, NO i

650
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: think he is all the gratitude in the world for

651
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: with his father To. Fiers, yeah, yeah there's no question about.

652
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: THAT i first Met tiger at a tournament in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety six In. Illinois he was twenty years. Old he

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Speaker 2: blew the tournament in the last round a terrible. DAY

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Speaker 2: i had a quadruple bogey on one, hole and in

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Speaker 2: the press conference, AFTERWARDS i, said, so what are you

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Speaker 2: going to learn from? That and he stared at me

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Speaker 2: for the longest, time AND i, thought oh my, god

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Speaker 2: this guy is so. Intense and he, SAID i don't,

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Speaker 2: know But i'm going to learn a, lot and he.

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Speaker 2: Did i've never seen anyone more driven Than Tiger, woods

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Speaker 2: that's for.

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Speaker 1: Sure so here's the bottom. Line Mike arkush has written

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Speaker 1: a cool. Book he's written a number of cool. Books

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Speaker 1: the most, recently The golf one hundred is spirited ranking

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Speaker 1: of the greatest players of all. Time he has spent

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Speaker 1: an enormous amount of effort and time on, this and

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Speaker 1: it's not just a. Ranking it's a small historical snippet

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Speaker 1: guys if you're listening to me for the father who has,

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Speaker 1: it's so good to see you. Again oh my, god

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Speaker 1: absolutely same. Here, yeah we're going to have dinner tonight With.

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Speaker 1: Lisa looking forward to. It soulfish doesn't have to lopia.

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Speaker 1: Anymore you broke that news to me. Yesterday i'm still

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Speaker 2: Probably three or four it so they would go out

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Speaker 1: Doubt it's. Unbelievable. Michael thank you for being, here, everybody

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining. Us and you, KNOW i can't

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Speaker 1: i know you've got another project you're newdland on right.

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Speaker 1: Now i'll tell you, Later, yeah you tell you. Later,

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