Speaker 1: Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic
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Speaker 2: What up, y'all, It's like eah and this QLs classic
Speaker 2: episode is all about our MS seventy C girl, Stephanie Rule. Yup,
Speaker 2: no stone gets unturned. In this classic episode, Stephanie Rule,
Speaker 2: MSNBC news anchor talks about her transition from Wall Street
Speaker 2: to news anchor and shares her views on complicated issues.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we had some real hard talks from the
Speaker 2: twenty eleven financial crisis to free speech and the Me
Speaker 2: Too movement. And remember that time we all talked about
Speaker 2: the n world with Stephanie Rule. Oh yeah, you want
Speaker 2: to listen to this episode. This episode originally aired April third,
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 5: My name is Fante.
Speaker 6: Yeah ha ha yeah. With Stephanie Rule. No relation to jobs.
Speaker 7: Suprima su su.
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Speaker 6: Go to school. Yeah with Stephanie Rule, Yeah, just talk slowly. Yeah,
Speaker 6: this ain't a jewel.
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Speaker 9: We get to Yeah, and that's cool. Yeah to working
Speaker 9: TV news Boss Bill went to school.
Speaker 8: Supreme Supremo roll call, Supremo Supremo roll call.
Speaker 2: It's like yeah with Stephanie Rule. Yeah, she's smart as
Speaker 2: hell and she'll shade you.
Speaker 7: To roll Supprima Subpremo, roll sure, Supremo roll.
Speaker 10: My name sub rule. Yeah, I came to hang. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I'm kinna do.
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Speaker 5: I can't thank myself right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you had a nice sisip. Steve got that.
Speaker 2: Steve got it. He the winner. Steve might be.
Speaker 6: Me or Fonte. Yeah, all right, I lost. Nobody cares about.
Speaker 5: I care about your life experience.
Speaker 6: Bill. Has anybody ever run major in?
Speaker 11: But I've got for a long time people.
Speaker 10: Conversation like not many things.
Speaker 2: Rhyme with the mirror, thank got the chair, a mere
Speaker 2: camere cashmere, first pitch at a at a baseball game.
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't a up pitch Steve anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, Uh,
Speaker 6: welcome to another installment of course, Love Supreme, your host
Speaker 6: quest Love Jenkins, and we got Team Supreme in the house.
Speaker 5: H everything, fante, how's home life?
Speaker 6: My home life is cool. I've been getting back into
Speaker 6: my dancing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Yeah, back on my dancing like baby powder all on
Speaker 9: the floor. Nah no, nah, I don't. I don't quite
Speaker 9: use the baby powder.
Speaker 6: I just do. I do my Chicago stepping like so
Speaker 6: oh yeah, I dance.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like a ride dancing with Fonte
Speaker 2: get to baby Powder on the floor.
Speaker 6: It might the baby Potter is en route. But is
Speaker 6: there a society in North Carolina? Yea throwing in sexy dancing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Step is like we do, uh we do like for
Speaker 9: the older for the black set, we do Chicago step.
Speaker 9: But then for like the older white set, it's East
Speaker 9: Coast swing like Lindy hop, like all of that West
Speaker 9: Coast swing.
Speaker 6: Where is the street from my crib?
Speaker 9: All the baby baby So at house parties like with
Speaker 9: like music, the parties to play house music sometimes like
Speaker 9: at the end of the night when the drugs have
Speaker 9: really kicked in, people will put baby powder on the floor.
Speaker 6: It helps you dance, it helps you just moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's funny because I was going to just
Speaker 2: say that's how Jane her dancing in the first couple
Speaker 2: of years, that's how she performed really cost to floor.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know that, So that doesn't ruin the
Speaker 6: wing tips at the bottom of the shoe or I don't.
Speaker 6: I've never done. I've only seen it in action once
Speaker 6: once in my life. Really, where was it? What was
Speaker 6: it that I went to like one of the body
Speaker 6: and soul parties here in New York.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was on that like Nails Grown and Sexy.
Speaker 9: No, it's like a house music party. Like Okay, I think,
Speaker 9: who does that party? I should be ashamed of myself.
Speaker 2: I should know that Steph us a dancer.
Speaker 5: Wait time out, Let's introduce our guests, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 6: Today. Our guest is I guess my part time work wife. Hey,
Speaker 6: are we there?
Speaker 10: Your real friend?
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I'm going to get to that. I'm going
Speaker 6: to get to that friend.
Speaker 5: You don't know that yet.
Speaker 6: I have a few part time wives at thirty rocks.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and my real friend.
Speaker 6: Uh, but basically I'll say that you got to put
Speaker 6: your trust and someone to inform you of what's going on.
Speaker 6: And I'm the kind of guy that still wakes up
Speaker 6: at eight eight eight a m. Nine am to make
Speaker 6: sure that the world still running. Yeah, it has it imploded. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and uh, our next guest today, I kind of trust
Speaker 6: her to give me, give me the straight how ad
Speaker 6: t I t I Z wait? It was always t
Speaker 6: I z y. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: The black Heart just got a little real restrictions.
Speaker 5: You got it, but yeah, you saved it from going
Speaker 5: off in the wind.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Uh, ladies and gentlemen. One of my square glasses. Well,
Speaker 6: ladies and gentlemen. Uh, one of my favorites at my
Speaker 6: building at at thirty Rockervilla Plaza, M S n b
Speaker 6: c's own Stephanie Rule.
Speaker 5: So we were talking about baby powder.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, you put it on the floor to
Speaker 6: hip slide.
Speaker 9: But but now me and my wife, that's whatever we
Speaker 9: get back in that dancing we do a Chicago step.
Speaker 6: I do like it all, but she kind of just sticks.
Speaker 6: Just from a d day standpoint, so this is kind
Speaker 6: of a grown in secon it's like an over thirty,
Speaker 6: like just mostly old thirty. So like for a DJ set.
Speaker 6: The stepper, like the funny thing is like when people
Speaker 6: think of stepping and things stepping name of love, ar
Speaker 6: killing whatever.
Speaker 9: That temple is like really kind of too fast. So
Speaker 9: like the slow the sexy ballroom is gonna fall anywhere
Speaker 9: from like between the sheets.
Speaker 6: You can't. That's you can yep footsteps in the dark,
Speaker 6: not that footsteps might be too slow. What you can do?
Speaker 11: It is it really good for your marriage?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 5: It keeps you, It keeps you going to have something
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you gotta have something and I get born dinner, yes,
Speaker 9: whatever in the movies, just the Netflix and chill.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: So when you're married, like the beautiful thing about being
Speaker 10: together and dancing, you don't need to talk because talking
Speaker 10: when you're married involves like twice no, but just like
Speaker 10: so much men, like how do you go from I'm
Speaker 10: dealing with bills, I'm dealing with life, I'm dealing with
Speaker 10: who are you putting to bed to? But dancing takes
Speaker 10: that out.
Speaker 9: No, dancing is the It is the vertical expression of
Speaker 9: a horizontal desire right down if bill right now what
Speaker 9: you also realize they called sex the horizontal mambo, so
Speaker 9: you know, hey, there it is so yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 9: but we that's what we do.
Speaker 6: Wow, words of wisdom from fun Okay, Oh damn, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I mean you know, I have to represent for paid bills.
Speaker 6: What song I forgot? Don't have a song. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: make it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make up one. He kills it with more.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I don't have scholar Yeah, I mean super
Speaker 6: wisdom or something like that. Anyway, we should also know
Speaker 6: that trustees Era is here and she's already shaking her
Speaker 6: head knowing that she doesn't want to say anything.
Speaker 12: I don't want to talk.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: People should know that this is only Sarah's second appearance
Speaker 2: here at q L last, which means that.
Speaker 5: Getting word on the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, she was. She was active in doing Roan.
Speaker 6: He was banging.
Speaker 2: We had Roan Pharaoh on the show stuff.
Speaker 11: He's a serious man, well not.
Speaker 2: On our show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was crooning. He was crooning like little little
Speaker 5: blue eyes. He was crooning.
Speaker 6: That was a little bit he.
Speaker 2: Did it on. Roan did it on purpose. He knew
Speaker 2: he was going to think you about that when he
Speaker 2: did it?
Speaker 6: Come on, well, wait, let me let me ask you,
Speaker 6: because you know, I don't want to be all serious
Speaker 6: and funny games because everyone knows you for your your
Speaker 6: seriousness and taking.
Speaker 10: I can tell how I know you?
Speaker 5: Okay, how do we know each other?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: See, I have my story of how we met, and
Speaker 5: you have your story.
Speaker 6: You start first, he and I met.
Speaker 10: We were doing this wacky conference, uh and it was Quest.
Speaker 10: It was Steve a okay and I and we just
Speaker 10: like really got on and it's a likely trio and
Speaker 10: we really got on and blah blah blah.
Speaker 11: And then he invited me to.
Speaker 10: One of his food salons, and I got to tell you,
Speaker 10: I felt pretty good about myself.
Speaker 6: Wait, that's that's your take hold. I love you for
Speaker 6: saying that.
Speaker 10: Just waiting. I walk into the food salon and like,
Speaker 10: my husband's with me, and I'm like, yep, what's up?
Speaker 10: You know here I am. I'm a Quest food salon.
Speaker 10: And I run into the fashion designer of Leila Rose,
Speaker 10: so I hadn't seen in years and blah blah blah.
Speaker 10: And again I'm feeling pretty good that I'm there, and
Speaker 10: I'm like, hey, Leilah great to see you. What are
Speaker 10: you doing here? You know, like what brings you here?
Speaker 10: And she's like, oh, I'm a good friend of Amir's
Speaker 10: and she's like, how about you, And I'm like, I
Speaker 10: don't know a mirror.
Speaker 11: I came with quest.
Speaker 10: And she's like, yeah, that's his name.
Speaker 11: And I'm like, oh my god, right and dying.
Speaker 10: I'm like at this point, I'm just like power eating
Speaker 10: everything there. I want to run away.
Speaker 11: And so I don't even know who to talk to.
Speaker 10: And at the party, he had this Instagram installation that
Speaker 10: every picture you take, you press something and the photograph
Speaker 10: can get printed and then you get to take a
Speaker 10: picture home. Okay, so I meet a guy named Kevin. Okay,
Speaker 10: so I'm so embarrassed by already what's happened. I don't
Speaker 10: want to talk to any significant person there. So I'm like,
Speaker 10: you know what, I'm gonna talk to Kevin, who's printing
Speaker 10: the pictures.
Speaker 11: So I'm like, hey, Kevin, blah blah, Oh, Hey, what's
Speaker 11: your name?
Speaker 6: This is cool?
Speaker 10: I love Instagram. He's like, oh, that's cool, and I'm like,
Speaker 10: how long have you been with the company And he's like, oh,
Speaker 10: kind of since the beginning, and I'm like, oh wow,
Speaker 10: like you must have nailed it, like you must have
Speaker 10: cashed in like that, right, And I'm literally thinking he's
Speaker 10: the guy who prints the pictures.
Speaker 11: And I'm looking him like, god, I feel like I
Speaker 11: know you. I'm like, did you ever go out with
Speaker 11: any of my girlfriends? So I'm like, I'm like, where
Speaker 11: do you live of right?
Speaker 10: Like thinking maybe he dated one of my friends and
Speaker 10: he's like California And I'm like I don't really know anybody,
Speaker 10: like right, And all of a sudden, my husband is like,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna need you to shut up. That's the founder
Speaker 10: of Instagram. And then I'm like, what are you the
Speaker 10: founder of Instagram bringing the pictures?
Speaker 11: So at that point at home, dang.
Speaker 6: Boss, he.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing about the fourteen job a mirror.
Speaker 10: Luckily he didn't break up with me after that, neither
Speaker 10: four Yeah, you lost five jobs today.
Speaker 6: Damn. I've always had it down to fourteen, and I'm
Speaker 6: trying to take it down to eight. I'm trying to
Speaker 6: take it down to eight. I'm looking for some extra
Speaker 6: ploy I'm just saying. I'm just saying that neither neither
Speaker 6: the twain shall meet. And what you did was kind
Speaker 6: of revealed to these guys, you know, the Bruce Wayne
Speaker 6: when he ever ever bring up to the.
Speaker 2: I knew any moment you left me for jay Z
Speaker 2: and Beyonce's house. I know who he is now.
Speaker 9: I still got a big into a game that I made.
Speaker 9: I got invited to foods Loan and was mad I
Speaker 9: had to miss it.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you live.
Speaker 10: Oh damn you before you do know that his name
Speaker 10: is a mirror, I do.
Speaker 2: You're already I know the middle one too. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's about it.
Speaker 6: Look, man, I just bring people together, just indifferent. I
Speaker 6: do food versions of Quest Love Supreme. I do Quest
Speaker 6: Love Supremes versus Quest Love Supreme. I do jam sessions.
Speaker 6: And you got popcorns out now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? They need to bring that ship a shelf up.
Speaker 2: Do you been to Williamson Noman and saw miror stuff?
Speaker 10: Yes? But I didn't know you had popcorn saw.
Speaker 5: See because that's because knowing.
Speaker 6: People. I'm all things to all people, and literally what
Speaker 6: people know me for that one thing that's all they
Speaker 6: knew me for.
Speaker 10: I have a salt that I am a huge fan
Speaker 10: of this, which one like jay Z Jane's crazy.
Speaker 6: So have you ever had it, Noah, what kind?
Speaker 10: I'm gonna send it to you.
Speaker 5: What is what is called James crazy?
Speaker 10: James Jane's crazy and it's like a spy. It's like
Speaker 10: assault with a bunch of other stuff in there. I'm
Speaker 10: gonna mail it to you because they don't have it
Speaker 10: in New York City.
Speaker 6: I think the thing is because if I tell one
Speaker 6: person what every everything I do, then.
Speaker 2: You spend time with the person they got.
Speaker 6: Just see and you know that said that said Jay
Speaker 6: and B's event. So he did the most mind blowing
Speaker 6: thing ever and had Daniel Whom cater it, which having
Speaker 6: Daniel Whome of eleven Madison catering your party is kind of.
Speaker 2: Like such rich people talk. I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I see food is not rich people ship.
Speaker 2: It depends on how much it costs food. That's a
Speaker 2: rich people think that.
Speaker 9: My whole point is that if this guy is catering
Speaker 9: your party, you can afford it. My whole point not
Speaker 9: finishing the sentence is fast enough for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm giving too much space for the
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that that's the equivalent of Oh, these
Speaker 6: are the guys that paint my crib John Michelle and yeah,
Speaker 6: and Andy right, it's like that. So I was just
Speaker 6: rather impressed. But I think he was rather impressed that
Speaker 6: I knew who Daniel Home was because I've had history
Speaker 6: of conflicts with him. A lot of people ask like, well,
Speaker 6: why don't the roots participate in the Philly uh made
Speaker 6: in America? And well, part of it is that because
Speaker 6: of the picnic and the Fourth of July stuff and
Speaker 6: the other stuff we already do, it's like overkill by
Speaker 6: the time we get to September. However, I've been begging
Speaker 6: and gunning to curate the food. No, well, to curate
Speaker 6: the food trucks and all that stuff. But because because
Speaker 6: he doesn't know that I'm kind of a.
Speaker 10: Thing in the food world, he hasn't who doesn't know z?
Speaker 5: J didn't know Jay Z.
Speaker 2: He don't know as job that.
Speaker 6: He just thought that was crazy talk, And I'm like, well, dog,
Speaker 6: I've written James Beard nominated books and New York Times bestseller,
Speaker 6: Like did you say that?
Speaker 2: Though I wanted, did you say that?
Speaker 6: You didn't? You didn't.
Speaker 2: We don't know that you didn't do.
Speaker 6: But that's the thing.
Speaker 5: If someone don't know the job, then I can't I
Speaker 5: get it.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't sound crazy talk. He's like, come on, dogs,
Speaker 5: I would.
Speaker 6: Have just sent your music.
Speaker 9: I just would have sent Carling the books and said,
Speaker 9: explain these to your boss when you're done. Well, Carling
Speaker 9: knows what time it is, but she knows, like I
Speaker 9: feel like in order.
Speaker 6: I think the number one rule of life is people
Speaker 6: always try to go for the figurehead and that never worked.
Speaker 6: Just get to the six people that have their ear
Speaker 6: and then that's the thing, you know. So anyway to
Speaker 6: bring it all back home out of this rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: You have a lot of jobs. And I'm a popcorn salt.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but the popcorn saw, I say, the popcorn saw
Speaker 9: is really more seasoning than it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Really Yeah.
Speaker 6: So she went and got some of the house. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: we bought.
Speaker 9: So my wife she went to the winds So Noma
Speaker 9: and she bought because we go to the movies a
Speaker 9: lot and normally we'll like buy the popcorn salt like
Speaker 9: from our ghost store or whatever and then just bring
Speaker 9: it in. But we was like all right, yeah, I
Speaker 9: was like no, I was like, yo, almost support black business.
Speaker 9: My man got a salt with this sauce. So we
Speaker 9: went and got it in the it wasn't really salty.
Speaker 10: A female ceo.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's a seasoning. It's a season and I didn't
Speaker 6: know that. I know now, so what I do.
Speaker 9: So the trick what we do is we'll take your
Speaker 9: because you got the avocado. We didn't do the avocado.
Speaker 9: We got like the sweet kind. You got the Saturday
Speaker 9: Morning the Saturday Morning cereal. And then the other one
Speaker 9: is my lemon pepper.
Speaker 6: Mine with you. We got the lemon pepper. But oh yeah,
Speaker 6: come on, he knows the democratic.
Speaker 2: And I love him. I just didn't want to say it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's the cindermon. That was hard because they
Speaker 6: wanted me to go to barbecue and I was like,
Speaker 6: that's back in the day.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we had a limating and the black limon peppers
Speaker 9: is the new black flavor, right, So what you do
Speaker 9: is you take if you take the lemon pepper and
Speaker 9: your other one that's really good, it's the parmesan parmesan
Speaker 9: take that and you kind of mix them and then
Speaker 9: you hit it with like some salt.
Speaker 5: Salt.
Speaker 9: So if you hit them with your salt, Stephan in
Speaker 9: the Crazy Crazy James Crazy, you with that, and then
Speaker 9: you add some butter. Actually put the butter on first,
Speaker 9: and then you put the salt in the seat, and
Speaker 9: so it sticked to the popcorn. And it's like a
Speaker 9: flat at this point in the movies, what do we
Speaker 9: go see? She it was when she took uh I
Speaker 9: was actually working in l A. She took my son
Speaker 9: to see Aquaman, so they took it into So, yeah,
Speaker 9: you might have.
Speaker 6: To break my health protle cals and try that and
Speaker 6: see if the ship works. Hey, bro, hey, listen, it's real.
Speaker 2: Man. Rewind it back for the full recipe, though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just.
Speaker 6: Take you just take his seat something and the salt
Speaker 6: with butter.
Speaker 9: The butter first hit a little season in salt, so
Speaker 9: it sticked to the popcorn, and you good money.
Speaker 6: I had an option to include salt or not include salt,
Speaker 6: but I figured that no, it would have been too.
Speaker 2: Much because it's like, you know, so Steph, Now you
Speaker 2: know that I sell popcorn, salt, many flavors.
Speaker 5: Many Well, well there's only three.
Speaker 10: But how do you like working with williams Sonoma?
Speaker 5: It's cool.
Speaker 6: I enjoy it.
Speaker 5: I love it so much.
Speaker 6: Anyway, who's cooler William? Or so? Wait, you said something
Speaker 6: earlier about domestic life and if it just hit me
Speaker 6: that yes, you're also a wife and a mother, but
Speaker 6: I also know you as sort of already in of
Speaker 6: the galaxy as far as getting news straight and the
Speaker 6: way that you know for people that aren't familiar with
Speaker 6: your I guess your interrogation style. First of all, she's
Speaker 6: a business yeah. But the thing is you don't you
Speaker 6: don't let the small stuff slide, of which I've seen
Speaker 6: some people give up, usually when when pundits come on
Speaker 6: the show and they'll say something not factual.
Speaker 5: First of all, like I feel like.
Speaker 6: You have to do, is you have to do so
Speaker 6: much fact checking, so much research in the type of
Speaker 6: news that you delivered today, because someone can instantly deliver
Speaker 6: an untruth, and.
Speaker 5: You know, some news journalists will just take that as law.
Speaker 10: As in So, I don't have any sort of journalism backgrounds.
Speaker 10: So I was in investment banking for fourteen years.
Speaker 6: We say you brought the MSNBC to talk money and
Speaker 6: you just happen to get hired during the most corrupt politically.
Speaker 10: I was in investment banking for fourteen years, and I
Speaker 10: always wanted to work in media my whole life. And
Speaker 10: one day I was giving a speech for a nonprofit
Speaker 10: called the White House Project because I used to do
Speaker 10: a lot of women's things. And after the founder had
Speaker 10: the board all having lunch, and she said, you know,
Speaker 10: women and black men always get compared to one another.
Speaker 10: And she said, if you take the fifty most powerful
Speaker 10: women and the fifty most powerful black men, they always
Speaker 10: lump us together. They say women and minorities, women and minorities.
Speaker 10: And she said, but go to the top of their field.
Speaker 10: And if you take the fifty most successful Black men
Speaker 10: in America, they actually think about one another.
Speaker 11: They think, how do I get someone.
Speaker 10: Else in my group a board seat, a book deal,
Speaker 10: an opportunity with the company. You know, if you look
Speaker 10: at someone like Jesse Jackson, Jesse and I'm making this up,
Speaker 10: but you know, before the Super Bowl Jessel Jackson will say,
Speaker 10: I'm going to call Pepsicola and find out who are
Speaker 10: they what advertising agency or are they going to be
Speaker 10: working with for their Super Bowl ad because there's African
Speaker 10: American men on that field, or if they're going to
Speaker 10: do or if GM is going to do a banking deal,
Speaker 10: they'll say, who are you going to give your underwriting
Speaker 10: fees to? And they're thinking about it, and she said,
Speaker 10: women don't think about each other in that way. Yet
Speaker 10: one woman makes her way to the top and she's
Speaker 10: on a board and she said, great, I'm here, We're here,
Speaker 10: And she said, you each need to think collectively, how
Speaker 10: am I going to help one another?
Speaker 11: And it was my turn.
Speaker 10: Everyone had to say what they wanted to do in
Speaker 10: their next chapter, and someone else had to raise their
Speaker 10: hand and say, I'm going to get you there.
Speaker 11: And it was my turn, and I said, do you know,
Speaker 11: I think.
Speaker 10: I've always wanted to work in the media, especially after
Speaker 10: the financial crisis when people were just so anti power
Speaker 10: and money didn't necessarily understand it. And I said, you know,
Speaker 10: I think I've always wanted to work in the media.
Speaker 10: And there was a woman there who worked directly for
Speaker 10: Mike Bloomberg, and she said, I'm going to introduce you
Speaker 10: to Mike. And I met Bloomberg, and I met the
Speaker 10: guy who ran Bloomberg Media, and he said, and this
Speaker 10: really speaks to what you all are doing right here.
Speaker 10: And he said, in the new world of media and news,
Speaker 10: we're not going to have any more people reading teleprompters.
Speaker 10: People trust relationships, they don't trust information. Because you can
Speaker 10: get information from anywhere, And he said you have to
Speaker 10: know the content, love the content, and have a desire
Speaker 10: to be on TV. And I said, well, I think
Speaker 10: I have all three. But in order for me to
Speaker 10: walk away from my career, you can pay me zero dollars,
Speaker 10: but you need to give me a show to anchor,
Speaker 10: and you need to hire somebody to teach me how
Speaker 10: to do it.
Speaker 11: And he said deal.
Speaker 6: So you're telling me that you, unlike Boss Bill here,
Speaker 6: you had zero radio, television film experiences.
Speaker 11: I had done TV a couple of times as a
Speaker 11: guest Jersey.
Speaker 10: South South County, North Jersey, South Jerseys like Philly, Yes, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 10: South Jersey.
Speaker 6: Is you're serious?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'd never done it before.
Speaker 5: Okay, So my version of meeting you. You mentioned with
Speaker 5: the speech that you, me and Steve Aoki did.
Speaker 6: First of all of all the things I do, I
Speaker 6: hate public speaking the most, which is what I think.
Speaker 6: I tweet and write better more because I can edit
Speaker 6: better and it seems fluid, but I don't know. My
Speaker 6: mind also has edit in real time, so there's always
Speaker 6: gaps in spaces. And I'm in a room with a
Speaker 6: bunch of fortune five hundred people. You know, of course,
Speaker 6: like my management they want me to do more speaking
Speaker 6: and more you know, conferences or whatever. And it's like
Speaker 6: I have ulcerus about like the anxiety all those things,
Speaker 6: so I nervously spoke about I forgot what I did.
Speaker 6: It's like a it was like a poor man's Ted talk,
Speaker 6: or maybe it's the rich man's Ted talk. What was
Speaker 6: do you remember what the conference?
Speaker 10: Yes, so that it was all it was basically people
Speaker 10: who run marketing for Fortune five hundred companies and consumer companies,
Speaker 10: and then the speakers were sort of influencers. So those
Speaker 10: heads of marketing would understand what you have to say
Speaker 10: in the way you think, so your management team would
Speaker 10: want you there because you're a highly marketable guy.
Speaker 6: So okay, So basically I get on the mic and
Speaker 6: totally mirrored up like hello, like just say a sentence there,
Speaker 6: this is me, How are you exactly? That was wow?
Speaker 2: Wow, sound like mprs.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So there's there's a room for creativity and about
Speaker 6: to cry advertising world. And I feel it like me
Speaker 6: giving the speech in seventh grade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like Steve also was sort of like.
Speaker 2: Well you know, I uh, we're gonna like and so
Speaker 2: today we're going to do this literally.
Speaker 6: So here's the thing. I'd never heard of Stepan you.
Speaker 6: But she walked on that stage and like it was instant.
Speaker 6: We all came in attention like oooh yeah, cot and
Speaker 6: We're like, who is this woman? Like at first I
Speaker 6: thought she was a comedian, so I'm like trying to
Speaker 6: google her at the same time. Oh wow.
Speaker 9: Well, the thing was, she's at the presence of like, yeah,
Speaker 9: I was at the mic stand, id and take the
Speaker 9: mic off the mine stand. She like took the mic
Speaker 9: off the mine stances, okay, show off hands no no, no, no,
Speaker 9: Like she totally took over the room, and I was like,
Speaker 9: who is this woman? I have to know who this
Speaker 9: woman is?
Speaker 2: So then why did you go to the business route
Speaker 2: first instead of doing the media right, I'm curious if
Speaker 2: you had the personality for it in the past.
Speaker 5: My point was that you were born star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my point. That was my question based on
Speaker 2: I knew that's where you were going because I ended up.
Speaker 10: In banking right out of undergrad because I went to
Speaker 10: college in the US only for two years, and I
Speaker 10: studied abroad for two years read right, Kenya, Guatemala in Italy,
Speaker 10: and I stayed in Europe because I had no money left.
Speaker 10: But I wanted to day in Europe, and in order
Speaker 10: to do so, you need to get a job. So
Speaker 10: I'm like, I'll get a job with the bank. They
Speaker 10: have banks all over the world, and I got a
Speaker 10: job with Merrill Lynch. They ended up sending me back
Speaker 10: to New York. And a newsroom and a trading floor
Speaker 10: are very, very similar. They are high energy, loads of testosterone, passionate.
Speaker 10: It's all about teamwork. Everyone kind of leaves it on
Speaker 10: the field. And I didn't even know what anybody did there,
Speaker 10: but I'm like, whatever they do here for a.
Speaker 11: Living, I'm going to do this. And the other thing
Speaker 11: is you can make a lot of money.
Speaker 10: And no one wants to say that that's an ugly truth,
Speaker 10: but especially for women, if you can do something to
Speaker 10: make yourself financially independent, it's a game changer. When you
Speaker 10: think about all the things that happen to women in
Speaker 10: the workplace and put back us into a corner. It's
Speaker 10: about not having financial freedom, and when you need a
Speaker 10: job so badly that you don't know if you can
Speaker 10: make rent at the end of the month, you'll take shit,
Speaker 10: and so to work that you can and I remember
Speaker 10: I almost left banking two years in because I really
Speaker 10: wanted to go to journalism school, and somebody who ended
Speaker 10: up being a mentor of mine, said, don't You'll end
Speaker 10: up a weather girl in Tuscaloosa. And by the way,
Speaker 10: you'll be horrible in local news, which I would be.
Speaker 10: I would be terrible at it. But financial freedom does
Speaker 10: give you the ability to just make better choice. I mean,
Speaker 10: when you have a lot of when you have a
Speaker 10: lot of financial freedom, I think people make terrible choices.
Speaker 10: That's when they're throwing money out the window. But when
Speaker 10: you know that you've got your situation covered, you can
Speaker 10: just take a step back and start to really pursue
Speaker 10: things that you want to do.
Speaker 2: It's crazy when you think about how many peop I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about my me. Of course I'm thinking about myself,
Speaker 2: but then I think about how many people just don't
Speaker 2: know what that feels like. Financial freedom like not check
Speaker 2: because it's not like chasing like not having to have
Speaker 2: a job, like being able to chase your career goals
Speaker 2: like that is.
Speaker 11: But that's because we don't teach anyone to save money.
Speaker 10: When you think about what we go to school for,
Speaker 10: and I'm not talking about college, I'm talking about high school.
Speaker 10: Are you using algebra? Are you using calculus?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 10: But it really would have been great if they taught
Speaker 10: you how to get a mortgage, if they taught you
Speaker 10: how a savings account worked, if you didn't have a
Speaker 10: parent at home that ever said let me show you.
Speaker 10: And I don't mean how to be an investor, but
Speaker 10: how the stock market works. No one teaches you those things.
Speaker 2: And especially I mean not for nothing, but yet that's
Speaker 2: black homes.
Speaker 10: But but that's if you think about financial mobility. You're
Speaker 10: never going to get that if someone doesn't teach it
Speaker 10: to you.
Speaker 2: That's why they try to not teach it to us,
Speaker 2: because they don't want especially for black people, we've been
Speaker 2: had hundreds of years when they don't want you to
Speaker 2: have that.
Speaker 10: So it's not part of the core curriculum in public schools.
Speaker 10: I think that's a huge problem. I've been trying very
Speaker 10: hard to talk to anyone.
Speaker 6: I can just do one class called life.
Speaker 10: You forget when you had home economics in school. Home
Speaker 10: ac which public schools don't have anymore.
Speaker 2: Because budgets are gone, but homeck is not.
Speaker 10: Was not just cooking and sewing. It was also personal
Speaker 10: budgeting right, And so we live in a world where
Speaker 10: people are going, I got to run to a sample
Speaker 10: sale because oh my goodness, everything's on sale. It's not
Speaker 10: on sale if you're buying it on your credit card
Speaker 10: and you can't pay your bill at the end of
Speaker 10: the month. And if we don't start helping people learn
Speaker 10: the basics of just saving money. And I realize life
Speaker 10: is expensive, but if you can save money and you
Speaker 10: know you have a little bit of cushion, you just
Speaker 10: don't have to take so much shit.
Speaker 6: Amen. So okay, So in the banking game, what is
Speaker 6: the thin line between like what what should the real
Speaker 6: ceialing goal be? Because I know that when I think
Speaker 6: of banking, automatically think of Wall Street, Koch Brothers, Uh,
Speaker 6: not AIG but us Yeah, yeah, just ron Ponzi scheme
Speaker 6: like made off. Yeah, I think of corrupt people. Is
Speaker 6: there a good example of lucrative banking done right where
Speaker 6: you can serve a community and be okay?
Speaker 10: If you think, I actually think every job on some
Speaker 10: level is the same. Every job is about relationship building
Speaker 10: and trust. I don't think that my job when I
Speaker 10: was in banking, truthfully, is much different than my job now.
Speaker 10: If you can sit down and help, whether it's your
Speaker 10: client or your viewer, get smarter and better and understand
Speaker 10: what they need and what they want to do.
Speaker 11: That's your goal.
Speaker 10: When I worked in banking, there was no one there
Speaker 10: was There wasn't a hedge fund that said, well, it
Speaker 10: is our mission statement to use Stephanie rule to give
Speaker 10: us the best investment ideas. But they just had to
Speaker 10: figure out Stephanie rules someone I could trust. Are there
Speaker 10: examples of good banking? Yes, like when we dump on
Speaker 10: Corporate America all the time. Corporate America is what keeps
Speaker 10: many cities thriving. Right. Well, when you go you were
Speaker 10: just talking about Atlanta, what's in Atlanta? Bank America. That's
Speaker 10: the biggest company there, and I'm sure they're the biggest
Speaker 10: corporate donor in Atlanta. I'm sure they're one of the
Speaker 10: biggest employers. So they're providing healthcare, they're helping schools there.
Speaker 10: And yes, there are bad, evil, egregious practices, but in
Speaker 10: every business right in in news, in media and entertainment.
Speaker 10: Once people reach that star status and rules get bent
Speaker 10: for them, then the world starts to go out a whack.
Speaker 11: And that's every industry.
Speaker 2: But it seems like in the bank industry, everybody's had
Speaker 2: their fair share of controversy, except when I think I'm like,
Speaker 2: maybe I feel like TD right now is like the
Speaker 2: standalone but Bank of America TD Bank Toronto.
Speaker 10: Toronto Dominion because it's a really vanilla bank that doesn't
Speaker 10: do too many sort of funky edgy things.
Speaker 6: They say, thank you.
Speaker 11: But one of the reasons to be so mad.
Speaker 10: At the industry, and it's not their fault, there's not
Speaker 10: enough rules. Right, So after financial crisis when people didn't
Speaker 10: go to jail, and everyone's like, what the hell, how
Speaker 10: come no one went to jail? Well, the problem is
Speaker 10: they didn't go to jail because technically they didn't break
Speaker 10: the law. Now does that mean we need more regulation?
Speaker 10: It does. But you can take that to the pharmaceutical business,
Speaker 10: right You could say, like, pharmaceutical is the most hated
Speaker 10: industry out there, but those companies are making billions and billions.
Speaker 11: Of dollars because what do they do?
Speaker 10: They have the big The pharmaceutical industry has the biggest
Speaker 10: lobbying effort out there, and so there are very few
Speaker 10: politicians on either side of the angle aisle that are
Speaker 10: looking to regulate big pharma and so lots of regulation
Speaker 10: is bad, but we need some rules to protect people.
Speaker 13: The stakes are higher though, in banking than they are
Speaker 13: in every in other industries. You know, when somebody's corrupt
Speaker 13: and banks, it could cause it ever recession.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, if somebody steals away, especially I mean in banking.
Speaker 10: It was sort of the perfect storm of a lot
Speaker 10: of bad things. And listen, the unfortunate thing about the
Speaker 10: financial crisis is the people who were hurt the most,
Speaker 10: who lost their homes, still haven't recovered, but the industry
Speaker 10: has and that sucks.
Speaker 6: Where do you think we are now? Do you think
Speaker 6: we're on the verge of a recession?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 6: What do you think we are fering?
Speaker 10: And like it's got to come again because we've now
Speaker 10: had ten good years now. One of the issues though,
Speaker 10: and it really led to sort of the birth of
Speaker 10: the Trump voter. It was President Obama's last State of
Speaker 10: the Union address, and I remember it like it was yesterday,
Speaker 10: and he said, anyone who says that the economy has
Speaker 10: not recovered is peddling lies. And here's where he was wrong,
Speaker 10: because the economy had recovered for people who lived on
Speaker 10: the coasts, for people who worked in technology for people
Speaker 10: who worked in an entertainment but for people in Middle
Speaker 10: America it didn't. And sort of out of that speech
Speaker 10: and that sentiment was quasi the birth of the Trump
Speaker 10: voter who said, hold on a second still, I didn't
Speaker 10: get my house back. I haven't paid you know, I
Speaker 10: haven't paid gotten any more money at my job.
Speaker 11: And just think about this.
Speaker 10: I could say to you, it's two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 10: a lot of money for a family to make, and
Speaker 10: you'd be like, yeah, that's a respectable amount of money.
Speaker 10: And that's a family who maybe that could be a
Speaker 10: family with two parents where somebody is a teacher or
Speaker 10: an accountant or an engineer. But a family who makes
Speaker 10: two hundred thousand dollars in the United States cannot afford
Speaker 10: to support themselves and send a kid to college, to
Speaker 10: a private college, and definitely can't send two kids. But
Speaker 10: here's this is the silver lining that I want to
Speaker 10: come to. The silver lining is this that family is
Speaker 10: angry and they feel left out and they feel forgotten.
Speaker 10: It's not that that family is filled with hatred. It's
Speaker 10: not that they hate immigrants, it's not that they hate
Speaker 10: other cultures. Is that that family is saying the system
Speaker 10: doesn't work for me, and so they're frustrated. So what
Speaker 10: gives me hope is when we say this country is
Speaker 10: so angry and so hatefuled and so divided, they're not.
Speaker 10: There are just people who feel forgotten and angry. And
Speaker 10: one of the first things you do when you're angry
Speaker 10: and forgotten is you blame someone else and you point
Speaker 10: the finger, and it's a natural emotion.
Speaker 2: Call the girls are selling water or you do listen.
Speaker 10: Those are very bad examples, and those are real examples
Speaker 10: of young kids who are entrepreneurial, who are doing great things.
Speaker 10: But that person who did that, that's one bad egg.
Speaker 10: And I'm not saying that that bag that egg isn't rotten.
Speaker 10: But can I tell you a story about a woman
Speaker 10: that I met if I'm.
Speaker 12: And she was.
Speaker 10: It was a terrible story, but she actually gives me hope.
Speaker 10: So I was an upstate New York at a dude
Speaker 10: ranch with my family and a woman comes up and
Speaker 10: the owner says, a waitress would like to talk to
Speaker 10: you and tell you why she loves President Trump. So
Speaker 10: she knew who she knew who I was, and I
Speaker 10: was like, we're going to send my kids off the
Speaker 10: table and she can come on over. So she sits down.
Speaker 5: You allow it.
Speaker 2: I allow it. That was a nice way for them
Speaker 2: to do it, though, So let me tell.
Speaker 10: You I allowed it because I want to get smarter
Speaker 10: and better, and because I do have an open mind
Speaker 10: and an open heart.
Speaker 6: Okay, No, I just meant, like I figure family time
Speaker 6: is if I'm at the table.
Speaker 10: No, I can't take a selfie with you right now,
Speaker 10: like when you're at a dude ranch for four days.
Speaker 10: You're through three children. You're going to take a break.
Speaker 10: So she sits down, and she said to me, I
Speaker 10: want to tell you why I love Donald Trump. And
Speaker 10: I said sure, and she said I love him and
Speaker 10: he loves me.
Speaker 11: And she said, and you. She said, you think.
Speaker 10: That I am white to trash And I said, oh
Speaker 10: my goodness, I said I absolutely don't. And I said,
Speaker 10: why on earth would you think this? And she said, well,
Speaker 10: I want to tell you my story. I want to
Speaker 10: tell you who I am.
Speaker 2: He thinks she's white trash, that's the crazy.
Speaker 11: And I said, please tell me.
Speaker 10: And she said, well, Donald Trump came to see me,
Speaker 10: meaning he did a rally up there where she lives.
Speaker 10: And she said and he cares. And I said, tell
Speaker 10: me what his policies are that are going to help
Speaker 10: you in your community. And she said, I don't know,
Speaker 10: but I know he came here. And then she said
Speaker 10: I'm fifty five years old, and she said I'm a
Speaker 10: single mother. And she goes and I have two adult
Speaker 10: daughters who are single mothers. And she said, where you live,
Speaker 10: do you have charter schools? And I played and she
Speaker 10: played me and I said, oh, my goodness, yes, my
Speaker 10: husband right here is the board chair of a charter school,
Speaker 10: Arkinson Achievement for School. And she was like, great, where
Speaker 10: I live here, we don't have any charter schools. We
Speaker 10: have the Warst Schools in New York State. I was like, oh,
Speaker 10: she goes, where you live, you have after school programs
Speaker 10: where the she said, I can't think of the world,
Speaker 10: but it was like a thinly veiled word that wasn't
Speaker 10: racially sensitive, and she goes, were the girls in your
Speaker 10: neighborhood even after school program for those girls' kids? And
Speaker 10: I bet you raise money? And I said, yes, yes,
Speaker 10: you know, we have a big brother, big sister, blah blah,
Speaker 10: you know. She goes, yeah, you have charity events for
Speaker 10: those things. You don't ever come up here and raise
Speaker 10: any money, blah blah blah, so on and so forth,
Speaker 10: and she said, we're dependent on social services and they
Speaker 10: don't ever answer the phone. And she said, I don't
Speaker 10: have grandchildren who are washing up on shore wearing tattered
Speaker 10: clothes in an inflatable boat. And she said, my story
Speaker 10: isn't ugly enough to be on the cover of your newspaper,
Speaker 10: but I am not pretty enough to go to your
Speaker 10: house for dinner.
Speaker 2: But him a couple of esquire last months. So with
Speaker 2: the whole white problem.
Speaker 12: So but to her point, but to her point, it
Speaker 12: just makes me sad that she thinks she thinks he cares.
Speaker 2: Because he show up.
Speaker 6: The thing is, I think he knows. The thing is
Speaker 6: is that what makes me more frustrated with him than
Speaker 6: anything is because I believe he knows better because he's
Speaker 6: a vesting promoter. He knows.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And it's like he played her.
Speaker 11: But here's the thing.
Speaker 10: She's not wrong in that Hillary Clinton did spend two
Speaker 10: or three work weeks in the August of twenty sixteen
Speaker 10: doing the one thing she didn't need to do. She
Speaker 10: went to the Hamptons. And oftentimes when people are their
Speaker 10: most desperate, they need someone to just look at them
Speaker 10: and just hold their hand. And this goes to the
Speaker 10: feeling of isolation people have with the birth of social media.
Speaker 10: People aren't talking to their neighbors or their friends.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 10: I've lived in New York City for twenty two years.
Speaker 10: I never know the names of all my neighbors and
Speaker 10: the doorman and the building next to me. And you
Speaker 10: know who does my mother Because my mother is not
Speaker 10: of a social media generation. She doesn't use the cell phone,
Speaker 10: she doesn't use so she doesn't use a computer, but
Speaker 10: she knows my community. And so whether Donald Trump is
Speaker 10: sincere or not, and you're one hundred percent right, he's not.
Speaker 10: In fact, when he goes and does those rallies, they
Speaker 10: often say that once people become the president and they
Speaker 10: see the country, they become empathetic because they travel.
Speaker 11: When President Trump does.
Speaker 10: A rally, he literally lands, unrolls the carpet, pitches the tent,
Speaker 10: does the show, throws the hats and gets back on
Speaker 10: and leaves. So what you're saying is completely true. It's
Speaker 10: sad because he doesn't care. But even if it's about
Speaker 10: giving people short.
Speaker 5: Term hope, the idea of Kirie her.
Speaker 10: But I also think about when people grew to know
Speaker 10: him and believe his story. They were watching The Apprentice.
Speaker 10: And here's the thing. In the nineteen eighties, Johnny Carson
Speaker 10: was considered the most trusted man in America. And it's
Speaker 10: because when people were watching him, they're watching him the
Speaker 10: same time they're watching Questlove at eleven thirty at night
Speaker 10: in their beds, in their underwear, in their pajamas, and
Speaker 10: they feel like they have a relationship with you. Right.
Speaker 10: Think about a beloved person in America, it's Al Roker.
Speaker 10: Al Roker doesn't just do the weather. He goes out
Speaker 10: into Rockefeller Plaza and he physically touches people who are
Speaker 10: out there in the cold, and he's talking to them
Speaker 10: about their weather. On the first morning, and saw people
Speaker 10: saw Donald Trump at ten o'clock at night on NBC News,
Speaker 10: eating their ice creams, sitting on their couch, and they're
Speaker 10: watching him play a role that wasn't true. But this
Speaker 10: you're fired, straight talking. I'm the richest guy in New York.
Speaker 10: So if you watched Mike Bloomberg when he spoke at
Speaker 10: the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, I remember it because
Speaker 10: I worked at Bloomberger I said for five years. If
Speaker 10: you actually watched his speech, it was it wasn't bitter,
Speaker 10: but there was this twinge in it because you could
Speaker 10: actually hear that Mike Bloomberg is going, this guy's a fraud.
Speaker 10: And he wasn't saying I'm the richest guy in New
Speaker 10: York or I'm the most philanthropic, but as the guy
Speaker 10: who is one of the greatest philanthropists in the country,
Speaker 10: who is a great businessman, who is extraordinary here. You
Speaker 10: actually watched him at that podium kind of shaking his head, going,
Speaker 10: this is a con man America. And whether he's whether
Speaker 10: President Trump is a con man or not, his salesmanship worked.
Speaker 2: And he didn't. It's funny. I feel like he almost
Speaker 2: he cheated and used it. It's privilege in a way
Speaker 2: for him to be able to just go touch them
Speaker 2: by then feel affected and not have to tell them
Speaker 2: what he's going to do for them or anything. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I'm like Obama had to go touch people, lay down
Speaker 2: a plan, convince you, put a pen, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And all he had to do was come
Speaker 2: to your neighborhood and say how you doing, I'm out
Speaker 2: go And that's just an interesting breakdown in that way.
Speaker 10: But it's great to think about Obama now. The one
Speaker 10: thing that Obama gave people, because remember Obama was elected
Speaker 10: as the financial crisis was crumbling. Obama was a message
Speaker 10: of hope, and President Trump had a different message of hope. Right,
Speaker 10: Obama had a universal message of inclusion and hope. And
Speaker 10: then eight years went by and a lot of people said,
Speaker 10: well I didn't get included, and President Trump, whether he's
Speaker 10: whether it's true or not, said but I love you
Speaker 10: and I see you. Let's do this.
Speaker 2: Why didn't he They make them prove it though, if
Speaker 2: you let me show me.
Speaker 10: Because the benefit that he had is he wasn't a politician,
Speaker 10: so there was no track record to point to. He
Speaker 10: was going up against somebody who had a lifetime track
Speaker 10: record in the public eye, who people had been critiquing
Speaker 10: for thirty years, and she had been critiqued so much
Speaker 10: that she lost a sense of her real self and
Speaker 10: humanity because she had been politicized for all those years.
Speaker 5: Okay, I was.
Speaker 6: Also going to add in that, I mean, I personally
Speaker 6: believe that with Russia interfering with and I do I
Speaker 6: have to say allegedly interfering oh no more think yeah,
Speaker 6: but I still don't believe that he would have won
Speaker 6: had had the election been unscathed. I truly don't think that.
Speaker 10: I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I don't give
Speaker 10: any I don't give any time or heart to that
Speaker 10: because the toothpaste ain't going back in the tube, right,
Speaker 10: and so like even for me, Robert Muller is going
Speaker 10: to figure out what Robert Muller does, and in my opinion.
Speaker 6: That you're going to be a result, Like what do
Speaker 6: you think the end game is going to be? He's
Speaker 6: still going to do his four years.
Speaker 10: Honestly, I don't don't say eight years. Listen, I think
Speaker 10: there's a very good chance he gets reelected.
Speaker 5: Serious, I do do.
Speaker 2: I want to hear why? So what do you think?
Speaker 2: Why is it based on what you were just saying
Speaker 2: kind of about the interaction.
Speaker 10: No, I think that the president has uh And again
Speaker 10: I'm not saying it's good, but I think he has
Speaker 10: a two pronged plan that works. So if you actually
Speaker 10: look at his policies, he is hooking up the rich,
Speaker 10: and the rich didn't actually vote for him the first
Speaker 10: time around, and he is helping them out all over
Speaker 10: the place. Corporate America and the super wealthy who do
Speaker 10: not have Trump signs in their front yard. They're not
Speaker 10: wearing Make America Great Again hats that they want to
Speaker 10: protect the status quo. They'll get quietly voting for him.
Speaker 10: So he hooks them up on policies over here, and
Speaker 10: at the same time that he's doing that quietly while
Speaker 10: you're sleeping, he's doing a Trump rally. And at that
Speaker 10: Trump rally he gins up. He stirs up all of
Speaker 10: those culture wars. So he's going, I know, I haven't
Speaker 10: helped you in business yet, and you're not making any
Speaker 10: more money. Give me time. Give me time, because when
Speaker 10: we go, oh my god, these tariffs, like he's killing
Speaker 10: the farmers, and I'm saying he's killing the farmers, and
Speaker 10: I'm saying it from a newsroom in New York. And
Speaker 10: then when you actually send a reporter to Kansas or
Speaker 10: Nebraska and you interview those farmers, those farmers say, you
Speaker 10: know what, I'm going to give him more time.
Speaker 11: At least he's taking this on because he talks the talk.
Speaker 10: But then he stirs up these race baiting culture arguments
Speaker 10: that take in the build the wall. You know, these
Speaker 10: three word slogans, and he goes to those rallies and
Speaker 10: those people are going yes. So his base stands with him.
Speaker 10: Rich people stand with him. And then the third lane,
Speaker 10: which is his truly winning lane. What wait, nope, it's
Speaker 10: judges the president. It's judges.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he's he's president.
Speaker 2: Judges.
Speaker 10: You've got two Supreme Court justices he's ready to gout
Speaker 10: on the bench. And even more than that is federal judges. Yes, okay,
Speaker 10: federal judges. He has got a record number of federal
Speaker 10: judges on the bench, and those are jobs for a lifetime,
Speaker 10: and the majority of them are white men under the
Speaker 10: age of forty. So if you are a Christian conservative
Speaker 10: and you say, and I'm going to you, I don't
Speaker 10: understand how the evangelical community could be standing by the president.
Speaker 10: I mean, what do you think about the things that
Speaker 10: he says and does? Well, guess what if you're somebody
Speaker 10: in that community, you're saying, I'm not even going to
Speaker 10: know what Trump's name is in four years, But he
Speaker 10: is putting judges on the bench who support my beliefs
Speaker 10: and they're going to be there forever. And the justice
Speaker 10: system impacts every aspect of our lives you telling.
Speaker 11: Right, I mean yesterday are today?
Speaker 10: Excuse me, Paul Manniford's lawyers are arguing for a more
Speaker 10: lenient sentence, saying, well, he didn't kill anyone, he didn't
Speaker 10: run a drug cartel. He's not Bernie made Off. And
Speaker 10: I'm laughing to myself saying, well, really you're after you're
Speaker 10: representing Paul Manafort. Are you then going to be representing
Speaker 10: young African American males who get put in prison for
Speaker 10: small drug infractions and work on lesser sentences for them.
Speaker 10: The answer is no.
Speaker 6: Well, okay, you mentioned about the beliefs in the lifestyles
Speaker 6: of the coasts versus that of Middle America.
Speaker 10: But remember Middle America is also right here. We keep
Speaker 10: thinking that like that Trump voter is like way out
Speaker 10: there in the hinterland, and not.
Speaker 5: Is Middle America.
Speaker 6: So with what Alexandria Alexandria Cortes says about this new
Speaker 6: Green Deal, all right, I know she's wet behind the ears,
Speaker 6: I know she's a newbie, But does she have a
Speaker 6: point or Because the thing is is that you can
Speaker 6: look at it both ways. Because the thing is that, okay,
Speaker 6: I respect the ideal of the Middle America worker or whatever,
Speaker 6: you know, the coal miner. I understand people have to
Speaker 6: feed their kids, but at what point do we realize
Speaker 6: that it's twenty twenty and technology and your day is
Speaker 6: just over a new well.
Speaker 2: A lot of them aren't working. So aren't they kind
Speaker 2: of understanding that because having things shrunk in the middle.
Speaker 11: But it's also not you keep.
Speaker 10: Thinking it's the coal worker out there because people right here.
Speaker 13: Why didn't the lady from upstate that you were talking
Speaker 13: about earlier, why and she just moved down to New
Speaker 13: York City?
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, list stop stop listen, no no, no,
Speaker 6: but time out, time out. He's joking, But I'm kind
Speaker 6: of thinking of that. And but the thing is that
Speaker 6: people know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: I can barely, but that's real. That's real, like like
Speaker 10: the struggle is real for everyone, right, and the rich
Speaker 10: have gotten people who are like I'm talking rich, rich
Speaker 10: have gotten so rich that things don't even cut like
Speaker 10: there is no price on anything.
Speaker 13: How do you redistribute Sorry to interrupt your thought, how
Speaker 13: I'm trying to just get to the some of some
Speaker 13: of the end endgame. How do you redistribute wealth without
Speaker 13: redistributing wealth listen.
Speaker 10: It's really tricky.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 10: It's somebody who you should actually meet if you haven't
Speaker 10: met him yet. Is a guy named Michael Tubbs. He's
Speaker 10: the current mayor of Stockton, California.
Speaker 11: I love this boy.
Speaker 10: He's twenty eight years old, grew up a single mom.
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure his father was incarcerated for most of
Speaker 10: his life. He interned at Google I want to say
Speaker 10: he entered at Facebook, and then the last year before
Speaker 10: he graduated from college, he interned at the White House.
Speaker 10: And it comes home and he says to his mother,
Speaker 10: I want to go into politics. And she's like, uh uh.
Speaker 10: She's like, you're the one who's going to get us
Speaker 10: out of here, and he said, no, I think this
Speaker 10: is my calling. He joined the city council in Stockton
Speaker 10: I want to say twenty two. He became mayor when
Speaker 10: he was twenty six. And he's this unbelievable force, and
Speaker 10: through philanthropy, he just in the last month has implemented
Speaker 10: universal basic income.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 11: So there's not a clear answer yet.
Speaker 6: Philanthropy maybe is, but the.
Speaker 10: Problem is it can't just be philanthropy because that's like
Speaker 10: this system has been so gamed that we're then supposed
Speaker 10: to say, oh, thank you so much, Microsoft for giving
Speaker 10: us these crumbs and these pennies on the side. The
Speaker 10: answer isn't corporate America bad. Individuals are good. Government and
Speaker 10: corporate America have to find a way to work together
Speaker 10: or we are going to turn into the Third World.
Speaker 6: Do you think that corporate America should pay their taxes?
Speaker 10: That mean corporate America should pay their taxes, But that's
Speaker 10: not the issue. Corporate America isn't evil for paying zero taxes.
Speaker 10: They're legally gaming.
Speaker 11: The system, right, So it's a a system changed.
Speaker 10: So change the system, okay, as long as every company
Speaker 10: has a need for a tax department, as long as
Speaker 10: someone is a tax lawyer. As long as the tax
Speaker 10: system is so complicated that sophisticated, wealthy people can use
Speaker 10: loophole after loophole to pay nothing and regular people can't,
Speaker 10: then the system doesn't work. So when they cut the
Speaker 10: corporate tax rate from thirty nine percent to twenty one percent,
Speaker 10: do you know what, really rich people did turn themselves
Speaker 10: into corporations, So now they pay twenty one percent corporations
Speaker 10: before the tax cut, we're paying too much, So it
Speaker 10: should be.
Speaker 5: Exactly shut up whatever, no good.
Speaker 10: The answer is we've got to find a way. When
Speaker 10: President Trump said make America great again for everyone at
Speaker 10: this table or for a women, you could say like
Speaker 10: that phrase is rooted in racism because for women and minorities.
Speaker 9: No, that was it wasn't great for us. We don't
Speaker 9: want to go back in town like black people don't
Speaker 9: own a time trap.
Speaker 10: But I'll tell you what things used to be for
Speaker 10: many people. The disparity between the boss and the worker
Speaker 10: pay has never been great as great as it was now.
Speaker 10: It used to be like this and we're on the radio,
Speaker 10: so I shouldn't just use my hands or only speaking
Speaker 10: of no visual It has grown massively. We have to
Speaker 10: figure out a way to shrink that. So when they
Speaker 10: gave that big tax cut, instead of just giving it
Speaker 10: and hoping, hey, you're going to give people a raise.
Speaker 10: If you gave that tax cut, there should have been
Speaker 10: stipulations around worker pay. But I'll tell you one more
Speaker 10: thing and then I promise we could change the subject.
Speaker 10: Here's the issue. It is not a CEO's job. It's
Speaker 10: not his job to do right by the community and
Speaker 10: to do right by his employees. He should or she should,
Speaker 10: but as his fiducia. As a fiduciary, his job is
Speaker 10: to make money. It is to make money for his shareholder.
Speaker 10: It's to sell products. If you want to change the
Speaker 10: rules of the game, giddy up, let's change them.
Speaker 11: But given what the rules are, you can't.
Speaker 10: Let's say we were all shareholders in Questlove LLC, and
Speaker 10: Questlove decided tomorrow, Hey, guys.
Speaker 6: Do a mirror.
Speaker 10: Let's say we're all investors in a mere LLC and
Speaker 10: tomorrow Amir says, guess what I've decided. I'm going to
Speaker 10: take thirty percent of our profits and before I pay
Speaker 10: it back to you, I'm going to start a foundation
Speaker 10: and I'm going to give it to kids that I
Speaker 10: want to in Philadelphia. And then I'm going to turn
Speaker 10: this studio into I'm going to only use green energy.
Speaker 10: And the six of us sitting here could say, damn right,
Speaker 10: you won't. That's my money. I'm your investor. You don't
Speaker 10: get to pick to do the right thing. You don't
Speaker 10: get to pick to go green. That's my money. You're
Speaker 10: going to give it back to me, and then I'm
Speaker 10: going to decide what I do with it. So we're
Speaker 10: sitting here with our arms folded demanding that corporate America
Speaker 10: quote unquote do the right thing. Then the answer is
Speaker 10: change the rules of the game of what the right
Speaker 10: thing is. Now, with people like Alexandra Ocasio Cortes getting elected,
Speaker 10: that shows that there are more voters saying maybe I
Speaker 10: want something different, With millennials saying I only want to
Speaker 10: do business or buy products from companies whose values I support,
Speaker 10: maybe you're gonna start to see difference.
Speaker 11: My concern is those things are only happening at the margin.
Speaker 2: Yes, once you start really auditing, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 9: Because it's president it is because people only do the
Speaker 9: right thing after they try everything else.
Speaker 2: Because once you really start auditing the companies that you
Speaker 2: support in the smallest ways, whether it's the cereal that
Speaker 2: you eat or the stocks that you yeah, because you'll
Speaker 2: start seeing it's funny because they are starting to learn
Speaker 2: the politics of these corporations or presidents and things of
Speaker 2: that nature. And it's kind of ill because you have
Speaker 2: to make these decisions like do I stop doing what
Speaker 2: I've been doing for ten years because now I know
Speaker 2: something that I people didn't used to know ten years ago.
Speaker 10: But do you reward the companies that do the right thing.
Speaker 10: And here's why I ask.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 10: Just today I sat down with Ed Stack. Ed Sack
Speaker 10: is the CEO of Dick Sporting Goods. Dick Sporting Goods
Speaker 10: is based in Pittsburgh. If you remember, it'll be a
Speaker 10: year ago Thursday, after the Parkland shooting, they said we're
Speaker 10: not going to sell assault rifles anymore. Okay, that's a
Speaker 10: big deal. That's a company based in Pittsburgh with huge
Speaker 10: hunting business. They went to their sales dropped, I want
Speaker 10: to say, just under, just like four percent. And here's
Speaker 10: what I want to know. All those activist groups who
Speaker 10: stand up and say, let's boycott this company, let's boycott
Speaker 10: that company, and they all stand not they all many
Speaker 10: people get righteous and indignant and they say, this company
Speaker 10: doesn't stand for my values.
Speaker 11: I'm boycotting them.
Speaker 10: I want to know, on the other side, when a
Speaker 10: company stands up and makes a move that's around culture
Speaker 10: or social justice, definitely, where are those groups lining up
Speaker 10: to go buy products there?
Speaker 9: We're looking for something to boycott and with the yeah company,
Speaker 9: but the people company, But the people who were.
Speaker 2: Around they still I think the people who were boycotting
Speaker 2: with them still see that and go back. I mean
Speaker 2: I remember I hate to use Target as an example,
Speaker 2: but targeted during Hurricane Katrina. Right, they did all this stuff,
Speaker 2: they gave whatever that I remember that and that state
Speaker 2: my mind until you know, they fucked up everybody's debit
Speaker 2: card situation. But still.
Speaker 10: We need to remember gratitude and forgiveness because this is
Speaker 10: an angry, divided time and we're quick to get mad
Speaker 10: and quick to say I'm done with you, I'm finished
Speaker 10: with you when someone does something we support.
Speaker 6: You're also one of the few journalists that I know
Speaker 6: that actually takes a portion of your show to say,
Speaker 6: here's some good things.
Speaker 2: Power respect.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 6: And the thing is is that no one's ever going
Speaker 6: to report the good news like I didn't know about.
Speaker 6: I think that's admirable that Dick Sporting Goods did that,
Speaker 6: But I don't think we're in society that necessarily will
Speaker 6: throw a ticket tape parade because someone helped my grandmother
Speaker 6: across the street today.
Speaker 10: Let's find a way to do that. And the truth
Speaker 10: is right, so people always I'm going to get it wrong.
Speaker 10: A newspaper is something like right. And we do love
Speaker 10: train wrecks, we do love reality shows, we love the
Speaker 10: world Wrestling Federation. But we have to find a way,
Speaker 10: not in some Pollyanna way, but at the margins to
Speaker 10: celebrate good things.
Speaker 5: But is it also okay?
Speaker 6: You remember the Chris Rock joke where he's like, uh,
Speaker 6: Fithers always want credit for something this. Yeah, I was
Speaker 6: actually gonna bring that up.
Speaker 11: Tell me, tell me no.
Speaker 10: No, I mean like when dad say I'm babysitting my kids. Exactly,
Speaker 10: You're watching your offspring.
Speaker 6: Your jobs, supposed to my keys, you supposed to take
Speaker 6: care of your key. So it's it's but could that
Speaker 6: also be the case, like.
Speaker 2: You should give bad company. Yeah, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: a big deal, you should.
Speaker 6: I mean, but in what ways would you feel that
Speaker 6: it's more prudent or beneficial for said protesters to let
Speaker 6: us know that it's great to shop at Dix again?
Speaker 11: Listen, you you watch those protests.
Speaker 10: You watch those protest groups go off on social media
Speaker 10: and say I'm done with this company instead.
Speaker 11: Great.
Speaker 10: Fine, Then when I don't know, Father's Day comes around,
Speaker 10: I want to see that same handle, say great, Dick's
Speaker 10: dorky golf shoes.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see. But Sey, I think what you're saying,
Speaker 2: that's a whole nother round because we all know, and
Speaker 2: you know this even better than we do. There are
Speaker 2: organizations that are just for protesting, like, uh, even with
Speaker 2: black people black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter is particularly
Speaker 2: a protest organization, right, so they might not be the
Speaker 2: ones that are gonna come back afterwards and be like, so,
Speaker 2: you know, now we can support da DA It seems
Speaker 2: like it needs to be in some ore entities that
Speaker 2: do that clean up on the back end.
Speaker 10: Yes, I'm just saying there has to be a way
Speaker 10: to find goodness and push the goodness forward because otherwise
Speaker 10: we're just anger on top of anger, and I know
Speaker 10: that every day.
Speaker 6: But there's a lot of unresolved issues, a lot I
Speaker 6: feel like. I think in the case of the Parkland
Speaker 6: shooting time, Yes, whenever there is a shooting and an occurrence,
Speaker 6: the one question that no one ever seems to bring
Speaker 6: up in you know, whenever these problems arise, that I
Speaker 6: never seemed to hear is the reasoning behind wanting arm
Speaker 6: to be armed, of which no one is really going
Speaker 6: to talk about. You know, the reason why arms are
Speaker 6: used in the first place was for slaves to keep
Speaker 6: slaves in the line, to keep them from running away.
Speaker 5: Like we know, get to that part of the conversation.
Speaker 2: That's like our part. They don't get to our parts
Speaker 2: of the conversation, which is kind of like the best
Speaker 2: thing that I feel like.
Speaker 6: The history of the gun in America starts with what
Speaker 6: were they used for? And it's almost like the white elephant, that.
Speaker 2: Do we talk about.
Speaker 6: What dogs was used for? I mean, shit, I mean.
Speaker 2: They used to chase black people, and you know, that's
Speaker 2: what it was all about. But that's fine, you know,
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know they did. I don't I don't
Speaker 6: fuck with dollars though Zara's not still happy with these answers.
Speaker 6: But my point is that my point is that I
Speaker 6: don't know if I would say, hey, okay, well dick'porting
Speaker 6: Goods did right by us, so go buy rifle. Like
Speaker 6: I personally, I mean, I don't want to put my
Speaker 6: personal beliefs on people. But you know, wait, wait, let
Speaker 6: me let me, let me backtrack. You're from the down South,
Speaker 6: uh fante. Now, I was very shocked at Big Mike's
Speaker 6: the killer the warning thing, yeah, killer killer Mike's position
Speaker 6: about wanting to be armed, and he felt he you know,
Speaker 6: he's a doctor. Second second memorized teaches his daughter how
Speaker 6: to do it. But I understand the lifestyle of which
Speaker 6: he grew up in under the Mason Dixon line down south,
Speaker 6: that that's necessary. That's a necessity for him. In your
Speaker 6: experiences in North Carolina, do you feel that you need
Speaker 6: to be armed or.
Speaker 9: Not really because you just don't necessarily dwell where you feel. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean, listen, well, I don't know if
Speaker 9: this is a dwelling thing.
Speaker 6: I mean for us.
Speaker 9: Like so for my my earliest experience with guns, my
Speaker 9: granddaddy had a shotgun he kept like right behind the bed.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: You had like a rifle back there, and I mean
Speaker 9: just in casey. Yeah, I guess your grandparents, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 9: all these granddaddy's had.
Speaker 2: To gun grandmattle pistols.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so my grand my granddaddy had the gun.
Speaker 9: And I mean, like all my homies they pops had
Speaker 9: like shotguns or whatever. But it wasn't a thing of
Speaker 9: where like if you felt like you needed to, like
Speaker 9: if you were in danger or whatever, that you felt
Speaker 9: like you had to carry a gun. When I was
Speaker 9: coming up, it just wasn't It just wasn't that if
Speaker 9: it was really somebody, if you was just a regular dude,
Speaker 9: and my regular dude, if you was just a dude
Speaker 9: that just went to school, just you know, just you
Speaker 9: was just a regular cat.
Speaker 6: If you had problems with somebody, you just damn y'all
Speaker 6: just scrapped.
Speaker 2: But in twenty nineteen, if you.
Speaker 9: Had guns, like if the niggas I knew they had guns,
Speaker 9: they was like all the duds in the streets.
Speaker 2: So but in twenty nineteen, fast forward, do you feel
Speaker 2: like I feel like I know more people regular as
Speaker 2: we like to say that have at least something in
Speaker 2: the house. Not did you carry, but at least.
Speaker 9: Something, Yeah, something in the house. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 9: know some I got like one home. You just got
Speaker 9: like a ton of fucking guns. I've always wanted to
Speaker 9: ask those people, how often have you had to use
Speaker 9: the gun the youth? Yeah, that you just having you
Speaker 9: go to.
Speaker 2: The gun range, just make sure the muscles still work.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Because the thing is even with that, like when
Speaker 9: people say it's for home defense, Like I don't think
Speaker 9: people understand like how quick that ship jump off? Dude, Like,
Speaker 9: so unless you just walk around your house and your
Speaker 9: god damns with your gun you up under the on
Speaker 9: the top shelf, up under all them books. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: like they read like niggas. Man the other night, like
Speaker 9: we was in I was up one night this was
Speaker 9: this was like there's a couple of weeks ago. So
Speaker 9: I'm in the crib and I'm just up late, and
Speaker 9: you know, it's I'm just in my regular hours. It's
Speaker 9: like maybe like three four in the morning, and so
Speaker 9: our motion to tept to light comes on outside.
Speaker 6: So but we live around like woods and ship. So
Speaker 6: it's I'm thinking animal.
Speaker 9: It could have been an animal, it could have been
Speaker 9: a rand cause it could have been any kind of ship.
Speaker 9: And so I go and I open, like just look
Speaker 9: in the window and it's like a kid. It looks
Speaker 9: literally like my son outside, right, so like my older son.
Speaker 9: I got two boys, eighteen thirteen, so I'm seeing what
Speaker 9: looks exactly like my son.
Speaker 6: So my first thinking, I'm just I was like, why
Speaker 6: is my son outside?
Speaker 5: At four?
Speaker 9: Them like what hold the fuck up? And then it
Speaker 9: clicks on me, so I like look at the window.
Speaker 9: I tap and homie, look, I run outside. What the
Speaker 9: fuck y'all doing? These niggas take off running? It was
Speaker 9: two It was these kids.
Speaker 6: So because we live like by high school. So what
Speaker 6: it is?
Speaker 9: It is these these fucking idiots. No, they won't even
Speaker 9: smoke it. They do this shit where they just go
Speaker 9: to cars and they don't even break in the car.
Speaker 9: They don't steal this cap, just try to damn try
Speaker 9: to if it's something unlocked. If the car is nun locked,
Speaker 9: they see if it's a lot, and then try to
Speaker 9: go and get something out of the car. So I
Speaker 9: run outside and like like run them off. And then
Speaker 9: I'm thinking, but I ain't got no gun. We mean,
Speaker 9: I'm not even thinking to go get a gun on knife.
Speaker 9: I'm just like, what the fuck y'all niggas do? So
Speaker 9: I run out, they run off. So then it becomes
Speaker 9: a whole nother thing because now I'm like, okay, do
Speaker 9: I want to call the police, because then these niggas
Speaker 9: might get shot. So it's like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 9: I wish we did so, but it's like these are
Speaker 9: the levels whenever people talk that gun ship, I'm like, dog,
Speaker 9: but you know that y'all ain't really been in no
Speaker 9: smoke before.
Speaker 2: Because you go the wrong house, well, yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: want you. They was lucky they went to your house.
Speaker 9: You was like, yeah, because like the white dude was
Speaker 9: the next to me, I think that got a RC
Speaker 9: He could have you know, he could have let up
Speaker 9: what it was a thing where it was.
Speaker 6: It was just like, dude, like I'm looking at this
Speaker 6: ship and it's just like, Yo.
Speaker 9: First of all, I'm like, Okay, y'all are fucking idiots,
Speaker 9: because who the fuck try to breaking cars in a
Speaker 9: cul de sac nigga.
Speaker 6: It ain't but one way in, one way out.
Speaker 2: So y'all ain't that fucking suburban boy?
Speaker 9: I'm like, y'all ain't really about that action, you know
Speaker 9: what I mean. So I came out and like we
Speaker 9: called police or whatever. I'm just like, look what they
Speaker 9: look like. I'm like, I just they had on hoods.
Speaker 9: I don't know, but yeah. So and even in moments
Speaker 9: like that, like me and my wife we talked, Yo,
Speaker 9: so do you think it's time to get a gun?
Speaker 6: I was like, well that was a one yes, Like
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 9: It just ain't that again, unless you just gonna be
Speaker 9: a commando nigga that just walk around in your boxes
Speaker 9: with a gun just while you eat your fucking corn.
Speaker 6: Your face props it. Yeah, Like, are you describing to
Speaker 6: Omar right now for the yeah on bacon? Dude?
Speaker 9: I just don't, yeah, And I just don't live my
Speaker 9: life in a way that like that requires that I
Speaker 9: find a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So when you were just speaking, I was thinking, So
Speaker 10: this morning, my son, who's twelve, was pressing my husband
Speaker 10: and I that the music we let him listen to
Speaker 10: we have it on a filter that he can only
Speaker 10: listen to the clean version of songs cool, And he's
Speaker 10: complaining he's twelve, and he's like, I don't want to
Speaker 10: listen to the clean version. That means there's lots of
Speaker 10: songs I can't listen to, blah blah blah. What's the
Speaker 10: reason why I can't?
Speaker 11: And I can't? Really, I didn't really have a good answer.
Speaker 10: It requires a history lesson right, so right here, right,
Speaker 10: So I didn't really have a good answer. And so
Speaker 10: while you're sitting here speaking, and I'm going thinking about
Speaker 10: my son listening to this, because obviously is going to
Speaker 10: want to listen to it, he's gonna have a conversation
Speaker 10: with me after again about.
Speaker 11: The N word.
Speaker 2: I knew that's where you were going, So I want
Speaker 2: you to help.
Speaker 10: Me right, because there's been all these conversations that lack
Speaker 10: education or that lack nuance, and now people are giving
Speaker 10: the wrong answer.
Speaker 11: I want you to honestly help me with, like what's
Speaker 11: my right?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 10: No, no, obviously they can't, But what's obviously and what?
Speaker 10: And when you're speaking to children who can only who
Speaker 10: are like?
Speaker 2: Who's funny?
Speaker 11: From my heart and mine couldn't be more.
Speaker 2: Understand And it's funny because I would have thought that
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have been serious until a week ago when
Speaker 2: I was sitting randomly sitting with them, a white mom
Speaker 2: who had like a one year old son, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was funny the cover of the Esquire magazine
Speaker 2: about the white boy, and she said, but no, seriously, though,
Speaker 2: what do I tell my son? How do I raise
Speaker 2: my son in this world and tell him how to react?
Speaker 2: And I thought it was such an interesting conversation because
Speaker 2: you know, black people have been doing this all our lives.
Speaker 2: You know, we've had to extra nurture, extra education, and
Speaker 2: so now it's time for white people to extra educate,
Speaker 2: extra nurture and teach about culture. And a lot of times,
Speaker 2: I know it sucks for you guys, because you weren't
Speaker 2: a lot of people like her. She wasn't taught a
Speaker 2: lot of things, so she doesn't like she doesn't have
Speaker 2: the answer to that question, the history of the N
Speaker 2: word and everything else. So that's all I was going
Speaker 2: to say. I said, I just wanted to say in
Speaker 2: that moment that I'm taking this conversation very seriously now
Speaker 2: when I used to kind of laugh, but now you
Speaker 2: have to help about helping word.
Speaker 6: All right, So here's the thing with white people and
Speaker 6: and niggas a look talk about it.
Speaker 9: Look, dude, this ship is real easy. Look like you
Speaker 9: can't in the terms of music. So just on the
Speaker 9: base level, like we're talking to your son about explicit lyrics.
Speaker 9: What I went through with my son like when they
Speaker 9: were when they were younger, my whole thing was, I mean,
Speaker 9: because I make music. So my whole thing was now again,
Speaker 9: when I I was you know, in when I was
Speaker 9: a kid, you could buy the clean version from kmart
Speaker 9: or whatever, and the only way you could hear the
Speaker 9: explicit version was if your homie had the tape or
Speaker 9: if a cousin had the tape or whatever. So there
Speaker 9: was some kind of separation. Now we all all into
Speaker 9: the same Internet, there is no separation, so it's very yeah,
Speaker 9: don't pay for none of the shit. So the thing
Speaker 9: now is trying to limit them to the clean versions
Speaker 9: of something. It really is just kind of a moot point,
Speaker 9: because I mean they can if you google that one song,
Speaker 9: I promise you the clean version ain't gonna be the
Speaker 9: one to come up, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: So my thing was always, well, listen if I know
Speaker 9: y'all gonna listen to this fuck shit. So yeah, I
Speaker 9: was like, I know y'all gonna listen to this bullshit,
Speaker 9: so listen to it with me and we can have
Speaker 9: a conversation about what this really means. Because also too,
Speaker 9: there's another level where y'all thinking about like the you know,
Speaker 9: from the racial aspect and a lot of that hip
Speaker 9: hop shit. It's a lot of gang references in gang culture.
Speaker 9: And I'm like, Homie, when when my son was.
Speaker 6: A kid, well that too. But then even like the
Speaker 6: ship before, like.
Speaker 9: Blank Wayne when he was like it was blood like,
Speaker 9: so it's a lot of like coded language and that
Speaker 9: ship they don't know that they don't know, And I'm like, Homie,
Speaker 9: you you say that ship in the wrong place, You're
Speaker 9: gonna get fucked up. So my thing was, I just
Speaker 9: need to have a conversation with you, so y'all know
Speaker 9: exactly what this is. You know what these references are?
Speaker 9: Stan starts saying that they from Bompton.
Speaker 6: It's over, it's a.
Speaker 2: Wrap, like, YO, no know, but how does Stephanie. But
Speaker 2: that's ill because you knew these things, right. But Stephanie's
Speaker 2: trying to say too that she doesn't know all of
Speaker 2: these right.
Speaker 10: So just in general, somebody cares to put your you
Speaker 10: have to take yourself down the track of people who
Speaker 10: care less and less.
Speaker 6: And we listen forget the moral stance up should we
Speaker 6: say should we not say it?
Speaker 5: Should we listen to it and not listen to it?
Speaker 10: Like could even say that right now, we're in canceled guards.
Speaker 5: We're in cancel culture.
Speaker 2: We're we live and cancel, cancel, cancel our can canceled,
Speaker 2: We cancel him.
Speaker 6: But this is how social media works. We're in cancel culture.
Speaker 6: And we're also in in beat you down now and
Speaker 6: ask questions later right there.
Speaker 10: And I don't want to be I want to find
Speaker 10: a way to be in a forgiveness culture and at
Speaker 10: least here and get smarter and think more.
Speaker 9: Well, I would just say with the kids, I mean,
Speaker 9: I wouldn't personally limit them to the clean version just
Speaker 9: because that's just gonna make them want the dirty shit
Speaker 9: even more. So My thing is just like, all right,
Speaker 9: we're gonna listen to the dirty ship, but let's listen
Speaker 9: to what explain and explain like what it's about. And
Speaker 9: when it just comes to saying niggas like Homie, you
Speaker 9: just can't say that ship like I understand this show.
Speaker 9: You might listen to the jams and you can even
Speaker 9: if you say it in your room. You might say
Speaker 9: it in your room, and I know, like it's unfair
Speaker 9: if it's a call and response.
Speaker 6: If he go to a show and.
Speaker 5: You know, my favorite part of a jay Z concert is.
Speaker 6: I've seen eighteen jay Z shows and literally when that
Speaker 6: ship starts to the widest part and just look at him,
Speaker 6: like I still do to this day, look like you're
Speaker 6: gonna say it.
Speaker 9: You're gonna say it, Homie, Yeah you got You just
Speaker 9: have to explain to him, like yo, dog, Like I
Speaker 9: know the rappers are saying it, and I know you
Speaker 9: might want to say you might even say it in
Speaker 9: your head. But if you say this outside, like in
Speaker 9: the world, like you could get sucked up, just their consequences,
Speaker 9: consequences that ship.
Speaker 5: Okay, well you're done.
Speaker 6: I think I did I answer the question, Stephen, was
Speaker 6: that that makes sense. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Actually, uh, Steph, well that's what I wanted my.
Speaker 10: But you answered it, and I want to because it
Speaker 10: speaks to exactly this cancel culture, this beat up and
Speaker 10: give an answer later. And for me, the goal in
Speaker 10: twenty nineteen should get out of cancel culture and figure
Speaker 10: out a way to say. I might disagree with you,
Speaker 10: but I hear you and I see you, because right
Speaker 10: now we're not giving one another.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do that stuff. You're gonna do that to arc,
Speaker 2: You're gonna listen here, I'm seeing what you got to say.
Speaker 6: What you doing.
Speaker 11: She hasn't been peen on.
Speaker 10: I mean some people like.
Speaker 6: No love.
Speaker 9: The thing the thing with cancel culture too. I mean,
Speaker 9: I agree with what you're saying, and I don't think.
Speaker 9: I don't think gonna get another shot.
Speaker 5: But we talked to the.
Speaker 9: Fact that the woman from the daycare building out yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: here a white lady that owns a daycare that is Alabama. Nah,
Speaker 9: she white, Well, she well, you know what. I saw
Speaker 9: footage of her in the in the in the McDonald's.
Speaker 9: She looked white. She owns she importantly, she owns nine businesses.
Speaker 2: Okay, what what's what is?
Speaker 10: What is R Kelly's new work? Like it was like,
Speaker 10: should R Kelly be around him? Like I don't know
Speaker 10: since ignition, I'm nothing.
Speaker 2: But they wanted to be total canceled like today and
Speaker 2: yesterday's work. It's not just about today, it's about erasure.
Speaker 9: Eracis well, yeah, the checks up coming. His last few
Speaker 9: albums have sold nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he made so much money they shouldn't even matter.
Speaker 6: Boy, I think I didn't listen till all nineteen minutes
Speaker 6: of that song I did. What did he admit that
Speaker 6: he sold his publishing? He admitted, so, he admitted he
Speaker 6: sold his publishing. That he uh, he admitted he's he
Speaker 6: can't read. He admitted he's.
Speaker 5: Illiterate, but he sold his publishing.
Speaker 9: That's what he said in the Valuable Acid because he
Speaker 9: probably had to. Like, man, y'all understand, bro, like for
Speaker 9: you to that's the terminal trial. Five years I understand that.
Speaker 9: Five years of goddamn Billable album.
Speaker 10: I mean to say, he can't afford his legal bills.
Speaker 10: There's no Trump super pack paying them.
Speaker 9: Likes weren't that good? I mean they were probably good.
Speaker 9: They were probably even if they were slow. You don't
Speaker 9: piss on cheering, so they've been good for you. But
Speaker 9: I'm just saying, you know, if you got to keep
Speaker 9: paying off parents and ship every damn quarters.
Speaker 6: And I know that, I know that publishing checks are
Speaker 6: really a three time a year thing, right, kind.
Speaker 11: Of can't imagine that he's got any money?
Speaker 6: No, well, definitely not because I initially thought, like, Okay,
Speaker 6: well when he gets arrested a million dollars this one
Speaker 6: hundred thousand, yeah, I believe I can. Yeah, he can
Speaker 6: come it off.
Speaker 9: And I couldn't believe that she you know, yeah, I
Speaker 9: think I think it was the picture I saw when
Speaker 9: she was with him, and the when he went to McDonald's.
Speaker 6: That's first thing he did. She owns the McDonalds owns it.
Speaker 6: She just went to him. He went to the rock
Speaker 6: and roll McDonald's. He got out, he went to he
Speaker 6: he went it is he went. He went to the
Speaker 6: rock and roll McDonald's like it, presumably to get a.
Speaker 11: Macrib and what's the rock and roll McDonald's.
Speaker 6: That's the biggest McDonald's in Chicago. It's like it's like
Speaker 6: Wily World, like Chicago. It's like a club in there
Speaker 6: at night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's like a city block.
Speaker 6: It's the biggest McDonald's in the south Side, No like downtown,
Speaker 6: like off of Michigan Avenue. A few times.
Speaker 10: I just don't understand how these women continue to be
Speaker 10: in his web.
Speaker 6: I think much like it's much like much like Trump,
Speaker 6: much like your Trump waitress. R. Kelly came and talked
Speaker 6: to him. He like he was. He came, he I
Speaker 6: saw you, and now you know it was That's what
Speaker 6: it was offered.
Speaker 10: Doesn't that take us right back to this cancel culture.
Speaker 10: Look at these people who are rising, whether it's a
Speaker 10: Trump having his following on R Kelly, see someone hear them.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't know if I need to hear Trump
Speaker 9: or Kelly, but the supporters, the people support those two.
Speaker 10: But all those people out.
Speaker 2: There that want to be seen in her, that are
Speaker 2: the ones that are falling victim to.
Speaker 6: Oh that's falling, okay, gotcha, one's getting finished.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so I don't know. I think he's I
Speaker 6: think he might actually see some time. I don't know.
Speaker 10: Did you watch fire Festival?
Speaker 12: I did that.
Speaker 6: It was great.
Speaker 9: Which which of the two? Because I watched the neat
Speaker 9: way better than yeah, the Netflix Netflix one.
Speaker 10: How did that happen?
Speaker 9: Yo?
Speaker 6: It was the was to me that is one of
Speaker 6: the most Yo.
Speaker 9: It's social media, and it's a story of just how
Speaker 9: in America you can sell any kind of bullshit as
Speaker 9: long as you package it right.
Speaker 10: Except all of the except for the main guy, all
Speaker 10: those people like how did they not say, like, this
Speaker 10: thing isn't gonna work. I'm out?
Speaker 6: I think it was what So my t was, yo,
Speaker 6: and the people who were early on I've been everything.
Speaker 9: It was kind of almost like to make a financial parallel,
Speaker 9: like the banking crisis, I think there are a lot
Speaker 9: of people or then the housing crisis. I think it
Speaker 9: was a lot of people that knew that ship wasn't
Speaker 9: gonna work, Like they saw what was coming, but they
Speaker 9: was like, Yo, this ship is gonna fall down, but
Speaker 9: if I can get what I can get out of
Speaker 9: it before, then fuck it.
Speaker 6: But they knew that ship wasn't gonna work. They saw
Speaker 6: hell Mary pass and just pray to god. Lynn Swan
Speaker 6: was at the end reference odel.
Speaker 5: With one hand.
Speaker 9: They had no because the thing is when Homemie, the
Speaker 9: key part to me was when your man was in
Speaker 9: the heavy not not the dick sucking water dude, you
Speaker 9: see it. I saw the planner dude when he was
Speaker 9: like most festivals take like a year, he was like
Speaker 9: most like if you know, they take a year, he said,
Speaker 9: when they told me I had six weeks to feed
Speaker 9: and do all this ship, dude, you knew this ship.
Speaker 6: It was goddamn g Think.
Speaker 11: About all those vendors there still never got paid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the lady did get up. They raised the uh
Speaker 6: for the main woman that lost like fifty thousand bucks,
Speaker 6: they uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 10: A go fundme go?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they go funded her.
Speaker 6: But why did we have to pay for that?
Speaker 12: Why didn't what's his name?
Speaker 6: Jerry?
Speaker 2: Fuck Jerry?
Speaker 12: Who still make it breaking in money?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Because because then so was coming from it became fu Jerry.
Speaker 9: That was like the new hashtag. It became fuck fuck Jerry.
Speaker 9: And I think I think they took a little hit.
Speaker 2: Said hey, I bring that John back though he said
Speaker 2: that day and after fifty.
Speaker 9: Cent gonna buy up all the tickets. Soty when he
Speaker 9: come out that's not fraud. That's not fraud.
Speaker 6: It was like.
Speaker 11: That was how does Jo Rul come out of it?
Speaker 10: Scared?
Speaker 6: Because because miss the nineties? I think, I'm sorry, he's
Speaker 6: not a nineties rapper, he's an arts rapper. I don't know.
Speaker 9: I think the documentary kind of painted him to be
Speaker 9: a kind of a victim of the whole situation too,
Speaker 9: where they just kind of used his his image to
Speaker 9: pull off this festival.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not that he's not.
Speaker 10: I agree, he's not, like.
Speaker 6: You know, completely blame free because he should have done
Speaker 6: his due diligence.
Speaker 10: But that's it, Like, I agree, like we over use
Speaker 10: this word victim. A victim is somebody who's walking down
Speaker 10: a street who gets attacked in a gang initiation. A
Speaker 10: victim is not somebody who closes his eyes and closes
Speaker 10: his ears and lifts his champagne. Last to that point,
Speaker 10: like jar U looks at himself like I was a
Speaker 10: victim here, No, come on.
Speaker 6: Now, I believe again. I love doing the Ray Croc
Speaker 6: versus Ronald McDonald thing. I think he was just Ronald
Speaker 6: McDonald really not knowing what Ray Croc was up to
Speaker 6: behind him. And you don't agree with.
Speaker 5: Me, he's there.
Speaker 12: No, I think he could have given some of his
Speaker 12: money to that woman that owned that bar.
Speaker 5: I don't think he has money.
Speaker 6: What you're saying he did two years in jail for
Speaker 6: tax evasions.
Speaker 10: Oh that's right.
Speaker 9: And I'm sure any money that he quote unquote earned,
Speaker 9: I'm sure got he probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: Should we haven't won the show one that?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: No, I love what's one?
Speaker 2: What were talking about either one of them? Like the stories?
Speaker 2: Good story?
Speaker 6: I like good story the nigga. Look, I was not
Speaker 6: a murdering fan listen, like I mean, I.
Speaker 9: Respect was about the time you guys signed Vanessa Carlton. Yeah,
Speaker 9: what happened with that Vita album?
Speaker 6: Like yeah, I just wasn't. I don't know. I wasn't
Speaker 6: a fan like that. I respect the movement. They had hits.
Speaker 6: I can't knocket, but I never thought none of that.
Speaker 6: She was hot.
Speaker 2: I didn't need to start this story anyway. Can we
Speaker 2: ask fun the m SMBC questions? I've been waiting. I
Speaker 2: just want to Yeah, okay, because we were talking about
Speaker 2: this earlier.
Speaker 5: Wanted to no no good.
Speaker 2: First of all, the aspect of having two shows on
Speaker 2: M S, N b C. Can we talk about that
Speaker 2: on the daily And how the fuck you do that
Speaker 2: with being somebody's wife and three people's mom?
Speaker 6: We never got to that was literally my first question,
Speaker 6: and we this is this has been a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 6: All I wanted to say was, in addition to having
Speaker 6: to deal with pundits all day, you still have to
Speaker 6: be a mom and a wife.
Speaker 5: How do you balance it? Like I could get to
Speaker 5: don Okay.
Speaker 10: Here's the thing, but anyone like and all of us,
Speaker 10: none of us were ever balanced, right, People who are
Speaker 10: grinders and overachievers have never like achieved something and.
Speaker 11: Been like, whoof you know? I'm all set and I
Speaker 11: think that, uh, these are blessings, right.
Speaker 10: I'm so lucky to have this moment, to have this time,
Speaker 10: to be a news, to have this opportunity, to be
Speaker 10: married to somebody who hasn't kicked me out, and to
Speaker 10: have three kids who are all standing and tying their
Speaker 10: shoes and all work it out.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 6: Okay, So, so if a certain unnamed network, sugar network
Speaker 6: starts with the F a certain unspeakable network comes to
Speaker 6: you with the bag No, but you can still be yourself.
Speaker 6: How could you do this? Wat But listen, listen, Okay,
Speaker 6: now correct me if I'm wrong. There is Murdoch's son's
Speaker 6: going to take over away because of their political because
Speaker 6: of their.
Speaker 11: Mur runs Fox News.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm I was hearing through the cheese line that
Speaker 6: Murdoch's sons weren't as extreme as you know, the Roger l.
Speaker 10: Sky were trying.
Speaker 5: They were trying to dilute it a little bit.
Speaker 10: And then when they were trying to buy Sky, what
Speaker 10: they were trying to do is not have the huge
Speaker 10: sexual harassment issues, right, they didn't want to have. They
Speaker 10: weren't changing anything inside the company, but they didn't want
Speaker 10: to have massive sexual harassment headlines.
Speaker 11: That was going to block that deal well.
Speaker 6: But Sky also said like, we would never associate ourselves
Speaker 6: with you because everyone thinks you're a joke. And it
Speaker 6: almost seemed like they said, well, we're what what do
Speaker 6: we have to do to have a real conversation.
Speaker 10: There's no reason for them to change what they make,
Speaker 10: and we're talking obviously about Fox News, right.
Speaker 11: Fox News has.
Speaker 10: No reason to change what they make because what they may,
Speaker 10: for me is extraordinarily successful for the people who watch it, right,
Speaker 10: there are the many people who watch it, you know,
Speaker 10: wear it like a badge of honor. Now they talk
Speaker 10: about other going to have to change to start to
Speaker 10: attract a younger demographic, because you know, they're the go
Speaker 10: to for that, you know, over the age of fifty,
Speaker 10: white male demographic, many of whom watch it.
Speaker 6: I just want to see a pair of calves.
Speaker 10: And more than that though, listen, I mean they they
Speaker 10: haven't skipped a beat in their success.
Speaker 11: Lots of people are watching Kennedy. Yeah, she's on them
Speaker 11: every morning, she is in the afternoon.
Speaker 6: MTV, KEM, Fox News.
Speaker 10: She's quite conservative, a little bit more of a libertarian
Speaker 10: than a than a conservative conservative.
Speaker 11: You know, she's a small government.
Speaker 6: I'd never watched Fox News unless I'm trapped in an airport.
Speaker 10: They're they're great at what they make. And now if
Speaker 10: you're asking me if they if they walked in and said,
Speaker 10: I'd like to give you a pile of money and
Speaker 10: you could still make your thing, I don't think it
Speaker 10: would be a I don't see that happening because what
Speaker 10: I have to say wouldn't sell to their audience. And
Speaker 10: now I don't necessarily have what you would call traditional,
Speaker 10: only progressive or only liberal views to me, like.
Speaker 5: Would you ask the right question?
Speaker 11: But that's it, Like I'm just myself.
Speaker 10: I lean into I want to live the best life
Speaker 10: for my family, and I want my neighbors and my
Speaker 10: community to live their best. But that might mean I
Speaker 10: don't always align myself, you know, like let me make
Speaker 10: it easier to me. The most brutal place isn't cable news.
Speaker 11: It's social media.
Speaker 10: Because social media you don't ever get to actually speak
Speaker 10: your mind and be yourself. It's like performance art and
Speaker 10: the moment you're categorized as something you have to fit
Speaker 10: into this or suddenly I didn't know you were this,
Speaker 10: I leave you now, and you know, there's a really
Speaker 10: beautiful I wish I knew it. Off the top of
Speaker 10: my had Dave Chappelle quote that he gave a couple
Speaker 10: months ago where he said, when did the world get
Speaker 10: this messed up? Where everyone in your house you had
Speaker 10: to agree with? You only talk to people who were
Speaker 10: on the same side of everything, And he said, disagreement,
Speaker 10: even with the people closest to you, is what makes
Speaker 10: us great. This is when we lose heart and humor
Speaker 10: and we stop getting smarter and so there are people
Speaker 10: who are super liberal who don't like what I have
Speaker 10: to say. Unfortunately for them, they got no other network
Speaker 10: to go to.
Speaker 2: You say that they don't have more. Nicole Wallace's on
Speaker 2: Fox because I just gotta say, I love the way
Speaker 2: she has evolved as a Republican in her way of
Speaker 2: thought now that she's a Democrat. Now I don't think so,
Speaker 2: but just in her sense, and I feel like that
Speaker 2: kind of voice needs to be more president.
Speaker 10: Most people don't label themselves I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 10: We're all the same. We're all just trying to get
Speaker 10: She did.
Speaker 2: Because she was a ripe. I mean that was her
Speaker 2: correct job.
Speaker 10: But for most people out there, we're all just trying
Speaker 10: to live our best lives, get to our highest self,
Speaker 10: and the more we can focus on that and less
Speaker 10: on politics. Listen, if you were a single mother in
Speaker 10: the South Side of Chicago, would you say I identify
Speaker 10: myself as actual?
Speaker 6: Why? No, I didn't know. I side myself is trying
Speaker 6: to make my God damn.
Speaker 11: Rent, but that's exactly it.
Speaker 6: The thing is, though, is that I'm fine with disagreements.
Speaker 6: If the person disagreeing with me, I respect them, not
Speaker 6: even I respect them if they come with actual.
Speaker 10: Fact, right Boom, you nailed it now.
Speaker 6: Okay from a musical standpoint, okay, a music fan could
Speaker 6: give me the prose of why slide in the Family Stones,
Speaker 6: there's a Ryte Coin on. It's such a monumentous, important
Speaker 6: moment and funk. But a person like me is kind
Speaker 6: of sad at that record because I feel guilty is
Speaker 6: celebrating the joy of someone who's.
Speaker 5: On heroin.
Speaker 6: I feel like it's watching a car accident. And I
Speaker 6: acknowledge it, you know, But I'm just saying that. I
Speaker 6: feel that both arguments are based in fact. However, a
Speaker 6: lot of the political arguments are just more about my
Speaker 6: side's winning. My side's winning, and I don't know, I
Speaker 6: just feel as though I believe I'm on the side
Speaker 6: of the truth. Like when I watch Rachel Maddow, I
Speaker 6: don't feel as though she's trying to, you know, put
Speaker 6: me on her gin. I don't believe he hasn't a
Speaker 6: actually that she's revealing.
Speaker 10: Show you feel like you're at a college court. And
Speaker 10: I didn't watch Rachel before I got into political news.
Speaker 10: I have to be perfectly honest. I don't have a
Speaker 10: great voting record in that it wasn't a priority in
Speaker 10: my life, and now that I see so many of
Speaker 10: our basic rights in question, I'm filled with guilt over
Speaker 10: that and even what I thought Rachel was. And then
Speaker 10: I started watching It's like watching a masterclass. I don't
Speaker 10: feel like there's a political agenda and where you're exactly right.
Speaker 6: Fox News will look at her and say elitist, homosexual,
Speaker 6: she's trying to social rights. But I feel that the basic,
Speaker 6: the basic gripe in not listening or even taking her
Speaker 6: words and filtering it because she's not this or she's
Speaker 6: not that. Well yeah, but you know, because then I
Speaker 6: just feel that most conservatives might feel that, well, you know,
Speaker 6: she can't be telling the truth because she's she's a gay.
Speaker 6: Then find and then that, and then then that goes into.
Speaker 10: A find a way to see those people and hear
Speaker 10: those people because people gay. Cable news ratings are up,
Speaker 10: But we have to break through the stereotype so people
Speaker 10: can actually hear you. And we have to stop attacking
Speaker 10: the president about his weight or his hair or is
Speaker 10: it like we don't have to go with all that
Speaker 10: he gives us. Correct, but I'm sing, we don't need
Speaker 10: to jump to conclusions about what we believe he's guilty
Speaker 10: of before we know it, because guess what, right now,
Speaker 10: at this moment, I'm sure he's given us something. Right,
Speaker 10: he's going to be somebody who's told I want to
Speaker 10: say the Washington Post has now added it to eight
Speaker 10: thousand lies. We can stick to covering those eight thousand lies.
Speaker 10: And we have to resist the temptation and of overkilled
Speaker 10: because guess what, we're all guilty of it. Whenever I
Speaker 10: get whenever Fox News, you know, at primetime, will do
Speaker 10: a segment at night mocking me.
Speaker 6: They do that.
Speaker 5: I don't watch Fox News.
Speaker 10: Here's the thing, when they do it, there's usually a
Speaker 10: little bit of fact in there. I got a little
Speaker 10: lazy that day I got over my skis. It was
Speaker 10: usually on a Thursday or a Friday because I didn't
Speaker 10: do my homework and I'm tired. So we are challenged
Speaker 10: right now. We must stick stick to the facts because
Speaker 10: the facts are on our side. But you make an
Speaker 10: amazing point around freedom of speech in that we support
Speaker 10: freedom of speech, but where we're conflicted is if people
Speaker 10: are just spewing propaganda and lies.
Speaker 11: That's where we don't want them to.
Speaker 9: But then it's but that that's but that's my next
Speaker 9: kind of thing, because you say, like we should hear
Speaker 9: these people.
Speaker 6: I really think it's some people we just don't need
Speaker 6: to hear if they're talking that bullshit like you know
Speaker 6: me Tommy old time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like that, like when I saw like you
Speaker 2: don't give her any air?
Speaker 6: Ye don't you know what?
Speaker 2: We don't talk about her.
Speaker 10: It exists because we're talking about her. So you know what,
Speaker 10: let's just put that.
Speaker 6: We don't need to hear.
Speaker 10: Huh, what do you think?
Speaker 12: I want to know your opinion on Howard Schultz.
Speaker 10: I think he's an extraordinary businessman. I think, listen, he's
Speaker 10: an unbelievable success story. I think that coming off the
Speaker 10: last election and looking at at at politics historically, we
Speaker 10: have a two party system, and the two party system
Speaker 10: might stink, it might be unfair, but that's what we got.
Speaker 10: Mike Bloomberg has spent millions of dollars researching what it
Speaker 10: would look like to run as an independent. He's done
Speaker 10: the math and he goes it doesn't work. He didn't
Speaker 10: run last time because he knew that running was only
Speaker 10: going to help President Trump win again. The concern for
Speaker 10: Howard Schaltz, if he goes to run as an independent,
Speaker 10: is only going to advance President Trump. And I think
Speaker 10: it takes a whole lot of hootspot or brazenness to
Speaker 10: think that you can win outside the system. System stinks,
Speaker 10: but unfortunately you got to figure out how to win
Speaker 10: in the system.
Speaker 5: Wait, has he been forgiven outside of Starbucks?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah he did. Common did some commercials and the.
Speaker 6: Bucks. You wouldn't take the call we can build.
Speaker 9: That's Microsoft, Microsoft, It's the same thing. It's Common, the
Speaker 9: same guy in every part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, missed that Zara joke. Though that was funny.
Speaker 6: You missed it. You have to wait for Okay, it's
Speaker 6: too true.
Speaker 2: Who makes you laugh at MSNBC? That's my question I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna tell you who makes me laugh. It's a
Speaker 10: comedian right now? Do you guys know who Sebastian Menescalco is. Yes,
Speaker 10: I love you don't think he's funny?
Speaker 6: No, I don't. I'm not him.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so, I mean I like dirty comedians too, But
Speaker 10: to be a comedian and not go after people and
Speaker 10: not be dirty, that takes the talent. And I saw
Speaker 10: this guy for the first time like nine months ago,
Speaker 10: Jerry Seinfeld had a night with sort of all of
Speaker 10: his favorite comedians.
Speaker 11: I urge you look him up on YouTube.
Speaker 10: I think he is something else. But on MS, I
Speaker 10: got to tell you I really love working there, and
Speaker 10: I really love the people I work with. They work
Speaker 10: so hard, they are so smart. There's great to be around.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering if you guys ever really because
Speaker 2: in our minds we wait exactly.
Speaker 10: Where she sent to everybody drinks for Christmas. But there
Speaker 10: are moments where I'm going, I can't believe Andrew Mitchell
Speaker 10: knows me right, Like I can't believe that, And just within.
Speaker 6: All where he walks by Andrew.
Speaker 10: Mitchell whenever she's decided to me, and was like, I
Speaker 10: can't believe it, right, I mean across the board right
Speaker 10: and on the Savannah got three. I mean like I
Speaker 10: was in England for the Royal wedding and I'm walking
Speaker 10: down the street with Savannah and Hodah and people are
Speaker 10: losing their minds when they see Hodah. And the beautiful
Speaker 10: thing about that is she brings them joy.
Speaker 2: She's always smiling.
Speaker 11: She brings them joy, and.
Speaker 10: That is something like, yes, you're bringing people the news
Speaker 10: and really important stories. But you have a relationship with
Speaker 10: people at home, I mean my partner, Ali Belchi. I
Speaker 10: love them, Katie Sure, I love them all, Joe and me.
Speaker 2: How did you come to have two shows? Or is
Speaker 2: it just two hours? Do I say two hours?
Speaker 10: No, I have two shows. There came. I came to
Speaker 10: NBC and I was anchoring up my show on MSNBC,
Speaker 10: and I used to anchor the Today Show on Saturdays.
Speaker 10: But when you're a mom and you have three kids,
Speaker 10: you know, six day work week is something's got to get.
Speaker 6: I was going to say that I still feel as
Speaker 6: though there's rooms for like, there's more room at the
Speaker 6: top for you, not to jinx anything.
Speaker 5: But what is higher?
Speaker 6: Is the Today Show a better lateral move or for me?
Speaker 10: I can just say whether it's at NBC or anywhere,
Speaker 10: But is that how long term? I don't have dreams
Speaker 10: or long term?
Speaker 6: Wow? Talk about that's interesting in the moment.
Speaker 10: So I used to it, and it was, and all
Speaker 10: it did was give me stress and anxiety, and more
Speaker 10: than that, it put me in terrible positions that I
Speaker 10: would have bosses, that I would either have terrible bosses
Speaker 10: that treated me badly or a bad job with a
Speaker 10: great boss, and I'd say like, well, this is awful,
Speaker 10: but I just have to I just have to hang
Speaker 10: tight and then in a year it's all going to
Speaker 10: be better. And if you're living your life like business,
Speaker 10: but if you're living your life, if you're in a
Speaker 10: relationship or a family and a job like this blows
Speaker 10: so badly right now, but in a year it will
Speaker 10: be great.
Speaker 6: My little never just that.
Speaker 10: Just then the goalpost. Just keep moving and the like,
Speaker 10: there's only three things. You have no control of the weather,
Speaker 10: your health, and time and giving your time to something
Speaker 10: that you're like, no job do you love all the time?
Speaker 11: Working is a grind. Waking up early as a grind.
Speaker 11: But you've got to be doing something that.
Speaker 10: The people you like, or you're getting better or parts
Speaker 10: of it are exciting. And if it's not, that doesn't work.
Speaker 10: But as far as like what's my ultimate I didn't
Speaker 10: even eight years ago. I didn't know I was going
Speaker 10: to be in television. Two years ago, I had no
Speaker 10: idea I'd be covering politics. And here I am, you know,
Speaker 10: going to bed and waking up with Trump tweets. So
Speaker 10: if we can say I'm gonna try to go to
Speaker 10: bed happier than I was when I woke up, Like,
Speaker 10: that's it for me.
Speaker 6: Amen? Amen, that's been addiction right there?
Speaker 5: Is it like being a doctor?
Speaker 6: Like right now, if something catastrophic happens, this episode's coming
Speaker 6: on way later. So you know, if something catastrophic happens
Speaker 6: in the world of politics or you know, development, is
Speaker 6: it you have to rush to stop what you're doing
Speaker 6: In me yes.
Speaker 10: Okay, but oh absolutely right. And people are trying to
Speaker 10: gain their vacations and this and that. But I'm forty
Speaker 10: three years old and I have three kids, and in
Speaker 10: any job that you ever have, in that moment, either
Speaker 10: that massive deal at work or that massive show or
Speaker 10: the massive news thing, it feels like everything and then
Speaker 10: six months later you can't even remember that day.
Speaker 11: That is so true, like you can't.
Speaker 5: So it has living in this this time that we're
Speaker 5: in right now sort of ruined.
Speaker 10: No, but Donald Trump doesn't get to take my joy.
Speaker 10: He doesn't get to take my personal life or my family.
Speaker 10: And when I'm there, I'm going to give it one
Speaker 10: hundred percent. And if I can be there at breaking news,
Speaker 10: I will be. But if I can't.
Speaker 6: But they called you sometimes and you're like way in
Speaker 6: Jersey somewhere, They're like, uh, let's get Hollie.
Speaker 10: Sure, yes, these things happen, but I can't live my
Speaker 10: life like, oh my god, I wasn't there and they
Speaker 10: picked you know. You know there's this idea in TV
Speaker 10: like she was on maternity leave and when she was out,
Speaker 10: the girl who filled in was the best, and then
Speaker 10: her career was well.
Speaker 6: No, no, from a mortal standpoint, I just remeant from
Speaker 6: the logistics when breaking new do they send out like
Speaker 6: a massive text to see which one of the.
Speaker 10: Takes you already know where you are. Every every Friday,
Speaker 10: you have to tell them here's where I am this weekend.
Speaker 6: Wait, so can I ask is well?
Speaker 11: I was going to ask, you're planning and having a
Speaker 11: rendezvous with me?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, I just mean, like, well, in the case
Speaker 6: of Brian, who always seems to be there in suit
Speaker 6: and like when something happens or breaks, is he like
Speaker 6: in a holding area just waiting for something.
Speaker 10: So when there is like a big event or like
Speaker 10: a I mean that's Brian's jam, Like that's what Brian does.
Speaker 11: I mean listen, if he's away, he doesn't do it.
Speaker 6: But if like a massive but he always seems to
Speaker 6: be there when it's breaking news time.
Speaker 2: It's the time.
Speaker 5: Don't you ever go home? But his eleven o'clock.
Speaker 10: But he's our breaking news person, so you know, if
Speaker 10: there's an awful thing, God forbid of shooting, you know
Speaker 10: someone's gonna be there taking us through it. And then
Speaker 10: probably at the top of the hour once Brian gets there.
Speaker 10: Brian's the guy who's gonna take you through For that.
Speaker 6: I thought he had to come in in like twelve
Speaker 6: and afternoon just wait only he probably.
Speaker 2: Has a fat contract to be that breaking news guy.
Speaker 2: Like that was a big deal for him to have
Speaker 2: him in the first place. Oh yeah, I'm gonna call
Speaker 2: you because I'm paying you all these guys.
Speaker 6: Well, no, no, I wanted to know if he literally
Speaker 6: just chills there twelve hours a day waiting for something
Speaker 6: to break and it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Okay, well I'm gonna go home now.
Speaker 2: I was surprised to see you doing the last day
Speaker 2: of the Union. I was like, she gotta get up
Speaker 2: in the morning, and is she gonna wait for us?
Speaker 5: Do you sleep at the office Sometimes No, But I have.
Speaker 10: To tell you, like, there's some days where I'm like,
Speaker 10: because sometimes I do Brian Williams show at night, which
Speaker 10: is at eleven, and if I did have a shower
Speaker 10: in my off it would be better on those nights,
Speaker 10: because it's true that you know this from working late.
Speaker 11: The thing is you know this if you work late,
Speaker 11: you get home.
Speaker 10: Then you open your door, then you open the refrigerator,
Speaker 10: then you check the mail, then you turn the TV on,
Speaker 10: and it's two in the morning, as opposed to if
Speaker 10: you did TV at eleven o'clock at night, walked in
Speaker 10: your office, went to sleep, you might be asleep at
Speaker 10: twelve oh five, and I might be up early for work.
Speaker 11: But on nights like State of the Union, come on now.
Speaker 10: This is our super Bowl.
Speaker 6: This is what we do it for.
Speaker 10: Is you can't stay up late one night and wake
Speaker 10: up early one day. Then Laverne and Shirley called, you
Speaker 10: should be working at the bottle factory.
Speaker 13: I have a question, yes, so he was asking, I
Speaker 13: think ten minutes ago. Essentially, is uh, what's the what
Speaker 13: could be bigger or whatever? Or what would you want
Speaker 13: next or more than what you have now career wise,
Speaker 13: I guess, or show wise or whatever, And wouldn't it
Speaker 13: seems like you well, I guess my question is wouldn't
Speaker 13: the next step be to get into politics rather than
Speaker 13: you know too?
Speaker 10: I would never want to run for office. I think
Speaker 10: it's hard enough on my family that I chose to
Speaker 10: have a public life in the way that I do.
Speaker 10: My kids didn't choose this. I chose it. And what
Speaker 10: people go through who are running office, running for office
Speaker 10: is so brutal that I just wouldn't And.
Speaker 13: I hypothetically all that aside, like where do you have
Speaker 13: a where do you have a louder voice or more
Speaker 13: chance to affect change?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's pretty good where I am right now.
Speaker 10: What I wish we could do, and I don't see
Speaker 10: it done enough, is actually cover thorny cultural issues because
Speaker 10: what I'm afraid of right now is we're not talking
Speaker 10: about a lot of hard topics.
Speaker 2: Well, yeahs won't repeat, especially the cable news. It's like
Speaker 2: a fifteen minute.
Speaker 11: But it's also arrow what we cover.
Speaker 10: But there's lots of topics that because we're accusing one
Speaker 10: another of being ignorant, or being closed minded, or being stupid,
Speaker 10: instead of continuing the conversation, we're getting silent. Me too
Speaker 10: is a really good example. So for me, covering me
Speaker 10: too is very complicated. I don't think it's black and white.
Speaker 10: And when you try, yes, but when you try to
Speaker 10: dig into that, you get shut down. And what it
Speaker 10: does is people who aren't necessarily stakeholders in that, like me,
Speaker 10: I find myself retreating and saying, you know what, I'm
Speaker 10: just not going to.
Speaker 11: And so like a year of a year.
Speaker 10: Ago, I was doing actually patau but in La the
Speaker 10: conference where Amir and I met, and I was doing
Speaker 10: a town hall about me too, and I tried to
Speaker 10: bring up the idea of you know, there's a spectrum
Speaker 10: and can we talk about forgiveness at all?
Speaker 2: And and.
Speaker 10: It was an know and one woman stood up and
Speaker 10: she said, absolutely not. I never want for all of
Speaker 10: the women in the world who have ever suffered from this,
Speaker 10: for this, I never want to talk about. I never
Speaker 10: want to hear from those guys. And so I said, okay,
Speaker 10: And another woman stood up and said, corporate America was
Speaker 10: built by a white supremacist patriarchy and until that's blown up,
Speaker 10: this conversation is moot. And I'm not saying that that
Speaker 10: woman is wrong, but what I am saying is that
Speaker 10: point is also what she's saying is somewhat pointless. Because
Speaker 10: right now, corporate America is run by white guys, more
Speaker 10: guys named John and David than women total. And don't
Speaker 10: get me started on African Americans. So unless you can
Speaker 10: find a way to have a constructive conversation, they're going
Speaker 10: to go uh huh uh huh, and they're going to
Speaker 10: walk out the room.
Speaker 6: But I think before we bring up forgiveness, which is
Speaker 6: a point that I see, we never talk about justice absolutely,
Speaker 6: and you know, and that's sort of like, Okay, I
Speaker 6: went months ago when I went to the oscars.
Speaker 10: For for people who have committed the most offensive of assaults.
Speaker 10: I mean forgiveness in terms of just cultural forgiveness. We're
Speaker 10: getting more mature. We're seeing people in a different.
Speaker 9: Way saying you're not allowed to grow, like you're not
Speaker 9: allowed to like we talk about the whole councel culture
Speaker 9: and everything. I mean, the thing about it is just
Speaker 9: that if you're if you see people, if you commit
Speaker 9: any kind of transgression or whatever, and you see that
Speaker 9: you're never gonna be forgiven, then you have no impetus
Speaker 9: to change, Like you know what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 9: see it's like, well, you know what, y'all ain't gonna
Speaker 9: fulp me no way, So fuck it. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 9: doing whatever the fuck I'm doing. Like there's no there's
Speaker 9: you don't ever give that point in that person for.
Speaker 6: A person like Russell Simmons, whom I've definitely seen the
Speaker 6: evolution of deaf jam eighties Russell Simmons versus yoga Russell,
Speaker 6: Yoga Russell.
Speaker 14: And why he hadn't but go ahead, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 14: the world has changed from the eighties and the nineties
Speaker 14: and the early.
Speaker 2: And it's a weird thing that we have to learn.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 2: We were talking about this on our group text because
Speaker 2: we were I mean, I hate to bring it up,
Speaker 2: but we were talking about a controversial story where a
Speaker 2: guy is being accused of being inappropriate with women, as
Speaker 2: in like going on a date and just pulling his
Speaker 2: penis out right, and so talking about the levels of okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the levels of how should this guy be, how should
Speaker 2: he be taking care of even though this may have
Speaker 2: happened twenty years ago, even though you could have walked away,
Speaker 2: even though you could have laughed and been like I'm out,
Speaker 2: Like now women are like I'm calling for justice. This
Speaker 2: is best.
Speaker 6: What does that look like?
Speaker 2: What is that just like right, yeah, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: you could have just along the way.
Speaker 10: I mean, I remember when a zis I'm sorry when
Speaker 10: his story came out, and the woman I'm like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 10: that sounds like a bad hookup. And I'm not saying
Speaker 10: she didn't have a bad experience. But last I checked
Speaker 10: the premise of Sex in the City, which was I
Speaker 10: don't know, the most successful show of its time was
Speaker 10: kind of based on four girls hooking up with rich
Speaker 10: guys in New York City.
Speaker 2: Ooh, it's I'm broken.
Speaker 10: And so it's just a complicated thing, and you want
Speaker 10: to show sympathy and empathy for anyone who feels wronged,
Speaker 10: but you also have to realize, especially sexual experiences, something
Speaker 10: could happen between the two of us, and when we
Speaker 10: walk away, what you thought happened to what I thought
Speaker 10: happened are two different day and so no one has
Speaker 10: clearly articulated with the new rules of engagement and the
Speaker 10: rules of the road.
Speaker 2: Aar.
Speaker 10: And when I say intimacy, I don't mean sex, but intimacy,
Speaker 10: especially among colleagues, is at least for me, what has
Speaker 10: helped me like be successful in my career. Emir and
Speaker 10: I are friends. Right, we're both colleagues at MSNBC or
Speaker 10: at NBC, but we've never worked together. But when I
Speaker 10: met him, I connected with him, and I cared him.
Speaker 10: I cared about him as a person.
Speaker 6: You didn't even know his name, you know what.
Speaker 2: I was dragging about it, and you hugged him. Which
Speaker 2: now it's like, I get worried about hugging people.
Speaker 10: But if we get to a place.
Speaker 6: Where we can't even show compassion or show any kind of.
Speaker 10: Is I mean, if you worked in the music industry,
Speaker 10: if you worked an advert in a creative industry, you
Speaker 10: have to care about people.
Speaker 9: Because you're working with these motherfuckers all the time. Like
Speaker 9: it's sometimes you might see these people more than you
Speaker 9: see your damn family, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Wild we establish And I think that's the that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing about right now in this time with all
Speaker 2: these raised conversations and all of these conversies meet too,
Speaker 2: conversations like we're re establishing ourselves and the rules, and
Speaker 2: we're also acknowledging of what we didn't know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think you have to give people the
Speaker 9: space for that, like, because it's like even with the
Speaker 9: whole with the whole black face thing, like when they
Speaker 9: going through these white college yearbooks and finding all.
Speaker 6: These white people doing shit.
Speaker 9: It's like, dude, I mean again, for me, it's different
Speaker 9: as a Southerner because I went to these schools. I
Speaker 9: knew all them good old boys, like they was listening
Speaker 9: to Wu Tang, but they had god damn Confederate flags
Speaker 9: on they trust, but they should.
Speaker 2: Be ched in some form of fashion, because not for nothing,
Speaker 2: that's that's the eighties, Not for nothing. Open a book, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm tired of white people having excuses for not knowing
Speaker 2: Black culture. That's excuses. I'm like, this is a part
Speaker 2: of a black face was a part of American.
Speaker 9: Culture, but it wasn't. I mean, but you gotta think though,
Speaker 9: it's a thing like a society. To me, society is
Speaker 9: nothing more than just a contract. Right, It's just a contract,
Speaker 9: and like it's an ever evolving, ever renegotiatable contract. So
Speaker 9: one day it's like, Okay, this was cool, but then
Speaker 9: all of a sudden you wake up and it's like, no,
Speaker 9: this ain't cool no more.
Speaker 2: I just know that people don't be offending Jewish people
Speaker 2: as much like they know the rules. People know the
Speaker 2: rules about certain cultures, they will not what but this
Speaker 2: happens much faster for other cultures. For us, we got
Speaker 2: to be understanding to understand it. They don't know and
Speaker 2: blah blah blahlah blah.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying we understand. They don't want They don't
Speaker 6: want to know.
Speaker 2: People don't want it.
Speaker 10: There are tons of things that I'm not sure why
Speaker 10: you shouldn't do it, and this is an opportunity to
Speaker 10: explain and find out why.
Speaker 6: I've had to explain to many people about minstrelsy and
Speaker 6: and that sort of and people that just didn't know
Speaker 6: about the history.
Speaker 11: They knew that it was wrong, but they didn't know why.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I feel like, you know, with some fight
Speaker 2: white folks, they can know why, but they're like, well
Speaker 2: that's that's no big deal to me, So I almost
Speaker 2: a big deal. I'm gonna just do it.
Speaker 10: But that's because I think a lot of white people,
Speaker 10: when you say white privilege, they're like, what do you
Speaker 10: mean white privilege? I don't have it so easy because
Speaker 10: we take for granted what we don't realize because they're saying,
Speaker 10: how could you say because the idea of white privilege like,
Speaker 10: I don't have a privileged life. I'm struggling. But when
Speaker 10: you actually put it into content.
Speaker 2: Cab, just stand outside real it, right.
Speaker 10: I was. I was recently, I was upstate skiing and
Speaker 10: there was a woman there talking and she goes, you know,
Speaker 10: people talk about white privilege all the time. I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't think it exists. And I said, have you
Speaker 10: looked at this mountain? Do you see any black people.
Speaker 6: That ain't serving you?
Speaker 2: You don't even know when we're missing.
Speaker 10: But because the idea, because for some people they think
Speaker 10: that they they conflate white privilege with white supremacy, and
Speaker 10: they're not the same thing. They're not, but those two
Speaker 10: things get conflated.
Speaker 9: Interesting, it's like to say white privilege is like to
Speaker 9: say it's not saying that it's easy to be white.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that just because you're white, you're gonna
Speaker 9: have an easy life.
Speaker 6: That's not you. Yeah, right, everybody but.
Speaker 2: Easier, but you ain't gonna know it, so it's still
Speaker 2: gonna feel hard.
Speaker 9: But if you had to walk a day in my ship,
Speaker 9: you would jump off a fucking bridge. You ever see
Speaker 9: the Michael, Oh, yeah, that's the great I watched that
Speaker 9: ship one hundred times.
Speaker 6: So Todd Bridges a nine year old time bridge. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's talking to Michael Landon. He said, he asked some question.
Speaker 11: From from from Little House on.
Speaker 6: Different yet he was.
Speaker 5: Like nine years old.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he asked Michael Landon, would you rather be what
Speaker 6: was it?
Speaker 9: Would you rather be black and live live to one
Speaker 9: hundred or be white and diet fifty?
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, Michael Landon the panning
Speaker 6: and the John Williams jaws like music and Michael Landon's
Speaker 6: dependsive look of pain on his face and the look
Speaker 6: of defeat on his face when he realizes, yeah, I'd
Speaker 6: still be I'd rather die at fifty and white, like
Speaker 6: just walk away. And for the record, Michael Landon died
Speaker 6: at the age of fifty four. Wow.
Speaker 2: And what was the rest of the joke? Who lived
Speaker 2: to be well?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, he just walked away.
Speaker 6: Basically, Michael Landon was basically saying, yes, I'd rather I'd
Speaker 6: still be white. Yeah, just like when Chris Rock said
Speaker 6: none of you would trade places with me?
Speaker 13: And I'm rich right, I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 13: defend anything unpopular right now.
Speaker 15: But the show is Little House on the Prairie, which
Speaker 15: is based in the Yes, seemed to be the lone
Speaker 15: liberal on the Prairie.
Speaker 6: You always did the right thing, though, Yeah, I have
Speaker 6: a question.
Speaker 9: Yes, So I hinted that the fact that I went
Speaker 9: to school for working in the news, working in television
Speaker 9: news earlier. What's what made me switch directions? Happened in
Speaker 9: my senior year, A little event that you might have
Speaker 9: heard heard of nine to eleven.
Speaker 6: That morning.
Speaker 9: You know, I I had to work first, go to
Speaker 9: work first, and then I had to go to class
Speaker 9: Ball State University in Muntsy, Indiana, and and basically like
Speaker 9: the whole department, like we just all came together and
Speaker 9: it was it was it was the class was the
Speaker 9: coverage of the news. And I'm just watching all this stuff,
Speaker 9: and I'm realizing, like if I go into this for
Speaker 9: the you know, as a career. You know, I've seen
Speaker 9: the Bud Dwyer suicide video in class. You know they
Speaker 9: damn yeah, they showed it in class. What Philly, Yeah,
Speaker 9: Bud Dwire he was he was like some he was
Speaker 9: caught up in some scheme.
Speaker 6: He was a corrupt UH councilman who strategically called a
Speaker 6: press conference in a in a Philadelphia judicial room. But
Speaker 6: he did it in from the judges position where there's
Speaker 6: like a protective barrier and then he pulls out a
Speaker 6: gun and then he uh killed himself live on television.
Speaker 5: We all saw it.
Speaker 9: So it was you know, your journalism ethics classes and all,
Speaker 9: and you know, yeah, I mean, because if I'm working
Speaker 9: in news, I'm gonna so you know, with watching nine
Speaker 9: to eleven happen, and you know, I'm realizing that I
Speaker 9: don't have time to process this as a human being.
Speaker 9: I have to get ready to get something on air.
Speaker 9: You know, this is you know, have you ever had
Speaker 9: a situation where you were had your emotions where your
Speaker 9: emotions were kind of running really high and you weren't sure.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, first of all, it would be odd
Speaker 10: to find a day when I don't cry a little
Speaker 10: bit on TV, because I definitely do. I did actually
Speaker 10: last summer, and it wasn't a great night for me
Speaker 10: when we were in McCallen, Texas at the border. Was
Speaker 10: sort of when there was first news coverage of what
Speaker 10: was going on with child separation. And it's very rare
Speaker 10: for Rachel Maddout to cry. And I was going on
Speaker 10: right after Rachel and it was in the last moments
Speaker 10: of her shows when she found out that there were
Speaker 10: what's called tender age detention centers for children who were
Speaker 10: separated who were under the age of three, and Rachel
Speaker 10: was on talk about it, and she started crying on air.
Speaker 10: And then when Rachel handed off to me, I was
Speaker 10: really crying on air, and I sort of looked at
Speaker 10: the camera because Evanka first started Ivanka Trump and first
Speaker 10: Lady Milania Trump always say, you know, Milania's whole thing is,
Speaker 10: you know, she's a devoted mother, And Evanka always says,
Speaker 10: I stand for the advancement of women and girls. And
Speaker 10: the thing is, when you have the privilege of saying
Speaker 10: I stand for something, that means you stood in the
Speaker 10: face of adversity.
Speaker 11: You stood up for something.
Speaker 10: And so I was so devastated by this idea of
Speaker 10: babies being taken from their mothers. Really you almost couldn't
Speaker 10: even understand what I was saying. I was crying so
Speaker 10: hard on air, and some people after were like, oh,
Speaker 10: that was real emotion and that was raw and that
Speaker 10: was great, but it really wasn't. And after the president
Speaker 10: of NBC's name is Andy Lack, who I worked for,
Speaker 10: it at Bloomberg too, gave me graded and he said,
Speaker 10: you can be real and you can be emotional on television,
Speaker 10: but it is your job to deliver this information. And
Speaker 10: the example he gave, he said, if someone died and
Speaker 10: and two of us performed eulogies the same script and
Speaker 10: I did it hyperventilating and crying with no control of
Speaker 10: my emotions, you'd walk away and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 10: Stephanie was devastated and she was crushed. Can if you
Speaker 10: gave the same eulogy, the same words, but you were controlled,
Speaker 10: You could be emotional but controlled and knew that it
Speaker 10: was your job to deliver that message. People would forever
Speaker 10: remember that message. So I think, to me, as a
Speaker 10: viewer or somebody who's in it, actually the best you
Speaker 10: can be is your real self. But you're not your
Speaker 10: real self sitting on a couch crying and screaming and wailing.
Speaker 10: You've got to be sort of the boss of the
Speaker 10: table and saying I'm here to deliver this to you
Speaker 10: in the best way I can. But something I think,
Speaker 10: and cable news has given us the opportunity to do it.
Speaker 10: Unlike what sort of traditional network news is a we
Speaker 10: have more time, but b it's edgier and we can
Speaker 10: be ourselves, and I don't mean like our opinionatedselves, but
Speaker 10: our real selves. And I can see a difference of
Speaker 10: people who sort of grew up, you know, in a
Speaker 10: very traditional journalistic kind of network news place where like
Speaker 10: never give yourself, never give.
Speaker 11: Emotion, I would not have I feel like that.
Speaker 10: I would not have gone into this business if I
Speaker 10: couldn't be my First of all, I went into it
Speaker 10: too late. I was thirty six years old, Like it
Speaker 10: was too late for me to be anything but me.
Speaker 10: And I think people want that people they don't want
Speaker 10: you to just give it. Here is the information. You
Speaker 10: could get the information from the internet. You can try
Speaker 10: to give it in the best way you can.
Speaker 2: We had to do radio on that day. It was
Speaker 2: hard to nine to eleven on radio at six pm
Speaker 2: that night.
Speaker 10: Not tasy, but it was.
Speaker 2: But you also feel like you're doing a service too
Speaker 2: for your friends because you're giving them the information that
Speaker 2: they need. And so the more you get in your
Speaker 2: head about that and getting your folksed to information, unless
Speaker 2: you get it into the feelings part.
Speaker 10: Covering shootings is horrible. Covering Parkland is horrible. Covering the
Speaker 10: Remember that shooting in Texas last year. That was in
Speaker 10: a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, a tiny little Baptist church,
Speaker 10: and a guy walked in and he shot everybody, you know,
Speaker 10: and they were facing the altar, so he shot him, No,
Speaker 10: shot him from behind. Those are horrible to cover.
Speaker 6: I couldn't do it. So I had to like, literally, really,
Speaker 6: do you really? Like it was my senior year, like
Speaker 6: like I had to.
Speaker 9: I had to finish out the major, but like nine
Speaker 9: eleven's like, I don't think I can do this, like
Speaker 9: because I just needed to process what had just happened,
Speaker 9: you know, like there was no way that like I
Speaker 9: wasn't trying to be an on air person, you know,
Speaker 9: I was either going to be behind behind the camera
Speaker 9: or an editing room somewhere. Editing room definitely would have
Speaker 9: been a problem because you getting all the unedited footage,
Speaker 9: You're seeing everything that's not going to you know, not
Speaker 9: going to make it the air. So I just, you know,
Speaker 9: I had to do some serious soul search and like
Speaker 9: I can't do this, So.
Speaker 6: Yeah, here you are. I think things have changed. I'm
Speaker 6: not doing like you know what I get.
Speaker 10: But I also even think the shows that I love
Speaker 10: to watch or listen to. I don't think have traditional roles.
Speaker 10: I don't think it's like you're the anchor, you're the
Speaker 10: I mean they're more Everybody involved is putting all the
Speaker 10: best ingredients they can think of in the pot, and
Speaker 10: hopefully everyone will rise with it. Right Like I think
Speaker 10: people were more famous, Like I think people on television
Speaker 10: ten years ago were more famous now. I think great
Speaker 10: content makes people famous because there used to only be
Speaker 10: a few platforms. Right Like when we were growing up,
Speaker 10: you could watch the Today Show, you could watch Good
Speaker 10: Morning America. You know what I mean? That was it.
Speaker 10: Now there are so many outlets. I think great things
Speaker 10: find their way overwhelming. Who is your professor?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 6: Yeah, just passed away last month factor January. Fun fact,
Speaker 6: when that Bud Dwier thing happened. Uh, that was the
Speaker 6: day that Prince Premier kiss on parad So. I literally
Speaker 6: whenever I hear that intro, I always think of Bud Dwire.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry like that that yeah, that that that image
Speaker 6: was kind of.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it was.
Speaker 6: It happened coincidentally at the same time, like my parents,
Speaker 6: my parents and family were screaming, do not google Bud Dwyer.
Speaker 5: Don't do that to yourself. I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker 2: You shoul look up. You should have that Bible that
Speaker 2: I'm wondering.
Speaker 6: If it is on YouTube it is. Okay, So look, Stephanie,
Speaker 6: we're about to wrap up right now because I know
Speaker 6: you have to get up at zero clock in the morning.
Speaker 6: So technically only got one question out, so I don't
Speaker 6: even get to where did you where were you born?
Speaker 6: And all your child or whatever? Jersey, Well, yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean I asked, but anywaysy am Yeah.
Speaker 5: So my second question, what was the first record you
Speaker 5: ever purchased?
Speaker 10: The first record I can remember so vividly as a child. No, no,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna tell you so. The first record I can
Speaker 10: like when I close my eyes is the double soundtrack
Speaker 10: from Greece, the movie Wow. Being a little girl staring
Speaker 10: at the green record with all of the photographs.
Speaker 2: What part one? Right, I'll just make sure Grease won.
Speaker 10: Yeah, don't get me wrong, like Greece too. Nobody wants
Speaker 10: to admit that. But you know we're gonna score the
Speaker 10: bowling song.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna go
Speaker 10: and so not like right there you were gonna dump
Speaker 10: on Grease.
Speaker 6: All the words.
Speaker 10: It's true, it's just you know, it was the Grease
Speaker 10: double album. I can so vividly remember.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that just happened.
Speaker 2: You see, Greece is universal.
Speaker 10: About Greece. It's far dirtier than you remember. Because I
Speaker 10: have little kids, and then I'm like, I'm sorry, what
Speaker 10: the chicks?
Speaker 2: Who the what? Like, yes, I gotta go watch it again.
Speaker 11: I hate keep from Kiniki.
Speaker 10: Yes because my daughter's five Michael and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 10: come on, let's watch the dance scene. And I'm like, wow, Gregorio,
Speaker 10: you never.
Speaker 6: You ever tried watching Back to the Future post me to.
Speaker 11: Yo as well, you're the president from Back to the.
Speaker 5: All right, what was your first concert material?
Speaker 10: Girl Madonna?
Speaker 6: Not a bad one.
Speaker 5: Were the Beastie Boys?
Speaker 6: The Opener?
Speaker 10: I don't think so?
Speaker 5: Okay okay?
Speaker 10: And I went to a meet Loaft show at a
Speaker 10: community college.
Speaker 6: Wow? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Somebody's parents took.
Speaker 6: Us y when I when I was seven years old,
Speaker 6: I played meat loaf in a pinball game. Wow. Uh.
Speaker 5: In Albany, New York.
Speaker 6: This is back in the day when rock stars would
Speaker 6: normally stay at airport.
Speaker 5: What are you laughing at, Zarah?
Speaker 2: What do you mean you played him in a pinball game?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: You know what, Yeah, because it's hard to play.
Speaker 6: With Okay, I thought I thought it was some sort
Speaker 6: of Okay, let me.
Speaker 9: Explain to you hotel. Wait, she thought you, like, were
Speaker 9: in a play and your your role was meet looks.
Speaker 10: So you were playing it was he was your opponent.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I got you saying to back and most shared.
Speaker 6: In the holidays, they used to have something called game
Speaker 6: rooms and every arcade game. Hotels used to have fully
Speaker 6: stocked arcades inside of to keep kids occupied. Now it's
Speaker 6: just like pay per view on your and your but
Speaker 6: kids used to have something to either go swimming or
Speaker 6: you go to game room. So your parents give you
Speaker 6: five bucks and then that buys you depending on if
Speaker 6: you memorize all the patterns on pac Man. You know,
Speaker 6: that could buy you good three hours in the game room.
Speaker 6: And you know your parents could do whatever. My my
Speaker 6: dad did like two weeks in Albany, New York. And
Speaker 6: that's back when now rock stars stayed in the best
Speaker 6: five star hotels and the glamour and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: But back in the day, you could always find a
Speaker 6: rock act at whatever the nearest airport hotel was, so
Speaker 6: usually the Holiday Inn Airport or the Sheridan Airport. So
Speaker 6: we happen to be appearing there, My parents happen to
Speaker 6: be appearing there and back in like seventy nine in Albany,
Speaker 6: New York. And I didn't know who Meatloff was. It
Speaker 6: just knew fat guy always playing. I forget the name
Speaker 6: of it. I think No, it wasn't Flash Court. That
Speaker 6: was like eighty one. Anyway, we became pals playing pinball
Speaker 6: games in the game room, and I later found out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was saying, I didn't even hear that story.
Speaker 2: I just heard meatball music and I would do anything below.
Speaker 6: Anyway, dude that I loved him.
Speaker 5: Zero, What was your first concert?
Speaker 12: Wango Tango you by Kiss FM?
Speaker 5: What the hell is wingo Tango?
Speaker 12: It's like, you know, jingle Ball? Yeah, Kiss FM and
Speaker 12: l A does a like a summertime one at the
Speaker 12: rose Ball who performed.
Speaker 2: The Oh no, she don't make us feel? Oh go ahead?
Speaker 4: Zero?
Speaker 5: What nothing good? There's age? She just sounds fourteen.
Speaker 12: I can't remember, but I think it was like the
Speaker 12: Backstreet Boys. Oh I remember Kelly Osborne saying she.
Speaker 2: Has It was during the Osborne when the Osbourne's were going.
Speaker 12: And uh, Jaul and Ashanti.
Speaker 10: Wango tango.
Speaker 2: You gotta have a little bit of everything, like dingle.
Speaker 5: What's the first record you brought?
Speaker 11: Osborne had a song, yes, cover.
Speaker 6: Of Papa Don't Preach. It was her first single.
Speaker 10: I loved it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was your first record?
Speaker 2: It was that? Kelly?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: Probably yeah, Like, how do you know? I was a
Speaker 6: kid at one point to My parents didn't buy the
Speaker 6: RAF but my friend Evans from Dynasty, you know what
Speaker 6: I know?
Speaker 11: I think Yanni did was the one word.
Speaker 5: Okay, I thought they were Anyway, I appreciate this.
Speaker 6: This is a very generous interview. We we enjoyed talking
Speaker 6: to you. Okay, you guys A drunken episode, Stephanie.
Speaker 2: Stephanie cat just told you it was one episode already
Speaker 2: told Artis, But it knocked me off my feet. This
Speaker 2: guy was talking, he was on the Conservative and he
Speaker 2: came at Belshie for no reason. He said, and where
Speaker 2: are you from? It was totally racial and your ass
Speaker 2: jumped to his defense so quick that I thought you
Speaker 2: was gonna jump through that screen. And I just want
Speaker 2: to tell you ever since that day I had folk
Speaker 2: a spirit.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: He why are you asking him where he is from?
Speaker 11: He was trying to say that.
Speaker 10: It was okay that Roy Moore down in Alabama went
Speaker 10: after underage girls because he looked at Ali and he said, well,
Speaker 10: you're from afar off Land, trying to make some sort
Speaker 10: of thinly veiled Muslim race like Canada.
Speaker 11: So that guy could take a hike.
Speaker 2: Yoh, you got pissed. It was great, Okay, I'm just
Speaker 2: let her speak then, yeah, you got she got this.
Speaker 10: But think about that. Think about in Alabama that guy
Speaker 10: almost got elected. And listen, there was some Charles Barkley
Speaker 10: the night before went down to Atlanta and said, Atlanta
Speaker 10: and said we have to be better than this. And
Speaker 10: he got out the vote and made a difference.
Speaker 2: It was Charles Barkley.
Speaker 10: I remember twenty years ago. Charles Barkley was guy saying
Speaker 10: I don't want to be an idol. I don't need to.
Speaker 10: I don't want to be a role model for your kids. Evolution,
Speaker 10: all right, which guess what everybody can?
Speaker 6: Everybody can. I don't say everybody before a lot of
Speaker 6: people can.
Speaker 5: Before I let you go.
Speaker 6: Everybody has the potential to potential. Yeah, before I let
Speaker 6: you go. No, this is no because she could come back,
Speaker 6: and you know we got we should have a beat
Speaker 6: for a yes episode.
Speaker 2: Would you do a drunken episode?
Speaker 6: Well for the year in episode we just have alcohol. Actually,
Speaker 6: wait a minute, when the drink has been poor. No,
Speaker 6: I think we need to do a drunken episode with Rachel.
Speaker 2: Oh, Rachel and Stephanie.
Speaker 6: That would be something, all right, because Rachel's starting to
Speaker 6: speak to me in elevators now.
Speaker 9: I've been hearing about how good she is at pouring drinks.
Speaker 9: I just, you know, want to find out for myself.
Speaker 5: She's very good.
Speaker 2: Is Rachel single? She's still married?
Speaker 10: She is not single.
Speaker 2: Okay, she's still nice. They've been met together for a
Speaker 2: long time. It's great.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, Stephanie, we thank you for coming on.
Speaker 10: And your show airs win nine am and one pm.
Speaker 6: She's about to walk out right now. Could you say
Speaker 6: that one more time because you got interrupted.
Speaker 10: Nine am Monday to Friday, one pm Monday.
Speaker 6: What network, M S, N b C.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
Speaker 6: Hey. By the way, I know our audience can't see this,
Speaker 6: but these Taates cookies have they been here since They've
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Speaker 5: We will see you on the next go around.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
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