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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast does teams celebrations in the

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Speaker 1: end zone. Welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas. I'm joined in

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Speaker 1: a garage filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Right before

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Speaker 1: we started, Dan and said, well, what do I say again? Well,

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Speaker 1: weren't a bit of a different setting we're in once

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Speaker 1: we're in, Dana at the top of the show, Well

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Speaker 1: you should say it now? Then I think I wasn't

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Speaker 1: listening to Yansas? Did I say that? Think you covered yourself? Dad?

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Speaker 1: Did I say that? Have you done this before? We're

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Speaker 1: plugged in? We're we're plugged in right. Well, I am

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansas and this is the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we are in the garage after Monday Night football.

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Speaker 1: The Packers obviously um embarrassed if I quite frankly in

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Speaker 1: their house to take the NFC North and uh, we

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Speaker 1: are going to get to that. Usually, of course we

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Speaker 1: do our show on Tuesday, but on the holiday week

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Speaker 1: with Christmas coming up. Uh, we're doing it here offsite

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Speaker 1: in the garage home of the Throwback podcast and boys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: first of all, have you enjoyed the experience, you know,

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Speaker 1: watching the game from the garage? Let's start. Let's start there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's been amazing because, you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: celebratory Christmas kind of vibe to it. Uh, your son's

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Speaker 1: Jack and Harrison strolled in here, your level wife, Emily,

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Speaker 1: your parents is here, Dad, you know, Dan's dad is here.

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Speaker 1: That's a special event. And getting to sit and watch

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Speaker 1: three hours of football and hearing what I would consider

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Speaker 1: decades worth of precise hammer dropping pros and commentary from

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Speaker 1: Dan's dad as a special experience. I've been here for

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Speaker 1: a baseball playoff game as well, and it reminds me

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Speaker 1: of you know, a few years back, it got to

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Speaker 1: be trendy for all these bars, you know, in urban

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Speaker 1: areas to have garage fronts that actually pull down, you know,

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Speaker 1: and about five minutes into the game, Dan puts the

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Speaker 1: a good setting. No, Dan did an amazing job setting

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Speaker 1: the last few years. It's a beautiful place to watch

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Speaker 1: the games and and who, uh, who better to sit

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Speaker 1: next to than Keith Hansas, like I was all night,

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Speaker 1: have that. A little uh later, he tried to stump

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Speaker 1: job answering the bell. What was the wait? What was

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Speaker 1: the trivia question? Again? Dad? The trivia question, first of

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Speaker 1: We whipped on that one. Well, I attempted Randall Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: but the answer was not that. And what was the

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick? And I said Bobby Douglas. But then Keith,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna yeah, and we got together here and

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Speaker 1: the Monday night football game. We're gonna get to that

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Speaker 1: in just a little bit. We're also gonna do um

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Speaker 1: some news, get caught up on some happenings after Week sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and including uh, the apparent return of one of the

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Speaker 1: yes with Monday night football. The Green Bay Packers are

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Speaker 1: celebrating Jones. Look at that balance. Aaron Jones only so

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this game a little bit, because

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Speaker 1: the Packers certainly did not blow the doors um off

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Speaker 1: and I have had our disagreements with Kirk Cousins and

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Speaker 1: the Vikings where blames should be assessed when the Vikings

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Speaker 1: of that argument. You were right, and everything you said

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Speaker 1: it was all right. Dan has declared the winner. Now

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins either. Seven first downs from Minnesota and four

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Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy one. Keith Hansas was a junior at

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Speaker 1: The man's a grandfather West speak to it. Come on,

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, put the team on your back when they

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Speaker 1: of the most disappointing performances any team has had all year.

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Speaker 1: and I'm not really that interested in where he's interviewing.

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Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. The one thing I'd say is

431
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Speaker 1: that he probably represents two owners looking for interviews, a

432
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Speaker 1: secure veteran coach, which there are only a few of

433
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Speaker 1: out there right now. And you know, when I think

434
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Speaker 1: of Mike Petton, I did a piece while back called

435
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: the Sojourn Year where coaches that vanished for a season

436
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Speaker 1: and what do they do with that year? And Patton

437
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that he felt that his own

438
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: game planning and view of the game had become a

439
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: bit narrow, and that he took that year to examine

440
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Speaker 1: the same way that we would every single team and

441
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: offenses and defenses around the league, and he grew and

442
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: Patton's come back and reshaped his career from it. So

443
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Speaker 1: can Mike McCarthy do that intellectually and as a coach,

444
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I understand why owners would be

445
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Speaker 1: attracted to someone with his track record. He he wanted

446
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Speaker 1: back in right away. There wasn't a ton of interest,

447
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, a year ago. He'll get interviews. I don't

448
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Speaker 1: know if I, you know, would would guess that he's

449
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Speaker 1: going to get a job. I mean, I don't think

450
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Speaker 1: that's guaranteed, and I don't think the Panthers are necessarily

451
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: a big fit, especially if you're keeping Cam Newton. But

452
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you interview him right now? You have you

453
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Speaker 1: have time to kill your David Tepper like interview. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that why you as many people as possible? And he

455
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Speaker 1: makes sense to interview, But I guess I'd be surprised

456
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Speaker 1: if he got one of the better jobs available. I

457
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: think you'll get a job. I know Ron Rivera is

458
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Speaker 1: going to get a job. I think McCarthy will too.

459
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Speaker 1: I feel i'd be very surprised if he didn't. Quite frankly,

460
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Speaker 1: I mean, I could be wrong, I could be reading

461
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Speaker 1: it wrong, but I think there's gonna be an owner

462
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Speaker 1: that's gonna buy into Like I said that backburner warmed

463
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Speaker 1: up resume, and it's gonna be something that sways them. Uh,

464
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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, we want somebody that knows what

465
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Speaker 1: they're your Cleveland Browns market again, profession on here that

466
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Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, that has experience that the players

467
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Speaker 1: will respect, whether they actually do or not. As a

468
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Speaker 1: different conversation, they had ties to him. They're one of

469
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Speaker 1: the teams that didn't even go out of the way

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Speaker 1: to interview. I think that if you're a fan, that's

471
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Speaker 1: sort of you know, toiled with a struggling team for

472
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Speaker 1: a really long time. And the the other side of

473
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Speaker 1: the pr thing with Mike McCarthy leaving Green Bay was

474
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Speaker 1: so evil and so like unfriendly towards him that I'd

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Speaker 1: be concerned as a fan just rolling Mike McCarthy and

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Speaker 1: his head coach and wondering what will be different than

477
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Speaker 1: what everyone was saying about it about at the end

478
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Speaker 1: of his Packers run. When you're when you're buying Riverboat,

479
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: you're buying his leadership and the way all his players

480
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: go to bat for him and love him. When you're

481
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Speaker 1: buying Mike McCarthy, you're buying his offense. And what's to

482
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Speaker 1: say for his offense over the last couple of years. Well,

483
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Speaker 1: he does have that street named after Mike McCarthy way so,

484
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Speaker 1: and do you know, I got it. He's got a ring.

485
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Speaker 1: He's got a ring that carries weight, is all I'm

486
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Speaker 1: saying that. That's saying he's a good coach with the

487
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Speaker 1: six seeded UH Packers team. No One's upcoming because a

488
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Speaker 1: long time ago that should be said as well. All right.

489
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Speaker 1: In other news, Yes, that Mountain Rushmore. Let's get back

490
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: to that is Marshawn Lynch on the amount Rushmore of

491
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Speaker 1: the most popular NFL players in the last twenty years. Oh,

492
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Speaker 1: I think popula. I think she's different famous to popular.

493
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Speaker 1: He's he's in the mix. But I would still say, now, hmm,

494
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Speaker 1: I mean to me when I think of the last

495
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Speaker 1: ten years, at least he's someone who has more memories

496
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Speaker 1: attached to him than almost like other players. Guess what, Mark,

497
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: More memories are coming. Because the running back and the

498
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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks agreed to a deal. On Monday, Lynch's agent

499
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Speaker 1: announced Lynch's contract is for this season only, which means

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Speaker 1: Week seventeen against the Niners and the playoffs. Uh. The

501
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Speaker 1: Seahawks also signed Robert Turban, another old war horse for them.

502
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: He spent the first three NFL season and rob is

503
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Speaker 1: coming back from Kristin Michael's uh Sean Alexander and Alexander

504
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Speaker 1: two thousand six MVPs back no the original Kurt Warner,

505
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Speaker 1: but the original Currt Warner, Lynch and Turban phil backfield

506
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Speaker 1: spots that opened Sunday when Chris Carson and c J.

507
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Speaker 1: Prosise both went down with season ending injuries. We talked

508
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: about Mark on Sunday Night Show that nobody had a

509
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: worse Sunday uh than the Seahawks. And let's not act

510
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: like this is prime Marshawn Lynch coming into town to

511
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Speaker 1: save the day. But you know what, it's a little

512
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: bit of juice to It was a little bit of

513
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: fun and you know, a dollop of sprinkle of Christmas

514
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: happiness on an otherwise grim scenario for seeing I mean,

515
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I love I I totally. It can easily fall in

516
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Speaker 1: love with the concept in the narrative of the whole thing.

517
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: There were there, you know, from another angle. When I

518
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: was in Oakland last week covering the last Raiders game,

519
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: he was also there doing apparently shots with fans, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what where the football shape is it.

521
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: Also West, you know it's during right in the middle

522
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Speaker 1: of Super Bowl fifty. West was ordered to write the

523
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch retirement story when he hung his cleats and

524
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Speaker 1: took a photo. And now I think that Western have

525
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Speaker 1: to go into our CMS system, probably tonight and update

526
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Speaker 1: that story and add some new some new graphs. Please well,

527
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Speaker 1: let me put that in another way. I wrote this

528
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: man's retirement story before I had cancer. That's how speak

529
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Speaker 1: of West. My concern Marshawn Lynch, who maybe, hey, maybe

530
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: he's been a gym rat the last eight months or

531
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: whatever since he retired, but that he is. He is

532
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: a guy that is in danger of sustaining the worst

533
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: hamstring injury since Chris Westling rounding second for the Shield

534
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: of Season. I mean where the hamstring actually jumps off

535
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: the bone and screams in Agony's not like a dry twig.

536
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: We don't want that to happen. But the in seriousness,

537
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: the idea that you're gonna have Lynch contributing you you

538
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: take him out of retire and pluck him into basically

539
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: a playoff scenario in week seventeen and then January. I

540
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: wonder how much work he'll actually get in this offense.

541
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: You're figuring he would split the reps with Travis Homer,

542
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: who was there, who was their fourth string back, and

543
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: then Turbine. You're probably not giving him. But it's amazing.

544
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: I applaud Pete Carroll for the theatricality of it, for

545
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: the is this the time for that? I don't know.

546
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: I think it is just your what your alternative? You

547
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: had the worst that you could possibly have. This is

548
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: gonna give juice to the locker room. And not that

549
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: that's gonna make them win or not, but it's like, what,

550
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: why not the worst running back that they could just

551
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: sign off the street. That's like, the next guy up

552
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: is not gonna be better than the fifteen percent chance

553
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: that maybe Lynch just does something great. He did run

554
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: pretty well with the Raiders. I thought he did. We

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00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: gave him a little credit that he was running pretty

556
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: well before. He think there are another universe that we

557
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: live in where he's suddenly a week from now having

558
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: rumbled for a hundred and forty yards two touchdowns. Well

559
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: well maybe like maybe like a seven yard touchdown. He

560
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: goes three for sixteen with a seven yard touchdown and

561
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: he and he just becomes a factor. And you know what,

562
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: they're not my team. I'm not working for them, like

563
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: he's giving it to the rest of the football fans

564
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: just as a nice fun story. It's like something a

565
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: team would do, like, but they're trying to win the

566
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl here. But what look, I guess how I'm

567
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: not against it. I'm just I want everyone to temp

568
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: for expectation of the other. What does Travis Homer way

569
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy found pounds. Pete Carroll has a

570
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: formula and he has talked about this. He talked about

571
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: this over the summer when I when our team wasn't

572
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: doing well, it was because we didn't have a power

573
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: running game. We did not support our quarterback. And our

574
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: formula for playing is defense, power running, and support the quarterback.

575
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: Their offensive line isn't built to protect Russell Wilson, is

576
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: built to open lanes for power runners. And I don't

577
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: know if Travis Homer is that guy. But there's a

578
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: number three overall pick that is several years younger available power.

579
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Richardson off the elevator. Here, here's my point. That's three

580
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: point three yards per carry career. But he led the

581
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: a f and touchdowns just last year. All right, here

582
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: the last three running backs that have been signed off

583
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: of waivers or a practice quad so a p Ryan,

584
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: Kenneth Dixon and uh, it doesn't even matter Rod Smith?

585
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: So can is there like a fifteen percent chance that

586
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Marshall Lynch is way better than those guys? It's like,

587
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: why not? I agree? I'm just saying everybody don't expect

588
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: a beast quake I'm expecting it. It's more like it. It

589
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: It will be a cart coming from the man. That's all.

590
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: We cannot shake Mark's expectations. I'm excited about this. This

591
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: is one of the one of the better things that's

592
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: happened on Sunday night football against that delicious You wouldn't

593
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: need to go through it. But this feels like the

594
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: best season finale for Alan Chris since they started this game.

595
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I can't remember a better a better one than Seahawks

596
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: forty niners. Moving on, the Ravens clinched everything on Sunday.

597
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: They are the number one seed in the a f

598
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Speaker 1: C and as expected, um Lamar Jackson and several other

599
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: starters will not be playing against the Steelers in Week seventeen. Jackson,

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Speaker 1: of course, mark Ingram, who by the way, has a

601
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: strained calf, which by the way is actually, you know,

602
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: technically a torn calf muscle, and he left the stadium

603
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: in a boot yesterday. And with this week off and

604
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: then the bye, he gets extended time to rest and recover,

605
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: uh and rehab. But we'll see whether he's mark Ingram

606
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: come playoff time for the Ravens. But this obviously makes

607
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: a lot of sense Uh. And then on the flip

608
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: side of that, you have Bill O'Brien of the Houston Texans, who,

609
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the Texans can't move really much

610
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: at all, they are at the four seed. Uh in

611
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: the a f C, they could get up to the

612
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: three seed. Uh. He he is going to play his

613
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: guys anyway. Uh. That feels that feels belichicky And from

614
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: the disciple Greg, he did it last year. Well who

615
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: did it last Bill O'Brien played his guys last year

616
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: when he didn't have to end. I still don't believe

617
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: him this year. I believe that he's gonna enter the

618
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: first quarter with the starting lineup out there in depending

619
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: on what happens in the early games, he's going to adjust.

620
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: But Deshaun Watson was limping last game, grabbing at that

621
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: ankle repeatedly. Will Fuller has a he's a growing pool.

622
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Sean says that will Fuller is likely out three weeks.

623
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Speaker 1: So my point, basically, my point is you're receiving corps

624
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: is already shallow. You're gonna risk an injury to either

625
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: Stills or Hopkins. No, I don't. I don't believe that's

626
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna happen for four quarters. Yeah, the the quotes weren't

627
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: as aggressive when you look, they weren't as definitive as

628
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: I think people made them out to be. Aaron Wilson,

629
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: who covers them every day, pointed out them playing to

630
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: win still might mean them sitting some selective starters. The

631
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: Chiefs game, you know, is the early in the early window,

632
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: so they will know whether they can move up to

633
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: the three seed. It's debatable whether they would even care

634
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: that much about moving up to the three seed or not.

635
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Chiefs would have to lose to the Chargers,

636
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: which is unlikely anyways. I just don't think I have

637
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: a big problem with doing it either way. Everyone thinks

638
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: it's crazy to play your starters or to try to

639
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: play to win or play most of them. And to me,

640
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: there's only sixteen of them, and he doesn't think his

641
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: team is playing that well right now, and there's you know,

642
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Speaker 1: one way to get better at playing football as a

643
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: team is to play football as a team. Like it

644
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Speaker 1: just doesn't feel crazy to me if he went that, right.

645
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Speaker 1: And I think that we you know, when we're looking

646
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Speaker 1: at these teams week to week from a distance, and yeah,

647
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Speaker 1: you we we were weighing the risk of losing, you know,

648
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: a key player. But when you're a coach running a

649
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: locker room and you have a team that is somewhat

650
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: underperformed in the Texans where they've been up and down,

651
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I think there's some value to saying I'm not giving

652
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you a week off. I want to go see, at

653
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: least for part of this game, go out there, practice

654
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Speaker 1: and perform and show me that you're a playoff team

655
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Speaker 1: Dedre Hopkins. Of course, before that, it's like he's getting

656
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: in both ways. He's got the media reporting back to

657
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: his team, we're going for it this week. So he's

658
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: got his team riled up and they're all on board,

659
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: and then in the first quarter he's gonna pull. And

660
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Speaker 1: I make one last point on this is that I

661
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: actually think it is a pretty big deal, uh getting

662
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Speaker 1: that three seed, because if you get the three you

663
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: might get the Oakland Raiders in your building in the

664
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Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs, or or Duck Hodges and

665
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Speaker 1: the Steelers, who might be on fumes at this point,

666
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Speaker 1: Duck Hodges on the road, or you might get the

667
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Speaker 1: Titans again, which would would not you could beat the

668
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: Titans in theory, and then get them again. That's a

669
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Speaker 1: possibility to get the Beers again. Uh, whereas you know

670
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: the four seed, uh is going to get the Bills right,

671
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: and Bills are gonna be a tough out. I don't know,

672
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: you know if they're Super Bowl team, but I think

673
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: that's a team that's destined to play a close, fast

674
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: difference on wild Card weekend, that's a huge difference. Al right, Uh,

675
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Speaker 1: let's see anything else. I also think the Ravens backups

676
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: can absolutely beat the Steelers. You can only sit so

677
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: many people. And I don't know if r G three

678
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: is a is a better quarterback in Duck Hodges. I

679
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Speaker 1: think he is. Do you think the backup offensive line

680
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: can block t J? They only have eight, eight or

681
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: nine offensive linemen. It's so yonda sitting it hard. I

682
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: pointed out, like you can't. There's only so many people

683
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: you can sit. And they're still gonna be like Ronnie's

684
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: family is going to be out there for fourth, fourth quarters. Finally,

685
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: in the news, Philip Rivers, who is thirty eight years

686
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: old now it just turned thirty eighties and the final

687
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: year of his contract. It's been a tough go with

688
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: the Chargers and a lot of speculation that, uh, the

689
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Charges will move on from their quarterback after this season,

690
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: and I thought it was pretty interesting after seventeen loss, reporters,

691
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, asked Rivers about his future and he was

692
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: quite open about it and quite frankly, uh blunt in

693
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: his assessment of himself and his future. Let's listen to that.

694
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Speaker 1: But am I capable of it? Physically and mentally? There's

695
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: no question? Yes, I do. I want to play football.

696
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: Now I say yes, I want to play football, and

697
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: I do. And that's when I feel deep down as

698
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: I stand right here west so Rivers he wants he's

699
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: coming back in because somebody, if not the Chargers, is

700
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna sign him. Do you think it's a fresh start

701
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: on the way? And if you do think it's a

702
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: fresh start, where's a good landing spot for Mr? Rivers?

703
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: It's interesting you said the assumption. You know, a lot

704
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: of people assume the COGNISCENTI assumes the Chargers want to

705
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: move on. I think there's also some people who's who

706
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: assumed before this that Rivers might just he and Eli

707
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: go out together and call it a career because he

708
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: doesn't want to play for anyone else. I could definitely

709
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: see him moving back towards the southeast, where he's from,

710
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: where his kids are gonna start high school in a

711
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: couple of years, where he wants to coach. I think

712
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Tannehill has made the Titans probably an unlikely scenario, but

713
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Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, who are said to be wanting to

714
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: move on from from cam Newton. He played college at

715
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Speaker 1: NC State there, so that makes sense to me. I

716
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: could see that. But I could also see the Chargers,

717
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: even if their head coach is done with him, their

718
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: GM saying, well, you want to put the franchise tag

719
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: on him and see if anybody will raid for him.

720
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: I got one for you. What about Jake Briskets struggling

721
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: down the stretch with the Colts putting Phil Rivers in

722
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: Indie with Frank Reich run that. I feel like that

723
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: could work right midwestern town for his family. I hadn't

724
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: thought of that, but I like it. There's some juice

725
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: there and good offensive line. There is some talk of yeah,

726
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: good offensive line, obviously a great offensive coach. Uh. They

727
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: maybe give t Y Hilton some help there, they get

728
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: healthy obviously of Marlon mac Maybe that's a good spend

729
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: some time together. I believe with the Chargers. Yes they did. Ye,

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00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: I would say this to You're not gonna get it.

731
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get any quarterback, you know, heading into

732
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: weeks seventeen telling people when he's got to go start

733
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: in five or six days. I'm done with football. I'm

734
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: not there mentally, like, no one know what athletes don't

735
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: hit hit the way he talked about it, and sort

736
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: of the typical Philip Rivers defiance. You could just tell

737
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: he's playing. I mean he he said, well, the charges

738
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: aren't gonna dictate when he retires. Let's sit it that one.

739
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: He said, like, there's a natural human nature. You're thirty eight.

740
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: You've thrown some bad interceptions for you to think about

741
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: whether you can make these throws. And he said, none

742
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: of that's true. I've made as many great throws this year.

743
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Whether he's right or wrong, he believes that as I

744
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: made earlier in my career. I've made some throws that

745
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: are better than ever. And he he is insulted by

746
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: this suggestion that he's done. And whether the charges agree

747
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know. There's a weird situation. I

748
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: think with you know, Tyrod Taylor is signed there next year.

749
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn has been with him before and good luck

750
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: right at least that they have someone where they could

751
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: up so Fi Stadium with Tyrod Taylor and a rookie

752
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: and a rookie Navy you draft someone? Yeah, um, all right,

753
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: let's see dad, what's going on to chewing that ice

754
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: over there? Very loud? I'm sorry. Well, he's been waiting

755
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: for our segment, which we've done a lot of which

756
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: it's our top games of the nineteen seventies from nine.

757
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: We're each gonna do twenty each, take a two or

758
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: three minutes for each game. West, let's get a get

759
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: us going well the Holy Roller that I want your

760
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: thoughts if you could on Philip Rivers. We you were

761
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: chewing the table a little bit today. Uh, we were

762
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: watching Game Pass as well as I'm putting together the

763
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: power ranks. Would you want Philip Rivers if you were

764
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: the Cults or a coach that needed a little Upgradeer,

765
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Do you think he's shot? No? I think Rivers still

766
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: has it, and I think he would be a good

767
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: addition to the Colts. Uh. The Colts, look, if they

768
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: had anybody they had a better quarterback, I think they

769
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: would have definitely had nine or ten wins this year, so, uh,

770
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think he would be a great addition.

771
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I think his time in San Diego was over. And

772
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: should Adhaim Gaze be back with the Jets. I don't

773
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: know Gaze. I don't I don't particularly like Gaze, as

774
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big Jet fan as you are.

775
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Then and uh, you know what, I don't particularly like him,

776
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: but I have to say, you know, they were one

777
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: in seven and now there's six and nine, so I'm

778
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: have to be pretty pleased they haven't quit on if

779
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: they haven't quit and he's got he's got. It seems

780
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: like he's got the team behind him. But I've also

781
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: heard some rumblings, uh in the locker room about him

782
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: not being so popular with the team, but that happens, guy.

783
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: I believe it was the report in Bleacher Report that

784
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Greg Williams the locker room respects but Gaze a bit

785
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: of an act. But you know what, it also feels

786
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: like that could have come straight from Greg Williams, whose

787
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: lawyer Williams, Yeah, he just called up. He did the

788
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: conference call and said that, um, you know, it was

789
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: just disclosed there. Keith has a guest pass to the

790
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: lab and Mark can't even get in the door. You know,

791
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: there's so many situations that are should we give Aaron

792
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Rodgers um Keith boy the final word tonight? After after

793
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: tonight's win, he said, it's great to win in the

794
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: stadium after I was jeered a couple of years ago,

795
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: leaving the field with a broken collar bone. Yeah, you know,

796
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: just like Phil Rivers, these great old quarterbacks, you know,

797
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: they use slights his motivation, and sure enough, that's what

798
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: happened tonight in Minneapolis. I mean if I got if

799
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: I got booed after breaking my collar bone, that would

800
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: that would stick with me too. Yeah, better than getting

801
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: cheered for a broken collar bone. Right, all right, We

802
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: will be back on Thursday with our Week seventeen Mark,

803
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: you gotta be feeling it right now. Weeks seventeen preview

804
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: show coming up. I like checkpoints, and that is a

805
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: checkpoint where we take twenty teams and we're all in

806
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: this giant clown car. We just we open those back

807
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: door of the car and we just shoved twenty teams

808
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: to the side of the highway and we keep rolling.

809
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I think of it as like all like a like

810
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: a tuna net. And then just in a Superman way,

811
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: three times around the head and then fly them into

812
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: the sun like that they're gone. It's twenty of them anyway,

813
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: so check that out when it comes again. Tickets available

814
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: at the Miami Improv dot com slash events if you

815
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: want to check out our live show on the Thursday

816
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: before a Super Bowl. Um, that's gonna be a lot

817
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: of fun. And finally, uh, tomorrow is Christmas Eve, Christmas

818
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Merry Christmas to all of our listeners. Greg,

819
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: I believe Hanakah is rolling now. I believe so in

820
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: Japan out like, take us through what we've never We're

821
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: not really a religious household in any way. We we've

822
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: never celebrated hanak I mean I didn't as a kid either,

823
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: but we celebrated our Christmas before they left, very good

824
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: Rosenthal Christmas. My parents flew in. Uh and uh we

825
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: did early. New Year's is the big holiday in Tokyo.

826
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: So that's really why that's better put than Dan on

827
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: the last year asking what the hook of Hanukkah was,

828
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: as if it's not been around for right now? Uh,

829
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Speaker 1: And yes, I'm lucky enough to have my dad Keith

830
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: here and my mom uh as celebrating it. So we're

831
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: very fortunate and yes, Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone.

832
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Speaker 1: We will be back Thursday. Until then, this is Dan

833
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: hands is signing off for see it's a different desk

834
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: set up, so I gotta say quiet Storm, the mailman,

835
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: the old Boss and Keith Hands this Clark's down High

836
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: Class of seventy one. Yes until Thursday,