Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arms.
Speaker 2: Strong and gay and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 1: Critics just said that you either relaxed or failed to
Speaker 1: enforce sanctions on Iran, allowing all of this money to
Speaker 1: flow into Iran.
Speaker 3: Like Billy, let's go back to Donald Trump. Hold on
Speaker 3: who pulled out of who pulled out of a deal
Speaker 3: that would have actually put but here Ron in check
Speaker 3: the estimates and bill during Donald Trump's administration, that Ron regime,
Speaker 3: that we had an American military base that was attacked
Speaker 3: where American soldiers suffered traumatic brain injuries.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris with Brett Barry yesterday and we played some
Speaker 1: of that already in the show, and we'll have more
Speaker 1: of but coming up later and a little punditry around
Speaker 1: that just wanted to establish Kamala Harris's voice and presidence
Speaker 1: before we got to Katie Grimes, who's been following Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's career for quite some time. Katie Grahams, if you
Speaker 1: don't know this around the country, is the editor in
Speaker 1: chief of the California Globe. Longtime investigative journalist covering the
Speaker 1: California state capitol. Co author of the book California's War
Speaker 1: Against Donald Trump, Katie Grimes joins The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2: Katie, How are you doing today?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 5: Jas doing well?
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 1: How long have you known, being a reporter in California
Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris?
Speaker 6: Long since she was district Yeah, since she was first
Speaker 6: running for district attorney.
Speaker 2: And you followed her rise over the years.
Speaker 1: Anything stand out about the current Kamala we're seeing versus
Speaker 1: the Kamala you've known all these years, or any comment
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 6: Well, what's interesting is I think today she really comes
Speaker 6: off like a fish out of water. Back when she
Speaker 6: was San Francisco DA, and even when she was still
Speaker 6: California Attorney General, I think she was operating in her world,
Speaker 6: the world she was familiar with San Francisco and California,
Speaker 6: and she exuded a lot more confidence back then. Today,
Speaker 6: I think she comes off like she's not ready for
Speaker 6: prime time, and when she gets caught the way she
Speaker 6: did yesterday, unable to answer questions with Brett Bhaer in
Speaker 6: the Fox interview, I actually used the B word to
Speaker 6: describe her. I'll say shrue right now.
Speaker 1: Who did you use the B word to when you
Speaker 1: were describing her your husband.
Speaker 6: Or yes, yeah, I didn't write it, but I would
Speaker 6: say shrew because then you Shreue was a woman of
Speaker 6: violent temper, which she is notorious for having. Really, and
Speaker 6: I think he really flipped on Brett Bhaer in that
Speaker 6: interview when she just started yelling at him. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think I think that's that's that's Kamala.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's a raw shock test thing where if
Speaker 1: you're predisposed to not dig her act, it looks like she's,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a bee uh where suppose if
Speaker 1: you're a fan, you know, she's just strongly pushing back
Speaker 1: against the the the maga white male of Fox.
Speaker 2: So I guess that's the way that works.
Speaker 1: But so so I've been trying to figure out for
Speaker 1: a long time, and it sounds like you have an
Speaker 1: answer to this question. Is the real Kamala Kamala the cop, Kamala,
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, Kamala the hard ass going after criminals, or
Speaker 1: is the real Kama Kamala the twenty nineteen presidential candidate
Speaker 1: who was a huge failure, who is like so soft
Speaker 1: and lefty and you know, just like the very degree
Speaker 1: of being a liberal, which is a real her Well,
Speaker 1: and you you.
Speaker 6: Ask a very very good question, because I think Kamala
Speaker 6: was created at a whole cloth. Seen this happen before
Speaker 6: with other politicians. Her go to is always total leftism.
Speaker 6: She's very clearly much a Marxist. She's not a tough
Speaker 6: cop type of lawyer or prosecutor. If she was, she
Speaker 6: actually would have prosecuted not the guys who were caught
Speaker 6: with marijuana, but maybe the guys that sold it to them.
Speaker 6: And that's all she did.
Speaker 5: She was just.
Speaker 6: Looking for wins and it didn't matter if they were
Speaker 6: big wins like mailing dealers or suppliers. And that was
Speaker 6: definitely her reputation in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: So at what point, and I think you know where
Speaker 1: we're going to go with this, At what point did
Speaker 1: she start dating the most powerful man at the time
Speaker 1: in the entire state of California, Willie Brown.
Speaker 6: She started dating him before she ever got into politics.
Speaker 6: He's the one that facilitated her getting into politics and
Speaker 6: had the ability to raise the money to make her win.
Speaker 6: And what I understand and have had this confirmed via
Speaker 6: word of mouth, is that when Allanan was still the
Speaker 6: San Francisco District Attorney and Kamala had worked for him,
Speaker 6: he was prosecuting some of Willie Brown's friends. I'll say
Speaker 6: there was some corruption going on in San Francisco. I know,
Speaker 6: you're shocked, and Willie Brown did not want that, and
Speaker 6: so he put Kamala up to it and made sure
Speaker 6: she was so fully funded she could pretty much just
Speaker 6: buy the victory and then all the corruption charges went away.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's interesting. So Willy Brown, for people who
Speaker 1: don't know around the country, was a mayor in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He was a speaker in the He was the most
Speaker 1: powerful man in the state government for a very long time.
Speaker 1: He was the most powerful man in the entire state
Speaker 1: of California. But so it wasn't just she was young
Speaker 1: and hot that he was interested in her. He helped
Speaker 1: her rise up through the ranks and made some problems
Speaker 1: go away for him and his friends.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that continued obviously as she was
Speaker 6: district attorney. And you know, over the years we've certainly
Speaker 6: seen other cases of it. It's good to have a
Speaker 6: district attorney in your back pocket.
Speaker 2: He was married at the time that he had a
Speaker 2: relationship with Kamala Harris. Correct.
Speaker 6: Yes, Willie Brown was a notorious womanizer, and I believe
Speaker 6: they were together a couple of years. And what I
Speaker 6: understand from locals there is she actually broke it off
Speaker 6: because it was pretty evident he wasn't going to leave
Speaker 6: his wife to make a permanent life with her.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess good for her for figuring that out,
Speaker 1: you know, which is obviously kind of obviously you know,
Speaker 1: like if you're watching Sex and the City or whatever.
Speaker 2: But so have you seen that video that is going around.
Speaker 1: I saw it on Twitter where God, it's way way
Speaker 1: way back in the day, and she's Willie Brown's girlfriend,
Speaker 1: and some reporter.
Speaker 2: Asks her, are you his daughter?
Speaker 1: It's at some function yea, and she says no because
Speaker 1: she's so young in that video.
Speaker 6: Oh I know, it's it was. Yeah, there was definitely
Speaker 6: and obviously a you know, a large age gap. I
Speaker 6: think it was twenty nine years. But they were, you know,
Speaker 6: as I said, together for two years, and he took
Speaker 6: her on the San Francisco circuit, every fundraiser, Imaginable, the opera,
Speaker 6: the ballet, you know, every event. It was probably you know,
Speaker 6: a great time for her. But it was after that
Speaker 6: that he appointed her to a couple of different commissions.
Speaker 6: So in addition to being a I think she was
Speaker 6: working for the city attorney at that time, making whatever
Speaker 6: a city attorney makes, she was also getting paid for
Speaker 6: attending a few meetings a year, and I think it
Speaker 6: was something well over one hundred thousand just for sitting
Speaker 6: on those commissions.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was a good time for her. If you're
Speaker 1: okay with sleeping with somebody who's twice your age, yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's no way to get inside her head to know,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know, he's a very charismatic guy,
Speaker 1: as you know Willie Brown, good looking, well dressed, charismatic,
Speaker 1: powerful guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, that could be very attractive.
Speaker 1: So maybe she actually fell for him, or you know,
Speaker 1: the fact that he was going to be a help
Speaker 1: the glide path to riches in power, you know, is
Speaker 1: also a recent sedate hum So how much of which
Speaker 1: of each?
Speaker 2: We don't know. I suppose no.
Speaker 8: Other than.
Speaker 6: My assessment of Kamala is that she's incredibly ambitious more
Speaker 6: is never enough type, and you pair that with perhaps
Speaker 6: this very average intelligence and it kind of makes her dangerous.
Speaker 1: Okay, that angle of it, the average intelligence, What was
Speaker 1: the what was the belief about her when she is
Speaker 1: running around with Willie Brown? Where it was was everybody saying, man,
Speaker 1: she's a rising star, she's going to be a big deal,
Speaker 1: or as you're suggesting, she's kind of average.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think people were particularly impressed with her intellect.
Speaker 6: I think it was more she uh, you know, young,
Speaker 6: pretty hanging out with Willie were vibrant, you know. It
Speaker 6: was it was her youth and probably her ambition as
Speaker 6: well that people recognized. It was never intellect, believe me.
Speaker 1: So you're fairly solid on the idea that she's of
Speaker 1: average intelligence because I've been trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: Also if she's just not, because I know some really
Speaker 1: smart people that if you interviewed them with lights and
Speaker 1: cameras would not do very well. I mean, it's its
Speaker 1: own kind of skill to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: But you're pretty solid and feeling like she's actually average intelligence.
Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely believe that. You know, I don't give
Speaker 6: out IQ tests or anything. Sure, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 6: think she's shown that many many times over the years,
Speaker 6: and again, ambition always won out, and that's why, you know,
Speaker 6: as I was describing the cases he chose to prosecute
Speaker 6: in San Francisco. Even as Attorney general, she was vicious
Speaker 6: as attorney general. She's the one that went after David
Speaker 6: Delaydon who exposed that Planned Parenthood was selling baby parts
Speaker 6: from aborted fetuses.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's the one who went after him, not Planned
Speaker 6: Parenthood or the people that were selling these baby parts.
Speaker 1: Wow, that should be a scandal. Although it's tough for
Speaker 1: anything to break through in our current political environment. As
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're either either on Team Trump
Speaker 1: or not, and it doesn't seem like anything moves the needle.
Speaker 1: Yesterday's interview with Brett Bear will not move the needle
Speaker 1: at all. A near assassination didn't really move the needle.
Speaker 1: So everybody's locked in. We're talking with Katie Grimes, editor
Speaker 1: in chief of the California Globe. A couple of things
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on before we let you go.
Speaker 1: First of all, as a California I can't believe Adam
Speaker 1: Shift's going to be my senator at some point. That
Speaker 1: is that is so disgusting to me that he is
Speaker 1: able to benefit from lying about all that Russia stuff
Speaker 1: and all the claims he made for years, and he's
Speaker 1: going to freaking end up being a Senator probably for
Speaker 1: the next thirty years.
Speaker 6: You know, I know that he just makes my skin crawl.
Speaker 6: He is, you know, the epitome of the vile, creepy politician. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: and you're right, yeah, I am so disgusted that California
Speaker 6: could not find somebody to beat him. It either speaks
Speaker 6: volumes about California or volumes about the Republican Party in California,
Speaker 6: which perhaps is more accurate. But all we can hope
Speaker 6: at this point is that he's mostly neutered because the
Speaker 6: GOP takes back the Senate. So I'm crossing all my
Speaker 6: fingers and toes and saying a daily prayer.
Speaker 1: And one other thing I just wanted to bring up.
Speaker 1: This is kind of for my own personal knowledge. California
Speaker 1: Glow the headline California mask dictators bringing back mask mandates?
Speaker 1: Who and where are we gonna have mask mandates again?
Speaker 6: The Bay Area. There's a several counties in the Bay
Speaker 6: Area that have updated their public health department websites to
Speaker 6: include mask mandates. It is mind boggling that they're going
Speaker 6: to this again. And as I pointed, out in the article,
Speaker 6: masks have been so debunked as having any value of
Speaker 6: stopping a virus. Yeah, they stop bacteria, they don't stop
Speaker 6: a virus. That I think it just shows you that
Speaker 6: we do have a lot of real authoritarians in public health.
Speaker 6: I think they like doing this to people, and if
Speaker 6: they thought it would gain any steam for the rest
Speaker 6: of the state, they'd be thrilled. On an interesting note, Jack,
Speaker 6: that article, when I posted it on Facebook, Facebook took
Speaker 6: it down. So I reposted it, and they took it
Speaker 6: down again. I reposted it and said this time, Hey,
Speaker 6: San Francisco Chronicle originated this story. I just did more
Speaker 6: data and research on it. They took it down again.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: What do you think their argument would be, Because it's
Speaker 1: not misinformation, it's just a thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's true, that's the point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they claim it was misinformation, they claim it was spam.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just so frustrating. This is what we
Speaker 6: deal with in California.
Speaker 2: Wow, is troubling. That is troubling.
Speaker 1: And from the side that's claiming that, you know, we
Speaker 1: need to do away with the First Amendment. Katie Grimes,
Speaker 1: you should follow her. You should read this stuff and
Speaker 1: even if you're not in California, it will.
Speaker 2: Affect you wherever you are.
Speaker 1: The editor in chief of the California Globe, Katie, thanks
Speaker 1: for your time today.
Speaker 2: Thank you Jack Yeah wow.
Speaker 1: Facebook taking down a factual article about mask mandate. What
Speaker 1: more on the way stay here.
Speaker 9: And So if in fact, then there are some reports
Speaker 9: suggesting that he was in fact killed in that same neighborhood,
Speaker 9: it would suggest that he hadmitted ability to move, that
Speaker 9: his leadership role was coming to an end anyway, that
Speaker 9: the group was suffering a degree of division manufacture because
Speaker 9: of the ongoing assault. That is, all of which is
Speaker 9: going to be much worse. Now. If it's in fact
Speaker 9: confirmed that Sinwar is dead, it would be a blow
Speaker 9: to Hamas, a morale blow, a leadership blow, and obviously
Speaker 9: a pump big boost bra Israel and for premise event.
Speaker 1: Now, so it looks like Sinwar, the leader of Hamas,
Speaker 1: is dead. We've seen some pictures that Katie pulled up.
Speaker 1: He is dead dead These dead sure looks like him.
Speaker 1: It looks like his face and it's his watch. So
Speaker 1: unless it's an AI creation, but it came out of
Speaker 1: the IDF. So they're trying to prove to the world
Speaker 1: that they killed Sinwar.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they did a tooth comparison and he had the
Speaker 8: same mark on his ear as well. So they're doing
Speaker 8: all sorts of stuff showing everybody.
Speaker 1: So the guy that put together October seventh, the slaughter
Speaker 1: of all the Israelis and was promised saying thousands more
Speaker 1: if he could pull it off, is now dead. So
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. How much does that mean to
Speaker 1: the Middle East and US getting involved in Iran and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. We're gonna talk with Josh
Speaker 1: Rogan coming up next segment. Josh Rogan or the Washington Post.
Speaker 1: Really like him, super smart guy, good to talk to.
Speaker 1: I like when bad things happen to bad people. You know,
Speaker 1: we all struggle with the why do bad things happen
Speaker 1: to good people? We all struggle with that philosophically, and
Speaker 1: if you believe in God, how that whole thing Worksmen.
Speaker 2: I love when bad things happen to bad people. Years though.
Speaker 2: I'm dead.
Speaker 6: I'm dead.
Speaker 2: I'm dead. You know, I'm right, perfect, Michael, I'm dead.
Speaker 2: Because so that was the Nozrala, the leader of Hezbela,
Speaker 2: who Israel killed.
Speaker 5: Dead?
Speaker 2: He you did they killed him?
Speaker 1: What two weeks ago, week and a half ago, and
Speaker 1: now the leader they killed the leader of Hesbela and
Speaker 1: the leader of Hamas like a week and a half apart,
Speaker 1: and they've been trying to kill him. They've been trying
Speaker 1: to kill both these guys for years. So that's pretty
Speaker 1: damned interesting.
Speaker 2: All right. Later in the show, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: to Katie's dad.
Speaker 1: Your dad was a judge for many, many years, and
Speaker 1: I look forward to that conversation. I have a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of different things I want to ask him, like,
Speaker 1: do you have a rough idea how many cases he
Speaker 1: probably did?
Speaker 2: Oh? Boy, I know, but I know it's in the
Speaker 2: hundreds for just murders.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: M do different judges get murders and some judges don't?
Speaker 1: Or does every judge get everything?
Speaker 8: There's different departments, so there's criminal court, civil court, right,
Speaker 8: so he was a superior court, so he got all
Speaker 8: the real real sweethearts.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm on the other hand, some of that stuff would
Speaker 1: be boring af yea. My mom sat on a jury
Speaker 1: one time for a dispute between two homeowners over like
Speaker 1: a sewer pipe leaked and who's to blame for it?
Speaker 1: Just can you imagine anything more deathly dull than that
Speaker 1: sort of lawn missing work for that or being a
Speaker 1: lawyer trying to prosecute it. So you got to look
Speaker 1: up all the regulations around sewer lines and this and
Speaker 1: now no that, no kidden, I'd.
Speaker 2: Rather come in and do this.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to Josh Rogan and the wapole
Speaker 1: about all that important stuff.
Speaker 2: On the way. Stay here, Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 4: What we do have are multiple reports suggesting that they
Speaker 4: have got him. We know from his radio officials that
Speaker 4: they have a body someone who appears to be Yahya Sinoa.
Speaker 4: They have not conducted a DNA test on that body.
Speaker 7: I think we have to exercise extreme caution. Has been
Speaker 7: reported killed a number of times over the last more
Speaker 7: than a year now since this operation is in Gaza,
Speaker 7: has been ongoing. And what we do have for a
Speaker 7: number of photographs that are circulating online which some people
Speaker 7: suggest could be him, but again we have absolutely no confirmation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's him. I think in this case
Speaker 2: it is him. He is actually dead.
Speaker 1: I've seen the pictures myself, and you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: extracted his teeth or anything like that, but I think
Speaker 1: that Sinowar the leader of Hamas is dead. Josh Rogan,
Speaker 1: who are about to talk to who follows open source
Speaker 1: intelligence on Twitter just like we do, and they're reporting
Speaker 1: that both US and Israeli officials are concerned that the
Speaker 1: elimination of Sinoar may lead Hamas to execute the remaining
Speaker 1: hostages being held in Gaza, which obviously would be horrifying.
Speaker 1: Josh Rogan is the Global opinions columnist for the Washington Post,
Speaker 1: and he joins us again on the Armstrong and Getty Show. Josh,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the latest news?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, if true, one more terrorists off the
Speaker 5: face of the earth, that's a good thing. You know,
Speaker 5: this guy psychopaths blood of Americans, the blood of israelis,
Speaker 5: blood of Palestinians all over his hands. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: think we can take a moment and appreciate the fact
Speaker 5: that he's no longer breathing. After that, it doesn't seem
Speaker 5: like this is going to change much. To be honest,
Speaker 5: The war is going to go on. They'll find some
Speaker 5: other terrorists to lead a mosque sooner rather than later.
Speaker 5: It's not likely this will cause a breakthrough in the
Speaker 5: ceasefire talks because usually when you kill the guy who's
Speaker 5: in charge of the talks. That slows down the process. Anyway,
Speaker 5: the Israeli showing no intention of slowing down their new
Speaker 5: assaults in Gaza and in Lebanon. So this is gonna
Speaker 5: get worse before it gets better.
Speaker 1: Jack, I'm always fascinated in this question of killing a
Speaker 1: leader makes any difference. You know, if you killed Hitler,
Speaker 1: wouldn't of that made a big difference in the Nazi regime?
Speaker 1: Or is that like a particular example like bin Laden
Speaker 1: That is different with Hamas and Hesblow, where you get
Speaker 1: rid of one leader and you just get a different one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's important militarily, but not necessarily strategically.
Speaker 5: Hitler is kind of a different example. I mean, his
Speaker 5: own generals are trying to kill him, So if he
Speaker 5: had died, yeah, we could expect a big change in policy.
Speaker 5: I'm it's not exactly the same thing. But tactically it's
Speaker 5: a good accomplishment. It keeps the enemy on their toes,
Speaker 5: disrupts whatever they've got going on. Strategically, again, it's kind
Speaker 5: of like, okay, well then what and you know, we
Speaker 5: won every tactical military battle in Iraq and Afghanistan for
Speaker 5: twenty years and managed to lose both of those wars
Speaker 5: in a strategic sense. And it's not exactly the same thing,
Speaker 5: but you could see how that informs what's going on.
Speaker 2: With Israel now.
Speaker 5: They're getting very very good, probably the best at killing terrorists,
Speaker 5: but does that lead to piece and stability. I would
Speaker 5: like to hear how, you know, I would like to
Speaker 5: hear the theory of that case.
Speaker 1: So is it a big deal that we used our
Speaker 1: big B two bombers to bomb the Houthis yesterday?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well again, escalation, I think this is getting You know,
Speaker 5: you've got Lebanon, You've got an impending is Eraarli attack
Speaker 5: on Iran, a retaliation for the missiccial attack that we're
Speaker 5: still waiting for. You've got Gaza, and now you've got
Speaker 5: escalating war. And ye, I mean that's four right there, Syria,
Speaker 5: that's five. So that's five wars that Israel's in. And
Speaker 5: if Israel's in them, that means we're in them. It
Speaker 5: means our assets are being used, it means our men
Speaker 5: and women are involved, they're in danger, and we've got
Speaker 5: men and women all over that region that are in
Speaker 5: danger right now. So yeah, it's an escalation. And again,
Speaker 5: if the goal is to restore deterrence, to scare the
Speaker 5: bad guys and to stop fighting, Okay, I can understand that,
Speaker 5: But okay, is that happening? I don't think so, they
Speaker 5: don't seem deterred, and then what happens the day after?
Speaker 5: How do you get past this at some point? That's
Speaker 5: I think what everyone's really struggling to understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I didn't actually hear your podcast you're on
Speaker 1: with David Ignatius. Just how bad would the Middle East get?
Speaker 1: And I know it's a gas. The story that came
Speaker 1: out yesterday is Iran or Israel is ready to attack Iran.
Speaker 1: They are going to attack Iran before the presidential election.
Speaker 1: How do you see this playing out?
Speaker 5: Well, it depends what the attack is. I mean, Iran
Speaker 5: fired three hundred plustig miss was an Israel that that
Speaker 5: would be dangerous if they didn't respond to that. So
Speaker 5: they've got to do something. What they hit, how they
Speaker 5: do it, and whether or not it's sparks another escalatory
Speaker 5: round of attacks from Iran or Those decisions are all
Speaker 5: being made by the Israeli government. We don't really know
Speaker 5: what they are. We won't know until they see the attack. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is the problem of an escalation ladder once you
Speaker 5: get on and it's really hard to get off of it.
Speaker 5: And you know, we're making a calculation about Iran's deterrence,
Speaker 5: they're making a calculation about Israel's deterrence, and those calculations
Speaker 5: could be all wrong. They often are, and so in
Speaker 5: a way, it's just sort of like, what we're really
Speaker 5: contemplating here is the best case scenario is a long
Speaker 5: medium boil war like that we have this level of
Speaker 5: violence or slightly worse for years. That's that seems to
Speaker 5: be the wow the positive scenario. The negative scenario is
Speaker 5: that we escalate into something like a huge regional war,
Speaker 5: all at war with around or even a nuclear exchange.
Speaker 5: That's the downside risk.
Speaker 1: A nuclear exchange between the nuclear exchange between who.
Speaker 5: Well, Aaron is what one to two weeks away from
Speaker 5: having a nuclear weapon assembled. According to the essence, Israel
Speaker 5: has about one hundred to two hundred that they don't admit.
Speaker 5: We've got to Russias. You know, you eventually one of
Speaker 5: these actors could get desperate enough to use one. It
Speaker 5: could be the Russians using it in Ukraine, because that
Speaker 5: complex is connected to this one. Theironians are fighting in
Speaker 5: Ukraine now, the North Koreans are fighting in Ukraine, and
Speaker 5: you know, Russia supplying moss, Russia supplying has Belah. It's
Speaker 5: this is getting worse, not better. These conflicts are getting
Speaker 5: more connected, not less. And yeah, that's the slippery slope
Speaker 5: that we're facing. And yes, the nuclear exchange is absolutely
Speaker 5: the worst scenario, but there are a lot of perfectly
Speaker 5: terrible scenarios short of that.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And it gets very world warry when you
Speaker 1: start putting all those pieces together the way you just did.
Speaker 2: So we talked to I don't know if you know,
Speaker 2: go ahead, No, people.
Speaker 5: Forget that, like World War two didn't pop off in
Speaker 5: a day, about you know, ten years to really get cooking,
Speaker 5: you know. And we're into what year three of the
Speaker 5: Ukraine War and year two of the Israel War. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it might not be tomorrow, but this is how world
Speaker 5: wars get going.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In World War One, you know, the Psalm and the
Speaker 1: Germans and the Brits facing each other in France was
Speaker 1: a lot different than the assassination of Archiduke Ferdinand, but
Speaker 1: it all fit together exactly, So I don't know If
Speaker 1: you know Mike Liones, we had him on earlier. He's
Speaker 1: a military guy. He does a lot of stuff on
Speaker 1: CNN and we have him on regularly. He thinks we
Speaker 1: will that the administration is starting to get more aggressive,
Speaker 1: letting Israel take the gloves off, and that we will
Speaker 1: lay the groundwork in Iran by taking out some of
Speaker 1: their stuff that only we can do that and then
Speaker 1: let Israel do most of the attacking.
Speaker 2: But that would get us pretty involved. Do you think
Speaker 2: that's likely or no?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I think that's fine. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think gets fundamentally wrong in two respects. One is
Speaker 5: that you know the I don't think US military ass
Speaker 5: is going to be used to strike Iran. That's something
Speaker 5: Joe Biden is something he's not going to do, and
Speaker 5: even Donald Trump wouldn't do that. He'll they're perfectly happy
Speaker 5: to let our allies strike Iran, but using military assets
Speaker 5: to strike run crosses a line that No, I don't
Speaker 5: think that's promise sources and the miners. There's no way
Speaker 5: that they're going to take that stuff. And secondly, I
Speaker 5: don't see you know, I guess I agree with Mike
Speaker 5: that the administration is getting more formissive with the Israelis.
Speaker 5: But it's not because they're really enthusiastic about it. It's
Speaker 5: because Biden is a lame duck and the elections coming up,
Speaker 5: and they just don't have anything to do. The ceasefire
Speaker 5: talks are dead, you know, and they don't want it.
Speaker 5: They've already sort of lost the Muslim and narrow voters.
Speaker 5: If you're the Harris Walls campaign, so you might as
Speaker 5: well double down on your support from the pro Israel community.
Speaker 5: And the politics and the inertia and the basic laziness
Speaker 5: of a lame duck presidency all add up to just
Speaker 5: letting Israel do whatever it wants and then pretending. Remember
Speaker 5: Joe Biden said to the cameras that iSER stopped in Lebanon.
Speaker 5: He was against it, and then they did it, and
Speaker 5: when I was just like, oh no, it's a really
Speaker 5: great idea.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, they totally reversed it, right, right?
Speaker 5: So is that them taking an active stance and support
Speaker 5: of this. No, No, it's just them following events rather
Speaker 5: than shaping interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you think that should take this opportunity to take
Speaker 1: out their their nuclear facilities best that that can be done?
Speaker 5: That seems like a pretty risky plan, to be honest, Jack. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, take out their nuclear facilities.
Speaker 5: They got a lot of them. They're they're pretty well hidden,
Speaker 5: they're pretty well defended. If it doesn't work, then we're
Speaker 5: we're we're in it. You know, you can't attack someone's
Speaker 5: nuclear program and then not succeed. And you know it's
Speaker 5: a really hard target. Plus there's a lot of nuclear
Speaker 5: stuff at those targets. They could have a pretty bad
Speaker 5: effect if you blow it up. You know, I'm again again,
Speaker 5: I'm like against degrading Iran. I think that's a good idea,
Speaker 5: but it's you know, you have to sort of stop
Speaker 5: for a second and think, Okay, Iran doesn't really want
Speaker 5: a regional war. It's they've made that pretty clear. We
Speaker 5: don't want a regional war. Lebanies don't want a regional war.
Speaker 5: So maybe we can just you know, find a way
Speaker 5: to back away from the ledge, as we've done before,
Speaker 5: by the way, several times.
Speaker 1: Right, And that just doesn't feel like that's where things
Speaker 1: are headed, does it.
Speaker 5: No, No, it doesn't look good. I can't say it's
Speaker 5: looking that way. Yeah, I have to agree with your assessment.
Speaker 5: It's looking like things are getting worse, not better. That's
Speaker 5: that's the pattern. That's if you had to predict, you
Speaker 5: would have to say things are going to get worse
Speaker 5: before they get.
Speaker 1: Better, and not to just and not just to be
Speaker 1: the you know, the audio version of doom scrolling. But
Speaker 1: it isn't China getting more belligerent than they have been
Speaker 1: with their exercises around Taiwan and what they've been doing
Speaker 1: to the Navy and the Philippines.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is crazy idea sort of in Washington these
Speaker 5: days that you might have read in some papers. I
Speaker 5: want to mention about how sort of like, oh, China's different,
Speaker 5: you know, Russian around in North Korea. Sure they're aggressive
Speaker 5: and reckless and want to set back the West and redo,
Speaker 5: but China is different. They want stability in business. And
Speaker 5: you know, this is kind of a line that's also
Speaker 5: promoted by the Chinese government because it masks what they're
Speaker 5: actually doing, which is taking a much more sophisticated and
Speaker 5: clever approach to their aggression. They're not you know, bombing hospitals,
Speaker 5: they're just you know, harassing ships in the South China Sea,
Speaker 5: doing mock blockades of Taiwan. Every time, the time when
Speaker 5: he's president dares to open his mouth and you know,
Speaker 5: building up the biggest nuclear and missile force, biggest military
Speaker 5: expansion in history, and that is in a long term sense,
Speaker 5: much more dangerous and permicious, pernicious and aggressive than even
Speaker 5: what Russian and around in North Korea are doing right now.
Speaker 5: But because they're doing it slightly more quietly than their allies,
Speaker 5: we're totally missing it because you know, here we can
Speaker 5: only sort of follow one, maybe two international crazies at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 2: We don't have plus plus the Golden Bachelor's on, So
Speaker 2: you got that.
Speaker 5: Exactly. There's a lot going on. People are busy. But
Speaker 5: the truth is that, like the Chinese government is very
Speaker 5: intentional about you know, wrapping up their aggression in a
Speaker 5: way that it goes under our radar. That's exactly their strategy,
Speaker 5: and they have a lot of Americans who help them
Speaker 5: do it.
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Speaker 1: thinking about how much stretching has helped me. Here's a
Speaker 1: PSA for stretching. Yes, public service announcement for stretching, which
Speaker 1: I've been doing now for a couple of months. I
Speaker 1: think Joe got me started on it because he's big
Speaker 1: into stretching, because he's got a number of ailments that
Speaker 1: required by doctors to stretch. But I'm just I've always
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Speaker 1: bend over and pick something off the floor when I
Speaker 1: was thirty.
Speaker 9: I just.
Speaker 2: Probably the anger jacket's gotta be the anger. We're a
Speaker 2: non bendi people. My family.
Speaker 1: My brother when he was like I don't know how
Speaker 1: old he was, thirty five, his doctor told him he
Speaker 1: was the least flexible person he'd ever seen.
Speaker 2: So kind of runs in our genetics. I guess, okay, but.
Speaker 1: I've started stretching regularly. I do it every day, and now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I dropped someone. I used to if I drop something
Speaker 1: on the floor, I tell my kid Sam gonna come
Speaker 1: downstairs and they just bring up this pen for me.
Speaker 8: Or if you had to do it yourself and take
Speaker 8: you thirteen minutes to get back up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I gotta put one leg like this and
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Pick that pen up. But now now it's easy. But
Speaker 1: on my shoes pick things up off the floor just
Speaker 1: from stretching on a regular basis for the first time.
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like exactly. That's tape of me
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what, I think. Joe got me on
Speaker 8: the stretching thing as well. It's the first thing I
Speaker 8: do in the morning, and it's amazing the benefit that
Speaker 8: it has.
Speaker 1: It's for a couple of minutes, Yeah, it doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: it's just a habit. So many there are. There are
Speaker 1: good habits that take a lot of time and are difficulty,
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Speaker 1: lot of habits that are easy, like make your bed
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Speaker 1: at all, and if you just get in the habit.
Speaker 1: Trying and explain this to my kids yesterday. Habits are habits.
Speaker 1: Good habits are habits. Bad habits are habits. They're all
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Speaker 1: but it's also hard to quit a good habit.
Speaker 2: Like I've I've always I've been exercise.
Speaker 1: And for years and years and years and years, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to not exercise. Yeah, if it's it's
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Speaker 2: It feels weird, like the idea of.
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Speaker 1: I've created, thank God. And I hadn't had the habit
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Speaker 2: Very good. Yeah.
Speaker 8: One of the habits I guess I started this year
Speaker 8: was one of my New Year's resolution things, was if
Speaker 8: it takes less than a minute.
Speaker 2: Do it right now. That's a good one.
Speaker 8: If I see something, If I see the few things
Speaker 8: on the counter, I'm like, I'll grab them later. No,
Speaker 8: It'll take me less than a minute to pick those
Speaker 8: things up. So I'm doing it right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that was Joe's New Year's resolution quite
Speaker 1: a few years ago. His New Year's resolution was do
Speaker 1: it now, just applying to all of those things. Yeah
Speaker 1: that you think now, do that later. I could do
Speaker 1: that now. It's always a better idea to do it now.
Speaker 8: Boy, I was so good at procrastinating to man, so
Speaker 8: good just doing it later, and boy would things get
Speaker 8: backed up and I'd get.
Speaker 2: Stressed and pissed. Oh yeah, it's a weird thing.
Speaker 1: I've had that various belief about what procrastination is, what
Speaker 1: causes it. There's some I mean, there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: like it's you're you're you're making your life difficult on
Speaker 1: purpose out of some sort of either martyr thing or
Speaker 1: you don't feel good about yourself, and this helps reinforce
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Speaker 1: by putting these things off and putting yourself in a crunch.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if any of that's true or not, I.
Speaker 8: Think it was like a total depression anxiety thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's not laziness though, I don't think it's that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a weirder psychological thing. And I've also
Speaker 1: learned definitely over the years, if you get on a
Speaker 1: roll with something, take that as long as you can.
Speaker 1: You know how you can get on a cleaning roll,
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Speaker 1: Don't stop you go until you're like your hands are
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Speaker 8: You can't can't stand up straight, keep mopping.
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