WEBVTT - Horoscopes: Written in the Stars? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.400 Make your business official with Google and squar Space. When 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.360 you create a custom domain and a beautiful business website 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.479 with Squarespace, you receive a free year of business email 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.840 and professional tools from Google. It's the simplest way to 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:17.200 look professional online. Visits squarespace dot com slash Google to 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.600 start your free trial and use our offer code works 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.640 w O r k S for ten percent off your 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:29.160 first purchase Google in Squarespace, make your professional make it beautiful. Hey, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.240 everybody in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, we're also 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.120 looking at you. Oakland. We are coming out to Sketch 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.720 Fest this year again for the second year in a row, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.879 and we're doing it rare Sunday afternoon jam, so that 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.360 is Sunday, January at one pm. You can come see 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.159 us live and tickets are gonna go fast, So go 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.200 to s F sketch Fest dot com and just click 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.080 on the little ticket links or look at the lineup 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.880 and follow us there and we can't wait to see everyone. 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.640 It's one of our favorite cities to perform in and 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.800 uh go to s Sketch Fest dot com Oakland, San Francisco, 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.520 We will see you soon. Welcome to stuff you should 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:16.800 know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, you welcome 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:22.119 to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Ryant, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.720 and Jerry's over here and we're just relaxing here in 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.440 Studio one A. So this is stuff you should know. Oh, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:35.240 I thought it was astro chat. Yeah, that's what we 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.080 would call has a great name or horoscope or podcast? 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.720 I say horror scope. No, you shouldn't say that. No, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.960 would you ever want to do a horoscope or astrology podcast? 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.840 Oh do you mean on its own? Yeah? No, I 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.680 would not see that. Well, we were talking about this 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.920 briefly until I didn't do it this time, But normally, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.480 whenever this is a secret Chuck though about to share 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.560 with everybody. Yeah, if we start to talk and get 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:09.240 too involved in the topic before we start recording, usually 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.000 one of us will be like, stop, stop, this is 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.079 golden to save it for the podcast. We didn't do 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.000 that this time. I think we just kind of naturally 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:22.519 just continue conversations. But um, you were saying that you are, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.120 and I don't know if you're ready to admit this 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.600 or not this early in the episode. You're a little 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:31.880 incredulous about horoscopes and astrology. Yes, okay, um, I am 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.800 as well. But I think the difference between us is 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.120 you're just kind of like, come on. And as I 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.680 was researching it more and more, I was like, this 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.880 is really interesting. I could say here and read about 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.960 this like all day, and now that it's been brought up, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:49.040 I'm like, I could probably do a skeptical but not 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.320 with the aim to like destroy it, but just from 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:55.440 a skeptic standpoint podcast on astrology. I think that that 0:02:55.480 --> 0:03:03.000 would fascinate me personally, and like day maybe, so yeah, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.320 I think we we got on that because I was 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.040 having a hard time wrapping my head around a couple 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.919 of i'm not gonna say scientific parts but a couple 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.919 of the science sciency parts of this, and I kept 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.720 going back to like, who cares, It's not real, So 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.799 it's hard for me to commit to the learning of it. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.560 And and we typically have a thing where it's like, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.080 you know, poo poo people's beliefs. Yeah, we're not really 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.880 doing that here, but there have been a couple of 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.000 occasions where we just kind of like, this is there's 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:40.520 just no way. One of them was crop circles. Yeah, um, 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.440 I'm I don't plan on poop pooing this throughout. But 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.120 I think it's good for us to state our beliefs 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.440 from the get go, all right, so that we don't 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.360 mislead anybody who's who does believe in it. Well, here's 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.840 I did. I had my astrological chart done once. Um 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.360 you did. Yeah, I didn't like seek it out and 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.120 pay for it. My friend's mom is really into this, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.160 and she asked me one time, She's like, do you 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.800 want me to do your chart? And I'm sure? So 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.280 she did my chart and I remember looking at it 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.000 and thinking like, wow, a lot of this, you know. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.400 It kind of like when you look at your son 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.000 sign and we'll go ahead and say that's what most like, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.159 like when somebody says what sign are you? Yeah, or 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.400 if you read your daily horoscope, it's it's based on 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.160 your sun sign. Um. I would look at things like that, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.080 or like my whatever my year is on the Chinese zodiac, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.040 can think like, oh wow, I am some of these things. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.560 But then I'm like, not about half of those things. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.440 So uh, I just think it's interesting. And I think 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.120 it's interesting as well, but again from a standpoint of 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.839 where I don't actually believe it's effective or real. But 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.560 just the thought put into it. And Ed wrote this 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.839 article the Grabster, and he makes a really good point. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.600 He saying like, even if you don't believe it or 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.240 not getting your your chart done is interesting in and 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.320 of itself. I think so sure, And at the very least, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.560 it's going to force you to be a little more 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.120 introspective about yourself than than you normally would be, because 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.600 you're being presented with basically like here's your personality according 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.960 to the Cosmos, and it's you can't help but think, what, like, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.000 am I introspective? Am I do I set things on fire? 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.880 I think anything that can spur self reflection is valuable 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.919 in some ways. Yes, I think that's where interested. Like 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.240 I would go to a palm reader just to know 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.440 what that's like. But I wouldn't leave thinking like, oh boy, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.440 my life is set out for me. Yeah, exactly. You 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.880 know Nancy Reagan, Well we'll get to that, so but spoiler, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.840 I am not Nancy Reagan. We we should probably say 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.760 for those of you who are confused, they're like, how 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.320 are they pooh pooing this? Like this is the science 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.400 of of Niel's deGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan. I don't understand. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.960 We're talking about astrology, not astronomy. Um. So astrology is 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:05.520 basically the idea UM that distant objects out on the cosmos, planets, stars, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:11.839 constellations specifically have an influence on our lives and events 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:16.440 on the planet. And it's very old. Um. I saw 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.159 it as far back as five thousand years ago. People 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.440 were starting to develop astrological systems. UM. I saw more 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.680 frequently three thousand years ago with the Babylonians, that Western 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.040 astrology kind of started to develop. Should we talk about 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.360 history a little bit? I think I finally figured out 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.480 my beef with it. Should I hold on to that 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.880 or should we talk about history first? That's up to you, man, 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.880 how do you want it to play out? I just 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.280 don't forget if you hang onto it. All right, I'm 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.200 gonna write beef at the top of my page. It's 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:56.320 gonna you're gonna carrying yourself to shoot a duck later on. Okay, 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.720 So it's like memento. I'll come back to that. So 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.719 his street. Um, we need to go back in the 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:11.680 way back machine, the way way back to ancient times, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.200 to Babylon. Yeah, when basically people mean we are going 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:22.280 back to Babylon, basically when people were like looking around 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.720 at everything and going on, don't get it. Why is 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.320 all this stuff happening? Why did the earth just open 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.280 up and swallow fish mail? Why is it raining? Why 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.560 is it not raining? Why are the crops doing well? 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.800 Are they doing terribly? Yeah? Why why is that sun? Uh? 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.880 Up half the day and down half the day. Uh So, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.160 as humans started to get a little more I don't 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.800 know about intelligent, but um, inquisitive, inquisitive. I was about 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.240 to say, answer seeky, but inquisitive is the word for that. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.880 As they started to get a little more answer seeky, 0:07:55.920 --> 0:08:00.640 they started to make things up. Um that made them 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.760 feel better about what was going on, right, I mean 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.840 they they did apply a certain measure of science too, 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.600 which is where a lot of people who believe in 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.120 astrology get the idea that it's scientific at some in 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.480 some way, shape or form, because it does involve the movement, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.560 studying and tracking the movement of the planets and the 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.000 constellations the cosmos. Right, Yeah, And that makes a good point. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.000 Back then, astronomy and astrology were the same thing, right, right, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.480 Because you took those observations astronomy and then you you 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.640 used them to predict or explain the stuff that was 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.680 going on here on Earth, which we now call astrology, right, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.840 but yeah, I don't even know what they called it 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.720 back then. They called it reality, probably so. But it 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.480 wasn't just the Babylonians who were doing this, Like all 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.760 over the planet. Basically every culture that's ever lived had 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.600 some sort of astrological system. Yeah, the Aztec and Incas 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.160 and the mines in South America they had zodiac of 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:05.440 twenty symbols, including things like earthquake and ape and rain 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.720 and um. When they died out they took it with them, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.080 like that doesn't have any that didn't seep into modern 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:19.400 forms of astrology, like the Babylonians. No Spanish Jesuit was saying, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.520 so can you explain your astrological system to an Inca 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.080 emperor that was being tortured to death? Uh? What else? 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.679 The Chinese, of course, they had their own um by 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.960 a thousand BC, and they had twenty four divisions in 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.280 a year. Yeah, they had like the most complex one 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.080 probably of all time. Not surprising. Um, I don't know 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.440 why that's not surprising. They're complex people. Maybe. Well, when 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.800 I think of the zodiac, I think of the Western 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.400 zodiac and then Chinese zodiac. Yeah, me too. And the 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.960 only thing I knew about Chinese zodiac coming in was 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.920 what year animal? I was what are you? From the 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.800 menu at the Chinese restaurant? That's where I learned it too. Yeah, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:06.559 I'm the dog. Oh, I'm a dragon wolf? Jerry? Are 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.400 you a cat? She just me out that that was weird. 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:17.680 It was her first instant. There is a year the cat? Huh? 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.440 That al Stewart's song Are you the Year of the fish? Jerry? 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.720 All right? Jerry's said that she was the ox year 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.480 of the Ox. But when but when she's called upon 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.000 to do it? Animals sound? I think it's cute. What 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.800 if oxes oxen me out? Maybe an ox that was 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.360 raised by cats and it imprinted might learn to me out. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.400 I think that's what Jerry was saying. This is getting silly. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.800 So the horoscope points getting silly. It is is there 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.880 gas looking in? Uh? One of our events that I 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.000 don't know about? Um? All right, So back to China. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.560 UM twenty four divisions twenty eight part lunar zodiac and 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.200 then the twelve branches that correspond to the animal, and 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.200 then those animals have further subdivisions. Uh, like you could 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.960 be a fire dog or a water dragon, right, which 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.640 we'll get to that stuff in a minute too. Yeah. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.560 And I didn't know that you could be like an 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.280 elemental animal. I thought it was just straight up animal. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.040 I did not know that either. Yeah. Like, that's one 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.720 thing about astrology. No matter what system you're looking at, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.199 there's like, oh, there's this one layer and then let's 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.560 add this other layer and another layer in another layer. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.640 That's so fascinates me. It's just the thought that's going 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.760 into it. What about Babylon though, what do you mean? Well, 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.560 I mean, ohh that's like the origin of the Western Yeah, 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:43.280 and here is where it becomes painfully obvious that astrology 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.280 can't possibly be correct or real. You know what you're 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.520 about to say. So our idea of the constellations here 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.360 in the West came from the ancient Babylonian people and 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.960 astronomers and astrologers who looked up and they said, oh, 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.320 Mars is red, so blog can be read. So Mars 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.000 is probably associated with war. Right. They just kind of 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.240 just made that up. They made it up, and that 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.200 is fundamentally the basis of astrology. Stuff that was made 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:18.480 up by the Babylonians can't possibly be true. It's just 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.240 basically a fact. The other big thing is the Babylonians 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.280 divided the zodiac into twelve equal parts. But um, according 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.719 to their own stories, there were thirteen constellations in the zodiac, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.920 so they just picked one and left it out. Yes, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:41.480 which was choose? I like how you said that? I 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.360 don't know, man, I've never tried to say that out loud. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.120 O P h I U C h U S. It's 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.360 like the hidden zodiac symbol, well, not hidden. They just 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.400 kind of said, twelve kind of works out better, so 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.920 let's just leave it out. Yeah. And if the Babylonians 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.760 prove anything, it's that for thousands of years humans have 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.160 all has preferred things to be nice and tidy and neat. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.320 They don't like it to be messy because if you 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.560 really look at what they were trying to do, it's 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.839 super messy. So, for example, if you are dividing the 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.600 night sky into twelve, trying to assign a month to 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:19.480 each horoscope, you've got constellations slopping over into other um 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.760 zodiac signs. UM. The the actual movement of the constellations 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:29.600 behind the sun UH is way less than a thirty 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.440 day standard. I think Scorpio is actually in line with 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.720 the sun for about seven days out of the year, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.520 whereas um, one of one of the other ones is 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.800 around for like forty five days. I believe. I don't 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.520 think we even said what that means, though, maybe we're 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.160 we should we should start from the beginning, should we? 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.280 We got the history down? Do you want to take 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.079 a break first? Uh? Yeah, why not. I'll go to 0:13:53.120 --> 0:14:14.920 check my horsecope and see if it says we should continue. Okay, Well, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.160 lucky for us, the horoscope said finished show. It said 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.800 ask again. Later it said finished show. Take it easy 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.720 on me, Yeah, he layoff jerks. I had even resolved 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:31.360 to not poo poo astrology. I think the first thing 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.360 I did was launched into it. Yeah, I'm sorry, astrology. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.240 So we should get to the basics of all this, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:44.960 and um, we will this. There's two things that we 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.720 have to point out. One, we would have to spend 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:54.080 years researching astrology to really get everything right. Too, even 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.280 if we spent years researching astrology, we would still get 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.680 stuff wrong depending on who you are, because there's a 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.640 of contradictory things like, for example, I saw that the 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.520 moon is a fire sign. Also saw that the moon 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.360 is associated with water. How is that? Well, I think 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.600 there's just been so many permutations over the years that 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.320 it's you know, been kind of mixed together. Okay, so 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.760 we are going to get things that will contradict your 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.400 understanding of astrology, I'm quite sure. But for the most part, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.080 I feel like if we're sticking to the basics of it, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.480 we can get it fairly right, right, Yeah, I mean 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.280 the most basic thing is sun sign astrology, which is 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.800 really just seeing where each planet was when you were 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.520 born the day you were born. That's the most simplistic 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.760 way to look at it, right, And when you ask 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:46.280 somebody what's your sign? What's your sign? See, okay, I'm cancer. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.800 All that's say is that on the date of our births, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:57.280 the Pisces constellation allegedly was behind the sun as it rose, right, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.520 and when I was born, the Cancer constellation was behind 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.080 the sun when it rose, and the I like to 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.480 take the sunshine a little brighter when we were born. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.600 But probably I can't prove that, no, but you can 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.000 just make a pretty good assumption. So, um, the way 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.840 that you do this is you basically take the Sun 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.000 and the Earth in its orbit around the Sun, which 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.760 equals a year. And you draw a line, an arrow 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.840 even from the Earth and may put it flat, like 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.560 it flat? I forgot to say that. Uh, And you 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.880 make it. You draw an arrow from the Earth through 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.960 the Sun and then out the other side of the Sun. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.120 And wherever that arrow is pointing, which is actually what 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.880 the opposite side of the Sun, opposite to Earth, whatever 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.800 constellation that is, that's your sun. Right, Pretty simple stuff. Right, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.680 So you can think of the if if you've thought 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:51.680 of a circle around each if you looked at it 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.200 as a circle, each sign would be its own little 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.760 zone zone exactly. A pizza slice, a pie slice, whatever. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.480 If you have a sweet tooth or a salty tooth, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.000 you're gonna go with either one of those. What about cake? 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.080 I guess a cake too. Are you cake or pie both? 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:14.440 Mm hmm. What's your favorite cake? I like a good 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:20.400 coconut cream cake or coconut frosting cake. I like, um, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:25.960 it's your favorite pie? Probably cream pie? No, actually that 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.680 sounds gross. I would say a key a good key 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.440 lime pie. But what does cheesecake constitute pie? I think 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.440 you've just opened up a Hornet's nest. Well, I love cheesecake. Basically, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.240 I don't really discriminate. I've learned. I recently started trying 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.240 cherry pie, and I was like, where have you been 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.400 my whole life? Why did I ever discriminate against you know, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.719 it's just been sitting there in the pie safe, rotting 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.000 because no one eats cherry pie anymore. Yeah, and then 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.040 I came along and ate all the rotten cherry pie 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.680 and loved it all right, what about you cake pie? Oh? 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.960 I love the good key lime pies like you were saying. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.240 But um, I don't eat a lot of either. You know, 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.200 I don't just keep like cake and pie around the house. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.440 And I don't really eat dessert in the restaurants either. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.960 Um so just neither. Probably more cake, just because cakes 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:24.040 are the occasion dessert, like people bringing cake for birthdays 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.520 or whatever. Any any like Public's cake is awesome, their 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:32.159 standard cake with cream icing. Yeah, yeah, I never had it. Oh, chuck, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.080 I slice. I like a good pecan pie. I eat. 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.320 I eat the pecan now, But I used to not 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.920 like the nuts. I would just slice that off because 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.439 I like the jelly. You'd give rid of the candy 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.080 pecans yeah, but I don't now because now I'm growing up. Okay, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:52.800 I just eat the jelly man pecan pie, pumpkin pie. Sure, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.720 all right, I'm going all in on pie now that 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.080 I think about it. Okay, pie, wait till you try 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.280 the public's cake. Then where are we? Oh? Sorry? We 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.280 were talking about how slices, right, and each of one 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:09.560 of those slices one of the twelve constellations of the zodiac. Right. Okay, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:14.159 So wherever wherever the Earth, whatever constellation is opposite the 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.199 Earth on the other side of the sign, that's your 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:21.240 sun sign. And when you were born, that constellation has 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.920 a bunch of different personality traits and they are basically 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.920 imbued onto you. You were born under that sign, which 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.439 means you're going to have those personality traits. That's the 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.000 point of what's called the sun sign. That's right. Um. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.280 In western astrology there you can subdivide it into three 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.560 groups mundane astrology, and this is basically what what is 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.600 your aim uh with these Mundane astrology is examines world 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.520 events and makes predictions about big things like the economy 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:55.959 and war. Uh. Interrogatory astrology. It seeks to make predictions 0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:00.639 very specific ones or analyzes for for like events or 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.080 your life, maybe like for you the individual. Yeah, more 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.240 like you say, it's like when you when somebody says 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.760 they'll consult the stars to see what the best course 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.560 of action is. That's what they're talking about, which seems 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.760 like it overlaps with uh the last one. I think 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.840 all three of them could definite. Like, if you're doing 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:21.280 like a serious chart to figure out something you you 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.800 would probably do all three. So what would that be? 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:29.240 Natal astrology? Uh? Birth astrology? Yeah, and that's when you 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.480 read your daily horoscope. Uh. And that's based on the 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:37.160 idea that everything that happens to someone is expressed by 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.080 the very beginning, like that moment you were born, right, 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.440 But ironically the moment you're born, not the moment you 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.359 were conceived. So really that's when the astrology starts, not 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.160 the moment you were conceived, but the moment you were born. Right. 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.679 But the idea, this law of beginning says that the 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.400 moment you're born, the stars basically make everything in your 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.160 life predestined and therefore predictable if the person knows how 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.600 to read the stars correctly. That's the basis of astrology. Yeah, 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.919 and then what you would come up with these predictions 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:11.520 this chart that is your horoscope, that's right, and then uh, 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.280 there are different um the signs that can be subgrouped 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.240 into four elements you've heard of, Like I'm a water sign, 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.720 your water sign. We're both water signs, how about that? Yeah, 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:30.240 so fire sign that would be Aries Leo, Sagittarius uh enthusiasm, action, leadership, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.840 open to change. Water signs besides cancer and Pisces who 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:40.920 get Scorpio um emotion, sensitivity and compassion. Earth signs Taurus Virgo, 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:45.480 Capricorn practicality and to focus on material goals. And then 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.840 air signs Jim and I Libra and Aquarius uh Into 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:54.080 signifies intellect, and those are the big groupings, the elemental groupings, right, 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.240 So here we've kind of come up with another layer, right, Yeah, 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.359 Like since each each sign and on its own has 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:06.639 its own qualities like for example, um, the cancer is 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:11.560 a very domestic, imaginative, thorough shy, interested in the past 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.120 and tradition. That's me all over? Is it really all 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:19.240 those things? Yeah? Basically, Um, but the then you lay 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.520 over the water sign, right that it's a water sign, 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.200 so that adds to the emotion or the sensitivity or 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.000 the compassion of it. That the where it really starts 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.480 to get interesting is the idea that there's a relationship 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:38.320 between the element and the sign, and those are with 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:43.879 the cardinal fixed or mutable um right, whether or not 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:48.720 you're resistant to change, you're able to change, or what's 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.920 cardinal just general movement. Cardinal is that it moves right. 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.680 So so these three things, it's like a whole other 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.399 layer and and basically um so they had to do 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.520 with the solsticism that equal an ox is. We should say. 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:07.280 There's a couple of kinds of Western astrology. One is sidereal, 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.040 which follows the movement of the stars, so your birth 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.720 sign is sidereal astrology. There's another one called tropical that 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.520 really just has nothing to do with the stars. It's 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:22.720 the idea that around the in the cosmos, the zodiac 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.159 is fixed and it really has nothing to do with 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.040 the stars. It has to do with the sun's relative 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:29.960 position to the horizon, so it has to do with 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.400 things like solstices and equinoxes. So when you go into 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:37.400 the tropical um type of astrology, that's when the cardinal 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.720 fixed a mutable comes up. So a cardinal sign right, 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:47.160 each element has a cardinal sign, so there's four cardinal signs, 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.879 and for example, cancer is the cardinal water sign. Right. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.600 Each element also has four fixed signs, so Leo is 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:00.000 the fixed fire sign that has to do with like persistence, perseverance, 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:05.600 resistance to change. And then lastly, mutable means you're flexible, adaptable, suggestible, 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.639 and Gemini is a mutable air sign. There's four different 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:10.560 mutable air signs, right, So you put them all together, 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.359 and what you have is in our interaction between the 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:18.320 elements and the signs themselves, so that you have sometimes 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:23.040 contradictory stuff, you have things that enhance other things. But 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.040 it's yet another layer. So now you have three layers 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:30.240 deep of interpretations just the signs, and it's up to 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:36.760 an astrologer to um ex extract whatever however they want 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.760 to read it. Basically like, it makes a point. You 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.720 can ask a hundred different astrologers to look at your 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.640 your chart and they might give you a hundred different readings. Yeah, 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:51.040