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Welcome to stuff you should 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, you welcome 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Ryant, 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: and Jerry's over here and we're just relaxing here in 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Studio one A. So this is stuff you should know. Oh, 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was astro chat. Yeah, that's what we 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: would call has a great name or horoscope or podcast? 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: I say horror scope. No, you shouldn't say that. No, 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: would you ever want to do a horoscope or astrology podcast? 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Oh do you mean on its own? Yeah? No, I 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: would not see that. Well, we were talking about this 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: briefly until I didn't do it this time, But normally, 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: whenever this is a secret Chuck though about to share 33 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: with everybody. Yeah, if we start to talk and get 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: too involved in the topic before we start recording, usually 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: one of us will be like, stop, stop, this is 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: golden to save it for the podcast. We didn't do 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: that this time. I think we just kind of naturally 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: just continue conversations. But um, you were saying that you are, 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you're ready to admit this 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: or not this early in the episode. You're a little 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: incredulous about horoscopes and astrology. Yes, okay, um, I am 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: as well. But I think the difference between us is 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, come on. And as I 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: was researching it more and more, I was like, this 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: is really interesting. I could say here and read about 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: this like all day, and now that it's been brought up, 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I could probably do a skeptical but not 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: with the aim to like destroy it, but just from 49 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: a skeptic standpoint podcast on astrology. I think that that 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: would fascinate me personally, and like day maybe, so yeah, 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: I think we we got on that because I was 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: having a hard time wrapping my head around a couple 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: of i'm not gonna say scientific parts but a couple 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: of the science sciency parts of this, and I kept 55 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: going back to like, who cares, It's not real, So 56 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to commit to the learning of it. 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: And and we typically have a thing where it's like, 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, poo poo people's beliefs. Yeah, we're not really 59 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: doing that here, but there have been a couple of 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: occasions where we just kind of like, this is there's 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: just no way. One of them was crop circles. Yeah, um, 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm I don't plan on poop pooing this throughout. But 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: I think it's good for us to state our beliefs 64 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: from the get go, all right, so that we don't 65 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: mislead anybody who's who does believe in it. Well, here's 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: I did. I had my astrological chart done once. Um 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, I didn't like seek it out and 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: pay for it. My friend's mom is really into this, 69 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: and she asked me one time, She's like, do you 70 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: want me to do your chart? And I'm sure? So 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: she did my chart and I remember looking at it 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: and thinking like, wow, a lot of this, you know. 73 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: It kind of like when you look at your son 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: sign and we'll go ahead and say that's what most like, 75 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: like when somebody says what sign are you? Yeah, or 76 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: if you read your daily horoscope, it's it's based on 77 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: your sun sign. Um. I would look at things like that, 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: or like my whatever my year is on the Chinese zodiac, 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: can think like, oh wow, I am some of these things. 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: But then I'm like, not about half of those things. 81 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: So uh, I just think it's interesting. And I think 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: it's interesting as well, but again from a standpoint of 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: where I don't actually believe it's effective or real. But 84 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: just the thought put into it. And Ed wrote this 85 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: article the Grabster, and he makes a really good point. 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: He saying like, even if you don't believe it or 87 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: not getting your your chart done is interesting in and 88 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: of itself. I think so sure, And at the very least, 89 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: it's going to force you to be a little more 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: introspective about yourself than than you normally would be, because 91 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: you're being presented with basically like here's your personality according 92 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: to the Cosmos, and it's you can't help but think, what, like, 93 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: am I introspective? Am I do I set things on fire? 94 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: I think anything that can spur self reflection is valuable 95 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: in some ways. Yes, I think that's where interested. Like 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: I would go to a palm reader just to know 97 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: what that's like. But I wouldn't leave thinking like, oh boy, 98 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: my life is set out for me. Yeah, exactly. You 99 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: know Nancy Reagan, Well we'll get to that, so but spoiler, 100 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: I am not Nancy Reagan. We we should probably say 101 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: for those of you who are confused, they're like, how 102 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: are they pooh pooing this? Like this is the science 103 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: of of Niel's deGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan. I don't understand. 104 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about astrology, not astronomy. Um. So astrology is 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: basically the idea UM that distant objects out on the cosmos, planets, stars, 106 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: constellations specifically have an influence on our lives and events 107 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: on the planet. And it's very old. Um. I saw 108 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: it as far back as five thousand years ago. People 109 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: were starting to develop astrological systems. UM. I saw more 110 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: frequently three thousand years ago with the Babylonians, that Western 111 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: astrology kind of started to develop. Should we talk about 112 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: history a little bit? I think I finally figured out 113 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: my beef with it. Should I hold on to that 114 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: or should we talk about history first? That's up to you, man, 115 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: how do you want it to play out? I just 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: don't forget if you hang onto it. All right, I'm 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: gonna write beef at the top of my page. It's 118 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna carrying yourself to shoot a duck later on. Okay, 119 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: So it's like memento. I'll come back to that. So 120 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: his street. Um, we need to go back in the 121 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: way back machine, the way way back to ancient times, 122 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: to Babylon. Yeah, when basically people mean we are going 123 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: back to Babylon, basically when people were like looking around 124 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: at everything and going on, don't get it. Why is 125 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: all this stuff happening? Why did the earth just open 126 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: up and swallow fish mail? Why is it raining? Why 127 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: is it not raining? Why are the crops doing well? 128 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: Are they doing terribly? Yeah? Why why is that sun? Uh? 129 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: Up half the day and down half the day. Uh So, 130 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: as humans started to get a little more I don't 131 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: know about intelligent, but um, inquisitive, inquisitive. I was about 132 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: to say, answer seeky, but inquisitive is the word for that. 133 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: As they started to get a little more answer seeky, 134 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: they started to make things up. Um that made them 135 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: feel better about what was going on, right, I mean 136 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: they they did apply a certain measure of science too, 137 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: which is where a lot of people who believe in 138 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: astrology get the idea that it's scientific at some in 139 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, because it does involve the movement, 140 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: studying and tracking the movement of the planets and the 141 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: constellations the cosmos. Right, Yeah, And that makes a good point. 142 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Back then, astronomy and astrology were the same thing, right, right, 143 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Because you took those observations astronomy and then you you 144 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: used them to predict or explain the stuff that was 145 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: going on here on Earth, which we now call astrology, right, 146 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't even know what they called it 147 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: back then. They called it reality, probably so. But it 148 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: wasn't just the Babylonians who were doing this, Like all 149 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: over the planet. Basically every culture that's ever lived had 150 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: some sort of astrological system. Yeah, the Aztec and Incas 151 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: and the mines in South America they had zodiac of 152 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: twenty symbols, including things like earthquake and ape and rain 153 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: and um. When they died out they took it with them, 154 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: like that doesn't have any that didn't seep into modern 155 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: forms of astrology, like the Babylonians. No Spanish Jesuit was saying, 156 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: so can you explain your astrological system to an Inca 157 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: emperor that was being tortured to death? Uh? What else? 158 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: The Chinese, of course, they had their own um by 159 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: a thousand BC, and they had twenty four divisions in 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, they had like the most complex one 161 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: probably of all time. Not surprising. Um, I don't know 162 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: why that's not surprising. They're complex people. Maybe. Well, when 163 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I think of the zodiac, I think of the Western 164 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: zodiac and then Chinese zodiac. Yeah, me too. And the 165 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: only thing I knew about Chinese zodiac coming in was 166 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: what year animal? I was what are you? From the 167 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: menu at the Chinese restaurant? That's where I learned it too. Yeah, 168 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: I'm the dog. Oh, I'm a dragon wolf? Jerry? Are 169 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: you a cat? She just me out that that was weird. 170 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: It was her first instant. There is a year the cat? Huh? 171 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: That al Stewart's song Are you the Year of the fish? Jerry? 172 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: All right? Jerry's said that she was the ox year 173 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: of the Ox. But when but when she's called upon 174 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: to do it? Animals sound? I think it's cute. What 175 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: if oxes oxen me out? Maybe an ox that was 176 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: raised by cats and it imprinted might learn to me out. 177 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: I think that's what Jerry was saying. This is getting silly. 178 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: So the horoscope points getting silly. It is is there 179 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: gas looking in? Uh? One of our events that I 180 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: don't know about? Um? All right, So back to China. 181 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: UM twenty four divisions twenty eight part lunar zodiac and 182 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: then the twelve branches that correspond to the animal, and 183 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: then those animals have further subdivisions. Uh, like you could 184 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: be a fire dog or a water dragon, right, which 185 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: we'll get to that stuff in a minute too. Yeah. 186 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: And I didn't know that you could be like an 187 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: elemental animal. I thought it was just straight up animal. 188 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: I did not know that either. Yeah. Like, that's one 189 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: thing about astrology. No matter what system you're looking at, 190 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: there's like, oh, there's this one layer and then let's 191 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: add this other layer and another layer in another layer. 192 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: That's so fascinates me. It's just the thought that's going 193 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: into it. What about Babylon though, what do you mean? Well, 194 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, ohh that's like the origin of the Western Yeah, 195 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: and here is where it becomes painfully obvious that astrology 196 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: can't possibly be correct or real. You know what you're 197 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: about to say. So our idea of the constellations here 198 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: in the West came from the ancient Babylonian people and 199 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: astronomers and astrologers who looked up and they said, oh, 200 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: Mars is red, so blog can be read. So Mars 201 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: is probably associated with war. Right. They just kind of 202 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: just made that up. They made it up, and that 203 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: is fundamentally the basis of astrology. Stuff that was made 204 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: up by the Babylonians can't possibly be true. It's just 205 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: basically a fact. The other big thing is the Babylonians 206 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: divided the zodiac into twelve equal parts. But um, according 207 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: to their own stories, there were thirteen constellations in the zodiac, 208 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: so they just picked one and left it out. Yes, 209 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: which was choose? I like how you said that? I 210 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I've never tried to say that out loud. 211 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: O P h I U C h U S. It's 212 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: like the hidden zodiac symbol, well, not hidden. They just 213 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: kind of said, twelve kind of works out better, so 214 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: let's just leave it out. Yeah. And if the Babylonians 215 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: prove anything, it's that for thousands of years humans have 216 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: all has preferred things to be nice and tidy and neat. 217 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: They don't like it to be messy because if you 218 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: really look at what they were trying to do, it's 219 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: super messy. So, for example, if you are dividing the 220 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: night sky into twelve, trying to assign a month to 221 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: each horoscope, you've got constellations slopping over into other um 222 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: zodiac signs. UM. The the actual movement of the constellations 223 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: behind the sun UH is way less than a thirty 224 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: day standard. I think Scorpio is actually in line with 225 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: the sun for about seven days out of the year, 226 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: whereas um, one of one of the other ones is 227 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: around for like forty five days. I believe. I don't 228 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: think we even said what that means, though, maybe we're 229 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: we should we should start from the beginning, should we? 230 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: We got the history down? Do you want to take 231 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: a break first? Uh? Yeah, why not. I'll go to 232 00:13:53,120 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: check my horsecope and see if it says we should continue. Okay, Well, 233 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: lucky for us, the horoscope said finished show. It said 234 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: ask again. Later it said finished show. Take it easy 235 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: on me, Yeah, he layoff jerks. I had even resolved 236 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: to not poo poo astrology. I think the first thing 237 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: I did was launched into it. Yeah, I'm sorry, astrology. 238 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: So we should get to the basics of all this, 239 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: and um, we will this. There's two things that we 240 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: have to point out. One, we would have to spend 241 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: years researching astrology to really get everything right. Too, even 242 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: if we spent years researching astrology, we would still get 243 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: stuff wrong depending on who you are, because there's a 244 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: of contradictory things like, for example, I saw that the 245 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: moon is a fire sign. Also saw that the moon 246 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: is associated with water. How is that? Well, I think 247 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: there's just been so many permutations over the years that 248 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, been kind of mixed together. Okay, so 249 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: we are going to get things that will contradict your 250 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: understanding of astrology, I'm quite sure. But for the most part, 251 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: I feel like if we're sticking to the basics of it, 252 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: we can get it fairly right, right, Yeah, I mean 253 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: the most basic thing is sun sign astrology, which is 254 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: really just seeing where each planet was when you were 255 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: born the day you were born. That's the most simplistic 256 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: way to look at it, right, And when you ask 257 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: somebody what's your sign? What's your sign? See, okay, I'm cancer. 258 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: All that's say is that on the date of our births, 259 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: the Pisces constellation allegedly was behind the sun as it rose, right, 260 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: and when I was born, the Cancer constellation was behind 261 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: the sun when it rose, and the I like to 262 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: take the sunshine a little brighter when we were born. 263 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: But probably I can't prove that, no, but you can 264 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: just make a pretty good assumption. So, um, the way 265 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: that you do this is you basically take the Sun 266 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: and the Earth in its orbit around the Sun, which 267 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: equals a year. And you draw a line, an arrow 268 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: even from the Earth and may put it flat, like 269 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: it flat? I forgot to say that. Uh, And you 270 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: make it. You draw an arrow from the Earth through 271 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: the Sun and then out the other side of the Sun. 272 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: And wherever that arrow is pointing, which is actually what 273 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: the opposite side of the Sun, opposite to Earth, whatever 274 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: constellation that is, that's your sun. Right, Pretty simple stuff. Right, 275 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: So you can think of the if if you've thought 276 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: of a circle around each if you looked at it 277 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: as a circle, each sign would be its own little 278 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: zone zone exactly. A pizza slice, a pie slice, whatever. 279 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: If you have a sweet tooth or a salty tooth, 280 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna go with either one of those. What about cake? 281 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: I guess a cake too. Are you cake or pie both? 282 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. What's your favorite cake? I like a good 283 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: coconut cream cake or coconut frosting cake. I like, um, 284 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: it's your favorite pie? Probably cream pie? No, actually that 285 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: sounds gross. I would say a key a good key 286 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: lime pie. But what does cheesecake constitute pie? I think 287 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: you've just opened up a Hornet's nest. Well, I love cheesecake. Basically, 288 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't really discriminate. I've learned. I recently started trying 289 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: cherry pie, and I was like, where have you been 290 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: my whole life? Why did I ever discriminate against you know, 291 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: it's just been sitting there in the pie safe, rotting 292 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: because no one eats cherry pie anymore. Yeah, and then 293 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: I came along and ate all the rotten cherry pie 294 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: and loved it all right, what about you cake pie? Oh? 295 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: I love the good key lime pies like you were saying. 296 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: But um, I don't eat a lot of either. You know, 297 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't just keep like cake and pie around the house. 298 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: And I don't really eat dessert in the restaurants either. 299 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: Um so just neither. Probably more cake, just because cakes 300 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: are the occasion dessert, like people bringing cake for birthdays 301 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. Any any like Public's cake is awesome, their 302 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: standard cake with cream icing. Yeah, yeah, I never had it. Oh, chuck, 303 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: I slice. I like a good pecan pie. I eat. 304 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: I eat the pecan now, But I used to not 305 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: like the nuts. I would just slice that off because 306 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: I like the jelly. You'd give rid of the candy 307 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: pecans yeah, but I don't now because now I'm growing up. Okay, 308 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: I just eat the jelly man pecan pie, pumpkin pie. Sure, 309 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: all right, I'm going all in on pie now that 310 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: I think about it. Okay, pie, wait till you try 311 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: the public's cake. Then where are we? Oh? Sorry? We 312 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: were talking about how slices, right, and each of one 313 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: of those slices one of the twelve constellations of the zodiac. Right. Okay, 314 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: So wherever wherever the Earth, whatever constellation is opposite the 315 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: Earth on the other side of the sign, that's your 316 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: sun sign. And when you were born, that constellation has 317 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of different personality traits and they are basically 318 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: imbued onto you. You were born under that sign, which 319 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: means you're going to have those personality traits. That's the 320 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: point of what's called the sun sign. That's right. Um. 321 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: In western astrology there you can subdivide it into three 322 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: groups mundane astrology, and this is basically what what is 323 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: your aim uh with these Mundane astrology is examines world 324 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: events and makes predictions about big things like the economy 325 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: and war. Uh. Interrogatory astrology. It seeks to make predictions 326 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: very specific ones or analyzes for for like events or 327 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: your life, maybe like for you the individual. Yeah, more 328 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: like you say, it's like when you when somebody says 329 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: they'll consult the stars to see what the best course 330 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: of action is. That's what they're talking about, which seems 331 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: like it overlaps with uh the last one. I think 332 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: all three of them could definite. Like, if you're doing 333 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: like a serious chart to figure out something you you 334 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: would probably do all three. So what would that be? 335 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: Natal astrology? Uh? Birth astrology? Yeah, and that's when you 336 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: read your daily horoscope. Uh. And that's based on the 337 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: idea that everything that happens to someone is expressed by 338 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: the very beginning, like that moment you were born, right, 339 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: But ironically the moment you're born, not the moment you 340 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: were conceived. So really that's when the astrology starts, not 341 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: the moment you were conceived, but the moment you were born. Right. 342 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: But the idea, this law of beginning says that the 343 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: moment you're born, the stars basically make everything in your 344 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: life predestined and therefore predictable if the person knows how 345 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: to read the stars correctly. That's the basis of astrology. Yeah, 346 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: and then what you would come up with these predictions 347 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: this chart that is your horoscope, that's right, and then uh, 348 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: there are different um the signs that can be subgrouped 349 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: into four elements you've heard of, Like I'm a water sign, 350 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: your water sign. We're both water signs, how about that? Yeah, 351 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: so fire sign that would be Aries Leo, Sagittarius uh enthusiasm, action, leadership, 352 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: open to change. Water signs besides cancer and Pisces who 353 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: get Scorpio um emotion, sensitivity and compassion. Earth signs Taurus Virgo, 354 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Capricorn practicality and to focus on material goals. And then 355 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: air signs Jim and I Libra and Aquarius uh Into 356 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: signifies intellect, and those are the big groupings, the elemental groupings, right, 357 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: So here we've kind of come up with another layer, right, Yeah, 358 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: Like since each each sign and on its own has 359 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: its own qualities like for example, um, the cancer is 360 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: a very domestic, imaginative, thorough shy, interested in the past 361 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: and tradition. That's me all over? Is it really all 362 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: those things? Yeah? Basically, Um, but the then you lay 363 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: over the water sign, right that it's a water sign, 364 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: so that adds to the emotion or the sensitivity or 365 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: the compassion of it. That the where it really starts 366 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: to get interesting is the idea that there's a relationship 367 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: between the element and the sign, and those are with 368 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: the cardinal fixed or mutable um right, whether or not 369 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: you're resistant to change, you're able to change, or what's 370 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: cardinal just general movement. Cardinal is that it moves right. 371 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: So so these three things, it's like a whole other 372 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: layer and and basically um so they had to do 373 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: with the solsticism that equal an ox is. We should say. 374 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: There's a couple of kinds of Western astrology. One is sidereal, 375 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: which follows the movement of the stars, so your birth 376 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: sign is sidereal astrology. There's another one called tropical that 377 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: really just has nothing to do with the stars. It's 378 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: the idea that around the in the cosmos, the zodiac 379 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: is fixed and it really has nothing to do with 380 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: the stars. It has to do with the sun's relative 381 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: position to the horizon, so it has to do with 382 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: things like solstices and equinoxes. So when you go into 383 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: the tropical um type of astrology, that's when the cardinal 384 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: fixed a mutable comes up. So a cardinal sign right, 385 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: each element has a cardinal sign, so there's four cardinal signs, 386 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: and for example, cancer is the cardinal water sign. Right. 387 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: Each element also has four fixed signs, so Leo is 388 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: the fixed fire sign that has to do with like persistence, perseverance, 389 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: resistance to change. And then lastly, mutable means you're flexible, adaptable, suggestible, 390 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: and Gemini is a mutable air sign. There's four different 391 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: mutable air signs, right, So you put them all together, 392 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: and what you have is in our interaction between the 393 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: elements and the signs themselves, so that you have sometimes 394 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: contradictory stuff, you have things that enhance other things. But 395 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: it's yet another layer. So now you have three layers 396 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: deep of interpretations just the signs, and it's up to 397 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: an astrologer to um ex extract whatever however they want 398 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: to read it. Basically like, it makes a point. You 399 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: can ask a hundred different astrologers to look at your 400 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: your chart and they might give you a hundred different readings. Yeah, 401 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: because it's ultimately the astrologers interpretation of the information that's 402 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: presented by these the signs and whether they're cardinal or fixture, mutable, 403 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: or what element they are, right, Well, they can also 404 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: be masculine or feminine, which Ed points out is not 405 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: really can't think of in terms of gender. It's more 406 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: like the concept of yin and yang, which makes a 407 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: little more sense. But when I look at mine Pisces 408 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: February twenty to March um mutable water, feminine. Okay, So 409 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: that's where I am. Emotional, sure, self sacrificing, sometimes, adaptable, 410 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: sometimes empathetic, almost always religious, not anymore versatile, Yeah, sure, 411 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: talkative sometimes you get paid for it. Yeah, and sometimes 412 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm really quiet though, don't want to talk, you know, 413 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: but that goes against all astrology often takes on the 414 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: behaviors of others. I don't know about that. Creative, I hope. Impractical, No, 415 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty practical, so like but more like half and 416 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: half maybe would you say half? I feel like you did, 417 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: or maybe more? Maybe that sounds about right all right, 418 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: but even still, I mean, that doesn't prove anything, no, 419 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: of course not. But it did just get you to 420 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: think about your self. That's the whole point, right from 421 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: what I understand. That's how it tells you. So you've 422 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: got all these different layers to just you're just the 423 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: sign that you were born under right, But there's even 424 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: there's even deeper layers to the whole thing, right, that 425 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: has to do with the movement of the constellations or 426 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: the movement of the sun. Um. And it also has 427 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: to do with more than just the sign you were 428 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: born under. Like when you sit down and you do 429 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: an astrological chart, you um, you're you're basically looking at 430 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: the position of everything that's taken too into account in 431 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: the cosmos, rather than just where the constellation, what constellations 432 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: behind the summer you were born. Well, we're gonna dive 433 00:26:51,080 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: even deeper into this stuff after this message break, So Chuck, 434 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about how we've got like the fixed layers, right, 435 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: and then depending on when you were born, where you're born, 436 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff to take into account, meaning 437 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: like literally the minute Yeah, because um, one of the zodiacs, uh, well, 438 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: the houses when you add this other layer, the houses 439 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: of the zodiac, which are the same thing as the 440 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: zodiac signs, but they're different in this case, they represent 441 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: the twenty four hour movement of the Earth on its axis. Um. 442 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: So now you have the added layer of time, yeah, 443 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: to the to the moment that you were born, um. 444 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: To to create a genuine like astrology chart. So not 445 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: only you're taking into account time and your sun sign, 446 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: but you also want to look around if you're a 447 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: good astrologer, and say, okay, where was the moon? What 448 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: house was the was venus in? And you start to 449 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: you start to basically go through and find the position 450 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: of every planet, including the sun in the moon um 451 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: and all the moon are considered planets as far as 452 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: astrology goes, right, And then when you put all this 453 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: stuff together, there's a huge, extremely complex interplay between all 454 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: these different um components that are all supposed to point 455 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: to the person that you were born as. Right, this 456 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: is where I think I should say my beef now, 457 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a good time for that. My beef 458 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 1: is that I couldn't find anywhere. And this is me 459 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: looking for science where there is none. Is why like 460 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 1: the position of the stars and they all affect who 461 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: you are and uh and and what you're gonna be Like, 462 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: all right, we'll explain that to me. Does it do that? Oh? Yeah? No, 463 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: that's what what forces? What scientific forces are behind this 464 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: zero that caused this? Like I get what you're saying. People, 465 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: The stars are aligned and these things are all in 466 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: a certain place and you're gonna be a certain way, 467 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: all right, Well, how does it do that? It doesn't. 468 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: That's where that's my beef. So I mean that's a 469 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: legitimate beef. Um, there's no how, No, there's not, there's none. 470 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: I guess I'm not hung up on that fact. I 471 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: think I just kind of accepted. And it's almost like 472 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: coming upon uh and the belief system of another culture 473 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: and know that, like I don't subscribe to it, but 474 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm interested in, like what what they believe and how 475 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: it applies to their life. But that doesn't mean that 476 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: I believe in it. I'm just I'm just kind of 477 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: interested in in an academic sense. Yeah, yeah, well you're 478 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: we're curious people, so I get that. Just get hung 479 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: up on the fact that it doesn't actually and you'll 480 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: you'll be interested in I promise. No. I do think 481 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting. And I used to read my horoscope here 482 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: and there just for fun, just the same way I 483 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: look at a fortune cookie. Um, it's just a parlor trick. 484 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: That to me though, it's not. But I think an 485 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: astrologer even if they even if they said, fine, you 486 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: don't believe in it, it's fine. But this is more 487 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: than a parlor trick, like they're really sitting down and 488 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: applying this. It takes a tremendous amount of time calculation 489 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: um a certain measure of of science. You have to 490 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: understand astronomy at least because you have to go figure 491 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: out when someone was born where, what was where? Right? 492 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: And so when you're sitting down and doing your chart, 493 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: you were born of Pisces, right, So the Pisces constellation 494 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: was behind the Sun. But where was Saturn? And why 495 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: would Saturn matter? Well, Saturn is a melancholy planet. So 496 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: if Saturn is in a house associated with happiness, um, 497 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: you might have uh thread of bitter weakness that runs 498 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: through your whole life. That might be one interpretation of it. 499 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: Or you might be happy sometimes and sad sometimes maybe 500 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: just every person ever sure that I mean, yeah, definitely. 501 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: And again I'm not explaining how this Porson is saying 502 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: like this is what an astrologer would would sit down 503 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: and think, or um, Mars is warlike, Well, if Mars 504 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: was in UM, I don't know, a house associated with aggressiveness, 505 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: you might get in a fight your whole life, according 506 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: to this astrology chart. So that's just each planet. Right, 507 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Let's say that you have Mars in a an aggressive 508 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: house and you have Saturn in a happy house. How 509 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: did those interact with each other? How does that getting 510 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: in fights all the time? Uh, interact with the bitter 511 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: sweetness that runs through your life. And that's open to 512 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: interpretation as well. And that's where the astrology I think 513 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: I was saying astrologist earlier, is that even a word? 514 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: I think? So, Okay, it doesn't seem it seems like 515 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: I've heard that before. Well at anyway, that's where they 516 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: come into play, yes, with their varying interpretations, but not 517 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: just the interpretations. They're actually gonna sit down and figure 518 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: out what was where, what that means according to the 519 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: astrological tradition, and then the third step is for them 520 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: to um interpret it for you, you know what I mean. So, 521 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean there is a tremendous amount of work to it, 522 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: from what I can tell, for a genuine astrological chart. 523 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: Your friend's mom hooked you up when you were yeah, 524 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean she didn't dash it off in five minutes. 525 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that that was math involved and angles 526 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: and stuff. So the main thing you're getting if you're 527 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: looking at like a newspaper or if you have if 528 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: your son up for some sort of internet daily horoscope 529 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: is it's usually some sort of personality profile, advice on 530 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: your life. Uh, maybe some sort of um map two 531 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: for finances you might want to think about, you know, 532 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: investing soon. That's where people probably get in trouble. Um. 533 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: But it's pretty much personal advice stuff, not so much 534 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: long term future type of thing, not like predicting your 535 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: future necessarily. Well, they do to the extent of like 536 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: you'll have a so so day to day. Yeah, yeah, 537 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: today will be rather unremarkable, yeah, or like a lot 538 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: of times it can be. I think it's it's like, 539 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, today might be a good day to reach 540 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: out to an old friend, and if you follow that advice, 541 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: then that's great because your old friend probably would want 542 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: to hear from you. And then you have lunch with 543 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: that friend and it goes great, and you might say, 544 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: we'll see there, my my horoscope said to reach out 545 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: to an old friend and it went awesome, or if 546 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: it went really horribly, you'd be like, why are you 547 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: punishing these stars? Yeah? Or what if you get killed 548 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: on the way to the lunch, Like you don't hear 549 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: those stories. No, but that's the great thing about astrology. 550 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: It removes personal responsibility from your decisions. That's funny. And 551 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: I should say also, I wanna, I want to like 552 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: there are even more layers to the whole thing than 553 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: what I what I said. I I hope we kind 554 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: of got the point across that there's layer upon layer 555 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: upon layer, and they all interact with one another. But 556 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, like in a good astrologer will take into 557 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: account like whether planet was in retrograde and what that 558 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: means when you were born, you know, um, or if 559 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: it's in retrograde right now. Um, there's just so much 560 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: to it. I think that's what fascinates me. Well, it 561 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: makes a good point. Uh, if this is a true science, 562 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: then it should have it should pass the muster of 563 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: the of repeatable testing, which of course it doesn't know. 564 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: Um no, it really really doesn't. But some other people 565 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: might say, you know what this is, it's beyond science. 566 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: This is you shouldn't try and quantify in terms of science. 567 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: This is something that you can't you can't even understand it, right, 568 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: your beauny s cannot explain this, this outside that realm 569 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: to something that we don't know and understand. And hey, 570 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm a science guy, but I'm not foolish enough to 571 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: think there isn't anything out there that I maybe I 572 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: don't know about or we can't prove. It's very healthy. 573 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: You know, my hat is off to you. You're forty 574 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: in and you don't even know it. Seriously, that's like, 575 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: to me, that's the the pinnacle of what a thinking 576 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: person can aspire to. Well, I think that's when you 577 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: stop looking, when you think that we you know, we've 578 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: got it all figured out, you know, especially when you 579 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: aggressively attack other people who say otherwise. That's if this 580 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: conversation is floating your boat. Go list In the Enlightenment episode, 581 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: that was good. That was a good one. I had 582 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: a lot to do with that. They have done studies though, 583 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: on the viability of astrology as far as you know, 584 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: are are you could do divorce rates UM? Are they 585 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: compatible or do they comply with um or correlate with 586 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: the compatibility of two people? Astrologically speaking, they don't. Yes, 587 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, they're supposedly interaction amongst the signs where like 588 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, uh, virgos don't get along with um, Capricorns 589 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, and that doesn't hold up 590 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: through scientific study, and if you cherry pick examples in 591 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: your life, of course you might think it does. Well. Yeah, 592 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people are like, astrology is right. 593 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: It's a selection bias, is what you're encountering. You're ignoring 594 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: the stuff that disproves it or that suggests that it's 595 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: not true, and instead just focusing on the amazing facts 596 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: where it lines up right. Right, that's a selection bias, right, 597 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: I think, so I need to know more about all 598 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: the different biases. It's interesting we should say another thing 599 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: that kind of suggests that astrology is not accurate. The 600 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: zodiac signs are no longer where they're supposed to be. 601 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: If you're going by your birth date. For example, I 602 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: was born into life. If so, I would be a cancer. 603 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: If you actually follow the constellations, I'm I'm a Gemini. 604 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: Never knew that. So. Geminis are um concerned with information, 605 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: highly literate, curious, adaptable, absent minded, love to travel. I 606 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: am a Gemini. So the reason why is because when 607 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: astrology was first created them the earth, the constellations were 608 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: lined up with where they were originally. As the Earth 609 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: rotates on its access at wobbles, and over the last 610 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: couple of thousand years, it's wobbled so that those constellations 611 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: are no longer where they were when they set them 612 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: three thousand years ago. So today we have totally different um, 613 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: totally different signs. What would mind be? Can so you 614 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: were born in the eyes of March, You're still a 615 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: Pisces man, I'm sorry that I am uh now I 616 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: am now a Gemini because it gotta moved. So let's 617 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: let's go through because I think a lot of people 618 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: don't know this, and NASA blogged about it a couple 619 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: of years ago and really caused a stir um. Jerry 620 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: still a cat ox, Jerry. Jerry's Birthday's April something right, 621 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: Jerry's birthday is what's your birthday? Your birthday's Valentine's Day. 622 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Jerry just said her birthday. It's 623 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: February fourteenth, because we have to edit out any Jerry talk. Right, Jerry, 624 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: what are you supposed to be? Normally? You are a Capricorn. 625 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: You are January twenty, February six As far as NASA 626 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: is concerned, you're a Capricorn. So it starts, and we 627 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: should say I don't think we said this, but zodiac 628 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: officially in the West starts with aries and moves on um. 629 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: So starting with Capricorn because NASA is like, now we're 630 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: gonna start with the beginning of the year Capricorn January 631 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: twentieth to February sixte okay, Aquarius is now February sixteenth 632 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: to March eleventh. And you'll notice these aren't necessarily thirty 633 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: day period. Yeah you were, uh Pisces March eleventh to 634 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: April eighteenth, Aries April eighteenth to May, taurusts May thirteenth 635 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: of June twenty one. It's a long one, uh Gemini 636 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 1: June one to July twenty that's me now, cancer July 637 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: twenty August. I used to be a cancer Leo August 638 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: tenth to September six Virgo September sixteenth of October, Libra 639 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 1: October November, Scorpio November twenty three to twenty nine. That's 640 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: six days. You've got six days to be a Scorpio. 641 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: It's kind of neat uh oh fucus. Yeah, that long 642 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: forgotten November twenty nine to December. That crazy. There's people 643 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: out there don't even know that they're that signed yeah, 644 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: or how to pronounce it right? No one does. No 645 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: one alive knows how to pronounce that. Uh. And then 646 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: Sagittarius December seventeenth to January. Wow, I don't even know 647 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: anything anymore. No, no one does, Chuck. I think this 648 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: is fascinating stuff that I've been thinking a lot lately 649 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: about what does shape your personality and what you become 650 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: in life as far as nature and nurture and some 651 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: people might throw this in there. I think we should 652 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: totally do a podcast on birth order. Oh yeah, that's 653 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: the good ones, super fascinating to me. Or whether, um, 654 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: whether hearing your name or the vibrations caused by saying 655 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: your own name throughout your life has an effect on 656 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: your personality. You heard that one? Yeah, supposedly the vibrations 657 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: are the frequency made from hearing and saying your own 658 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: name throughout your life makes your makes your personality a 659 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: certain one. Weird, Alan, It's probably not true, but it's interesting. Well, 660 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: we tease Ronald Reagan earlier. Well, we didn't tease Ronald 661 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: Reagan did, But we can't talk about astrology without talking 662 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Reagan administration because uh in 663 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: nine uh ron and Nancy were uh out, it's sort 664 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: of exposed. Yeah, as is having a astrologer on the 665 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: payroll to the tune of about how much three grand 666 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: per what reading a month? Three grand a month? It's 667 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: not bad. No, this lady was working hard, Joan quickly 668 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: down under. That's her nickname woman. And it was revealed 669 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: that she uh wrote up star charts uh and basically 670 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: detailed even down to the minute, supposedly depending on who 671 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: you listen to, what Reagan's schedule should look like. Right, 672 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: so this lady was definitely doing mundane interrogatory and natal 673 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: astrology combined to create a chart. Yes, for sure. And 674 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: chief of staff On Reagan wrote in his memoir um, 675 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean he I mean, this is is not a 676 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: matter of debate or anything. No, this is for for real. 677 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: But Don Regan wrote in his memoirs and he talked about, um, 678 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: you know, capturing the public's attention like that was a 679 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: big deal because it looked like what was going on 680 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: was going on, which was his schedule was kind of 681 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: being determined by an astrologist. Like you can't talk to 682 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: Gorby today. This is a bad day to propose the 683 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: salt treaty. Wait until you know. No, that's when you 684 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: talked to Gorby. And then Don Regan would be told 685 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: by Nancy, Uh he he should be talking to Gorbion 686 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: because met with Nancy only met ron once, supposedly, um 687 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: and and Nancy downplayed it a lot, of course, they 688 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: all tried to distance well. They said it was more 689 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: of a hobby. And and she definitely had no impact 690 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: on decisions. It was really just about scheduling, is what 691 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: they said, scheduling decisions. But she wrote a book, actually, uh, 692 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: miss Quigley, in was called this is the most on 693 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: the nose book title of all time. It was called 694 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: what does Jones say? Colin my seven years as White 695 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: House astrologer to Nancy and Ronald Reagan by me, do 696 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: you get it? Um? And she said, quote, I was 697 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: responsible for timing all press conferences, most speeches. The State 698 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: of the Union addresses the takeoffs and landings of Air 699 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: Force one. I picked the time of Ronald Reagan's debate 700 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Carter and the two debates with Mondale, all 701 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: extended trips abroad as well as shorter trips and one 702 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 1: day excursions. End quote yeah, um, so yes. The leader 703 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: of the Free World arguably the most powerful American president 704 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: in recent memory, had his schedule determined by an astrologer. 705 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: So weird, I got a couple more things, all right, 706 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 1: what you got? So? Um, Apparently Americans around the time 707 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: of Reagan had hit like, basically a low in believing 708 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: in astrology. They were They did a poll after that 709 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,320 Speaker 1: that news came out, and they found that American belief 710 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: overall in astrology um was a twelve percent, which is 711 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: down from this is an eight eight, which is down 712 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: from ten years before, which makes total sense, like coming 713 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: off of the the hippie age and the goofy seven 714 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: sign into the very like kind of cynical late eighties. Uh, 715 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: it aligns perfectly right the star. So somebody forgot to 716 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 1: send Nancy and Ron that memo. So in two thousand 717 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: and four, another poll found that it had gone back 718 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: up to no idea why. And then another poll I 719 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: saw that asked something different rather than do you believe 720 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: in astrology, asked, um, would you say that astrology is 721 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: quote not at all scientific? In two thousand four, sixty 722 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: six percent of Americans said at two was not scientific. 723 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: So basically they don't believe in astrology. And then in 724 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: two um percent said that, so apparently belief in astrology 725 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: is still on the increase. Interesting, even more interesting, in 726 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: China of the public says they don't believe in astrology 727 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: compared to about here. And then lastly, I have one 728 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: more story ready, and there's actually a blog post you 729 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: can go recalled the Genius Mural at St. John's. Okay, yeah, 730 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: it's from years back, but I just came across the 731 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: story is amazing. There's this place called St. John's Anglican Church. 732 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 1: It's in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and um. It was built 733 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: in seventeen fifty four and it was built with a 734 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: mural on the ceiling of the night sky with gilded stars. 735 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: And they were remodeling the church and they wanted to 736 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: redo the mural right recreated exactly as it had been. 737 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: But they realized they didn't have any dead on photographs 738 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: of it, so they had to kind of like figure 739 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: out what to do. So they hired an astronomer and 740 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,919 Speaker 1: he started poking around into it and he realized that 741 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: the mural, which had been constructed in seventeen fifty four, 742 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: was the exact scene of the night sky over Lunenburg 743 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: on December one which is in the Christian tradition is 744 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: the night Christ was born. Somebody in seventeen fifty four 745 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: accurately calculated what the sky had looked like fifty four 746 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: years before on December and turned it into a mural. 747 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? I love that story. That's astrology and 748 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: what's the name of that story, The Genius Genius Mural 749 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: at St. John's. Thanks man, Are you got anything else? Nope? 750 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: I could talk about this all day. Are you sure 751 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: I think we did right by it. If you want 752 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: to know more about astrology, go read Joan Quigley's book. 753 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: And since I said Joan quickly, it's time for listener, ma'il. 754 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this Star Wars Action figure and neared, Hey, guys, 755 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: love the show like to I can say, like all 756 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: the other fans, is definitely my favorite thing to listen to. 757 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: My transplant to Texas from Tennessee, and I always get 758 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: excited when I can make that long drive back home 759 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: and binge on your interesting material just listen to Action 760 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: figures and was thrilled to hear you talk about Star 761 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,240 Speaker 1: Wars action figures. I'm one of those Star Wars guys. 762 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,919 Speaker 1: You mentioned that read away too much of the fan 763 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: fiction and new way too many characters, uh, too many 764 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 1: of the character names. I wanted to share a fact 765 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: I thought was interesting about the Kinner toys and two 766 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: of the Bounty Hunter characters seen in an Empire Strikes Back. 767 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:59,720 Speaker 1: Kinner went originally packaging the characters mislabeled for Loam probably 768 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: not even pronouncing that right. Uh for the number four 769 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: dash l O M originally the droid and zook Us 770 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: z u c k Uss originally the bug looking guy, 771 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: and switch their names. How somebody got fired for that? 772 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: Do you believe it? The name stuck into and you 773 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: can see on newer packaging of the Hasbro toys that 774 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: their names have been switched back. I always thought it 775 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: was interesting and interesting. Mishap. Thanks for all you guys do, 776 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: and I've learned so much and it's love referencing your 777 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: show every chance I get. Sincerely, Harrison for Adam West 778 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: No ps, sadly I'm not him. Wow, I agreat would 779 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: that be man? That that nice email Adam that was 780 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: full of drama, suspense facts and I could do my 781 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: nerd voice man, which I completely stole from him. I 782 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: just want to make that clear, claiming it at your 783 00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: own right to homage to Conan yep. Uh well, Adam, 784 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: thank you. That was a great one. If you want 785 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: to get in touch with us, like Adam did, you 786 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: can join us on Facebook, dot com, slash Stuff you 787 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: Should Know. You can hang out with Chuck too at 788 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant at Facebook. 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