1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally the show with 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: normalist take school with the News gets weird this week 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: a special vacation week edition where you guys get to 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: ask us whatever you want. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Ham. 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Markowitz. I'm so excited for this. 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 4: I love hearing what our listeners kind of think of us. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Yes, good, bad, and ugly. 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: We were saying this before we started rolling. But there 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 4: are a lot of cooking questions. I feel like people 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 4: think that we are capable in the kitchen. 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: That's nice of them. 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is nice of them. 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 4: I look, I love to cook actually, but yeah, I 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 4: love to cook, and I love that that comes across 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 4: to be real. 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 3: So yeah, let's get into. 18 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: It all right, Mary Catherine, what's the meal most requested 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 4: in your homes and what do you enjoy making for 20 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 4: with your family for dinner? 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: Okay, so I would have to say, and I know 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: this does not put me solidly in the MAHA coalition, 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: is it? Oftentimes? Because I have four children, I am 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: not so much a cook as an improver of frozen food. 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: Like that's really my I'm like, oh, here's some frozen broccoli. 26 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: But I put like a little bit of spicy, spicy. 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: But there is a running list of things that I 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: make that every single person in the house eats and enjoys, 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: because that's really bad. 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: I was trying to think of something like that, and 31 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 4: I don't know that I have one, you know, Yeah. 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: There's only a couple for us. And one is this 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: like like Middle Eastern chicken shorma that is ticking thighs 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: in the oven, very simple, really complicated spice combination, which is, yeah, 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: it's wild that everyone eats it. Every single kid in 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: the family. Dad likes it. I like it. So that's 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: one founded on Instagram. Thanks instagramzingu. And then we had 38 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: one the other day that was egg roll in a bowl, 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: which is just sauteed cabbage, spices and ground beef sauteed 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: and like, you know, he dressed it up a little bit. 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: Sure like everyone was eating it and I was like, 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: am I hallucinating? You're eating peppers, cabbages and beef. 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 3: Okay, amazing. 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, in my family, I would have to parse something 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: out for someone and it's super annoying. 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: I think the thing. 47 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: I came up with is I make a roast, just 48 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: a Korean style roast with like Asian spices, and people 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 4: in the family all eat it to varying degrees. My 50 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: nine year old is super complicated. We say that he 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: either is like a ninety dollars dinner dish or like 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: a ninety cent it's either chicken nuggets or lobster for him, 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 4: there's really no in between. What regular people eat is 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: not eventure just to him at all, So he a 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 4: lot of the times will have the. 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: Chicken nuggets or a corn dog. As we the four 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: of us have dinner without him, we. 58 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Have one of those as well, where she's like either 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: very you know, she eats what we put in front 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: of her because it's basically required in our house for 61 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: the most part to try, you have to give it 62 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: a try. But she's definitely prefers like very bland kid 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: foods until you put a very expensive steak in front 64 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: of her and he's like absolutely same here. 65 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, the nine year old is also all kinds of 66 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: wago everything for sure, oysters, but not like grilled. 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: Chicken because that's crazy, you know. 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, when will you share your pimento cheese recipe? 69 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know a lot of people think I'm 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: gatekeeping on this. 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, gatekeeping. 72 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: I don't mean to gate keep, but it is my 73 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: father's family's recipe, so I should technically ask him before 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: I put it out to everyone, like a friend, you 75 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: are gatekeeping, I know, Well, I have to ask him first, 76 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: that's all about. Yeah. I think he would be like, yeah, 77 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: that's fine. I just would run it by him and 78 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: I haven't done that. But it is a five generations 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: old South Georgia. And here's the thing. It's not complicated 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: at all is that people get a little too fancy 81 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: with the pimento cheese and they think they have to 82 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: do a lot of things to it. You don't have 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: to do a lot of things to it. The main 84 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: thing that we do is that we grate the cheese 85 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: in two different sizes, so it changes the texture. 86 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 4: Texture, right, Yeah, that is my only st You send 87 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 4: me that recipe right after this, I will. 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: And I will clear it with my dad and then 89 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: when I tell you guys, you're going to be like, 90 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: that's just very easy. Yep. But it's a crowd pleaser, 91 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: yeah for sure. 92 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: Another food question, Biscuitville versus Bojangles. 93 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing, Biscuitville. If you're not familiar with 94 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: it Carol, which I'm not. It is another regional chain 95 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: that serves biscuits. I had one. It's like three and 96 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: a half blocks from my house growing up, and I 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: swear that establishment was never open. Now this is possibly 98 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: because it was only open for breakfast, and like all 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: the like people who are set up want to go 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: eat there, Like construction workers would go have Biscuitville and 101 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: then be off. But I found that in my teenager experience, 102 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: which is mostly what I experienced around Biscuitvill's, Uh, they 103 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: weren't open when I needed them to be open. 104 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: Whereas Bojangles, Yeah, you need a reliable that's like, you know, 105 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 4: most of the game with fast food. 106 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: It has to be reliable. 107 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: You can't like really really really good grits, very good biscuits, 108 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: solid food. Just I was never able to land on 109 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: a biscuit bill that was there when I needed it. 110 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's really the most important part. Look switching 111 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: from food to politics and dating, at what point in 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: getting to know someone should politics or general philosophy be 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 4: brought up. I know that it wouldn't work to be 114 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: with someone that doesn't have matching values, but don't want 115 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: to come on too strong right away. 116 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it. You should come on strong 117 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: right away. 118 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: I probably built it. Yeah, yeah, just. 119 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: Don't waste your time. It's really it's not about them. 120 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: It's not about what they think of you. It's about 121 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: what you think of them. And I think you just 122 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 4: get it out really early and see what happens. You know, 123 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: I was a conservative in Brooklyn and that was an 124 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: unpopular thing to be, so I would find a way 125 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: to bring it up very early in conversations with new friends, 126 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 4: with anybody, just because I didn't want to trick anybody 127 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: into spending time with me. 128 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: And if you don't like that, that's your problem. 129 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's probably smart. I'm trying to think. 130 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: I grew up in a very liberal town and everyone 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: knew I was the weirdo, so it just it was 132 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: kind of out there. Yeah, there were so few conservatives 133 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: that it was like, oh, well, she's the one who 134 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: does the weird thing, she's the aberration, right, but and 135 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: so everybody kind of knew it going in. However, in 136 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: new situations, I do think it's harder now for people. 137 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: So I'm very sympathetic to the idea that you're kind 138 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: of dancing around it because I get being delicate. I've 139 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 2: tried to maintain many a friendship with many liberals, mostly 140 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: successfully over the years, and it does require a dance. 141 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: But those are friendships, right. So in a dating to 142 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: marriage scenario, I think you want to be pretty careful 143 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: about what is worth the trade off and what is not. Yeah, 144 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: and you also don't want to get into deep and 145 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: then find out some values are not a lot that 146 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: will go badly for you. You don't have to be 147 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: a jerk face about it, but you can make clear 148 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: who you are, right. 149 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: I fully agree. 150 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: I actually am a friend's daughter is a very traditional girl. 151 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: She's in her early twenties and she's looking for, you know, 152 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: someone to marry. 153 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: And I said to her, I think you should put. 154 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: You know, like looking to be a tad wife in 155 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: your bio so that there's no there's no mistake, there's 156 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: no like, you know, confusion about who you want to 157 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: be and what you want and if you're not in 158 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: the political world, terms like that, you know might not 159 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: mean anything to you, but it just it signals what 160 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: you're looking for. 161 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: I think I was in college and shortly after I 162 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: was always very clear about my faith and that that 163 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: was important to me. And honestly, it was a very 164 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: good jerk filter for sure, because there are like people 165 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: do the calculation and they're like, hmmm, this is not 166 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: what I'm looking for, and if it's not what he's 167 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: looking for, yeah, goo along, yeah, move along. So I do. 168 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: I do think that can be helpful for filtering for 169 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: who you want. 170 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally. 171 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: Okay, this says high ladies love the podcast. My son 172 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: just deployed on the USS Jerald for he is twenty 173 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: seven years old an F eighteen pilot. Wooh, thank you 174 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: for his service and awesome this is his first deployment. 175 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: I live in super liberal loud In County, Virginia. I 176 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: am super sensitive about politics right now and don't want 177 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: to have any political discussions with any lives. What can 178 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: I say other than I don't discuss politics because I 179 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: can't handle anyone else's opinions right now that are not 180 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: pro military, preferably a two to three sentence hack for this. Thanks, yeah, 181 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: let me repeat, thanks to your family and him for 182 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: his service. 183 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 184 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: I can understand this being sensitive because you have a 185 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: person who's in the line of duty at this moment 186 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: and willing to put his life on the line for others. 187 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: And so if you're encountering somebody who thinks that that's NBD, 188 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: or worse, thinks it's bad, that would very quickly lead 189 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: to bad interactions that and lost friendships. I think I 190 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: would advise. I mean one of the things that I 191 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: do because I live in a very liberal area too, 192 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: and I'm happy to have liberal friends, but all of 193 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: them are level right, because sometimes you want to be 194 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: shared with other folks. I think you got to have 195 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: like your solid group of galfriends, either online or in person, 196 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: who do share those values, who you can have those 197 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: conversations with, so that you can skip it elsewhere. But Carol, 198 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: a nice. 199 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: Way to yeah, you know, I don't know about a 200 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: nice way to say it, but I'll just echo what 201 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: we said to the dating thing is that you don't 202 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 4: want anti military you know, people in your life, in 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: your life while your son is serving, that's you know, crazy. 204 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 4: I look, I have topics that I think are touchy. 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 4: If you want to bring down America, I'm just I 206 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: can't be friends with you. Like there are some lines 207 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: like if we have differences on tax policy, fine, but 208 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: if you're like America shouldn't exist. 209 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: I mean, we just we can't be friends. So I 210 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: see that. 211 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: In the same place, I don't think you need to 212 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: worry about what to say to them. 213 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: I think you don't need those people. 214 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 4: And if they are anti military, they're all ltimately just 215 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: not for you. Again, I'm big on cross ideological friendships, 216 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: but there are lines, and there are some lines that 217 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 4: I just don't think we should be willing to cross. 218 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: Also, you could sort of speak the language of if 219 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: you if you wanted to head something off at the 220 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: pass and you're just like, you know, it may be 221 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: somebody who's just like medium live but isn't being careful 222 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: about the way they're going to talk about this, and 223 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: you can can you use therapy speak on them and 224 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: it just be like, you know, I'm really i have 225 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: a lot of anxiety about my son's and I'm. 226 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: Like turning that around. 227 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just like to, you know, chat about 228 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: barbecue or football like that's that would be uh, that 229 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: would be my take. And if someone's just bent on 230 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: discussing possibles, I actually don't love that kind of relationship. 231 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: If you're really really dedicated to discussing politics with me 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: in a casual setting where we're doing other things. That's 233 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: actually not a good relationship for me. 234 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's exactly it. 235 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: And that goes for conservatives too. 236 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 4: I were like, you know, I mean, you know, yeah, 237 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: both ways for sure. But yeah, I don't think you 238 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 4: need to put up with people who are wishing ill 239 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 4: to your child. 240 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: Really, I think that's pretty clear. 241 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, will you be going on tour at some point, 242 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: please come to Dallas. I'll just say that if we 243 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: are going on tour at some point, we will be 244 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: starting with a Dallas Cowboys game. 245 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll dare. I'm good with Dallas. I would love 246 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: to come to Dallas. But yeah, have you been to Dallas? Yes, 247 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: but only only a few times for too short a 248 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: period of time, so I don't get to see a 249 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: ton of it. 250 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: I really like it. 251 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: I love Dallas seeing a Cowboys game as it is 252 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: an American spectacle. 253 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: That's right, it's America's team. You could say it. 254 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: I don't know all that. 255 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: MKA is shaking her head in disgust. 256 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: Let's not go too far, but you know it is 257 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: you know big, and yeah, you know it as it is. Yeah, Also, 258 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: we have no plans, but also I do love doing 259 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: things live and they are so fun audiences, So yeah, 260 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: I would certainly considerate. 261 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: And we'll wear the Florida and Bojangle shirts in real 262 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: life that we to have in the baby pictures. All right, MK, 263 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: we all know you attended the University of Georgia. What 264 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: college university was your second choice? 265 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: And why? 266 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: So fun story? I did not apply anywhere else? 267 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: What are you serious? Wow? So she's like, IM either 268 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: going here or I'm not going to college. 269 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: No, actually, it was just that my senior writers extended 270 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: to applying to college. And I liked the University of Georgia. 271 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: It had a decent journalism school. It had a decent 272 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: football team. It had a lot of people, which was 273 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: something I was looking for because I I felt that 274 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: at a small liberal arts school, I was maybe not 275 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: going to find my pool that I clicked with. So 276 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: I wanted big. I was comfortable with that, and part 277 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: of it was economic, which was I knew I was 278 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: probably going to end up at a state school. In 279 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: my family. I kept my grades up so because knowing 280 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: that my younger brothers were probably not going to get scholarships, 281 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: and I was like trying to keep the overhead low 282 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: for the whole fame. 283 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: So that's so older sibling, a very older sister. 284 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: So I was always keeping those grades up. And I 285 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: had the goods to get into UGA, and I didn't 286 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: have a lot of money to be applying a bunch 287 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: of places that I wasn't going to end up being 288 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: able to go. So there was part of me that, 289 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: for pride's sake, wanted to be like I got into Georgetown, 290 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: I got into Duke or whatever, right right, it was 291 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: sixty to seventy five bucks of my location. 292 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was telling this to somebody recently. 293 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know how you kids apply to like 294 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: fifty schools. I applied to four and that was extensive. 295 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: It was like a lot of money to do that. 296 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I wasn't looking to spend all that 297 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: cash on applying to schools. 298 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 299 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Same And so yeah, did I lose out on some 300 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: of those bragging rights, Yes I did. And I made 301 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: the best decision, one of the best decisions of my life, 302 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: which was good to go to UGA. They gave me 303 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: some scholarships, which was great. I graduated with no debt. 304 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: Did not realize that that basically made me a twenty 305 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: two year old millionaire compared to my peers, right, and 306 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: I had a fantastic time, so there really wasn't a 307 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: second choice. I did get homesick at one point in 308 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: my first semester at school because everybody was like, aren't 309 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: you scared to go somewhere where you don't have any friends. 310 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: I was like, nah, because I don't think about you 311 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: before they had. 312 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: There, yep. 313 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: And then I got there and I was like. 314 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't have any friends. 315 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: So I did apply for transfer to UNC at one 316 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: point I did not take it, and I'm very glad 317 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: that I didn't. 318 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: Wo. 319 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: I imagine if you went to UNC. I just can't 320 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: picture it. 321 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: Can I. So it was Georgia all the way. 322 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that first semester at school is very, very tough 323 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: on folks, and I didn't find my people until second semester. 324 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: I played lacrosse with them. Second semester I landed on 325 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: that club team and found all my people and loved 326 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: my life there. But man, that first semester was tough. 327 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I had a kind of a. 328 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: Flip side of that, where my best friend and my 329 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: high school boyfriend both came to college with me. Basically, 330 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: my best friend went to another school in Boston and 331 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: my high school boyfriend went to school with me. That 332 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 4: also wasn't great because I didn't meet a lot of 333 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 4: people and I didn't try at all. And then the 334 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: next year, when both the boyfriend and the best friend 335 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: decided not to come back to Boston, I was all 336 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 4: by myself in my sophomore year, where everybody already had. 337 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: Solidified to friends. It was tough. It's the hard way 338 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: to do it. 339 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 4: But I you know, I feel like I didn't have 340 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 4: any advice on how this is supposed to go and 341 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 4: when you're supposed to be friends, and I don't know, 342 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: I say, I always say immigrant parents, They. 343 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: Really did not know what they were sending me into. 344 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: We just throw you into the dim good luck, right, Yeah, No, 345 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: I found the one. The one thing that I did 346 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: benefit from is that because I had no friends first 347 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 2: semester and I was trying to keep my grades up, 348 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: I had a very early morning job. I delivered papers. 349 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: So I would get up at three thirty or four 350 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: every morning, seven days a week and deliver papers, and 351 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: as a result, my grades did stay up. And the 352 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: other thing I did was work out and so I 353 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: came home lot different than my peers. 354 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 4: No, that was another way that that first semester was 355 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 4: definitely tough, that freshman fifteen. 356 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I went the other direction because I just went 357 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: to the gym for like several hours a day, smart, 358 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: which is its own kind of issue. But yeah, that 359 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 2: worked out for me. 360 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: Somebody else asks while at UGA, did you take classes 361 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 4: with Fink? 362 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: Oh? 363 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: I did, and what's your best think story? 364 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: So Fink is a Conrad Fink was his name, and 365 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: he was a professor at the University of Georgia of 366 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: newspaper journalism, and he was at one point the head 367 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: guy at UPI, which was the main competitor to the AP. 368 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: So the Associated Press is like the go to wire now, 369 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: but for a long time UPI was the I think 370 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 2: it's United Press International was the competitor to AP so 371 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: they were almost of equal, you know, size and scope 372 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: back in the day. So he ran one of those 373 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: and he was a I believe a Vietnam be crustial 374 00:18:54,600 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 2: marine guy turned newspaper editor. I would say, like kind. 375 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: Of I love people like that. By the way, those are. 376 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: White people, fantastic like had no would take no guff 377 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: off of anyone had no hair on his head and 378 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: eyebrows out to like four inches from his face. 379 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: Guy. 380 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: I think he passed away several years ago. We stayed 381 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: in touch. He passed away several years ago, and I 382 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: had emailed him in between a little bit here and there. 383 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: I don't know how he would have done in the 384 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: current era of college students because he was a street talker. 385 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was a He was certainly a. 386 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: Left of center guy, but he was such a nineteen 387 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: eighty five to nineteen ninety five left of center guy 388 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: that his way of dealing in the world would not 389 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: have been welcomed by many gen Z and gen Z 390 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: in particular sounds like that, right, But I loved him. 391 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: He actually recommended me for a job that I didn't 392 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 2: get one time, but it was very kind of him 393 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: to think of me. He by the way, this is 394 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: a very sliding doors moment. He recommended me for the Augusta, 395 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: Georgia newspaper's op ed page as an assistant editor. But 396 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: I was like twenty four years old. Yeah, I probably 397 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: wasn't really qualified for this, but the op ed page 398 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: was the editorial page was conservative, and there were so 399 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: few of those and there were so few of me 400 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: in the news business that. 401 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 3: He was, Oh, You're not the natural fit, right. 402 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: He was like, Hey, this is Conrad. Do you think 403 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: you want to try this out? And so I went 404 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: and interviewed and it went pretty well, but I think 405 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: I was just too for what they were looking for. 406 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: Didn't get that job, ended up coming to DC. So 407 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: the rest is history. But I always appreciated him thinking 408 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: of me and knowing this could be a fit, and 409 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: that he wasn't condescending or a jerk about my politics. 410 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: He just knew that I thought differently. 411 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 4: Love it all right, We're gonna wrap it up with 412 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: one last question about college related stuff, and I'm going 413 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 4: to punt this to you because I really don't know 414 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 4: what this means. Does Florida State belong. 415 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 3: In the SEC? 416 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 4: What's funny is when I read it, I was like, 417 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: are they challenging whether Florida State is in the SEC? 418 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: And then I googled it. 419 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I actually. 420 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: Nice, be nice. It was my Florida whatever it is. 421 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: This is one of those things I have to be 422 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: nice because two of my really good friends went to 423 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: Florida State, including Shannon Bram is anult so I have 424 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: to be kind about it. One I will. I'll give 425 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: a disappointing answer, which is that the ever changing tides 426 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: of who belongs to what conference is a sports story 427 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: that does not interest me in the least. I get 428 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: overwhelmed by it because I'm trying to keep track of 429 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Big Ten, which is now Big seventeen, and everybody's alliant. 430 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna nod, like I know what I'm taught, 431 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 4: like like, oh yeah, I don't. 432 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: Here's here's where or to State lost me. And this 433 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: is an this is an action that was taken against 434 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: the University of Georgia Bulldogs is that they basically checked 435 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: out of the postseason game when they had a perfect 436 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: season and they didn't get awarded a birth to the playoffs. 437 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: I know you're nodding, still. 438 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, nodding and like drifting off. They basically this 439 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 4: is college football, right. 440 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: They basically were like, you know what, I'm not even 441 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: going to tell this story because I don't know I'm 442 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: getting the details right and it's boring you anyway. But 443 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: they basically said, like, eh, not interested in this postseason 444 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: game because we're too good for this. Wow, And a 445 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: lot of people didn't play and blah blah blah. Anyway 446 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: you lost me there like it's a it's a moment 447 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: where you just have to rally. 448 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I I you know, I'm going to just 449 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: say I agree they should have rallied. 450 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: That season was twenty twenty three, was the undefeated season. 451 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: By the way. 452 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on normally. 453 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays. 454 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: And you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. 455 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: Get in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com. 456 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally