WEBVTT - Ep. 141: Squirrel Brains, Stags, and the Fourth Wall 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:14.160 This is me et podcasting in you shirtless severely bitten 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:24.240 in my case underwear listening. He can't predict anything, Okay, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.600 quick a couple of things. Lots of dudes, Brody, take 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.360 a stay at how many dudes have written in to 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.040 tell us about guy eat squirrel brains. Doesn't Why do 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.199 people like that story so much? I don't know. It's 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.880 not even I mean, obviously it's a thing eating them, 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.080 but people get such a little chub. It's like people 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.839 love it. Wildlife related disease death. Yeah, and it's like, oh, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.599 it's an unconventional meal. And he got his come up, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.000 and yeah, he got where he had coming. We knew 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.400 it was going to happen eventually. Yeah, but you're also 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.760 Stephen Ronnella, the meat eater, the guy who eats all 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.560 sorts of crazy stuff. So they think they're just assuming 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.240 that you're out there munch now and on squirrel brands. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.160 I don't like brains, man. Do you know you know 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.480 that what's that what's that place in Zola that has 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.760 the brain dish brains and eggs. Yeah, you go to 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.800 the ox brains and eggs and and and it's like 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.440 a big thing when you live there and you get 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.560 all drunk at night, and then the bar's closed and 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.280 you go to the ox and you try to get 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.319 your body from out of town to buy brains and eggs. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.920 And the thing is, if you order them, they're slogan is, 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.959 if you order them, you need them. I've never liked like. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:38.400 It's like, I do not enjoy eating the brains of anything. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.480 I'm eating cow. I'm eating a handful of different I 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.080 don't I don't like it. I don't like it, don't 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.440 eat it. Kevin Murphy, World's greatest small game hunter, doesn't 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:51.640 go near squirrel brains because, um, he grew up eating them. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.600 Did he eat him when we were around? His dog? Damn, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:59.400 sure eats them. Dog likes him. Um, he doesn't need them, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.840 and he doesn't know because it doesn't if there is 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.720 a risk, it doesn't warrant it. So it turns out 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.840 here's the story that everybody's all hot and bothered about. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.680 It turns out that a guy, um, some time ago, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.200 not like recently, years ago, a guy in Rochester, New York, 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:23.919 gets the human variant of mad cow disease, which is 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.720 pronounced our our guests, Steve Kendra will pronounce it for us, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.320 I've forgotten already. Kraig Felt Jakob, Yes, right, something like that, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.880 Kreid's Felt Yakob disease um, which is, like I said, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.920 the human variant of mad cow disease. And it turns 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.359 out that in his history, um, he you know, he 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.960 had been a squirrel hunter, and in his history he 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:51.200 had had enjoyed eating some squirrel brains. So it becomes 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:56.720 this sort of like internet sensation, how he absolutely died 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.640 from eating squirrel brains. But now people are pointing out 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.040 that every year in New York, twenty people die from 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.880 variations of this disease about on average, I think it's 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.280 about one and one million people die from variations of 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:17.880 this disease. And there's no direct reason to believe that 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.520 that's what caused the thing. It was just it was 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.640 a habit he had and he happened to die from it. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.600 But now doctors at that worked on this case are 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.280 clarifying that there's no evidence that the man died as 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:38.960 a result of anything he ate. But it just sounds cool. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.360 And I'm not even saying that. I'm not saying to 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.320 run out and eats squirrel brains. It's just like funny 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.240 the way like people kind of fall in love with 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:51.480 the narrative. Correlations versis causation, people fall in love with 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.800 the narrative. And holy ship to people emailing about that 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:01.640 given like a heads up, heads up, man um guy 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.360 wrote in it, make got anything to say about that? Guys? 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:10.640 Why why are you guys interested in this interesting? Diana 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.560 squirrel brains ain't interesting. No, it's like I'm not gonna 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:18.640 come in contact with them unless I myself make that 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:23.440 situation happen. It's just not something, Yeah, Steve might serve 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.320 them to you. Hey, I recently had my genetic test. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.520 I got a freebee where you get your genetic lineage test, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.800 and I can't bring myself to open up the part 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.680 about the diseases I'm probably gonna get. Oh yeah, you 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.440 have to watch account. I was surprised by some stuff 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.720 man I used. I was like dead sure that I 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:49.839 was Italian, like like that that Sicilian. And it turned 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.240 out that there's also that that that that I have 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.280 some North African ancestry, which probably no doubt came from 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.920 because that's a short little boat ride. No doubt came 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.240 from the Sicilian end. But anyways, I did this thing 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.320 that was surprised to me. They're part of that surprised 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:07.760 me is that there's like a thing where it's like, 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.680 here's the problems you you might have because you're genetics, right, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.320 but you gotta watch a counseling video before you can 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.080 open the file. And I don't have it in me 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.279 to do it. That just says, Hey, this is not 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.320 a predetermined thing, don't I might have This is something 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.359 to watch out for. And I don't even want to know. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.800 I want to all be a surprise. So why twenty 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:32.279 three and me? Aren't there like a bunch of those services. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.520 There's one more credible than the other. Don't know. I 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.640 don't know. It wouldn't the thing you're going to die from. Like, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.320 I mean, everyone's got looking at the same things, right, Yeah, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:46.839 what if they I don't know. I gotta look. They 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.080 might have found something out. No, they don't do it 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.719 like medical testing. Myself, I can't bring myself to open it. Yanni, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:06:00.880 are you cool on scroll brains? Like? Not not feeling interested? Not? Uh? 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.080 We put your mic up to your top. Li Guy 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.599 wrote in we're talking about whether Missouri is in the South, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.760 and I'm saying I keep talking about this. Has anyone 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.000 here familiar with the with the the a thing that 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.919 was written some years ago called equine Gothic and it 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.360 has to do with um. That's very difficult. Like the 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.919 scholars of the American South who discussed Southern literature have 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.040 often had a very difficult time just defining, like what 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.800 is Southern literature, what is the literally the literary the 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.880 literature of the American South? And why are some writers 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.440 from the South not considered Southern writers like Truman Capodi 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.400 um from the Deep born in the Deep South, but 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.279 it is not regarded as a Southern writer. His work 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.200 isn't regarded as Southern literature. But then you look at 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.680 um someone like William Faulkner, obviously a Southern writer, Larry 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:01.039 Brown obviously a Southern writer. And this scholar that this 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.760 thing called equine Gothic, and he found that the real 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:09.520 test isn't like is the person from the South. Do 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:14.120 they have a masculine voice, do they identify with Southern issues? 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.640 Do they have a reverence for history? Is their literatre? 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:22.320 Is their literature body like imbued with religious thinking and 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.040 all these other markers of Southern literature. He came out 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:30.760 and said like, if the writer's work features dead mules, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.160 it's Southern literature and goes in and every person that 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.920 we regard as being a Southern writer, um has a 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.600 lot of dead mules, And so his thing is like, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.360 is there a dead mule in it? If there is, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:48.200 it's Southern literature. And McCarthy, who's kind of you know, South, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.040 But then also Southwest has so many dead mules, and 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.320 like Carmen McCarthy's work is so littered with dead mules 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.240 that he should be regarded as a Southern writer. But 0:07:58.240 --> 0:07:59.680 we're talking about the South. And I was saying, in 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.160 my mind, in the South, is it like does it 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.800 have an armadillo? And so I thought, Missouri, in my view, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.920 is the South because there's a lot of snakes, there's 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.680 a lot of stuff that bites you. And I got 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.880 scared by an armadillo well in Missouri. And the guy 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.800 wrote in and he said, Um, Missouri is a Midwest state. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:22.920 Here's how I know. Missourians refer to coke as pop. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.320 If Missouri was in the South, they would say coke 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.760 to refer to all forms of carbonated beverages except beer. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.920 I was born in the South and lived in Missouri 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.880 for a while, so I'm an expert. So he wanted 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.439 to put that to bed. Another thing, a lot of 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.000 people wrote in about that. I want to clarify. People 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.160 are like people who watched the New Mediator season on 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:52.320 Netflix watched our fog Neck Island episodes and they're like, whoa, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:57.920 why does this not include the material? Um? Why does 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.640 this not include the bear attack that became the meat 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:07.040 tree one into podcast episodes? The answer is, we didn't 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.480 film it, and the mantra is if it didn't happen 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:16.000 on camera, didn't happen. Um, there's no filming of it. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.520 We try to get different ways to like work it in, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.120 but it just isn't like substantiated. You know, it doesn't 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.200 work to like talk in the episode. It doesn't work 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.560 to like talk about how it happened because it just 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.640 seems bullshitty. It's not a story you could have told 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:35.240 quickly either. No, we even talked about bringing in having 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:42.840 someone animated, talked about it, but it just winds up 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.880 being there's just different ways to tell different stories. And 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:51.880 also it involved the crew. Um. And in TV land, 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.880 did they did you study Lauren? Did you study TV making? 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.160 Camera making? What do you guys call it? How when 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.040 I went to schools of video television production, do they 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.319 talk about the fourth wall? Did you? I didn't learn 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.320 about the fourth wall until much, much later. That's interesting 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.200 that you didn't. They didn't teach you that in school, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:16.200 you know? And TV. I don't recall that conversation, but yeah, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.480 and TV and film is a concept of the fourth one. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.720 Let's say you're watching a sitcom. You guys, you guys 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.199 having a private conversation right now, I missed that day. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.320 We're just up. You were interrupting, you guys. Seemed like 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.160 you were going into a private deal. Okay, go ahead 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.760 and share with everyone. We're done now. I just wonder 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.840 to just see what sulemental thing. Oh, you're expressing disbelief 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.920 that he doesn't know what the fourth wall. And I 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.520 was thinking, well, you might have just been kayaking that 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.760 day when they just when they covered that. Oh yeah, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.360 because you were a big school skipper, failed on class. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:56.680 Uh the fourth wall. Let's say you're watching a sitcom 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.360 and you're you the viewer at home or watching the 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:04.880 sitcom you're watching, You're seeing three rooms of the You're 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.840 seeing three walls right of the home because the fourth 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.760 wall of a room. Yeah, imagine like the living room 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.480 and then they walk into the kitchen and you never 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.080 see the wall that you're the viewers looking from. Yeah, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:22.080 that wall is missing because that wall is cameras and crew, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:27.080 director and lights. Right, so and TV is this thing 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.560 like breaking the fourth wall? Breaking the fourth wall would 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:35.439 be revealing, revealing the fact that there's a thing being made, like, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:41.439 you know, exposing the making of something we on occasion 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.400 on the show. I don't think we have any cases 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.840 in season seven of breaking the fourth wall. We do 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:54.160 it very judiciously, right, Yeah, only when it really really 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.040 it would like it would be a great part of 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.640 the story. You know, the story needs it, you know, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.360 to keep moving forward. You know, the first time the 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:08.680 Lavine Eagle ever stepped foot, No, the second time second 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.280 sheot you ever stepped foot into the woods with us. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.080 You broke the fourth wall by spotting up a grizzy 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.760 bearry that was coming into camp um. So that's like 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:25.120 the breaking of the fourth wall. If someone had happened 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.240 to be rolling a camera when we got attacked by 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:34.120 the bear, that would have been a wonderful opportunity to 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.680 break the fourth wall and have to be part of 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.040 the show, even if we had had audio of it, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:48.679 but it's just didn't it wasn't there, didn't work. It 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.200 seems to me that breaking the fourth wall happens in 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.240 hunting production quite a bit. Oftentimes there's no fourth wall 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.920 or the fourth wall, there's part of the disregarded. Yeah, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.280 lot of productions just disregard the rule about the fourth wall, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.280 and the camera person even becomes a character. Yeah. I 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.360 don't like that. It's about it's like it's it winds 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.720 up being really postmodern where it's like a lot of 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.080 and I'm not saying it's in a negative way, a 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.199 lot of hunting shows are very post modern and that 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:24.600 it's a hunting show about making a hunting show, right, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.360 which has postmodern which in school we learn to call 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:34.719 it pomo, which has postmodern elements. What do you think 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.760 about all that? Cal I mean, I just think of 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.280 all those brave pioneers in the hunting production world out 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.120 there that are out to do that, that are pomo 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.640 without knowing it. Because I don't have a problem with it, man, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.840 But it's just like a way, like a decision that 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.480 we made about like a certain reverence for the fourth wall, 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:58.559 and that was in their pitch too outdoor Sportsman's group 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.680 that they're doing a pomo show. Yep, now grasp this. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.400 It's circular. Um, you guys can care if I keep 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:12.280 going on some of these clarifications. Western Nebraska. A lunch 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.800 guy like a lunch lady, who's not a lunch lady. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.480 He's a lunch man. The guy in charge of a 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:22.240 lunch program at a school fixes up some ground meat 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:28.560 and it's beef, but he cuts in some kangaroo meat 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.920 that he bought from his regular purveyor at Cisco, like 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.640 the giant Cisco truck. When I used to wash dishes 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.080 at a summer camp near my home when I was 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.680 thirteam that summer camps food all came from Cisco. Cisco 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.120 sells kangaroo meat, kangaroo meats, inspected kangaroo meat. He buys some, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.600 cuts it in with beef and makes some ground meat. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.960 Word gets out around school he's been cutting in kangaroo 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.600 meat with beef. His explanation is it's a good lean cut. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.800 Why not? Um, So people say, like, oh, like kangaroo 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.560 meat made me sick, which people think is not not true. 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.600 Isn't like the idea of it and the guy gets 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:10.200 fired from buying kangaroo me from the damn supplier. Then 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.680 I'm sure he didn't even it's not even his choice 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.920 who he uses. No, you can buy anything from Cisco. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:22.840 They distribute alligator, They distribute all sorts of crazy stuff 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.760 or stuff that most folks would consider crazy. And this 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.320 guy was just picking from a catalog basically, and he 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:30.920 said serious and he said kangaroo me. I'll grind it 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.400 up and with the kids, probably sticking within his budget 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.520 and being responsible with it other than have him on 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:42.400 the show. Meanwhile, the basketball team has been screaming dunking 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.880 from a free throw line. These kids are good. Where 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.680 the kids learn to jump. I'd like to taste kangaroo. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.320 I've had it. I can't know what happened. Sometimes sometimes 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.560 like something I was doing through work and someone sent 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.720 me a big box, not a big box with sampler box. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:03.720 It had like, um, yeah, meet kangaroo meat, all domestic stuff. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:08.880 Though you know, I don't know the kangaroo. I don't 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.680 know how they were and how I don't I don't 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.560 remember I had ostrich in it. Did they raise kangaroo 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:19.240 in the States, I don't think so. I guess they 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.520 bring in Red'd be smart for us to find out 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.440 more about stuff like this before we talk about it. 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.920 We usually don't make that bad of a mistake. I 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.440 shouldn't have brought it up interesting. I mean we could 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.040 pull up just pull up the Cisco menu online. I 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:37.200 mean Cisco tracks delivered a everywhere everywhere you know some 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.479 episodes ago. Be honest, we're in the middle of a conversation. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.920 I tasked you with finding some real zing or some twain. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.240 You never came through on it. Oh no, I had 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.240 him pulled up. We just never had a chance to 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.760 come back through. Well, I'm gonna give you another chance here. Please, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.960 Can you find out where the kangaroo meat comes from? 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.320 Real quick? Yeah? Um, but I don't want to know that. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.280 If I was in his position, and I've been serving 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.200 probably chicken and beef for as long as I've had 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.879 that job, and I kind of I would call it 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.080 a wild hair to be like, it's a real dude, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.320 I'm not trying to normalize it. It's a wild hair. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.879 Look at that does' here? Okay? Look, and I'm totally 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.960 cool cutting it in. But I think I would have 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:27.720 been like, hey, heads up, what do you guys think, yeah, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:32.080 full disclosure. It's a deviation from the norm certainly. And 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.920 I don't know the guy. That's why I like, if 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.280 use my neighbor and I had a better grip on him, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.240 I might be like, like, for instance, let's say my 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.679 brother ran a lunch hot lunch program and it turns 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.280 out that he's putting in cutting in kangaroo with the beef. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.120 I would think he's not being clever, he's not being tricky, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.720 he's not being cute, see resentful. It's just in his head. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.240 He looked it's like, wow, I can get that for 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.360 that price. And I'm just I think that he would 0:17:58.359 --> 0:17:59.800 have done it, and it wouldn't occurred to him to 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.040 tell anybody about it. This is a guy who micro 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.440 raves dear trim and tupperware containers and put salt on 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.800 it needs it. I mean, think of the attitude. I'm 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:16.040 not calling this uh cafeteria fellow chef, but think of 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.520 the attitudes and most chefs right there, like this is 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.040 my space. I control this, I control what's going on. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.640 I orchestrate what's going on here. It may not even 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:30.560 occurred to this guy in any way to have to 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:35.399 ask anybody about anything that's his domain, right or or 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.159 since we don't know him, maybe he's a total smartass 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.240 and he's real like on the edge, kind of wants 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.200 to quit. Yeah, smoking heaters behind school, right next to 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.680 the no tobacco on school property sign. Yeah, I don't 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.000 know anything about him. And if that was the case, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:54.760 they'd be like, dude, you did it because you thought 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:59.879 it would be funny. Um, okay, you know, you know. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.000 Why don't you want you just to just to come 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.480 full circle on it. Why don't you bring up a 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:08.040 couple of zingers from Mark Twain, Sam Clemens, um, moving 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.159 on down a couple of things. Uh. A friend of 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:17.280 mine shared with me an interesting academic peace about some linguists. 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.160 Who are you guess from here? With the Maori, I'm 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.840 like mutilating the name a little bit from New Zealand. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.879 So the indigenous people of New Zealand, um, and they 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:34.520 were looking at So they drove, Like when the indigenous 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.680 New Zealand or is the Maori, arrived in New Zealand, 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:43.200 they drove. There was a I think it was like 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.000 a family of birds. But these things called MOA's, these 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:51.600 giant flightless birds, um, they drove. They overhunted him and 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.080 drove them to extinction. And linguists are looking at the 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:00.639 Maori language and art and other things, and we're looking 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:06.720 at like did they what was their comprehension of the 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:13.160 extinction that they were causing? And the language is littered 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:20.760 with references to the vanishing and then gone moa. It 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.600 was a cognizant so they saw it coming. It was 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.119 a cognizant thing. And then later when Europeans arrived and 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:31.520 introduced disease and exploitation warfare and started really killing them 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.800 off the mare, we would say we will be gone 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.840 like the moa. So that yeah, So it was like 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.080 because you wonder like when when the you know, all 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:44.280 these you know, wooly mammoth's going extinct, giant ground slaws 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.560 going extinct contemporaneous with the rival the arrival of the 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.439 first Americans who came across the bearing Land Bridge, and 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.120 you wonder did what was their thought process? Like how 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.000 do they look at what was happening? Were they aware 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.560 of it? Or did eventually be like you know what, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.000 I haven't in a long time. But there was people 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.240 who saw some at some point and then never saw 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.639 them or saw him again. So what was their awareness 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.040 of it. But you don't even have to go that 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.359 for I mean, just think of the buffalo hunters that 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.280 we talked about all the time, right, there were definitely 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:19.200 people who were like, we are driving these animals to extinction. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.040 We're watching it firsthand. And then there's the dudes in 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.359 Miles City being like just waiting on that northern herd 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.840 to come down. Horn today talked about haven't seen in 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.439 twenty five years, but it's coming. Yeah. When Hornday came 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.359 out to try to collect one of the last couple 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.480 living ones for for the Smithsonian, he talked about that 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.040 there's people in Miles City who were still just biding 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:44.160 their time, waiting for the next waiting for the next 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.720 big push to come from the north, which never showed up. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:53.200 So yeah, it's it's interesting. Uh. Couple more little tidbits. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.840 Some researchers in New Hampshire and Maine. We're looking at 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:02.080 you know, moose or dying from tick are diseases. They 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.560 looked at a dead mouse, how many ticks around it? 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:12.480 Forty seven thousand ticks, Which is a cute story, but 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.399 it's got nothing to do with it. It's the wolves 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.960 that are killing them, Steve, Wolves aren't even there. The 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:23.000 ticks just slow them down a little bit. Uh seven 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.520 thousand ticks man, and estimated two d and fifty or 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:32.760 so chickerbtes that I had forty seven thousand ticks. The 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:37.480 bear meat that UH got that made us sick, they 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.520 gave us trick on nosis when they tested it at 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:45.960 a lab and in Atlanta, Georgia, had I think eight 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:50.080 hundred sixty or something like that trick annella larva per 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.960 Graham and it while not coming out to that that 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:58.960 meat has close to a half million I can't remember 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.800 the exact number, but I remember this, and I did 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:05.840 the math on it. Close to a half million larva 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.880 per pound of bearing me. If you're eating an effective 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:12.520 piece of bearing me, that's how much is in there. 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.679 Moving on, a guy rolled in and this is kind 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.040 of interesting point. No, this is another comment because we 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.879 just put our like I said, our Sea the seventh 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.560 season the met Eats up as a Netflix original right now, 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:26.399 and so we've been getting a lot of email people 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.520 right in and the guy rolled in and he's like, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.200 I kind of get it. You probably have time to 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.439 get into this. But it weren't talking about with the 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.280 forty mile Caribou Herd and the forty mile We have 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.480 a couple of episodes that focus on the forty mile 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.240 heard of cariboun it lasta called the forty Mile Herd, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:43.919 and he feels like we did a real disservice to 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:50.320 the discussion by not bringing up the degree to which 0:23:51.119 --> 0:24:00.640 aerial wolf control lead to the recovery of that caribou 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:05.240 heard and how um, how kicking ask the forty mile 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.639 Heard is today? And it's interesting because this is just 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.320 another thing about show business. We talked about that a 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.520 whole bunch just didn't make the cut. You got twenty 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:17.080 two minutes. We didn't see or hear a little fun 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.359 that No, and I wanted to point out to him, 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.320 they can't aerial We were actually in a spot that 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.920 they don't aerial gun. They can't aerial gun. And it's 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.800 still you said, how many thousands get nailed by wolves 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.200 out of that herd, like four thousand and get eaten 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.359 by wolves? Yeah, brown bears kill a bunch, Wolves kill 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.040 a bunch. They kill way more than people kill. But 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.119 when the forty mile Heard was really whittled back like 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.840 in the lowest of the lower time, um, it was 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:51.560 aerial wolf gunning, that it alleviated a lot of pressure 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.359 on that herd gave him a chance to come back 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.040 because what happened, but it happened otherwise. But he just 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.800 felt that it was like a missed opportunity to clarify 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:03.160 a point because you everyone, um uh, it just comes 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.080 up now and then like aerial wolf gunning is like 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.959 controversial and every people felt that, Like Sarah Palin's like 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:13.880 literally like that she was literally upshooting wolves out of helicopters. 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:15.399 It was kind of like a just like now and 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.399 then the popular culture kind of grabs onto these little 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:24.360 tidbits that they don't really understand well and run with them. Lastly, 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.880 before we getting what we're here to talk about, Steve, 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.719 you got your calls ready because when I come out, 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:32.520 I'm gonna talk about something else. And then I come 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:33.720 out of this. I want you to be ready to 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.280 rip some calls, some seeker calls. Do you want to 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.680 do the butle I can. It's not gonna blow your 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.600 listeners ears out, but stand by if we're not ready yet. 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.720 All right, I want to tease people with what's coming. 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.159 Um yeah, like this is like an apology to a 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:50.919 bunch of people about something I messed up, and I 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:55.359 feel really shitty about it. Uh. We usually never talk 0:25:55.440 --> 0:26:00.159 in great detail about locations of anything, and I did 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.800 a hunt in southeast Washington and we talked in great 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.960 detail about locations and it was a really bad judgment 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.359 call on my part, and I want to apologize anyone 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.760 who's offended by it. And it was like a shitty 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.159 thing of me to do. I don't want to I'm 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.080 gonna tell you why I did it, and I don't 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.280 want you to think that I don't want people to 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.080 think that I'm justifying what I did. I'm saying that 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.160 it was wrong and I really regret it, and it's 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.160 not a mistake I will ever make again. It was wrong, 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:28.600 but I want to just clear, like to tell you 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.280 where my head was. I think it's like helpful to 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.080 understand where it's coming from, not offered as a justification. 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.760 I felt that that I was hunting on a tag 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.679 that's very difficult to draw. Okay, even to get an 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:43.240 archery permit here takes six to ten years. So thinking there, 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.920 I'm thinking like it doesn't really become like someone's spot, right, 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.159 It's not like you go there every year and do 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.080 something it's like now, and then you're given a you 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.480 know a person might expect to once or twice in 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:59.239 a lifetime, get to go here and hunt. Um. And 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.880 also then remember, people that can draw the tag is limited. 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:07.720 It's tightly limited ten to fourteen people. So whether or 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.920 not people know about it or not isn't gonna have 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.840 any bearing on the competition load because the competition load 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.200 is dictated by the number of tags. Now that gets 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.160 a little bit more complicated, and I'll explain where I'm 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:22.400 wrong on that too, but that was in my mind, 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.320 and my mind was it's limited by the availability of tags. 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.000 Only ten to fourteen people can hunt it anyway, so 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:30.520 you don't need to worry about sending a bunch of 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.200 people to a place that's over the counter, which I 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.359 would really never do. And you can only draw every 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:42.280 like you know, you drawed every ten years, so um, 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.439 it's not like it's your like annual honey hoole. And 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.480 so for those reasons, Um, because we never talked about 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:50.400 specificity of a spot. For the those reasons, I kind 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:51.679 of had in my head that it was okay to 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.399 talk about it. Another thing that influenced my thinking is 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.600 it's a pretty small unit. Most of the unit, or 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.320 the bulk of the unit, majority of the unit is 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.320 privately held. The publicly held peace is basically like just 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.760 a single drainage or you know, kind of a drains 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.800 with a fork in it. Um, there's the most there's 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.520 a lot of places you can stand and look at 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:16.520 the whole entire unit from one spot. Um. Yes, forty 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.280 basically forty square miles of country that you can look 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:24.080 over one spot. It's very easily understood. Um. And I 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.639 just thought that it wasn't really having any real bearing 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.520 on things. The herd moves around a lot in there. 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:32.720 I just didn't seem to matter what what you know, 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.720 where I'm going with this, Johnnie, I want to prepare 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.680 your thoughts. Yeah, I'm preparing a counter thought, okay, and Kay, 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.360 I'd like you to prepare your thoughts, BROLDI, if you 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.360 have thoughts on this, you can prepare them as well. 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.600 That was my thinking. What I didn't consider is this. 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.400 I didn't consider the fact that there are people who 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.840 apply for the unit and they've come to enjoy a 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.960 certain percentage chance of getting it into by talking about 0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.640 it and promoting it, you would dilute their chances, so 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:04.440 that makes it wrong. Um, And it was just wrong 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:08.600 because friends of friends and people I encountered were generous 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.360 enough to tell me about it, and maybe they won't 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.440 draw the tag next year, but maybe their body will 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.520 draw the tag next year. And I screwed their body 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.840 over by talking about it. It was just wrong. I 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:23.080 feel like shit about it. I think about it every day. Yeah, 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.760 it's really interesting because that unit falls in a spot 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.600 where like it's popular enough to have a you know, 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:39.280 low percentage of drawing it. It's not popular enough that 0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.840 like everybody just knows it to be like the Unit 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.800 of Washington, Because if he drew a unit ten or 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.240 nine in Arizona and we went down there for an 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.760 arch real hunt, but sure as hell would have pretty 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.240 much the same experience. Talk to people on the ground 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.720 that hunt it and get info. But it's so popular 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:04.200 already that like we I don't think us talking about 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:08.000 are going to decrease the odds farther right, Like we 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.840 just wouldn't have that effect. So I don't know. I 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.760 can't say if that's actually gonna happen. People might feel 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:15.520 that that's gonna happen, that all sudd there's gonna be 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:20.920 this influx of you know, applications to that unit. Maybe, 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.600 But so I don't know if you should actually feel 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:29.640 that bad. Do you feel bad? No? Why do people 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.240 get mad at me and not you? I don't know, 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:37.960 because you do most of the talking. Kel. Yeah. I 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.480 mean when we first talked about this, I thought it 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.280 was more of like a once in a lifetime unit. 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.320 According to some guys that I talked to, they do 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.760 feel it's a once in a lifetime unit. Um, like 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:53.600 with just the creep of odds, like you're just not 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:58.000 gonna draw this thing twice in that case, like Bridget 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.120 Noon in our office right now, she has a true 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.600 once lifetime tag. Moose tag and Idaho both literally cannot 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:10.000 draw it again. If you're successful, you cannot draw it again. Yeah, 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.040 and well that's interesting. So if you the same thing 0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.200 for all those tropy species, if you draw a bighorn 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.080 and don't not you tag, you get to keep going correct. 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:24.080 That's interesting. Um. Well, if that's a good I'd love 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.200 to have that argument with you, because I think that 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:30.120 would fall in a grouping of regulations that could possibly 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.200 force folks into making poor decisions out in the field. 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:40.080 But to the immediate question, she hasn't once a lifetime 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:45.200 tag and people are crawling out of the woodwork to 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:49.880 help her. Her phone's ringing off the hook with hey, 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.400 I just saw a moose over here. Hey, I just 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.160 saw a moose over here. How does that not fall 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.200 into electronic communications? This is this is the thing we got. 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.440 That's very interesting? How that is legally in Idaho? Though 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:04.000 electronic community two communications are convey the whereabout which I 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:08.640 despise but should be not. Um, how much help do 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.840 you need out there? Like? At what point are you 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:17.360 just not hunting? I feel like good woodsmanship skills are 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:21.040 falling off the table every day. But um, there's a 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.560 there's a good point of like, hey, it's once lifetime tag. 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.680 Other people who have been successful in the same unit 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:33.040 are free flowing with information. You know it's all dated information, 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.520 of course, but they're like, yes, this time, this spot 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.600 went up here, glass from here, called from here, drove 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.120 this road every single day, all that stuff, and it's 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.320 based off the fact that they're never gonna hunt it again. 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:55.640 So in those situations, man, help people out. It's not 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.400 gonna hurt you at all. But you know what, it's 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.320 not like, um, I feel it's wrong even if I 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.880 knew that I didn't harm someone like I've harmed someone's chance. 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.200 It's just like it was like it was like and 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.320 it wasn't even something I thought about. It just happened 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:10.880 very fast, and it's just really it was one of 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.720 my it's one of my biggest like it's one of 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:16.160 my biggest like professional regrets doing that because we have 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.400 a policy of not doing it, and for some reason, 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.320 I've made a snap decision. And I don't think that 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.160 anyone is mad at me about it, is gonna stop 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.000 being mad at me about it because I'm apologized. No, 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.400 absolutely not. They're just gonna dig in deeper. Yeah, I 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.600 sure would. But you know if, on the other hand, too, 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:36.719 like if you feel like giving out really solid information 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:41.160 could somehow deprive somebody of their experience with this golden 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.800 ticket in their hand, that might be a way of 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.320 looking at it. It's not really the way I look 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.000 at it. But I think you just made yourself a scapegoat, 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.160 is all. Because there's a way to check it. See 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.480 how many applications they get for that unit in the 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.800 coming years following the podcast. But the video, Yeah, but 0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:00.400 how do you know that everything else remained constant points 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.160 are constantly going up. And I like, I sympathize with 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.320 some of these people because like I'm a big game 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:11.240 hunter and I'm aware of like certain units and certain 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.120 regions in Western States that are known for certain species. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.239 I didn't know anything about that unit beforehand. You know, 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.719 I've never heard about it. But non residents don't like 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.160 if you go like a service like hunting fool to 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:28.760 do non resident tag applications, they recommend against, they recommend against, 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:34.239 and don't even do Washington applications for so hostile and 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.120 hot Washington, so hostile nons. I'm just saying, you know, 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.399 you gotta sympathize with the guy who's like I have. 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.239 I am sympathized. I'm telling them saying that I messed up, 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.160 and then I'm deeply sorry and I really regretted and 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.240 a stupid thing to do, and it was anything to do. 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.360 Do you guys think and this is something I've done, 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:56.760 do you guys think it would so on the pure 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.840 meat harvesting side of things, I think that the rule 0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.640 of don't drive past one to get one is a 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.600 really good rule. And I know my first year in Idaho. 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.960 I was like, I am gonna hunt within fifteen minutes 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.880 of the office because I know there's elk within fifteen 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:19.600 minutes of the office, and just gave away a spot. Yeah. Um, 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.799 for the greater good, I hope, so do you. I've 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:29.520 often thought, should residents of a county have a better 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.960 chance like written into the system so far away from 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:35.879 what we're talking about right now. I don't think so, 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.080 because we're talking about opportunity. No, I don't think it 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:45.560 should be by county. No, No, No, Alaska does a 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:50.600 lot of stuff like that. Well, there's certain there's certain 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:54.400 zip codes or that are regarded as rural subsistence and 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.200 you have different regulations, but it's a different system up there. 0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.040 But no, I don't think it should be that you 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.280 have to factor in a person zip code to figure 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.160 out what chances they have A draw a tag in 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.399 a certain state could be right for I think it'd 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.279 be right for exploitation, and I think it would be 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:15.160 just like a like add regulatory complexities and they just 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:20.200 do it at the state level. Steve, So, there's a 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.920 contingent of folks in Maryland here who share similar sentiments 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:28.040 about you spot burning, not just you. But Outdoor Life recently, 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:32.120 UH published a little thing on exotic game and where 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.759 you can hunt, so they put Secretar and Del Marva there. 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:41.000 So there's this concern that the about that I don't 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.479 care about that. I'll never apologize about that, apologize about 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:48.120 telling Americans about a wild game resource that's available. Absolutely, 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:53.799 I support that that you're allowed nine of a year. No, 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.840 there's arguments about that too, about whether it's too liberal 0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.640 or whatnot. But you know, the state has a goal 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.520 of sort of containing the population within its current sort 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.920 of distribution. They would have liked to have seen it 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:10.720 contained within southern Dorchester, but it's since expanded into western 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:15.920 Wakamico County across the Nanticoke River, and it's creeping outwards slowly. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.799 The Secret Deer does a great transition, by the way, 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:24.000 real good transition. Uh. Would you mind ripping? Um? Would 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:41.040 you mind ripping a seekist egg? Hall? Liking it there? 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:46.239 And that sound right now it is permeating the air 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:54.120 here about ringing through the marshy silence. Yes, it's an 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:58.560 awesome sound to hear. Walk us through real quick, um, 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:00.960 the real quick and you've done before walks through the 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:07.000 real quick history of how how sica sica or what 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.200 what was it. It's like a sick of sika deer 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:14.280 came to be living here abouts. Well, best of my knowledge, 0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:17.480 there was a gentleman that owned the island of the 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.120 mouth the chop Tank River. I visited the island the 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.080 other day, which is kind of gone. Yeah, a lot 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.600 of the chest Big Bay islands are disappearing before our 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:29.919 very eyes. Um. But they were introduced there and they 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:34.160 escaped the island made the mainland, and uh that established 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:38.279 the population that's grown since they do. He had a 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.680 half dozen of them, and there's now an estimated I 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.200 think that DNA rnists makes the heard between ten and 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.759 fifteen thousand. It's pretty hard to census because the cover 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.600 they live in is just ridiculously thick. As you've seen 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:57.200 this week, imagine trying to count those buggers. Um. So 0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.680 you know, they do very well. And the especially in 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.000 the marshy and and sort of backwater habitats of southern 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:08.600 Dorchester County, which is home to the Blackwater National Wildlife 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.920 Refuge Fishing Bay Wildlife Management Area, tens of thousands of 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:19.360 acres of of sort of brackish water to saltwater marshes 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:24.400 uh interspersed with mostly pine but some hardwood mixed in 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:29.520 upland habitats, and they do really well in that habitat, 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.160 which is, you know, kind of marginal habitat for white 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.480 tailed deer as far as forage quality and that sort 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.759 of thing. So they've kind of supplanted white tails as 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:43.000 the dominant herbivore or ungulate in southern Dorchester County. As 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:46.239 you move northern into the more northern parts of the 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.600 county where you get more agriculture, you will get mixed 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:55.239 species herds, but with both white tails and sca. But yeah, 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:59.799 Southern Dorchester locals referred to it as Sekaville, and they're 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:02.879 like people like really like to draw the distinction around 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.919 here between east side of Chespeake Bay and the west 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.120 side of Chespeake Bay. Like the west side Chespike Bays 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.680 all assholes. East side of Chespeake Bay is like salt 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:15.000 of the earth. Salt of the earth. Great people give 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.200 you the shirt off your back, and the secret deer 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.000 only live with the great people. Correct, they do not 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:24.200 live with the assholes. Right, They're only on the east shore, 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:30.440 eastern shore. If you technical about it, Yeah, I got you, Um, 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.440 and it's all accrued over the last hundred years. Yeah, 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.879 and I think their popularity really has only taken off 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.759 and probably the last ten to twenty years where sort 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.160 of you know, the word has gotten out and they're 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:49.680 good eating, they're abundant or fun to hunt. So it's really, uh, 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:55.520 it's driven least prices. It's just it's driven sort of 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:59.320 public use. So are public lands here in the eastern 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.799 Shore of Maryland. It's been become quite popular and so 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:05.880 there's a contingent of people that think that, you know, 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:09.480 it's gonna overwhelmed the resource. It's too limited, it's too unique. 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.840 It should be protected and valued more by restricting the 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.719 number of tags that are given out, that by introducing 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.839 some form of competition for nonresidents to to obtain those 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.880 permits and all that. Yeah, well it's a non native 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.680 though in the minute, Yeah, it's always really tricky with 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:31.719 to what degree do you coddle, you coddle and encourage 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:36.280 the expansion of a non native species that almost certainly 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:42.000 has to come at some cost to native fauna. Any 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.640 over abundant ungula, even our native white tails, can have 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:50.160 deleterious ecological impacts when they hit numbers that are you know, 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.640 look at any suburban area where hunting doesn't effectively suppress 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:58.880 that population. You'll see massive destruction of undergrowth and that 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.879 sort of thing. They are no different. You know, they 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.680 just happened not to be native, so you know that 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:09.440 that's not thought to be as as uh damaging is 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:13.520 like nutrient were or you know, zebra muscles that have 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:18.640 these you know, catastrophic changes to the environment. But certainly, 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:20.440 if you look hard enough, I'm sure you can find 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.560 the negative impacts that at least overabundant population. But they 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.120 certainly seem at home here and they've really taken to it, 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:31.880 and they've become ingrained in the local culture and considered 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:36.479 by most sort of a naturalized citizen of the Eastern Shore. 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:41.279 Did you know that there was a plan um a 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.839 long time ago, a hundred over a hundred years ago 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:48.640 now to introduce hippopotamuses into Louisiana. They thought they wanted 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.360 to introduce them as a meat source and into control 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:56.799 water hyacinth. Had they done it, Had they done it, 0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.800 you now wouldn't think it was weird buying now, you 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:05.120 wouldn't think it was weird to see a hippo in Louisia, 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:08.960 in the Bayou Country, and I feel now it's like 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:14.440 these deer seems like totally unweird and at home, I 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.080 have to admit, you know, they seem like it like 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.520 it wouldn't surprise you. It's not like zebras running around. 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.360 It's because someone told me, like, oh, no, it's just 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.280 this native species deer. I like that makes sense. Hippost 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.040 kill a lot of people, though, that'd be like introducing 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.920 a grizzly bear. No, they're way worse than grizzlies and 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:33.000 wolves into the Deep South, right, like hundreds of people 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:37.200 you're dying from hippo's seriously, Well, yeah, so I think 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.040 it would be a little different. I think the weirdness 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:44.120 would still be, like, why did we introduce this aquatic killer? 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.080 Yeah it's I'm not it's not apples and apples. It's 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.520 not happening that. But I'm saying, like, over time they 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.760 become like the sika deer that they call now folks 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.880 around here calls sick of deer. But it's just it's 0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:59.760 too confusing to me because we already have a sitka 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:03.120 black tail sit cub blacktail, and so a sick of deer. 0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:05.399 I just say sikus so I can keep my head 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:10.800 straight and the heads straight with those around me. Um. 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.600 But yeah, I feel that it like, uh, it doesn't 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.600 take long for the animal to become woven into the 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.719 cultural fabric. Guys drive around here with decals on their 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:24.200 window that's say marsh ghost snakeheads too. There. There's like 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:29.080 a snakehead culture here too, that's established in five years, 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:38.000 snakehead fishing culture, snakehead guys, snakehead contest, snakehead tackle. You 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:42.960 guys really grab on Asian stuff. They like Asian species exactly, 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.759 and yet are one all you can eat buffet and 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.719 Cambridge closed a couple of years ago. Sad to see that. 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:55.960 Go can use apples with the call behind. Yeah, a 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.120 lot everybody knows the words stagged, but I feel like 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.520 some good percents people probably don't. Really is that the 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:05.120 gender opposite term. The gender opposite term for stag is 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:13.280 hind same way bull cow buck, dough. Yeah, it's hind 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:21.000 with a d boor sal stag. Hind our Buck already 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.879 said that you can always tell new Seeka hunters because 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:27.360 they call him sitka deer and they call him hinds 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.960 h I n e s behind, which they're not. They're 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.799 hinds with a D. And the stagg and hind thing 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.040 probably came from British culture. Yeah, yeah, because they've been 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.960 introduced there as well. Okay, rip out of rip out 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:53.960 of hind call The similarities between these sons of bitches 0:45:54.000 --> 0:46:02.319 and um elk Antler structure kind of the the the 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:08.400 main on the stag, the breeding behavior, their demeanor, demeanor 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:13.560 when they stand out there, they look I mean impressive, 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:19.120 the buglan, the cow calling, all the crazy vocalizations, the 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.120 fact that they come to the calls verty olk like 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.400 very fun. Nothing like hunting milk with their elk like 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:30.319 little critters. The stags got little ivories like bull elk. 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.000 You checking out little tiny things. You don't want to 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:37.920 get on the ground with these things. You're honest And 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.239 I found out you're honest. Knew you. Let me find 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:43.680 out for myself. Are you in the marsh because they'll 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.000 charge you you get too close or they'll just vanish. 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.880 You just can't see the things. Yeah, like three and 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:51.680 a half feet tall. What is the hind? What is 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:56.640 the hindway? The average probably dresses at pounds somewhere there. 0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.399 You might get a monster behind the dresses sixty less 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.719 than a bull elks hind quarter. She weighs less than 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:07.600 a Yeah, definitely weighs less than the bull elks hind quarter. Stags, 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:11.760 she weighs less in the bullouks hind quarter. I've seen 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.279 stags as biggest one ten one fifteen dress come in 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.239 through the check station at Blackwater when I used to 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:22.759 work down there. But it uh, it's the average is 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.640 generally eight five maybe ninety pounds for a mature stag. 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:33.080 It's a true monster that HiT's plus one. Yeah, Dinky, Well, 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.360 you know what, man, you want to talking about you 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:36.800 having a good segue. You want to talk about a 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.479 real bad segue? Is this? I forgot to talk about 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.239 the blue crab in real quick, right, And the reason 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:43.600 I want to talk about the blue crab real quick 0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.440 because that we talked about it before we did it, 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:49.360 before we hunted deer. Right, So fact check me on this, 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:50.920 don't have you fact check me on some on some 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:56.080 other stuff about Sika deer. But if you're a resident here, 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.240 you can go out and get a license, a separate 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:04.200 license to run a blue crab trot line. Correct, Yep, 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:08.160 it's called a recreational crabbing license, and what allows you 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.080 to do is take a twelve allows you to run 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:17.480 a twelve hundred foot trot line. There's no hooks. It's 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.560 like this twet of line and you just tie a 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.640 little slip knot loops all along it and put in 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:27.920 two two and a half inches of chicken neck in 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.759 each loop. So you have this twelve hundred foot thing 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.280 right the length of four football fields, and every five 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.400 ft is a two inch chunk of chicken neck tied 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:39.479 onto the line. And you go out to a likely 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:42.160 spot and we went out to a submerged creek channel, 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.080 so the surrounding stuffs like one or two ft deep, 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.839 but then there's this the submerged creek channel that's six 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:51.040 ft deep, and on one end of the twelve hund 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.200 foot line. You gotta weight like an anchor and coming 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.560 up as a booty to mark the anchor. And so 0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.200 you set it. You set the anchor, and then you 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:05.480 lay out this feet of chicken necks and pull the 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.480 line tight and set that anchor, and you wait a 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:12.560 coult minutes and go down to the other end where 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:17.239 you began setting, and you grab the line that has 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.920 the chicken necks on it, and the boat has you 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:21.960 just like hook a little arm out on the side 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.160 of your boat. So just imagine, like imagine that you 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.360 hung your arm out over the gun of the boat, 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:33.279 and you drape the trot line up over your arm 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:38.120 and then slowly motor along so that it's anchored on 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.200 each end, but you're lifting apart up up to the 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:44.080 water surface and just cruising along. Can I ask you 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.359 a question? So there's no silk time. It's like, by 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:49.120 the time you get the line laid out, your turn, 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:52.799 don't let it, so it's time to check it. The 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:54.560 minute you get laid out, let's go back to where 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:56.839 you started. Drape it up over the arm, and then 0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:00.279 motor that ft and you're going along slowly. It's just 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.920 raising it up, and the chicken necks are coming up, 0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:07.640 going don't, don't, don't over your arm, and the blue 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:12.560 crabs hang on so tenaciously that they're gonna hang onto 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:14.719 that chicken neck. Most of them hang onto that chicken neck, 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.360 and they're gonna hang onto it until they get to 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:20.000 the air the last second. Yea, if it's sunny out, 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.279 they're more likely to drop off. On a cloudy day, 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.440 they're more likely to hang on. So you got your 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:25.960 guy driving the boat, and then you got your guy 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.280 with a wire mesh net, the same kind of wire 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.239 mesh you used for smelt dipping, where you can really 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.480 grease it through the water quick. There's no drag, you know. 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.960 It's like chicken wire basket on a net on the net, 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:39.040 and you stay in there and as you see the 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:43.040 crabs rise up, you get your net down and you 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:46.319 get the line because the crabs hanging off the bait, 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:51.719 so your your net needs to come in and kind 0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:53.600 of grab the line at the top of the net, 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:55.759 and then you basically use the net to knock the 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:59.760 crab off the line into the net, and you whip 0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:02.440 them up and put them into a bushel basket. And 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:07.359 it took us seven passes one, two, five, six, seven, 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.600 like no wait time, just down, back, down, back, down back. 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:14.080 It took us seven passes to fill up a bushel 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:18.160 basket with blue crabs. How many a bushel do you think? 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:23.000 It varies a lot many. And they say because this 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.440 is big blue crab country and there's a commercial industry 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.480 and everything for blue crabs that there's like it's a 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:32.240 unit of measure so bag limit is volume bag limit. 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.279 It's like shrimp right in Alaska. Volume bag limit, not 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.920 number bag limit. And it could be it could vary greatly, 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.239 but it should be that. I think if you have 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:44.759 a bushel basket there's forty pounds, I think it needs 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.640 to be right at least forty pounds are in that 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:50.000 bushel basket something like. They're not entirely sure there's a 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:54.120 weight component. It's a volume thing. But industry standard is that. 0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.440 My understanding is the industry standard is it should include 0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.160 it should include a certain weight and alive route luke 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:04.040 crab eyed guests would weigh half a pound, right something 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:11.800 like that? Yeah, yeah, probably. So there's over a hundred 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.880 of them. And and the thing about these blue crabs 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:17.520 are as, it was explained to me that they're like 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:23.480 the population demographics flucture fluctuate a lot according to salinity. 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.279 So there are areas you can go they have far 0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:32.200 fewer blue crabs but tend to be bigger, and there's 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.200 areas you can go that have hordes of them that 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:37.799 tend to be dinks. And the guy we were with 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:43.200 was explained that this is a salinity level and location. 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.239 He feels kind of hits that sweet spot between good 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:51.759 size and abundance. Yeah. In North Carolina, when we go 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:56.960 down to Jennifer's families camp on Topslow Island, that camp 0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.759 is a lot closer to the inlets, higher salinity, and 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:03.440 we've feel like we get bigger blue crabs, and the 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.160 once we get her parents house, which is farther away 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:10.400 from the chew inlets, big mambo jombos. Another thing I 0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:14.880 learned is that soft shell crab like during the summer, 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.400 like blue crabs, grow fast, and during the summer, they 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:22.320 mold every month. I don't know if every crab molts 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:25.160 every month or if they have to hit like a 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:29.399 certain size, but there's always like an age class that's molting. Yeah, 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:33.120 And females have a terminal mold. Females will do at 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:37.560 some point they stop molding and the male will continue 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.799 to mold. Correct. When you see soft shell crabs on 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:42.360 a menu. And here's the part that I didn't realize. 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:45.839 When you see soft shell crabs on the menu, it's 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:50.040 not that the dude's out crabbing and catches a soft 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:53.200 shell and throws him in a separate bucket. You take 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:59.399 crabs and retain them and keep checking them. What they're 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.560 looking for is peelers, crabs that have started the process. 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.800 You can tell there's a different coloration in the backfin. 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:08.759 So you can hold that up to the light and 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:12.600 you can see this little sort of pinkish ring, and 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.080 that's a peeler. That's a crab that's approaching the mall. 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.719 And they'll take those and they'll put them in these 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:20.840 shedding houses and they'll keep them in these big troughs 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:24.399 with with sort of flowing water going over and they'll 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:27.560 check them hourly um through the night because it usually 0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:31.879 takes place at night, and usually the vast majority molt 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.839 during the full moon, and so it's an all night thing. 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.000 They're checking them all night long. And as soon as 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.759 they they yeah, as soon as they shed out, they 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:42.000 get them out of the water. You have to get 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:43.799 them out of the water immediately, because as soon as 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:47.120 they shed what they do is they puff up with 0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:50.360 water to expand that new shell and it gets bigger 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.880 than their current body size. And then they grow into 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:58.680 that so very quickly that uh, that softest baby's bottomed 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.960 skin crab we'll turn into what they call a paper crab, 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.440 where it gets kind of crinkly it's still softish, but 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.480 it's kind of crinkly. And we had one of those yet, 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:11.000 one of those, like the the top of it was 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:16.879 when they fried, it was like lifted off the Yeah. 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:19.319 So when they're pulling them out of traps, are off 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:22.960 of a trot line, are they looking at him and saying, pop, peeler, 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:27.839 regular crab, regular crab, crab peeler. So they're like, well, 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:31.600 I think they might be doing some sorting. So most 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:35.000 of the commercial guys are not doing They're not handling 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.640 each crab individually like Steve Bois. Within that they're they's 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.879 got a like a big basket that that line runs 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.960 up through and then but someone, at some point, someone's 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.680 got a Yeah, and if you know what you're looking for, 0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.040 it's it's plain as day. I've always had a little 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.000 bit of trouble trying to figure out what it's the 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:53.400 difference between a peeler and a regular hard shell crab. 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:59.040 Guy can't retain females, and on a dungey, I have 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.160 to look at the bottom carapists to tell a male 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:05.960 from a female. But on these the females have red 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:10.359 claw tips. Yeah, and I don't want a gender stereotype. 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.759 But people say, you see that red thing, and as 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:17.600 females have their nail polish on, and I'd get so 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:19.560 good and my little John, I learned not to even 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.680 net those ones and just just to kind of brush 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:24.200 them off the line and let them go. But the 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:28.799 commercial guys are allowed to keep its interesting. Um, you 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:30.920 can keep them in North Carolina, but we choose not 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.680 to because you guys are conservation is thinking that they're 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:37.120 going to make more. Yeah, that's another good thing to 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:41.200 bring up. A male crab is a jimmy and a 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:45.399 female as a what a sock double? Okay, isn't there 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:49.239 multiple kinds of sucks? There's uh, what do they call him? 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.920 A sally? As an immature? That's right, so they have 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:57.840 more of a triangular shaped apron, and once they hit maturity, 0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:03.880 the soock has a big sort of rounded apron. It 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:05.640 was good to learn about the molding thing because that 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.080 was the thing I've always curious about when we trapped Dungeoness. 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:11.080 Crabs is now and then you get one who's still 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:13.840 got a soft ast shell, not like he's on the 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:17.000 way out, but it's his new shell. And we'll throw 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:20.880 those back because you open them and there's like no 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:24.640 meat in there, right, And I now realize it's because 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:27.760 he just got a bigger shell that he hasn't filled 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:31.280 out yet. So now I've learned, instead of bringing home 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:32.680 and go open it up and it's full of like 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:36.760 watery emaciated stuff, we just ditch them. But I never 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:38.880 knew like quite what I was looking at, like why 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.360 it was that way he had like gotten himself. It's 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:44.720 like when you're buying shoes for your kid. You're like, 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.600 I'm not gonna buy your shoes that fit dead on 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:49.200 nuts because you're gonna tomorrow they won't fit anyone and 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.520 make you struggle through the big ones for a few months. 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:56.880 Then you'll fit them and then move one. Okay, fact 0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:00.280 check anything else on crabs. So we covered it pretty good, Oh, 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.240 soft shell crabes. A way to clean it. You kind 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.160 of open it up and get the gills out, get 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:07.160 the guts out, put it kind of back together again, 0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:08.800 and then fry it. Did you realize that, Colt, No, 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:12.160 I thought they just fried the whole thing. Cut the 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.800 face off, cut the apron off, and then you lift 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:18.480 the sex organs yep, lift up the points and you 0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:21.080 clear those dead man's fingers. They call them the lungs 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.440 out on each side. Some people go as far as 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:28.000 to clean out the mustard and the guts and fatten 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:31.760 the like. I think it adds a particular place, So 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:33.680 I'm not a big mustard guy personal. Okay. One one 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:38.680 question though, is uh, when they're harvesting these things out 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:45.880 of the mold house the sloughing house, Um, are they 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:51.520 just like throwing them in the freezer. Yeah, it depends 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:53.360 on what their market is. That they do freeze some 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:55.520 that some gets sold fresh, you know, right away to 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:57.560 local markets. But they just keep them out of the 0:58:57.560 --> 0:58:59.640 water to stop the molten. Yeah. I think they'll put 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:03.120 them on eye those crab balls. Yesterday that place had 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:07.240 sawshells for sale. Yeah. Did you catch the price? Nope, 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:11.160 don't ask. I'm jealous of the crab balls. Dude, crabballs. 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:12.800 Good you by a half dozen or a dozen? Me 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.840 and Steve Eats threw down on a half dozen, and 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.440 Steve said here has made it back to the house here, Yeah, Steve, no, 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:23.280 we ate him. Steve said hereabout and crab country. You 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:25.920 can't get away with pulling that long John Silver's bullshit 0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.760 and putting in all the fillers. He says, a crab 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:33.280 ball is crab like people. People are intolerant of you 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:37.600 making like a little crab flavored hush puppies, and the 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:40.040 crab cakes like in the Rocky Mountain States are a 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.360 little lacking. You know a lot of times it's soft 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:46.440 bread crumb, yeah, yeah, with a little nugget in there. No, 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:50.280 these crab balls are crab, not cutting it with kangaroo 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.800 or anything. They don't cut. They don't cut any they 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:58.880 don't cut any room eating there, man Um Calum was 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:00.560 one other thing. I don't know if you you weren't 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:03.000 out with us, you don't those crabs have two packers. 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:07.080 Oh yep, yep, you knew that. Yeah, Keith like that. 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:11.800 I'm sorry. Trevor Um pointed that one out kind of 1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:15.160 as a as a you know, don't you wish type 1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:17.200 of thing. Yeah, it's a little bit disturbing. I don't 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:22.280 wish that I had to at some level. It's like 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.520 it's intriguing to me, and I considered it, but in 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:28.160 the end no, because I feel that it would be 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.320 one of those things that you might view as being 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:34.880 initially advantageous, only to find that it doesn't in fact, 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:42.920 what in the world. But I tell tell the Matthews 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:46.400 story because I think that pertains to this very well. Yeah, 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:50.000 so well, like I feel that it would be one 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:53.160 of those things that you might initially think was a 1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:57.920 great advantage. But there's a thing called sexual selection in 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:01.800 this world where there are like attributes, like people think. 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:06.480 Give you an example, people think the antlers, Okay, the 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:10.760 antlers on the elk are are not like driven by 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:14.120 like natural selection of like competitive advantage, but are a 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:18.920 thing of sexual selection. Meaning that a bull, let's say 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.080 a deer, puts on a huge set of antlers. It 1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:23.320 comes at a cost, right, because he needs to put 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:27.400 nutrients into producing those antlers. It's extra weight he needs 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:30.160 to carry around. Um, the the extra weight he's carry 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:32.760 around these, he needs to take in more calories to 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.880 tote it around. Um, he can't slick through the brushes nice. 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:38.960 All these kind of things. But the sexual advantages that 1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:44.320 females view those antlers as a sign of fitness, and 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:46.720 you might think, like, oh, he needs these big antlers 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:49.200 to fight. But the more important component might be that 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:54.240 a female associates good antler growth with health, and she 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.320 wants to have sex with that buck Yeah, you'll hear 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.440 people say antlers are for fighting off wolves and things 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:01.760 like that, all to get the late it's a sexual display. 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:07.480 That's not Let me just my point. Please, if you 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:09.000 don't mine, and then then I'm gonna open it up 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:10.680 to you. But I haven't gotten to where I'm going 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:16.440 with this. Uh what was I saying? Oh yeah, Turkey 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:19.360 on a strutting Tom, it's all sexual display. He doesn't 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:21.480 like advantage to him to do. That's just he's gonna 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:24.560 luring ladies. It comes at a cost, point being you 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:29.760 might think that having dual peckers is like awesome, but 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:33.400 it could be that that is not a good sexual 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:39.080 display and in fact pushes possible mates away, like they 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:41.880 just can't get on board with it. Having one cause 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:46.040 is enough problems. Yeah, go ahead, I'm hoping the floor 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:48.240 up to be honest. Now, that's all I just wanted 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:51.480 to arrive at that point. Oh, I'm just saying that 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:55.240 the antlers aren't we There was just that paper that 1:02:55.320 --> 1:02:57.840 was published. I thought we all passed around about the 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.600 how they're talking about the antlers on the Boilk and 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:04.760 Yellowstone and that having those big antlers came at a 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:08.360 cost because it took more energy to produce such a 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:10.320 big anlers, so it might have produced it might have 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:13.080 brought in more ladies, but the bigger antlers weren't, to say, 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:16.360 better in defending themselves from the wolves. So there there's 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:21.280 actually some what's that called like nature deciding which way 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:25.920 it's gonna go, selection towards smaller antlers because it didn't 1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:28.520 cost so much energy. It made them better, more agile 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:30.920 to fight off the wolves. Yeah, but you agree that 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:33.800 people think dear have antlers just for fighting, and they 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:36.439 don't often realize that there's things in the animal world 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:41.120 about sexual display and definitely things in the human world 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:45.440 about sexual display. Yeah, it's probably, but I wonder too 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:49.480 about what do we really know the thought process that 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:52.240 a female deer is going through well, and she decides 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:56.520 to who she's gonna allow to breed her, because you know, 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:59.520 you hear all the time about while the herd bulls 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:01.840 off to his hair um, all the satellite bulls are 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.760 kind of slipping in and breeding cows behind them. So 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:07.360 if they're allowing that to happen, they kind of blows 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:09.880 that whole theory. And QD m Aid not a whack 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:15.520 just released a study last year that says almost the 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:18.880 same thing, where it's like, if that for good horn 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:21.520 is at the right place at the right time, it 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:25.000 will absolutely breathe that though she will allow it, yeah, 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:29.000 just because it's it's a timing thing. But to jump 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:31.840 back to the two pecker thing, right, So, when you're 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:37.720 busting up these crabs, you ripped like for um uh yanni. 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:39.800 You were saying that a lot of times, you guys, 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:42.920 you guys will pre clean and then steam. Um. So 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:46.760 you ripped the carapace off and you you're looking at 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:53.680 a ideally a perfectly symmetrical animal right there, right, So 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:57.400 you got a knuckle consisting of how many legs five 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:05.360 legs on the side, and so is the female set 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:08.360 up the exact same way where there's a reproductive organ 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:11.439 on each side. Oh that's a good question. I don't 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.320 know if she's symmetrical in her reproductive organs. Yeah, because 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:16.720 that makes sense, right, Yeah, I just just had that 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:19.720 thought when we were checking out the two packers. I 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.160 can't answer that if they have dual like what their 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:24.400 ovary structure is and whatnot, and if they have what 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:26.680 their cloaca or event is that they have two or 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:32.840 one side. I think no expert on blue crabs. But 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:37.920 a female that's bread they call her sponge crab, and 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:41.120 she houses, she releases all those eggs onto these little 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:44.120 filaments under her apron, and her apron will sort of 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:47.520 bulge out and there will be this cloud of eggs. 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:52.320 And I think that's that the fertilization is external. I 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.160 don't think they're like breeding there. I think the males 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:59.080 are inserting their pin I into that cloud of eggs, 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:03.680 and just like fishif that's how my kid found out 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:09.000 about uh, human love making because we're looking at we're 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:12.480 cleaning perch, and we're looking over cleaning salmon, and I'm 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:15.600 showing them the eggs and the sperm, and I'm explaining 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:19.480 how the female lets the eggs out in the in 1:06:19.520 --> 1:06:23.160 the red and the male puts his seed in there 1:06:23.200 --> 1:06:26.680 and fertilized the eggs and it happens externally. And he 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:31.520 got to wondering, since a mommy person has the baby 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:35.720 inside of her, how in the world do you deliver 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:40.920 the sperm? And he later was explaining to his nanny. 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:44.240 We overheard him saying, and my mommy did that three times? 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:51.360 Um uh yeah, can you zap us with the Mark 1:06:51.360 --> 1:06:54.840 Twain quote. Now, yeah, well I got a bunch of them. 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:59.440 Here's what your favorite. The one I always remember and 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:02.040 just so I can get it just right that I like. 1:07:02.440 --> 1:07:05.720 And I try to uh most to come back to you. No, 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:10.880 and uh I try to do this myself, not so 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:13.520 much that I want like you to abide by this quote, 1:07:13.520 --> 1:07:14.960 but I try to keep it in my mind. But 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:17.200 it's out. It is better to keep your mouth closed 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:19.240 and let people think you are a fool than to 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:25.120 open it and remove all doubts. Another one. Whenever you 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:28.040 find yourself on the side of majority, it is time 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:31.720 to pause and reflect. Here's another one. It is not 1:07:32.160 --> 1:07:34.320 the size of the dog in the fight. It's the 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:39.280 fighting the dog. Can't depend on your eyes when your 1:07:39.320 --> 1:07:44.600 imagination is out of focus. Well, that's a good hunting one. Actually, 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.680 it is a good one. Courage is resistance to fear, 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:55.600 mastery of fear, not absence of fear. Mark Twain, I 1:07:55.600 --> 1:07:59.920 think that cannot depend on your eyes when you're imagine 1:08:00.000 --> 1:08:02.080 ation is out of focus may relate to your bow 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.959 hunting conundrum, and it relates to anyone who ever thinks 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:09.720 they saw a bigfoot. Fact check me on this dave 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:15.200 back to seekadeer the way Maryland manages seek a deer 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:18.559 and all, dear, I think, is this that you have 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:26.000 bag limits that relate to the weapon restriction. I'm not 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:31.000 saying that very well that you have. The state recognizes 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:36.519 three weapons distinctions correct archery, which includes cross bowls, correct 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:43.880 mosle loader, and general firearm general firearms. Some counties are 1:08:43.880 --> 1:08:47.439 shotgun only, some allow centerfire rifles. You're in an area 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:51.920 that allows centerfire rifles, so you're allowed three Sika deer 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:57.000 per weapon. Right. Each season has its own bag limit 1:08:57.720 --> 1:09:00.519 two or a total of three normal more than one 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:03.439 stag correct, so you could shoot three highs or one 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:08.639 stagging two higns. And we came down for the final 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:14.080 days of the archery season Early archery, Final days of 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:17.040 early archery, and gave it are all for three days. 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:23.720 I was the only one that loosed an arrow ineffectively, 1:09:23.760 --> 1:09:28.840 but I loosed the narrow um And you guys are 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:32.680 trying to hunt with traditionally. I kind of like take 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:35.200 offense that calling it traditional archery because it's like a 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:37.280 really like non traditional elements that like what do you 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:41.160 guys call it? Bow would not be because carbon like 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.960 a carbon fiber long bow. Yeah, there's carbon fiber sandwiched 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:49.559 in between real wood and carbon fiber and carbon fiber arrows. 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:54.400 Nothing real traditional about it. Yeah, but it's like it's 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:57.400 like modern longbow and you have a modern No, you 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:00.840 kind of an old timey recurve bowl. It's modern. I mean, 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:05.599 it's got fiberglass. It's a bear production bow, so from 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:07.760 the olden days. Though, if it's a vintage bow, I 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:10.320 think that bos probably hearkens back to the old times 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:14.559 for a long time, and back then you didn't buy 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:16.840 a new bow every year. He's had the same damn 1:10:16.840 --> 1:10:19.720 bow for forever until compounds came. I shoot him till 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:23.479 they break. Did I get anyone? Yeah? Oddly enough, you 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:26.200 do not eat a new bow every year. I once 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:31.719 heard a gay explaining to a first time I want 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:36.040 want to be first time archer that if you call 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:40.000 yourself a serious bow hunter, you buy a brand new 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:42.799 bow every year. And I talked to myself, My God, 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:49.800 the power of marketing. I'll talk quickly. I'm gonna touch 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:52.040 on my closest close encounter with my boat, and I 1:10:52.120 --> 1:10:54.599 like you guys to quickly touching your closest close encounter 1:10:56.080 --> 1:10:58.960 my closest close encounter. I see one of these little 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:02.920 seka deer come through, coming across the open marsh. There's 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:05.639 a lot of like stuff here that's just impenetrable ten 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:10.840 ft high frag mighty's grass, and there's like some areas 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:13.479 that are other kinds of impenetrable lower plants. Then you 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:15.320 get lucky now and then here and there, and it's 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:17.320 just like an ankle high marsh. And then you can 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.320 see what the hell is going on. And I see 1:11:19.360 --> 1:11:24.120 this lone stag crossing a big stretch of ankle high marsh, 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:26.559 and his line of travel is gonna like bring him 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:28.360 to where his closest point would be like a hundred 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:33.720 and fifty yards. I decided to call at it and 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:36.120 use what like Steve had called in one this is 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:38.479 gonna be I'm gonna steal part of your storage you 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:40.599 had called in one I think it was the day before, 1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:47.559 using a combination of hind the calls in a stag bugle. 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:51.760 So I zapped him with the ken drop combo, which 1:11:51.760 --> 1:11:54.559 we'll call it. And he's sure enough to just much 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:57.040 to my surprise, turns and starts heading in my direction 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:01.479 and then vanishes into the frag Mighty's and I'm like 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:04.400 sitting there wondering. I'm standing up ready, and you have 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:06.360 no idea what's going on because you can't see anything. 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:10.800 And then you hear like the water his feet coming 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:13.200 through the marsh, and all of a sudden, he pops 1:12:13.240 --> 1:12:15.600 out in the one and the worst possible area to 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:19.160 pop out, where it's just all these little dead pine trees, 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:24.559 like a little dead lob lollies. Yeah, yeah, probably like 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:28.360 a bigger round like thick as your thigh, a bunch 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.599 of dead ones. And he just comes right out in there, 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:33.439 and he's like, there's no possible shot opportunity. Already got 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:36.080 my bow back, and he's like his rib cage is 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:38.439 blocked by trees. Rib cage is blocked by a tree, 1:12:38.479 --> 1:12:42.040 His rib cage is blocked by a bush. And I'm thinking, man, 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:43.640 this is never gonna happen. I can't hold my bow 1:12:43.720 --> 1:12:46.200 bag forever. And he's just gonna pass underneath me and 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:49.000 be gone. And all of a sudden, here like stops 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:52.120 in the opening and there's his rib cage exposed the 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:56.080 eighteen yards and I'd like I had fallen out of 1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:58.200 my like what you need to do to make this happen, 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:00.800 and I had fallen into my I can't believe this 1:13:00.840 --> 1:13:03.240 is happening, Like I can't believe this isn't gonna work out, 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:07.080 And and in there forgot about the part about aiming 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:09.760 and everything and just sail it over, not sail it over, 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:13.479 slip it over his back. You aimed where you were, 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:18.120 where you're thinking, until you stopped being stopped thinking. And 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:21.200 I had a tree. I had ranged a bunch of trees, 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:23.639 and I had I had my like thirty yard tree, 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:25.880 and he popped out at the thirty yard tree, and 1:13:25.880 --> 1:13:28.479 in my head was like the thirty yard pin. And 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:31.559 I'm analyzed and I'm running processing so many other little 1:13:31.560 --> 1:13:34.519 bits of information during this time. I never adjust. So 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:38.240 I'm already a little high because he's now eighteen yards 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:39.880 and I got my I'm still looking at my thirty 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.439 yard red pin. And then the other thing is in reviewing, 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:45.639 like I have the great luxury being able to review 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:48.080 footage and to see what happened. And ridge ponder was 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:51.639 on the deer and you can go frame to frame, 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:54.400 and there's a frame where you can you catch the 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:57.599 fletching of the arrow crossing the tree trunk, and that 1:13:57.720 --> 1:14:01.760 deer is already dropped four or five inches in the arrow. 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:05.120 He's not ducking well. I mean, you know what I'm saying, 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:09.520 reacting to the sound. He's loading up to spring away. 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:11.439 So when people say he ducked the arrow, he's not 1:14:11.479 --> 1:14:16.479 like arrow coming, he's loading up to go. If you 1:14:16.520 --> 1:14:19.280 watch a deer takeoff and slow motion, they go down down, 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.599 and then they're like, he's already doing his Like I'm 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:26.639 getting out of town, and cal brought up A good 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:29.519 point is like, and this is something you'll never know. 1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:36.280 If I hadn't Stagg called, and I had just Hind called, 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:38.920 would he have come in with a different attitude and 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:43.599 not so high strung? And I don't know. I don't 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:46.080 know either, but from a lot of time in the 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:49.800 Elk Woods, I would say yes. It would be like 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:52.240 if let's see youre walking, had he even turned, he 1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:53.760 might not have come in at all. He may not 1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:55.720 have come in at all. Let's say you're walking on 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:58.479 the road and you hear someone scream out. A woman 1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:02.559 scream out hell, hell, okay, you're coming in with one 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:06.760 attitude and she says, help, help, there's a madman with 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:09.000 a gun in here. You're coming in with a different attitude. 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:13.679 Still coming, Well, yeah, some people wouldn't, but you're still coming. 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:15.840 You're just coming in with a different attitude. So for 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:19.840 me being like me, me and me right right, He's like, man, 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:24.920 I'm coming, but I got my head on the flat. 1:15:25.360 --> 1:15:28.640 I'm coming in hot, I'm coming in nervous, so I 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:32.320 don't know, just missed them, you know, miss them. And 1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:38.360 then all the like trouble, just the mental problems, which 1:15:38.360 --> 1:15:40.479 I'm still struggling with. I'm more made up for it, 1:15:40.600 --> 1:15:45.599 I'll point out later, but um uh yeah, it's really 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:48.960 like difficult. Man. You practice and practice and practice, but 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:54.280 it's hard to um when you're practicing. It's like it's 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:56.800 just as different than the things that happen in real life. 1:15:57.360 --> 1:16:00.679 Things happen in real life, all these other things enter in. Yeah, 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:04.120 that's there's no no substitute for experience in the wood. 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:05.760 And it's almost like you need to go out new yard. 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:07.680 When you're new yard shooting your bowl at targets, you 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:09.880 almost need to have to hire people just to come 1:16:09.880 --> 1:16:13.600 and do weird stuff. Yeah, like I'm gonna shoot my 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:15.640 bowl and at some point during the suiting session, I 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:17.280 want you to sneak up and slap me with a 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:21.360 stick and learn how to shoot, knowing that in any minute, 1:16:21.360 --> 1:16:23.479 southing like like to learn how to shoot, knowing that 1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:26.800 there's unexpected things, like when you're shooting in the yard, 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:29.840 you're like, you range it, it's not you know, you can't. 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:33.240 It's hard to replicate. You could even replicate a target 1:16:33.280 --> 1:16:35.320 that keeps moving behind stuff somehow. Like when we were 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:38.519 little kids, we strung the wirire between two trees and 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:42.400 would hang rabbit targets on loops that you'd mount to 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:44.479 the wire, and then one guy's job was to stand 1:16:44.479 --> 1:16:46.360 off to the side and pull the rope real fast. 1:16:46.960 --> 1:16:49.559 And so we would stand on our porch and shoot 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.439 long bowls and re curves and everything else at the 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:55.400 rabbit as it zinged across the yard. But you got 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:58.040 to know that trajectory, and it wasn't you weren't nervous, 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:01.479 you weren't lustful for the rabbit. Yeah you gotta. Then 1:17:01.520 --> 1:17:04.920 you got a factor in the lustfulness how badly you 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:07.200 want to damn dear. But see, it takes me a 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:11.519 few days of frustration to build up that lustfulness, to 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.840 have that desire to complete the job. When I heard 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:19.360 his footsteps coming through the water. I wasn't at all 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:21.679 jacked up. I wasn't jacked up. A matter of fact, 1:17:21.720 --> 1:17:25.200 I was like, Wow, I'm so like nonchalant right now. 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:28.000 I'm probably gonna kill this thing. Was my first thought. 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:31.360 And I had my mantra in my visions of grandeur. 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:35.439 Not like that. Not cockiness. That sounded pretty cocky. No, 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:40.080 I was aware of my mantra, my shooting mantra. I 1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:42.240 was like, you have your shooting mantra. This is not 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:45.040 a big deal. He's coming, You're gonna get him. And 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:47.000 then he popped out, and I'm like, why did you 1:17:47.000 --> 1:17:48.960 have to pop out there? And then everything fell a partner. 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:53.120 I lost track of my mantra, but you still wanted 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:56.880 him real bad. I wanted him bad. Mark kenyon Um 1:17:57.120 --> 1:18:01.840 was just introducing me to his mantra, which he um 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:05.000 he does his mantra every time he shoots his bow. 1:18:06.120 --> 1:18:09.880 He doesn't have a hunting mantra. He has a shooting mantra, 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:14.920 which he will not shoot an arrow without doing the 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:19.320 mantra because he's building it into his shot cycle that 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:22.439 he verbalizes every part of it every time. It cannot 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:24.960 shoot without verbalizing it you can't have, Like, I gotta 1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:28.760 switch because my current system is my hunting mantra, which 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:31.320 I don't do every time I shoot my boat. He's like, 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:33.799 I want to get my head to where I cannot 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:38.559 shoot that bow without completing my thing, almost like reverse 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:42.479 target panic. He can't let the arrow go until you've 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:45.680 accomplished those step wise progressions. His thing is like I 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:48.639 don't remember the exact words. His thing is basically like hover, 1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:55.360 like hover the pen. Then there's like this sort of 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:57.960 thing like you're on it, and then there's this thing 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:01.960 here we go. And every time he shoots his bow 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.880 he does it to train himself. And here we go 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:09.320 is that he begins tightening his shoulder blades. And if 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.599 you get a snapshot window and you don't have time 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:16.280 to get through it, you don't take the shot. You 1:19:16.280 --> 1:19:18.599 don't let's go. Let the year o go because there's 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:25.679 your opportunity. A shout at that very highly regarded pistol 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:30.400 instructor one day and his mantra is slack out and 1:19:30.520 --> 1:19:34.000 he takes the slack out of the trigger site. He 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:35.760 needs to get a trigger job done on his gun. 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:41.080 Squeeze this you can't talk to this guy about anything 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:44.120 because he's like shooting rocks out of the air and stuff. 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:49.479 He uh, he swears, and he's like by my man 1:19:49.920 --> 1:19:52.760 type of shooter, and he swears that he's going through 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:56.200 his head every single time his finger engages that trigger. 1:19:56.720 --> 1:20:00.639 Slack out, site squeeze, slack out slit site squee Yeah, 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:03.720 I'm doing it, man, I'm doing I'm I'm taking like 1:20:03.760 --> 1:20:05.439 I talked. I was on the phone Mark Kenny for 1:20:05.439 --> 1:20:07.400 a long time talk about this, and I'm gonna start. 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:10.280 Let me start trying to do it. Was it here 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:12.960 late at night after you missed that buck, midday after 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:16.320 I missed the buck? I think the next day, Wow, 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:20.320 I'm gonna do it. Man, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna change. Well, 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:23.040 you need to embrace the fact that archery is a 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.760 fun thing that allows you to start hunting earlier. It 1:20:25.840 --> 1:20:28.000 doesn't need to be the love of your life. But 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:33.120 like for me, when muzzleloader season came around here and 1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:38.639 I was like, man, I do not like the fact 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:42.920 that I did not finish the job with the bow. Yeah, 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:48.240 but I'm willing to pick up a muzzleloader because at 1:20:48.280 --> 1:20:49.479 the end of the day, I want to take this 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:52.400 meat home because it's awesome. Yeah, you got your weapon goal, 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:55.439 and you got your trip goal, trip goal, bring some 1:20:55.520 --> 1:21:00.960 meat home. Because I was relieved that Steve managed to 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:04.400 do well so that I could borrow his muzzleloader for 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:06.280 a short time. Not that I did anything with it, 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:09.920 but just had it. But you know, extend the range, 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:13.519 and just so much can go wrong when you're bow hunting, 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:18.120 and no matter how big a stag is that I 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:22.200 might shoot with a rifle or a muzzleloader, there's always 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:25.280 this less sense of fulfillment that like, God, dang, I 1:21:25.280 --> 1:21:27.080 would I wish I could have gotten that one with 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:29.719 my bow, talking about the one you almost got, our netting, 1:21:29.800 --> 1:21:31.599 you almost get it, talked about your clothes and connery 1:21:31.600 --> 1:21:35.679 you have with your bowl. Yeah. So we were frankly 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:37.679 just kind of scouting out a spot that I wanted 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:42.120 to see if it would it was ready for muzzleloader season, 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:44.280 and what kind of activity there was. So we we 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:47.400 popped out to this little island. Yeah, which is an island? 1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:50.559 I like that though, the island of trees. So an 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:53.040 island of trees out in the marsh. Just you hear 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:59.479 about you, guys, It's called an island and so suspected 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:02.519 that there's some activity there. Uh. There's sort of two 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:06.759 little islands of trees, uh, one of which is mostly 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:14.679 dead Timber Island, Yeah, exactly. Um, And so I gave 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:16.800 a couple of calls. I think I had the stag call, 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:20.200 didn't I, Lauren? And then I had some cow calls. 1:22:20.240 --> 1:22:22.400 And just within a couple of minutes of blowing the 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:26.920 stag call, uh, I see some movement. Uh. And we'd 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:30.280 already seen a couple does I think, hadn't we? There 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:36.519 was movement out there, and so here comes this stag 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:38.760 out of the brush on Eagle Island. It's just about 1:22:38.760 --> 1:22:41.559 a hundred and thirty yards away from us at that point, 1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:43.800 and you're on the foot on the ground, on the 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:46.840 foot on the ground. Uh. Sort of hunkered up a 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:50.960 couple against a couple of dead trees, and I switched 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:52.600 to the cow call, and I just started doing a 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:54.640 couple of mused so he could sort of hone in 1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:58.080 on us, and Uh, sure enough he started making his way, 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:01.519 and he picked his way on a route of higher marsh. 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:04.240 And cat's always exciting to see them coming get him 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:06.920 closer and closer, and those antlers just sometimes it's all 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:09.200 you can see as the antlers sticking above the vegetation 1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:14.120 here here and come in, and and boy, he keeps coming. 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:16.720 He's looking in our direction, and he keeps coming. And 1:23:17.960 --> 1:23:22.280 I've had plenty of sort of aborted approaches to not 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:24.679 get too excited until they hit that sort of fifty 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:26.960 yard line, and then all of a sudden it starts 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:30.519 feeling real, you know, And sure enough he keeps coming 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:32.679 in and coming in. He finally enters into the little 1:23:32.720 --> 1:23:34.640 island of trees we're at, and he's amidst all the 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:39.720 dead timber, probably thirty forty yards away from us, and 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:42.400 then he begins this game of sort of zig zagging, 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:44.760 and I'm pinned up against these dead trees, and I, 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.000 depending on which way he goes, I might have to 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:50.600 like get my arrow up and around one of the 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:54.920 trunks that I'm standing way too close to. And he's, 1:23:54.960 --> 1:23:57.000 you know, first the zigs left, on the zig's right, 1:23:57.000 --> 1:24:00.240 and back and forth, and finally he decides he's can 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:02.600 I commit to going into the sort of interior of 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:05.400 this little island of trees? And it just got way 1:24:05.439 --> 1:24:07.320 too brushy. But I think at one point he was 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:10.680 he was within my comfort zone. Twenty yards or so. 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:12.760 I would have flung an arrow if he'd stepped clear, 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:16.760 for sure, But it just wasn't meant to be. And 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:19.439 he got in there, he knew there was supposed to 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:21.599 be a deer there. He's looking around. And when they 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.679 get there, once they make their mind up that okay, 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:26.479 there's not a deer here. There's no amount of calling 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.880 it's gonna bring them back, they just sort of turn 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:31.800 around and go and and he marched off back to 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:36.760 Eagle Nest Island and and he was out of our lives. Yeah. 1:24:36.800 --> 1:24:39.599 I called the one that came to forty three yards 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:43.920 and then stood there waving his nose in the air, 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:48.200 being like, I hear her, but she's just not here. Yeah, 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:50.160 because if she was here, I would smell her, I 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:56.080 feel like, I think. But just too lazy to like 1:24:56.200 --> 1:24:59.000 lug something around out there and place it and what not. 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:02.679 Calling with a eco I think would be like really deadly. Yeah, 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:05.599 I got that. Yeah, I got a strong yes on that. 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:08.400 For you'd be laying by some rolls. Yeah, it's a 1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:14.160 small decoy to hide behind, though, especially for me, I 1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:16.360 can't leave no one. Someone probably is onto that, but 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:18.479 I'm surprised no one's out of that if you're not. Yeah, 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:21.360 there's I actually have a decoy. It's, you know, made 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:24.519 of this plastic corrugated cardboard kind of stuff. It's cut 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:27.839 out of a spike and it folds up into three pieces. 1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:30.479 But it's it's just another thing to carry out there. 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:34.000 And I haven't been real motivated to to really test 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.200 it out, but I probably should try it one at 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:38.120 these times. Well, we got a friend who thinks they're immoral. 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:43.639 Oh yeah, decoys in general, not duck decoys, turkey decoys. 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:45.960 What did he say? He says he doesn't want to 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:51.360 go to hell, so he won't use one. Well, a 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:54.800 friend of mine's wife thinks that it's immoral to use 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:58.439 trickery to lura animal into range. And people have been 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:07.400 doing that time trickery, so calling would be out. The 1:26:07.520 --> 1:26:13.960 only archery opportunity I had. Um, it was the very 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:19.880 first morning. We were sitting over acorns on the ground. 1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:23.720 We're in, Uh what type of tree were we in? 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:30.240 We're in an oak tree. Yanni think so Um and 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:33.679 Janna sny are both look in one direction and then 1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:42.040 y'all just goes, oh, cap the other side of the tree. Ah. 1:26:42.280 --> 1:26:50.600 Two o'clock, there's dough, turned around and kill it. And 1:26:51.000 --> 1:26:55.280 oh and I turned around and this dough that was 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:58.519 just like shockingly small to me and it was still 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:03.120 a little bit of gray light in my memory anyway. Um, 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:07.599 and she's severely quartered away kind of through this gap 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:12.680 and she was just there for a blink of an 1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:16.360 eye and and gone. And that was the only did 1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:19.080 you get your bowl back? No, not even close. No, 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:23.920 I had narrow knocked just because I started out that way. Um, 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:29.040 but that was it. However, if you know it's a new, 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:31.680 totally new species, you had a leg up on me 1:27:31.720 --> 1:27:35.840 because you've been here once before. But had I, like 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:38.439 I feel if I had the knowledge just that I 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:41.639 gained in this one week at the beginning of the week, 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:45.519 the archery game would have been a different story. Helpful 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:49.120 knowing what you now know. Yes, yeah, so I mean, 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:52.360 but I have absolutely no regrets from this trip. This 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:57.000 was phenomenal. I had like similar my previous experience hunting 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:59.360 here was very similar. I did two days, the last 1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:03.120 two days of early archery, kind of got my feet 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:06.840 wet and then UM came in with the mall's loader 1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:12.360 and it just there's a certain cockiness to having that muzzleloader. 1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:18.800 Tell me about it. It's just different, man, it is. 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:22.439 It's just different. You made it more difficult with your 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:26.160 muzzleloader because you didn't bring a scope. That was Yeah, 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:31.800 that was not. Believe me. If I going forward, I 1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:33.760 mean it didn't end up hurting you at all, I 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:39.120 would I would have a uh I'm not sure if 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:41.519 i'd have scope, but I would definitely have different iron sights, 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:45.559 and I would have my own muzzleloader that I have 1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:53.639 got myself more familiar with, purely for uh shot placement. Yeah, 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:58.519 in confidence. Yeah, man, Open Day muss loader season. I'm 1:28:58.600 --> 1:29:02.479 right back in the same tree where I'd missed my shot. 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:05.760 You mean Steve's Island. I'm in Steve's Island, Steve's tree 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:10.320 on Steve's Island, Ronella, Steve's tree on Ronelle Island. And 1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:14.320 early morning I let a hind walk through because I 1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:16.000 was hoping here to be a stag behind her. There's 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:19.040 no stag behind her. Then a while later, here comes 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:21.840 the hind greasing across from the eagle's nest, headed straight 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:25.000 toward me. She gets like fifty yards in front of me. 1:29:25.800 --> 1:29:30.240 Oh yo, hey, and get her just lands right in 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:34.479 the trail stone dead. Then sit there singing along the 1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:36.639 wait now and step a stag shows up, and about 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:39.479 eight nine minutes later, sure enough, here comes one knows 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:44.839 the ground following her down. He gets to the same spot. 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:49.479 I say hey, and he lands four ft off her tail, 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:56.760 still in the trail. There's two of them. Then you 1:29:56.840 --> 1:29:59.880 need to get out of my seat. It's amazing. There's 1:29:59.880 --> 1:30:03.000 a certain cockiness that comes the muscle. I will tell you, 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:08.720 standing or sitting in the in that tripod blind like 1:30:08.760 --> 1:30:12.559 totally man made blind, sticking out of the marsh, there 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:21.400 was a certain feeling of like laziness to it, just 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:26.200 like I couldn't there's no like I just had this 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:28.960 like almost a feeling like sitting on the toilet, like 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:33.000 just like nah, And you're honest. And I were definitely 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:35.920 crammed in there, you know, But then getting in the 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:39.200 climbing stand or just being in any of the other stands, 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:43.000 I felt like I was way more of an active participant. 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:45.479 You looked like compromised up in that thing. Yeah, And 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:47.960 I was just like, man, I feel I think I 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:49.320 told you. I was like, man, I feel like a 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:53.599 sword dick sticking out here that spoke to me sticking 1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:55.880 out like you had done the work of probably played 1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:58.040 the hard word. It took the place that stand. You 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:01.760 have different feelings, sup climb up in some other dudes 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:07.360 tripod stand. It's the only thing out there, you know. 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:09.640 It's it's a good view out there, though. It's a 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.479 heck of a view. Yeah, no, it's a gorgeous a 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:16.599 great way to learn about the critter man. We haven't 1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:21.840 even talked about the wide array of vocalizations. Unbelievable. The 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:23.599 first that I sat out because I have been sitting 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:26.240 in the woods where we can't see anything beyond archery range, 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:30.160 Like you're in the thickets, you know, and you're not 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:32.280 seeing all the stuff that doesn't matter. Anything you see 1:31:32.360 --> 1:31:35.200 like matters right now, right because they're close when you're 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:37.920 in the woods or in you know, in the brush. 1:31:38.040 --> 1:31:39.400 But then you get out in the open mars and 1:31:39.400 --> 1:31:41.160 you've seen a lot of stuff that doesn't really matter 1:31:41.960 --> 1:31:44.720 with your bow, matters with your muzzleloader. But you get 1:31:44.760 --> 1:31:47.240 to just observe their movements. And some of the things 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:51.320 that struck me most is one how aggressive the stags 1:31:51.320 --> 1:31:57.240 are to the hinds, like mean gang pileing them. Three 1:31:57.320 --> 1:32:01.200 of them on one like because the ratios are like 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:05.280 there's a really high stagged hind rat show and they 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:08.559 get on some of them and just chase them, chase 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:12.439 the chasing three of them on them relentless, and how 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:16.000 much they mess with each other. They're like little bullies, man. 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:17.800 They're like the dudes and like little guys like the 1:32:17.840 --> 1:32:19.840 dudes in high school that run the wrestling team. Man. 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:21.760 So they remind me of like always like messing with 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:24.120 each other and fighting and punch each other and zapping 1:32:24.160 --> 1:32:26.880 each other's nuts and stuff, just like you know, like 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:29.360 those kind of dudes, like high school wrastler guys. Man. 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:32.759 When we opened them up, there's a lot of sores 1:32:32.840 --> 1:32:36.960 on those. Yeah, Steve Stagg had some slightly infected wounds. 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:39.760 Same with the wrestling guys in high school. Yeah, they're 1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:43.960 they're always just like in each other's business and headlocking 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:46.680 each other and giving each other noggies and just whatever, man, 1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:49.080 just like messing with each other, pulling each other's underwear, 1:32:49.840 --> 1:32:56.240 just like you know, ringworm and rug burn. Yeah, just 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:58.960 that's these little stags remind me, man, because they're like 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:02.400 they're just these little I think that's pretty a little 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:04.960 ship and things that are just so like jacked up 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:07.639 and like mean to the ladies and meeting each other. 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:11.120 It's funny. It's totally antropomorphism. But oh yeah, I have 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:16.160 no problem shooting a stag because it's just deserve this way. 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:18.439 And I feel a little guilty every time I shoot 1:33:18.479 --> 1:33:20.040 a hid. I mean, you know, if I'm really looking 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:24.559 for the meat, I'll take one. But nine times out 1:33:24.600 --> 1:33:26.240 of ten, I'll just let them walk. They just look 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:28.720 so peaceful out there, and you know, I know, and 1:33:29.080 --> 1:33:33.519 I had some. I had a female come through, you know, 1:33:33.800 --> 1:33:35.479 a high end come through with a faun. What do 1:33:35.479 --> 1:33:37.479 you say for faun? Do you say fun when you 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:40.479 talking about stags and hid? We usually do. I'm not 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:43.559 sure that it was a more appropriate that's in line 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:46.240 with stagging hid, but we just say fun either way. 1:33:46.280 --> 1:33:47.479 I had one of those. I was sitting there with 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:49.200 my boat and had some of those come through close 1:33:50.200 --> 1:33:54.559 and um, like on a white tails, I wouldn't hesitate 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:58.519 to break up though, right to the pairing, and I'd 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:01.800 be like, oh, you know, it's like it's proven that 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:05.040 if you shoot the dough, you know the fawn's weaned, 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:07.840 it's old enough to survive or vice versa, right, and 1:34:07.840 --> 1:34:12.040 there's like management objectives and whatever. Oh that garbage doesn't 1:34:12.040 --> 1:34:15.839 bother me. Watching the hind and her fawn come across 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:18.240 the marsh, at first, I was like, oh, she's gonna 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:21.320 come right too, And after calling minutes, I'm like, yeah, 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:23.920 I'm not gonna do that. I just gonna hope of 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:25.760 the steak. A lot of them get a pass from 1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:29.200 me because of the stay comes and those spawns were small. 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:32.360 I've seen them come through the check station at black 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:36.080 Water and they'll dress out some of them thirteen fifteen pounds, 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:38.120 And at that point it's like, is it worth killing 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:40.840 an animal for the five pounds of animal? Meet? You 1:34:40.920 --> 1:34:47.120 might n I don't know you killed? Yeah, that's like 1:34:47.640 --> 1:34:50.080 big as they get, you know, I'm with you. I 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:51.439 didn't want to do it once I saw I didn't 1:34:51.479 --> 1:34:55.840 want to do it, right had I definitely like had 1:34:55.920 --> 1:35:01.559 like real reservations. When they're bugling and they ripped three 1:35:01.600 --> 1:35:03.760 in a row, like do you feel that some more? 1:35:04.240 --> 1:35:07.719 That's a stag that's like really worked up, as opposed 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:11.920 to one that just rings off one randomly three packs 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:18.080 or single. They do some singles three packs or more. 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:23.360 I don't know, you know, And I think all the 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:26.479 stags bugle to an extent, it's not just the dominant ones. 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:30.000 I always like envisioned, you know, Oh it's a big six. 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:32.120 If it's really ripping out bugles, it's got to be 1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:35.200 a big, mature stag. And I had one that I 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:38.160 called in, actually got it on video on my phone. 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:42.000 I killed a nice one the night before, and I 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:44.640 didn't want to, Like I was hunting on the refuge, 1:35:44.920 --> 1:35:47.720 and the previous one had been on public state land, 1:35:47.760 --> 1:35:51.400 so separate bag limits within applied, so I could have 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:53.800 taken this one. But it was not real big. It 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:56.360 was a spike, a tall spike, and I just didn't 1:35:56.400 --> 1:36:00.720 want to use my black water tag on stag, so 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:03.040 I just grabbed the phone and filmed them to keep 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:06.640 the bow from leaping into my hand. And uh, he 1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:08.680 comes all the way across the marsh, I'd call him in, 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:11.479 and he got within twenty yards of my stand and 1:36:11.920 --> 1:36:13.800 was just milling around, and all of a sudden, he 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:16.640 ripped out a bugle that was like blood curtain, and 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:18.240 I had it all on video. I've been trying to 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:21.880 catch that on either audio or video for the years. 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:24.000 I've been hunting him. I always just get like the 1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:26.559 last two or one and a half of that three pack. 1:36:27.240 --> 1:36:30.320 But this guy just went off and he sounded as 1:36:30.360 --> 1:36:32.400 big and bad as any stag I've ever heard. And 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:35.519 you know, he was a fairly young young stag, so 1:36:35.760 --> 1:36:42.000 I think they all call like that. But you can't 1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:47.960 judge a stagged by his bugle and they make a yeah, 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:53.639 it stops as a real high pitch kind of turns 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:56.960 into this sort of growny moaning kind of sound. The 1:36:57.040 --> 1:37:01.800 kiwi's calling that the heehaw, which if he kind of 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:05.479 stretch that out, it sounds kind of like that. And uh, 1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:10.519 that seems to be the ice. Usually when I see 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:15.479 that happening or imagine it happening, Uh, it seems like 1:37:15.680 --> 1:37:24.560 it's a dough who's tending a stag tending a dough. Yeah. Um, 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:30.040 it's like, I don't know, a frustration sort of sound. Um. 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:35.000 And then you'll hear also just right right, And then 1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:42.439 you will sometimes hear him just growl like and they 1:37:42.520 --> 1:37:46.040 lay their antlers on their back, and that's usually when 1:37:46.040 --> 1:37:49.439 they're encountering another stag and tell him like, get out, buddy, 1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:52.240 this is my spot. We watched one come up to 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:55.719 two that we're fighting, and I couldn't hear him because 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:57.479 too far away, but I was watching through my knocks. 1:37:57.960 --> 1:38:00.800 Two were fighting, and he was doing that posture where 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:03.200 he tips his head back and lays his antlers across 1:38:03.200 --> 1:38:05.840 his back and kind of waves his head. We're just 1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:11.320 kind of crazy looking, right movement should clarify the antler 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:14.640 configuration and what six point is back sleeping. They're like 1:38:14.680 --> 1:38:17.599 little elk candlers, kind of miniature candlers. They're like more 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:20.360 similar to elk cant they got the forward brow times 1:38:20.400 --> 1:38:24.599 that hook, and then your typical one. Your typical one 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:28.639 has forward brow times that hook, and then like straight 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:32.639 back main beams that will have a fork on them. Right, 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:36.760 so that if he's like doing his normal normal walking posture, 1:38:38.080 --> 1:38:41.720 like head forward, normal walking posture, his antlers are kind 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:44.400 of like his main beams are kind of like aimed 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:51.120 back at it was like a forty five degree angle, yeah, 1:38:51.240 --> 1:38:54.439 like brushed back. And then you'll see some that have 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:56.639 you know, they'll have like short brows and a little 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:59.400 slight split, and as they get nicer, they get like 1:38:59.400 --> 1:39:03.240 a hooked and a deep fort. But then you can 1:39:03.280 --> 1:39:05.759 also get them like you killed a seven point. Yeah, 1:39:06.000 --> 1:39:08.120 very rarely you'll get one that either on one or 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:10.320 both sides. It will have a little sticker point off 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:13.080 the back of the main bean, and it'll be a 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:16.439 seven or eight point. Those are rarely more than an 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:22.320 inch or so long, But I would say maybe one 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:25.719 or two eight pointers get killed a year. Uh if 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:28.960 that it's funny how much you see those antlers coming 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:32.639 through the brush. Oh man, they stick out like it's 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:35.160 like two chopsticks coming through them, coming through the brothers. 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:39.679 Because the total height is only, uh what twelve inches 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:44.360 savage big ones twelves of fourteen fifteen inches? True? You 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:49.400 know monster trophies might get sixteen inches tall, and of 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:51.120 course you'll hear guys, Oh I don't want to like 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:55.080 play two inches? Yeah right, show me that stag and 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:58.920 I'll believe it. But otherwise, um, you know a lot 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:02.160 of the spikes at the sort of bigger spikes will 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:05.840 be nine ten inch spikes. But god, they look big 1:40:05.880 --> 1:40:07.760 when you see them out there. You know, they look 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:09.880 like the Hertford buck man or whatever that thing. It's 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:11.880 like when you see one out in the open marsh, 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:14.120 but there's nothing next to it to compare it to it. 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:17.479 Looks like a man eater because they're so like, like 1:40:17.479 --> 1:40:20.320 I said, like high school wrestlers. Man, it's like the 1:40:20.360 --> 1:40:24.280 next get it seems like half their body wrestlers, right, 1:40:24.360 --> 1:40:26.839 there's some of my dearest friends are high school wrestlers, 1:40:26.880 --> 1:40:31.680 Craig Christians and John Malcolm. Yeah, man, all kinds of 1:40:31.680 --> 1:40:33.719 They're dark. The pretty easy to spot on the marsh, 1:40:33.720 --> 1:40:36.479 which I realized was last year I hunted the woods 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:39.120 a lot more and they blend in on that that 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:44.639 pine the dark ones. Difference between the stags. The stags 1:40:44.680 --> 1:40:49.200 are chocolate dark chocolate like black, and the hind's got 1:40:49.240 --> 1:40:51.960 that reddish color. But they all it's the only deer 1:40:52.800 --> 1:40:55.280 that keeps its spots its whole life. And they're faint, 1:40:55.320 --> 1:40:57.800 but right down either side of their either side of 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:00.960 their spine, and then a little on their rump, they 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:05.000 keep their spots. They get pretty faint, but it's cool, 1:41:06.439 --> 1:41:10.479 sort of disappear when they're really running because they're rolling 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:13.880 around and making wallows and their pelt gets all nasty dirty. 1:41:13.960 --> 1:41:16.000 You'll stay them up. Yeah, And so you can't really 1:41:16.040 --> 1:41:18.880 see the spots on some of the stags. But later 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:21.200 in the season, when they stopped running and they're not 1:41:21.640 --> 1:41:24.520 making the wallows as much. Their spots will start to 1:41:24.560 --> 1:41:27.080 be a little more apparent as well. And man, do 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:31.200 those things get a ruddy smell? The meats great, they 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:34.840 don't get like a ruddy taste. No, We last night 1:41:34.880 --> 1:41:38.679 took a um. We last night took a bad ham 1:41:38.720 --> 1:41:41.200 off a stag and just I caught a bunch of 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:43.120 holes in it, fill it full of garlic and put 1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:44.680 a rub on it, and we just cooked the thing 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:48.200 in a tragg or pellet grill for a few hours. 1:41:48.600 --> 1:41:51.680 It's just like, no at all taste of that. But man, 1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:54.479 you smell that little bogger and it smells like if 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:57.200 you piste in a jar and cap that jar up 1:41:57.280 --> 1:41:58.840 nice and tight, put it out in the sun for 1:41:58.880 --> 1:42:01.120 a few days with a little in there, and then 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:05.400 pour debt piss on you. That's what it smells like like. 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:09.440 After carrying them over my shoulders out of the marsh, 1:42:09.760 --> 1:42:12.240 it smells like I had pissed myself. Yeah, you forgot 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:14.639 to put your range like I pissed myself a couple 1:42:14.680 --> 1:42:18.400 of days ago. Yeah, that was kind of regretting giving 1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:21.880 you a ride back to the house. No, it was bad, man, 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:26.960 it was bad. It's real bad. You guys were talking 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:32.200 about how old these these deer get. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, 1:42:32.240 --> 1:42:35.200 what's the deal, what's the age class? Steve can speak 1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:36.960 to it, he knows them. Yeah, they've done a lot 1:42:36.960 --> 1:42:40.719 of tagging studies over the years and in the Blackwater region, 1:42:41.880 --> 1:42:45.680 and they've documented hynes over twenty years old, you know, 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:50.559 hynes that were tagged as adults and were covered, you know, 1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:53.920 a decade or more later. Are the stags? Is it 1:42:54.080 --> 1:42:57.200 kind of like a typical you know, like a six 1:42:57.240 --> 1:42:59.960 seven year old stags ancient? Like, they don't last, that's 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:06.560 I think. Certainly their lifespan is shorter, but because because 1:43:06.600 --> 1:43:09.760 of hunting and because the just the hard aggression they 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:11.600 showed towards each other. But yeah, I should mentioned the 1:43:11.640 --> 1:43:13.519 one I killed last year had just lost his eye. 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:16.080 I'm not talking like a little bit. His eyeball was 1:43:16.160 --> 1:43:22.040 completely demolished and punctured recently by an antler. Time. And 1:43:22.040 --> 1:43:24.080 then tell the story about the one that the guy 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:26.920 that you killed it was missing the time. Yeah, so 1:43:27.000 --> 1:43:29.639 I I killed that that seven point that I killed, 1:43:30.160 --> 1:43:32.880 h I noticed was missing probably close to an inch 1:43:32.960 --> 1:43:36.080 inch and a half of the tip of one antler 1:43:36.240 --> 1:43:40.080 and I shortly after I killed that one, one of 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:43.000 my friends on the club, uh killed a real nice 1:43:43.040 --> 1:43:47.120 mature six pointer. And when he took it to the taxidermists, 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:49.760 they were keeping it out and they found a piece 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.840 of bone about inch and a half long antler stuck 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:55.840 in its neck, like right behind the skull. And and 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:58.920 uh so he kept it and pried it over and 1:43:58.960 --> 1:44:00.639 we matched it up in it. It was a perfect 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:03.640 match to that. And from the one night shot, did 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:05.680 you glue it back on there? No? He kept it. 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:08.719 He kept it. He kept it. Yeah, what's this trophy? 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:17.880 Did you ask it? I'm not gonna call. Actually you 1:44:18.000 --> 1:44:22.719 know that that is Steve Kendrew's antler point man really 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:28.880 has a little necklace man or place at someplace independently. 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:34.840 Make your wife are wondering? Um too generally? Two too bad? 1:44:34.840 --> 1:44:36.519 Because she was like a one she ran one. You 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:39.280 can make her sweet earring. I made my wife turkey 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:43.080 spur earrings that she wears. H you're like when you 1:44:43.160 --> 1:44:45.080 set that little mount that you set of crystal in 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:47.840 like people who are into crystals have like a little 1:44:47.880 --> 1:44:49.280 mount and you like put a crystal in there and 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:52.760 pinched the mount. I had a jeweler take those type 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:56.000 of mounts, and I saw it off Turkey spurs, big 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:59.960 nice pointy turkey spurs, saw them off and had him 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:04.240 set the spurs in those mounts. And now and then, 1:45:04.360 --> 1:45:09.559 when the occasions right, she will wear her turkey spur earrings. Interesting, 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:14.800 which I like a whole bunch um. No one. The 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:16.559 only people to know what that is are people who 1:45:16.640 --> 1:45:19.760 you'd figure would know what that is, you know. Yeah, 1:45:19.880 --> 1:45:24.920 it's an insider thing, right. Something else has popped in 1:45:24.960 --> 1:45:26.160 my head. I can't think it. Well. I was gonna 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:32.439 le mention. We covered the vocalizations, which our many. Yeah, 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:33.960 I'd like to give a shout out to the guy 1:45:34.040 --> 1:45:38.000 that makes that bugle call because it's h he can't 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:41.719 sell them many. Yeah. I've got mixed feelings on helping 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:43.519 the market to them, because I don't want everyone and 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:45.439 their brother to have one of these things. But yeah, 1:45:45.439 --> 1:45:46.840 you don't want to turn in one of those calls 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:48.880 where everybody has the same call and it stops working. 1:45:48.960 --> 1:45:52.240 The hoochie Mama of SCA calls it his hands down 1:45:52.360 --> 1:45:58.439 the best. Yeah, I mean it catches that sort of 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:01.120 low growly sound that it's arts and ends with and 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:05.120 it's like it's real subtle. Yeah, it's real subtle. But 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:08.320 to me it it's part of the authenticity of the call. 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:11.240 And you know, I've listened to many of your podcast 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:14.720 whe talked about turkeys and the game animals really need 1:46:14.800 --> 1:46:18.000 it to sound perfect to trigger the sort of response 1:46:18.040 --> 1:46:21.280 you're looking for and probably not. But for me, just 1:46:21.439 --> 1:46:23.720 the confidence of coming as close to the real thing 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:26.479 as I can as part of what I personally need 1:46:26.600 --> 1:46:30.120 to feel comfortable calling to feel comfortable. Yeah, and this call, 1:46:30.280 --> 1:46:33.240 I think just nails it. Um. It's called the Nordic 1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:35.120 Ska and it's made by a guy I met out 1:46:35.160 --> 1:46:38.719 of Sweden. Oh, he's got a whole line of predator 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:43.400 calls and stuff like that. So it uh, definitely. Uh. 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:45.880 I don't go in the woods in October without it 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:50.479 around my neck. How when does the ruts start? And 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:53.599 like how long does it last? It's basically the whole 1:46:53.680 --> 1:46:57.720 month of October. Or I would say, you know, if 1:46:57.760 --> 1:47:00.400 I were to pick two weeks to hunt out of 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:03.720 the entire season, it would be starting with Columbus Day 1:47:03.840 --> 1:47:07.320 for the next two weeks. Uh, that sort of middle 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:12.360 two weeks, second and third weeks of October probably will 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:16.479 encompass the peak of the rut, but they'll start late 1:47:16.560 --> 1:47:20.760 September early October, but they don't really get cranked up 1:47:20.840 --> 1:47:25.400 until about Columbus Day, it seems, and it's over by Halloween. Yeah. 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:28.679 Generally he'll get little pulses of activity, and I've I've 1:47:28.720 --> 1:47:33.280 seen stags chasing hines in November and even into December. 1:47:33.360 --> 1:47:36.600 But these calls in those later seasons, I do, they 1:47:36.640 --> 1:47:39.599 don't seem to be as responsive to them though, especially 1:47:39.680 --> 1:47:42.880 the stag calls. The cow calls. You know you can 1:47:44.160 --> 1:47:46.640 stop one with it? Or what can you tell the 1:47:46.680 --> 1:47:49.360 story about the flood and the sekid box that were 1:47:49.360 --> 1:47:53.120 tied together. Back in two thousand two, we had Hurricane 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:55.960 Isabel came through and there was a tremendous storm surge 1:47:56.000 --> 1:47:59.560 that flooded out most of southern Dorchester County and it 1:48:01.040 --> 1:48:04.080 pushed a bunch of flotsam, just debreathe, all kinds of 1:48:04.120 --> 1:48:07.320 stuff way up into the woods and marshes and whatnot. 1:48:08.360 --> 1:48:09.840 And I had taken a friend of mine on this 1:48:10.000 --> 1:48:14.879 property that I had lived on in southern Dorchester creep O, Maryland, 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:19.640 um and I had to go. I had to leave 1:48:19.680 --> 1:48:21.479 him on his own for a couple of hours midday, 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:23.519 and when I came back, he said, hey, man, I 1:48:23.600 --> 1:48:31.320 found two dead stags that someone tied together. So that's weird, 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:33.439 and show me. So we went and we walked over 1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:36.240 to where he'd found them, and indeed it was two 1:48:36.600 --> 1:48:40.799 real nice, mature six point stags that had gotten tangled 1:48:40.920 --> 1:48:45.240 up in a length of crab booy line. Probably I 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:47.080 don't know, if you stretched it all out, it's probably 1:48:47.120 --> 1:48:50.479 fifty or sixty ft of yeah, and it and the 1:48:50.560 --> 1:48:53.280 one stag that had you know when when they wallow 1:48:53.360 --> 1:48:56.639 and they spa and you know, make little rubs on trees, 1:48:56.720 --> 1:48:59.920 they just whipped their heads all around and he must 1:49:00.040 --> 1:49:03.800 have loop this rope up somehow, and then the way 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:06.000 to the buoy it just kind of kept swinging around 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:09.880 and it just perfect like figure eight around us. And 1:49:10.000 --> 1:49:13.479 so this big wad of rope hanging around his antlers 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:15.719 at the base of it, and then a long loop 1:49:15.760 --> 1:49:18.160 had formed at one point, and he got in a 1:49:18.240 --> 1:49:21.040 tussle with this other stag, and that loop got around 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:24.320 the other stags antler and twisted up to the point 1:49:24.360 --> 1:49:27.240 where it couldn't free itself, and he could see it 1:49:27.280 --> 1:49:29.519 that also like tangled up in greenbrier and all kinds 1:49:29.560 --> 1:49:31.880 of stuff had been a big struggle, and both of you, 1:49:32.240 --> 1:49:34.719 they were still laying where they had met their death. 1:49:35.640 --> 1:49:37.519 They were telling that no one had touched him. I 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:40.080 mean they were still tied up with the brush and stuff. Yeah, 1:49:40.600 --> 1:49:42.439 I had to cut away all the greenbrier that there 1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:46.000 was twisted up rope and everything. So yeah, it was 1:49:46.080 --> 1:49:49.080 completely just a freak of nature kind of thing. The 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:51.720 only thing humans had to do with it was the 1:49:51.840 --> 1:49:54.799 fact that we were the originator or the rope and buoy. 1:49:55.360 --> 1:49:57.800 So this this one stag had a crab buoy hanging 1:49:57.880 --> 1:50:02.160 right on his forehead, and and another dead stag with 1:50:02.280 --> 1:50:05.760 about three foot loop and you and you kept those 1:50:05.760 --> 1:50:08.479 schools and kept tied up. Yeah, I boiled them out 1:50:08.760 --> 1:50:11.120 and clean them up just as they were. I haven't 1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:13.960 separated them or anything. And when you get your antler 1:50:14.000 --> 1:50:16.479 point back from that dude, you can make just a 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:19.679 little display man of like the booie one his body 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:22.800 that he's tied up to the little point. Yeah, the 1:50:22.880 --> 1:50:25.080 other stag, it would be like a nice little you'll 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:27.840 be able to have people come over and they'll you'll 1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:30.519 catch them looking at that little display and you see 1:50:30.600 --> 1:50:34.720 that stag wars see that. Let me tell you right, 1:50:34.760 --> 1:50:39.200 but right now I can't tell that story because that 1:50:39.280 --> 1:50:44.040 guy stole your thing. I don't begrudging. It was in 1:50:44.240 --> 1:50:46.160 his deer. So no, I think if the police, if 1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:49.439 the police came out the police to say that's the 1:50:49.560 --> 1:50:51.720 blind is that doesn't blind to you as long as 1:50:51.760 --> 1:50:55.719 the other guy who's stuck in his deer, that's the police, 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:59.840 and say yeah, now if you called the ethicist, hey, 1:51:00.200 --> 1:51:01.840 you might get a different answer. Yeah, but where do 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:05.479 you stand on folks that they shoot a bull or 1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:10.679 a buck and it's missing, you know, a prominent time, okay, 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:14.439 and then they have all the tax drms recreated that 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:17.200 For me, I'm like that that's not right. So I 1:51:17.320 --> 1:51:19.920 think that that is, that's not the same thing at all. 1:51:20.000 --> 1:51:23.640 How is it not the same thing? Because it's just 1:51:23.800 --> 1:51:25.639 not the same it's just not the same thing. We're 1:51:25.640 --> 1:51:27.360 not asking him to put it back on his buck 1:51:27.400 --> 1:51:29.439 and then display it as in like here is my 1:51:29.560 --> 1:51:32.320 grand seven point. We're asking to display because it's an 1:51:32.360 --> 1:51:35.120 interesting story, like next to the because you'd be able 1:51:35.120 --> 1:51:38.320 to say, see that, right, I would if it was mine. 1:51:39.800 --> 1:51:41.920 I believe that I would tie it off with a 1:51:41.960 --> 1:51:44.680 little piece of string hanging there, and people will be like, 1:51:44.840 --> 1:51:46.639 what happened here? And he'd like, well, funny you ask, 1:51:46.920 --> 1:51:49.800 and then I'd tell him the story, but the same 1:51:49.920 --> 1:51:52.640 story though. No, no one's going to ask him why 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:54.680 he's got a little hunk of antler. What if it's 1:51:54.720 --> 1:51:58.040 hanging from a string off of his buck? People like, 1:51:58.200 --> 1:52:01.920 why would you're off that buck? Yeah, well let me 1:52:01.960 --> 1:52:04.720 tell you that. And my good friend Steve can drop 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:08.559 if you had a regular buck and you hung off 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:10.960 a little chunk of antler off him, and people were 1:52:11.080 --> 1:52:14.320 analyzed them. They couldn't see a broken time. They might 1:52:14.360 --> 1:52:16.639 be like, hey, what gives over here on the display shelf, 1:52:17.240 --> 1:52:19.240 at which point you'll be able to say, well, let 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:21.160 me tell you. Yeah, and you have to tell the 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:23.599 whole story, Ryan, Yeah, And then at the end they'd 1:52:23.640 --> 1:52:28.880 be liked antler point back to give him that antler point, bro, 1:52:29.720 --> 1:52:31.920 And then maybe he's got a follow up story about Steve. 1:52:32.120 --> 1:52:34.160 I heard a story. I heard a story about some guys. 1:52:34.360 --> 1:52:37.920 This is out at the This is some dudes who 1:52:37.960 --> 1:52:40.559 were hunting out at that ranch we've talked about before 1:52:40.800 --> 1:52:44.160 called the High Lonesome, which is like a controversial ranch 1:52:44.240 --> 1:52:50.040 because of some public land issues. But uh, they had 1:52:50.120 --> 1:52:54.759 had a client out who was pursuing this this bull 1:52:54.840 --> 1:53:00.400 elk that had this giant club formation. Okay, the bulls 1:53:00.479 --> 1:53:04.000 carrying the club when the client hits it with an arrow. 1:53:05.560 --> 1:53:07.920 By the time they blood trail and recovered, the club's 1:53:07.960 --> 1:53:11.880 not there anymore. And this guy, I guess was very 1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:17.000 very interested in then finding that club. I could never 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:23.080 find it. I wonder if he had one bill. That's nothing, man, 1:53:23.200 --> 1:53:26.320 I was just at the Wild Sheep Foundation and they 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:28.840 got the world like, there's a new world record big horn. 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:33.600 In my opinion, shouldn't count time a little kid in 1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:36.120 Montana just shot a giant that they say might be 1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:42.439 a new world record. Really think, Oh, shouldn't say six eighty? 1:53:42.800 --> 1:53:44.840 People are gonna find out that that's a famous big 1:53:44.880 --> 1:53:46.800 horn unit as a joke, all the big big horns 1:53:46.840 --> 1:53:48.760 come out of six unless it was like a youth 1:53:48.840 --> 1:53:53.040 world record, but younger. I don't know. A kid in 1:53:53.120 --> 1:53:55.680 Montana just shot one that I think might be a 1:53:55.720 --> 1:54:00.320 new world record. It wasn't. My kid wasn't. No. Oh, 1:54:00.479 --> 1:54:04.479 what I'm gonna say, Okay, so two problems. There's the problem. 1:54:04.520 --> 1:54:06.680 I meant to address. I'm gonna address the problem that 1:54:06.720 --> 1:54:08.599 comes up in the in the addressing of that problem, 1:54:09.439 --> 1:54:12.599 the problem I wanted to address was the replica. Okay, 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:15.640 which is fine, But here's the main thing. There's a 1:54:15.680 --> 1:54:18.200 new world record big horn. Because there's there's this big 1:54:18.400 --> 1:54:20.600 there's this big gas lake. Flathead Lake's twenty it's a 1:54:20.680 --> 1:54:23.920 natural lake, twenty miles long, some miles wide, big gas Lake. 1:54:23.960 --> 1:54:25.320 Out in the middle of this big lake is a 1:54:25.360 --> 1:54:27.680 thing called wild Horse Island. And at one point in 1:54:27.760 --> 1:54:30.920 time it was supposed to be a utopia. Like a 1:54:30.960 --> 1:54:33.800 guy owned wild Horse Island and he was gonna have 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:38.000 like an economist, a sociologist, like he's gonna bring out 1:54:38.000 --> 1:54:41.080 all these experts and create this utopia where they would 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:43.640 solve all of the world's problems on this little island, 1:54:44.400 --> 1:54:48.000 as utopias are want to do. It failed. It just 1:54:48.080 --> 1:54:50.200 became like regular people's have places out there. But there's 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:52.520 also some public property out there, and some old orchards 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:53.920 and all this kind of stuff. And at some point 1:54:53.920 --> 1:54:57.040 in time, a bunch of big horns got put out there, 1:54:57.440 --> 1:54:59.320 and it's been pretty valuable over the years because they 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:02.720 have you is the big horns from Wild Horse Island 1:55:04.120 --> 1:55:09.640 two help do repopulations of of other areas to bring 1:55:09.720 --> 1:55:12.240 in genetic diversities. You grab one from big Horn. At times, 1:55:12.240 --> 1:55:14.600 they've taken big horns from other locations and brought them 1:55:14.600 --> 1:55:16.480 out and put him on wild Horse Island to help 1:55:16.520 --> 1:55:18.640 the genetic diversity on wild Horse isund So it's just 1:55:18.760 --> 1:55:21.560 like important little part of big hornness. But there's no 1:55:21.680 --> 1:55:24.360 predation to speak of. There's absolutely no hunting, and it's 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:26.080 kind of like because it's out on an island that 1:55:26.160 --> 1:55:28.680 kind of functions in my mind as a sort of zoo. 1:55:29.400 --> 1:55:31.480 I've been out there and you can pretty much walk 1:55:31.560 --> 1:55:35.160 up and grab the big horns, right, they're kind of 1:55:35.160 --> 1:55:38.000 like their team. Yeah, because there's a lot of recreation 1:55:38.080 --> 1:55:40.000 on that island. There's a lot of hikers, and yeah, 1:55:40.040 --> 1:55:41.880 they like I remember standing out there in wild Horse 1:55:41.920 --> 1:55:44.200 Island one time and I was counting how many times 1:55:44.280 --> 1:55:46.400 one was gonna hit the Ponderosa pine. I remember, I 1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:48.200 think he hit it seventy two times in a row 1:55:48.360 --> 1:55:52.840 or something. Bam bam bam. God. Yeah, and he hit 1:55:52.880 --> 1:55:55.760 it that many times in a row. And you can 1:55:55.800 --> 1:55:57.240 tell he did it a lot because he'd kind of 1:55:57.280 --> 1:56:00.280 like caused his big indent on this ponderosa getting his 1:56:00.360 --> 1:56:01.960 hundred in for the day. So yeah, he's in the 1:56:02.040 --> 1:56:04.000 Hundle club. So sounds kind of like bow hunting for 1:56:04.080 --> 1:56:08.960 secret here stranging your head against something. So one of 1:56:09.000 --> 1:56:11.920 these dies and it's a new world record, and it 1:56:12.000 --> 1:56:14.600 feels like it feels to me like saying the new 1:56:14.640 --> 1:56:18.160 world record came out of the Cincinnati Zoo. Yeah, it's 1:56:18.200 --> 1:56:23.000 an odd way to track record book animals. Like, well, 1:56:23.040 --> 1:56:26.480 you guys know that the argument is that those records 1:56:26.560 --> 1:56:29.600 are set up for the animal. I know, I know, 1:56:29.760 --> 1:56:31.160 but I don't like it. I don't like it. I 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:35.120 hope the kid. I hope this kid has a new 1:56:35.160 --> 1:56:39.720 world from a like native habitat, right, it's like native habitat, 1:56:40.680 --> 1:56:44.800 wild living out there getting chewed on by wild animals. 1:56:46.200 --> 1:56:48.160 I just hope, I hope, I hope this rumor is correct. 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:50.880 But so you know, but again you're looking at like 1:56:51.000 --> 1:56:53.320 what can happen, Like what is the greatest size one 1:56:53.320 --> 1:56:55.760 of these can achieve? And I accept that it's the 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:57.440 biggest one, but just it's a bummer to me that 1:56:57.600 --> 1:57:00.160 came from like a little zoo island. And now I'm 1:57:00.200 --> 1:57:01.760 being a little bit I'm trivializing it and being a 1:57:01.760 --> 1:57:04.080 little bit reductive. But that's just my initial take on right, 1:57:04.080 --> 1:57:06.720 because you're right, it is important because that is a 1:57:06.880 --> 1:57:11.040 herd of big horns that hasn't been subjected to any disease. 1:57:12.040 --> 1:57:14.720 So what we're talking about replicas as far as well, 1:57:14.760 --> 1:57:17.480 I walk in and there it is, and holy ship, 1:57:17.600 --> 1:57:19.960 is that thing big man? Like you know, I've looked 1:57:20.000 --> 1:57:21.560 at like I'm not like a big horn expert, but 1:57:21.600 --> 1:57:23.240 I looked at the bay number of big horns over 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:24.960 the years. This thing is like you look at it 1:57:26.000 --> 1:57:30.200 and you're like, my god, I have never seen anything 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:33.600 like that. It is just gargangein But and it's a replica, 1:57:34.280 --> 1:57:38.000 not the same body. And they cast those horns, and 1:57:38.080 --> 1:57:39.920 that's like a big thing in the sheep world. Like 1:57:40.000 --> 1:57:42.920 our friend Jay, who's a sheep guide, when he gets 1:57:42.960 --> 1:57:45.880 a client on a big ram, he he guides like 1:57:45.960 --> 1:57:49.760 Governor's Auction, Governor's tag type dudes. When they get a 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:51.760 big ram, he'll get a replica made to have a 1:57:51.880 --> 1:57:54.280 replica of the horns, Like they cast the horns and 1:57:54.360 --> 1:57:57.120 make a replica. It's a common thing for the client 1:57:57.240 --> 1:57:59.720 to do as a part of the tip of the 1:57:59.800 --> 1:58:02.440 thing a guy. He's already got three thousand dollars and 1:58:02.520 --> 1:58:05.400 do it. So did you find anything? Honest? Yeah, so 1:58:05.720 --> 1:58:11.720 it was actually killed last fall October. It's still not 1:58:12.440 --> 1:58:15.480 It still has to go through some more scoring, you know, 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:17.400 by being secs. You know, has to go through a 1:58:17.480 --> 1:58:20.120 couple of panels to be certified or not. But anyways, 1:58:20.680 --> 1:58:24.760 it's eight inches shy of that big one from uh 1:58:24.920 --> 1:58:29.360 eight inches. You're not gonna make that up. No, you're 1:58:29.400 --> 1:58:30.920 not going to make that up. But what it is 1:58:31.040 --> 1:58:35.160 is that it's a it ties the world record hunter 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:40.000 killed sheep. It's like a twelve year old kid, right you. 1:58:41.120 --> 1:58:45.040 Oh no, not even a kid. I don't know, Brody. 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:48.120 I just heard it. And to your credit, you did 1:58:48.280 --> 1:58:51.160 ask him to look it up. As my kids say, 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:56.680 type it up, fact checking, trust, but verifying. Boys, it's 1:58:56.680 --> 1:58:59.440 trying to do some closing statements. I'm sorry, but it's 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:01.560 come to that time. We have to leave in an 1:59:01.600 --> 1:59:04.760 hour for the airport. I don't have any I'm good. No, 1:59:04.840 --> 1:59:06.400 I got one, my boy. The other day, I was 1:59:06.440 --> 1:59:09.160 looking at speaking of packers, my boy, I just heard 1:59:09.160 --> 1:59:13.840 about this. UM was looking at a horse and he says, man, 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:16.200 that horse has a poop that just won't come out, 1:59:17.040 --> 1:59:19.920 and uh, someone pointed out to him that that's, in 1:59:19.960 --> 1:59:21.880 fact not a poop that won't come out, this is 1:59:22.000 --> 1:59:25.800 reproductive organ and he was saying, I'm glad I don't 1:59:25.800 --> 1:59:27.440 need to carry one around like that. I'm glad I 1:59:27.440 --> 1:59:30.880 got a small one. So it's good to have that perspective. 1:59:31.920 --> 1:59:34.760 To be thankful for what you got. That's my closing thought. 1:59:34.800 --> 1:59:38.040 Be thankful for what you got, ladies and gentlemen to 1:59:38.440 --> 1:59:44.240 one whatever. Lauren, thanks Caam for having me. I didn't 1:59:44.280 --> 1:59:47.040 have a lot of contribution there, but uh, it sure 1:59:47.280 --> 1:59:49.400 was fun coming out here and shooting sick a deer, 1:59:49.800 --> 1:59:51.840 not only from the tree stand, but to get to 1:59:51.960 --> 1:59:55.120 experience it from the ground, and it's awesome. You know. 1:59:55.200 --> 1:59:57.320 I think you're concluding thought should be you should stay 1:59:57.360 --> 1:59:59.880 hied to the dude in New Zealand. Yeah, I hate 2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:03.680 Ben Brown. Thanks for being a fan and listening, and 2:00:04.520 --> 2:00:08.360 that's pretty cool. Didn't heard us all the way from Montana. 2:00:12.920 --> 2:00:17.000 Amen um. In the spirit of Steve's apology for the 2:00:17.600 --> 2:00:22.400 the Washington elcount, I'd issued like a semi fair warning, 2:00:24.240 --> 2:00:26.600 you know, like if you're thinking about coming out here 2:00:26.640 --> 2:00:29.440 to hunt these things which you should do. Um, just 2:00:29.680 --> 2:00:33.160 know that it's like not a slam dunk, Like it's 2:00:33.200 --> 2:00:35.640 gonna be way different, way different hunt than what I 2:00:35.720 --> 2:00:37.600 think a lot of people are expecting. They're gonna be 2:00:37.680 --> 2:00:41.840 hard to find and like hard to scout. And yeah, 2:00:41.880 --> 2:00:44.040 it's good. You probably had to come do but you 2:00:44.120 --> 2:00:45.680 might need to come do it a few times to 2:00:45.800 --> 2:00:48.560 get a dial. Yeah. Since we've kind of talked about 2:00:48.600 --> 2:00:52.520 where they live, if you're gonna come here, just be prepared. Yeah, 2:00:52.560 --> 2:00:54.440 it's not like showing up somewhere to go squirrel hunting 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:56.360 or something. You have to figure it out a little bit. 2:00:56.360 --> 2:00:58.080 But I want to come and do it for sure. 2:00:59.000 --> 2:01:03.480 You're fired up. Man, They're cool. Cool. I wish they 2:01:03.480 --> 2:01:10.320 were native man. Yeah, we discussion like what we're talking 2:01:10.400 --> 2:01:12.040 Cal and I were talking about that a little bit, 2:01:12.120 --> 2:01:14.760 like when do is there a point at which something 2:01:14.880 --> 2:01:19.080 becomes honorary native? Yeah, honorary native. If there is, I 2:01:19.120 --> 2:01:21.120 feel that they've achieved because, like I said, they've woven 2:01:21.200 --> 2:01:24.560 themselves into the cultural fabric of the East Shore. Yeah, 2:01:25.120 --> 2:01:27.240 with humans, all you have to do is be born there. 2:01:27.440 --> 2:01:30.800 I know, well not even I mean, you could be 2:01:31.320 --> 2:01:35.520 you could be born there, but um naturalized, Yeah, naturalized, 2:01:37.200 --> 2:01:40.760 good stuff. Brody. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, Brody Henderson, take 2:01:40.800 --> 2:01:47.880 it easy, Stephen. I'm just grateful for the opportunity to 2:01:47.920 --> 2:01:49.920 work with you guys this week. You know, it was 2:01:50.160 --> 2:01:53.200 it was exciting to see how the sausage is made, 2:01:53.280 --> 2:01:55.680 so to speak, for a meat Eater episode. We've read 2:01:55.760 --> 2:02:00.240 Ups and Sinclair's The Jungle how the sausages made. I 2:02:00.280 --> 2:02:02.520 think I was supposed to one of the books I 2:02:02.720 --> 2:02:04.640 skipped in high school that I was supposed to read, 2:02:05.000 --> 2:02:08.480 or don't remember at least, but now it was. It 2:02:08.560 --> 2:02:10.880 was great to work with you guys, and it was, frankly, 2:02:10.880 --> 2:02:14.720 it was it was fun to see a couple real 2:02:14.800 --> 2:02:20.000 experienced consummate hunters put back on the early stages of 2:02:20.040 --> 2:02:22.800 the learning curve. You know, the enthusiasm I saw in 2:02:22.840 --> 2:02:25.040 you guys coming back seeing something new and trying to 2:02:25.120 --> 2:02:27.200 suss out how these animals work and what makes them 2:02:27.240 --> 2:02:30.200 tick and how to be successful. It was cool for 2:02:30.280 --> 2:02:31.760 me to see that because I think a lot of 2:02:31.800 --> 2:02:35.240 folks assume that you guys are so good at what 2:02:35.360 --> 2:02:37.680 you do that it becomes sort of blase after a while. 2:02:37.760 --> 2:02:41.040 And I got to see firsthand that sort of enthusiasm 2:02:41.120 --> 2:02:44.200 and appreciation for the resource and respect for the animals 2:02:44.280 --> 2:02:47.000 that that you guys have. And I think that's what 2:02:47.160 --> 2:02:50.560 makes met Eater so special. Uh is that really shines 2:02:50.640 --> 2:02:54.280 through and the products the podcast, the show that you do, 2:02:54.480 --> 2:02:57.240 and you know, working with the guys behind the scene. 2:02:57.280 --> 2:02:59.720 My shadow for the week here, Lauren, was was a 2:02:59.760 --> 2:03:04.360 lot of fun. Um. I was not successful in taking 2:03:04.400 --> 2:03:08.600 a deer, but you you you put yourself in a 2:03:08.640 --> 2:03:10.560 position where you're sucking high and tit the whole time 2:03:10.600 --> 2:03:13.080 giving us the cherry spots. There's a little bit of that. 2:03:13.680 --> 2:03:15.920 I wanted you let us, let us go with all 2:03:15.960 --> 2:03:18.360 the hotspots and you go up and just figure something 2:03:18.360 --> 2:03:21.600 out to not getting our way. Yeah, I was you. 2:03:23.600 --> 2:03:25.240 I've been like boys, I've just found it. They really 2:03:25.320 --> 2:03:27.520 like it. Right here by the truck. I'll go back 2:03:27.560 --> 2:03:32.240 into the marsh. Don't forget the bugs. B No. I 2:03:32.320 --> 2:03:36.560 definitely wanted to see you be successful and I think 2:03:36.600 --> 2:03:39.920 he got some great footage and be looking forward to 2:03:40.360 --> 2:03:43.320 whenever it comes out in the airs. And then my 2:03:43.640 --> 2:03:48.080 final final concluder is to my friend Johan who has 2:03:48.200 --> 2:03:50.360 the other piece of the antler. You don't need to 2:03:50.440 --> 2:03:53.080 send it back to anybody. You've got my blessing to 2:03:53.240 --> 2:03:57.200 keep it. Um. But I know he's a pretty avid listener, 2:03:57.320 --> 2:03:59.520 so I don't hear about it. It'll probably be mad 2:03:59.560 --> 2:04:01.280 that I didn't contact him and tell him to come 2:04:01.320 --> 2:04:07.720 down and meet you while you're here. So Okale, thanks 2:04:07.760 --> 2:04:10.360 a ton. We've been talking about this for a long 2:04:10.480 --> 2:04:13.600 long time, and I gotta say I just exceeded expectations. 2:04:13.720 --> 2:04:16.920 How did you guys meet? Anyway? I was working, literally, 2:04:16.960 --> 2:04:19.760 I was three months in, three or four months into 2:04:19.840 --> 2:04:25.680 working at First Light at two thousand twelve, doing sales marketing, 2:04:26.000 --> 2:04:31.600 customer service, a little bit of product um and uh, 2:04:31.720 --> 2:04:37.320 Steve got a hold of me um and Cerosfully I 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:40.000 called the bitch about a ripping Mike conn Ops and 2:04:40.120 --> 2:04:41.760 he did me right, And you guys struck up a 2:04:41.760 --> 2:04:45.200 little friendship. And he was like, yeah, seek a deer 2:04:45.280 --> 2:04:47.280 in a longbow and I bet you don't even know 2:04:47.360 --> 2:04:51.040 what that is. And so and then the more I 2:04:51.080 --> 2:04:52.520 got into it, I was like, oh my god, you 2:04:52.560 --> 2:04:55.920 can call them like you can? You know, you can 2:04:56.040 --> 2:04:59.120 use calls, which is something I love. Um doesn't matter 2:04:59.160 --> 2:05:03.320 if it's ducks or elk or whatever. Um, turkeys and 2:05:04.640 --> 2:05:07.360 just something that I hadn't heard of. Tons of public 2:05:07.440 --> 2:05:12.840 ground that taste really good. Um. And it just and 2:05:12.920 --> 2:05:17.280 I just as we've discussed, I just finished uh chess 2:05:17.320 --> 2:05:20.920 Peak Mitchener's chess Peak like the year before, and uh, 2:05:22.160 --> 2:05:24.440 I feel like he does a great job in this 2:05:24.680 --> 2:05:28.320 area because the story of the chess Peak Bay is 2:05:28.600 --> 2:05:35.160 just this constant change because of well now like saltwater encroachment. Um. 2:05:36.040 --> 2:05:42.880 And you know it's it's um erosion, right, And I 2:05:42.960 --> 2:05:45.480 think that's one of the coolest things that I kind 2:05:45.480 --> 2:05:48.840 of came to. And this really is my concluder is Um, 2:05:49.240 --> 2:05:51.880 you have so many things that have changed in this 2:05:52.080 --> 2:05:56.200 area and gone away, all these islands that have fallen 2:05:57.040 --> 2:06:02.360 in into the water and a road subsumed by water. Yeah, 2:06:02.680 --> 2:06:04.400 they didn't fall into the water. I want to make 2:06:04.440 --> 2:06:11.360 that clarify that I'm gonna disagree. Um, they blew away, right, Steve, 2:06:11.520 --> 2:06:15.720 What's that the islands washed away? They got as soon 2:06:15.720 --> 2:06:20.360 as they got covered by water at some point eroded 2:06:21.040 --> 2:06:28.520 the trees. Anyway, go on account. Yeah, I'm following you. Um. 2:06:28.920 --> 2:06:35.560 And then you have this species, although it is an 2:06:35.600 --> 2:06:38.240 invasive species, which I'm totally on the other side of. 2:06:38.560 --> 2:06:42.800 On every other argument that is now like finding new 2:06:42.880 --> 2:06:45.240 life and growth in an area where a lot of 2:06:45.320 --> 2:06:48.720 things are going away in a compromised ecosystem, which I 2:06:49.560 --> 2:06:53.320 was just blown away by. And man, it seems like 2:06:53.400 --> 2:06:56.040 a really good thing. And I'm really interested to see 2:06:56.640 --> 2:07:01.320 what biologists kind of pop out after after I listening 2:07:01.360 --> 2:07:04.440 to this as to what the other side is, because 2:07:04.480 --> 2:07:06.880 I know there's another side out there. They have to 2:07:06.960 --> 2:07:10.000 be competing against something. There's a Telvin show my kids 2:07:10.040 --> 2:07:13.760 are watching which I which I despise, called Animal Mechanicals. 2:07:15.000 --> 2:07:16.840 It's where all it's like this. I viewed as this 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:23.400 this dystopian universe where it's a post wildlife world where 2:07:23.480 --> 2:07:28.520 the animals are mechanical, all the all the trees and plants, 2:07:28.640 --> 2:07:31.920 everything is artificial and mechanical. But it's meant to be 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:34.320 cool and they do cool things. But when you watch it, 2:07:34.720 --> 2:07:38.680 it's like this, that's yeah, it's a dystopian post wildlife world. 2:07:39.400 --> 2:07:43.680 And so as you have this ecosystem here where there's 2:07:43.760 --> 2:07:48.560 it's the dominant plants, it's a non native grass, an 2:07:48.600 --> 2:07:54.760 invasive non native grass trees that were planted rising ocean 2:07:54.880 --> 2:07:59.520 levels that are encroaching on and destroying vegetation, a non 2:07:59.640 --> 2:08:02.920 native deer that is thriving in this environment, it winds 2:08:03.000 --> 2:08:05.200 up being like on the surface, you'd come and be like, wow, 2:08:05.280 --> 2:08:07.200 this is amazing, But on the other hand, you look 2:08:07.240 --> 2:08:09.400 and it's like emblematic of a lot of problems that 2:08:09.520 --> 2:08:12.920 we have with a lot of wildlife problems that we have. Yeah, 2:08:12.960 --> 2:08:15.960 and it's gonna be I'm sure he is right now, 2:08:16.160 --> 2:08:20.600 a major major conversation and the homogenizing effect of non 2:08:20.680 --> 2:08:23.840 native wildlife, nonnative flora and fauna, and it's got a 2:08:23.920 --> 2:08:28.560 culture around it and an economy around it. And yeah, 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:32.680 I mean it's it's fascinating stuff. We're adaptive in our tastes. 2:08:33.040 --> 2:08:36.880 You gotta wonder how many white tales we would have 2:08:36.920 --> 2:08:39.160 seen in there in a week if there were no 2:08:39.320 --> 2:08:42.840 secret deer the way more we did not that an 2:08:42.840 --> 2:08:50.400 anti right, I'm just a question, yea, Janie, Janie poodless Um, 2:08:51.760 --> 2:08:55.880 great time this week. Thanks Steve again, appreciate you hosting us. 2:08:57.080 --> 2:08:59.200 We stay in Steve's uh you know, may to plug 2:08:59.280 --> 2:09:03.480 your A and B come down here and Church Creek 2:09:03.520 --> 2:09:05.880 and staying Steve spot. What it's a sweet little spot. 2:09:08.600 --> 2:09:10.880 We're gonna want to come down and Steve's gonna be like, oh, 2:09:10.920 --> 2:09:13.800 I can't, I'm all booked up. He's gonna be like, who, 2:09:13.920 --> 2:09:16.800 just let me know when you're coming. Now, I'm rolling 2:09:16.880 --> 2:09:20.200 my eyes now if you can't hear me, my eyes 2:09:20.240 --> 2:09:22.840 are rolling in my head. Um, I was gonna give 2:09:22.840 --> 2:09:26.160 you some I was gonna plug your Airbnb, Steve. No, 2:09:26.320 --> 2:09:29.320 I make sure to protect some days for for when 2:09:29.360 --> 2:09:31.080 I'm planning a hunt, and if I know you guys 2:09:31.160 --> 2:09:34.800 are coming, they'll be there's long and available. Yeah, but 2:09:34.840 --> 2:09:37.160 there's a long season. It opens up September six that 2:09:37.280 --> 2:09:41.080 runs through the end of uh January. And you know, 2:09:41.160 --> 2:09:42.840 we've got this house that I used to live here 2:09:43.280 --> 2:09:46.480 Monday through Friday, um, when I worked on the New 2:09:46.520 --> 2:09:50.520 Trio project, and now that I'm over on the Western 2:09:50.640 --> 2:09:54.040 Shore and one of those people, those people right, uh, 2:09:54.640 --> 2:09:58.440 you know that you're a chicken necker. I Uh, my 2:09:58.560 --> 2:10:00.440 wife and I decided to put the us up on 2:10:00.560 --> 2:10:03.840 Airbnb after we were unsuccessful in selling it, and lo 2:10:03.960 --> 2:10:07.840 and behold, it's been pretty popular through the summer months. Um. 2:10:08.080 --> 2:10:10.400 We try to keep the price raisable and for a 2:10:10.480 --> 2:10:12.480 group of guys that come in, it's much cheaper than 2:10:12.520 --> 2:10:14.480 a hotel and you've got all the amenities at home, 2:10:14.560 --> 2:10:17.800 and and uh, you know it's it doesn't get the 2:10:17.920 --> 2:10:21.000 use during the hunting season that it does. Uh. You know, 2:10:21.120 --> 2:10:25.720 it starts to taper off in September, October, November, December, January. 2:10:25.800 --> 2:10:29.720 But uh did have an interesting case where we got 2:10:29.800 --> 2:10:34.000 an inquiry about a booking from someone in upstate New York. 2:10:34.080 --> 2:10:36.840 It turned out to live in the community right next 2:10:36.880 --> 2:10:39.480 to where I grew up. And uh, they come down 2:10:39.520 --> 2:10:42.520 in January for seven they booked for a ten day 2:10:42.600 --> 2:10:46.360 hunt this year coming up. So but yeah, it's available. 2:10:46.400 --> 2:10:48.600 It's called the Church Creek Getaway. If you go on 2:10:49.400 --> 2:10:54.200 Airbnb and look at at Cambridge, Maryland area man Church 2:10:54.240 --> 2:10:58.400 Creek Away. Too much information, Man, next day we'll be 2:10:58.480 --> 2:11:01.480 talking about where to buy them crabball. I was gonna 2:11:01.520 --> 2:11:04.720 give you a hot tip though on uh to get 2:11:04.800 --> 2:11:07.880 yourself prepared for the moment of truth with your bow. 2:11:08.320 --> 2:11:11.280 There's a way to practice for them. A couple of 2:11:11.360 --> 2:11:15.800 things I've done is you can enter tournaments and if 2:11:15.840 --> 2:11:19.040 you're in a competition sort of a setting, there's you know, 2:11:19.720 --> 2:11:22.800 stress or that you induce. You know that that setting 2:11:22.840 --> 2:11:26.040 induces on you, understand. I don't think that's a good idea. 2:11:27.040 --> 2:11:28.760 That's only gets the same thing. But go ahead, No, 2:11:28.880 --> 2:11:31.240 it's not the same thing at all, But you get us. 2:11:31.280 --> 2:11:33.360 There's a stress that you when you're at home just 2:11:33.440 --> 2:11:35.880 flinging arrows that you can't replicate, right, And if you 2:11:35.960 --> 2:11:38.360 got a bunch of mugs like nah, like that kind 2:11:38.400 --> 2:11:39.840 of stuff, Yeah, that helps a little bit. What you 2:11:39.880 --> 2:11:42.000 can do at home with a bunch of mugs is 2:11:42.240 --> 2:11:45.520 put some wagers on the line, but some money on 2:11:45.600 --> 2:11:48.959 the line. Yeah, but that that's not Yeah, I appreciate 2:11:49.000 --> 2:11:50.440 the effort, man, but I don't think this is like, 2:11:50.560 --> 2:11:51.840 this is the same thing. You don't have to tell 2:11:51.880 --> 2:11:53.120 me if I'm right or wrong. I'm giving you a 2:11:53.200 --> 2:11:55.640 hot tip as a way to get better at your shooting. 2:11:56.560 --> 2:11:59.280 In that moment of truth, it's sort of deal with stress. 2:11:59.520 --> 2:12:02.040 If you's there's a large sum of money, you are 2:12:02.040 --> 2:12:04.680 going to force yourself to focus and to block out 2:12:04.760 --> 2:12:07.320 everything else, and you're not gonna allow yourself to go 2:12:07.520 --> 2:12:10.840 from oh I got this thing too, because you're like, no, 2:12:11.120 --> 2:12:16.800 there's a hundred and I need to take a second longer, 2:12:17.720 --> 2:12:21.640 exhale and squeeze. Yeah, that's true. Because even when we 2:12:21.720 --> 2:12:23.920 have rock thrown contest. I pay a lot more attention 2:12:24.000 --> 2:12:26.960 once we've got money on a rock thrown contest. Totally, 2:12:28.040 --> 2:12:30.360 I can see it, but it's still Yeah, it's just 2:12:30.480 --> 2:12:34.440 really hard to replicate man. Yeah, there's no way to 2:12:34.600 --> 2:12:37.720 replicate it. It's just things that we can do to uh, 2:12:37.920 --> 2:12:40.360 you know, it's better than nothing, better than nothing, better 2:12:40.440 --> 2:13:01.840 than nothing. Okay, I think that's everything, Like folks stops 2:13:02.000 --> 2:13:07.560 Amber d