1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: This is me et podcasting in you shirtless severely bitten 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: in my case underwear listening. He can't predict anything, Okay, 3 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: quick a couple of things. Lots of dudes, Brody, take 4 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: a stay at how many dudes have written in to 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: tell us about guy eat squirrel brains. Doesn't Why do 6 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: people like that story so much? I don't know. It's 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: not even I mean, obviously it's a thing eating them, 8 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: but people get such a little chub. It's like people 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: love it. Wildlife related disease death. Yeah, and it's like, oh, 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: it's an unconventional meal. And he got his come up, 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, he got where he had coming. We knew 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: it was going to happen eventually. Yeah, but you're also 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Stephen Ronnella, the meat eater, the guy who eats all 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: sorts of crazy stuff. So they think they're just assuming 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: that you're out there munch now and on squirrel brands. 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't like brains, man. Do you know you know 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: that what's that what's that place in Zola that has 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the brain dish brains and eggs. Yeah, you go to 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: the ox brains and eggs and and and it's like 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: a big thing when you live there and you get 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: all drunk at night, and then the bar's closed and 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: you go to the ox and you try to get 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: your body from out of town to buy brains and eggs. 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: And the thing is, if you order them, they're slogan is, 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: if you order them, you need them. I've never liked like. 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: It's like, I do not enjoy eating the brains of anything. 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm eating cow. I'm eating a handful of different I 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: don't I don't like it. I don't like it, don't 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: eat it. Kevin Murphy, World's greatest small game hunter, doesn't 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: go near squirrel brains because, um, he grew up eating them. 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: Did he eat him when we were around? His dog? Damn, 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: sure eats them. Dog likes him. Um, he doesn't need them, 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: and he doesn't know because it doesn't if there is 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: a risk, it doesn't warrant it. So it turns out 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: here's the story that everybody's all hot and bothered about. 36 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: It turns out that a guy, um, some time ago, 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: not like recently, years ago, a guy in Rochester, New York, 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: gets the human variant of mad cow disease, which is 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: pronounced our our guests, Steve Kendra will pronounce it for us, 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: I've forgotten already. Kraig Felt Jakob, Yes, right, something like that, 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: Kreid's Felt Yakob disease um, which is, like I said, 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: the human variant of mad cow disease. And it turns 43 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: out that in his history, um, he you know, he 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: had been a squirrel hunter, and in his history he 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: had had enjoyed eating some squirrel brains. So it becomes 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: this sort of like internet sensation, how he absolutely died 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: from eating squirrel brains. But now people are pointing out 48 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: that every year in New York, twenty people die from 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: variations of this disease about on average, I think it's 50 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: about one and one million people die from variations of 51 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: this disease. And there's no direct reason to believe that 52 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: that's what caused the thing. It was just it was 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: a habit he had and he happened to die from it. 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: But now doctors at that worked on this case are 55 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: clarifying that there's no evidence that the man died as 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: a result of anything he ate. But it just sounds cool. 57 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying that. I'm not saying to 58 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: run out and eats squirrel brains. It's just like funny 59 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: the way like people kind of fall in love with 60 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the narrative. Correlations versis causation, people fall in love with 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: the narrative. And holy ship to people emailing about that 62 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: given like a heads up, heads up, man um guy 63 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: wrote in it, make got anything to say about that? Guys? 64 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: Why why are you guys interested in this interesting? Diana 65 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: squirrel brains ain't interesting. No, it's like I'm not gonna 66 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: come in contact with them unless I myself make that 67 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: situation happen. It's just not something, Yeah, Steve might serve 68 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: them to you. Hey, I recently had my genetic test. 69 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: I got a freebee where you get your genetic lineage test, 70 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: and I can't bring myself to open up the part 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: about the diseases I'm probably gonna get. Oh yeah, you 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: have to watch account. I was surprised by some stuff 73 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: man I used. I was like dead sure that I 74 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: was Italian, like like that that Sicilian. And it turned 75 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: out that there's also that that that that I have 76 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: some North African ancestry, which probably no doubt came from 77 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: because that's a short little boat ride. No doubt came 78 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: from the Sicilian end. But anyways, I did this thing 79 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: that was surprised to me. They're part of that surprised 80 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: me is that there's like a thing where it's like, 81 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: here's the problems you you might have because you're genetics, right, 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: but you gotta watch a counseling video before you can 83 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: open the file. And I don't have it in me 84 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: to do it. That just says, Hey, this is not 85 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: a predetermined thing, don't I might have This is something 86 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: to watch out for. And I don't even want to know. 87 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: I want to all be a surprise. So why twenty 88 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: three and me? Aren't there like a bunch of those services. 89 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: There's one more credible than the other. Don't know. I 90 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: don't know. It wouldn't the thing you're going to die from. Like, 91 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's got looking at the same things, right, Yeah, 92 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: what if they I don't know. I gotta look. They 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: might have found something out. No, they don't do it 94 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: like medical testing. Myself, I can't bring myself to open it. Yanni, 95 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: are you cool on scroll brains? Like? Not not feeling interested? Not? Uh? 96 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: We put your mic up to your top. Li Guy 97 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: wrote in we're talking about whether Missouri is in the South, 98 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: and I'm saying I keep talking about this. Has anyone 99 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: here familiar with the with the the a thing that 100 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: was written some years ago called equine Gothic and it 101 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: has to do with um. That's very difficult. Like the 102 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: scholars of the American South who discussed Southern literature have 103 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: often had a very difficult time just defining, like what 104 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: is Southern literature, what is the literally the literary the 105 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: literature of the American South? And why are some writers 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: from the South not considered Southern writers like Truman Capodi 107 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: um from the Deep born in the Deep South, but 108 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: it is not regarded as a Southern writer. His work 109 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: isn't regarded as Southern literature. But then you look at 110 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: um someone like William Faulkner, obviously a Southern writer, Larry 111 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Brown obviously a Southern writer. And this scholar that this 112 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: thing called equine Gothic, and he found that the real 113 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: test isn't like is the person from the South. Do 114 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: they have a masculine voice, do they identify with Southern issues? 115 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: Do they have a reverence for history? Is their literatre? 116 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: Is their literature body like imbued with religious thinking and 117 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: all these other markers of Southern literature. He came out 118 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: and said like, if the writer's work features dead mules, 119 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: it's Southern literature and goes in and every person that 120 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: we regard as being a Southern writer, um has a 121 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: lot of dead mules, And so his thing is like, 122 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: is there a dead mule in it? If there is, 123 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: it's Southern literature. And McCarthy, who's kind of you know, South, 124 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: But then also Southwest has so many dead mules, and 125 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: like Carmen McCarthy's work is so littered with dead mules 126 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: that he should be regarded as a Southern writer. But 127 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about the South. And I was saying, in 128 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: my mind, in the South, is it like does it 129 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: have an armadillo? And so I thought, Missouri, in my view, 130 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: is the South because there's a lot of snakes, there's 131 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that bites you. And I got 132 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: scared by an armadillo well in Missouri. And the guy 133 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: wrote in and he said, Um, Missouri is a Midwest state. 134 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: Here's how I know. Missourians refer to coke as pop. 135 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: If Missouri was in the South, they would say coke 136 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: to refer to all forms of carbonated beverages except beer. 137 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: I was born in the South and lived in Missouri 138 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: for a while, so I'm an expert. So he wanted 139 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: to put that to bed. Another thing, a lot of 140 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: people wrote in about that. I want to clarify. People 141 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: are like people who watched the New Mediator season on 142 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: Netflix watched our fog Neck Island episodes and they're like, whoa, 143 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: why does this not include the material? Um? Why does 144 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: this not include the bear attack that became the meat 145 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: tree one into podcast episodes? The answer is, we didn't 146 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: film it, and the mantra is if it didn't happen 147 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: on camera, didn't happen. Um, there's no filming of it. 148 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: We try to get different ways to like work it in, 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: but it just isn't like substantiated. You know, it doesn't 150 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: work to like talk in the episode. It doesn't work 151 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: to like talk about how it happened because it just 152 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: seems bullshitty. It's not a story you could have told 153 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: quickly either. No, we even talked about bringing in having 154 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: someone animated, talked about it, but it just winds up 155 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: being there's just different ways to tell different stories. And 156 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: also it involved the crew. Um. And in TV land, 157 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: did they did you study Lauren? Did you study TV making? 158 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: Camera making? What do you guys call it? How when 159 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: I went to schools of video television production, do they 160 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: talk about the fourth wall? Did you? I didn't learn 161 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: about the fourth wall until much, much later. That's interesting 162 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: that you didn't. They didn't teach you that in school, 163 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: you know? And TV. I don't recall that conversation, but yeah, 164 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: and TV and film is a concept of the fourth one. 165 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: Let's say you're watching a sitcom. You guys, you guys 166 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: having a private conversation right now, I missed that day. 167 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: We're just up. You were interrupting, you guys. Seemed like 168 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: you were going into a private deal. Okay, go ahead 169 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: and share with everyone. We're done now. I just wonder 170 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: to just see what sulemental thing. Oh, you're expressing disbelief 171 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: that he doesn't know what the fourth wall. And I 172 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: was thinking, well, you might have just been kayaking that 173 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: day when they just when they covered that. Oh yeah, 174 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: because you were a big school skipper, failed on class. 175 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: Uh the fourth wall. Let's say you're watching a sitcom 176 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: and you're you the viewer at home or watching the 177 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: sitcom you're watching, You're seeing three rooms of the You're 178 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: seeing three walls right of the home because the fourth 179 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: wall of a room. Yeah, imagine like the living room 180 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: and then they walk into the kitchen and you never 181 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: see the wall that you're the viewers looking from. Yeah, 182 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: that wall is missing because that wall is cameras and crew, 183 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: director and lights. Right, so and TV is this thing 184 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: like breaking the fourth wall? Breaking the fourth wall would 185 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: be revealing, revealing the fact that there's a thing being made, like, 186 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: you know, exposing the making of something we on occasion 187 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: on the show. I don't think we have any cases 188 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: in season seven of breaking the fourth wall. We do 189 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: it very judiciously, right, Yeah, only when it really really 190 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: it would like it would be a great part of 191 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: the story. You know, the story needs it, you know, 192 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: to keep moving forward. You know, the first time the 193 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: Lavine Eagle ever stepped foot, No, the second time second 194 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: sheot you ever stepped foot into the woods with us. 195 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: You broke the fourth wall by spotting up a grizzy 196 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: bearry that was coming into camp um. So that's like 197 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: the breaking of the fourth wall. If someone had happened 198 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: to be rolling a camera when we got attacked by 199 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: the bear, that would have been a wonderful opportunity to 200 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: break the fourth wall and have to be part of 201 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: the show, even if we had had audio of it, 202 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: but it's just didn't it wasn't there, didn't work. It 203 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: seems to me that breaking the fourth wall happens in 204 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: hunting production quite a bit. Oftentimes there's no fourth wall 205 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: or the fourth wall, there's part of the disregarded. Yeah, 206 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: lot of productions just disregard the rule about the fourth wall, 207 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: and the camera person even becomes a character. Yeah. I 208 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: don't like that. It's about it's like it's it winds 209 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: up being really postmodern where it's like a lot of 210 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's in a negative way, a 211 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: lot of hunting shows are very post modern and that 212 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: it's a hunting show about making a hunting show, right, 213 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: which has postmodern which in school we learn to call 214 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: it pomo, which has postmodern elements. What do you think 215 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: about all that? Cal I mean, I just think of 216 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: all those brave pioneers in the hunting production world out 217 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: there that are out to do that, that are pomo 218 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: without knowing it. Because I don't have a problem with it, man, 219 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: But it's just like a way, like a decision that 220 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: we made about like a certain reverence for the fourth wall, 221 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: and that was in their pitch too outdoor Sportsman's group 222 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: that they're doing a pomo show. Yep, now grasp this. 223 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: It's circular. Um, you guys can care if I keep 224 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: going on some of these clarifications. Western Nebraska. A lunch 225 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: guy like a lunch lady, who's not a lunch lady. 226 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: He's a lunch man. The guy in charge of a 227 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: lunch program at a school fixes up some ground meat 228 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: and it's beef, but he cuts in some kangaroo meat 229 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: that he bought from his regular purveyor at Cisco, like 230 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: the giant Cisco truck. When I used to wash dishes 231 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: at a summer camp near my home when I was 232 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: thirteam that summer camps food all came from Cisco. Cisco 233 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: sells kangaroo meat, kangaroo meats, inspected kangaroo meat. He buys some, 234 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: cuts it in with beef and makes some ground meat. 235 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Word gets out around school he's been cutting in kangaroo 236 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: meat with beef. His explanation is it's a good lean cut. 237 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: Why not? Um, So people say, like, oh, like kangaroo 238 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: meat made me sick, which people think is not not true. 239 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: Isn't like the idea of it and the guy gets 240 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: fired from buying kangaroo me from the damn supplier. Then 241 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure he didn't even it's not even his choice 242 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: who he uses. No, you can buy anything from Cisco. 243 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: They distribute alligator, They distribute all sorts of crazy stuff 244 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: or stuff that most folks would consider crazy. And this 245 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: guy was just picking from a catalog basically, and he 246 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: said serious and he said kangaroo me. I'll grind it 247 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: up and with the kids, probably sticking within his budget 248 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: and being responsible with it other than have him on 249 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: the show. Meanwhile, the basketball team has been screaming dunking 250 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: from a free throw line. These kids are good. Where 251 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: the kids learn to jump. I'd like to taste kangaroo. 252 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: I've had it. I can't know what happened. Sometimes sometimes 253 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: like something I was doing through work and someone sent 254 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: me a big box, not a big box with sampler box. 255 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: It had like, um, yeah, meet kangaroo meat, all domestic stuff. 256 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: Though you know, I don't know the kangaroo. I don't 257 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: know how they were and how I don't I don't 258 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: remember I had ostrich in it. Did they raise kangaroo 259 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: in the States, I don't think so. I guess they 260 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: bring in Red'd be smart for us to find out 261 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: more about stuff like this before we talk about it. 262 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: We usually don't make that bad of a mistake. I 263 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't have brought it up interesting. I mean we could 264 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: pull up just pull up the Cisco menu online. I 265 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: mean Cisco tracks delivered a everywhere everywhere you know some 266 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,479 Speaker 1: episodes ago. Be honest, we're in the middle of a conversation. 267 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: I tasked you with finding some real zing or some twain. 268 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: You never came through on it. Oh no, I had 269 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: him pulled up. We just never had a chance to 270 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: come back through. Well, I'm gonna give you another chance here. Please, 271 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: Can you find out where the kangaroo meat comes from? 272 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: Real quick? Yeah? Um, but I don't want to know that. 273 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: If I was in his position, and I've been serving 274 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: probably chicken and beef for as long as I've had 275 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: that job, and I kind of I would call it 276 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: a wild hair to be like, it's a real dude, 277 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to normalize it. It's a wild hair. 278 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: Look at that does' here? Okay? Look, and I'm totally 279 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: cool cutting it in. But I think I would have 280 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: been like, hey, heads up, what do you guys think, yeah, 281 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: full disclosure. It's a deviation from the norm certainly. And 282 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know the guy. That's why I like, if 283 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: use my neighbor and I had a better grip on him, 284 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: I might be like, like, for instance, let's say my 285 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: brother ran a lunch hot lunch program and it turns 286 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: out that he's putting in cutting in kangaroo with the beef. 287 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: I would think he's not being clever, he's not being tricky, 288 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: he's not being cute, see resentful. It's just in his head. 289 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: He looked it's like, wow, I can get that for 290 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: that price. And I'm just I think that he would 291 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: have done it, and it wouldn't occurred to him to 292 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: tell anybody about it. This is a guy who micro 293 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: raves dear trim and tupperware containers and put salt on 294 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: it needs it. I mean, think of the attitude. I'm 295 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: not calling this uh cafeteria fellow chef, but think of 296 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: the attitudes and most chefs right there, like this is 297 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: my space. I control this, I control what's going on. 298 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: I orchestrate what's going on here. It may not even 299 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: occurred to this guy in any way to have to 300 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: ask anybody about anything that's his domain, right or or 301 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: since we don't know him, maybe he's a total smartass 302 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: and he's real like on the edge, kind of wants 303 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: to quit. Yeah, smoking heaters behind school, right next to 304 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: the no tobacco on school property sign. Yeah, I don't 305 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: know anything about him. And if that was the case, 306 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: they'd be like, dude, you did it because you thought 307 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: it would be funny. Um, okay, you know, you know. 308 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: Why don't you want you just to just to come 309 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: full circle on it. Why don't you bring up a 310 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: couple of zingers from Mark Twain, Sam Clemens, um, moving 311 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: on down a couple of things. Uh. A friend of 312 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: mine shared with me an interesting academic peace about some linguists. 313 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: Who are you guess from here? With the Maori, I'm 314 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: like mutilating the name a little bit from New Zealand. 315 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: So the indigenous people of New Zealand, um, and they 316 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: were looking at So they drove, Like when the indigenous 317 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: New Zealand or is the Maori, arrived in New Zealand, 318 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: they drove. There was a I think it was like 319 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: a family of birds. But these things called MOA's, these 320 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: giant flightless birds, um, they drove. They overhunted him and 321 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: drove them to extinction. And linguists are looking at the 322 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: Maori language and art and other things, and we're looking 323 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: at like did they what was their comprehension of the 324 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: extinction that they were causing? And the language is littered 325 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: with references to the vanishing and then gone moa. It 326 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: was a cognizant so they saw it coming. It was 327 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: a cognizant thing. And then later when Europeans arrived and 328 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: introduced disease and exploitation warfare and started really killing them 329 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: off the mare, we would say we will be gone 330 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: like the moa. So that yeah, So it was like 331 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: because you wonder like when when the you know, all 332 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: these you know, wooly mammoth's going extinct, giant ground slaws 333 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: going extinct contemporaneous with the rival the arrival of the 334 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: first Americans who came across the bearing Land Bridge, and 335 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: you wonder did what was their thought process? Like how 336 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: do they look at what was happening? Were they aware 337 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: of it? Or did eventually be like you know what, 338 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: I haven't in a long time. But there was people 339 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: who saw some at some point and then never saw 340 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: them or saw him again. So what was their awareness 341 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: of it. But you don't even have to go that 342 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: for I mean, just think of the buffalo hunters that 343 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: we talked about all the time, right, there were definitely 344 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: people who were like, we are driving these animals to extinction. 345 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: We're watching it firsthand. And then there's the dudes in 346 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: Miles City being like just waiting on that northern herd 347 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: to come down. Horn today talked about haven't seen in 348 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: twenty five years, but it's coming. Yeah. When Hornday came 349 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: out to try to collect one of the last couple 350 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: living ones for for the Smithsonian, he talked about that 351 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: there's people in Miles City who were still just biding 352 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: their time, waiting for the next waiting for the next 353 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: big push to come from the north, which never showed up. 354 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's interesting. Uh. Couple more little tidbits. 355 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: Some researchers in New Hampshire and Maine. We're looking at 356 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, moose or dying from tick are diseases. They 357 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: looked at a dead mouse, how many ticks around it? 358 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: Forty seven thousand ticks, Which is a cute story, but 359 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with it. It's the wolves 360 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: that are killing them, Steve, Wolves aren't even there. The 361 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: ticks just slow them down a little bit. Uh seven 362 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: thousand ticks man, and estimated two d and fifty or 363 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: so chickerbtes that I had forty seven thousand ticks. The 364 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: bear meat that UH got that made us sick, they 365 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: gave us trick on nosis when they tested it at 366 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: a lab and in Atlanta, Georgia, had I think eight 367 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: hundred sixty or something like that trick annella larva per 368 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Graham and it while not coming out to that that 369 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: meat has close to a half million I can't remember 370 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: the exact number, but I remember this, and I did 371 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: the math on it. Close to a half million larva 372 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: per pound of bearing me. If you're eating an effective 373 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: piece of bearing me, that's how much is in there. 374 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: Moving on, a guy rolled in and this is kind 375 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: of interesting point. No, this is another comment because we 376 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: just put our like I said, our Sea the seventh 377 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: season the met Eats up as a Netflix original right now, 378 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: and so we've been getting a lot of email people 379 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: right in and the guy rolled in and he's like, 380 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: I kind of get it. You probably have time to 381 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: get into this. But it weren't talking about with the 382 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: forty mile Caribou Herd and the forty mile We have 383 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: a couple of episodes that focus on the forty mile 384 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: heard of cariboun it lasta called the forty Mile Herd, 385 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: and he feels like we did a real disservice to 386 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: the discussion by not bringing up the degree to which 387 00:23:51,119 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: aerial wolf control lead to the recovery of that caribou 388 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: heard and how um, how kicking ask the forty mile 389 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: Heard is today? And it's interesting because this is just 390 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: another thing about show business. We talked about that a 391 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: whole bunch just didn't make the cut. You got twenty 392 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: two minutes. We didn't see or hear a little fun 393 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: that No, and I wanted to point out to him, 394 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: they can't aerial We were actually in a spot that 395 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: they don't aerial gun. They can't aerial gun. And it's 396 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: still you said, how many thousands get nailed by wolves 397 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: out of that herd, like four thousand and get eaten 398 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: by wolves? Yeah, brown bears kill a bunch, Wolves kill 399 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: a bunch. They kill way more than people kill. But 400 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: when the forty mile Heard was really whittled back like 401 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in the lowest of the lower time, um, it was 402 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: aerial wolf gunning, that it alleviated a lot of pressure 403 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: on that herd gave him a chance to come back 404 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: because what happened, but it happened otherwise. But he just 405 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: felt that it was like a missed opportunity to clarify 406 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: a point because you everyone, um uh, it just comes 407 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: up now and then like aerial wolf gunning is like 408 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: controversial and every people felt that, Like Sarah Palin's like 409 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: literally like that she was literally upshooting wolves out of helicopters. 410 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: It was kind of like a just like now and 411 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: then the popular culture kind of grabs onto these little 412 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: tidbits that they don't really understand well and run with them. Lastly, 413 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: before we getting what we're here to talk about, Steve, 414 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: you got your calls ready because when I come out, 415 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about something else. And then I come 416 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: out of this. I want you to be ready to 417 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: rip some calls, some seeker calls. Do you want to 418 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: do the butle I can. It's not gonna blow your 419 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: listeners ears out, but stand by if we're not ready yet. 420 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: All right, I want to tease people with what's coming. 421 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: Um yeah, like this is like an apology to a 422 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: bunch of people about something I messed up, and I 423 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: feel really shitty about it. Uh. We usually never talk 424 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: in great detail about locations of anything, and I did 425 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: a hunt in southeast Washington and we talked in great 426 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: detail about locations and it was a really bad judgment 427 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: call on my part, and I want to apologize anyone 428 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: who's offended by it. And it was like a shitty 429 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: thing of me to do. I don't want to I'm 430 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: gonna tell you why I did it, and I don't 431 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: want you to think that I don't want people to 432 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: think that I'm justifying what I did. I'm saying that 433 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: it was wrong and I really regret it, and it's 434 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: not a mistake I will ever make again. It was wrong, 435 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: but I want to just clear, like to tell you 436 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: where my head was. I think it's like helpful to 437 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: understand where it's coming from, not offered as a justification. 438 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: I felt that that I was hunting on a tag 439 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: that's very difficult to draw. Okay, even to get an 440 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: archery permit here takes six to ten years. So thinking there, 441 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm thinking like it doesn't really become like someone's spot, right, 442 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: It's not like you go there every year and do 443 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: something it's like now, and then you're given a you 444 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: know a person might expect to once or twice in 445 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 1: a lifetime, get to go here and hunt. Um. And 446 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: also then remember, people that can draw the tag is limited. 447 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: It's tightly limited ten to fourteen people. So whether or 448 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: not people know about it or not isn't gonna have 449 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: any bearing on the competition load because the competition load 450 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: is dictated by the number of tags. Now that gets 451 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated, and I'll explain where I'm 452 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: wrong on that too, but that was in my mind, 453 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: and my mind was it's limited by the availability of tags. 454 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Only ten to fourteen people can hunt it anyway, so 455 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about sending a bunch of 456 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: people to a place that's over the counter, which I 457 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: would really never do. And you can only draw every 458 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: like you know, you drawed every ten years, so um, 459 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: it's not like it's your like annual honey hoole. And 460 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: so for those reasons, Um, because we never talked about 461 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: specificity of a spot. For the those reasons, I kind 462 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: of had in my head that it was okay to 463 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: talk about it. Another thing that influenced my thinking is 464 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: it's a pretty small unit. Most of the unit, or 465 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: the bulk of the unit, majority of the unit is 466 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: privately held. The publicly held peace is basically like just 467 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: a single drainage or you know, kind of a drains 468 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: with a fork in it. Um, there's the most there's 469 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot of places you can stand and look at 470 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: the whole entire unit from one spot. Um. Yes, forty 471 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: basically forty square miles of country that you can look 472 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: over one spot. It's very easily understood. Um. And I 473 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: just thought that it wasn't really having any real bearing 474 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: on things. The herd moves around a lot in there. 475 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't seem to matter what what you know, 476 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, Johnnie, I want to prepare 477 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: your thoughts. Yeah, I'm preparing a counter thought, okay, and Kay, 478 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: I'd like you to prepare your thoughts, BROLDI, if you 479 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: have thoughts on this, you can prepare them as well. 480 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: That was my thinking. What I didn't consider is this. 481 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: I didn't consider the fact that there are people who 482 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: apply for the unit and they've come to enjoy a 483 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: certain percentage chance of getting it into by talking about 484 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: it and promoting it, you would dilute their chances, so 485 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: that makes it wrong. Um, And it was just wrong 486 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: because friends of friends and people I encountered were generous 487 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: enough to tell me about it, and maybe they won't 488 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: draw the tag next year, but maybe their body will 489 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: draw the tag next year. And I screwed their body 490 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: over by talking about it. It was just wrong. I 491 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: feel like shit about it. I think about it every day. Yeah, 492 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: it's really interesting because that unit falls in a spot 493 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: where like it's popular enough to have a you know, 494 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: low percentage of drawing it. It's not popular enough that 495 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: like everybody just knows it to be like the Unit 496 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: of Washington, Because if he drew a unit ten or 497 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: nine in Arizona and we went down there for an 498 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: arch real hunt, but sure as hell would have pretty 499 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: much the same experience. Talk to people on the ground 500 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: that hunt it and get info. But it's so popular 501 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: already that like we I don't think us talking about 502 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: are going to decrease the odds farther right, Like we 503 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: just wouldn't have that effect. So I don't know. I 504 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: can't say if that's actually gonna happen. People might feel 505 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: that that's gonna happen, that all sudd there's gonna be 506 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: this influx of you know, applications to that unit. Maybe, 507 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: But so I don't know if you should actually feel 508 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: that bad. Do you feel bad? No? Why do people 509 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: get mad at me and not you? I don't know, 510 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: because you do most of the talking. Kel. Yeah. I 511 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: mean when we first talked about this, I thought it 512 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: was more of like a once in a lifetime unit. 513 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: According to some guys that I talked to, they do 514 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: feel it's a once in a lifetime unit. Um, like 515 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: with just the creep of odds, like you're just not 516 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: gonna draw this thing twice in that case, like Bridget 517 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: Noon in our office right now, she has a true 518 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: once lifetime tag. Moose tag and Idaho both literally cannot 519 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: draw it again. If you're successful, you cannot draw it again. Yeah, 520 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: and well that's interesting. So if you the same thing 521 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: for all those tropy species, if you draw a bighorn 522 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: and don't not you tag, you get to keep going correct. 523 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Um. Well, if that's a good I'd love 524 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: to have that argument with you, because I think that 525 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: would fall in a grouping of regulations that could possibly 526 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: force folks into making poor decisions out in the field. 527 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: But to the immediate question, she hasn't once a lifetime 528 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: tag and people are crawling out of the woodwork to 529 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: help her. Her phone's ringing off the hook with hey, 530 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: I just saw a moose over here. Hey, I just 531 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: saw a moose over here. How does that not fall 532 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: into electronic communications? This is this is the thing we got. 533 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: That's very interesting? How that is legally in Idaho? Though 534 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: electronic community two communications are convey the whereabout which I 535 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: despise but should be not. Um, how much help do 536 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: you need out there? Like? At what point are you 537 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: just not hunting? I feel like good woodsmanship skills are 538 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: falling off the table every day. But um, there's a 539 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: there's a good point of like, hey, it's once lifetime tag. 540 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: Other people who have been successful in the same unit 541 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: are free flowing with information. You know it's all dated information, 542 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: of course, but they're like, yes, this time, this spot 543 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: went up here, glass from here, called from here, drove 544 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: this road every single day, all that stuff, and it's 545 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: based off the fact that they're never gonna hunt it again. 546 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: So in those situations, man, help people out. It's not 547 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna hurt you at all. But you know what, it's 548 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: not like, um, I feel it's wrong even if I 549 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: knew that I didn't harm someone like I've harmed someone's chance. 550 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: It's just like it was like it was like and 551 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't even something I thought about. It just happened 552 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: very fast, and it's just really it was one of 553 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: my it's one of my biggest like it's one of 554 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: my biggest like professional regrets doing that because we have 555 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: a policy of not doing it, and for some reason, 556 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: I've made a snap decision. And I don't think that 557 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: anyone is mad at me about it, is gonna stop 558 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: being mad at me about it because I'm apologized. No, 559 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: absolutely not. They're just gonna dig in deeper. Yeah, I 560 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: sure would. But you know if, on the other hand, too, 561 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 1: like if you feel like giving out really solid information 562 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: could somehow deprive somebody of their experience with this golden 563 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: ticket in their hand, that might be a way of 564 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: looking at it. It's not really the way I look 565 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: at it. But I think you just made yourself a scapegoat, 566 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: is all. Because there's a way to check it. See 567 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: how many applications they get for that unit in the 568 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: coming years following the podcast. But the video, Yeah, but 569 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: how do you know that everything else remained constant points 570 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: are constantly going up. And I like, I sympathize with 571 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: some of these people because like I'm a big game 572 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: hunter and I'm aware of like certain units and certain 573 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: regions in Western States that are known for certain species. 574 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about that unit beforehand. You know, 575 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: I've never heard about it. But non residents don't like 576 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: if you go like a service like hunting fool to 577 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: do non resident tag applications, they recommend against, they recommend against, 578 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: and don't even do Washington applications for so hostile and 579 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: hot Washington, so hostile nons. I'm just saying, you know, 580 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: you gotta sympathize with the guy who's like I have. 581 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: I am sympathized. I'm telling them saying that I messed up, 582 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: and then I'm deeply sorry and I really regretted and 583 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: a stupid thing to do, and it was anything to do. 584 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: Do you guys think and this is something I've done, 585 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: do you guys think it would so on the pure 586 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: meat harvesting side of things, I think that the rule 587 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: of don't drive past one to get one is a 588 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: really good rule. And I know my first year in Idaho. 589 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I am gonna hunt within fifteen minutes 590 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: of the office because I know there's elk within fifteen 591 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: minutes of the office, and just gave away a spot. Yeah. Um, 592 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: for the greater good, I hope, so do you. I've 593 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: often thought, should residents of a county have a better 594 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: chance like written into the system so far away from 595 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now. I don't think so, 596 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: because we're talking about opportunity. No, I don't think it 597 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: should be by county. No, No, No, Alaska does a 598 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: lot of stuff like that. Well, there's certain there's certain 599 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: zip codes or that are regarded as rural subsistence and 600 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: you have different regulations, but it's a different system up there. 601 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: But no, I don't think it should be that you 602 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: have to factor in a person zip code to figure 603 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: out what chances they have A draw a tag in 604 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: a certain state could be right for I think it'd 605 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: be right for exploitation, and I think it would be 606 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: just like a like add regulatory complexities and they just 607 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: do it at the state level. Steve, So, there's a 608 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: contingent of folks in Maryland here who share similar sentiments 609 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: about you spot burning, not just you. But Outdoor Life recently, 610 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: UH published a little thing on exotic game and where 611 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: you can hunt, so they put Secretar and Del Marva there. 612 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: So there's this concern that the about that I don't 613 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 1: care about that. I'll never apologize about that, apologize about 614 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: telling Americans about a wild game resource that's available. Absolutely, 615 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: I support that that you're allowed nine of a year. No, 616 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: there's arguments about that too, about whether it's too liberal 617 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: or whatnot. But you know, the state has a goal 618 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: of sort of containing the population within its current sort 619 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: of distribution. They would have liked to have seen it 620 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 1: contained within southern Dorchester, but it's since expanded into western 621 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Wakamico County across the Nanticoke River, and it's creeping outwards slowly. 622 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: The Secret Deer does a great transition, by the way, 623 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: real good transition. Uh. Would you mind ripping? Um? Would 624 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: you mind ripping a seekist egg? Hall? Liking it there? 625 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: And that sound right now it is permeating the air 626 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: here about ringing through the marshy silence. Yes, it's an 627 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: awesome sound to hear. Walk us through real quick, um, 628 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: the real quick and you've done before walks through the 629 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: real quick history of how how sica sica or what 630 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: what was it. It's like a sick of sika deer 631 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: came to be living here abouts. Well, best of my knowledge, 632 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: there was a gentleman that owned the island of the 633 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: mouth the chop Tank River. I visited the island the 634 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: other day, which is kind of gone. Yeah, a lot 635 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: of the chest Big Bay islands are disappearing before our 636 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 1: very eyes. Um. But they were introduced there and they 637 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: escaped the island made the mainland, and uh that established 638 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: the population that's grown since they do. He had a 639 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: half dozen of them, and there's now an estimated I 640 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: think that DNA rnists makes the heard between ten and 641 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand. It's pretty hard to census because the cover 642 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: they live in is just ridiculously thick. As you've seen 643 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: this week, imagine trying to count those buggers. Um. So 644 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, they do very well. And the especially in 645 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: the marshy and and sort of backwater habitats of southern 646 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: Dorchester County, which is home to the Blackwater National Wildlife 647 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: Refuge Fishing Bay Wildlife Management Area, tens of thousands of 648 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: acres of of sort of brackish water to saltwater marshes 649 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: uh interspersed with mostly pine but some hardwood mixed in 650 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: upland habitats, and they do really well in that habitat, 651 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: which is, you know, kind of marginal habitat for white 652 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: tailed deer as far as forage quality and that sort 653 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: of thing. So they've kind of supplanted white tails as 654 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: the dominant herbivore or ungulate in southern Dorchester County. As 655 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: you move northern into the more northern parts of the 656 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: county where you get more agriculture, you will get mixed 657 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: species herds, but with both white tails and sca. But yeah, 658 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: Southern Dorchester locals referred to it as Sekaville, and they're 659 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: like people like really like to draw the distinction around 660 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: here between east side of Chespeake Bay and the west 661 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: side of Chespeake Bay. Like the west side Chespike Bays 662 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: all assholes. East side of Chespeake Bay is like salt 663 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: of the earth. Salt of the earth. Great people give 664 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: you the shirt off your back, and the secret deer 665 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: only live with the great people. Correct, they do not 666 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: live with the assholes. Right, They're only on the east shore, 667 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: eastern shore. If you technical about it, Yeah, I got you, Um, 668 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: and it's all accrued over the last hundred years. Yeah, 669 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: and I think their popularity really has only taken off 670 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: and probably the last ten to twenty years where sort 671 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: of you know, the word has gotten out and they're 672 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: good eating, they're abundant or fun to hunt. So it's really, uh, 673 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: it's driven least prices. It's just it's driven sort of 674 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: public use. So are public lands here in the eastern 675 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: Shore of Maryland. It's been become quite popular and so 676 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: there's a contingent of people that think that, you know, 677 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna overwhelmed the resource. It's too limited, it's too unique. 678 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: It should be protected and valued more by restricting the 679 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: number of tags that are given out, that by introducing 680 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: some form of competition for nonresidents to to obtain those 681 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: permits and all that. Yeah, well it's a non native 682 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: though in the minute, Yeah, it's always really tricky with 683 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: to what degree do you coddle, you coddle and encourage 684 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: the expansion of a non native species that almost certainly 685 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: has to come at some cost to native fauna. Any 686 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: over abundant ungula, even our native white tails, can have 687 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: deleterious ecological impacts when they hit numbers that are you know, 688 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: look at any suburban area where hunting doesn't effectively suppress 689 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: that population. You'll see massive destruction of undergrowth and that 690 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 1: sort of thing. They are no different. You know, they 691 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: just happened not to be native, so you know that 692 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: that's not thought to be as as uh damaging is 693 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: like nutrient were or you know, zebra muscles that have 694 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: these you know, catastrophic changes to the environment. But certainly, 695 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: if you look hard enough, I'm sure you can find 696 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: the negative impacts that at least overabundant population. But they 697 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: certainly seem at home here and they've really taken to it, 698 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: and they've become ingrained in the local culture and considered 699 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,479 Speaker 1: by most sort of a naturalized citizen of the Eastern Shore. 700 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: Did you know that there was a plan um a 701 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: long time ago, a hundred over a hundred years ago 702 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: now to introduce hippopotamuses into Louisiana. They thought they wanted 703 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: to introduce them as a meat source and into control 704 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: water hyacinth. Had they done it, Had they done it, 705 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,800 Speaker 1: you now wouldn't think it was weird buying now, you 706 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't think it was weird to see a hippo in Louisia, 707 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: in the Bayou Country, and I feel now it's like 708 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: these deer seems like totally unweird and at home, I 709 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: have to admit, you know, they seem like it like 710 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise you. It's not like zebras running around. 711 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: It's because someone told me, like, oh, no, it's just 712 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: this native species deer. I like that makes sense. Hippost 713 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: kill a lot of people, though, that'd be like introducing 714 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: a grizzly bear. No, they're way worse than grizzlies and 715 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: wolves into the Deep South, right, like hundreds of people 716 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: you're dying from hippo's seriously, Well, yeah, so I think 717 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: it would be a little different. I think the weirdness 718 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: would still be, like, why did we introduce this aquatic killer? 719 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah it's I'm not it's not apples and apples. It's 720 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: not happening that. But I'm saying, like, over time they 721 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 1: become like the sika deer that they call now folks 722 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: around here calls sick of deer. But it's just it's 723 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 1: too confusing to me because we already have a sitka 724 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: black tail sit cub blacktail, and so a sick of deer. 725 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: I just say sikus so I can keep my head 726 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: straight and the heads straight with those around me. Um. 727 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel that it like, uh, it doesn't 728 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: take long for the animal to become woven into the 729 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: cultural fabric. Guys drive around here with decals on their 730 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: window that's say marsh ghost snakeheads too. There. There's like 731 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: a snakehead culture here too, that's established in five years, 732 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: snakehead fishing culture, snakehead guys, snakehead contest, snakehead tackle. You 733 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: guys really grab on Asian stuff. They like Asian species exactly, 734 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: and yet are one all you can eat buffet and 735 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: Cambridge closed a couple of years ago. Sad to see that. 736 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: Go can use apples with the call behind. Yeah, a 737 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: lot everybody knows the words stagged, but I feel like 738 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: some good percents people probably don't. Really is that the 739 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: gender opposite term. The gender opposite term for stag is 740 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: hind same way bull cow buck, dough. Yeah, it's hind 741 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: with a d boor sal stag. Hind our Buck already 742 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: said that you can always tell new Seeka hunters because 743 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: they call him sitka deer and they call him hinds 744 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: h I n e s behind, which they're not. They're 745 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: hinds with a D. And the stagg and hind thing 746 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: probably came from British culture. Yeah, yeah, because they've been 747 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: introduced there as well. Okay, rip out of rip out 748 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: of hind call The similarities between these sons of bitches 749 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 1: and um elk Antler structure kind of the the the 750 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: main on the stag, the breeding behavior, their demeanor, demeanor 751 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: when they stand out there, they look I mean impressive, 752 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: the buglan, the cow calling, all the crazy vocalizations, the 753 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: fact that they come to the calls verty olk like 754 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: very fun. Nothing like hunting milk with their elk like 755 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: little critters. The stags got little ivories like bull elk. 756 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: You checking out little tiny things. You don't want to 757 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: get on the ground with these things. You're honest And 758 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: I found out you're honest. Knew you. Let me find 759 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: out for myself. Are you in the marsh because they'll 760 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: charge you you get too close or they'll just vanish. 761 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: You just can't see the things. Yeah, like three and 762 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: a half feet tall. What is the hind? What is 763 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: the hindway? The average probably dresses at pounds somewhere there. 764 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: You might get a monster behind the dresses sixty less 765 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: than a bull elks hind quarter. She weighs less than 766 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: a Yeah, definitely weighs less than the bull elks hind quarter. Stags, 767 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 1: she weighs less in the bullouks hind quarter. I've seen 768 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: stags as biggest one ten one fifteen dress come in 769 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: through the check station at Blackwater when I used to 770 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: work down there. But it uh, it's the average is 771 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: generally eight five maybe ninety pounds for a mature stag. 772 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: It's a true monster that HiT's plus one. Yeah, Dinky, Well, 773 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: you know what, man, you want to talking about you 774 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 1: having a good segue. You want to talk about a 775 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,479 Speaker 1: real bad segue? Is this? I forgot to talk about 776 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: the blue crab in real quick, right, And the reason 777 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the blue crab real quick 778 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: because that we talked about it before we did it, 779 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: before we hunted deer. Right, So fact check me on this, 780 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: don't have you fact check me on some on some 781 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: other stuff about Sika deer. But if you're a resident here, 782 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,240 Speaker 1: you can go out and get a license, a separate 783 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: license to run a blue crab trot line. Correct, Yep, 784 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: it's called a recreational crabbing license, and what allows you 785 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: to do is take a twelve allows you to run 786 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: a twelve hundred foot trot line. There's no hooks. It's 787 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: like this twet of line and you just tie a 788 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: little slip knot loops all along it and put in 789 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: two two and a half inches of chicken neck in 790 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: each loop. So you have this twelve hundred foot thing 791 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,280 Speaker 1: right the length of four football fields, and every five 792 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: ft is a two inch chunk of chicken neck tied 793 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,479 Speaker 1: onto the line. And you go out to a likely 794 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: spot and we went out to a submerged creek channel, 795 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: so the surrounding stuffs like one or two ft deep, 796 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: but then there's this the submerged creek channel that's six 797 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: ft deep, and on one end of the twelve hund 798 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: foot line. You gotta weight like an anchor and coming 799 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: up as a booty to mark the anchor. And so 800 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: you set it. You set the anchor, and then you 801 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: lay out this feet of chicken necks and pull the 802 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: line tight and set that anchor, and you wait a 803 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: coult minutes and go down to the other end where 804 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: you began setting, and you grab the line that has 805 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: the chicken necks on it, and the boat has you 806 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: just like hook a little arm out on the side 807 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: of your boat. So just imagine, like imagine that you 808 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: hung your arm out over the gun of the boat, 809 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: and you drape the trot line up over your arm 810 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: and then slowly motor along so that it's anchored on 811 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: each end, but you're lifting apart up up to the 812 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: water surface and just cruising along. Can I ask you 813 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: a question? So there's no silk time. It's like, by 814 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: the time you get the line laid out, your turn, 815 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 1: don't let it, so it's time to check it. The 816 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: minute you get laid out, let's go back to where 817 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,839 Speaker 1: you started. Drape it up over the arm, and then 818 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: motor that ft and you're going along slowly. It's just 819 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: raising it up, and the chicken necks are coming up, 820 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: going don't, don't, don't over your arm, and the blue 821 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: crabs hang on so tenaciously that they're gonna hang onto 822 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: that chicken neck. Most of them hang onto that chicken neck, 823 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: and they're gonna hang onto it until they get to 824 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: the air the last second. Yea, if it's sunny out, 825 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: they're more likely to drop off. On a cloudy day, 826 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: they're more likely to hang on. So you got your 827 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: guy driving the boat, and then you got your guy 828 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 1: with a wire mesh net, the same kind of wire 829 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: mesh you used for smelt dipping, where you can really 830 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: grease it through the water quick. There's no drag, you know. 831 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: It's like chicken wire basket on a net on the net, 832 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: and you stay in there and as you see the 833 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: crabs rise up, you get your net down and you 834 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: get the line because the crabs hanging off the bait, 835 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: so your your net needs to come in and kind 836 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: of grab the line at the top of the net, 837 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: and then you basically use the net to knock the 838 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,760 Speaker 1: crab off the line into the net, and you whip 839 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: them up and put them into a bushel basket. And 840 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: it took us seven passes one, two, five, six, seven, 841 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: like no wait time, just down, back, down, back, down back. 842 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: It took us seven passes to fill up a bushel 843 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: basket with blue crabs. How many a bushel do you think? 844 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: It varies a lot many. And they say because this 845 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: is big blue crab country and there's a commercial industry 846 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: and everything for blue crabs that there's like it's a 847 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,240 Speaker 1: unit of measure so bag limit is volume bag limit. 848 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: It's like shrimp right in Alaska. Volume bag limit, not 849 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: number bag limit. And it could be it could vary greatly, 850 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: but it should be that. I think if you have 851 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: a bushel basket there's forty pounds, I think it needs 852 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: to be right at least forty pounds are in that 853 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 1: bushel basket something like. They're not entirely sure there's a 854 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: weight component. It's a volume thing. But industry standard is that. 855 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: My understanding is the industry standard is it should include 856 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: it should include a certain weight and alive route luke 857 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: crab eyed guests would weigh half a pound, right something 858 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, yeah, probably. So there's over a hundred 859 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: of them. And and the thing about these blue crabs 860 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: are as, it was explained to me that they're like 861 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,480 Speaker 1: the population demographics flucture fluctuate a lot according to salinity. 862 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: So there are areas you can go they have far 863 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: fewer blue crabs but tend to be bigger, and there's 864 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: areas you can go that have hordes of them that 865 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: tend to be dinks. And the guy we were with 866 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: was explained that this is a salinity level and location. 867 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: He feels kind of hits that sweet spot between good 868 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: size and abundance. Yeah. In North Carolina, when we go 869 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: down to Jennifer's families camp on Topslow Island, that camp 870 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: is a lot closer to the inlets, higher salinity, and 871 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: we've feel like we get bigger blue crabs, and the 872 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: once we get her parents house, which is farther away 873 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: from the chew inlets, big mambo jombos. Another thing I 874 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: learned is that soft shell crab like during the summer, 875 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: like blue crabs, grow fast, and during the summer, they 876 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,320 Speaker 1: mold every month. I don't know if every crab molts 877 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: every month or if they have to hit like a 878 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,399 Speaker 1: certain size, but there's always like an age class that's molting. Yeah, 879 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: And females have a terminal mold. Females will do at 880 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: some point they stop molding and the male will continue 881 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: to mold. Correct. When you see soft shell crabs on 882 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 1: a menu. And here's the part that I didn't realize. 883 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,839 Speaker 1: When you see soft shell crabs on the menu, it's 884 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: not that the dude's out crabbing and catches a soft 885 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: shell and throws him in a separate bucket. You take 886 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:59,399 Speaker 1: crabs and retain them and keep checking them. What they're 887 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: looking for is peelers, crabs that have started the process. 888 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 1: You can tell there's a different coloration in the backfin. 889 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 1: So you can hold that up to the light and 890 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: you can see this little sort of pinkish ring, and 891 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 1: that's a peeler. That's a crab that's approaching the mall. 892 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: And they'll take those and they'll put them in these 893 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 1: shedding houses and they'll keep them in these big troughs 894 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,399 Speaker 1: with with sort of flowing water going over and they'll 895 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: check them hourly um through the night because it usually 896 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,879 Speaker 1: takes place at night, and usually the vast majority molt 897 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 1: during the full moon, and so it's an all night thing. 898 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: They're checking them all night long. And as soon as 899 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: they they yeah, as soon as they shed out, they 900 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: get them out of the water. You have to get 901 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: them out of the water immediately, because as soon as 902 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: they shed what they do is they puff up with 903 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,360 Speaker 1: water to expand that new shell and it gets bigger 904 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,880 Speaker 1: than their current body size. And then they grow into 905 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: that so very quickly that uh, that softest baby's bottomed 906 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 1: skin crab we'll turn into what they call a paper crab, 907 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 1: where it gets kind of crinkly it's still softish, but 908 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of crinkly. And we had one of those yet, 909 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: one of those, like the the top of it was 910 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,879 Speaker 1: when they fried, it was like lifted off the Yeah. 911 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,319 Speaker 1: So when they're pulling them out of traps, are off 912 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: of a trot line, are they looking at him and saying, pop, peeler, 913 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,839 Speaker 1: regular crab, regular crab, crab peeler. So they're like, well, 914 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: I think they might be doing some sorting. So most 915 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: of the commercial guys are not doing They're not handling 916 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: each crab individually like Steve Bois. Within that they're they's 917 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,879 Speaker 1: got a like a big basket that that line runs 918 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: up through and then but someone, at some point, someone's 919 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: got a Yeah, and if you know what you're looking for, 920 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: it's it's plain as day. I've always had a little 921 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 1: bit of trouble trying to figure out what it's the 922 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: difference between a peeler and a regular hard shell crab. 923 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 1: Guy can't retain females, and on a dungey, I have 924 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: to look at the bottom carapists to tell a male 925 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: from a female. But on these the females have red 926 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,359 Speaker 1: claw tips. Yeah, and I don't want a gender stereotype. 927 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: But people say, you see that red thing, and as 928 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: females have their nail polish on, and I'd get so 929 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: good and my little John, I learned not to even 930 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: net those ones and just just to kind of brush 931 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: them off the line and let them go. But the 932 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 1: commercial guys are allowed to keep its interesting. Um, you 933 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,920 Speaker 1: can keep them in North Carolina, but we choose not 934 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: to because you guys are conservation is thinking that they're 935 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: going to make more. Yeah, that's another good thing to 936 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: bring up. A male crab is a jimmy and a 937 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,399 Speaker 1: female as a what a sock double? Okay, isn't there 938 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: multiple kinds of sucks? There's uh, what do they call him? 939 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: A sally? As an immature? That's right, so they have 940 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,840 Speaker 1: more of a triangular shaped apron, and once they hit maturity, 941 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:03,880 Speaker 1: the soock has a big sort of rounded apron. It 942 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: was good to learn about the molding thing because that 943 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: was the thing I've always curious about when we trapped Dungeoness. 944 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: Crabs is now and then you get one who's still 945 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: got a soft ast shell, not like he's on the 946 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: way out, but it's his new shell. And we'll throw 947 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 1: those back because you open them and there's like no 948 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: meat in there, right, And I now realize it's because 949 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: he just got a bigger shell that he hasn't filled 950 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: out yet. So now I've learned, instead of bringing home 951 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 1: and go open it up and it's full of like 952 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: watery emaciated stuff, we just ditch them. But I never 953 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: knew like quite what I was looking at, like why 954 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: it was that way he had like gotten himself. It's 955 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: like when you're buying shoes for your kid. You're like, 956 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna buy your shoes that fit dead on 957 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: nuts because you're gonna tomorrow they won't fit anyone and 958 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: make you struggle through the big ones for a few months. 959 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: Then you'll fit them and then move one. Okay, fact 960 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: check anything else on crabs. So we covered it pretty good, Oh, 961 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,240 Speaker 1: soft shell crabes. A way to clean it. You kind 962 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: of open it up and get the gills out, get 963 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 1: the guts out, put it kind of back together again, 964 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: and then fry it. Did you realize that, Colt, No, 965 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 1: I thought they just fried the whole thing. Cut the 966 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 1: face off, cut the apron off, and then you lift 967 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: the sex organs yep, lift up the points and you 968 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: clear those dead man's fingers. They call them the lungs 969 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 1: out on each side. Some people go as far as 970 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: to clean out the mustard and the guts and fatten 971 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 1: the like. I think it adds a particular place, So 972 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a big mustard guy personal. Okay. One one 973 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: question though, is uh, when they're harvesting these things out 974 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 1: of the mold house the sloughing house, Um, are they 975 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: just like throwing them in the freezer. Yeah, it depends 976 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: on what their market is. That they do freeze some 977 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 1: that some gets sold fresh, you know, right away to 978 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 1: local markets. But they just keep them out of the 979 00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 1: water to stop the molten. Yeah. I think they'll put 980 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: them on eye those crab balls. Yesterday that place had 981 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,240 Speaker 1: sawshells for sale. Yeah. Did you catch the price? Nope, 982 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,160 Speaker 1: don't ask. I'm jealous of the crab balls. Dude, crabballs. 983 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,800 Speaker 1: Good you by a half dozen or a dozen? Me 984 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,840 Speaker 1: and Steve Eats threw down on a half dozen, and 985 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: Steve said here has made it back to the house here, Yeah, Steve, no, 986 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: we ate him. Steve said hereabout and crab country. You 987 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 1: can't get away with pulling that long John Silver's bullshit 988 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 1: and putting in all the fillers. He says, a crab 989 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: ball is crab like people. People are intolerant of you 990 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 1: making like a little crab flavored hush puppies, and the 991 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 1: crab cakes like in the Rocky Mountain States are a 992 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: little lacking. You know a lot of times it's soft 993 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,440 Speaker 1: bread crumb, yeah, yeah, with a little nugget in there. No, 994 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 1: these crab balls are crab, not cutting it with kangaroo 995 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 1: or anything. They don't cut. They don't cut any they 996 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,880 Speaker 1: don't cut any room eating there, man Um Calum was 997 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 1: one other thing. I don't know if you you weren't 998 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,000 Speaker 1: out with us, you don't those crabs have two packers. 999 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Oh yep, yep, you knew that. Yeah, Keith like that. 1000 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Trevor Um pointed that one out kind of 1001 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: as a as a you know, don't you wish type 1002 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, it's a little bit disturbing. I don't 1003 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 1: wish that I had to at some level. It's like 1004 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: it's intriguing to me, and I considered it, but in 1005 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: the end no, because I feel that it would be 1006 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,320 Speaker 1: one of those things that you might view as being 1007 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 1: initially advantageous, only to find that it doesn't in fact, 1008 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: what in the world. But I tell tell the Matthews 1009 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: story because I think that pertains to this very well. Yeah, 1010 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: so well, like I feel that it would be one 1011 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: of those things that you might initially think was a 1012 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 1: great advantage. But there's a thing called sexual selection in 1013 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: this world where there are like attributes, like people think. 1014 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: Give you an example, people think the antlers, Okay, the 1015 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: antlers on the elk are are not like driven by 1016 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: like natural selection of like competitive advantage, but are a 1017 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 1: thing of sexual selection. Meaning that a bull, let's say 1018 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,080 Speaker 1: a deer, puts on a huge set of antlers. It 1019 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: comes at a cost, right, because he needs to put 1020 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 1: nutrients into producing those antlers. It's extra weight he needs 1021 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: to carry around. Um, the the extra weight he's carry 1022 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: around these, he needs to take in more calories to 1023 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: tote it around. Um, he can't slick through the brushes nice. 1024 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 1: All these kind of things. But the sexual advantages that 1025 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: females view those antlers as a sign of fitness, and 1026 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: you might think, like, oh, he needs these big antlers 1027 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: to fight. But the more important component might be that 1028 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 1: a female associates good antler growth with health, and she 1029 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: wants to have sex with that buck Yeah, you'll hear 1030 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,440 Speaker 1: people say antlers are for fighting off wolves and things 1031 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,760 Speaker 1: like that, all to get the late it's a sexual display. 1032 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,480 Speaker 1: That's not Let me just my point. Please, if you 1033 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 1: don't mine, and then then I'm gonna open it up 1034 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: to you. But I haven't gotten to where I'm going 1035 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: with this. Uh what was I saying? Oh yeah, Turkey 1036 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,360 Speaker 1: on a strutting Tom, it's all sexual display. He doesn't 1037 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,480 Speaker 1: like advantage to him to do. That's just he's gonna 1038 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 1: luring ladies. It comes at a cost, point being you 1039 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 1: might think that having dual peckers is like awesome, but 1040 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,400 Speaker 1: it could be that that is not a good sexual 1041 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,080 Speaker 1: display and in fact pushes possible mates away, like they 1042 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: just can't get on board with it. Having one cause 1043 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,040 Speaker 1: is enough problems. Yeah, go ahead, I'm hoping the floor 1044 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,240 Speaker 1: up to be honest. Now, that's all I just wanted 1045 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: to arrive at that point. Oh, I'm just saying that 1046 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,240 Speaker 1: the antlers aren't we There was just that paper that 1047 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 1: was published. I thought we all passed around about the 1048 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: how they're talking about the antlers on the Boilk and 1049 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Yellowstone and that having those big antlers came at a 1050 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,360 Speaker 1: cost because it took more energy to produce such a 1051 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,320 Speaker 1: big anlers, so it might have produced it might have 1052 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,080 Speaker 1: brought in more ladies, but the bigger antlers weren't, to say, 1053 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,360 Speaker 1: better in defending themselves from the wolves. So there there's 1054 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: actually some what's that called like nature deciding which way 1055 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna go, selection towards smaller antlers because it didn't 1056 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: cost so much energy. It made them better, more agile 1057 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,920 Speaker 1: to fight off the wolves. Yeah, but you agree that 1058 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,800 Speaker 1: people think dear have antlers just for fighting, and they 1059 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,439 Speaker 1: don't often realize that there's things in the animal world 1060 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,120 Speaker 1: about sexual display and definitely things in the human world 1061 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,440 Speaker 1: about sexual display. Yeah, it's probably, but I wonder too 1062 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,480 Speaker 1: about what do we really know the thought process that 1063 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,240 Speaker 1: a female deer is going through well, and she decides 1064 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 1: to who she's gonna allow to breed her, because you know, 1065 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,520 Speaker 1: you hear all the time about while the herd bulls 1066 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,840 Speaker 1: off to his hair um, all the satellite bulls are 1067 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,760 Speaker 1: kind of slipping in and breeding cows behind them. So 1068 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,360 Speaker 1: if they're allowing that to happen, they kind of blows 1069 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,880 Speaker 1: that whole theory. And QD m Aid not a whack 1070 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:15,520 Speaker 1: just released a study last year that says almost the 1071 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: same thing, where it's like, if that for good horn 1072 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,520 Speaker 1: is at the right place at the right time, it 1073 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 1: will absolutely breathe that though she will allow it, yeah, 1074 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,000 Speaker 1: just because it's it's a timing thing. But to jump 1075 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,840 Speaker 1: back to the two pecker thing, right, So, when you're 1076 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 1: busting up these crabs, you ripped like for um uh yanni. 1077 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,800 Speaker 1: You were saying that a lot of times, you guys, 1078 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,920 Speaker 1: you guys will pre clean and then steam. Um. So 1079 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: you ripped the carapace off and you you're looking at 1080 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:53,680 Speaker 1: a ideally a perfectly symmetrical animal right there, right, So 1081 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,400 Speaker 1: you got a knuckle consisting of how many legs five 1082 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 1: legs on the side, and so is the female set 1083 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,360 Speaker 1: up the exact same way where there's a reproductive organ 1084 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,439 Speaker 1: on each side. Oh that's a good question. I don't 1085 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 1: know if she's symmetrical in her reproductive organs. Yeah, because 1086 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: that makes sense, right, Yeah, I just just had that 1087 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: thought when we were checking out the two packers. I 1088 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,160 Speaker 1: can't answer that if they have dual like what their 1089 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,400 Speaker 1: ovary structure is and whatnot, and if they have what 1090 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,680 Speaker 1: their cloaca or event is that they have two or 1091 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: one side. I think no expert on blue crabs. But 1092 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 1: a female that's bread they call her sponge crab, and 1093 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 1: she houses, she releases all those eggs onto these little 1094 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: filaments under her apron, and her apron will sort of 1095 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,520 Speaker 1: bulge out and there will be this cloud of eggs. 1096 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's that the fertilization is external. I 1097 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 1: don't think they're like breeding there. I think the males 1098 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,080 Speaker 1: are inserting their pin I into that cloud of eggs, 1099 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: and just like fishif that's how my kid found out 1100 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 1: about uh, human love making because we're looking at we're 1101 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: cleaning perch, and we're looking over cleaning salmon, and I'm 1102 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,600 Speaker 1: showing them the eggs and the sperm, and I'm explaining 1103 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 1: how the female lets the eggs out in the in 1104 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,160 Speaker 1: the red and the male puts his seed in there 1105 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,680 Speaker 1: and fertilized the eggs and it happens externally. And he 1106 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 1: got to wondering, since a mommy person has the baby 1107 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,720 Speaker 1: inside of her, how in the world do you deliver 1108 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,920 Speaker 1: the sperm? And he later was explaining to his nanny. 1109 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,240 Speaker 1: We overheard him saying, and my mommy did that three times? 1110 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:51,360 Speaker 1: Um uh yeah, can you zap us with the Mark 1111 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Twain quote. Now, yeah, well I got a bunch of them. 1112 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Here's what your favorite. The one I always remember and 1113 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: just so I can get it just right that I like. 1114 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: And I try to uh most to come back to you. No, 1115 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,880 Speaker 1: and uh I try to do this myself, not so 1116 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,520 Speaker 1: much that I want like you to abide by this quote, 1117 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,960 Speaker 1: but I try to keep it in my mind. But 1118 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,200 Speaker 1: it's out. It is better to keep your mouth closed 1119 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,240 Speaker 1: and let people think you are a fool than to 1120 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: open it and remove all doubts. Another one. Whenever you 1121 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,040 Speaker 1: find yourself on the side of majority, it is time 1122 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 1: to pause and reflect. Here's another one. It is not 1123 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,320 Speaker 1: the size of the dog in the fight. It's the 1124 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,280 Speaker 1: fighting the dog. Can't depend on your eyes when your 1125 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 1: imagination is out of focus. Well, that's a good hunting one. Actually, 1126 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 1: it is a good one. Courage is resistance to fear, 1127 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:55,600 Speaker 1: mastery of fear, not absence of fear. Mark Twain, I 1128 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: think that cannot depend on your eyes when you're imagine 1129 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,080 Speaker 1: ation is out of focus may relate to your bow 1130 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,959 Speaker 1: hunting conundrum, and it relates to anyone who ever thinks 1131 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,720 Speaker 1: they saw a bigfoot. Fact check me on this dave 1132 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:15,200 Speaker 1: back to seekadeer the way Maryland manages seek a deer 1133 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,559 Speaker 1: and all, dear, I think, is this that you have 1134 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:26,000 Speaker 1: bag limits that relate to the weapon restriction. I'm not 1135 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,000 Speaker 1: saying that very well that you have. The state recognizes 1136 01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:36,519 Speaker 1: three weapons distinctions correct archery, which includes cross bowls, correct 1137 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:43,880 Speaker 1: mosle loader, and general firearm general firearms. Some counties are 1138 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,439 Speaker 1: shotgun only, some allow centerfire rifles. You're in an area 1139 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 1: that allows centerfire rifles, so you're allowed three Sika deer 1140 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 1: per weapon. Right. Each season has its own bag limit 1141 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,519 Speaker 1: two or a total of three normal more than one 1142 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 1: stag correct, so you could shoot three highs or one 1143 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: stagging two higns. And we came down for the final 1144 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:14,080 Speaker 1: days of the archery season Early archery, Final days of 1145 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,040 Speaker 1: early archery, and gave it are all for three days. 1146 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I was the only one that loosed an arrow ineffectively, 1147 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,840 Speaker 1: but I loosed the narrow um And you guys are 1148 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 1: trying to hunt with traditionally. I kind of like take 1149 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 1: offense that calling it traditional archery because it's like a 1150 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: really like non traditional elements that like what do you 1151 01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,160 Speaker 1: guys call it? Bow would not be because carbon like 1152 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: a carbon fiber long bow. Yeah, there's carbon fiber sandwiched 1153 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,559 Speaker 1: in between real wood and carbon fiber and carbon fiber arrows. 1154 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,400 Speaker 1: Nothing real traditional about it. Yeah, but it's like it's 1155 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,400 Speaker 1: like modern longbow and you have a modern No, you 1156 01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,840 Speaker 1: kind of an old timey recurve bowl. It's modern. I mean, 1157 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:05,599 Speaker 1: it's got fiberglass. It's a bear production bow, so from 1158 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,760 Speaker 1: the olden days. Though, if it's a vintage bow, I 1159 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,320 Speaker 1: think that bos probably hearkens back to the old times 1160 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,559 Speaker 1: for a long time, and back then you didn't buy 1161 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,840 Speaker 1: a new bow every year. He's had the same damn 1162 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,720 Speaker 1: bow for forever until compounds came. I shoot him till 1163 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,479 Speaker 1: they break. Did I get anyone? Yeah? Oddly enough, you 1164 01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: do not eat a new bow every year. I once 1165 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:31,719 Speaker 1: heard a gay explaining to a first time I want 1166 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,040 Speaker 1: want to be first time archer that if you call 1167 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:40,000 Speaker 1: yourself a serious bow hunter, you buy a brand new 1168 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,799 Speaker 1: bow every year. And I talked to myself, My God, 1169 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the power of marketing. I'll talk quickly. I'm gonna touch 1170 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,040 Speaker 1: on my closest close encounter with my boat, and I 1171 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,599 Speaker 1: like you guys to quickly touching your closest close encounter 1172 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,960 Speaker 1: my closest close encounter. I see one of these little 1173 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,920 Speaker 1: seka deer come through, coming across the open marsh. There's 1174 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,639 Speaker 1: a lot of like stuff here that's just impenetrable ten 1175 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:10,840 Speaker 1: ft high frag mighty's grass, and there's like some areas 1176 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,479 Speaker 1: that are other kinds of impenetrable lower plants. Then you 1177 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,320 Speaker 1: get lucky now and then here and there, and it's 1178 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,320 Speaker 1: just like an ankle high marsh. And then you can 1179 01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 1: see what the hell is going on. And I see 1180 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:24,120 Speaker 1: this lone stag crossing a big stretch of ankle high marsh, 1181 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,559 Speaker 1: and his line of travel is gonna like bring him 1182 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,360 Speaker 1: to where his closest point would be like a hundred 1183 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:33,720 Speaker 1: and fifty yards. I decided to call at it and 1184 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,120 Speaker 1: use what like Steve had called in one this is 1185 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,479 Speaker 1: gonna be I'm gonna steal part of your storage you 1186 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,599 Speaker 1: had called in one I think it was the day before, 1187 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:47,559 Speaker 1: using a combination of hind the calls in a stag bugle. 1188 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,760 Speaker 1: So I zapped him with the ken drop combo, which 1189 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,559 Speaker 1: we'll call it. And he's sure enough to just much 1190 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,040 Speaker 1: to my surprise, turns and starts heading in my direction 1191 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,479 Speaker 1: and then vanishes into the frag Mighty's and I'm like 1192 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,400 Speaker 1: sitting there wondering. I'm standing up ready, and you have 1193 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,360 Speaker 1: no idea what's going on because you can't see anything. 1194 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 1: And then you hear like the water his feet coming 1195 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,200 Speaker 1: through the marsh, and all of a sudden, he pops 1196 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,600 Speaker 1: out in the one and the worst possible area to 1197 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,160 Speaker 1: pop out, where it's just all these little dead pine trees, 1198 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:24,559 Speaker 1: like a little dead lob lollies. Yeah, yeah, probably like 1199 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,360 Speaker 1: a bigger round like thick as your thigh, a bunch 1200 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,599 Speaker 1: of dead ones. And he just comes right out in there, 1201 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: and he's like, there's no possible shot opportunity. Already got 1202 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,080 Speaker 1: my bow back, and he's like his rib cage is 1203 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 1: blocked by trees. Rib cage is blocked by a tree, 1204 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 1: His rib cage is blocked by a bush. And I'm thinking, man, 1205 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,640 Speaker 1: this is never gonna happen. I can't hold my bow 1206 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,200 Speaker 1: bag forever. And he's just gonna pass underneath me and 1207 01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,000 Speaker 1: be gone. And all of a sudden, here like stops 1208 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,120 Speaker 1: in the opening and there's his rib cage exposed the 1209 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,080 Speaker 1: eighteen yards and I'd like I had fallen out of 1210 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,200 Speaker 1: my like what you need to do to make this happen, 1211 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: and I had fallen into my I can't believe this 1212 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: is happening, Like I can't believe this isn't gonna work out, 1213 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,080 Speaker 1: And and in there forgot about the part about aiming 1214 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,760 Speaker 1: and everything and just sail it over, not sail it over, 1215 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,479 Speaker 1: slip it over his back. You aimed where you were, 1216 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 1: where you're thinking, until you stopped being stopped thinking. And 1217 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,200 Speaker 1: I had a tree. I had ranged a bunch of trees, 1218 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,639 Speaker 1: and I had I had my like thirty yard tree, 1219 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,880 Speaker 1: and he popped out at the thirty yard tree, and 1220 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,479 Speaker 1: in my head was like the thirty yard pin. And 1221 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,559 Speaker 1: I'm analyzed and I'm running processing so many other little 1222 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,519 Speaker 1: bits of information during this time. I never adjust. So 1223 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm already a little high because he's now eighteen yards 1224 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,880 Speaker 1: and I got my I'm still looking at my thirty 1225 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,439 Speaker 1: yard red pin. And then the other thing is in reviewing, 1226 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,639 Speaker 1: like I have the great luxury being able to review 1227 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,080 Speaker 1: footage and to see what happened. And ridge ponder was 1228 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,639 Speaker 1: on the deer and you can go frame to frame, 1229 01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,400 Speaker 1: and there's a frame where you can you catch the 1230 01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,599 Speaker 1: fletching of the arrow crossing the tree trunk, and that 1231 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,760 Speaker 1: deer is already dropped four or five inches in the arrow. 1232 01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,120 Speaker 1: He's not ducking well. I mean, you know what I'm saying, 1233 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,520 Speaker 1: reacting to the sound. He's loading up to spring away. 1234 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 1: So when people say he ducked the arrow, he's not 1235 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:16,479 Speaker 1: like arrow coming, he's loading up to go. If you 1236 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,280 Speaker 1: watch a deer takeoff and slow motion, they go down down, 1237 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,599 Speaker 1: and then they're like, he's already doing his Like I'm 1238 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,639 Speaker 1: getting out of town, and cal brought up A good 1239 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 1: point is like, and this is something you'll never know. 1240 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:36,280 Speaker 1: If I hadn't Stagg called, and I had just Hind called, 1241 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,920 Speaker 1: would he have come in with a different attitude and 1242 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,599 Speaker 1: not so high strung? And I don't know. I don't 1243 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,080 Speaker 1: know either, but from a lot of time in the 1244 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Elk Woods, I would say yes. It would be like 1245 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,240 Speaker 1: if let's see youre walking, had he even turned, he 1246 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,760 Speaker 1: might not have come in at all. He may not 1247 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,720 Speaker 1: have come in at all. Let's say you're walking on 1248 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,479 Speaker 1: the road and you hear someone scream out. A woman 1249 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,559 Speaker 1: scream out hell, hell, okay, you're coming in with one 1250 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,760 Speaker 1: attitude and she says, help, help, there's a madman with 1251 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,000 Speaker 1: a gun in here. You're coming in with a different attitude. 1252 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,679 Speaker 1: Still coming, Well, yeah, some people wouldn't, but you're still coming. 1253 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,840 Speaker 1: You're just coming in with a different attitude. So for 1254 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 1: me being like me, me and me right right, He's like, man, 1255 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm coming, but I got my head on the flat. 1256 01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm coming in hot, I'm coming in nervous, so I 1257 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,320 Speaker 1: don't know, just missed them, you know, miss them. And 1258 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,360 Speaker 1: then all the like trouble, just the mental problems, which 1259 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm still struggling with. I'm more made up for it, 1260 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,599 Speaker 1: I'll point out later, but um uh yeah, it's really 1261 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,960 Speaker 1: like difficult. Man. You practice and practice and practice, but 1262 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,280 Speaker 1: it's hard to um when you're practicing. It's like it's 1263 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,800 Speaker 1: just as different than the things that happen in real life. 1264 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,679 Speaker 1: Things happen in real life, all these other things enter in. Yeah, 1265 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,120 Speaker 1: that's there's no no substitute for experience in the wood. 1266 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:05,760 Speaker 1: And it's almost like you need to go out new yard. 1267 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,680 Speaker 1: When you're new yard shooting your bowl at targets, you 1268 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,880 Speaker 1: almost need to have to hire people just to come 1269 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,600 Speaker 1: and do weird stuff. Yeah, like I'm gonna shoot my 1270 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,640 Speaker 1: bowl and at some point during the suiting session, I 1271 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,280 Speaker 1: want you to sneak up and slap me with a 1272 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 1: stick and learn how to shoot, knowing that in any minute, 1273 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: southing like like to learn how to shoot, knowing that 1274 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,800 Speaker 1: there's unexpected things, like when you're shooting in the yard, 1275 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,840 Speaker 1: you're like, you range it, it's not you know, you can't. 1276 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to replicate. You could even replicate a target 1277 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 1: that keeps moving behind stuff somehow. Like when we were 1278 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,519 Speaker 1: little kids, we strung the wirire between two trees and 1279 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 1: would hang rabbit targets on loops that you'd mount to 1280 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,479 Speaker 1: the wire, and then one guy's job was to stand 1281 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,360 Speaker 1: off to the side and pull the rope real fast. 1282 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,559 Speaker 1: And so we would stand on our porch and shoot 1283 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,439 Speaker 1: long bowls and re curves and everything else at the 1284 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,400 Speaker 1: rabbit as it zinged across the yard. But you got 1285 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,040 Speaker 1: to know that trajectory, and it wasn't you weren't nervous, 1286 01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,479 Speaker 1: you weren't lustful for the rabbit. Yeah you gotta. Then 1287 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,920 Speaker 1: you got a factor in the lustfulness how badly you 1288 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,200 Speaker 1: want to damn dear. But see, it takes me a 1289 01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,519 Speaker 1: few days of frustration to build up that lustfulness, to 1290 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,840 Speaker 1: have that desire to complete the job. When I heard 1291 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 1: his footsteps coming through the water. I wasn't at all 1292 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,679 Speaker 1: jacked up. I wasn't jacked up. A matter of fact, 1293 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,200 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I'm so like nonchalant right now. 1294 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna kill this thing. Was my first thought. 1295 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,360 Speaker 1: And I had my mantra in my visions of grandeur. 1296 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 1: Not like that. Not cockiness. That sounded pretty cocky. No, 1297 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:40,080 Speaker 1: I was aware of my mantra, my shooting mantra. I 1298 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,240 Speaker 1: was like, you have your shooting mantra. This is not 1299 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,040 Speaker 1: a big deal. He's coming, You're gonna get him. And 1300 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,000 Speaker 1: then he popped out, and I'm like, why did you 1301 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,960 Speaker 1: have to pop out there? And then everything fell a partner. 1302 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,120 Speaker 1: I lost track of my mantra, but you still wanted 1303 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,880 Speaker 1: him real bad. I wanted him bad. Mark kenyon Um 1304 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:01,840 Speaker 1: was just introducing me to his mantra, which he um 1305 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,000 Speaker 1: he does his mantra every time he shoots his bow. 1306 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a hunting mantra. He has a shooting mantra, 1307 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,920 Speaker 1: which he will not shoot an arrow without doing the 1308 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,320 Speaker 1: mantra because he's building it into his shot cycle that 1309 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,439 Speaker 1: he verbalizes every part of it every time. It cannot 1310 01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,960 Speaker 1: shoot without verbalizing it you can't have, Like, I gotta 1311 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,760 Speaker 1: switch because my current system is my hunting mantra, which 1312 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't do every time I shoot my boat. He's like, 1313 01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,799 Speaker 1: I want to get my head to where I cannot 1314 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:38,559 Speaker 1: shoot that bow without completing my thing, almost like reverse 1315 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,479 Speaker 1: target panic. He can't let the arrow go until you've 1316 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,680 Speaker 1: accomplished those step wise progressions. His thing is like I 1317 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,639 Speaker 1: don't remember the exact words. His thing is basically like hover, 1318 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,360 Speaker 1: like hover the pen. Then there's like this sort of 1319 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,960 Speaker 1: thing like you're on it, and then there's this thing 1320 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,960 Speaker 1: here we go. And every time he shoots his bow 1321 01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,880 Speaker 1: he does it to train himself. And here we go 1322 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,320 Speaker 1: is that he begins tightening his shoulder blades. And if 1323 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,599 Speaker 1: you get a snapshot window and you don't have time 1324 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,280 Speaker 1: to get through it, you don't take the shot. You 1325 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,599 Speaker 1: don't let's go. Let the year o go because there's 1326 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:25,679 Speaker 1: your opportunity. A shout at that very highly regarded pistol 1327 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:30,400 Speaker 1: instructor one day and his mantra is slack out and 1328 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,000 Speaker 1: he takes the slack out of the trigger site. He 1329 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,760 Speaker 1: needs to get a trigger job done on his gun. 1330 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,080 Speaker 1: Squeeze this you can't talk to this guy about anything 1331 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,120 Speaker 1: because he's like shooting rocks out of the air and stuff. 1332 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,479 Speaker 1: He uh, he swears, and he's like by my man 1333 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,760 Speaker 1: type of shooter, and he swears that he's going through 1334 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,200 Speaker 1: his head every single time his finger engages that trigger. 1335 01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,639 Speaker 1: Slack out, site squeeze, slack out slit site squee Yeah, 1336 01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing it, man, I'm doing I'm I'm taking like 1337 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: I talked. I was on the phone Mark Kenny for 1338 01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: a long time talk about this, and I'm gonna start. 1339 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Let me start trying to do it. Was it here 1340 01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,960 Speaker 1: late at night after you missed that buck, midday after 1341 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,320 Speaker 1: I missed the buck? I think the next day, Wow, 1342 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Man, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna change. Well, 1343 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,040 Speaker 1: you need to embrace the fact that archery is a 1344 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,760 Speaker 1: fun thing that allows you to start hunting earlier. It 1345 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,000 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be the love of your life. But 1346 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:33,120 Speaker 1: like for me, when muzzleloader season came around here and 1347 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,639 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I do not like the fact 1348 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,920 Speaker 1: that I did not finish the job with the bow. Yeah, 1349 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:48,240 Speaker 1: but I'm willing to pick up a muzzleloader because at 1350 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,479 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I want to take this 1351 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,400 Speaker 1: meat home because it's awesome. Yeah, you got your weapon goal, 1352 01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,439 Speaker 1: and you got your trip goal, trip goal, bring some 1353 01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:00,960 Speaker 1: meat home. Because I was relieved that Steve managed to 1354 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,400 Speaker 1: do well so that I could borrow his muzzleloader for 1355 01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,280 Speaker 1: a short time. Not that I did anything with it, 1356 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,920 Speaker 1: but just had it. But you know, extend the range, 1357 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,519 Speaker 1: and just so much can go wrong when you're bow hunting, 1358 01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,120 Speaker 1: and no matter how big a stag is that I 1359 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,200 Speaker 1: might shoot with a rifle or a muzzleloader, there's always 1360 01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,280 Speaker 1: this less sense of fulfillment that like, God, dang, I 1361 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,080 Speaker 1: would I wish I could have gotten that one with 1362 01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,719 Speaker 1: my bow, talking about the one you almost got, our netting, 1363 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,599 Speaker 1: you almost get it, talked about your clothes and connery 1364 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,679 Speaker 1: you have with your bowl. Yeah. So we were frankly 1365 01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,679 Speaker 1: just kind of scouting out a spot that I wanted 1366 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:42,120 Speaker 1: to see if it would it was ready for muzzleloader season, 1367 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,280 Speaker 1: and what kind of activity there was. So we we 1368 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,400 Speaker 1: popped out to this little island. Yeah, which is an island? 1369 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,559 Speaker 1: I like that though, the island of trees. So an 1370 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,040 Speaker 1: island of trees out in the marsh. Just you hear 1371 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:59,479 Speaker 1: about you, guys, It's called an island and so suspected 1372 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,519 Speaker 1: that there's some activity there. Uh. There's sort of two 1373 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,759 Speaker 1: little islands of trees, uh, one of which is mostly 1374 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:14,679 Speaker 1: dead Timber Island, Yeah, exactly. Um, And so I gave 1375 01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 1: a couple of calls. I think I had the stag call, 1376 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,200 Speaker 1: didn't I, Lauren? And then I had some cow calls. 1377 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,400 Speaker 1: And just within a couple of minutes of blowing the 1378 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,920 Speaker 1: stag call, uh, I see some movement. Uh. And we'd 1379 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,280 Speaker 1: already seen a couple does I think, hadn't we? There 1380 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:36,519 Speaker 1: was movement out there, and so here comes this stag 1381 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,760 Speaker 1: out of the brush on Eagle Island. It's just about 1382 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,559 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty yards away from us at that point, 1383 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,800 Speaker 1: and you're on the foot on the ground, on the 1384 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,840 Speaker 1: foot on the ground. Uh. Sort of hunkered up a 1385 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,960 Speaker 1: couple against a couple of dead trees, and I switched 1386 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,600 Speaker 1: to the cow call, and I just started doing a 1387 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,640 Speaker 1: couple of mused so he could sort of hone in 1388 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,080 Speaker 1: on us, and Uh, sure enough he started making his way, 1389 01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,519 Speaker 1: and he picked his way on a route of higher marsh. 1390 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,240 Speaker 1: And cat's always exciting to see them coming get him 1391 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,920 Speaker 1: closer and closer, and those antlers just sometimes it's all 1392 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,200 Speaker 1: you can see as the antlers sticking above the vegetation 1393 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,120 Speaker 1: here here and come in, and and boy, he keeps coming. 1394 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,720 Speaker 1: He's looking in our direction, and he keeps coming. And 1395 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:22,280 Speaker 1: I've had plenty of sort of aborted approaches to not 1396 01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,679 Speaker 1: get too excited until they hit that sort of fifty 1397 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,960 Speaker 1: yard line, and then all of a sudden it starts 1398 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,519 Speaker 1: feeling real, you know, And sure enough he keeps coming 1399 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,679 Speaker 1: in and coming in. He finally enters into the little 1400 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,640 Speaker 1: island of trees we're at, and he's amidst all the 1401 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:39,720 Speaker 1: dead timber, probably thirty forty yards away from us, and 1402 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,400 Speaker 1: then he begins this game of sort of zig zagging, 1403 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,760 Speaker 1: and I'm pinned up against these dead trees, and I, 1404 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: depending on which way he goes, I might have to 1405 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,600 Speaker 1: like get my arrow up and around one of the 1406 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,920 Speaker 1: trunks that I'm standing way too close to. And he's, 1407 01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, first the zigs left, on the zig's right, 1408 01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,240 Speaker 1: and back and forth, and finally he decides he's can 1409 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,600 Speaker 1: I commit to going into the sort of interior of 1410 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,400 Speaker 1: this little island of trees? And it just got way 1411 01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,320 Speaker 1: too brushy. But I think at one point he was 1412 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,680 Speaker 1: he was within my comfort zone. Twenty yards or so. 1413 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,760 Speaker 1: I would have flung an arrow if he'd stepped clear, 1414 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,760 Speaker 1: for sure, But it just wasn't meant to be. And 1415 01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,439 Speaker 1: he got in there, he knew there was supposed to 1416 01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,599 Speaker 1: be a deer there. He's looking around. And when they 1417 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,679 Speaker 1: get there, once they make their mind up that okay, 1418 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,479 Speaker 1: there's not a deer here. There's no amount of calling 1419 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna bring them back, they just sort of turn 1420 01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,800 Speaker 1: around and go and and he marched off back to 1421 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,760 Speaker 1: Eagle Nest Island and and he was out of our lives. Yeah. 1422 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,599 Speaker 1: I called the one that came to forty three yards 1423 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,920 Speaker 1: and then stood there waving his nose in the air, 1424 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,200 Speaker 1: being like, I hear her, but she's just not here. Yeah, 1425 01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,160 Speaker 1: because if she was here, I would smell her, I 1426 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:56,080 Speaker 1: feel like, I think. But just too lazy to like 1427 01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,000 Speaker 1: lug something around out there and place it and what not. 1428 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,679 Speaker 1: Calling with a eco I think would be like really deadly. Yeah, 1429 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,599 Speaker 1: I got that. Yeah, I got a strong yes on that. 1430 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 1: For you'd be laying by some rolls. Yeah, it's a 1431 01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:14,160 Speaker 1: small decoy to hide behind, though, especially for me, I 1432 01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,360 Speaker 1: can't leave no one. Someone probably is onto that, but 1433 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,479 Speaker 1: I'm surprised no one's out of that if you're not. Yeah, 1434 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,360 Speaker 1: there's I actually have a decoy. It's, you know, made 1435 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,519 Speaker 1: of this plastic corrugated cardboard kind of stuff. It's cut 1436 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,839 Speaker 1: out of a spike and it folds up into three pieces. 1437 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,479 Speaker 1: But it's it's just another thing to carry out there. 1438 01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,000 Speaker 1: And I haven't been real motivated to to really test 1439 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,200 Speaker 1: it out, but I probably should try it one at 1440 01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,120 Speaker 1: these times. Well, we got a friend who thinks they're immoral. 1441 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:43,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, decoys in general, not duck decoys, turkey decoys. 1442 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,960 Speaker 1: What did he say? He says he doesn't want to 1443 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:51,360 Speaker 1: go to hell, so he won't use one. Well, a 1444 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,800 Speaker 1: friend of mine's wife thinks that it's immoral to use 1445 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,439 Speaker 1: trickery to lura animal into range. And people have been 1446 01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:07,400 Speaker 1: doing that time trickery, so calling would be out. The 1447 01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:13,960 Speaker 1: only archery opportunity I had. Um, it was the very 1448 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:19,880 Speaker 1: first morning. We were sitting over acorns on the ground. 1449 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,720 Speaker 1: We're in, Uh what type of tree were we in? 1450 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:30,240 Speaker 1: We're in an oak tree. Yanni think so Um and 1451 01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,679 Speaker 1: Janna sny are both look in one direction and then 1452 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:42,040 Speaker 1: y'all just goes, oh, cap the other side of the tree. Ah. 1453 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:50,600 Speaker 1: Two o'clock, there's dough, turned around and kill it. And 1454 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,280 Speaker 1: oh and I turned around and this dough that was 1455 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,519 Speaker 1: just like shockingly small to me and it was still 1456 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:03,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of gray light in my memory anyway. Um, 1457 01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,599 Speaker 1: and she's severely quartered away kind of through this gap 1458 01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,680 Speaker 1: and she was just there for a blink of an 1459 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,360 Speaker 1: eye and and gone. And that was the only did 1460 01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,080 Speaker 1: you get your bowl back? No, not even close. No, 1461 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:23,920 Speaker 1: I had narrow knocked just because I started out that way. Um, 1462 01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:29,040 Speaker 1: but that was it. However, if you know it's a new, 1463 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,680 Speaker 1: totally new species, you had a leg up on me 1464 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,840 Speaker 1: because you've been here once before. But had I, like 1465 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,439 Speaker 1: I feel if I had the knowledge just that I 1466 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,639 Speaker 1: gained in this one week at the beginning of the week, 1467 01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,519 Speaker 1: the archery game would have been a different story. Helpful 1468 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,120 Speaker 1: knowing what you now know. Yes, yeah, so I mean, 1469 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,360 Speaker 1: but I have absolutely no regrets from this trip. This 1470 01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:57,000 Speaker 1: was phenomenal. I had like similar my previous experience hunting 1471 01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,360 Speaker 1: here was very similar. I did two days, the last 1472 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,120 Speaker 1: two days of early archery, kind of got my feet 1473 01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,840 Speaker 1: wet and then UM came in with the mall's loader 1474 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,360 Speaker 1: and it just there's a certain cockiness to having that muzzleloader. 1475 01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:18,800 Speaker 1: Tell me about it. It's just different, man, it is. 1476 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,439 Speaker 1: It's just different. You made it more difficult with your 1477 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,160 Speaker 1: muzzleloader because you didn't bring a scope. That was Yeah, 1478 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:31,800 Speaker 1: that was not. Believe me. If I going forward, I 1479 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,760 Speaker 1: mean it didn't end up hurting you at all, I 1480 01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:39,120 Speaker 1: would I would have a uh I'm not sure if 1481 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,519 Speaker 1: i'd have scope, but I would definitely have different iron sights, 1482 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,559 Speaker 1: and I would have my own muzzleloader that I have 1483 01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:53,639 Speaker 1: got myself more familiar with, purely for uh shot placement. Yeah, 1484 01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:58,519 Speaker 1: in confidence. Yeah, man, Open Day muss loader season. I'm 1485 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,479 Speaker 1: right back in the same tree where I'd missed my shot. 1486 01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,760 Speaker 1: You mean Steve's Island. I'm in Steve's Island, Steve's tree 1487 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,320 Speaker 1: on Steve's Island, Ronella, Steve's tree on Ronelle Island. And 1488 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,320 Speaker 1: early morning I let a hind walk through because I 1489 01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,000 Speaker 1: was hoping here to be a stag behind her. There's 1490 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,040 Speaker 1: no stag behind her. Then a while later, here comes 1491 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,840 Speaker 1: the hind greasing across from the eagle's nest, headed straight 1492 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,000 Speaker 1: toward me. She gets like fifty yards in front of me. 1493 01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:30,240 Speaker 1: Oh yo, hey, and get her just lands right in 1494 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:34,479 Speaker 1: the trail stone dead. Then sit there singing along the 1495 01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,639 Speaker 1: wait now and step a stag shows up, and about 1496 01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,479 Speaker 1: eight nine minutes later, sure enough, here comes one knows 1497 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:44,839 Speaker 1: the ground following her down. He gets to the same spot. 1498 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:49,479 Speaker 1: I say hey, and he lands four ft off her tail, 1499 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:56,760 Speaker 1: still in the trail. There's two of them. Then you 1500 01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,880 Speaker 1: need to get out of my seat. It's amazing. There's 1501 01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,000 Speaker 1: a certain cockiness that comes the muscle. I will tell you, 1502 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:08,720 Speaker 1: standing or sitting in the in that tripod blind like 1503 01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,559 Speaker 1: totally man made blind, sticking out of the marsh, there 1504 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:21,400 Speaker 1: was a certain feeling of like laziness to it, just 1505 01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:26,200 Speaker 1: like I couldn't there's no like I just had this 1506 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,960 Speaker 1: like almost a feeling like sitting on the toilet, like 1507 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:33,000 Speaker 1: just like nah, And you're honest. And I were definitely 1508 01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,920 Speaker 1: crammed in there, you know, But then getting in the 1509 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,200 Speaker 1: climbing stand or just being in any of the other stands, 1510 01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:43,000 Speaker 1: I felt like I was way more of an active participant. 1511 01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,479 Speaker 1: You looked like compromised up in that thing. Yeah, And 1512 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,960 Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I feel I think I 1513 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,320 Speaker 1: told you. I was like, man, I feel like a 1514 01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,599 Speaker 1: sword dick sticking out here that spoke to me sticking 1515 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,880 Speaker 1: out like you had done the work of probably played 1516 01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,040 Speaker 1: the hard word. It took the place that stand. You 1517 01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,760 Speaker 1: have different feelings, sup climb up in some other dudes 1518 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:07,360 Speaker 1: tripod stand. It's the only thing out there, you know. 1519 01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,640 Speaker 1: It's it's a good view out there, though. It's a 1520 01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,479 Speaker 1: heck of a view. Yeah, no, it's a gorgeous a 1521 01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,599 Speaker 1: great way to learn about the critter man. We haven't 1522 01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:21,840 Speaker 1: even talked about the wide array of vocalizations. Unbelievable. The 1523 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,599 Speaker 1: first that I sat out because I have been sitting 1524 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,240 Speaker 1: in the woods where we can't see anything beyond archery range, 1525 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,160 Speaker 1: Like you're in the thickets, you know, and you're not 1526 01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,280 Speaker 1: seeing all the stuff that doesn't matter. Anything you see 1527 01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,200 Speaker 1: like matters right now, right because they're close when you're 1528 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,920 Speaker 1: in the woods or in you know, in the brush. 1529 01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,400 Speaker 1: But then you get out in the open mars and 1530 01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,160 Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of stuff that doesn't really matter 1531 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,720 Speaker 1: with your bow, matters with your muzzleloader. But you get 1532 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,240 Speaker 1: to just observe their movements. And some of the things 1533 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:51,320 Speaker 1: that struck me most is one how aggressive the stags 1534 01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:57,240 Speaker 1: are to the hinds, like mean gang pileing them. Three 1535 01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:01,200 Speaker 1: of them on one like because the ratios are like 1536 01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,280 Speaker 1: there's a really high stagged hind rat show and they 1537 01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,559 Speaker 1: get on some of them and just chase them, chase 1538 01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,439 Speaker 1: the chasing three of them on them relentless, and how 1539 01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,000 Speaker 1: much they mess with each other. They're like little bullies, man. 1540 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,800 Speaker 1: They're like the dudes and like little guys like the 1541 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,840 Speaker 1: dudes in high school that run the wrestling team. Man. 1542 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,760 Speaker 1: So they remind me of like always like messing with 1543 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,120 Speaker 1: each other and fighting and punch each other and zapping 1544 01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,880 Speaker 1: each other's nuts and stuff, just like you know, like 1545 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,360 Speaker 1: those kind of dudes, like high school wrastler guys. Man. 1546 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,759 Speaker 1: When we opened them up, there's a lot of sores 1547 01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,960 Speaker 1: on those. Yeah, Steve Stagg had some slightly infected wounds. 1548 01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,760 Speaker 1: Same with the wrestling guys in high school. Yeah, they're 1549 01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 1: they're always just like in each other's business and headlocking 1550 01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,680 Speaker 1: each other and giving each other noggies and just whatever, man, 1551 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,080 Speaker 1: just like messing with each other, pulling each other's underwear, 1552 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:56,240 Speaker 1: just like you know, ringworm and rug burn. Yeah, just 1553 01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,960 Speaker 1: that's these little stags remind me, man, because they're like 1554 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,400 Speaker 1: they're just these little I think that's pretty a little 1555 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,960 Speaker 1: ship and things that are just so like jacked up 1556 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,639 Speaker 1: and like mean to the ladies and meeting each other. 1557 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,120 Speaker 1: It's funny. It's totally antropomorphism. But oh yeah, I have 1558 01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,160 Speaker 1: no problem shooting a stag because it's just deserve this way. 1559 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,439 Speaker 1: And I feel a little guilty every time I shoot 1560 01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,040 Speaker 1: a hid. I mean, you know, if I'm really looking 1561 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,559 Speaker 1: for the meat, I'll take one. But nine times out 1562 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,240 Speaker 1: of ten, I'll just let them walk. They just look 1563 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,720 Speaker 1: so peaceful out there, and you know, I know, and 1564 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,519 Speaker 1: I had some. I had a female come through, you know, 1565 01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,479 Speaker 1: a high end come through with a faun. What do 1566 01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,479 Speaker 1: you say for faun? Do you say fun when you 1567 01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,479 Speaker 1: talking about stags and hid? We usually do. I'm not 1568 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,559 Speaker 1: sure that it was a more appropriate that's in line 1569 01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,240 Speaker 1: with stagging hid, but we just say fun either way. 1570 01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:47,479 Speaker 1: I had one of those. I was sitting there with 1571 01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,200 Speaker 1: my boat and had some of those come through close 1572 01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,559 Speaker 1: and um, like on a white tails, I wouldn't hesitate 1573 01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,519 Speaker 1: to break up though, right to the pairing, and I'd 1574 01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,800 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know, it's like it's proven that 1575 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,040 Speaker 1: if you shoot the dough, you know the fawn's weaned, 1576 01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,840 Speaker 1: it's old enough to survive or vice versa, right, and 1577 01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:12,040 Speaker 1: there's like management objectives and whatever. Oh that garbage doesn't 1578 01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:15,839 Speaker 1: bother me. Watching the hind and her fawn come across 1579 01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,240 Speaker 1: the marsh, at first, I was like, oh, she's gonna 1580 01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,320 Speaker 1: come right too, And after calling minutes, I'm like, yeah, 1581 01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. I just gonna hope of 1582 01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,760 Speaker 1: the steak. A lot of them get a pass from 1583 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,200 Speaker 1: me because of the stay comes and those spawns were small. 1584 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,360 Speaker 1: I've seen them come through the check station at black 1585 01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,080 Speaker 1: Water and they'll dress out some of them thirteen fifteen pounds, 1586 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,120 Speaker 1: And at that point it's like, is it worth killing 1587 01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,840 Speaker 1: an animal for the five pounds of animal? Meet? You 1588 01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:47,120 Speaker 1: might n I don't know you killed? Yeah, that's like 1589 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,080 Speaker 1: big as they get, you know, I'm with you. I 1590 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:51,439 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it once I saw I didn't 1591 01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,840 Speaker 1: want to do it, right had I definitely like had 1592 01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:01,559 Speaker 1: like real reservations. When they're bugling and they ripped three 1593 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,760 Speaker 1: in a row, like do you feel that some more? 1594 01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,719 Speaker 1: That's a stag that's like really worked up, as opposed 1595 01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,920 Speaker 1: to one that just rings off one randomly three packs 1596 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:18,080 Speaker 1: or single. They do some singles three packs or more. 1597 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, And I think all the 1598 01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,479 Speaker 1: stags bugle to an extent, it's not just the dominant ones. 1599 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:30,000 Speaker 1: I always like envisioned, you know, Oh it's a big six. 1600 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,120 Speaker 1: If it's really ripping out bugles, it's got to be 1601 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,200 Speaker 1: a big, mature stag. And I had one that I 1602 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:38,160 Speaker 1: called in, actually got it on video on my phone. 1603 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,000 Speaker 1: I killed a nice one the night before, and I 1604 01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,640 Speaker 1: didn't want to, Like I was hunting on the refuge, 1605 01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,720 Speaker 1: and the previous one had been on public state land, 1606 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,400 Speaker 1: so separate bag limits within applied, so I could have 1607 01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:53,800 Speaker 1: taken this one. But it was not real big. It 1608 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,360 Speaker 1: was a spike, a tall spike, and I just didn't 1609 01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:00,720 Speaker 1: want to use my black water tag on stag, so 1610 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,040 Speaker 1: I just grabbed the phone and filmed them to keep 1611 01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,640 Speaker 1: the bow from leaping into my hand. And uh, he 1612 01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,680 Speaker 1: comes all the way across the marsh, I'd call him in, 1613 01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,479 Speaker 1: and he got within twenty yards of my stand and 1614 01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,800 Speaker 1: was just milling around, and all of a sudden, he 1615 01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,640 Speaker 1: ripped out a bugle that was like blood curtain, and 1616 01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,240 Speaker 1: I had it all on video. I've been trying to 1617 01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,880 Speaker 1: catch that on either audio or video for the years. 1618 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,000 Speaker 1: I've been hunting him. I always just get like the 1619 01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,559 Speaker 1: last two or one and a half of that three pack. 1620 01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,320 Speaker 1: But this guy just went off and he sounded as 1621 01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,400 Speaker 1: big and bad as any stag I've ever heard. And 1622 01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,519 Speaker 1: you know, he was a fairly young young stag, so 1623 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:42,000 Speaker 1: I think they all call like that. But you can't 1624 01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:47,960 Speaker 1: judge a stagged by his bugle and they make a yeah, 1625 01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:53,639 Speaker 1: it stops as a real high pitch kind of turns 1626 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,960 Speaker 1: into this sort of growny moaning kind of sound. The 1627 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:01,800 Speaker 1: kiwi's calling that the heehaw, which if he kind of 1628 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,479 Speaker 1: stretch that out, it sounds kind of like that. And uh, 1629 01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:10,519 Speaker 1: that seems to be the ice. Usually when I see 1630 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:15,479 Speaker 1: that happening or imagine it happening, Uh, it seems like 1631 01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:24,560 Speaker 1: it's a dough who's tending a stag tending a dough. Yeah. Um, 1632 01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:30,040 Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, a frustration sort of sound. Um. 1633 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:35,000 Speaker 1: And then you'll hear also just right right, And then 1634 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:42,439 Speaker 1: you will sometimes hear him just growl like and they 1635 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,040 Speaker 1: lay their antlers on their back, and that's usually when 1636 01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:49,439 Speaker 1: they're encountering another stag and tell him like, get out, buddy, 1637 01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,240 Speaker 1: this is my spot. We watched one come up to 1638 01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,719 Speaker 1: two that we're fighting, and I couldn't hear him because 1639 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,479 Speaker 1: too far away, but I was watching through my knocks. 1640 01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,800 Speaker 1: Two were fighting, and he was doing that posture where 1641 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,200 Speaker 1: he tips his head back and lays his antlers across 1642 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,840 Speaker 1: his back and kind of waves his head. We're just 1643 01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:11,320 Speaker 1: kind of crazy looking, right movement should clarify the antler 1644 01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,640 Speaker 1: configuration and what six point is back sleeping. They're like 1645 01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,599 Speaker 1: little elk candlers, kind of miniature candlers. They're like more 1646 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,360 Speaker 1: similar to elk cant they got the forward brow times 1647 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,599 Speaker 1: that hook, and then your typical one. Your typical one 1648 01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,639 Speaker 1: has forward brow times that hook, and then like straight 1649 01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,639 Speaker 1: back main beams that will have a fork on them. Right, 1650 01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,760 Speaker 1: so that if he's like doing his normal normal walking posture, 1651 01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:41,720 Speaker 1: like head forward, normal walking posture, his antlers are kind 1652 01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,400 Speaker 1: of like his main beams are kind of like aimed 1653 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:51,120 Speaker 1: back at it was like a forty five degree angle, yeah, 1654 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,439 Speaker 1: like brushed back. And then you'll see some that have 1655 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,639 Speaker 1: you know, they'll have like short brows and a little 1656 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,400 Speaker 1: slight split, and as they get nicer, they get like 1657 01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:03,240 Speaker 1: a hooked and a deep fort. But then you can 1658 01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,759 Speaker 1: also get them like you killed a seven point. Yeah, 1659 01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,120 Speaker 1: very rarely you'll get one that either on one or 1660 01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,320 Speaker 1: both sides. It will have a little sticker point off 1661 01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,080 Speaker 1: the back of the main bean, and it'll be a 1662 01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,439 Speaker 1: seven or eight point. Those are rarely more than an 1663 01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:22,320 Speaker 1: inch or so long, But I would say maybe one 1664 01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,719 Speaker 1: or two eight pointers get killed a year. Uh if 1665 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,960 Speaker 1: that it's funny how much you see those antlers coming 1666 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:32,639 Speaker 1: through the brush. Oh man, they stick out like it's 1667 01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,160 Speaker 1: like two chopsticks coming through them, coming through the brothers. 1668 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,679 Speaker 1: Because the total height is only, uh what twelve inches 1669 01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:44,360 Speaker 1: savage big ones twelves of fourteen fifteen inches? True? You 1670 01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:49,400 Speaker 1: know monster trophies might get sixteen inches tall, and of 1671 01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:51,120 Speaker 1: course you'll hear guys, Oh I don't want to like 1672 01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,080 Speaker 1: play two inches? Yeah right, show me that stag and 1673 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,920 Speaker 1: I'll believe it. But otherwise, um, you know a lot 1674 01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,160 Speaker 1: of the spikes at the sort of bigger spikes will 1675 01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,840 Speaker 1: be nine ten inch spikes. But god, they look big 1676 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:07,760 Speaker 1: when you see them out there. You know, they look 1677 01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,880 Speaker 1: like the Hertford buck man or whatever that thing. It's 1678 01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:11,880 Speaker 1: like when you see one out in the open marsh, 1679 01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,120 Speaker 1: but there's nothing next to it to compare it to it. 1680 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,479 Speaker 1: Looks like a man eater because they're so like, like 1681 01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,320 Speaker 1: I said, like high school wrestlers. Man, it's like the 1682 01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,280 Speaker 1: next get it seems like half their body wrestlers, right, 1683 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,839 Speaker 1: there's some of my dearest friends are high school wrestlers, 1684 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:31,680 Speaker 1: Craig Christians and John Malcolm. Yeah, man, all kinds of 1685 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,719 Speaker 1: They're dark. The pretty easy to spot on the marsh, 1686 01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:36,479 Speaker 1: which I realized was last year I hunted the woods 1687 01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:39,120 Speaker 1: a lot more and they blend in on that that 1688 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:44,639 Speaker 1: pine the dark ones. Difference between the stags. The stags 1689 01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:49,200 Speaker 1: are chocolate dark chocolate like black, and the hind's got 1690 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,960 Speaker 1: that reddish color. But they all it's the only deer 1691 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,280 Speaker 1: that keeps its spots its whole life. And they're faint, 1692 01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,800 Speaker 1: but right down either side of their either side of 1693 01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,960 Speaker 1: their spine, and then a little on their rump, they 1694 01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:05,000 Speaker 1: keep their spots. They get pretty faint, but it's cool, 1695 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:10,479 Speaker 1: sort of disappear when they're really running because they're rolling 1696 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,880 Speaker 1: around and making wallows and their pelt gets all nasty dirty. 1697 01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,000 Speaker 1: You'll stay them up. Yeah, And so you can't really 1698 01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,880 Speaker 1: see the spots on some of the stags. But later 1699 01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,200 Speaker 1: in the season, when they stopped running and they're not 1700 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,520 Speaker 1: making the wallows as much. Their spots will start to 1701 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,080 Speaker 1: be a little more apparent as well. And man, do 1702 01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:31,200 Speaker 1: those things get a ruddy smell? The meats great, they 1703 01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,840 Speaker 1: don't get like a ruddy taste. No, We last night 1704 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,679 Speaker 1: took a um. We last night took a bad ham 1705 01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,200 Speaker 1: off a stag and just I caught a bunch of 1706 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,120 Speaker 1: holes in it, fill it full of garlic and put 1707 01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:44,680 Speaker 1: a rub on it, and we just cooked the thing 1708 01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,200 Speaker 1: in a tragg or pellet grill for a few hours. 1709 01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,680 Speaker 1: It's just like, no at all taste of that. But man, 1710 01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,479 Speaker 1: you smell that little bogger and it smells like if 1711 01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,200 Speaker 1: you piste in a jar and cap that jar up 1712 01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:58,840 Speaker 1: nice and tight, put it out in the sun for 1713 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,120 Speaker 1: a few days with a little in there, and then 1714 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,400 Speaker 1: pour debt piss on you. That's what it smells like like. 1715 01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:09,440 Speaker 1: After carrying them over my shoulders out of the marsh, 1716 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,240 Speaker 1: it smells like I had pissed myself. Yeah, you forgot 1717 01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,639 Speaker 1: to put your range like I pissed myself a couple 1718 01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:18,400 Speaker 1: of days ago. Yeah, that was kind of regretting giving 1719 01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,880 Speaker 1: you a ride back to the house. No, it was bad, man, 1720 01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,960 Speaker 1: it was bad. It's real bad. You guys were talking 1721 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:32,200 Speaker 1: about how old these these deer get. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, 1722 01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 1: what's the deal, what's the age class? Steve can speak 1723 01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:36,960 Speaker 1: to it, he knows them. Yeah, they've done a lot 1724 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,719 Speaker 1: of tagging studies over the years and in the Blackwater region, 1725 01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,680 Speaker 1: and they've documented hynes over twenty years old, you know, 1726 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:50,559 Speaker 1: hynes that were tagged as adults and were covered, you know, 1727 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,920 Speaker 1: a decade or more later. Are the stags? Is it 1728 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,200 Speaker 1: kind of like a typical you know, like a six 1729 01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,960 Speaker 1: seven year old stags ancient? Like, they don't last, that's 1730 01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:06,560 Speaker 1: I think. Certainly their lifespan is shorter, but because because 1731 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,760 Speaker 1: of hunting and because the just the hard aggression they 1732 01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,600 Speaker 1: showed towards each other. But yeah, I should mentioned the 1733 01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:13,519 Speaker 1: one I killed last year had just lost his eye. 1734 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm not talking like a little bit. His eyeball was 1735 01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:22,040 Speaker 1: completely demolished and punctured recently by an antler. Time. And 1736 01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,080 Speaker 1: then tell the story about the one that the guy 1737 01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,920 Speaker 1: that you killed it was missing the time. Yeah, so 1738 01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,639 Speaker 1: I I killed that that seven point that I killed, 1739 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,880 Speaker 1: h I noticed was missing probably close to an inch 1740 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,080 Speaker 1: inch and a half of the tip of one antler 1741 01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:40,080 Speaker 1: and I shortly after I killed that one, one of 1742 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,000 Speaker 1: my friends on the club, uh killed a real nice 1743 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:47,120 Speaker 1: mature six pointer. And when he took it to the taxidermists, 1744 01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,760 Speaker 1: they were keeping it out and they found a piece 1745 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,840 Speaker 1: of bone about inch and a half long antler stuck 1746 01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,840 Speaker 1: in its neck, like right behind the skull. And and 1747 01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,920 Speaker 1: uh so he kept it and pried it over and 1748 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,639 Speaker 1: we matched it up in it. It was a perfect 1749 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,640 Speaker 1: match to that. And from the one night shot, did 1750 01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,680 Speaker 1: you glue it back on there? No? He kept it. 1751 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,719 Speaker 1: He kept it. He kept it. Yeah, what's this trophy? 1752 01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:17,880 Speaker 1: Did you ask it? I'm not gonna call. Actually you 1753 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:22,719 Speaker 1: know that that is Steve Kendrew's antler point man really 1754 01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:28,880 Speaker 1: has a little necklace man or place at someplace independently. 1755 01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:34,840 Speaker 1: Make your wife are wondering? Um too generally? Two too bad? 1756 01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:36,519 Speaker 1: Because she was like a one she ran one. You 1757 01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,280 Speaker 1: can make her sweet earring. I made my wife turkey 1758 01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:43,080 Speaker 1: spur earrings that she wears. H you're like when you 1759 01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,080 Speaker 1: set that little mount that you set of crystal in 1760 01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,840 Speaker 1: like people who are into crystals have like a little 1761 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,280 Speaker 1: mount and you like put a crystal in there and 1762 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,760 Speaker 1: pinched the mount. I had a jeweler take those type 1763 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,000 Speaker 1: of mounts, and I saw it off Turkey spurs, big 1764 01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:59,960 Speaker 1: nice pointy turkey spurs, saw them off and had him 1765 01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:04,240 Speaker 1: set the spurs in those mounts. And now and then, 1766 01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:09,559 Speaker 1: when the occasions right, she will wear her turkey spur earrings. Interesting, 1767 01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:14,800 Speaker 1: which I like a whole bunch um. No one. The 1768 01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,559 Speaker 1: only people to know what that is are people who 1769 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,760 Speaker 1: you'd figure would know what that is, you know. Yeah, 1770 01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:24,920 Speaker 1: it's an insider thing, right. Something else has popped in 1771 01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,160 Speaker 1: my head. I can't think it. Well. I was gonna 1772 01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:32,439 Speaker 1: le mention. We covered the vocalizations, which our many. Yeah, 1773 01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:33,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to give a shout out to the guy 1774 01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:38,000 Speaker 1: that makes that bugle call because it's h he can't 1775 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,719 Speaker 1: sell them many. Yeah. I've got mixed feelings on helping 1776 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,519 Speaker 1: the market to them, because I don't want everyone and 1777 01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,439 Speaker 1: their brother to have one of these things. But yeah, 1778 01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:46,840 Speaker 1: you don't want to turn in one of those calls 1779 01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,880 Speaker 1: where everybody has the same call and it stops working. 1780 01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,240 Speaker 1: The hoochie Mama of SCA calls it his hands down 1781 01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:58,439 Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, I mean it catches that sort of 1782 01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,120 Speaker 1: low growly sound that it's arts and ends with and 1783 01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:05,120 Speaker 1: it's like it's real subtle. Yeah, it's real subtle. But 1784 01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,320 Speaker 1: to me it it's part of the authenticity of the call. 1785 01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:11,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I've listened to many of your podcast 1786 01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:14,720 Speaker 1: whe talked about turkeys and the game animals really need 1787 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,000 Speaker 1: it to sound perfect to trigger the sort of response 1788 01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:21,280 Speaker 1: you're looking for and probably not. But for me, just 1789 01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,720 Speaker 1: the confidence of coming as close to the real thing 1790 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,479 Speaker 1: as I can as part of what I personally need 1791 01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,120 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable calling to feel comfortable. Yeah, and this call, 1792 01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,240 Speaker 1: I think just nails it. Um. It's called the Nordic 1793 01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,120 Speaker 1: Ska and it's made by a guy I met out 1794 01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,719 Speaker 1: of Sweden. Oh, he's got a whole line of predator 1795 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:43,400 Speaker 1: calls and stuff like that. So it uh, definitely. Uh. 1796 01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:45,880 Speaker 1: I don't go in the woods in October without it 1797 01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:50,479 Speaker 1: around my neck. How when does the ruts start? And 1798 01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,599 Speaker 1: like how long does it last? It's basically the whole 1799 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:57,720 Speaker 1: month of October. Or I would say, you know, if 1800 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:00,400 Speaker 1: I were to pick two weeks to hunt out of 1801 01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,720 Speaker 1: the entire season, it would be starting with Columbus Day 1802 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,320 Speaker 1: for the next two weeks. Uh, that sort of middle 1803 01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:12,360 Speaker 1: two weeks, second and third weeks of October probably will 1804 01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:16,479 Speaker 1: encompass the peak of the rut, but they'll start late 1805 01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:20,760 Speaker 1: September early October, but they don't really get cranked up 1806 01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:25,400 Speaker 1: until about Columbus Day, it seems, and it's over by Halloween. Yeah. 1807 01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:28,679 Speaker 1: Generally he'll get little pulses of activity, and I've I've 1808 01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:33,280 Speaker 1: seen stags chasing hines in November and even into December. 1809 01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:36,600 Speaker 1: But these calls in those later seasons, I do, they 1810 01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,599 Speaker 1: don't seem to be as responsive to them though, especially 1811 01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,880 Speaker 1: the stag calls. The cow calls. You know you can 1812 01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,640 Speaker 1: stop one with it? Or what can you tell the 1813 01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,360 Speaker 1: story about the flood and the sekid box that were 1814 01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:53,120 Speaker 1: tied together. Back in two thousand two, we had Hurricane 1815 01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,960 Speaker 1: Isabel came through and there was a tremendous storm surge 1816 01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,560 Speaker 1: that flooded out most of southern Dorchester County and it 1817 01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,080 Speaker 1: pushed a bunch of flotsam, just debreathe, all kinds of 1818 01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:07,320 Speaker 1: stuff way up into the woods and marshes and whatnot. 1819 01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:09,840 Speaker 1: And I had taken a friend of mine on this 1820 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:14,879 Speaker 1: property that I had lived on in southern Dorchester creep O, Maryland, 1821 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,640 Speaker 1: um and I had to go. I had to leave 1822 01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:21,479 Speaker 1: him on his own for a couple of hours midday, 1823 01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:23,519 Speaker 1: and when I came back, he said, hey, man, I 1824 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:31,320 Speaker 1: found two dead stags that someone tied together. So that's weird, 1825 01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,439 Speaker 1: and show me. So we went and we walked over 1826 01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,240 Speaker 1: to where he'd found them, and indeed it was two 1827 01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:40,799 Speaker 1: real nice, mature six point stags that had gotten tangled 1828 01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:45,240 Speaker 1: up in a length of crab booy line. Probably I 1829 01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,080 Speaker 1: don't know, if you stretched it all out, it's probably 1830 01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:50,479 Speaker 1: fifty or sixty ft of yeah, and it and the 1831 01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,280 Speaker 1: one stag that had you know when when they wallow 1832 01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:56,639 Speaker 1: and they spa and you know, make little rubs on trees, 1833 01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,920 Speaker 1: they just whipped their heads all around and he must 1834 01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:03,800 Speaker 1: have loop this rope up somehow, and then the way 1835 01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,000 Speaker 1: to the buoy it just kind of kept swinging around 1836 01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,880 Speaker 1: and it just perfect like figure eight around us. And 1837 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:13,479 Speaker 1: so this big wad of rope hanging around his antlers 1838 01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:15,719 Speaker 1: at the base of it, and then a long loop 1839 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,160 Speaker 1: had formed at one point, and he got in a 1840 01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:21,040 Speaker 1: tussle with this other stag, and that loop got around 1841 01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,320 Speaker 1: the other stags antler and twisted up to the point 1842 01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:27,240 Speaker 1: where it couldn't free itself, and he could see it 1843 01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,519 Speaker 1: that also like tangled up in greenbrier and all kinds 1844 01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:31,880 Speaker 1: of stuff had been a big struggle, and both of you, 1845 01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,719 Speaker 1: they were still laying where they had met their death. 1846 01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:37,519 Speaker 1: They were telling that no one had touched him. I 1847 01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,080 Speaker 1: mean they were still tied up with the brush and stuff. Yeah, 1848 01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,439 Speaker 1: I had to cut away all the greenbrier that there 1849 01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:46,000 Speaker 1: was twisted up rope and everything. So yeah, it was 1850 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,080 Speaker 1: completely just a freak of nature kind of thing. The 1851 01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,720 Speaker 1: only thing humans had to do with it was the 1852 01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,799 Speaker 1: fact that we were the originator or the rope and buoy. 1853 01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,800 Speaker 1: So this this one stag had a crab buoy hanging 1854 01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:02,160 Speaker 1: right on his forehead, and and another dead stag with 1855 01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:05,760 Speaker 1: about three foot loop and you and you kept those 1856 01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,479 Speaker 1: schools and kept tied up. Yeah, I boiled them out 1857 01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,120 Speaker 1: and clean them up just as they were. I haven't 1858 01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:13,960 Speaker 1: separated them or anything. And when you get your antler 1859 01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,479 Speaker 1: point back from that dude, you can make just a 1860 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,679 Speaker 1: little display man of like the booie one his body 1861 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,800 Speaker 1: that he's tied up to the little point. Yeah, the 1862 01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,080 Speaker 1: other stag, it would be like a nice little you'll 1863 01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,840 Speaker 1: be able to have people come over and they'll you'll 1864 01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,519 Speaker 1: catch them looking at that little display and you see 1865 01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,720 Speaker 1: that stag wars see that. Let me tell you right, 1866 01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:39,200 Speaker 1: but right now I can't tell that story because that 1867 01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:44,040 Speaker 1: guy stole your thing. I don't begrudging. It was in 1868 01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,160 Speaker 1: his deer. So no, I think if the police, if 1869 01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,439 Speaker 1: the police came out the police to say that's the 1870 01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,720 Speaker 1: blind is that doesn't blind to you as long as 1871 01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:55,719 Speaker 1: the other guy who's stuck in his deer, that's the police, 1872 01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:59,840 Speaker 1: and say yeah, now if you called the ethicist, hey, 1873 01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:01,840 Speaker 1: you might get a different answer. Yeah, but where do 1874 01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,479 Speaker 1: you stand on folks that they shoot a bull or 1875 01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:10,679 Speaker 1: a buck and it's missing, you know, a prominent time, okay, 1876 01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:14,439 Speaker 1: and then they have all the tax drms recreated that 1877 01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,200 Speaker 1: For me, I'm like that that's not right. So I 1878 01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:19,920 Speaker 1: think that that is, that's not the same thing at all. 1879 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,640 Speaker 1: How is it not the same thing? Because it's just 1880 01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:25,639 Speaker 1: not the same it's just not the same thing. We're 1881 01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,360 Speaker 1: not asking him to put it back on his buck 1882 01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:29,439 Speaker 1: and then display it as in like here is my 1883 01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,320 Speaker 1: grand seven point. We're asking to display because it's an 1884 01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:35,120 Speaker 1: interesting story, like next to the because you'd be able 1885 01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,320 Speaker 1: to say, see that, right, I would if it was mine. 1886 01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:41,920 Speaker 1: I believe that I would tie it off with a 1887 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,680 Speaker 1: little piece of string hanging there, and people will be like, 1888 01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:46,639 Speaker 1: what happened here? And he'd like, well, funny you ask, 1889 01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,800 Speaker 1: and then I'd tell him the story, but the same 1890 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,640 Speaker 1: story though. No, no one's going to ask him why 1891 01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,680 Speaker 1: he's got a little hunk of antler. What if it's 1892 01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,040 Speaker 1: hanging from a string off of his buck? People like, 1893 01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,920 Speaker 1: why would you're off that buck? Yeah, well let me 1894 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:04,720 Speaker 1: tell you that. And my good friend Steve can drop 1895 01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:08,559 Speaker 1: if you had a regular buck and you hung off 1896 01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:10,960 Speaker 1: a little chunk of antler off him, and people were 1897 01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:14,320 Speaker 1: analyzed them. They couldn't see a broken time. They might 1898 01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,639 Speaker 1: be like, hey, what gives over here on the display shelf, 1899 01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:19,240 Speaker 1: at which point you'll be able to say, well, let 1900 01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,160 Speaker 1: me tell you. Yeah, and you have to tell the 1901 01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,599 Speaker 1: whole story, Ryan, Yeah, And then at the end they'd 1902 01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:28,880 Speaker 1: be liked antler point back to give him that antler point, bro, 1903 01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:31,920 Speaker 1: And then maybe he's got a follow up story about Steve. 1904 01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,160 Speaker 1: I heard a story. I heard a story about some guys. 1905 01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,920 Speaker 1: This is out at the This is some dudes who 1906 01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,559 Speaker 1: were hunting out at that ranch we've talked about before 1907 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,160 Speaker 1: called the High Lonesome, which is like a controversial ranch 1908 01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:50,040 Speaker 1: because of some public land issues. But uh, they had 1909 01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:54,759 Speaker 1: had a client out who was pursuing this this bull 1910 01:52:54,840 --> 01:53:00,400 Speaker 1: elk that had this giant club formation. Okay, the bulls 1911 01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:04,000 Speaker 1: carrying the club when the client hits it with an arrow. 1912 01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:07,920 Speaker 1: By the time they blood trail and recovered, the club's 1913 01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:11,880 Speaker 1: not there anymore. And this guy, I guess was very 1914 01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:17,000 Speaker 1: very interested in then finding that club. I could never 1915 01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:23,080 Speaker 1: find it. I wonder if he had one bill. That's nothing, man, 1916 01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,320 Speaker 1: I was just at the Wild Sheep Foundation and they 1917 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,840 Speaker 1: got the world like, there's a new world record big horn. 1918 01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:33,600 Speaker 1: In my opinion, shouldn't count time a little kid in 1919 01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,120 Speaker 1: Montana just shot a giant that they say might be 1920 01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:42,439 Speaker 1: a new world record. Really think, Oh, shouldn't say six eighty? 1921 01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,840 Speaker 1: People are gonna find out that that's a famous big 1922 01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,800 Speaker 1: horn unit as a joke, all the big big horns 1923 01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:48,760 Speaker 1: come out of six unless it was like a youth 1924 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:53,040 Speaker 1: world record, but younger. I don't know. A kid in 1925 01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,680 Speaker 1: Montana just shot one that I think might be a 1926 01:53:55,720 --> 01:54:00,320 Speaker 1: new world record. It wasn't. My kid wasn't. No. Oh, 1927 01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:04,479 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say, Okay, so two problems. There's the problem. 1928 01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:06,680 Speaker 1: I meant to address. I'm gonna address the problem that 1929 01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:08,599 Speaker 1: comes up in the in the addressing of that problem, 1930 01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:12,599 Speaker 1: the problem I wanted to address was the replica. Okay, 1931 01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,640 Speaker 1: which is fine, But here's the main thing. There's a 1932 01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,200 Speaker 1: new world record big horn. Because there's there's this big 1933 01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,600 Speaker 1: there's this big gas lake. Flathead Lake's twenty it's a 1934 01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,920 Speaker 1: natural lake, twenty miles long, some miles wide, big gas Lake. 1935 01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:25,320 Speaker 1: Out in the middle of this big lake is a 1936 01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,680 Speaker 1: thing called wild Horse Island. And at one point in 1937 01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,920 Speaker 1: time it was supposed to be a utopia. Like a 1938 01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:33,800 Speaker 1: guy owned wild Horse Island and he was gonna have 1939 01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:38,000 Speaker 1: like an economist, a sociologist, like he's gonna bring out 1940 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,080 Speaker 1: all these experts and create this utopia where they would 1941 01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,640 Speaker 1: solve all of the world's problems on this little island, 1942 01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:48,000 Speaker 1: as utopias are want to do. It failed. It just 1943 01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,200 Speaker 1: became like regular people's have places out there. But there's 1944 01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,520 Speaker 1: also some public property out there, and some old orchards 1945 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:53,920 Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. And at some point 1946 01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,040 Speaker 1: in time, a bunch of big horns got put out there, 1947 01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,320 Speaker 1: and it's been pretty valuable over the years because they 1948 01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,720 Speaker 1: have you is the big horns from Wild Horse Island 1949 01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:09,640 Speaker 1: two help do repopulations of of other areas to bring 1950 01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,240 Speaker 1: in genetic diversities. You grab one from big Horn. At times, 1951 01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:14,600 Speaker 1: they've taken big horns from other locations and brought them 1952 01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,480 Speaker 1: out and put him on wild Horse Island to help 1953 01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:18,640 Speaker 1: the genetic diversity on wild Horse isund So it's just 1954 01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,560 Speaker 1: like important little part of big hornness. But there's no 1955 01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,360 Speaker 1: predation to speak of. There's absolutely no hunting, and it's 1956 01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of like because it's out on an island that 1957 01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,680 Speaker 1: kind of functions in my mind as a sort of zoo. 1958 01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,480 Speaker 1: I've been out there and you can pretty much walk 1959 01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,160 Speaker 1: up and grab the big horns, right, they're kind of 1960 01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,000 Speaker 1: like their team. Yeah, because there's a lot of recreation 1961 01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,000 Speaker 1: on that island. There's a lot of hikers, and yeah, 1962 01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:41,880 Speaker 1: they like I remember standing out there in wild Horse 1963 01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,200 Speaker 1: Island one time and I was counting how many times 1964 01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,400 Speaker 1: one was gonna hit the Ponderosa pine. I remember, I 1965 01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:48,200 Speaker 1: think he hit it seventy two times in a row 1966 01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:52,840 Speaker 1: or something. Bam bam bam. God. Yeah, and he hit 1967 01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,760 Speaker 1: it that many times in a row. And you can 1968 01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:57,240 Speaker 1: tell he did it a lot because he'd kind of 1969 01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:00,280 Speaker 1: like caused his big indent on this ponderosa getting his 1970 01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:01,960 Speaker 1: hundred in for the day. So yeah, he's in the 1971 01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,000 Speaker 1: Hundle club. So sounds kind of like bow hunting for 1972 01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:08,960 Speaker 1: secret here stranging your head against something. So one of 1973 01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,920 Speaker 1: these dies and it's a new world record, and it 1974 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,600 Speaker 1: feels like it feels to me like saying the new 1975 01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:18,160 Speaker 1: world record came out of the Cincinnati Zoo. Yeah, it's 1976 01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:23,000 Speaker 1: an odd way to track record book animals. Like, well, 1977 01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:26,480 Speaker 1: you guys know that the argument is that those records 1978 01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,600 Speaker 1: are set up for the animal. I know, I know, 1979 01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,160 Speaker 1: but I don't like it. I don't like it. I 1980 01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:35,120 Speaker 1: hope the kid. I hope this kid has a new 1981 01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:39,720 Speaker 1: world from a like native habitat, right, it's like native habitat, 1982 01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,800 Speaker 1: wild living out there getting chewed on by wild animals. 1983 01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,160 Speaker 1: I just hope, I hope, I hope this rumor is correct. 1984 01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,880 Speaker 1: But so you know, but again you're looking at like 1985 01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,320 Speaker 1: what can happen, Like what is the greatest size one 1986 01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:55,760 Speaker 1: of these can achieve? And I accept that it's the 1987 01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,440 Speaker 1: biggest one, but just it's a bummer to me that 1988 01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:00,160 Speaker 1: came from like a little zoo island. And now I'm 1989 01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:01,760 Speaker 1: being a little bit I'm trivializing it and being a 1990 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:04,080 Speaker 1: little bit reductive. But that's just my initial take on right, 1991 01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:06,720 Speaker 1: because you're right, it is important because that is a 1992 01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:11,040 Speaker 1: herd of big horns that hasn't been subjected to any disease. 1993 01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,720 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about replicas as far as well, 1994 01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,480 Speaker 1: I walk in and there it is, and holy ship, 1995 01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,960 Speaker 1: is that thing big man? Like you know, I've looked 1996 01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,560 Speaker 1: at like I'm not like a big horn expert, but 1997 01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:23,240 Speaker 1: I looked at the bay number of big horns over 1998 01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:24,960 Speaker 1: the years. This thing is like you look at it 1999 01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,200 Speaker 1: and you're like, my god, I have never seen anything 2000 01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:33,600 Speaker 1: like that. It is just gargangein But and it's a replica, 2001 01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:38,000 Speaker 1: not the same body. And they cast those horns, and 2002 01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:39,920 Speaker 1: that's like a big thing in the sheep world. Like 2003 01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,920 Speaker 1: our friend Jay, who's a sheep guide, when he gets 2004 01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,880 Speaker 1: a client on a big ram, he he guides like 2005 01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:49,760 Speaker 1: Governor's Auction, Governor's tag type dudes. When they get a 2006 01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,760 Speaker 1: big ram, he'll get a replica made to have a 2007 01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,280 Speaker 1: replica of the horns, Like they cast the horns and 2008 01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:57,120 Speaker 1: make a replica. It's a common thing for the client 2009 01:57:57,240 --> 01:57:59,720 Speaker 1: to do as a part of the tip of the 2010 01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,440 Speaker 1: thing a guy. He's already got three thousand dollars and 2011 01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:05,400 Speaker 1: do it. So did you find anything? Honest? Yeah, so 2012 01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:11,720 Speaker 1: it was actually killed last fall October. It's still not 2013 01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:15,480 Speaker 1: It still has to go through some more scoring, you know, 2014 01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:17,400 Speaker 1: by being secs. You know, has to go through a 2015 01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,120 Speaker 1: couple of panels to be certified or not. But anyways, 2016 01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:24,760 Speaker 1: it's eight inches shy of that big one from uh 2017 01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:29,360 Speaker 1: eight inches. You're not gonna make that up. No, you're 2018 01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:30,920 Speaker 1: not going to make that up. But what it is 2019 01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:35,160 Speaker 1: is that it's a it ties the world record hunter 2020 01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:40,000 Speaker 1: killed sheep. It's like a twelve year old kid, right you. 2021 01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, not even a kid. I don't know, Brody. 2022 01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,120 Speaker 1: I just heard it. And to your credit, you did 2023 01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:51,160 Speaker 1: ask him to look it up. As my kids say, 2024 01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:56,680 Speaker 1: type it up, fact checking, trust, but verifying. Boys, it's 2025 01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:59,440 Speaker 1: trying to do some closing statements. I'm sorry, but it's 2026 01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:01,560 Speaker 1: come to that time. We have to leave in an 2027 01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:04,760 Speaker 1: hour for the airport. I don't have any I'm good. No, 2028 01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:06,400 Speaker 1: I got one, my boy. The other day, I was 2029 01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:09,160 Speaker 1: looking at speaking of packers, my boy, I just heard 2030 01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:13,840 Speaker 1: about this. UM was looking at a horse and he says, man, 2031 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,200 Speaker 1: that horse has a poop that just won't come out, 2032 01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:19,920 Speaker 1: and uh, someone pointed out to him that that's, in 2033 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:21,880 Speaker 1: fact not a poop that won't come out, this is 2034 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,800 Speaker 1: reproductive organ and he was saying, I'm glad I don't 2035 01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:27,440 Speaker 1: need to carry one around like that. I'm glad I 2036 01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:30,880 Speaker 1: got a small one. So it's good to have that perspective. 2037 01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,760 Speaker 1: To be thankful for what you got. That's my closing thought. 2038 01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:38,040 Speaker 1: Be thankful for what you got, ladies and gentlemen to 2039 01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:44,240 Speaker 1: one whatever. Lauren, thanks Caam for having me. I didn't 2040 01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:47,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of contribution there, but uh, it sure 2041 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,400 Speaker 1: was fun coming out here and shooting sick a deer, 2042 01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:51,840 Speaker 1: not only from the tree stand, but to get to 2043 01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:55,120 Speaker 1: experience it from the ground, and it's awesome. You know. 2044 01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:57,320 Speaker 1: I think you're concluding thought should be you should stay 2045 01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:59,880 Speaker 1: hied to the dude in New Zealand. Yeah, I hate 2046 02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Ben Brown. Thanks for being a fan and listening, and 2047 02:00:04,520 --> 02:00:08,360 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Didn't heard us all the way from Montana. 2048 02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Amen um. In the spirit of Steve's apology for the 2049 02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:22,400 Speaker 1: the Washington elcount, I'd issued like a semi fair warning, 2050 02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, like if you're thinking about coming out here 2051 02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:29,440 Speaker 1: to hunt these things which you should do. Um, just 2052 02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:33,160 Speaker 1: know that it's like not a slam dunk, Like it's 2053 02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:35,640 Speaker 1: gonna be way different, way different hunt than what I 2054 02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:37,600 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are expecting. They're gonna be 2055 02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:41,840 Speaker 1: hard to find and like hard to scout. And yeah, 2056 02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,040 Speaker 1: it's good. You probably had to come do but you 2057 02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:45,680 Speaker 1: might need to come do it a few times to 2058 02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:48,560 Speaker 1: get a dial. Yeah. Since we've kind of talked about 2059 02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:52,520 Speaker 1: where they live, if you're gonna come here, just be prepared. Yeah, 2060 02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:54,440 Speaker 1: it's not like showing up somewhere to go squirrel hunting 2061 02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:56,360 Speaker 1: or something. You have to figure it out a little bit. 2062 02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:58,080 Speaker 1: But I want to come and do it for sure. 2063 02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,480 Speaker 1: You're fired up. Man, They're cool. Cool. I wish they 2064 02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:10,320 Speaker 1: were native man. Yeah, we discussion like what we're talking 2065 02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,040 Speaker 1: Cal and I were talking about that a little bit, 2066 02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,760 Speaker 1: like when do is there a point at which something 2067 02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:19,080 Speaker 1: becomes honorary native? Yeah, honorary native. If there is, I 2068 02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:21,120 Speaker 1: feel that they've achieved because, like I said, they've woven 2069 02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:24,560 Speaker 1: themselves into the cultural fabric of the East Shore. Yeah, 2070 02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:27,240 Speaker 1: with humans, all you have to do is be born there. 2071 02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,800 Speaker 1: I know, well not even I mean, you could be 2072 02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:35,520 Speaker 1: you could be born there, but um naturalized, Yeah, naturalized, 2073 02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:40,760 Speaker 1: good stuff. Brody. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, Brody Henderson, take 2074 02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:47,880 Speaker 1: it easy, Stephen. I'm just grateful for the opportunity to 2075 02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,920 Speaker 1: work with you guys this week. You know, it was 2076 02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:53,200 Speaker 1: it was exciting to see how the sausage is made, 2077 02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,680 Speaker 1: so to speak, for a meat Eater episode. We've read 2078 02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:00,240 Speaker 1: Ups and Sinclair's The Jungle how the sausages made. I 2079 02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:02,520 Speaker 1: think I was supposed to one of the books I 2080 02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:04,640 Speaker 1: skipped in high school that I was supposed to read, 2081 02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:08,480 Speaker 1: or don't remember at least, but now it was. It 2082 02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:10,880 Speaker 1: was great to work with you guys, and it was, frankly, 2083 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:14,720 Speaker 1: it was it was fun to see a couple real 2084 02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:20,000 Speaker 1: experienced consummate hunters put back on the early stages of 2085 02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:22,800 Speaker 1: the learning curve. You know, the enthusiasm I saw in 2086 02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:25,040 Speaker 1: you guys coming back seeing something new and trying to 2087 02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:27,200 Speaker 1: suss out how these animals work and what makes them 2088 02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:30,200 Speaker 1: tick and how to be successful. It was cool for 2089 02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:31,760 Speaker 1: me to see that because I think a lot of 2090 02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:35,240 Speaker 1: folks assume that you guys are so good at what 2091 02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,680 Speaker 1: you do that it becomes sort of blase after a while. 2092 02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:41,040 Speaker 1: And I got to see firsthand that sort of enthusiasm 2093 02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:44,200 Speaker 1: and appreciation for the resource and respect for the animals 2094 02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:47,000 Speaker 1: that that you guys have. And I think that's what 2095 02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:50,560 Speaker 1: makes met Eater so special. Uh is that really shines 2096 02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:54,280 Speaker 1: through and the products the podcast, the show that you do, 2097 02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:57,240 Speaker 1: and you know, working with the guys behind the scene. 2098 02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:59,720 Speaker 1: My shadow for the week here, Lauren, was was a 2099 02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:04,360 Speaker 1: lot of fun. Um. I was not successful in taking 2100 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:08,600 Speaker 1: a deer, but you you you put yourself in a 2101 02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:10,560 Speaker 1: position where you're sucking high and tit the whole time 2102 02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:13,080 Speaker 1: giving us the cherry spots. There's a little bit of that. 2103 02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:15,920 Speaker 1: I wanted you let us, let us go with all 2104 02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:18,360 Speaker 1: the hotspots and you go up and just figure something 2105 02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:21,600 Speaker 1: out to not getting our way. Yeah, I was you. 2106 02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:25,240 Speaker 1: I've been like boys, I've just found it. They really 2107 02:03:25,320 --> 02:03:27,520 Speaker 1: like it. Right here by the truck. I'll go back 2108 02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:32,240 Speaker 1: into the marsh. Don't forget the bugs. B No. I 2109 02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:36,560 Speaker 1: definitely wanted to see you be successful and I think 2110 02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:39,920 Speaker 1: he got some great footage and be looking forward to 2111 02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:43,320 Speaker 1: whenever it comes out in the airs. And then my 2112 02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:48,080 Speaker 1: final final concluder is to my friend Johan who has 2113 02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:50,360 Speaker 1: the other piece of the antler. You don't need to 2114 02:03:50,440 --> 02:03:53,080 Speaker 1: send it back to anybody. You've got my blessing to 2115 02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:57,200 Speaker 1: keep it. Um. But I know he's a pretty avid listener, 2116 02:03:57,320 --> 02:03:59,520 Speaker 1: so I don't hear about it. It'll probably be mad 2117 02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:01,280 Speaker 1: that I didn't contact him and tell him to come 2118 02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:07,720 Speaker 1: down and meet you while you're here. So Okale, thanks 2119 02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,360 Speaker 1: a ton. We've been talking about this for a long 2120 02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:13,600 Speaker 1: long time, and I gotta say I just exceeded expectations. 2121 02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:16,920 Speaker 1: How did you guys meet? Anyway? I was working, literally, 2122 02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,760 Speaker 1: I was three months in, three or four months into 2123 02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:25,680 Speaker 1: working at First Light at two thousand twelve, doing sales marketing, 2124 02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:31,600 Speaker 1: customer service, a little bit of product um and uh, 2125 02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Steve got a hold of me um and Cerosfully I 2126 02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:40,000 Speaker 1: called the bitch about a ripping Mike conn Ops and 2127 02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:41,760 Speaker 1: he did me right, And you guys struck up a 2128 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:45,200 Speaker 1: little friendship. And he was like, yeah, seek a deer 2129 02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,280 Speaker 1: in a longbow and I bet you don't even know 2130 02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:51,040 Speaker 1: what that is. And so and then the more I 2131 02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:52,520 Speaker 1: got into it, I was like, oh my god, you 2132 02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,920 Speaker 1: can call them like you can? You know, you can 2133 02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:59,120 Speaker 1: use calls, which is something I love. Um doesn't matter 2134 02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:03,320 Speaker 1: if it's ducks or elk or whatever. Um, turkeys and 2135 02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:07,360 Speaker 1: just something that I hadn't heard of. Tons of public 2136 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:12,840 Speaker 1: ground that taste really good. Um. And it just and 2137 02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:17,280 Speaker 1: I just as we've discussed, I just finished uh chess 2138 02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:20,920 Speaker 1: Peak Mitchener's chess Peak like the year before, and uh, 2139 02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:24,440 Speaker 1: I feel like he does a great job in this 2140 02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:28,320 Speaker 1: area because the story of the chess Peak Bay is 2141 02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:35,160 Speaker 1: just this constant change because of well now like saltwater encroachment. Um. 2142 02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:42,880 Speaker 1: And you know it's it's um erosion, right, And I 2143 02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:45,480 Speaker 1: think that's one of the coolest things that I kind 2144 02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:48,840 Speaker 1: of came to. And this really is my concluder is Um, 2145 02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:51,880 Speaker 1: you have so many things that have changed in this 2146 02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:56,200 Speaker 1: area and gone away, all these islands that have fallen 2147 02:05:57,040 --> 02:06:02,360 Speaker 1: in into the water and a road subsumed by water. Yeah, 2148 02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:04,400 Speaker 1: they didn't fall into the water. I want to make 2149 02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:11,360 Speaker 1: that clarify that I'm gonna disagree. Um, they blew away, right, Steve, 2150 02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:15,720 Speaker 1: What's that the islands washed away? They got as soon 2151 02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:20,360 Speaker 1: as they got covered by water at some point eroded 2152 02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:28,520 Speaker 1: the trees. Anyway, go on account. Yeah, I'm following you. Um. 2153 02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:35,560 Speaker 1: And then you have this species, although it is an 2154 02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:38,240 Speaker 1: invasive species, which I'm totally on the other side of. 2155 02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:42,800 Speaker 1: On every other argument that is now like finding new 2156 02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:45,240 Speaker 1: life and growth in an area where a lot of 2157 02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:48,720 Speaker 1: things are going away in a compromised ecosystem, which I 2158 02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:53,320 Speaker 1: was just blown away by. And man, it seems like 2159 02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:56,040 Speaker 1: a really good thing. And I'm really interested to see 2160 02:06:56,640 --> 02:07:01,320 Speaker 1: what biologists kind of pop out after after I listening 2161 02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:04,440 Speaker 1: to this as to what the other side is, because 2162 02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I know there's another side out there. They have to 2163 02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:10,000 Speaker 1: be competing against something. There's a Telvin show my kids 2164 02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:13,760 Speaker 1: are watching which I which I despise, called Animal Mechanicals. 2165 02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,840 Speaker 1: It's where all it's like this. I viewed as this 2166 02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:23,400 Speaker 1: this dystopian universe where it's a post wildlife world where 2167 02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:28,520 Speaker 1: the animals are mechanical, all the all the trees and plants, 2168 02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:31,920 Speaker 1: everything is artificial and mechanical. But it's meant to be 2169 02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:34,320 Speaker 1: cool and they do cool things. But when you watch it, 2170 02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:38,680 Speaker 1: it's like this, that's yeah, it's a dystopian post wildlife world. 2171 02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:43,680 Speaker 1: And so as you have this ecosystem here where there's 2172 02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:48,560 Speaker 1: it's the dominant plants, it's a non native grass, an 2173 02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:54,760 Speaker 1: invasive non native grass trees that were planted rising ocean 2174 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:59,520 Speaker 1: levels that are encroaching on and destroying vegetation, a non 2175 02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:02,920 Speaker 1: native deer that is thriving in this environment, it winds 2176 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,200 Speaker 1: up being like on the surface, you'd come and be like, wow, 2177 02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,200 Speaker 1: this is amazing, But on the other hand, you look 2178 02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:09,400 Speaker 1: and it's like emblematic of a lot of problems that 2179 02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:12,920 Speaker 1: we have with a lot of wildlife problems that we have. Yeah, 2180 02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:15,960 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be I'm sure he is right now, 2181 02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:20,600 Speaker 1: a major major conversation and the homogenizing effect of non 2182 02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:23,840 Speaker 1: native wildlife, nonnative flora and fauna, and it's got a 2183 02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:28,560 Speaker 1: culture around it and an economy around it. And yeah, 2184 02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's fascinating stuff. We're adaptive in our tastes. 2185 02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:36,880 Speaker 1: You gotta wonder how many white tales we would have 2186 02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:39,160 Speaker 1: seen in there in a week if there were no 2187 02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:42,840 Speaker 1: secret deer the way more we did not that an 2188 02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:50,400 Speaker 1: anti right, I'm just a question, yea, Janie, Janie poodless Um, 2189 02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:55,880 Speaker 1: great time this week. Thanks Steve again, appreciate you hosting us. 2190 02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:59,200 Speaker 1: We stay in Steve's uh you know, may to plug 2191 02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:03,480 Speaker 1: your A and B come down here and Church Creek 2192 02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:05,880 Speaker 1: and staying Steve spot. What it's a sweet little spot. 2193 02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:10,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna want to come down and Steve's gonna be like, oh, 2194 02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:13,800 Speaker 1: I can't, I'm all booked up. He's gonna be like, who, 2195 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,800 Speaker 1: just let me know when you're coming. Now, I'm rolling 2196 02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:20,200 Speaker 1: my eyes now if you can't hear me, my eyes 2197 02:09:20,240 --> 02:09:22,840 Speaker 1: are rolling in my head. Um, I was gonna give 2198 02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:26,160 Speaker 1: you some I was gonna plug your Airbnb, Steve. No, 2199 02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:29,320 Speaker 1: I make sure to protect some days for for when 2200 02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm planning a hunt, and if I know you guys 2201 02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:34,800 Speaker 1: are coming, they'll be there's long and available. Yeah, but 2202 02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:37,160 Speaker 1: there's a long season. It opens up September six that 2203 02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:41,080 Speaker 1: runs through the end of uh January. And you know, 2204 02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:42,840 Speaker 1: we've got this house that I used to live here 2205 02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:46,480 Speaker 1: Monday through Friday, um, when I worked on the New 2206 02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:50,520 Speaker 1: Trio project, and now that I'm over on the Western 2207 02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,040 Speaker 1: Shore and one of those people, those people right, uh, 2208 02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:58,440 Speaker 1: you know that you're a chicken necker. I Uh, my 2209 02:09:58,560 --> 02:10:00,440 Speaker 1: wife and I decided to put the us up on 2210 02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,840 Speaker 1: Airbnb after we were unsuccessful in selling it, and lo 2211 02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:07,840 Speaker 1: and behold, it's been pretty popular through the summer months. Um. 2212 02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:10,400 Speaker 1: We try to keep the price raisable and for a 2213 02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,480 Speaker 1: group of guys that come in, it's much cheaper than 2214 02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:14,480 Speaker 1: a hotel and you've got all the amenities at home, 2215 02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:17,800 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know it's it doesn't get the 2216 02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,000 Speaker 1: use during the hunting season that it does. Uh. You know, 2217 02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:25,720 Speaker 1: it starts to taper off in September, October, November, December, January. 2218 02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:29,720 Speaker 1: But uh did have an interesting case where we got 2219 02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:34,000 Speaker 1: an inquiry about a booking from someone in upstate New York. 2220 02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:36,840 Speaker 1: It turned out to live in the community right next 2221 02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:39,480 Speaker 1: to where I grew up. And uh, they come down 2222 02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:42,520 Speaker 1: in January for seven they booked for a ten day 2223 02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:46,360 Speaker 1: hunt this year coming up. So but yeah, it's available. 2224 02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:48,600 Speaker 1: It's called the Church Creek Getaway. If you go on 2225 02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:54,200 Speaker 1: Airbnb and look at at Cambridge, Maryland area man Church 2226 02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Creek Away. Too much information, Man, next day we'll be 2227 02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:01,480 Speaker 1: talking about where to buy them crabball. I was gonna 2228 02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:04,720 Speaker 1: give you a hot tip though on uh to get 2229 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:07,880 Speaker 1: yourself prepared for the moment of truth with your bow. 2230 02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:11,280 Speaker 1: There's a way to practice for them. A couple of 2231 02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,800 Speaker 1: things I've done is you can enter tournaments and if 2232 02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:19,040 Speaker 1: you're in a competition sort of a setting, there's you know, 2233 02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:22,800 Speaker 1: stress or that you induce. You know that that setting 2234 02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:26,040 Speaker 1: induces on you, understand. I don't think that's a good idea. 2235 02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:28,760 Speaker 1: That's only gets the same thing. But go ahead, No, 2236 02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:31,240 Speaker 1: it's not the same thing at all, But you get us. 2237 02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:33,360 Speaker 1: There's a stress that you when you're at home just 2238 02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:35,880 Speaker 1: flinging arrows that you can't replicate, right, And if you 2239 02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:38,360 Speaker 1: got a bunch of mugs like nah, like that kind 2240 02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:39,840 Speaker 1: of stuff, Yeah, that helps a little bit. What you 2241 02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:42,000 Speaker 1: can do at home with a bunch of mugs is 2242 02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:45,520 Speaker 1: put some wagers on the line, but some money on 2243 02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:48,959 Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, but that that's not Yeah, I appreciate 2244 02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:50,440 Speaker 1: the effort, man, but I don't think this is like, 2245 02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:51,840 Speaker 1: this is the same thing. You don't have to tell 2246 02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:53,120 Speaker 1: me if I'm right or wrong. I'm giving you a 2247 02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:55,640 Speaker 1: hot tip as a way to get better at your shooting. 2248 02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:59,280 Speaker 1: In that moment of truth, it's sort of deal with stress. 2249 02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,040 Speaker 1: If you's there's a large sum of money, you are 2250 02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:04,680 Speaker 1: going to force yourself to focus and to block out 2251 02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,320 Speaker 1: everything else, and you're not gonna allow yourself to go 2252 02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:10,840 Speaker 1: from oh I got this thing too, because you're like, no, 2253 02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:16,800 Speaker 1: there's a hundred and I need to take a second longer, 2254 02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:21,640 Speaker 1: exhale and squeeze. Yeah, that's true. Because even when we 2255 02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:23,920 Speaker 1: have rock thrown contest. I pay a lot more attention 2256 02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:26,960 Speaker 1: once we've got money on a rock thrown contest. Totally, 2257 02:12:28,040 --> 02:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I can see it, but it's still Yeah, it's just 2258 02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:34,440 Speaker 1: really hard to replicate man. Yeah, there's no way to 2259 02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:37,720 Speaker 1: replicate it. It's just things that we can do to uh, 2260 02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's better than nothing, better than nothing, better 2261 02:12:40,440 --> 02:13:01,840 Speaker 1: than nothing. Okay, I think that's everything, Like folks stops 2262 02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:07,560 Speaker 1: Amber d