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We're 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.359 releasing two episodes this week, so be sure to check 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:56.239 out both for our full conversation. Hello, my name is 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.840 Jason Sepsio, and welcome to X ray Vision, the Crooked 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.400 podcast where we're deep it's your favorite shows, movies, comments, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:07.000 and pop culture. On episode two this week, the episode 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.160 you're listening to, we are talking to Shee Hulk head 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.440 writer Jessica Gal and we will be discussing She Hulk 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.600 episode six with it, which is a crazy crazy it 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.720 just goes crazy. The episode goes crazy. And we will 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:28.200 be discussing the latest entry in Star Wars television and 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.760 or episodes one through three or out now on Disney Plus, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.920 so we'll be talking about that in a more general 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.560 way to give you give you all time to digest 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.920 the episodes. Then we'll be going on a deeper dive 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.400 in weeks to come, and of course joining us today 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.040 is Rosie Dyke. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:46.720 It's me. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.200 I'm hey yeah. Let's go. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.000 As always, everyone, check the show notes for the time stamps. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.880 If you want to jump around and listen to the 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.200 things that you want to listen to. Let's go back 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.840 into the courtroom or the wedding, the wedding hall, whatever 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.839 the case may be, and talk about She Haul. Episode six, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.160 Episode six, Just Jen, written by Cara Brown directed by 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:17.160 Anu Vallia lots to get into quick recap. Jen has 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.760 to go to a wedding where she discovers that her 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:25.320 arch rival, her arch foe, Titanya, is also a wedding guest, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.000 and is this some sort of part of this some 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.400 sort of plot for Titanya to defeat Jen publicly in 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.239 front of everyone. And then back in the law firm, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:41.120 Mallory and Nicki are dealing with the case of a 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.440 gentleman who goes by the name of mister Immortal Dun 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:53.120 Dun Dun dud du Duh, who cannot die because you know, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.800 according to the comics, he's a flat out mutant and 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.599 he has been using this power to not die to 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:07.720 you fraud, various romantic partners and business partners by quote 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.960 unquote faking his death. Lots to get into, so let's 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.760 just get into it. Fun episode once again. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.120 This is just such a fun show, and I feel 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.880 like I'm really impressed by how much fun they have 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.800 digging into the weirder parts of Marvel. Like, obviously, mister Moore, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.880 that's a big deal. So technically he is everyone in 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.160 the Marvel universe sees him as a mutant, and technically 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.560 he is a mutant. But the thing that's really interesting 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:43.040 is he is the only member of the evolutionary race 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.279 known as the Homo Supreme, so he's like one above 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.160 a mutant, but he is for all extents and purposes 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.360 and presents as Homo Superior, which is a mutant. So yeah, 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.839 it's it. That's just like huge to have him here 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.720 and also just use it in such an absolutely hilarious 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.960 she Hulk way where it's like this guy has been 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.880 defrauding people he loves because he can't have confrontation by 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.640 just killing himself. It's like really bleak but also very 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:12.920 hilarious and very comic. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.520 Bookie, and he he is like this is an extremely 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.520 big episode in a lot of ways, because it shows 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:26.240 us not only that the creative team here obviously absolutely hilarious. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.880 But also this is the most comic book nerdy. Yeah, Like, like. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.279 He talks about when he's there, he's talking about how 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.440 he's got a lot of money, right, and part of 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.560 how he got a lot of money is because his 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.800 ex wife left him a bunch of gold Baroness Cromwell 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:47.240 aka Baroness Blood. So this is just like they were 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.160 just like, yeah, go for it. They were like, so, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:50.839 tell us, who are up. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.680 Tell us who Baroness Blood is, and then let's dive 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:58.320 into the really actually quite funny backstory of who mister 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.960 Immortal is, at least in the comic. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:06.560 Yeah. So, Baroness Blood is like a really weird, creepy 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.920 character who was first introduced hilariously in everyone's favorite comic 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.920 Uni and Jack Number one. So she's actually from nineteen 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.560 ninety eight, which isn't obviously that far away, but she 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.600 is part of now like most well known as a 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.560 part of the Legion of the Unliving, which is like 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.840 a group of vampires who were brought together by Dracula. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.400 So you can basically say, like we've had a Donnie 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.920 Blaze Johnny Blaze joke, in this season, we're now getting 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.200 into the realm where vampires probably exist. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.800 They're now just mutant surgery casually. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.800 Not only that, but as we as we guess, so 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.320 I'm taking this as we were right. We said post 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.560 Miss Marvel, what they were going to do was just 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.840 introduce random mutants here and there. They're gonna say, here's 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.280 a mutant, here's someone who's been living with these crazy powers, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.720 and we're just gonna build them into the the world. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.320 And that's exactly what they're doing with mister Immortal, and 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.480 with the way that they're just casually kind of dropping 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.840 in these things. I mean, Baroness Blood is like a supernatural, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.560 superpowered vampire. Makes sense that she would have married an immortal. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.119 I mean, that's a that's a her cup that works. 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.920 But basically you can now say that vampires one hundred 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.840 percent do exist in the MCU. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:31.800 Let me ask you this. My friends, comic book critic 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:37.640 and sports writer Matt Turtle DMed me and he was like, hey, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.320 I think you were talking about you and Rosie were 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.320 talking about why does Atlantis come to the fore. I 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.040 think they're going to do when they introduce mutants. I 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.439 think it's going to be similar to Atlanta's secret Society 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.080 Krakoa era, and they're all there and they reveal themselves 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.280 and then it's a question of how they, you know, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.800 then become part of the wider society of that's indeed 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.120 what they decide to do. I kind of agree that 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.200 I think Krikoa is going to be around. But here 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:12.400 is what the appearance of mister Immortal suggests that, because 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.480 if Krocola is a thing, then mister Immortal should be 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.640 on the island, like why are you unless he's just 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.960 like rejected the gift to you, Cricola, because he's already 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.360 immortals that he doesn't need the crocoon gift. Here is 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.400 my Here is the other thing that I think, and 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.600 it you know, kind of details with mister Immortal. I 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.080 do think that kroko exists, But I also think, like 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:42.560 Warren Worthington and others, in a way that would seem 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:48.840 insidious to the wider society, have infiltrated human culture. You 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.320 know or you know or are not, have not revealed 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.560 themselves to be mutants, but are around and are doing 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.040 things and are some of them are powerbrokers in human society, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:02.360 and I think that, uh, mister Immortal maybe points the 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.520 way at that. I agree it's mutants being around, but 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.679 have been kind of keeping it quiet for most of 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.959 human history until recently when it's like, oh, powered people 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.560 are around, maybe I can start being more obvious with 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:19.480 the things that I'm doing. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.960 No, mister Moore makes a lot of sense in that context, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.280 also because he's essentially living by what I like to 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.600 call like Twilight rules, where he's basically because he's been 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.679 alive for like a million years and he can never die. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.679 He's just immensely rich. So in its own way, especially 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.959 in America and in like capitalism kind of culture, you 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.079 have infiltrated the highest parts of society just simply by 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.679 being incredibly wealthy. So that's exactly that kind of thing. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.760 And also, as we know, if GLK and H didn't exist, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:59.720 these women and Sebastian probably would never have actually know 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.319 that he was immortal and hadn't actually died. And if 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.680 they had seen the video that we will get to, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.280 the Intelligencia video, they wouldn't have had a way to 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.160 get recompense. So I think that introducing this superhero law 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.600 firm is a really good way of seeding exactly what 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.560 you're talking about, where suddenly everyone's like, Okay, wait a minute, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.720 I had a weird experience with this person or that 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.680 thing that I saw that one time, was that it 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.199 was that it like that one time that I randomly 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.520 don't remember something that happened when I got like men 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.240 in blacked and then suddenly my memories white. Like oh, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.800 they said that was like retrograde amnesia, but maybe that 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.160 was actually like a mute and with mind control powers. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.880 So this is kind of huge in that way as 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.319 well as just being very fun. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.800 Yeah, because that that paranoia is is a thing that 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.280 we see a lot in X Men comics where parents 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.840 are like, oh my god, I think my child might 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.520 be a mutant. I think my coworker might be and 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.600 it and it creates this feeling of real fear in 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.680 the general population. I want to I want to note 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:10.600 that it's it's it's remarkable to me that one we 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.720 got mister immoral and he's just presented just as himself 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:20.200 with his powers, and no one at all has been like, 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.800 where did he get these? Where you're past the point 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.920 in the MCU where yeah, where did they get the 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:31.200 powers is really a question. They're just accepting that this 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.120 guy can do this, and no one has thought to ask, well, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.160 how can how is he doing this? 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.600 That's my favorite thing about where we are now. It's 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.760 almost like with that brilliant moment at the end of 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.280 Miss Marvel that we all loved so much, which was 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.600 you know, it's a mutation that has basically opened the 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:54.240 doors now for us as the viewers to just say, oh, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.840 well they might be a mutant. Oh everyone has powers now, 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.440 and it is giving a lot of leeway for the 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.320 show is to just say, hey, superheroes exist. You know 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.040 that you've been in this world for twenty five movies. 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.679 Now it's just happening. But yeah, I did find it, 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.679 especially a power like being immortal, Yeah, is a pretty 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:16.400 intense power to have. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.680 And nobody he's not an as guardian elf. No, he's 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.240 not a former super soldier, he was not you know, 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.120 subject to a radioactive accident. He's just running around with 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:32.440 these very intense and yeah, nobody's talking about. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.440 Making a mallory just like so you can die, you 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.040 can't die like do that like which one? Like, you know, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.400 it's very it's a very interesting time to be in 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:43.600 the MCUs. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:50.280 It's great. Yeah, okay, so so much. In that last 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:57.120 kind of stinger scene where you know, Jen is having 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.360 you know, the kind of the plate of frime at 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.640 the end of the wedding, after the big fight with Titania, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.120 kind of bonding with this guy who seems, you know, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.040 pretty accepting and certainly maybe attracted to Jen, and they're 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.280 they're sharing this plate of fries, and then we zoom 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.640 out and it's clear that somebody is keeping track of Gen. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.520 We go to a futuristic lab where there is a 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:26.480 screen where we see someone named Hulk King capitalized in 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.680 a very interesting way, certainly in a way that would 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.000 lead us to speculate about hulk cling hulk ling? Is 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.520 that what that means? Saying, okay, where are we with 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.400 with Jen? We should note that this is exactly how 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:46.080 mister Blue communicated with mister Green in h in the 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:51.080 Incredible Hulk movie starring Ed Norton. And then you know, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.800 we see the the bench needle that the wrecking crew 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.280 attempted to stab Jen with, and then we see another 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:05.840 needle being snapped onto a new syringe and it's early, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.160 but I'm gonna call we were right on this, the 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.920 adamantium needle because the sound effect the sound effect listen, 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:20.680 it might be vibradium, but the sound it was so distinct, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.520 and it led me to one in the comics, the 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.760 only thing that can penetrate the Hulk skin is an 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.920 adamantium needle. We've seen it, seen it numerous times in 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.960 the comics. And two, the sound it makes is very 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:38.200 much it's evocative. It's evocative of Wolverine's claw. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.560 Also, I would just say we were right. We can 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.160 do a two part we were right. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:44.000 One. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.560 I also agree, I think it has to be adamantium needle. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.320 They're just throwing mutants around now. I don't see any issue. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.400 We've had multiple wolverine stick like Easter eggs at this 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.480 point with stuff and magical but also as well, we 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.640 were right. We knew they would make a new needle 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.880 that would be made of some kind of super strong 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:06.200 metal adamantium or vibranium. So I will be yeah, I 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.720 would say we can take aw we were right. And 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.800 also if it's an adamantium needle, obviously that's so exciting 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.920 because most people who are listening, I think will probably 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.600 know Adamantium is the metal that covers Wolverine's bones and 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.280 his claws in the X Men comics, and in that 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.440 plays a large part in the in the X Men movies. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.320 So again we're moving towards that mutant space. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.600 Okay, so let's talk about two things here in that scene. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:34.040 One Hulk King. Who is he? Okay, who is he 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.440 or her? Who are they? 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.400 So? I think I think that you're very right that 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.000 they want it. Again, if we're talking about evocative stuff, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.440 I think they want it to evoke hulk Ling. It 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:50.000 looks the same. Also Hulk Link and hulk Ling is 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.920 Scroll Royalty, you know, so he is technically a Hulk King. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.960 I also think so. The reason that we know is 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.280 that another thing we need to talk about is the 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.440 way that it pops up. It is very evocative of 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.560 a website that we just saw, which was called the Intelligentsia, 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.440 which was kind of this MRA four chan esque website 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.320 where a lot of dudes would just told me how 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.160 much they hate Sheaholk and they want to kill Shee Hulk. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.400 But that in itself is really important because in the comics, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.120 the Intelligentsia was this villain knowledge sharing group that ended 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.680 up becoming a supervillain group, and they were the ones 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.520 who created Red Hulk, which you find out in twenty 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.680 ten's Hulk twenty three. They were the ones who convinced 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.400 Thunderbolt Ross to take the Hulk serum and become Red Hulk. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.560 So there's also that aspect where it's like, we thought 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.040 we're heading towards I think we're heading towards Red Hulk 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.280 slash Red she Hulk for sure. Yeah, yeah, And so 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.159 like is what I think is really interesting is we 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.080 thought Tim Blake Nelson the leader, was gonna be the 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.720 one kind of the Machiavelli and guy behind the curtain. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.520 He could be he could see himself because the Hulk King. 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.200 But I will also say he is a really good scientist. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.240 He could actually just be running that lab. And whoever 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.000 is actually behind this, who is the Hulk King? 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:08.840 You know? 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.159 For all we know this is I'm gonna throw out 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.240 a really out there one. Yeah, what if like in 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.600 the comics, so what if Bruce has gone back to Saka, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.920 Jen cannot Jen cannot get in touch with him? 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:23.119 Right? 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.400 Yeah, Tim foyl hatting this one, right? What if Scar 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.760 Hulk's son is already on Earth and is the one 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.160 who is doing all of this because he hates his dad, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.760 which is a very canon comic book thing. And he 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.160 is actually the one who's trying to find out about 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.920 how Hulk blood works. He's the one who's trying to 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.479 find out who she Hulk is. There's all different things 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.800 that could be coming into play here, and I kind 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.359 of I'm very impressed by how they took what we 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.159 thought was a pretty simple but with a lot of 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.800 fun stuff, Like we had the Elliot Franklin theory, we 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.520 had a lot of different fun stuff. But I love 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.160 that now they've turned it on its head and now 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.720 there's like ah other people because Intelligency has so many 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.239 Hulk villains in it too, so as well as like 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.040 modoc Red, Ghost, Doctor Doom, like all different kinds of people. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.960 So there's just so much here that they're playing with 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.800 that the whole King thing just kind of blew my 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.960 mind because I'm like, I need to know. And also, 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.480 isn't just one of these crazy Intelligency website guys who 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.879 just has a ton of money. I know one of 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.520 the discs in our discord. A lot of people have 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.600 been guessing that the guy who went on a date 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.080 with who was like a real creep who then ended 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.359 up at the office. Yeah, he might be the villain. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.960 And now we know that there's a whole king, super rich, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.120 wealthy like hate strong women, you know, so that would 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.320 also be really interesting. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:53.200 Chris producer Chris uh is raising a theory in the chat. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.080 Could Josh cute guy at the wedding who eat the 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:01.400 fries with in that moment in that you know, as 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.760 the secret camera wherever that's hidden, like zooms out and 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.280 we see that she's being observed, Josh is there with her. 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.000 Could Josh cute guy at the wedding end up being 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.360 a fake out name and he's actually the whole king. 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.360 I like that as well. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:18.240 I think Chris is definitely onto something. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.080 Because they introduced that guy in a way. He can't 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.280 be just like another nice thing exactly, and he knows. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:29.880 He goes in there with the exact specific attack of 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.639 I don't just like sheehowk I like gen which publicly 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.640 was just a huge thing in a lawsuit, And then 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.760 it seems very unlikely to me that he would. He's 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.240 got her in her gen form because he likes Jen. Yeah, 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.960 and he so that means you can get her blood 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.280 even without an adamantium needle. Potentially, but adamantium needle's a 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.919 good choice just because you don't know how someone's human 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.080 skin could take on its hulk skin form. But then 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.960 he's sitting right in the right place in front of 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.120 the camera so that she can be seen. I think 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.639 Josh is sadly at least intelligentsia. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:15.520 Adjacent adjacent. Yeah, I'll say this, we I don't think 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.840 it's the leader for the following reason. Just put a 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.960 syringe in your own arm, right, Okay, so he's that 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:28.040 you got the game blood? Is he being established? I'll 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.080 just say that we have established that gens blood is 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.520 super special and even in the context of gamma radiated blood, 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.520 it allowed Bruce to heal his arm. It has different properties. 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.760 That said, it feels like the leader would be focused elsewhere. 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:48.600 Maybe the Leader wants Gen's blood to cure himself because 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.800 he's like deformed and kind of messed up by it. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.760 But also, how would he know that Gen's blood is 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.439 bad blood? I think I think with the intelligentsia, the 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:03.440 whole king, I think that all leads to this idea 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.440 of somebody creating a Red Hulk or a red Shea Holk, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.240 which we had long wondered about, and I will just say, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.439 would be a very cool way to reintroduce liv Tyler 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.720 to the MCU, because Betty is Red she Holk in 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.040 the comics originally, and I just think that would be 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:18.600 so cool. 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:24.080 Do you think I agree with the jilted date as 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.880 being an intelligencier person? But do you think there's any 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.520 you think Modoc or any of the super ape or 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:30.879 any of the rest are involved in this. 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:35.760 I think that they. I think they have long they 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:40.600 have long talked about bringing Modoc to the MCU. I 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.520 think he's going to be in the MCU. I don't 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.000 think this is where, but I do think that knowing 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.439 she Hulk, we could see some super weird characters like 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.720 awesome Android and like other people who've been in the intelligentsia. 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.120 Oh yeah, so Chris just mentioned that he Yeah, Modoc's 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:01.200 confirmed in Quantumania. We've already seen some leaked mm HM 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:04.560 visuals of what potentially he could look like. But like, 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.639 I think that knowing Sheeholt, they're gonna go for the 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.840 weird now. Now, look, Modoc is very weird I'm not 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:20.560 saying that, but Modoch is unbelievably complex character to bring 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.320 to life. Yes, and I think that in Quantumania you 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.119 probably can dedicate a couple of years to somebody just 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.240 building Modoc and working out how he would look. You know, 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.840 if you haven't seen him, he's like basically a giant 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:34.560 floating head. 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:39.240 Producer Saul with a extremely tinfoil hat comes with I 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.440