1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Action Network. 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer at the Action Network. 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: This week a little Corona, just a little little bit 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: of Corona. Mostly what do professional gamblers do when there 5 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: is nothing to bet on? How do they live? How 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: do they make their living? Have they stocked away money? 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Have they thought about what life would be like without sports? 8 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Plus what are we thinking about for futures for the NFL? 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Will there be an NFL? All that and more with 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: two of my favorite podcast guests of all time, Darn 11 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Revel from the Action Network and Professional Better from New 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: Jersey sign Then Hunter Simon, what's going on, brother? You've 13 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: been traveling, so you're self quarantining. Tell the world where 14 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: you've been and what you've been doing. Usually the game 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: plan every year is as soon as the Super Bowl ends, 16 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: I like to just get away. I mean just a 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: break from because I don't I'm not following other sports. 18 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: I'm mainly just following the football during the season, and 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: it's just a day and every day you're preppering, you're 20 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: getting ready for the weekend and all the games. So 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: as soon as the season ends, I always take a 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: trip and this year I went to Maui and I 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: think I realized this was more serious than we were 24 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: people are taking it because when I landed in l 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: a X from I Connect, every person there had a 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: mask on, and when I'm going through Philadelphia and no 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: one had a mask on. So it's kind of funny 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: just seeing how different we were handling this in early 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: February than over there. Uh So, basically, when I get back, 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: it's usually for March Madness because like just like everyone else, 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a degenerate gambler. I love I love them 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: football ends because I can just have fun but another 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: sports and not really I'm not putting that much steak 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: into it. I'm just doing just having fun like everyone else, 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: like regular people. And when I got back, I think 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: that was in the next day they shut it all 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: down all sports, um, which I think everyone everyone's been shocked. 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it was necessary and it was probably well overdue, 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: but I think that's when reality really said him with 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: most most people that wow, this is this is pretty serious. 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: Now wait a second, and Darren, you should weigh in this. 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: Two you were in Maui for six weeks. No, no, 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: I wish I lived that good of the life. I 44 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: came back and then I went down to booker Vers Town. 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: All right, that makes so much more sense because if 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: you went to Maui at the right after the super 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: Bowl and didn't come back until when March Madness was 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be, then I would have thought, oh my god, 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: this guy is even a bigger player than I thought 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: he was. Yeah, yeah, some day in the future. But 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: now yet, my friend, Darren, how much did you miss Simon? 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: I missed her energy. I mean, listen, I'm a I'm 53 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: a real social person. I mean I like relationships. I 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: don't want to like virtual or zoom relationships. So this 55 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: is uh in the scheme of first world problems. I'm 56 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: fine and healthy. So is my family. Not being in 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: the office and not talking to people and not bothering 58 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: people bothers me. I will tell you that the three 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: things I have always feared most, and Simon, you might 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: be able to relate to this a little bit as 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: someone whose money is sort of always in play always 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: throughout my life since I had since I got married 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: and had kids, were everyone being healthy or them being 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: unhealthy and me being helpless to respond in anyway. Something 65 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: happening to my business in a catastrophic way, whatever business 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: I was in, that would make it impossible for me 67 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: to um make a living. This is interrrational fear that 68 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: I think parents have, which is my kids five creating. 69 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: When you have kids, you open a five twenty nine, 70 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: you are thinking eighteen years is forever, but college is 71 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: expensive and as it goes, sort of the years go on. 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: If you were lucky enough to sort of have a 73 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: job where you can put money away, or you get 74 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: gifts from family that are towards the five twenty nine, 75 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: like you see it grow and you get to a 76 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: point in your life like I am with a kid 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: who's sixteen, were like, you're feeling semi comfortable enough that 78 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: is in a place where you no longer have great 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: fears about how much college is going to cost. Honestly, 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I left ESPN to take a 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: job at Action is because I felt like thee was 82 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: in really good shape and it wasn't gonna matter, Like 83 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: over the next couple of years, I was gonna be 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: able to pay for whatever college my kids wanted to 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: go to. Uh, Like in early March or the middle 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: of this thing, Trump says we're going to open it Easter, 87 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: and that night was the worst night's sleep of my 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: life because all of a sudden there was going to 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: be people running around with no social distancing. So God 90 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: for bid, something happens to someone in my family and 91 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: they need a hospital and can't go there because it's 92 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: too crowded. We don't know like when sports is coming back, 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: but social distancing could be the lack of social distancing 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: would make it worse, And so we don't know when 95 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: action can sort of fully realize it's full potential again, 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: and the stock market is creating and I'm watching my 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: kids Factory nine get laid to waste again. Some of 98 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: these are high class problems, champagne problems, but some of 99 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: them are problems everyone has. So, Darren, when you're talking 100 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: about like not being able to communicate and connect to me, 101 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: that is on sort of the same plane as like 102 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: these things, where like that's what the distancing is doing. 103 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: It kind of makes you a little bit crazy. Yeah, 104 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing is that the most common 105 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: question I've gotten on radio interviews is, you know, how 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: bad is the sports industry? How is the sports industry 107 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: going to recover? And I keep reminding people that the 108 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: sports industry is just a very small part of everything 109 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: that's going on. If we don't have games until December 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: or something like that, I mean that really means our 111 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: economy for the most part is not working. So yeah, 112 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: people can work from home, but um, this is part 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: of everything that's going on, and and it is just Uh. 114 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: I've recently started to think about, well, how could we 115 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: get back, How could we get back with crowds, how 116 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: could we get back with with sports books. I just 117 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: talked to Ja Cornegie for a story we'll have up 118 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: uh and you know, at at the super Book, and 119 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: he said they have started to build out a a 120 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: manual for coming back. And I said, what does that 121 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: consist of? It consists of a new capacity for the casino. 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: There can't be people standing back by the stools like 123 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: they used to in in Vegas. Is biggest uh sports book? 124 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: Uh it it includes taking out every other chair, It 125 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: includes various things like they had the couches before, and 126 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: do they have to change the actual furniture construction. I 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: mean it is amazing to think can we get back? 128 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: But then the next step is what are we back? 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: As right? And I think I think people to need 130 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: to like come with terms that this isn't something that 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: just because we've we've spent a month or two here 132 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: just hanging out at home, that this is just gonna 133 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: go away. Like this is something we're gonna have to 134 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: get used to live with and things are just gonna 135 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: be different. But I do have faith that the NFL 136 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: that they're by far the craziest league, and who knows 137 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: if they care the least about their players, but they 138 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: definitely they definitely do shady things. And I think that 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: of all the leagues, I had the biggest faith in 140 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. Not if they start on time, but if 141 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: they start in November, we're gonna they'll be playing football 142 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: until March April. They don't care. But these owners, they 143 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: seem like they're gonna, they're they're set to get football. 144 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: It's so funny you say it, Simon. I said the 145 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: same thing, uh to some folks at Action today, Like 146 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: we look, we all desperately need as an industry, we 147 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: desperately need football is a betting industry, is a betting business. 148 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: We desperately need football. That is sort of I think 149 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: the north star that we're all pointing to when we 150 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: think about getting our businesses up and running again. Um. 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: And the one thing I have faith in is that 152 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: the NFL is the most mercenary of the league's and 153 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: the owners there have so much invested in their teams 154 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: and billion dollar stadiums in ways that are different than 155 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: anything else. And um, they will find a way. If 156 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: it takes buying a Caribbean island that is uninhabited and 157 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: building a stadium right now, and building a hotel right 158 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: now that can house every single person it takes to 159 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: pull off NFL games for thirty two teams, They're going 160 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: to figure that part out. That's I have faith in that. 161 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: When it happens, I don't know, but I have a 162 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: hundred percent faith that the NFL will be played at 163 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: some point this year as well. I just think we're 164 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: all hoping the best. Obviously, we're all in this business. 165 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: Like I have good friends guys I work with who 166 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: right now, obviously they may have put all Like most 167 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: of these guys are pros, they don't have all the 168 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: eggs in the basket they have literally they're playing with 169 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: a very small percentage of what they have to play 170 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: with it just because they're always long term players, but 171 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: I mean all these guys. I mean they're just getting ready. 172 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Most of these guys, they're just building up all the 173 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: data for their NBA season, for their hockey season, get 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: ready for the playoffs, which is a big money maker 175 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: in those two sports. And to see it all fall apart. 176 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: These these guys aren't I wouldn't say hurt financially yet, 177 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: but I would say that a lot of them. A 178 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: lot of these guys, the way they clean money is 179 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: through stocks, so a lot of them lost a ton 180 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: of money in stock where That's where I'm sure most 181 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: Americans are hurt right now. What would it take for 182 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: either of you to go to a stadium on September one? 183 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: You couldn't pay me to go. I feel like it's 184 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: too early because we don't know what this thing does 185 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: to people and and all this other stuff. But it 186 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: just seems like we, I think everyone's starting to realize 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: that life, it just isn't going to be the same 188 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: it was what it was before until there's a vaccine 189 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: and we know that you can't catch this thing twice 190 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I just can't see them having 191 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: fans this whole season. What do you think that does 192 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: to betting. I watched the Raptors Sixers Game six on 193 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: YouTube from the playoffs last year. I watched it with 194 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: my thirteen year old, and that was one where Kauai 195 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: hit that jumper from the corner and it looks like 196 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: he's swallowed by the crowd. And the fourth quarter of 197 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: that game is so emotional, and it's in Philly and 198 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: they're chanting defense, defense the whole time, and it feels 199 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: like everybody is on top of the players, on top 200 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: of the players game, and I was thinking, think about, 201 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that we'll ever see this again, and 202 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: I wonder how much of an impact that has unvetting, Like, 203 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: how much does the emotional element for you Simon as 204 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: you think about this is a better how much are 205 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: you gonna have to adjust for something like that? You 206 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: can make it justice. But the funniest thing to me 207 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: is gonna be if football does come back. Like a 208 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: lot of the guys I work for them talk to, 209 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: they do they use football like I do with off season, 210 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: like they might bet on it for fun or bet 211 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: a little bit here and there on it, but football 212 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: usually is they're off season and where they're getting ready 213 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: for m B a or an these other sports, and 214 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: it's just funny that they were saying that when it comes, 215 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: if it comes back, I just think it would be 216 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: such a huge amount of money will be coming in 217 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: on football that someone like me a pro it's the 218 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: best because, like as we've seen since it's become legalized, 219 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: these numbers get these these these numbers are shoot up 220 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: so high that it's it's really funny because the public side, 221 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: they just don't learn their lessons, where just like this 222 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: past season where the Ravens, I think there were temps, 223 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 1: they ended up being like a ten point nine and 224 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: a half point favorite versus the Titans, And if it 225 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: wasn't public betting, like a Vegas was hanging that line, 226 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: they probably would have kept it at seven or six 227 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: and a half. But now with the amount of money 228 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: that's coming in, it's just everything is really gonna be 229 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: due stuff. So I think that when when sports do 230 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: come back, has come back in a big way, especially 231 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: with gambling, a lot of people are gonna be betting. Well, look, Darren, 232 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: you can, you can skick to this. There's just massive 233 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: pent up demand. Yeah, I listen. I I think it'd 234 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: be interesting to see in the meantime, if the sports books, 235 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: who you know, not really doing much. You have the 236 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: DraftKings and the fan duels of the world going on 237 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: the daily fantasy side to do you know, ten thousand 238 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: dollar free to play UH contests. I don't really think 239 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: on the sports book side, Bella, Russian UH soccer and 240 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: ping pong are doing anything. But you know, it'd be 241 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: interesting to see if if states start to all over 242 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: the Department of Gaming Enforcements start to say you can 243 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: do political betting. I think that's a billion dollar plus market. Um, 244 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: So that'd be interesting in the meantime. But as far 245 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: as when we get back, I think we're going to 246 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: get back. The only question is how much disposable income 247 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: has been kind of let go from the market, and 248 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: you know, are people worried about how many people are 249 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: worried about their rent and real essentials that gambling doesn't 250 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: become part of it. I think as far as bouncing back, 251 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be one of those industries that's closest 252 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: to bouncing back to before than than any other. Hey Simmons, 253 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: I assume during the travels you kept up with all 254 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: the free agency news and the fact that Tom Brady 255 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: has left the New England Patriots and signed with the 256 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In your understand, yeah he did, he did, 257 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: am I breaking that news to you? That breaking news 258 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: in your estimation, who was more valuable to the pay tree? 259 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: It's against the point spread. I don't want to be 260 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: the guy that that beats down Brady because he like 261 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: I'd always repet you guys about how my system I 262 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: always do follow, but there are times, especially the players, 263 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: where I don't, just like in a Super Bowl where 264 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: my system like San Fran but it just doesn't understand 265 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: that Patrick Mahomes is one of the greatest quarterbacks we're 266 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: gonna see and this is just his coming out party. 267 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: So that's why I love the Chiefs. Where the same 268 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: thing as Brady over his whole career. I think he 269 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: had a couple of seasons like the one season to 270 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: for fifty the m v P. Obviously my system loved them, 271 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: but most years Brady is not really considered that great 272 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: of a like of a pub like. It's more of 273 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: those things where they they took advantage of his skill 274 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: set where he was quick getting the ball out there 275 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: shift your receiver's quick running backs where I think It's 276 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: gonna be funny to see how people people do this 277 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: because people kind of do doubt Bill Belichick for some 278 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: reason when he had those backups those four games, Um, 279 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: when Brady was out for the flake Gate, he went 280 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: three and one straight up and I think he was 281 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: four and against the spread. Where Like, he's just kind 282 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: of guy that he he makes everyone his team a chameleon. 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: They just turn can do whatever the style he needs 284 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: just for that exact game and game playing. So a 285 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: lot of people are doing these seasons total wins. Like 286 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the numbers at nine nine and a half of the Patriots. 287 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: It's one of those where you shouldn't really care about 288 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: the quarterback. You should just take it on the consistency 289 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: of what Bill Belichick has done in his career convinced 290 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: and why he should take the Patriot is over nine 291 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: and a half wins this year. I just think if 292 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: he would just look at the numbers of what Brady 293 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: did last season. I mean, people can go back to 294 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: that he didn't have the weapons, which you cannot argue 295 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: they lost the Hall of Fame tight ends and they 296 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: stuck in a thirty four year old tight end and 297 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: thought maybe that would make a difference. It's just that 298 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: they definitely let down Brady with not getting them weapons, 299 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: and that's probably one of the one of the many 300 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: reasons he left them. But I just think with a quarterback, 301 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: if they can put in a harrier or this kid, 302 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: I think is extend him this this kid that was 303 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: the backup b Sure, it's if he can just not 304 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: lose them the game, just like Brady was early in 305 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: his career. I really think you're gonna see this is 306 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: gonna be like the early two thousand Patriots team where 307 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: it's a really great defense with good leaders like they 308 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: had with Teddy Bruski back then, and it's a little 309 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a little different than it used to be. 310 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: Like that playoff game they were only losing whatever was 311 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: I think it was like fourteen thirteen or something like that. 312 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: It's like, I think they felt let down by Brady 313 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: that he go and put up thirteen points at home 314 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: and then might have gone into why they let him go. 315 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: So that's why that that low number of nine a half, 316 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: he just has to get to ten. It doesn't feel 317 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: like that's that many wins in that division. Yeah, I 318 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: remember Jared's stid him because he's the guy who threw 319 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: the interception that costs me a lot of money relative 320 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot of money. I don't have faith in Jared's 321 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: did Brian Hoyer maybe a little bit more? All right? Well, then, Simon, 322 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: what about some of the other moves, Like when you 323 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: you're starting to think about this, Obviously there's an advantage 324 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: to betting some of these things early if you feel 325 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: like you're ahead of the curve. So looking at the 326 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: free agency moves, have there been totals? Have there been 327 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: future z odds that you're like, yeah, I am totally 328 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: jumping on this. Um. I mean, I can go into detail. 329 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things that my mentor taught me 330 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: really early on, which is really interesting about football and 331 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: not unmost people take advantage of, is that the Patriots, 332 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: you gotta throw them out everything they do, they break 333 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: all the rules. They're not good thing to base your 334 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: system on the things you rely on. But the thing 335 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: to look at for futures is that the NFL set 336 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: up that these rookie contracts is what make and break teams. 337 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: It's a smart front office. They get a good rookie 338 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: on a good deal and they can fill in their 339 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: defense and offense with that extra money. So if you 340 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: just go through the last couple of years, um, I 341 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: mean the second third year QB method, you can find 342 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: like good. It's it's mainly find quarterbacks in the second 343 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: third year in an offensive system. So if we go 344 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: last year, second third year with San Prance, I think 345 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: they are fifty two one at this time to win 346 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So that's crazy good value. The year 347 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: before the Rams, which they weren't great value. That's again 348 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: that's the second third year quarterback in golf on a 349 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: rookie contract, so they had the kind of value i'd 350 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: bet on them just I think they might have been 351 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: twenty to one or fifteen to one. And then the 352 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: year before that where the Eagles, where it was Carson 353 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: one second year, I think, so he's on a low 354 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: cheap deal, they can spend that money out and they 355 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: might have been thirty to one to get to the 356 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: super Bowl. So it's it's one of those that you 357 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: you look at the numbers and you always have to 358 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: look for value on quarterbacks are on rookie contracts and 359 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: where's that value at. So this year it's not great 360 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: because a lot of these guys don't look like they 361 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: have this kind of upside that these other quarterbacks have had. 362 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: But some off shore books have the Denver Broncos a 363 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: plus five thousand five. That's not a terrible value. I 364 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: know that they're in the Chief's division and that's a 365 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: big fear with this. But the way the NFL is 366 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: sitting up now is that the it's all about the 367 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: one seed. So it's kind of like every team is 368 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: not gonna have great value. If you're betting like the Chiefs, 369 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: like you might get them plus six hundred. Sure, that's 370 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: good value for works out you want to is really 371 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: long shot, so you can just head you out later 372 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: on you're not looking for so you can get the 373 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: Chiefs later on the season for a good number. There's 374 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: no point of time your money up if it's not 375 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: a long shot right now. So I do like the 376 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: Broncos that big number. And I also like just just 377 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: throwing it out there as a card and it was 378 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: a plus five thousand, Dude, I was gonna ask you 379 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: about them that they fit that pattern of what you're 380 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: talking about perfectly, right, and like these are the kind 381 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: of things you're looking for. It's like, Okay, we got 382 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: a quarterback here, that's a ton of upside. He's learning 383 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: an offense. This will be a second year in the offense, 384 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: and the team is obviously supporting him by bringing in 385 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: a different running back last year that finished a really 386 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: strong for them, then bringing in New Hopkins, which is 387 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: still argument a lot of people say the best receiver 388 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: in the game. So it's just one of the things 389 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: where it's a nice little set up for Everson. I 390 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: know people are worried about that division because it is 391 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: by far the best division in football, but I think 392 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: they really showed that they're pretty good. They won five 393 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: games last year that division, so they showed up for 394 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: his rookie year. Uh. I have two other teams I 395 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: want to ask you abouts I think they fit into this, 396 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: but one is a little bit unorthodox and the other 397 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: fits in perfectly. The first one which fits in perfectly 398 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: are the Buffalo Bills, who are everything you just described 399 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: to a t with Josh Allen. So if you're saying no, 400 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: it's because you don't believe in Josh Allen, and it's 401 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: it's a funny thing where a lot of people are 402 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: hanging on the Bills And I'm gonna drink the pool 403 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: again I'm gonna go like the Jets this year. I 404 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: just I just liked the direction that Jets are going. 405 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: I know this this might be a year early because 406 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: Sam Donald's just deal with a lot of stuff last 407 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: year and they have not having an off season this year. 408 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: But from what I've seen from Josh Allen, I mean, 409 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: he is a great quarterback when he runs and he 410 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: can chuck it deep, but it's how reliable is that 411 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: style to get gets you on a good run. It's 412 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: not if you know, he's really one of those guys 413 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: where it's like he could be good value on this 414 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: kind of bet. But they just make me nervous for 415 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: that division because I just I still up can't see 416 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: them being out the Patriots to want it. I have 417 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: one more team I want to ask you about, but Darren, 418 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to hog it. If you have a 419 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: question you want to throw in there right now, no, 420 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: I'll let you go. So the other team is, by 421 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: the way, Matt Mitchell, our producer, who is a massive, 422 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: massive UH Bills fan, just slacked me and said, fucking 423 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: imagine choosing Adam Gaze over Buffalo Matt Mitchell is as 424 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: I actually love their head coach. I get what he's saying. 425 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: He's a he used to be on the Eagles. He's 426 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: a good dude. But I just there's something about Josh 427 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: Allen that they just I don't know. I'm just not 428 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: there yet. On all right, let me throw a wild 429 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: card at you then, because this guy is had a 430 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: traditional second third year quarterback, but he is still relatively 431 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: early in his playing career. Teddy Bridgewater and the Carolina Panthers, 432 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be hard to say because that that 433 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: offense is going to be stacked with weapons. They have 434 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: a ton of really speedy receivers, and they have maybe 435 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: the best running back in football. And I think I 436 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: said a couple of couple of times last year in 437 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: the podcast, Teddy Bridgewater against the spread is one of 438 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: the greatest gifts we've ever gotten from the Game of Gods. 439 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's seventy that he covers, but 440 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: it's it's something pretty insane like that that Teddy just 441 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: always covers. But in that division with the Saints and 442 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: the Bucks in Atlanta, it's it's really hard just that 443 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: unless unless you want to just do it. Throw a 444 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: penny on it, because I know some books have them 445 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: a crazy good od. It's like plus ten thousands throwing 446 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Um, why not? But it's just the 447 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: way that division lined up, it would take them a 448 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: couple of miracles to get get that top seed. All right, Uh, 449 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: let's do Uh. The guys that everyone had faith in 450 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: last year, they were horrendously under They were who they 451 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: are who they we thought they were. They are who 452 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: we thought they were, The Cleveland Browns. Yeah, and I 453 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: remember us laughing and joking about it early in the 454 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: season last year. I told you, guys, just for years, 455 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: I know plenty of guys that always say that, they go, 456 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the year the Browns. You'll get 457 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: good value on them all year, just because people are 458 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: gonna get betting against them. And a flip last year 459 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: where people people started back in the Browns early in 460 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: the year and I left, you, guys, you're gonna get 461 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: so much value. I'm ben against these Browns because I've 462 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: just been to it last year and going in this year, 463 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: they're they're they're trying to upgrade, which is their big mistake. 464 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: Last years they got rid of some of their best 465 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: offensive alignments because they thought, hey, we got O'Dell, we 466 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: got Landry. All you have to do is just the 467 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: ball in their hands. Are things be fine? But Baker 468 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: he regressed terribly last year, especially when you look at 469 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: the numbers. His numbers of him in the pocket were terrible, 470 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: eve when you had a protection. So it's one of 471 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, if you're a fan of the Browns, 472 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: share throw opening on them, but don't waste your money 473 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: ever betting on Brown's futures. They have the future. Oh Simon, 474 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: that is that is not That's like a nail in 475 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: the coffin kind of line there. That doesn't give any 476 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: of the Browns fans listening to this much hope. So 477 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: here's what I want you to do. I want you 478 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: to give Let me tell let me tell you the scenario. 479 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: Let me set the scene for it. I'm in my 480 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: spacious office in my mansion in Connecticut, uh, defending myself 481 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: against the coronavirus, and my thirteen year old son is 482 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: in my office hanging out with me. When we get 483 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: the news that the Bears have traded for Nick Foles, 484 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: and I immediately say to him, do you think Nick 485 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: Foles is going to be the starting quarterback? And he 486 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: said to me, what about Rubinsky? And my response was, 487 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: oh my god, I forgot about Mitch Trobisky. That's how little. 488 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: That's how little I think of Mitch Trobiski. Does Nick 489 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: Folds as a potential starter give you more confidence in 490 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: the Bears as a Super Bowl value pick for futures? 491 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: My only worry about the Bears is they I mean, 492 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: everyone knew they were gonna breast last year. That's just 493 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: how football is. It's it's just so hard year in 494 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: a year out to just keep repeating over ten win seasons. 495 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: And that's why I like guys like Drew Brees, Tom 496 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: Brady they've been in this league forever because they're just 497 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: guys who just keep doing it every year. When we 498 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: were talking about Mitch last year, it kind of looked 499 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: like the book was out on him, but he couldn't 500 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: keep getting away with his first reads and then he 501 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: would scramble for a bunch of yards. So I think 502 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: it is kind of one of those spots where they're 503 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: bringing Nick Foles either to push them or if Nick 504 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: out performs them, will gladly let Nick become the star. 505 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: They don't have money tied up to Trabisky. That he's not. 506 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: He's expendable, So it is interesting what they're gonna do 507 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: with that. Is Nick coming and take his job or 508 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: is you just there support him. Here's my last question 509 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: for your science. If there is no fook in the fall, 510 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: how much will that impact you? Do you start planning 511 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: for that? Now? As a professional gambler, how do you 512 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: start thinking about I might not have an income, I think, 513 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean, i'd be r right, like I always joke, 514 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: like with the guys that work with like, the goal 515 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: is always to set yourself up that you can have 516 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: five losing seasons in our row and you're still you're 517 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: still You're still all right. So it's one of those 518 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: when you're a long term better and you're building a 519 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: bank roll, that's all you're doing is you're you're you're 520 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: picking spots where I'm either going huge on this game 521 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: and I have another couple of games. I'm just putting 522 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: a dime on them. But it's someone that built a bank. Well. 523 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: The biggest way is just just like everyone else, time 524 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: is always the most dangerous thing with everyone. It's just 525 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: if you just have too much time in your hand. 526 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: I think everyone can go a little crazy. So that's 527 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: the only where you go, What What'll I do when 528 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: football comes around? Because right now and I'll be able 529 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: to distract myself prepared for the season running numbers on 530 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: these players coming to the draft. And it is funny 531 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: where that that is a big worry because I'm preparing 532 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: my mind that, yeah, there could not be a season, 533 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: but I'm also just thinking myself, I might as well 534 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: use this time to get ready for the season instead of, 535 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: you know, just waiting until their word comes out there 536 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: there won't be a season. But I think that the 537 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: biggest things, especially the guy that I worked with and 538 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: talk to you you, is that they're just they're just worried 539 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: that sports might come back and we'll they'll be able 540 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: to get back to making a living. But they're just 541 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: where that people aren't going to have It's not not 542 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: that they're gonna have money to be gambling, but that 543 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot different than it was right 544 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: before where a lot of us were getting in all 545 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: of our sports. We're getting really great value just because 546 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: the public was so flushed with money and just was 547 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: really really betting big in the past season. Like I 548 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: think New Jersey is out out during Vegas a couple 549 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: of times these last couple of months. It's really become 550 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: like a mecca for gambling. Five of twelve months. That yeah, 551 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: that's incredible, and it's just because New York just hasn't 552 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: legalized it, so it just it's just them coming down 553 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: in the Jersey making these bets, and it's just really 554 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: it's really helped people like me where last season was 555 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: one of my better seasons I've ever had with betting underdogs. 556 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't get over how big some of 557 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: these lines got. And it made me laugh because I 558 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: think the season before it was the Buffalo Bills were 559 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: playing the Bike Tings or something like that, and I 560 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: love like last year and the year before I loved 561 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: the Bills defense, and the Bills were seventeen point underdog 562 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: and they killed Star Cousins and the Vikings, and it's 563 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: just one of those where I laught. I mean, you 564 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: can't imagine you're getting whatever it was, plus a thousand 565 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: or plus eight hundred or anything on the dog, and 566 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: it's just like, I can't believe money lines are getting 567 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: in this big just because the public's betting these numbers 568 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: up so big. You know, today is actually the day 569 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: that the New York state budget comes into a picture. 570 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: And you know, just in February we were arguing, you know, 571 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: the true doomsday would be if Andrew Cuomo didn't start 572 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: doing mobile sports betting. And here we are on April one, 573 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: and it's like not even a topic. So it looks 574 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: like sports betting is out. But of course it's a 575 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: moot point. But I do also wonder in this scenario, 576 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: it's very possible that a lot of state rules are 577 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: amended to account for the emergent situation that we're all in. 578 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: And in two months, when New York is hopefully on 579 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: the other side of the peak, they're evaluating the budget 580 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: and being, oh my god, where we have so many 581 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: revenue shortfalls, Let's figure out the sports betting thing right away, 582 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: because there is so much money coming in on Jersey. 583 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: Cuomo can't be as picky as he once was. And 584 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: if it is, and we didn't know this, if it 585 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: is a vice kind of thing, well, you know, yeah, 586 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: it's a It's a completely different conversation in May than 587 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: it was in January. There are people that are looking 588 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: for action. Of course, you can do the draft, and 589 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: you can do all these futures everything like that, where um, yeah, 590 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: it's good. It's good to do futures right now, especially 591 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: if you're just hanging out. It's fun to have something 592 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: look forward to. But it's it's definitely one of those 593 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: times where you just have to make sure if you're 594 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: if you're betting better on legal books, try to not 595 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: to do off shore because you don't know what's gonna 596 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: happen with all those off shore books. See Simon is 597 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: advocating for legal books, which is what the Action Network does, 598 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: and he didn't even know he had to do that, 599 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: which we really appreciate. But Darren, I want you to 600 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: the last word because Simon brought up something really interesting. 601 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: Hold on, go back on you for a second till 602 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm done. It was really interesting. He talked about New 603 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: Jersey outpacing Nevada, which you mentioned they've done five or 604 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: last world months, which is amazing. And the second thing 605 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: is how big does betting come back. Simon worries that 606 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: there won't be enough for quittery in the market, whereas 607 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: I think you and I would probably have a different take. 608 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: It's the cost to value ratio, and so I would 609 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: say that the dollar costs more to people now because 610 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: they have less of it, but the value might be 611 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: greater because they missed it so much. I mean that's 612 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: really the equation that you have to consider, right, So, so, 613 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: how stir crazy have people gotten and how much more 614 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: do they value the fun of gambling than before where 615 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: they took it for granted? But I think gambling is 616 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: going to be majorly up relative to other businesses at 617 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: least say that might not be gangbusters, but it will 618 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: be up. Yeah, I don't disagree. I do think football, 619 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: if that's the first part back, I think it'll be 620 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: huge because I think people are gonna be at and 621 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: and that would be big. I just think across the 622 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: board other sports, like all the other guys I talked 623 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: to and work, but they've they've just been talking about 624 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: how much better the lines have been for value. I 625 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: think it's really gonna other sports, not football, beause football 626 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: is me the first one out of the gate. People 627 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: people will have money most likely to burn, especially people 628 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: that have just not been spending money on other stupid 629 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: things like they usually would like going on vacation and 630 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: buying nice things. Like they might have money they're they're 631 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: willing to use on football, but I just think other 632 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: sports are deltly gonna take a dip. Simon Hunter professional better, 633 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: Dan Ravel, You're a professional something in my heart, buddy. 634 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: It was good to have you both back on the podcast. 635 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: I felt like I needed to connect with you. This 636 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: was nice and company for me. This has been the 637 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: favorites from the Action Network. Downloaded, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, 638 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Until next time, I love you.