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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.

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Speaker 2: Sit is Tuesday, December thirtieth, and we have an update

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Speaker 2: on the Christmas Day sexual assault lawsuit filed against Tyler Perry.

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Speaker 1: After some newly revealed.

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Speaker 2: Text messages have made their way to the public, his

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Speaker 2: accuser has some explaining to do, and he is explaining

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Speaker 2: himself and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 2: and TJ Roates.

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Speaker 1: How much does this change the story?

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Speaker 2: We've seen this plenty sexual assault accusers, Right, they make

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Speaker 2: an accusation and then something comes out where they remained

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Speaker 2: friendly with their alleged accuser.

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Speaker 1: How does this change a story like this?

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Speaker 3: So I don't think that because the texts are friendly,

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Speaker 3: that that changes anything, because you are correct. We have

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Speaker 3: seen this plenty of times, and we've heard from experts

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Speaker 3: who say this is common behavior from people who have

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Speaker 3: been victimized. They for some reason try to maintain a

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Speaker 3: cordial relationship with their accused abuser. But to me, these

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Speaker 3: texts reveal something a little bit more than that, because

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Speaker 3: in them, he's painting a sad picture of his life.

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Speaker 3: He's asking for money, so it shows his state of

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Speaker 3: mind as recently as August.

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Speaker 4: Of this year.

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Speaker 2: And that's a problem because He claimed in his lawsuit

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Speaker 2: that he cut off he cut off communication with Tyler

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Speaker 2: Perry years ago because.

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Speaker 1: Of the alleged abuse.

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Speaker 2: So we will get into those very big points, but

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Speaker 2: I guess worlds, we need to go back for folks

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Speaker 2: who aren't familiar. Christmas Day, Tyler Perry gets hit with

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Speaker 2: a seventy seven million dollar lawsuit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is an aspiring actor and model. His name

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Speaker 3: is Mario Rodriguez. He claims that from twenty fifteen to

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, Tyler Perry made unwanted sexual advances towards him.

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Speaker 4: He says that he was sexually.

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Speaker 3: Making claims of sexual abuse and sexual battery, and he

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Speaker 3: claims at one point that Tyler Perry even reached down

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Speaker 3: into his pants and grabbed his penis and then shoved

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars in his I guess.

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Speaker 4: Pockets as he was leaving, putting him in an uber.

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Speaker 3: So he describes this awful thing, and eventually after that

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Speaker 3: incident boom, he cuts off communication with Tyler Perry. And

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Speaker 3: he said Tyler Perry occasionally would text him over the

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Speaker 3: years beyond that. But the text messages that we just

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Speaker 3: were shown show a very different story. It shows Mario

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez reaching out to Tyler Perry, not the other way around.

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Speaker 2: And again that flies in the face of credibility and

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit that already maybe had some issues, including misspelling

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Speaker 2: the movie studio that you're also accusing in this lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: So this just flies in the face of credibility. But Robes,

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Speaker 2: we do have to make the point that we have

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Speaker 2: seen things like this before that is not uncommon.

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Speaker 1: To But let's go through now.

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Speaker 2: We will share with you the text and we should

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Speaker 2: also say where these are coming from. The Associated Press

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Speaker 2: that they got their hands on these. They're not revealing

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Speaker 2: their source, but these are screen grabs from text messages

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Speaker 2: that they've seen again the AP. And again we're talking

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Speaker 2: about who the accuser is because the accuser has put

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Speaker 2: his name on this lawsuit. It's not something we normally do.

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Speaker 2: But Mario Rodriguez, but these are the text messages now

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Speaker 2: that have come out and are in question. And it

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Speaker 2: should be said, I mean he's acknowledging that these are real.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, he's not denying that these are real.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he made a statement about these text messages

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Speaker 3: particularly so yes, actually, if you want to, he confirmed

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Speaker 3: essentially the validity of them by reacting to them and

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Speaker 3: actually defending them.

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Speaker 1: But how many in total do we have?

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Speaker 5: I have?

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Speaker 3: So there's an exchange from Thanksgiving of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: and then there's basically a bunch of texts from Mario

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez to Tyler Perry on August thirty first of this year.

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Speaker 4: So two different text exchanges. The first one we'll start.

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Speaker 4: I guess we'll just do kron a lot.

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving of twenty twenty four, So just a year ago,

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Speaker 3: Mario Rodriguez wrote this to Tyler Perry. You know that

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Speaker 3: I love you and I thank you for everything. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate you to the moon. You got my Mexican ass

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Speaker 3: out of a lot of bad places, and I just

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Speaker 3: want to tell you thank you. I can't buy you anything,

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Speaker 3: but I just want to tell you that your boy

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Speaker 3: right here appreciates you more than anything. Straight from my heart. Bro,

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Speaker 3: Nothing I wouldn't do for you.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, enjoy your time and I hope to see you

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Speaker 3: again soon.

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Speaker 2: And again, from all accounts, this is unsolicitou It's not

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Speaker 2: like he's responding to something from Tyler Perry. And again

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Speaker 2: his lawsuit, he claims he stopped reaching out to the gap.

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Speaker 4: That is correct.

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Speaker 3: So this flies in the face of that, because again,

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Speaker 3: this is Thanksgiving of twenty twenty four. Tyler Perry responds

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Speaker 3: in this text exchange and says, happy Thanksgiving, my friend. Yep,

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Speaker 3: you've been through it. I'm glad you're doing well. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to give me a thing or pay me

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Speaker 3: a thing. I'm just glad you're good. And then Mario

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez responds, I'm still going through it, but you know me, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm a survivor just like you are. And I'm glad

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Speaker 3: that you're my friend and I love you, bro respectfully.

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Speaker 2: All Right, again, you look at that, and somebody's accusing

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Speaker 2: someone and asking them for demanding seventy seven million dollars,

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Speaker 2: that text exchange will be brought up in a lawsuit

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Speaker 2: in a courtroom and go to his state of mind. Now,

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Speaker 2: both sides will argue differently, right, but that is clearly

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Speaker 2: what friendly.

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Speaker 1: It was unsolicited.

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Speaker 3: I would say it's more than friendly. It was loving,

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Speaker 3: It was grateful, it was appreciative. Look and look if

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Speaker 3: he says he took cut off all communication in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: this is twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: This is five years later, So I think.

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Speaker 2: I take more issue with that discrepancy versus what's in

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Speaker 2: the content of this, Because how many freaking messages did

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Speaker 2: we go through in the damn Diddy trial? How many

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Speaker 2: times do we read loving messages that came periods in

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Speaker 2: time and years after he's physically abusing people. So I

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Speaker 2: guess the content's not surprising, but the time is.

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Speaker 1: I'm scratching my head.

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Speaker 4: Bout correct correct? I agree?

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Speaker 3: And then as recently as August thirty first, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: this is the text message. Actually, the effusive one wasn't

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Speaker 3: as big of a deal to me. This one is.

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Speaker 3: So this was just from a few months ago. This

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Speaker 3: is from Mario Rodriguez to Tyler Perry. Brother, haven't been

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Speaker 3: feeling okay, confused and ill, nauseous?

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Speaker 4: I got blood work.

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Speaker 3: Thinks it's my teeth. I know it's none of your business, IDK,

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Speaker 3: what do I know? I promise you I would never

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Speaker 3: ask you for anything. But if it is what I

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Speaker 4: Scared a f.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get sepsis like my dad and

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Speaker 3: pass away. I don't even want to mention it because

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Speaker 3: I don't want to make it real.

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Speaker 4: I feel sick most days.

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Speaker 3: Never told anybody this, but my mom and everybody is

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Speaker 3: starting to notice my broke ass.

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Speaker 4: Don't have insurance.

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Speaker 3: I'd never like, I'd never lie to you, but I

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Speaker 3: think that's what's wrong. My dentist is supposed to take

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Speaker 3: for fraud. I've always been healthy, but lately I've been

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Speaker 3: waking up confused and dizzy.

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Speaker 4: And a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I just can't go to the doctor because I can't

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Speaker 3: even afford it. I don't want anything. I just want

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Speaker 3: to be Okay, scared brother, was there a.

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Speaker 1: Response that they knew from.

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Speaker 3: So if Tyler Perry stopped responding to him, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if that's the case, But if there was no

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Speaker 3: that's problematic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you gotta give and we always, always, always right,

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Speaker 2: want to give space for the accuser and what their

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Speaker 2: experience might have been, and that's fine.

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Speaker 1: We will leave that open.

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Speaker 2: We have to put together a very big butt here,

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Speaker 2: because you're talking about August thirty, first of this year.

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Speaker 2: The other lawsuit was what June that the other actor,

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Speaker 2: Dickson two hundred and what sixty.

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Speaker 1: Million or something on a lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Now, this guy, Mario Rodriguez, has admitted that once he

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Speaker 2: saw that lawsuit filed, that is what put him in

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Speaker 2: the mindset of, Wow, this is happening to other people.

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Speaker 2: I need to speak out, I need to say something.

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Speaker 2: But you had three months and in that three months

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Speaker 2: you asked Tyler Perry for something. You asked him for

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Speaker 2: financial help in that time.

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Speaker 1: Rose. That doesn't bode well, it doesn't look.

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Speaker 4: And we don't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: The only two people who know what happened are Mario

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Speaker 3: Rodriguez and Tyler Perry. But these text messages are a

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Speaker 3: window into at least his mindset in August, and it

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Speaker 3: doesn't jibe with what he is saying in his lawsuit

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Speaker 3: in terms of what his mindset was when he first

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Speaker 3: saw the news about Derek Dixon's lawsuit in June and

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Speaker 3: what we're hearing from him now on Christmas Day when

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Speaker 3: he filed this lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Everything he filed in that lawsuit, even if it's true,

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Speaker 2: this looks bad for your argument was moved because this

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Speaker 2: is happening to other young men, So I need to

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Speaker 2: speak out, I need to say something, And.

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Speaker 1: You're the thing he was thinking about first though he knew.

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Speaker 4: About the lawsuit, of course in.

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Speaker 2: Junely he's got three four months that he knows about

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Speaker 2: this lawsuit, and he didn't think about filing his own.

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Speaker 2: He didn't think about other young men, He didn't what

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Speaker 2: not at that time at least, or maybe he was

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Speaker 2: maybe this was a way to maybe maybe he'll hook

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Speaker 2: me up. Maybe this was his way of, now, let

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Speaker 2: me stop saying maybe ropes that is just for an attorney.

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Speaker 2: They are going to hold on through that text messag.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it looks like a fishing expedition after you see

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Speaker 3: that somebody is already now vulnerable and now not wanting

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Speaker 3: probably any more negative press or certainly anything that would

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Speaker 3: act as though this was a pattern of behavior. So yes,

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Speaker 3: he reached out at a time where clearly Tyler Perry

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Speaker 3: his own needs medically and financially, and that can't be ignored.

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Speaker 2: Or I'm laughing because I stopped myself. I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm never mind and you flat out said it, So

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Speaker 2: this is a fishing expedition. That is exactly the thing

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Speaker 2: I stopped, and I wasn't gonna speculate and then you

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Speaker 2: just boom. But no, that's the point it's gonna come

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Speaker 2: off to somebody like he's testing the waters, correct, right,

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Speaker 2: This is he knows and maybe I can do something

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Speaker 2: to him. So let me just kind of drop this

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Speaker 2: to That is how it's going to be spun by

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Speaker 2: his attorney. And his attorney has been talking and talking plenty.

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Speaker 2: He's talking again about these new revelations.

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Speaker 1: But here's the.

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Speaker 2: Thing, folks, he ain't saying a whole lot different than

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Speaker 2: he said the first time that this is a flat

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Speaker 2: out money grabbing scam. Stay here, all right, folks, we

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Speaker 2: continue here on Amy and TJ. I guess I should

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Speaker 2: probably just let you take it from here. I'm trying

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Speaker 2: absolutely saying it and keeping it real and saying what

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are thinking. Robes and dealing with

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Speaker 3: Yes, I believe so, and I do think I've said

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that abuse didn't happen. Those messages were

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Speaker 1: True. Yes, agreed, everything he said is true.

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Speaker 2: Someone else could look at that and say he's well

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Speaker 3: I don't think most people are now at this point

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Speaker 4: That we have absolutely seen cases of that.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that's what the problem is for

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Speaker 3: It's not about him being grateful. It's not even about

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Speaker 3: This is about the inconsistency of what he said in

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Speaker 4: Reaching back out to him.

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Speaker 3: This basically reveals something very different than what he was

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Speaker 2: Yes, he gave us this is a different direction. It

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Speaker 3: I would think if I were Tyler Perry, I would

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Speaker 3: Tyler Perry hasn't said anything correct about this in particular,

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Speaker 4: Attorney, who I love what Alex Spiro said. I said

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Speaker 3: This is nothing but a seventy seven million dollar money

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Speaker 1: End of statement period. What else you need to know?

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Speaker 1: That is all they're saying.

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Speaker 2: And this guy remind me it was Alec Baldwin jay

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Speaker 3: He has some incredible experience with some heavy hitters being

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Speaker 2: I don't know where this goes from here. Again, it

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Speaker 4: It's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge This can't be a bigger name out

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Speaker 1: This isn't just a celebrity.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who has created shows, he has

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Speaker 2: He does, and so this is a very important story.

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Speaker 1: About the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Robes drinking alone has been banned in a bar. Yes, folks,

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Speaker 2: is a by all means, stick with us. We always

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Speaker 2: appreciate you spending some time, but for now I'm TJ

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