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Speaker 1: Whatever, hoof, it's over and they have to.

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Speaker 2: It's not a word.

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Speaker 3: It is a word, Phil when from Australia, a fellow

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Speaker 3: AUSSI Phil in fact, which tournament has the best court

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Speaker 3: speed for spectators to watch?

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Speaker 1: That's hard.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to answer grass. Everything should be on grass.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's gonna be a new Berlin grass the

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Speaker 1: I know it instead of Burlingham.

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna play?

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Speaker 2: Did you play tournament when I was there?

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Speaker 1: I lost to Schwei.

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Speaker 2: Poung Pung who's still playing. You're both still playing. That

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Speaker 2: is a beautiful country club too. It's not a country club,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like in the fancy party.

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Speaker 2: It's clue, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna play it?

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Speaker 1: I guess if I'm still playing tennis.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna play. I'll come work.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna played. I played there many times. It was

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Speaker 2: It used to be on and it used to be

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Speaker 3: I was like, what the Berlin's like practically in Poland,

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Speaker 3: so like when people are like Germany, you know, people

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Speaker 3: longitudes of things. Yeah, well yeah, but most Americans don't

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Speaker 3: live from the thirtieth latitude in Berlin. No, but I

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Speaker 4: The it's later instead of Birmingham. Yeah, so it's going

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Speaker 2: I'm if I'm still you have a coaching job at

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Speaker 1: But let's get back to the question.

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Speaker 3: Phil One's question best for spectators, Well, you think it's Grass.

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Speaker 4: I think it's Indian Wells honestly, and I want to

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Speaker 4: the ball flies and it's really hard to control in

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Speaker 4: most fun for me, whereas if you sit in Arthur

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Speaker 3: Aside just the spectator aspect of that. You can see

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Speaker 4: We have this huge grass area where you can watch

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Speaker 3: You can you can have noble, So why would you

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the problem. The WTA know that because

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Speaker 4: Right, but it was still wasn't four. It was fairly filled,

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Speaker 4: strange because I watched the stupidest thing just because I

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Speaker 3: That's I completely agree with you, and I think one

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Speaker 1: How do you That's a good one of the first

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Speaker 3: I mean one thing that's great, and I think the

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Speaker 4: Andre police next year, play well and come back here.

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Speaker 2: But the tickets so cheap in Istanbul.

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Speaker 4: I don't care and I don't care about to make

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Speaker 2: Well, I can say that they know it was an issue,

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Speaker 1: So see when I are the spokeswoman after that, we've

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Speaker 2: We brought trust me the WTS. No, it's anyone's going

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Speaker 2: And look, you know, China's throwing money left and right

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Speaker 4: But I mean, they've had two tournaments this year there already,

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Speaker 4: so they should They've had the Shenzhan Tournament for I

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Speaker 4: I don't say that this is the first year we

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Speaker 4: WTA has to work on.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll see what happens next year.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, the amount of matches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the people who got in were great also.

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Speaker 3: Could not believe Kik Burton's who played thirty five tournaments

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, but I don't get any money from

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Speaker 2: And they are choking. They are choking to get into

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Speaker 2: You think they don't want to get in, are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: They're fasting their ass. And they all lost first round.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's sad that that's the main motivator

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Speaker 1: They come out to a full stadium.

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Speaker 4: And I to be fair, I don't think that Chinese

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Speaker 2: No, when Sam it was like ji yo Junkshui jai

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Speaker 3: This I'm going to take a I'm going to put

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Speaker 3: Marina Massiel writes, I'd like you to discuss prize money

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Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Like that is crazy? I literally

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Speaker 2: amazing money. So yeah, it could it be more, obviously,

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Speaker 3: I think doubles is so fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: I think many spectators, if they play tennis, they're more

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Speaker 1: Drastical.

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Speaker 3: I'm into a drastical change. I think think.

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Speaker 1: You're doing great.

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Speaker 3: You're nobody else is speaking in their second language or

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Speaker 1: It's trash, trash, trash, what she said.

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Speaker 3: It's I would not want for my friends, who many

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Speaker 3: But to be like, oh what should I go to?

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Speaker 3: That maybe so you keep some of the smaller events.

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Speaker 4: to have a really strong personality that is like exactly,

440
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Speaker 4: come on, are you looking at Renee.

441
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 3: Or at me? I'm looking right at the commissioner. No,

442
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 3: but I think dust food.

443
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 4: That's commission Yeah, and I would only speak for a

444
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 4: very strong Jamin accent.

445
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 1: There you go.

446
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Speaker 3: People would really respect your authority. What's the latest news

447
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 3: with Kim Kleiser's and her injury. She's still planning on

448
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 3: a comeback. Love your podcast and it's always best when

449
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 3: Andre Paka is with you too.

450
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: Wait is Kim?

451
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 3: Thank you Keith Holland, Yes, Kim is Kim is injured

452
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 3: and she's not playing in January.

453
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's put a stop to the comeback in January.

454
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: So she's just going to push it back a little bit.

455
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: But we know that it's going to happen. Shit, tell me,

456
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I honestly don't know, but well, it's

457
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: cool being having to train really hard again to get

458
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: back into phenomenal shapes.

459
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to work. I said it before,

460
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: I say it again. It's tough, I think to get

461
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: back into the thing is. You know what the problem is.

462
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 1: I know it with myself.

463
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 4: She's used to training four or five hours a day

464
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 4: and she's had a long break, and now she comes

465
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Speaker 4: back and she thinks she can still do it.

466
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 1: I had to learn gradually that I can't do that anymore.

467
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 4: If I do, and especially after three kids, I don't

468
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Speaker 4: even want to get into that hello environment.

469
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Speaker 1: I'm just joking. By the way, please have as many

470
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Speaker 1: kids as.

471
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 4: You want, but just you know, I had to learn

472
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 4: that gradually that whenever I would practice four or five

473
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 4: hours a day, I would get injured. And I think

474
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Speaker 4: Kim has to relearn that now because she's still in

475
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 4: her mindset when she was thirty and thinks she can

476
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 4: still do that, but now she isn't anymore.

477
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 1: Anyone on thirty.

478
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: Four and learns your body just abandoned babe.

479
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: Bye bye. Yeah, mine's gone bye bye, Which is why

480
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: you know I saw that check for the doubles at

481
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 2: the Championships, I thought my mind was there but my

482
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: body was like a serious I got for the practicing now,

483
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: and your knees not swollen like a like a watermelon.

484
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: I know you didn't even come dancing the other name

485
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: because you were like, oh my knees and up. Okay,

486
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Speaker 3: Mike McIntyre and Leon Thomas Brown want you to talk

487
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Speaker 3: about the rise of the North, my native land, my

488
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: native land Canada.

489
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Speaker 1: Wait, when do we start talking about game with three?

490
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 3: Oh?

491
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: That was king in the Norse talk about needing to

492
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Speaker 2: get a ship together. As far as injuries to concern,

493
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: the mind is.

494
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: There, She's got, She's got everything. She literally has.

495
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: She literally has one of the strongest minds I've ever

496
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Speaker 2: seen in a player. As far as being able to

497
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: handle the moment, I mean that you were so open.

498
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 2: Still to this day, the atmosphere and that final and

499
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: the noise that I experienced as a spectator sitting on

500
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: the side of the court of that match is still

501
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Speaker 2: to this day blows my mind that she could handle

502
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Speaker 2: that moment.

503
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Speaker 1: She played so so young.

504
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Speaker 2: The head is unbelievable, The tennis is there, the body

505
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: is not.

506
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 3: A rotator cuff injury.

507
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 2: And now she's got Now she's minisca miniscus. No, she

508
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 2: did in meniscus and Andrea and I know you do

509
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: the meniscars. It's like ten years from now as I

510
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Speaker 2: can attest to being in an am I'm machine three

511
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: days ago. Yeah, don't don't, don't pull uh it. I

512
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: mean that's just sutting.

513
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Speaker 1: A precedent of the problem is she's so young. If

514
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Speaker 1: you have I have it. That's why I have problems

515
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Speaker 1: with my niece.

516
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 4: I had an acl when I was nineteen, and then

517
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 4: you just was commare on your cartilage.

518
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: From that moment on.

519
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: So if you're lucky enough to stay healthy somewhat healthy

520
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 4: until twenty five and then you start tearing up your cartilage,

521
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Speaker 4: you might get through to thirty two with like somewhat

522
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 4: of an that was that was man, but that's it.

523
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: But even you felt it right.

524
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Speaker 4: And I had it with nineteen, so already when I

525
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 4: was twenty four to twenty five, my knees were already

526
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Speaker 4: in chronicle pain all the time.

527
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Speaker 2: Chronicle. That's a new well chronicle.

528
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: It's chronic.

529
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 3: We're going to keep a list of it, like neologism

530
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: is your career.

531
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Speaker 4: I'm going to come into your Webster dictionary and tear

532
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Speaker 4: it from it.

533
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: For your commissa will invent words and you don't like it.

534
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Speaker 3: What would you do if you're her, she's got a

535
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: rotator cuff, She's not gonna meniscus. Would you say like.

536
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: She's made it rotating?

537
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: She's got probably two rotator cuffs, but one was real

538
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: fucked up. So what would you sort of advise her

539
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: as somebody who has well.

540
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 4: I don't know what I would advise her, but you

541
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: know what my theory on that is because I feel

542
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 4: like what your strength is in life philosophically somehow.

543
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Is also weakness. But it's true. But you're laughing at me.

544
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 4: But I am arguably physically very strong at my best,

545
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: and I was one of the players that was the

546
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: most injury prone. And I feel like Bianca. You saw

547
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 4: it at the US Open. When she's physically at her best,

548
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: she tears people apart. Physically, she's strong, she's quick. Yeah

549
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: she's a strong girl, but she's still quick. She's dynamic,

550
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 4: she's explosive, but apparently she struggles with injury. So I

551
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: don't know what to advise her because I was very similar.

552
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 4: And one guy said to me when I was eighteen,

553
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: oh yo, like a racehorse, and I was like, yeah,

554
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 4: I am. And then he was like, well, you know, racehorses,

555
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: the minute they have a cold, they get put down.

556
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a bacteria. Stay away from me. But

557
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: it is kind of true. What I want to say.

558
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: It's extreme, but it is true.

559
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: A racehorse when it's running well, it's incredible and you

560
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: see the athleticism and a minute something's wrong and inflamed whatever, hoof,

561
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 4: it's over and they have to.

562
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: It's not why you said it.

563
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: You also held up your pinky, which is really.

564
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: Audience. They are bullying, bullying.

565
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: It was like you were so serious and then you're like,

566
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm being bullied by my own colleagues. One thing also

567
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: that was discussed was Muga Rutha.

568
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: Yes this in full because it's lengthy. On Spanna writes,

569
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Speaker 3: what do you see happening to Mugarusa next season? Do

570
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: you see her teaming up with Martinez? Would that be

571
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: good for her? Is spending her off season climbing killiman

572
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: Jero instead of lying on a beach in the Maldives?

573
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: Are positive? And what happened with Martinez? And please come,

574
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Speaker 3: First of all, I'm going to take the middle, which

575
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: is like fuck, if anybody can do whatever they want

576
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: in the off season period.

577
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 4: Well did that before he won the ring at the

578
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: Dallas Maverick.

579
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's good. Maybe she read his book.

580
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: So okay, mugaritha Martinez, great pair. She won Wimbledon with

581
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Speaker 3: Martinez in her corner. You have some involvement in this triangle.

582
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: But what can you share with.

583
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: Us, Renee, absolutely nada? What no. Swear to God, come

584
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: on my sweat, I promise you on my mother's house,

585
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: which is in a lot of trouble right now. Yes,

586
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: I swear honestly, I don't know. I think I haven't

587
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: spoken to Carolina. I haven't spoken to Conchetah about it.

588
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: It's only just happened a week ago. I saw them

589
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: obviously in China. If you had to speculate, I mean

590
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: they had a good season. I, honest to God, have

591
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: no clue.

592
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: Petco has theories though, don't you about what?

593
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: No Carolina sr That was for a second, But in

594
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: other words, she wasn't listening to what I was saying.

595
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

596
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Speaker 4: I was a because I thought, for some reason we

597
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: talking about Magruza.

598
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: That's why I was we are going to get to it.

599
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: Okay, so what I just a okay, why Pliskova and

600
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 4: Martinez split. I don't know my theory is, but that's

601
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: just me coming again from a philosophical kind of And

602
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: Carolina is a kind of a low energy person in

603
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 4: a sense of that she's not low energy when she's

604
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: on courge, she's not very emotional.

605
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: That's why they call it the ice Queen. Yeah, so

606
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: I always feel.

607
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: Like it's good to have a not the ice Queen,

608
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: but also ice.

609
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just hashtaged her well you know

610
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: what I mean.

611
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: But she is like very stoic exactly, and I feel

612
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: like it's always good to have a balance and energy.

613
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: So when you have a coach that like gives you

614
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: a push off energy in certain moments, and I feel

615
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: like Conchita was the same way when she was a

616
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: player and also seems to be very similar to that

617
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: as a coach. So maybe that's just as I said,

618
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 4: pure speculation, Maybe that was there was like a lack

619
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: of energy in a sense because I felt like they

620
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: did a good work. But then also I think Carolina

621
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 4: high expectations. I think she expects to win a Slam

622
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: before an Osaka wins two before and Jessica wins one,

623
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: so I feel like there probably was a certain kind

624
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: of disappointment. So even though she did have a great season,

625
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 4: she finished number two in the world, she might have

626
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 4: had some expectations not met in any form of way.

627
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: But again this is pure speculations, and you know her

628
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: better than I do.

629
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Speaker 2: As I said, I don't have any inside information on it.

630
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know I don't eat my split with.

631
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: Her in March was I didn't expect that either, so

632
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: because I thought, you know, I brought a pretty good

633
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: sort of balance to her being on court, and I

634
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: think one of the things that she's missing is the

635
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: ability to finish some of these points against some of

636
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: these players, and that, for me, is moving forward. I

637
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: think that she has to improve her ability to move

638
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: forward at the net. I think it's one of the

639
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: things that as a Ranka did so well when she

640
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 2: won a couple of Austrain opens, and she was a

641
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: beast from the back of the court and didn't mess

642
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: but she took balls out of the air. I mean

643
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: she really took She had one of the best swinging

644
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: foehand volleys and closed the points out and used her

645
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: tenacity in that way and her intensity that way to

646
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: beat you know, the sharrapovers and players like that in

647
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: the final, whereas Carolina needs to find that balance of

648
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: can she hit winners from the back of the court,

649
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: sure of course, But she also, you know, is not

650
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: the quickest she moves. She actually her movement over the

651
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: last twelve months, and I give credit to Zulla, her

652
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: trainer is fantastic, but it becomes a little bit sideways

653
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: and not forward. So the urgency to finish the point

654
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: I think is very important for her. And also, you know,

655
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: sort of working on the variety of her serve I

656
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: think is a necessity, and it's up in the head

657
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: as well. It's like refusing to lose. So I think

658
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: there's a few things, and I swear to you, I

659
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: promise you i'd absolutely know nothing. I don't know who

660
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: she's gonna sign. I'm going to take your guess, and

661
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: I literally know nothing. I think, you know, maybe Dominicae

662
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: super Kova, who's not playing anymore, and there's rumors that

663
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: she may retire. Her coach is probably going to be

664
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: needing a job, and he's a good guy, and what's

665
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: his name. I can't I can't remember off the top

666
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: of my head. But maybe he's in the mix. I

667
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: don't know that would be a good choice for her.

668
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: Maybe. Well this kind of relates to a question that

669
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: Bryce McCarthy asks, and it kind of speaks to the

670
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: Mugarutha Martinez question, which is like, obviously there was a

671
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: successful pair in the past, do you go back and

672
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: sort of rekindle things? The question is how is initial

673
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: contact to see if there's mutual interest in working between

674
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: a player and a coach.

675
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: You guys can well, it has changed.

676
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: Well, it's changed really because in my days, well, no,

677
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: the way it worked for me was I would just

678
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: go up to people and ask them or call them

679
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: up when I knew they were free. I was not

680
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: the one that would go up to people that were

681
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: already kindled up. I was never that type. I just

682
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: didn't like to do that. But now you don't have

683
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: to do that as a player anymore because the agents.

684
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: Do everything for you.

685
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: Interesting, I was so surprised to hear that. But apparently

686
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: the coaches have agents and they just shuffle them around.

687
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: So I saw Magruza was working with Nishikori just split

688
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: with his coach. So I saw Magruza was doing a

689
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: few I don't know if it's a long term thing,

690
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: but then she was working for a few weeks with

691
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: his old coach and they both have the same agent.

692
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: It's all about on Lindunk, Dutch guy who was working

693
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: for IMG. So I see a lot of these things

694
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: where where the agents is really the remain and that

695
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: was not I don't know how it was in your

696
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: but in my days, that was not an issue at all.

697
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that was just not a thing. And I

698
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: think that's why. Also Sasha Bayen is getting so many

699
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: jobs because I think he's working with an agent too,

700
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: or he's very well connected in the whole IMG Octagun.

701
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: World, the metaphorical bubble with the.

702
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: With the top tiered players often their management, Like I

703
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: know that like Max Eisenbud. You know, he has like

704
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: a rotation of a couple of coaches that he just

705
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: keeps I rang after his players. Yea, yeah, exactly, you know,

706
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: just one after the other after the other. And so

707
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: if you're in that sort of strategy, if you're in

708
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: that sphere, you just keep getting passed around. And then

709
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: you've got some coaches that actively sort of like you said,

710
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: sort of weasel up to a player and start sucking

711
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: up to them a little bit and sort of saying

712
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: a job with you, and you know, and blah blah blah.

713
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: And then you've got some players that you know, were

714
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: not happy with their coaches and they see somebody else

715
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: or and you have to remember, players practice with each other,

716
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: so they often on the court with other coaches and

717
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: they might see something like the way that they are.

718
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, with the way it happened with me with

719
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Carolina's I have no idea. She just called me and

720
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: was like, hey, would you come to Singapore with me?

721
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: This was, you know, a couple of years ago. And

722
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, check, get your number. He's fastening.

723
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: You can always ask numbers of other players and coaches,

724
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: most of them.

725
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: Through Sam STOs called me obviously, you know.

726
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: But just to go back to Maguruza and Chita, I

727
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: think that would be a great match. Obviously, Conchita has

728
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: a way of speaking to.

729
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: Her that works.

730
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: She won Wimbledon Spanish. But but then also to be fair,

731
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: she came on for that tournament. She didn't do the

732
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: work beforehand. That was Sam Summick, and I know he's

733
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: very controversial and the The whole relationship was apparently very

734
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: weird in a sense that they had these weird coaching

735
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: timeouts where they were both very emotional and she didn't

736
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: very soon so but he did do the work. It's

737
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: I don't like when a coach comes on, you know,

738
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: for a tournament and the player wins the tournament.

739
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Every it's like being in love for the first two weeks.

740
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: Everything is great, but then the real work starts, and

741
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: then you can see if things are matching up, and

742
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: then you can see if personalities are matching up, and

743
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. But clearly, and that's to

744
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: her credit, to Conchita's credit, she has a language, a

745
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: kind of language, and something a motivational speed whatever, or

746
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: she just brought calm to Mugurusa. Because that's for me,

747
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: to come back to my philosophical view of things. There

748
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: would be a better match where Garbina is very emotional

749
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: and very intense, and maybe Conchita could bring a little calment.

750
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: To her, which helped. During Wimbledon.

751
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it was happy. She had my observation

752
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: of Gabrina that year that she won Wimbledon. She was happy,

753
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: she seemed related, looked relaxed, she was smiling. She would

754
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: say hello to everybody, like you see her, we see

755
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: her around the ground. She's not exactly, she's kind of scowl,

756
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: She's not exactly Andrea Petkovitch walking around the courts like

757
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: you know what congeniality, Yeah, miss congeniality.

758
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm licking the mic.

759
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Great, whatever that means. Well, it was kind of like

760
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: when working with Emily MORESSMO and You're like, oh, anybody

761
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 3: is like so dour and like can be heard on himself,

762
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: and then Emily Moress would be like, you know, just

763
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: and it was such a nice contrast in personality types.

764
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 3: You're kind of like, there has to be something.

765
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: She's pretty serious. She's pretty serious.

766
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I but she also like talked a lot

767
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: about like the philosophy of like being happy within yourself.

768
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's even talked about like just the different

769
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: perspectives of getting Yvonne Lindell, who's very intense and very.

770
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Well Yvonne doesn't take any ship. You say, yeah, well,

771
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I try to hit that ball that I don't care

772
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't go there, hit it here and shut up

773
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: and don't fucking gesture time.

774
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: I heard a great story about Evon Lindall, Did you

775
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: tell it to me? He lives in Connecticut and golf's

776
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: most days, and he was entering into his golf club's

777
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: scrabble championships.

778
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: I did not tell you that. And he story.

779
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: Lost in the first year of it, and so then

780
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: he spent the next year like training intensely to be

781
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: like a scrabble champ. I don't know if that's true,

782
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: but we'll find out.

783
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: Maybe we had him.

784
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to get him on the podcast.

785
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh, he would be unbelieved.

786
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: There's a couple more questions I want to get to,

787
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna run out of time because we

788
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to cut this into two episodes. Obviously, the

789
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: year ender.

790
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: We really have to talk about that. Beginning off.

791
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: The whole thing I didn't even know we were on,

792
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: and there was a lot of fucking.

793
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: We we can edit a lot of that.

794
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: We do a lot.

795
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: We do, okay that, But one of the questions aimed

796
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: at you was has the energy in the locker room

797
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: changed in the course of your career? Have people become

798
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: more open? I think one of the points the poster

799
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: was making was a social media in the way I

800
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: have sort of become more I don't know themselves, at

801
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: least comfortable with a version of themselves being out in

802
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: the world. Do something you notice.

803
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 4: I do think that the locker room has become friendly,

804
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: although I don't know because I've always been okay with everyone.

805
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: But what I do feel like is and I think

806
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: it has more to do with a generational sort of

807
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: change that the new generation that is coming up has

808
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: already been because back in the days, for example, I

809
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 4: didn't play juniors, so I didn't have friends from juniors

810
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: that much.

811
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: So I didn't but I still don't have.

812
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 4: Friends quite all. My friend okay, it's my favorite thing anyways.

813
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: But but I can see that nowadays because TENN has

814
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: becomes professional so early you meet the players in the

815
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: in the juniors that you later on seniors tour, and

816
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: I can see that a lot of friendships form that

817
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: have been going on for years already. In they are

818
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 4: twenty and they're hanging out in the locker room. You

819
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: can see they shared a lot of things.

820
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: It's a different I would say, because I have been around,

821
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: as you've already established in this podcast us how old

822
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: I am. I did play twenty two years, so I

823
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: did really see that branch branched a lot of different people.

824
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: And I would say, back in the day, I mean,

825
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: we used to have, for example, every year at Eastbourne

826
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: we would have a performance. We would literally all the

827
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: play you don't.

828
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: Know this story magazine.

829
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: We would put on performances a talent show. Yeah, we would.

830
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: The players would get and the staff and whomever wanted

831
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: to be a part of a Broadway production. We would

832
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: go to the local Eastbourne theater and all the players

833
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: and everyone would go and we would do performances. That's like,

834
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: you think that's good. Could happen now? No chance? Maybe

835
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'll put it out there for the place.

836
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: But literally we would pretty much take the piss of

837
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: everybody on tour. Yeah, I mean, and some of the

838
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: instances quote unquote that had happened on tour we would

839
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: put up there on the theater and obviously it never

840
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: got out, but we would pay out on each other

841
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: during that event.

842
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: And you would do that if we would have somebody

843
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: who was like, hey, guys, you know what we should do.

844
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: We played a softball game every year, the staff the

845
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: WTA against the players. That sounds like very dangerous, no,

846
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: but that was literally photos of like the players would

847
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: play against the staff every year we walk across the

848
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: street at the Miami Tournament and the Lipton as it

849
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: was known now, and we would play a game of softball.

850
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know what softball is like baseball, but

851
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 4: with a big ball, with a big.

852
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Ball, and you show it from underneath.

853
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 4: Yes, terrible, look very good. Did you guys look at

854
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: watch did you guys look? Did you guys watch the

855
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: NFL game yesterday? Oh my god, it was amazing, you know,

856
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: like American football.

857
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: And oh but it was so good. Okay, anyways, I.

858
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: Like that you like sports.

859
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Well, she has no choice. Her significant other right now

860
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: is obsessed with with with everything, so every sports.

861
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: But I love American football is so strategic. That's what

862
00:38:59,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: I like.

863
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 4: But I do have my problems with the whole politics

864
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: behind it. And they are because I met this one

865
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: football the way they I exploited. They have bodies and

866
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 4: that's oh my god. So I do feel like a

867
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: certain kind of I feel bad a little bit when

868
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: I when I watch that, I enjoy it so much

869
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: because it's such a cool just like from the strategic,

870
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: because I like that's what I like about tennis.

871
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: Also, is the strategy the strategy strategy.

872
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: It's the same, it's the same.

873
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: This is a very random question, but this kind of

874
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: speaks to what we're talking about. Caroline Watson asks, I'd

875
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: like you to pick a random mid week ladies penance

876
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: team and keep us updated on their progress. What does

877
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: that mean? Is that a sports that rugby or something.

878
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: No, it's a tennis team. So in Australia pennant matches,

879
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: which is like club team matches.

880
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 3: So racket could like sponsor like a random like New

881
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: South Wales record country and we should Yeah, okay, well, listeners,

882
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: please send us some suggestions. And also we're only doing

883
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: it if you are going to rename your team the Racketeers,

884
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: and we will send you T shirts.

885
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Send you t shirts. That's all the Well, I don't

886
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: know if they're going to allow hashtags on the back, but.

887
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: We'll grab them by the penis.

888
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's midweek ladies, would mean Wednesday afternoon all morning.

889
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: The ladies get together. They bring a bit of tea,

890
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: they bring a bit a few scones and a couple

891
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: of little sandwiches, and they play against each other and

892
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: they whine and complain about each other and and then

893
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: the after and then after the match they all sit

894
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: down have a cup of tea and scone and a sandwich,

895
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: and then they complain about their husbands and their marriages

896
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: and then they go home.

897
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: That sounds great, yeah, my my. I don't know who

898
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: was my cousin or so my mom told me.

899
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: When I told her that I have this great therapist

900
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: now that recommend mental and that he helped me so much,

901
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: she said, well, back in the day, I think it

902
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: was my mom. She was, well, back in the day,

903
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: it would just bake a cake and go to your neighbor.

904
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: That was your therapist. And I was like, fair point, Mom,

905
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: but I'd rather pay to speak about my feeling.

906
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: Totally and nobody's gonna gosp about it.

907
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: And ps And by the way, Mom, of course you

908
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: had baked the cake and went to the neighbors. Is

909
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: why I'm going to therapy exactly.

910
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: All right, this is a very random question, but we're

911
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: gonna end on it unless you guys have other things

912
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: you want to discuss. Georgia Burdell, who also coincidentally I

913
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: gather lives in Georgia, asks why don't women use their

914
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: non dominant arm to guide and hit their forehands in

915
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: recreational tennis? What yeah, that's all moreover? When will well

916
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: moreover ALTA, which is the league tennis kind of similar

917
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: to Ladies penants get hawkeye to curb the cheaters. I

918
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: will hang up and wait for an answer. Obviously this

919
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: is a Joe question, but it does raise something that

920
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: I get asked about a lot and that we saw

921
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of this week when we had a

922
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 3: major dust up in one of the challengers in Vegas,

923
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: which is sort of the sportsmanship that goes on on

924
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: the courts.

925
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: Did get disqualified.

926
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: Michael mull get the Squifiy? Didn't you chuck a racket?

927
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: He threw it at a linesman.

928
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, sounds a little I'm thinking a little abusive.

929
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: Not great juniors. There's tons of cheating.

930
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I got Radwanska in her last episode

931
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: talked about it.

932
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to it, listen to the Racket magazine.

933
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: Red can't speak Radwanska episode because she talks about that.

934
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: She's like, why would you cheat? I don't understand it?

935
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: But hey my, so whenever I think about that, whenever

936
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: we talk, people bring that up, or you talk about it.

937
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: And I have very good friends that have kids that

938
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: are playing in junior tournaments, friends in Florida for example,

939
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: that are like playing these twelve and under tournaments, and like,

940
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: there's so much cheating and I'm like, it'll all come

941
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: out in the wash. People, because when you hear Radwanska

942
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Wimbledon finalists, top ten for her whole career, made twenty

943
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: million dollars, didn't cheat as a junior. So all you

944
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: juna's out there that the listening, or all the parents

945
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: of juniors that are out there listening, if your kids

946
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: are cheat, hash fuck you. But seriously, seriously, seriously, because.

947
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: Nine year old kid, I will tell you two stories

948
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: that are amazing. By the way, once I cheated, not deliberately. No,

949
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: I will tell you what happened. It was five to

950
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: four for me and the other girl was playing moon balls,

951
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: and it was back then and junior sty tried the

952
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: no ad rule, so it was just so it was

953
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: at the same time match point for me and gain

954
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 4: point for her to go back to five all and

955
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: she hit such a big moon ball that she loved

956
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 4: me at the net and it's called a lob yep.

957
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: No, not at the net.

958
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 4: I was at the baseline. Sorry, I was at the baseline,

959
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: so she loved me at the baseline. So the ball

960
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: went so high that she it hit the fence before

961
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: I could hit it, and she thought it was out.

962
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 4: It wasn't out, it was in. But she just came

963
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: to the net and put raised her hand out and

964
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: I went and shook it.

965
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: So I won the match.

966
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 4: That was one thing, but it's not the funny story.

967
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: The funny story is about I'm not sure I can

968
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: tell us, but I'm going to.

969
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't care.

970
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 4: Alexander Zverev yes and likes under Bublick. So I played

971
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: Hopman Cup with zashas Reef and he tells me the

972
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 4: story about how Bublick once when they played juniors against

973
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 4: each other, punched him in the face after the match.

974
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 4: What it's a true story. So I asked him, like,

975
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: why did he punch you in the face. He's like,

976
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: I don't know. I beat him like two and two engineers, Yeah,

977
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: they were like fourteen or something. I beat him like

978
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: two two, and then I went to the net to

979
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: shake his hand and he came up and he just

980
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: like but with a fist, not like slapped him.

981
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: He like punched him with the fist in his face.

982
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So I kind of

983
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: forget the story.

984
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 4: So three months later, I'm at Inuas and I see

985
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 4: and I know him because he practiced at the same academy,

986
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: and I see him passing. I'm like, hey, Sasha, I

987
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: have to ask you something. So I'm like, is it

988
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: true that you punched Zef when you were juniors? And

989
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, totally, but do you know what he did?

990
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, what did he do?

991
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: So apparently what Sasha did whenever he started losing, he

992
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: didn't cheat, like steal the balls, but whenever he started losing,

993
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: he would just say another score. And you know, they

994
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: don't have umpires in juniors, so what they have to do.

995
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: They have to start from the score that both remember,

996
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: which was one all in the first set, So instead

997
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: of five to one for Public, it was one all,

998
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: and they had to replay the match and Bublic couldn't

999
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: concentrate anymore and he lost to and two.

1000
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: That was the truth against my theory.

1001
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: Well, then I asked zvere F and he was he

1002
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: kind of was defensive us. He's like a public is

1003
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: lying whatever. But I kind of tend to believe the

1004
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: story is true, because why would somebody just randomly punch

1005
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 4: you in the face with the fist as a fourteen

1006
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: year old. I mean, he is Russian, and I kind

1007
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: of appreciate that he's like a badass apparently.

1008
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: But that's a crazy story.

1009
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: That is a crazy story I know of a professional.

1010
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I won't.

1011
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: I won't mention names because one of the people.

1012
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: Should I have not mentioned names. No, of course you should.

1013
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, one of no. Because one of

1014
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: the people that told me the story is somebody I

1015
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: really like and respect, and.

1016
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: Because I can see.

1017
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: Cheating. She doesn't need it, she couldn't live with herself.

1018
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: One of them was part of a team and he

1019
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: this person told me the story.

1020
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: No shut up and.

1021
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: And basically cheated a line call at the French Open

1022
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: in a semi finals. Yeah, and said that here's the

1023
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: ballmark and circled it. It was nothing to do. It

1024
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: was not the ballmark. They ended up winning the match

1025
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: and won the tournament. It was and they won the tournament.

1026
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Ran, are you talking about yourself?

1027
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you did it well, you.

1028
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: Were you know, it's the only grand slame. I didn't win,

1029
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: so no, but they won the tournament and they should

1030
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: have been out of the tournament in the semi finals.

1031
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: So you know what, what goes around comes around. That's

1032
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: how I feel. So if you cheat and you can

1033
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: live with yourself, good for you. And if you cheat

1034
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: and you can't live with yourself, you know you won't

1035
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: do it. I could never cheat. I could never do that.

1036
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: Like you know people that like touch the ball and

1037
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: I didn't touch my rackets, Like, how do you live

1038
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: with yourself?

1039
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: I thought the more. And now that person has butt

1040
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: cancer something.

1041
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how they are, but they will

1042
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: they will.

1043
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: They will hit yourself in the.

1044
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: Marria and you have to now they have hiccups forever,

1045
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 4: and their lives are destroyed well.

1046
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: And and they were known to cheat often in different circumstances.

1047
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: So that person, you know what it is. They have

1048
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: no respect. They have no respect on tour. I'm not

1049
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: going to tell you, but it's like.

1050
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: Blink and Morrisecote. If I get the name right, I'll

1051
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: tell you later. All right, Well, we'll give anybody who

1052
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: guesses it right free.

1053
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: Yes, listen, I'll tell you what for all the juniors

1054
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: out there though that do listen and all the parents

1055
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: that come.

1056
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: Sorry for if you're a junior, I'm sure they don't

1057
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: let listen.

1058
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: Let your baby grow up to listen to us, but

1059
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: but don't let your kids cheat.

1060
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Cool, you know, I mean a terrible terribles.

1061
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I mean it's not good because one

1062
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: day they will have linesmen and they will have whole kai. Yeah,

1063
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: and they'll start to complain and whine and.

1064
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: May God have mercy on their souls. May he? All

1065
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: right that note, let's wrap this wonderful two part edition

1066
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: Year in Review podcast up with our illustrious guest fashion

1067
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 3: correspondent genuinely nuts so lady to my right, Andrea, thank

1068
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: you for coming to the studio.

1069
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: I yes, we love that you are living pot time

1070
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 2: now here in New York.

1071
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: It's all happening here in New York. All right, Thanks

1072
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 3: for listening. You next year, cheers, And that's it for

1073
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast. Thanks for listening.

1074
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co host and producer

1075
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,160
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1076
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,120
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1077
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,840
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1078
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