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Speaker 1: This happening is going on in Baltimore, Lee, and we

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Speaker 1: should say somehow someway with the awful season the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have had, they're not out of it. If the Steelers

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Speaker 1: would have lose their last two games and the Ravens

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Speaker 1: would have win their last two games, they could actually

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Speaker 1: win the division.

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Speaker 3: So it's not out of reach.

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Speaker 1: But there's a columnist down in Baltimore not too happy

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Speaker 1: with one, mister Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Rob.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody in Baltimore is gonna get cold in their

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Speaker 4: stocking this evening. And that is whether it is Lamar

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Speaker 4: Jackson or Baltimore Sons. Mike Preston, who wrote a column

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Speaker 4: titled Ravens Lamar Jackson are at a Crossroads. In this column,

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Speaker 4: Preston claims that the star quarterbacks off field habits, specifically

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Speaker 4: alluding to him playing video games late at night and

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Speaker 4: falling asleep in team meetings is rubbing the team the

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Speaker 4: wrong way. But he also accuses the Ravens of accommodating

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Speaker 4: the twenty eight year old's behavior, including holding practices later

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Speaker 4: in the afternoon opposed to the morning, which most teams do.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna say this, Martin Lamar is not

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Speaker 1: without blame. Okay, it's been a.

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Speaker 3: Bad year, we get it. This isn't what we're.

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Speaker 1: Used to this guy, right, a ton of injury, but

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Speaker 1: this guy's usually in the mix for MVP. He's that

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Speaker 1: kind of play. Last year, I think he got robbed.

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Speaker 1: He didn't win the MVP. He was the first team

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Speaker 1: All Pro quarterback, but he didn't the first team you know,

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Speaker 1: all NFL. But he didn't get the MVP, which just

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Speaker 1: normally doesn't happen. But in this case, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that Lamar is without blame because there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: blame to go around for this ridiculous Baltimore Ravens team.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they have six Pro Bowlers, right, but

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Speaker 1: like that ties the amount for all the teams, Like

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Speaker 1: three or four teams have six guys, like that's the

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Speaker 1: best you can do. So they actually have talent. We've

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Speaker 1: seen this team. Lamar started the first three or four

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Speaker 1: games like as well as you can play at the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position. They went up to Buffalo, scored forty points

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Speaker 1: and lost. Derek Henry's fumbling Zay Flowers who made the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, who had three two.

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Speaker 3: Touchdowns and three fumbles. He made the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, like seriously, and he's always fumbling.

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Speaker 5: The Pro Bowl is voting needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say it's ridiculous, but I just want to

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Speaker 1: want to get this right. I'm sorry the I appreciate

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Speaker 1: a local columnist going after the big dog and writing

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Speaker 1: those kinds of columns. That's what I did when I

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Speaker 1: So I get that, and I appreciate that because most

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Speaker 1: local guys are homers and they don't want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: ruffle of feathers of the big guys that they need

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Speaker 1: to talk to. But in this case, if you're not

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Speaker 1: writing about John Harbaugh and what has happened to the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: blowing leads, go look they've lost twelve double digit leads

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Speaker 1: in the last few years under John Harball. I know

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Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl. It's a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: They got way too much talents. We just talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Six Pro bowlers, They got an MVP type quarterback.

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Speaker 3: They got everything you need.

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Speaker 1: Go back and look at most predictions about who's coming

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Speaker 1: out of the AFC, and I say eighty percent had

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Speaker 5: There you go, like before before Thursday night kickoff, they

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Speaker 5: were the favorite in the AFC to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And here we are, and now we're gonna pile on

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Speaker 3: She gets the blame. And here's the last thing.

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Speaker 1: How many games and situations And I'm not making an excuse.

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Speaker 1: I talked about the Derek Henry fumbles. How many balls

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Speaker 1: are dropped touchdowns? Like unbelievable. Did you see?

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Speaker 3: Who else was?

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Speaker 1: Jay Flowers had one in the last game. Mark Andrews

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Speaker 1: had another fumble. You remember two years ago last year

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Speaker 1: about these games. In the AFC Championship game against the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Jay Flowers fumbles at the one yard line going into

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Speaker 3: It's going to be John Harbaugh. He should be fired

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Speaker 5: I'm also pointing the finger at John Harbaugh. And to

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Speaker 5: how local versus national media works.

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Speaker 3: And that's a big difference.

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Speaker 5: This article is getting written because somebody, somebody is comfortable

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Speaker 5: enough to say something is going to be there is

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Speaker 5: a grand canyon crack here that will not be filled

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Speaker 5: right no matter how. You don't go scorched earth in

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Speaker 5: this way unless you know that you're saying, you gotta

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Speaker 3: And to me, I'm not about to try to guess

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Speaker 5: But one of the things that's interesting about Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 5: if you follow his career, he doesn't have an agent

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Speaker 5: at this point I don't think I'm telling secrets. When

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Speaker 5: you find out that your national guys that are doing

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Speaker 5: the reporting, you're Adam sefterz or Ian rap Reports, you

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Speaker 5: They're reporting with agents, are telling.

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Speaker 3: Them they're in bed with agents.

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Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean what the agent is telling them

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Speaker 5: is false, right, But they're reporting, are telling them they

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Speaker 5: are not in the locker room every day.

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Speaker 3: They're not in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: It's not the way of breaking stories in the old days,

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Speaker 3: A lot of stuff has sped to them.

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Speaker 5: Mike Preston has been covering the Baltimore Ravens is nineteen

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Speaker 5: eighty three. I was born in nineteen eighty nine, right,

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Speaker 5: So he's had this job long than I've had my life, right,

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Speaker 5: So I'm telling me he knows everyone in the building, right,

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Speaker 5: especially when you consider that John Harball has been there

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Speaker 5: of a working relationship between that him, those two specifically,

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Speaker 5: writing this to me is the writing on them, because

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Speaker 5: you nailed it on the head. The Lamar's injuries have

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Speaker 3: Year, year after year.

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Speaker 3: You say the first year thing, that always disappointing. But

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. When Lamar got.

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Speaker 5: Hurt this year, right, and he got hurt early in

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Speaker 5: the season, they had already dropped to your point, that

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Speaker 3: Lamar gets hurt, the team falls off a cliff, the

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Speaker 5: The only person who's responsible for that is the head coach.

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Speaker 5: And then later on down the line, as he's coming back, said,

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Speaker 5: do you know what, John Harbor, what's gonna change after

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Speaker 5: the buye?

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Speaker 3: Well, after the buy we're gonna get a quarterback back. Well,

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Speaker 3: guess what quarterback didn't come back.

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Speaker 5: He there's a level of disconnect between the two of them,

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Speaker 5: even so much, the most recent example being this week,

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Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson in his postgame press conference said, I had

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Speaker 5: a tour doll shot on my back and was unable

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Speaker 5: to finish the game because I was hurt. Right, You're

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Speaker 5: not getting a painkiller for fun, right, You getting a painkiller?

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Speaker 5: Tried to get out there and play. John Harbaugh said, well,

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Speaker 5: you know, we were really sure what was.

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Speaker 3: Happening with the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Like, even if you weren't sure, you cover for the guy.

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Speaker 5: If that's your guy, right, even if you're not sure,

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you it is. Andy Reid is not about

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Speaker 5: Patrick was doing. He's gonna say we all have to

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Speaker 5: get better, we all have.

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Speaker 3: To work on it.

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Speaker 5: Sean McDermott is not gonna go and say that, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know what Josh Allen really needs to do, He

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Speaker 3: To exhibit more leadership. Right, No, we're all in this together.

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Speaker 5: This is a guy This is a savior desk type

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Speaker 3: But it feels like it there's a split coming. And

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Speaker 3: guess what. Lamar has got a longer contract than you

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Speaker 3: do Power right.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry it's hard to you're moving Lamar and

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Speaker 3: That's your choice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that could be the choice when

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Speaker 1: you've underachieved every year, the Ravens lose and you feel

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Speaker 1: like a right, a wasted opportunity.

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Speaker 3: They got six Pro Bowlers and they're under five hundred.

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Speaker 1: Right, that tells you all you need to know. That

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Speaker 1: tells you how much talent this team has. And Derrick

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Speaker 1: Henry has turned into a fumble machine, my goodness, gracious.

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Speaker 3: But even still, no, I'm with all of that. I'll

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Speaker 1: I I'm just he was never a fumble guy.

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Speaker 5: I just guys get older, especially a running back. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's kind of I don't want to say he's falling

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Speaker 5: but he's lost a step in his game.

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Speaker 3: But even with all of that, you have an MVP

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Speaker 5: You're not accepting that type of reasoning in Buffalo or

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Speaker 3: I think that's the difference in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: All right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox we

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Speaker 1: are love here on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 2: We love that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Bill. Who's the blame? What is it? Mike Preston?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Mike Preston.

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Speaker 1: Right down in Baltimore, he's saying, Lamar, he's.

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Speaker 3: Sleeping at meetings.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to have practice Earl, Like all this

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Speaker 1: stuff's been going on when Lamar was winning the MVPs.

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Speaker 1: But now you know it's a problem because they're and

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Speaker 1: they're not even eliminated from the playoffs, which is another

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Speaker 1: thing that's weird.

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Speaker 5: You know, just quickly to this is why I find

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Speaker 5: Remember when Kamar came back and the report was they

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Speaker 5: took all the video games out of the locker room.

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Speaker 3: Because Lamar said it. So which one is it? Right?

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Speaker 3: Is he twenty two? Like maybe they should have put

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Speaker 1: But this might be like you remember Terry Francona with

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Speaker 1: That that game Saturday against the Packers.

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Speaker 3: I'd say it like, I think that was my quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Is he gonna paint his nails? A guy's gonna adjust

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Speaker 5: Well, year one showed me he'll be just fine dealing

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was automatic.

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Speaker 5: It's automatic a lot of people to say everybody's gonna

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Speaker 5: Even with this complete percentage, he's playing well enough, as

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Speaker 1: I agree if you think everybody he's making those throws

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Speaker 3: Like it's not like everybody's doing this.

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Speaker 5: And there's some part of it, like you almost not

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Speaker 5: But this is the thing I say, he's got all

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Speaker 5: do quote unquote the easy things, the layups and be

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Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But that right, I hear that Caleb Williams to

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Speaker 3: That wasn't making a couple of big runs. Right now,

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Speaker 5: The least likely thing that happened was the onside kick,

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people over time were bashed Caleb,

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Speaker 3: First, let's hear from Caleb.

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Speaker 3: But first, this is Caleb.

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Speaker 8: You know, I get I get drafted here. You know,

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Speaker 1: the people who have doubted him and talk about it.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is a scout two former scout rights and

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Speaker 1: and I saw one of his podcasts earlier this year

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Speaker 1: and basically he said Caleb hadn't improved the Bears offense.

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Speaker 1: Can't be fixed with Caleb, you know, like just I

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Speaker 1: would say, wrote him off. And I'll give John Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: credit because he said he's wrong, Like you know, he

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Speaker 1: he said he's wrong, that he that he missed this,

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Speaker 1: that he did not see this part.

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Speaker 3: Earlier in the season, and bla blah blah blah whatever

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And Daniel Kelly, I got into it with him, and

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Speaker 3: I guess this was last year? Is that when that was?

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Speaker 3: That was let's just hear a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Kelly has been one of the biggest critics of

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 6: And I'm still in the same spot with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 6: I was pre draft. You know, I had a fourth

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Speaker 6: wrong grade going into the the draft process. Label them

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Speaker 6: as a is a shuretfire one hundred percent bust if

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Speaker 6: he won the first round.

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Speaker 2: I haven't moved off that here.

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Speaker 1: You're still you're still gonna hold on to a one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent bust.

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Speaker 3: Come on, now, wait a minute, I just can't.

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Speaker 1: I need you, Daniel, to own up that you got

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Speaker 1: this one wrong, okay, because he's not a one hundred

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent bust.

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Speaker 3: Really, have you seen him a one hundred percent bust?

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Speaker 6: I've seen him.

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Speaker 1: I've seen him.

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Speaker 3: I've seen him, and you still think he's a one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent bust.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I've seen him have success against two of the

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Speaker 6: worst teams in the NFL, against the Carolina Panthers and

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Speaker 6: Jacksonville Jaguars, who were both one win teams the time

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Speaker 6: they played him. I saw him with all the short

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Speaker 6: thinking Doug passes of everybody, the seventy three percent against

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Speaker 6: the Rams within that game.

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Speaker 1: Who are you supposed to play? Who are you supposed

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Speaker 1: to play against? Did you when you look at Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady in the NF in the AFC least, and he

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Speaker 1: beat up on the Jets and the Bills and the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins for fifteen years. Did you downgrade him because

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Speaker 1: he played terrible cop, bad competition or not?

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't evaluate him in all fairs.

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Speaker 1: All right, there you go. That was me and Daniel

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Speaker 1: Kelly the Scout. But I do want to hear from

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Speaker 1: the doubters. This is your night to come clean. If

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Speaker 1: you doubted Caleb, if you had a problem with his

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Speaker 1: bell bottoms and the fingerpot and nail polish or whatever

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Speaker 1: you whatever it is, can you really take a look

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Speaker 1: and be honest now and say this guy is something special.

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Speaker 3: I'm serious. Here's your opportunity.

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Speaker 1: The odd Couple's giving you a chance to call in

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Speaker 1: and say, Rob Martin, I was wrong. It's okay, you

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Speaker 1: can get you were wrong. Call in eight seven seven

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Speaker 1: ninety nine on Fox. We'll clinge you on this Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 5: It's like it's an airing of forgiveness, exagreelances forgiveness.

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Speaker 3: We will forgive you. You call in and let us

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Speaker 3: know you were wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know I was wrong, Alex, You already know I

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Speaker 1: didn't just get on the Caleb bandwagon after that great

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Speaker 1: throw on Saturday Night.

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Speaker 3: You didn't. You want to know why, why Alex? Because

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Speaker 3: you made a catch a jingle like this, and then

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Speaker 3: I saw his toss. I'm a believer and not a

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Speaker 3: trace of doubt in my mind. I'm in love with Caleb.

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Speaker 3: I'm a believer. I couldn't leave him if I tried.

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Speaker 3: There it is your worst.

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Speaker 2: listen live.

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Speaker 1: Lee Tomorrow is a big everybody's home everybody after they

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Speaker 1: open up the Presence and all the other stuff that

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Speaker 1: goes on Christmas morning and breakfast and cool because today

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Speaker 1: feels like already the weekend, a Saturday or whatever. Right,

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Speaker 1: but it's only Wednesday, and tomorrow be Thursday, and people

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Speaker 1: have a great time. But there's a lot of sports on.

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Speaker 1: The NFL's taking over Christmas Day.

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Speaker 3: Used to be the NBA.

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Speaker 1: They got like five games on right, and the NFL

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Speaker 1: has three games on Lee. And I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: not three great games.

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Speaker 3: No, the spreads would tell you that too, Rob because yeah.

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Speaker 4: First we're kicking off and I hope you have your

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Speaker 4: Netflix subscriptions ready for Christmas morning because it's first two

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Speaker 4: games are going to be on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Netflix, I forgot about.

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Speaker 4: This, right, Cowboys are going to be at the Commanders

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Speaker 4: and Dallas is an eight and a half point favorite

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Speaker 4: in that game. And then we got the afternoon game

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Speaker 4: Netflix as well, Lions at the Vikings, who are of

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Speaker 4: course got brosmer in for JJ McCarthy with the hairline

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Speaker 4: fracturer in his hand. And then we go on to

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Speaker 4: from Netflix to Amazon Prime Video for the late game

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Speaker 4: between the Broncos and the Chiefs, where Denver is a

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Speaker 4: thirteen and a half point favorite.

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Speaker 3: And can I say that is Martin? Uh huh? Not interested?

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Speaker 1: I will not n OTV watching NFL football on Christmas.

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Speaker 5: What I find hilarious is that the running joke is normally,

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Speaker 5: oh it's Netflix time when the game sucks, right, or

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Speaker 5: it's like p has five times, it's like, well, they'll

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Speaker 5: already be on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Is this gonna be the thing that moves people to

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Speaker 3: cable right cause you can't. You can't go to Netflix

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Speaker 3: to run from it. Yeah, I run from it on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to me TV or something

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Speaker 1: and use the antenna off try to find something else,

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Speaker 1: some marathon or something, or some Christmas movies that are on.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and Lee, you just talked about it. The

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Speaker 1: spreads tell you all you need to know, like like

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Speaker 1: these are not supposed to be competitive, bad matchups. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure when they thought about it that the implications would

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Speaker 1: have been great.

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Speaker 3: You know the Lions Vikings. You know, that was a big.

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Speaker 1: Game last year, the last game of the year that

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Speaker 1: decided the division. So that's always something. But the Vikings

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Speaker 1: aren't there. And if the Packers win on Saturday, right,

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Speaker 1: what am I thinking?

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Speaker 3: Uh so the lines play tomorrow. But if the Packers

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Speaker 3: win a Saturday, the Lions are done, right.

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Speaker 1: They gotta win two games and the Packers have to lose.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of lines to make it as well.

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Speaker 4: The Lens went out and the Packers lose a game,

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Speaker 4: I think they're in no, no.

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Speaker 3: No, they got to lose two games.

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Speaker 1: The Packers got to lose both games because remember there's

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Speaker 1: a tie there.

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Speaker 3: They have one less loss than the Lions. Either way,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, It's two and two. The only way

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Speaker 1: the Packers don't make the playoffs. They got to lose

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Speaker 1: both and the Lions have.

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Speaker 3: To win both. That's the only way. So are you

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Speaker 3: into it? Are you gonna be watching what? I'm in

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Speaker 3: the football? But I'm in all but not good bad football.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm in a football. To me, watching a

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Speaker 3: game is like buying a ticket to a movie.

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Speaker 5: Like if you're into movies, you have no promise that

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Speaker 5: this movie you're walking into going to be good.

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Speaker 1: So you never flip away from a blowout or a

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Speaker 1: terrible game, a loop side of game.

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Speaker 3: You're talking to the wrong guy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm asking Kay, I'll say this Lee wear you

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Speaker 1: real quick. Did you turn off a bad game like

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Speaker 1: a blop side of game?

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Speaker 3: I don't. It depends how long into the game, and if.

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Speaker 1: It's not not your team, not like say it's not

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Speaker 1: the Packers, You're not going to turn off.

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Speaker 3: A Packers now that stays on all day, all day.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, this is a game that you're

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Speaker 1: watching like the Cowboys and the Commanders. If it's forty

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Speaker 1: one to nothing in the second quarter, I'm you're sticking around.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I'll leave it on the TV. But I'll walk away.

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Speaker 4: I'll go I'll go do something in the kitchen. I'll

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Speaker 4: go hang out that socialized do something with somebody else.

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Speaker 5: I'm not exactly clocking every single play like I would

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Speaker 5: have in that ram Seahawks game from a couple of

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Speaker 5: weeks ago, like where it comes down to the final possession,

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Speaker 5: it's all well and great.

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Speaker 3: This my problem. I think the NFL when.

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Speaker 5: I was growing up, like Sunday at one o'clock was

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Speaker 5: almost like an extension of church, right, like everybody went

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Speaker 5: to church in the morning, and this Sunday at one

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Speaker 5: o'clock or noon, because I lived in several time zone

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Speaker 5: was now another like religious gathering.

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Speaker 3: Because I grew up watching the Saints and that team

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Speaker 3: was terrible.

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Speaker 5: They always played at noon, ain't They always played at noon?

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Speaker 3: It was never a Monday night at there. You know

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Speaker 3: none of that.

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Speaker 5: And I think that one of the things that the NFL,

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Speaker 5: one of the things that makes the NFL special is

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Speaker 5: that ritualistic nature of my team is more than likely

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Speaker 5: going to play Sunday at one o'clock, and you build

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Speaker 5: it into your schedule and build it into your routine,

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Speaker 5: and it's.

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Speaker 3: The only sport. That's like that.

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Speaker 5: The more they put these games on standalone windows, they

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Speaker 5: try to make a new primetime window in the morning

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Speaker 5: by playing a game in London, in Spain or Germany.

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Speaker 3: Whatever. All you're doing that is make it to the

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Speaker 3: West coast doesn't watch right, like they don't care. But

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Speaker 3: like to me, you want to have Thursday night football? Cool?

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Speaker 5: Have one team played Thursday, because this is what happens

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Speaker 5: in the NFL and the college football Playoff is finding

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Speaker 5: the same problem. When you have all the games happen

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Speaker 5: Sunday at one o'clock, we see two or three great.

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Speaker 3: Endings and you'll sit there and be like, this is

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Speaker 3: a great day of football. Right, But you know what,

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Speaker 3: you didn't.

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Speaker 5: See thirty eight to six Jaguars over Chargers, Right, you

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Speaker 5: didn't see that because it was a standalone It's very

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Speaker 5: much like the same thing as the first week in

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Speaker 5: the March madness. There's only like six good games they

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Speaker 5: have to play sixty eight to get to it.

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Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: There's only like three four good games on a Sunday,

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Speaker 5: they have to play like twelve to get to it.

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Speaker 5: You're eliminating that opportunity by having three games tomorrow and

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Speaker 5: the benefit, the juice is not worth the squeeze because,

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Speaker 5: like you said, every every when you're sitting there with

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Speaker 5: grandma and your girlfriend and mom, they gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, where's where if that point I was in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? Oh he tore his acl. Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 3: is out. Oh where's this back? Oh he's out too. Oh.

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Speaker 5: You know, all the players with any name recognition for

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Speaker 5: your average you know person who is dipping in on holidays.

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Speaker 3: Like this, they're gone. So the whole juice of all

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Speaker 3: of it is so it's not even worth it. But

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Speaker 3: to me, and this is the guy who would not work.

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Speaker 1: When I was in high school, I wouldn't work on

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Speaker 1: Sundays during football season. I was a shoe salesman. I

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Speaker 1: went to my boss at a sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Year old No.

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Speaker 1: Lie Shelley Zimmerman at stride right at the Queens Center Mall. Shelley,

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Speaker 1: I don't work on Sundays from September to December. Like

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Speaker 1: you know, you work at a mall, you gotta work weekends.

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Speaker 1: I work any other days for you, Sundays during the

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Speaker 1: summer whatever it is. Football season though my mom used

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Speaker 1: to let me leave church early, Martin, even though we

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Speaker 1: were within walking distance of the church so that I

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Speaker 1: could see the kickoff. I didn't want to come in

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Speaker 1: in the first quarter eight minutes in. I want to

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Speaker 1: watch the game from kickoff, the entire game. I look

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Speaker 1: over at her as ten minutes to one to give

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Speaker 1: me the high sign. You know what I mean, you

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Speaker 1: could bounce.

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Speaker 3: I'm out.

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Speaker 1: I'm walking home by myself because I want to go

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Speaker 1: see the football game. But as I get older, and

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Speaker 1: even as a football guy who does this for a

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Speaker 1: living and I enjoy football blowouts, games that don't matter,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not a fantasy guy. And I get

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Speaker 1: people who watch fantasy, they watch that, but these games

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Speaker 1: are unappealing to me. They just are You just said it.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs, No Patrick, no Rice that is not playing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who else is missing. Gardner Minshew is out,

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Speaker 1: like like we're down to the third funs.

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Speaker 5: I asked, remember when Julio Jones went to Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: YEP. I asked. A guy who was coaching in the

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Speaker 3: NFC West at the time, said, how are you going

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Speaker 3: to handle this?

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Speaker 5: Like, like, how are you gonna be able to stop

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Speaker 5: a j Brown Julio Jones and Derek Henrick at the

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Speaker 5: same time. He said, we'll see if they're all there

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Speaker 5: when we play, and sure enough, two of the three

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Speaker 5: missed that game. I forget what you know. Two of

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Speaker 5: the three missed that game. And that's the life of

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Speaker 5: the NFL. That's the reality of the NFL. I get it,

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Speaker 5: like the idea that you can schedule out week one,

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Speaker 5: that you know who's gonna be there week thirteen, the

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Speaker 5: same in a way that you kind of can in

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Speaker 5: the NBA.

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Speaker 3: It's just not true.

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Speaker 1: But but that but that's always why when people have

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Speaker 1: schedule shows, when they announce the schedule and they give

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Speaker 1: you the record and they tell you what you know,

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Speaker 1: like like, you know, it is silly, and I've said

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Speaker 1: it all, just absolutely silly because you don't know who's

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Speaker 1: going to play week nine or week eleven or week twelve.

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Speaker 1: Like the idea that you know everybody's gonna be healthy,

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Speaker 1: you know, have any say, oh, yeah, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a win.

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Speaker 3: For them, not gonna No, No, it doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 3: But football to me is not sure.

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Speaker 1: Can I have it on his background noise? Absolutely, But

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about watch the game. I just can't see

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Speaker 1: Washington and Dallas. What would I want to Why would

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Speaker 1: I want to watch that? As much as I love football,

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Speaker 1: that game does not do anything for me. The Lions

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Speaker 1: game I want to see coming off that Pittsburgh loss.

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Speaker 1: Do they come and take it out on the Vikings

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Speaker 1: or do they lose it.

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Speaker 5: If they lose to the Viking. I think the Lions

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Speaker 5: have a very there is See That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I can find a storyline in anything, but to me,

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Speaker 5: the Lions losing this this Vikings game, to me, is

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Speaker 5: a sign that you are on the right side of this,

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Speaker 5: like your opinion, Rob has been on the right side

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Speaker 5: of this. Like, seriously, you went back to back. You

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Speaker 5: weren't losing back to back games. Okay, okay, cool, You're

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Speaker 5: on a wind streak. Now you go up and down,

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Speaker 5: up and down, up and down. Now you start losing

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Speaker 5: back to back games. Like it's just something like things

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Speaker 5: are going the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: And Martin and you know what I've said, right, because

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Speaker 1: we did a show together about it, I've said the

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Speaker 1: window was closed.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. If your line's fan, you look

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Speaker 3: at it and go.

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Speaker 1: We went from NFC Championship game to the best record

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Speaker 1: we ever had in franchise history, fifteen to two, home

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Speaker 1: field throughout the playoffs, lose to a rookie quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: now year three, no postseason. Like that is a dramatic

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. It's like you're going

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Speaker 1: you're going the wrong way. And I know everybody said, oh,

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Speaker 1: but they got young players and they're signed and all that.

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Speaker 3: No, and the division is getting better too.

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Speaker 5: Well that's the thing that to me, like it's kind

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Speaker 5: of the soundly alarmed Ben Johnson and Chicago. They seem

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Speaker 5: to be figuring its right. They probably won't be the

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Speaker 5: one seed next year. But okay, so you go from

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Speaker 5: winning thirteen games to win in ten games. Guess what's

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Speaker 5: still a good team, right? Vikings have a great roster,

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Speaker 5: just have quarterbacks. Let them find a guy with the

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Speaker 5: ride on them that can go back there and play.

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Speaker 5: And you see that team was fourteen wins last year. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: thirteen wins. They were right there last year. They got

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Speaker 5: a lot of talent on the run and so the

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Speaker 5: thing that gets and then the new had the Packers.

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Speaker 5: The other thing that gets me with the Lions is

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Speaker 5: it's the same problems it's it's the same issues, the

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Speaker 5: same defensive injuries. Right, consistent defensive offense hasn't been the issue.

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Speaker 5: Even when they switched the offensive coordinate. There's still scoring points.

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Speaker 5: They're still moving the ball. The reason the Commanders beat

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Speaker 5: them in the playoffs last year they scored forty some points.

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Speaker 5: They got beat because they couldn't play any defensive They

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Speaker 5: all carved them up.

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Speaker 1: Also, also, you got Jared Goff have four in four turnovers,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. But even he's just saying yeah, yeah, But

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Speaker 1: I'm saying four turnovers in a playoff game. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what playoff game are gonna win. When your quarterback

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Speaker 1: those three picks and fumbles the football like that turned

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Speaker 1: the game around. And then that halfback that was another interception.

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Speaker 1: Remember the running back through the interception.

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Speaker 3: Jamison Williams. I believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was It was crazy all right,

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Speaker 1: seven ninety nine on Fox?

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Speaker 3: Where are you are you watching football? Regardless?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who's playing, or if the games don't matter,

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Speaker 1: or the score blowed out, if the team's getting blowed out,

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Speaker 1: as they say in the barbershop, Are you watching regardless?

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Speaker 1: Or are you do you pick and choose do you go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend my time on this. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: watch that. Is there a game really this Sun, this Thursday,

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Speaker 1: this Christmas Day that you're dying to watch?

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Speaker 3: Or are you on board with me? I'm looking for

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Speaker 3: a Golden Girls marathon somewhere