WEBVTT - How The CBA Will Change Trades Around The Association 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.880 I want to talk about the CBA because there's not 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.280 that many people who really understand it, and you working 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.279 for SPoD Track, and you being around the league for 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.200 as long as you are, you're the first person that 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.520 came to mind. So thankfully we already had this interview schedule. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.400 When you took the time to absorb the main changes 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.520 in the CBA, what was your first overall reaction. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:35.320 I think they made it so that the middle class 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.000 of the league is going to have some significant advantages 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:43.280 in acquiring players. They made it harder for the most 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.519 expensive teams to acquire players, but they also gave them 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.160 avenues to keep players that they already have. I think 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.600 the problem with the so called hardcap was always going 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.160 to be, Hey, if we're the Warriors, because that's the 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.160 team everybody uses for as an example. We've drafted really 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.880 well and developed really well, why should we get penalized 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.160 and have to lose guys? And I think the NBA, 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.440 basically along with the NBPA, said you know what, you're 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.480 kind of right, but we still can't have you trading 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.080 for everybody under the sun and signing a bunch of 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:16.840 guys in that So we're going to put in some 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.800 limitters on you that'll make it hard. And it's not 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.960 just the Warriors. The Clippers are in that boat. There's 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.000 a handful of other teams that'll probably be in that 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.160 position over the next few years. But it's we're gonna 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.560 make it harder on you to do get new players 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.600 that don't come through the draft and through minimum signings 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.679 and the like. And then for the middle class teams, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.080 we're gonna give you a whole bunch of ways that 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.160 you can go get players that maybe you didn't have 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.360 available to you in the past. So I think they're 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.560 just trying to increase that parody around the league. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.440 There's a lot of people who think that this is 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.400 a These are seismic changes that we're not going to 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.200 really fully understand for years to come. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.640 In your opinion, how monumental is it? 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:05.400 Pretty big. I think we're gonna see some teams. The 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.560 kind of buzzword right now is what are the unintended consequences? Right? 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.919 Because it's always you get into this stuff, you feel 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.760 really good about where it is, and then one thing 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.680 we know that these teams do, they hire really smart 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.360 people who find ways to work around all the rules 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.160 they put in place. It's a big part of it. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.920 I always say, you know, the CBA is a agreement to 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.280 make it fair, and then it's people's jobs to find 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.480 ways to work around that inherent fairness, to give themselves advantages, 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.480 to find loopholes, all those things. So I think what's 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.320 gonna happen is it is going to take years for 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.920 this to fully play out, because it's not like one 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.000 all these changes are coming in immediately next season. It's 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.000 some of these things they've already said they're going to 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.560 be phased in over a period of time. And I 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.320 think that's fair to the teams because if we stick 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.080 with that Warriors example, well they've already built the roster 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.919 they've built. It's not necessarily fair to say, all right, hey, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.280 all the tools you have, you lose them all right now. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.280 Now you've got to kind of reset and restart right 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.480 from square one. So I think we'll see some phasing 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.160 into some of these changes. I think the other part 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.239 of it, too is we got to see how teams 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.280 react to these things, because teams are gonna make different 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.760 decisions than they might have otherwise. We may see teams say, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.160 you know what, once we're up and over this second 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.760 tax apron, which I think sounds silly, So I'm calling 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.160 it the supertax because I think that sounds way cooler. Yeah, 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.639 so once you're over the super tax, you're gonna be 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.320 in a spot where, wow, you know, we really got 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.480 to resign our own guys because we have no other 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.040 way to get talent, or I think the other option 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.480 is we're in a position where some teams are gonna say, 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.560 all right, you know what, we gotta let player X 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.839 go because we've got to get our books in order, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.240 and the only way is to start shutting some salary. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.040 So we're gonna let him go. And you're gonna just 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.440 see differences in you know, a roster building and those 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.480 kind of things. I think drafting well, developing well, it's 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.920 going to have more importance than it's maybe ever had 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.080 in the league because having one cost control players is 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.120 going to be huge in those things. But these, again 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.920 are changes we're going to It's gonna take us probably 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.200 three four years, right into the middle of this six 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.720 to seven year agreement to really start to feel the 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.120 full effect of It. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.039 Was reported that there were like hundreds of proposals throughout 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.599 the time. What was the NBA itself, the league trying 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:28.080 to achieve with these changes, and what was the NBPA 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:29.880 trying to achieve with the changes. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.440 Yeah, the good news is it seems like they went 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.840 into this on roughly the same page with a lot 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.960 of the stuff. The first big thing that they were 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.160 really good with was the revenue split. That it's essentially 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.320 a fifty to fifty split. It can range from forty 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.360 nine to fifty one, but it's essentially fifty to fifty. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.600 Once you're good there, that makes everything else easier. I'm 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.600 not gonna say it's easy, but it makes it easier. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.320 And I think you know they were. It's funny. I 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.000 was told wrecked by someone involved, was yeah, the one 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.480 and done role negotiation was like, NBA doesn't want this, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.240 NBPA doesn't really want this, so why is this a conversation? Well, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.279 neither one wanted to be the one to say like, hey, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.000 we don't want this, because then they look like the 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.760 bad guy. But I think the NBA's main goal was 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.120 let's increase some of this parody and let's make sure 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.880 we are not getting into a world where, hey, if 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.640 you're one of the most richest teams in the league 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.000 for lack of a better term, and you are in 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.280 a big market, you can just outspend everybody by a 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.320 level that the playing field just is vast and separated. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.320 It starts to look a little bit like, yeah, we 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.400 have a cap, but what difference does it make if 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.360 you can just keep adding salary and keep adding salary. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.320 So I think that was their goal. I think the 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.279 nbpa's goal was, all right, we can work with you 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.080 within that, but what we want to do is if 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.920 you're going to cap those top teams on how much 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.080 they can spend, it can't be that that just goes away. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.719 We need to push it back into the market somewhere. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.760 Because their end goal is now with the addition of 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.960 a third two way spot, they're gonna have up to 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.880 five hundred and forty guys in the league at a time, 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.320 and it's we're going to take care of five hundred 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.960 plus players. It's not just about Lebron James and Steph 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.960 Curry and the guys who make forty to fifty million 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.240 a year. We got to take care of all the 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.400 way down. And I think that's some of the stuff 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.880 that they they they wanted, and I think in a 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.200 lot of ways they came to some pretty good agreements 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.560 on that stuff where it is all right, hey, we're 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.720 gonna give here, but you give here, and that rebalances 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.080 and we'll see how that rebalances the league. Ultimately. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.880 In the end, Draymond was very upset. He tweeted that 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.680 the players got screwed. He said, I don't understand how 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:48.400 we are the driving labor of this entire system and 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.160 we end up, you know, getting the short end of 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.200 the stick. What do you think if you had to guess, 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.279 because I'm sure you know, there's a lot of things 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.840 that he could have issue with. What do you think 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.240 is there any one thing or a couple of things 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.960 that would make him feel this way or have other 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:06.000 players feel this way? 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.480 Yeah, I think there's a few things with that. I 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.480 think the first was that was probably an immediate reaction 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:17.080 because the first handful of things that came out were, Wow, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.640 this doesn't look great for the players. It was kind 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.400 of that was like the Saturday reporting. When we got 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.559 into Sundays reporting, it was like, wa, wait a minute, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.760 they can invest in NBA teams and WNBA teams. They're 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.400 broadening what they can be corporate partners on and those 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.040 sort of things, and then when you saw a lot 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.120 of those changes, like, all right, this makes a lot 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.960 more sense. I don't presume to know what details Draymond 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.280 Green had and didn't have. I can tell you I 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.480 know I've talked to people on both the player side 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.720 and the team side. They don't have all the details 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.920 yet because this is kind of agreed to in principle 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.560 and they're still hammering stuff out. That's why we don't 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.600 have the Elite full term sheet. And it's like every 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.040 two hours we're getting like, here's another detail, because it's 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.280 kind of all right, we finish it and go. So 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.920 I'm guessing it was probably a bit of an overreaction 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.360 to the immediate reporting on it. And I think there's 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:11.440 also a a this was personal to him because in 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.160 a lot of ways you could call some of those 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.440 immediate measures like the Warriors measures of like, hey, we 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.640 can't have another Warriors come along, right, And it's funny because, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.680 and I keep using him as an example, even in 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.280 the last couple of years, the Clippers have outspent everybody. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.000 So I think what we run into in this situation 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.040 with these guys is they run into a spot where 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.160 it is, hey, like we want to you know, I'm 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.880 gonna spout off, but it's because this is hurting me 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.760 and my team and if I resign here, like we're 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.560 not going to be able to go sign other guys 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.360 and all these sorts of things. So I kind of 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.400 get where he's coming from, because I think in a sense, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.400 he's just trying to take care of him himself and 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:48.920 the guys he's most immediate with. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.720 Right now, do you think that the league does not 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.120 want dynasties, It's. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.280 A good question. I think they welcome dynasties. Like kind 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.079 of what the Warriors have been, which is the core 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.959 of the team was drafted, They were developed by them. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.839 They kind of came and grew up together and came 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.600 into prominence together, and then they've made really smart moves 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.920 around those guys to kind of supplement them. But if 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.840 you look at their main guys, because everybody has a 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.760 and then I don't mean to denigrate like Dante DiVincenzo 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.000 and the Jamichael Green, but every team has guys like that, right, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.079 a guy they signed with the middle level exception, a 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.040 guy they signed on a minimum contract. But if you're 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:35.040 the Warriors, other than Andrew Wiggins, which was shrewd salary 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.040 slot management by all right, Hey, Kevin Durantz going to Brooklyn, Hey, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.960 why don't we make that a sign and trade, double 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.000 sign and trade where we get D'Angel Russell and we 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.360 preserved that thirty million salary slot, and then it was 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.000 all right, now we're gonna move him on to get 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.240 Andrew Wiggins. But outside Andrew Wiggins, every single guy in 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:59.280 their rotation they drafted, and they developed Curry, Thompson, Green, Looney, Pool, Kaminga. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.079 Those are their own draft picks. So I think the 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.360 league is in a spot where if you do it 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.560 that way, and I don't I hate to say any 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.600 way of building a roster is the right way. I 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.000 think there's a million right ways, and there's definitely some 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.400 wrong ways for sure, But if you build it in 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.240 that way, we're gonna give you the ability you can 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.839 keep it together, keep paying all those guys because we're 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.920 not restricting you on paying those guys, and just keep going. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.679 So don't think they're against dynasties. I think what they 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.160 don't want to see is they all, right, hey, we 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.640 loaded up in two years, and then we kept adding, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.040 kept adding, kept adding, and then all of a sudden 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.720 it's you know, we've outspent everybody by you know, one 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.480 hundred million dollars, and you know, we're we're just kind 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.840 of I think they don't like the Clippers kind of 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.080 run of let's just keep replacing and then all right, hey, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.160 this guy makes twenty five we're gonna turn him into 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.600 a thirty five million dollar player, and those kind of things. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.320 I think that's where it gets really messy for the league, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.679 and the league doesn't like that kind of team building 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.800 because then it just looks like the rich get richer. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.079 Can you explain how it fundamentally changes how trades are made, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:02.400 kind of in the technical way. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:03.439 Sure. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.480 Yeah, So from the details we know right now, the 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.920 kind of normal everyday trade between two teams that are 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.400 well under the tax or maybe just at the tax line, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.720 that'll pretty much stay the same. You'll have a little 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.920 bit of a range where you can work in. You 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.040 might be able to trade a twenty million dollar guy 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.880 and bring in somebody who makes twenty five million, and 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.800 that's kind of the range it's always been in. But 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.120 for these so called super tax teams, the big thing 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.360 is they can't take on any additional money in trades. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.000 If all the reporting proves to be accurate. So what's 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.040 going to happen for them is if I want to 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.880 trade a twenty million dollar player, I can only bring 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.520 in twenty million or less in salary. I don't have 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.080 that ability to go get somebody else. And that's just 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.839 gonna make things a little bit difficult on them. Now, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.120 I mentioned before, smart teams are gonna find workarounds, They're 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.400 going to do things. What we may see end up 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.400 happening is, Okay, that guy who's on a roster makes 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.920 twenty million, we're going to re sign him for thirty million. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.000 Mostly so now we have a thirty million dollar trade 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.319 chip and we can go get that twenty five million 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.280 dollar player or a thirty million dollar player that wouldn't 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.960 be available to us prior. So that's the kind of 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.480 roster maneuvering I think you're gonna see from some of 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.320 those teams. It's gonna become a lot more about salary 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.080 slots than essentially the players that are filling them. And 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.800 that's a sometimes even me, mister salary gap, is like, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.679 that's a I feel gross thinking of it that way, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.520 because it's like there's still human beings and there's still players. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:32.840 But at the end of the day, I don't feel 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.920 too gross because that guy's gonna make twenty five or 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.880 thirty million. So you know what kind of is what 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.920 it is you sign up for that much money, you're 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.600 probably signing up to maybe be traded. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:46.199 Yeah, what blockbuster trades for those who you know, maybe 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.480 don't know happened recently that would not be allowed in 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.720 this new CBA. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.560 Yeah, and there were there's a handful. So the immediate 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:00.000 ones that come to mind this year are Kevin Durant 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.600 in Kyrie Irving because both of those teams, Phoenix and 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.160 Dallas would be you know, over the super tax or 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.320 into the supertax, and in that position, they would not 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.520 have been able to take on money, which both of 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.800 them did in their trades to get those guys another Uh, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.640 you know, if we go back, James Harden to Brooklyn 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.160 is one even one from this summer. A team that's 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.719 not necessarily super expensive, like Malcolm Brogden to the Celtics 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.080 is another one that might not have happened. So I 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.760 think we're in a position where, yeah, a handful of 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.000 these these trades may not have happened that have happened 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.520 otherwise anything that was even something as kind of low key, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.480 low end, that nice move, but no one really cares 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.160 about it. Like even like Mike Mescala to the Celtics 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.880 right before the trade deadline kind of buzzed was they 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.640 brought him in with sending no salary out the other 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.920 way and even in or sending very littles out the 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.400 other way and brought him in by an exception, and 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.280 that becomes a one where wouldn't have been able to happen, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.959 even a small minor deal like that that was, hey 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.200 we're gonna add some bench dep for a playoff run. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:07.760 You wouldn't have been able to do those things. And 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:09.959 those are the things where we're going to see teams 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.120 have to have a different strategy on moving forward. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.959 So I don't want to be one of those people 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.000 who puts on a tinfoil hat. But this is the 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.320 first thing that came to mind as you said that Kyrie, 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:27.479 vice president of the NBPA. Is there any chance that 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.920 that factored in this new CBA factored in to Kyrie 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.240 seeing the writing on the wall and saying, this is 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.480 kind of my shot to get to another team, and 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.200 therefore as well as Kevin if those both of those 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.320 trades weren't going to be possible moving forward. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.640 Maybe I don't know how deep they were into the 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.520 negotiations at that point that all that went down. And 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.240 I tend to like anytime I think I have Kyrie 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.960 kind of pegged, I realize I'm completely wrong and I 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.520 don't know anything about the guy. That means, you know, 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.320 one of the more confusing players in the league too 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.240 to me. And I don't even necessarily mean that in 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.080 a bad way. I just you know, he's just there's 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.600 things I just don't understand with him. So it's it's 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.280 certainly possible. I think we you know, he may have 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.760 been like, hey, there, you know, what I know through 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.440 negotiations is they're tightening things up. They're going to make 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.480 it harder on us to figure things out. But I 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.880 think we're in a position where, yeah, it's probably one 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.520 of those things where it's this just was kind of 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.600 an offshoot, and I don't know how much he cared 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.840 about that. I think it was much more other reasons 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.680 where he's like, hey, this nets thing's going nowhere. I 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.040 can't get to the Lakers right now, but I still 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.520 want to get out of here and then I'll figure 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:39.760 out my next move after that. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.760 Let's talk about the ramifications though, because it feels like 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.480 it's the death of super teams to an degree. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.160 Yeah, it's gonna be very hard to put together a 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.280 super team on the fly because and it's already kind 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.920 of hard anyway with some of the things that have 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.240 happened with the cap and the like. But it's really 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.440 I think now your super teams are going to be more. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.560 Let's use Oklahoma City as an example. They've drafted really well. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.760 They've got a bunch of really good young players, and 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.760 they've got flexibility while they're still a quote unquote cheaper 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.000 team roster wise, to add a bunch more talent in 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.680 as they kind of build this thing up, and then 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.480 what happens is they'll be able to build all the 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.840 way up to becoming potentially one of these super tax teams. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.600 And that's how you'll build your super team. Is you 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.640 draft well, you develop well, you add talent while you're cheap, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.800 and now you've got your eight nine to ten man 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.760 roster filled out with a bunch of really good players. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.320 A little bit of moves you can make here and 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.800 there around that, but that's how you'll build your team up. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.640 I think the days of teams, Hey, we're clearing the deck, right, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.800 We're going all the way down to barely any salary 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.800 on the books, and we're going to go get three 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.200 max free agents. I think what we've seen, and I 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.120 think it's a lesson the Lakers have taught teams over 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.680 the last couple of years, is we don't hit on 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.480 the exact right three guys and then nail all of 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.560 your minimum signings after that, because that's essentially all you 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.160 have left. You're gonna struggle because if those guys miss 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.200 times or miss games rather all of a sudden, you're 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.240 in a spot where you can't win because you're rolling 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.640 out guys who are you know, fringe NBA players for 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.239 you know, twenty five thirty forty minutes a night in 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.600 too many of these games. So I think that's kind 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.040 of gone by the wayside already. But I think even 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.960 more so, it's gonna be draft develop ad talent while 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.040 you're a cheaper team, and that's how you build up to, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.720 you know, the next kind of dynastic type teams. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.280 What about players that are going to be super Max 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.520 eligible and may not be exactly in love with their 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.480 current situation. It feels like it's a lot more difficult 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.720 for them to be able to get to another team 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.760 or force themselves to another team, given how this new 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.080 CBA is operating. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.520 Do you think that this is one. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.080 Of those situations where star players will end up signing 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.240 shorter term deals so that they can figure out where 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:06.760 they want to be in free agency. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.840 That's a good question. This is where I tend to 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.200 lean to the history of things, whereas when you put 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.600 the most possible money in front of a player, they 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.439 almost always take it and right wrong or indifferent, and 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.800 I tend to be a little bit more indifferent on it. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.520 I don't mind when a player takes a max contract 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.920 and then turns and says two years in, I don't 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.840 really want to be here. Trade me. And why I'm 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.119 indifferent about it is teams do it all the time. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.639 Teams sign guys and then they're a here into a deal, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.440 They're like, it's not really working out. We're going to 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.479 move them, and I don't know why. Collectively, as media 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.080 and fans of the NBA, we've decided that's okay. But 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.359 when a player tries to do it, it's like, hey, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.600 you signed a contract, so did the team. You know, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.520 I also wouldn't have had a problem if the NBA, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.720 and there's been no reporting of this in the new 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.159 CBA yet. We'll see if it's something that comes out 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.320 later put in more restrictions round and trade, whereas, hey, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.919 you signed a super Max, you're not trade eligible for 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.200 three seasons of it, and you've got to play out 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.199 more than half of that contract. Maybe that isn't there. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:10.679 I don't know. I know that was one of the 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.879 you said earlier. There were hundreds of proposals. I know 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.600 for sure that was one of them that was on 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.240 the table. But to answer your question is I tend 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.080 to think when players really want to be somewhere, they'll 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.840 make it happen, especially if that team really wants them 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.760 to be there. There's ways to make it happen. One 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.520 of the cool changes that they got rid of, but 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.639 that came out just in the last couple of days, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.640 is the restrictions on how many designated players. Those are 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.119 tend to be like the Supermax guys. It used to 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.520 be you can only have like two of one type 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.880 on your team and two of another type, and only 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.119