1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: Oh hey up, Elizabeth stuck up on me. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 3: I know, I just ran in here. I was, I 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 3: was almost really late. 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: I know. 6 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 4: I'm sitting here file in my nails doing nothing. But 7 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 4: I'm glad you made it. 8 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: Thank you. My shoes melted. 9 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: I see that it's hot out there, and. 10 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah it was hard. I got stuck, but I'm here. 11 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Good. Come, glad you made it. 12 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 3: Listen. You know it's ridiculous. 13 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 4: Oh that's what I've been waiting. I've been sitting here, 14 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 4: tapping my fingers, waiting to tell you. I read this 15 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 4: in account from a flight attendant who recalled when a 16 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 4: famous celebrity came onto a plane and joined the Mile 17 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 4: High Club. 18 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: Oh God, and I'll give you a hint. He's a 19 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: folk singer. Oh no, yeah, it was Art Garfuncle. You're 20 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: ready for the day he joined the Mile High Clubs. 21 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 4: According to the flight attendant, the singer Art Garfunkle went 22 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 4: into the first class bathroom with his girlfriend on a 23 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: seven two seven during the day, and when they came out, 24 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: everyone cheered, So he went to the galley, got a beer, 25 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 4: shook it up, and sprayed the whole section. 26 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so crass. Everyone is showing up 27 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 3: to me cross. 28 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: I thought you'd like that one. That's it. That's all 29 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: I got for you. 30 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: Did you know that when you played I'm gonna give 31 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: this away now, when you play twenty questions, a really 32 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: good thing to pick is Art Garfuncle. People. It takes 33 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: a long time for people to get there. 34 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: Oh maybe I haven't played twenty questions in a long time. 35 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: Why would that be, I don't know, but it's like 36 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: no one really takes it takes a long time for 37 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: people to get to Art Garfuncle. That's true, a leg 38 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: those are my two twenty questions. 39 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: I'm never playing with You know you shouldn't. 40 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's ridiculous Art Garfunkle. 41 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: Joining the club? 42 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, Okay, I got a rain bleach. That's ridiculous. 43 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: But you know what else is ridiculous being a human 44 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: excavator for cash. Oh, this is ridiculous Crime A podcast 45 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 3: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: Damn right, bank heists. 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have my interest. 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: Go on and stop won't stop. I'm on a bit 50 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: of a tear here. 51 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: You gotta love them. What do you have against banks? 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Everything? Get them, sick them. I've taken you to England 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: and New York with this. You've done France and Greece. 54 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: I gee, now we're headed to sunny Los Angeles, California. 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: Do you know where that is? 56 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 4: It's south of here, right, yes, I used to live there. 57 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: I should be able to find it on the map. 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: Well for a while there and that maybe when you 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: were living there. La was called the bank robbery Capital 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: of the world. 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it was the late nineties. 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: It was the thing, well all the way back to 63 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: the seventies. Here's a book about it. It's called Where 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: the Money Is, which we all know where that phrase comest. 65 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: True Tales from the Bank Robbery Capital of the World. 66 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: It's by Gordon Dillo, who's a veteran newspaper crime reporter 67 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: out of Orange County, California, County Register probably and William Raider, 68 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: who was a retired thirty three year veteran of the 69 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: FBI based out of La So. Raider he was once 70 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: described by CBS News as America's secret weapon in the 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: war against bank robbers. Let me tell you some of 72 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: the ones he's worked. There was once a Canadian bank 73 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: robbery crew. That's a terrible limerick. I think this was 74 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: in the seventies, but don't quote me on that. So 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: these Canadians they came down to LA to try their 76 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: hand at good old American bank robins. 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: Oh I like it, ambition, man. 78 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: They were good. 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: Oh really? 80 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: So they selected a bank in Hollywood, which to those 81 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: not from California, I think Hollywood is seen as like 82 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: purely TV and movies and celebrities and palm trees. It's 83 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: a company town, you know, But it's not the way 84 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: that people think it is. 85 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: No, No, it's a lot moreists at this point. 86 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So Hollywood Bank. The Canadians come up with the 87 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: perfect plan. They got themselves construction uniforms and equipment, they 88 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: got a truck, they got a lot of fake paperwork, 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: like work orders and stuff like that. They showed up 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: at the bank and they said that they were there 91 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: to build the addition. We're here to build the addition. 92 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: What addition? Bank manager says this one. And then they 93 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: show all the paperwork. They got blueprints, they got work orders, 94 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: and they're like, you know, come on, we're on the 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: clock here. Everything looks superficial. The main office, you know, 96 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: always pulling this kind of thing, not telling the people 97 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: at the branch what the hooplaws going on. So like, yeah, sure, 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: go ahead and get started. The manager tells the crew. 99 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: Wait, so he does Michael Scott's and be like, oh, yeah, 100 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: this is totally fine. I'm not going to call it 101 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: like normal corporate. 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't want to be looked at like I missed 103 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: the memo. 104 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to get in trouble for that. 105 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: So they get all set up exactly, they go to work. 106 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 3: They use their work as cover for the fact that 107 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: they were blasting a hole in the wall of the vault. 108 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: I have such a hard time thinking that the people 109 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: at the bank weren't suspicious. 110 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the ones who aren't the manager. 111 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're thinking like, oh my god, how's this anyway? 112 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: You know that there had to be one special investigator 113 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: busy body at work. 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Jim and Pam. 115 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: Of this world really tying this into the I'm. 116 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: Trying to I'm trying to do something you don't know. 117 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep tying. 118 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think I would have been if I worked there, 119 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: I would have been the one busy body who told 120 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: everyone they think it's hinky, Like don't you think this 121 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: is weird? But no one listened apparently, and then you know, 122 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: like if I'm there, it gets all exposed and then 123 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: I feel vindicated and no one cares. No one listens 124 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: to Elizabeth. They would bemown I. Let's say their name 125 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: is Elizabeth. Whatever the bank. So the Canadians they get 126 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: into the vault, they empty it out, and then they're gone. 127 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: How are they getting the money? Did we know about that? 128 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: Put it in the truck? 129 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: Oh? I was just wonder if they had like a 130 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: whole plan of like moving out in construction bags are 131 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: probably something. Yeah. 132 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: Well, so they make it to the safe They go 133 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: through their take at the safe house. It's amazing, so 134 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: much stuff. But they needed to get rid of the evidence, 135 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: Like if the cops figured out where the safe house was, 136 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: they'd be toast. They would be cooked, they'd be in 137 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: the heat, they'd be baked. Yeah, so they used gasoline 138 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: to wipe down the surfaces and destroy their fingerprints, and 139 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: then the fumes from the gasoline met the pilot light. 140 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah that's not good. 141 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: Was history? Terrible Cleaningblamo. They all wound up in the hospital. 142 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: Just takes vapors too, not even totally. The liquid doesn't 143 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: have to touch. 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: I think it's lucky that they only went to the hospital. Yes, 145 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: but from there they went to jail. 146 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: That happens. 147 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: That happens. 148 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: So, yeah, being chained to your hospital bed or like 149 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: you know, like handcuffed. 150 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: Your So then here's another crew that he was dealing 151 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: with a group of yacks. You know what that means, 152 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: a yak. 153 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: A yak's not jumping yards after the catch. Yeah, Jerry Rice, 154 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: thank you, producer Davi and we talked like really good hands. 155 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: We're talking Yugoslavia, Albania, Croatia, Serbia. Oh I've never heard 156 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: the Eastern European heist crew. 157 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, they so like instead of calling them Slavs or 158 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 4: the former Yugoslavian nations, they're starting. 159 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: Remember we've talked about them on this before. Well from 160 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: back a Serbian friend, Yeah, ask him if he's down. 161 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: So this particular crew was from the East Coast and 162 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: they became known here on the West coast as the 163 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: Batman and Robin bandits. 164 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I have remembered these. 165 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: More Batman Okay, so why did they get that name. 166 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: They would climb upon the roof, cut a hole in 167 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: the roof, drop through said roof on ropes. That's the 168 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: Batman belt style. Yeah, and then they'd force the employees 169 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: to open the vault. 170 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: Holy cow, put your hands up totally. 171 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 3: And they're all kitted out black pants, black shirts, black balaklavas, 172 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: black gloves, the boys a time bomb bat belt. So 173 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: but about those balaklava's currently, they left one behind on 174 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: their way out and it had saliva inside. They were 175 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: just drooling over all that money. Detectives thought that they 176 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: knew who it could be based on them o. So 177 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: they tracked the dudes and the cop followed one of 178 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: them to a McDonald's, where he was able to retrieve 179 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: a straw that the guy had used tossed it in 180 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: the trash. They matched it to the ski mask. Busted boom, 181 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: busted down. Now these guys, though, they were nothing, nothing 182 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: compared to the Hole in the Ground Gang. 183 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: I love the name root and. 184 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: Toot and Hole in the Ground Gang, ragtag crew of 185 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 3: lawless gophers. So hold on a second, Yes you like 186 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: that show bosh right? 187 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 188 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: So it stars Titus Welliver as a veteran LA detective Harry. 189 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Bosh, and legacy follows. 190 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it's short for Hieronymous. The show is fantastic, 191 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic. It's based on a series of books by 192 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: Michael Connolly. You like him, right, I love him, I love, 193 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: love love the series. There are twenty four Harry Bosh novels. 194 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: And you know Connelly also created The Lincoln Lawyer. 195 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's. 196 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: Too but the Bosh novels are great. I highly recommend them. 197 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: Michael Connolly was a journalist covering the crime beat at 198 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: the La Times. Big stuff. It gave him this intimate 199 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: understanding of La in the Southland, which comes across in 200 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: the books and the show. He's an executive producer on 201 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: the show and he was exposed to a variety of 202 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: crimes and criminals in La. So in the books, Harry 203 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: Bosh is a military veteran. He is on the show too, 204 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: but he's a Gulf War vet on the show. In 205 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: the books he's. 206 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: A Vietnam vet. 207 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so his job in Noam was tunnel rat. 208 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: That's someone who performs search and destroy missions in Vietnam. 209 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: Was he's seeking and destroying the vast network of underground 210 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: tunnels used by the Viet Cong. These guys were combat 211 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: engineers and infantrymen. Their motto was non gradum, honest rodentum, 212 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: not worth a rat's ass a minute. These guys had 213 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: to go into the tunnels, gather intelligence, kill or capture 214 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: the combatants they found there that destroy the tunnels and business. 215 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: It's super rough. All they carried was a standard pistol 216 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: or a revolver, a bayonet, a flashlight, and some explosives. 217 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: Usually the bandet's like and their teeth kind of like 218 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: it's up front. 219 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: Right exactly, because they don't have a whole lot of. 220 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: You're in a tunnel. 221 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the danger wasn't just the Vietcong, like you say, 222 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: it's the tunnel itself. They weren't always structurally sound. They 223 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: were booby traps. Some of those traps included poisonous snakes. Oh, 224 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: I knew that would get I knew that would get you. 225 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: So these guys were mostly five foot five and under. Yeah, 226 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: but I don't think the Bosh character is written to 227 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: be that hype. 228 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, it's just real thin. He's boned. 229 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the shorter troops they could move around easier 230 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: in the tunnels. Those tunnel rats were exposed to a 231 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 3: lot of chemicals. 232 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: And thought about that all the agent orange. 233 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: Well yeah, after the war they had a higher level 234 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: of agent orange damage than anybody else right where it's 235 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: soaking it exactly. So agent orange, I'm going to pretend 236 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 3: you don't know, is a very powerful herbicide and defoliate. 237 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: It was one of the many horrors unleashed in this war. 238 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: So the US dumped it on the jungles to try 239 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 3: and send out the tree canopy and undergrowth that the 240 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: Vietcong used as cover. And they also wanted to destroy 241 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: food crops, so we sprayed twenty million gallons of various 242 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: defoliates on Vietnam, laos M, Cambodia during Operation Ranch Hand. 243 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: They dropped it from helicopters and planes, boats and trucks. 244 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: They had it in backpacks. But wait, Elizabeth, isn't this 245 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: a pretty clear violation of the Geneva Conventions? 246 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: Great questions, Eric, Go ahead. 247 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the UN thought. But the US argued 248 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: that agent orange was not a chemical or a biological weapon. 249 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: Not a chemical weapon or a biological weapon. It's an herbicide, 250 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: defoliate it's supposed to destroy plants, not people. They said 251 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: it didn't qualify as a biological weapon because it wasn't 252 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: a weapon at all. 253 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, how is this a weapon? It just kills plants. 254 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: Well we know better. 255 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: Yes. 256 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: Agent orange impacts are still felt to this day. Aside 257 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: from the chemical burns, it caused multiple forms of cancers, 258 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: tons of birth defects. Anything sprayed like that is going 259 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: to wind up, like you were saying, in the ground 260 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: and the water table, which is exactly where the tunnel 261 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 3: rats were. So they got done super dirty by their 262 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: own country. It wasn't just the agent orange that they 263 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: had to contend with. Many suffered severe psychological damage from 264 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: spending so much time in narrow space that's so far underground, 265 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: try to kill other human beings while trying not to 266 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: be killed. 267 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: And living in like a hyper state of I'm about 268 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: to die every moment. 269 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: I like, your pupils are all dilated, your body's just 270 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: so tense. Yeah, So Vietnam tunnel rats were made of 271 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: tough stuff. And that concludes today's episode. 272 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. That was very interesting. 273 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: It was a look at the ridiculously heinous crime against 274 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: humanity of Henry Kissinger. The end. No, No, I've only 275 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: just begun, not with Kissinger, but with Ridiculous Crime. So 276 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: all of this is going to make sense. After this 277 00:12:52,679 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: commercial break, we'll be right back, Zarin. You missed some 278 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: really good ads. 279 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: I was over here thinking about Agent Orange, the band. 280 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: The band. We love ads. They're so good. 281 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: They are good. 282 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: They're so good. As I say, I used to hate 283 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: read this weekly recipe column where the lady would give 284 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: like the gnarliest recipes involving lots of can goods or 285 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: like boxed cake mix okay, and she'd always describe them, 286 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: wasn't it They should always describe them as so good, 287 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: like all these o's. 288 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: Lots of would some be capitalized? 289 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: Just a listener? They were not good so good? Anyway, 290 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: I was talking about La Bank heist, and then I 291 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: got sidetracked on Michael Connolly and Detective Harry Bosh and Vietnam. 292 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 3: But it wasn't a sidetrack really, it was a foundation. 293 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: Oh bring it. 294 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: I am building this tale like a mead drunk medieval cathedral. 295 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: Stonemason are Yeah, I am so Harry Bosh. I can't again. 296 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: I can't state enough how good the books are. The 297 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 3: writing gets better too, with each book. Plots are excellent 298 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: nine out of four stars. I told you that the 299 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: Harry Bosch character in the novels was a Vietnam tunnel rat. 300 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Yes you did, Yes, I did. 301 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: How did Michael Connolly get this idea you're wondering? He 302 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: was a tunnel no When he was a crime reporter 303 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: at the La Times, he covered a case involving tunnels. Oh, 304 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: and so he used part of that information for his 305 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: first novel, The Black Echo, that came out in nineteen 306 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: ninety two. In the book, Bosh is called out to 307 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: a homicide. There's a body in a drain pipe at 308 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: Mulholland Dam, and the guy is a fellow tunnel rat, 309 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: another veteran they had actually fought side by side. The 310 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: story winds up taking Bosh into a set of underground 311 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: tunnels that were used for a bank heist in the show. 312 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: They use the same tunnels, but it's used by a 313 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: serial killer. You remember that creepy guy obviously. Anyway, But 314 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: again we're talking about the books here. So when the 315 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: book came out, a critic said that part of the 316 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: book required too much suspension of disbelief, that part being 317 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: the tunnels and Connelly. He gets quoted as saying that 318 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: the critics said it was quote too far fetched, when 319 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: in fact it was the only part of my novel 320 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: that was based on fact. That's how it goes. So 321 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: the Tunnel Bank heist a seriously compelling story, especially when 322 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: you fold in all the details. I can see why. 323 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: You know, Connelly couldn't resist it. Connelly couldn't resist it. 324 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: Neither can I. So let's get heisting. Soon join me. 325 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I'm here for it. 326 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: Los Angeles, City of Angels. You lived there for quite 327 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: a while before upgrading and moving to Oakland. 328 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: Yes, before I got my head right. 329 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: Yes, did you ever rob any banks there? 330 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: No? I never got around to it. 331 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: Everybody was telling me this is the thing that everybody 332 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: does down there. They're like, you gotta try it, Like 333 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: here's a gun. I was like, no, I'm not into it. 334 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 4: They're like, well, here's a mask. I was like, no, really, 335 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: I don't want to do it. They're like, but just 336 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: try it before you go. I hear you're moving. I 337 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 4: was like no, I think I'm just going to leave. 338 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: So I never got to Oh. 339 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: Wow, okay, that's a shame, because you really could have 340 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: filled some in there. People. They rob banks in LA 341 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: because a lot of the banks are located right by 342 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: the freeway. 343 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: And there's freeways everywhere. 344 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: Everywhere, so it's easy egress. You just hit it and 345 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: run the valley. 346 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: You got, These big wide streets are pretty much like freeways. 347 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too. So in the eighties, a bank 348 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: was robbed every hour of every banking day in Los Angeles, 349 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: or so they say that was the average. Yeah, and 350 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: then and by they they say it, I mean someone 351 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: said it. By nineteen ninety two, the number had jumped 352 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: to a bank being robbed every forty five minutes of 353 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: every banking day. It's that crazy. That's a whole lot 354 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: of banks. The robbers I want to tell you about. 355 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: Though they didn't use freeways. They went underground. 356 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: Some of the people who worked in banks, they were 357 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: like the flight attendants in the seventies. They would have 358 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: their bank be hit multiple times. I got the flight 359 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: attendants that they're playing hijack multiple times, like I just 360 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 4: had this happen. There's stories of like bank people going 361 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: like I gotta quit. This is the third time they've 362 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: been robbed this week. 363 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: You know, it got bad amazing. Could you imagine no like. 364 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: Another gun in my face. 365 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, damn it. Well, So in June nineteen eighty six, 366 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: employees of First Interstate Bank reported strange activity. WHOA, it's 367 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: two story brick building the corner of Spaulding in Sunset, 368 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: and the bank vault's alarm was just going off randomly 369 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: during the day. And so there's no signs of break ins, 370 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: nothing's amiss. They go poking around. Everything's where it's supposed 371 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 3: to be. So the bank and the security folks just 372 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 3: figured it was some sort of glitch in the system. 373 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: They heard noises, weird scratching, grinding sounds, and so the 374 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: manager walked all over the bank trying to get a 375 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: read on the source, but couldn't figure out where it 376 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: was coming from. Everyone figured it was likely coming from 377 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 3: the construction across the street because they were putting up 378 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: a new buildings. There's lots of noise and dust and 379 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: sort of mild chaos. Let's talk about their bank vault. Yeah, 380 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: you ready for some specifics. Please, you're going to write 381 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: this down. 382 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: Get it. 383 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, get some graph paper. So it has twelve inch 384 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: thick walls, this bank vault thick and an eighteen inch 385 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: thick floor. 386 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: It's a thick floor, thick floor, and the door double 387 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: see thick floor, thick, thick, thick. 388 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: The door was three and a half inches of steel 389 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 3: with a copper inside to diffuse the heat of a 390 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: blowtorch someone wanted to get in, right. The door alone 391 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 3: cost fifteen thousand dollars and just kind of like here 392 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: at headquarters with. 393 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: Our doors are twelve. But yeah, this. 394 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: Placement business, it was a class one commercial vault to 395 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: be exact. Okay, So this comes from the measurement of 396 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 3: time it would take to breach the doors. 397 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: That's the class ranking. 398 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so for a class one it's one hour, one hour. 399 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: How long to preach the doors is rank them. 400 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: That's how you rank them, not the materials involved. No, 401 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: how long is this going to take? 402 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: How long does it take for thieves to ruin this? 403 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: Exactly? And so there were censors all over there for sound, 404 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 3: for heat, and there was of course a time lock. 405 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: Oh right. 406 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: This is sort of the standard for bank vault. So 407 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: the manager sets the lock at closing and sets an 408 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: opening timer for when they'll be back into prep for opening. 409 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: If something happens between locking the vault and the scheduled opening, 410 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: tough luck. 411 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: Can't. 412 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: You can't get in, you can't even override it just is. 413 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: So there's another kind of vault that, instead of a timelock, 414 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: requires two separate keys or pass codes, like a nuclear 415 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 3: sub Yeah. Generally, the bank manager and another employee will 416 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: have the codes and then they'll open the vault door 417 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: and sink and that allows for off hours emergency entry, 418 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: which seems smarter to me. But this particular bank, First 419 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: Interstate in Hollywood, had the timelock. 420 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 421 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the sensors continue to go off, alarm going off, 422 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: the grinding sound started back up, and the security guys 423 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: told the bank manager that the sound that they heard 424 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: was probably a rat, like a big ass rat. So 425 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: then one day the power races. One day the power 426 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: just shuts off and the phones too, that rat and 427 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: then they get a everything back up again. But it 428 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: is really starting to get on everyone's nerves, you know, 429 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: the constant and the constant. On the evening of Friday, 430 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: June sixth, the bank alarm went off after hours and 431 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 3: the police arrived. They did a perimeter check, they looked inside, 432 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: everything was in its right place, just another false alarm. 433 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: Zaren close ay, Oh yeah, I want you to picture it. 434 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 3: It's Saturday, June seventh, nineteen eighty six. You are an 435 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: assistant bank manager at First Interstate Bank. You're climbing the 436 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: corporate ladder, or at least trying as such. You're working 437 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: over the weekend. You just want to get some work 438 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: done in the blessed silence of the empty bank. As 439 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: you're shuffling through some loan forms looking for one in particular, 440 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: you hear a buzz and a pop. Sounds like some 441 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: sort of electrical short You stop what you're doing and 442 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: listen nothing. Then suddenly the bank's music system turns to 443 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: life easy listening reverberates through the empty building. While this 444 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: is a nice, pleasant sound most of the time, without 445 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: the chatter of customers and the sound of cash drawers 446 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: opening and closing, it is creepy as all get out. 447 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: You lift the receiver on the phone, who's still working. 448 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 3: You push the directile button for security. You tell them 449 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: about the electrical sound and the music. Just then the 450 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 3: vault alarm sounds. It's a Saturday and the vault is 451 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: locked until Monday morning, so you can't go and open 452 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: it up and check. But you've all checked each time 453 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: it's gone off. In the last couple of weeks and nothing. 454 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: Why would this time be any different. You hear the 455 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: squawk of securities walkie talkies coming into the lobby. They 456 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 3: tell you that they've walked the perimeter and they're now 457 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: checking the inside of the bank, but it looks to 458 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 3: be a false alarm. Just then the music shuts off 459 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: and everything is silent once again, not even the grinding sound. 460 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: You tell the security guys that maybe they're rat chewing 461 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: on the walls, electrocuted itself and all this will be over. 462 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: They chuckle, and they tell you that you'll know when 463 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: you smell it. And with that you put your papers 464 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: away and your head home. With one last look at 465 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: the lobby, you slip out the side employee entrance and 466 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: head back to your condo and your cats, and your 467 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 3: lean Cuisine and the telescope that looks into the window 468 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: of your honky neighbor, Ralph. 469 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: Sweet Sweet Lean Cuisine, and Ralph. 470 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: Come Monday morning, bank employees arrived and opened the vault 471 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 3: to welcome a new day of commerce. And what they 472 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: found might surprise you is. 473 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: Erin what did they find? 474 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: It was a hole in the floor. It was a 475 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: hole that was twenty inches by twenty five inches to 476 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: be precise. Oh, just enough for a man to slip through, 477 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: or like a few men one at a time, or 478 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: like men tied together like a rope. Yes, rope men 479 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: and spitball. 480 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: There's been a fire. You need to get out of 481 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: the building. 482 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: They just lashed themselves together. One hundred and seventy two 483 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: thousand dollars in cash was gone. Of the one hundred 484 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: and fourteen safe deposit boxes in the vault, seventy four 485 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: were empty, and of those seventy four, only thirty six 486 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: reported losses. 487 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: So this always it could. 488 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: Be that because people like just genuinely didn't have anything 489 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: in there. But I'm not so sure. So what was 490 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: in the thirty six box? 491 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: Okay, please, let's hold the cold and silver. 492 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: Of course, naturally, jewelry of course, Persian artifacts. Interesting now 493 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: we're talking an eighteen fifty five first edition of Walt 494 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: Whitman's Leaves of Grass. 495 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: Huh. 496 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: The box contains multitudes, a sketch by Ari Matisse, Oh wow, yeah, 497 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: and some gold coins in cash belonging to none other 498 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 3: than Joe Jackson, father of Tito and Michael and Janet 499 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: and the others. Jermaine LaToya. I think I'm missing some 500 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: as all right, So, yeah, the Jackson family coins in cash. 501 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: The box holders would eventually be paid out two and 502 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: a half million dollars, but some of the stuff in 503 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: there was priceless, I'm guessing, especially the stuff that didn't 504 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: get claimed. I'm thinking, yeah, so the robbers were not 505 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: good at opening the boxes. Apparently they clumsily pried them open, 506 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: and that prevented them from accessing the boxes directly around them. 507 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 3: I was wondering, Yes, they just peeled out, so you 508 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: can't get above blook. Yeah, so it looks like they 509 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 3: missed out on probably what would have been an even 510 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: crazier score if they could open all one fourteen because 511 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 3: they had the time over the weekend. 512 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: I had plenty of times. 513 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 5: Yeah. 514 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: As it was though, that two and a half million 515 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 3: dollars plus the cash was the biggest bank robbery in 516 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: Hollywood history. 517 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: Really. 518 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of money. So when a bank 519 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: gets robbed, the FBI is automatically called in, and that's 520 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: what happened here. Ozi's running up, came running over. But 521 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: the FBI handles primarily bank robberies of force. 522 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, with a gun and all that right. 523 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: Little put your hands up, nobody moves, nobody get airt 524 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 3: I thing. 525 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 2: I'm a bad man. 526 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: Soon come rasta. The FEDS had never seen anything like this. 527 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: The robbers had tunneled under the bank and come up 528 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: in through the floor of the vault. So they called 529 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 3: the Bad Boys. 530 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: Wait like the Will Smith and Martin Laarnce. 531 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: Movie, the Boys of Bad. That's right, Lapds Burglary Auto 532 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: Theft Division. Oh ad, they ignore the T and theft. 533 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: I guess that. They call themselves Bad Burglary Auto Theft Division. 534 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: So these guys are fifteen hard boiled elite detectives. Yeah, 535 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: and they're kind of like the non murder Flying Squad okay, 536 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: you know, because they don't have a specific precinct that 537 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: they're assigned to. They float and they just handle all 538 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 3: the big stuff. They only took big cases, stuff where 539 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: a lot of money was at stake. Maybe celebrities involved that. 540 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: So they're like the Anti Ramparts Division. They do actual police. 541 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: Actually they're bad, but like a. 542 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: Good way in a good way. 543 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: So it was the Bad Boys, the Boys of Bad, 544 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: who dared peek into that hole in the floor of 545 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: the vault and then double dog dared to crawl on down. 546 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you imagine I'll write it up. 547 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, when we come back from this break, I'll let 548 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: you know what they found down there. 549 00:25:41,680 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: That yeah, en Elbeth. 550 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 3: When we left off l A p DS Elite bad boys, 551 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 3: the hard bodies of Burglary, they were about to climb 552 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: down into the tunnel under the First Interstate. 553 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: Bank and. 554 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: All greased up in Hollywood, California. The reputation exactly the 555 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: tunnel was disgusting, Saren. I bet it was not because 556 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: of anything specific that the robbers did. 557 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: I hit the sewer lines. 558 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: Well, no, it's the very nature of the tunnel itself. 559 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: It led to the outdoor sewer lines. Oh yeah, those tunnels. 560 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: So it's not toilet sewage but storm rain. Yeah, it's 561 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 3: still pretty and fil We got decomposing organic matter, leaves 562 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: and stick and dark, and then all that causes little 563 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: pockets of methane to accumulate. And there's also the litter 564 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: that horrible people dropped on the streets. So think of 565 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: all that. 566 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: Then oil car oil steals over the other. 567 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: Chemicals that people are just throating the gutter anyway, so 568 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 3: many popsicle sticks thick with them and then muddy water 569 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: snow bueno. So the detectives they hunched over and they 570 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 3: followed the dirt tunnel dug by the criminals. It wasn't 571 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 3: particularly wide or tall, and there were no structural supports 572 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: in there, just bare walls, but they had done them 573 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: in like an archway. It was stronger, yeah, exactly, but dangerous, donjuboue. 574 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 3: As the bad squad walked in the tunnels, they found 575 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: small tools scattered around why would they don't know, sand 576 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 3: bags and even some tire tracks where the tunnel got larger, 577 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 3: and so they saw the skid marks on the ground 578 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: beneath the floor of the vault, and that's where they 579 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: had set up an industrial boring drum and tapped into 580 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 3: the bank's power system and that's what was causing all 581 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: the shorts. But the skids on the ground were from 582 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 3: this enormous heavy tool that shimmyd really badly because it 583 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 3: wasn't on this surface, so they didn't set it up collapse. 584 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 3: Well yeah, and the thing is is that like they could, 585 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: the detectives could tell that the crooks gave up on 586 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: the borer because it just was sliding around. And then 587 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: they did the rest themselves. 588 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: That's probably the better way, I mean, honestly. 589 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 3: So they figured the heist was originally supposed to take 590 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 3: place the weekend before, over the three day Memorial holiday weekend. 591 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: If it's good enough for the undermining turks you know 592 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: back in the castle. 593 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: Era undermine's yeah, exactly. So if they were supposed to 594 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: do it over a Memorial Day, that would have bottom 595 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 3: an extra day. But the large tools all failed and 596 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: so they had to do all this stuff by hand 597 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: and that slowed them down. But what of the tire tracks. 598 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, they just back in f one fifty there, like, 599 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: just get this forward in there, we'll take care of that. 600 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: They came from ATVs. 601 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: Oh that's smart. 602 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 3: So based upon the evidence found, it looked like these 603 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: guys had used gas power generators, digging equipment, this diamond 604 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: studded drill hammer, drills, power saws. They had all this 605 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: heavy stuff. And they could tell that a lot, not 606 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: because they found the tools, but they saw the market. 607 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 608 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: They also left scores of empty styrofoam coffee cups behind, 609 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 3: you know, burning the all midnight oil there. So they 610 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: got into the system at Hollywood Boulevard and Nichols Canyon drive. 611 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: There's an entrance like a culvert. I mean it was 612 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: there that they lowered the ATVs into the sewer system 613 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: and they likely used manhole covers to navigate their way 614 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: to the perfect place on Spaulding, just under the bank. 615 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: So they're in the large tunnels for the you know, drainage, 616 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: the sewer drainage, and they like mark, mark mark. They figure, okay, 617 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: it's between this and this, and then that's where they 618 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: cut into the big cement tunnel and started digging their 619 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: tunnel in the dirt. And then when they would leave 620 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: at night, they would they had a plywood that they 621 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: had put mortar over so it looked like cement and 622 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: they prop it up. 623 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: That's brilliant. 624 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the tunnel that they made in the dirt 625 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: was three and a half feet by four and a 626 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: half feet. All the experts who were later called in 627 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 3: to examine the scene so that it was done really 628 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: really well. It was super precise, It was super clean. 629 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: The bank vault itself not so much. So. They were 630 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: expert diggers, but not expert burglars. Yes, interesting, yeah, and 631 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: so bad. They led a search of the tunnels in 632 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: a three mile radius from the vault They figured the 633 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: guys had to have removed about three thousand cubic feet 634 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: of dirt to dig the tunnel, and that's fifteen hundred 635 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: wheelbarrow trips. Damn right, fifteen hundred have. 636 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: Reel barrow dirt. That's not fun. Uh now, So they're 637 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: just looking for their dirt pile, basically figure. 638 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: Out any any evidence that they may have left. They 639 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: figured that these guys worked on the whole operation for 640 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: at least a month to six weeks leading up to this, yeah, yeah, 641 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: And the way they got rid of the dirt was 642 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: really smart. They would dam up the sewer drain above 643 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: where they were working, and that that's what all the 644 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: sandbags were for. And at the end of the day 645 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: they'd quickly pull aside the sandbags and let the built 646 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: up water wash away the dirt and clear the path. 647 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: Huh. 648 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: So they were like, you know, shevel it into the 649 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 3: big yeah exactly, and there was like a huge mudflow 650 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: further down, but like it kept it clear for them. 651 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: That's brilliant. 652 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: Whole thing was amazing. So the police and public Works 653 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: they filled up the dirt tunnels with concrete and shut 654 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 3: them down for good so they can't come there's. 655 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: A ton of those tunnels in the Hollywood hills. 656 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but and so they you have all these 657 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: big tunnels and then they're doing all sorts of little 658 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: like ant hill stuff, fingerstuff. Yeah, so tips poured in. 659 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: Everyone had a theory. Some said that it had to 660 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: be city employees, someone from public works to know the 661 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: system so well. Others said it was construction workers, people 662 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: with experience and then access to all that machinery. There 663 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: were those who wondered if they'd actually been targeting a 664 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: specific box and they did a crappy job with the 665 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 3: rest just to throw everyone off, which I think is interesting. 666 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: That's interesting theory. 667 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: And then there's my face, like the British. 668 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: Robbery where they were going specifically. 669 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, my favorite theory Vietnam vets tunnel rats. Yes, 670 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: that's tunnel rats who wanted the adrenaline of a score. 671 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: And that's also my Connelly's favorite theory on this too. 672 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 4: He obviously covered this when it was happening as a crime, 673 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 4: so he has a good reason to build that. 674 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: Theory exactly, and he latched onto it and that's what, 675 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 3: like I said, it became compelling to him, and then 676 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 3: he built a story. I mean, it may not have 677 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 3: any truth to it, sure, but I mean it's I 678 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: think it's a workable theory on this, you know, when 679 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 3: you look at the time of it and everything. Lieutenant 680 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: Doug Collison of the Special Burglary Units said the tunnelers 681 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: quote would have had to require some knowledge of soil 682 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: composition and technical engineering. The way the shaft itself was constructed, 683 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: it was obviously well researched and extremely sophisticated. This was 684 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 3: no wormhole or anything. 685 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're kind of saying digging a tunnel, digging 686 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 4: a hole into the earth is not something you want 687 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 4: to do as an amateur, but if you know what 688 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 4: you're doing, it can be very safe. You can feel 689 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 4: very comfortable doing it. And it sounds like they did 690 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 4: so it seems to suggest that they had a lot 691 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 4: of experience or some experience as tunnelers. 692 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think that the public works one is 693 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: a good theory just because they know it so well, 694 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: that the layout of it, the construction's good because of 695 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: the tool access, but to be able to operate in 696 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: that small tunnel for a long period of time also 697 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 3: it makes me lean towards the tunnel round. 698 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, also thinking the military because of the necessary operational 699 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 4: aspect of it. 700 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've worked and the discipline to it, exactly. 701 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: And I've worked with some of the public works people 702 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 4: from LA when I was a house painter, and let 703 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 4: me just say, I would be surprised if you could 704 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 4: find a crew of them who could do an operation 705 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 4: for a number. 706 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: Of weeks, no offense, public wor no. 707 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: They were just much more individualistic and some of the 708 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: team work that I was used to as a house painter, 709 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: Like we had cruise and they are like, well I 710 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: do this and Bob does that, and I was like, wow, yeah. 711 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 3: It's really interesting. It was so okay. So we're thinking 712 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: it's the vets. Even though they had all these tips, 713 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: sometimes to very specific people, nothing panned out, you know, 714 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: they went and interviewed him. There was one guy who 715 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: had moved to Vegas and he was sort of like 716 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: peripheral to the underworld. Sure, and his girlfriend had a 717 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 3: box at the bank and someone had called in a 718 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: tip that that's how like she went in to scope 719 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: it out and blah blah. But there was absolutely nocause 720 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: that seems like a tenuous yeah exactly. But then there 721 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: was a development. Oh yes, Saturday, August twenty second, nineteen 722 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 3: eighty seven. Okay, the alarm went off at a Bank 723 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 3: of America on the corner of Pico and Losianica. Oh yeah, yeah, 724 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: So first Interstate had that timelock on the vault. Bank 725 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: of America did not. They wanted to access the vault 726 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 3: anytime they damn well please. They had the two party 727 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 3: entry system. So when the alarm went off on a Saturday, 728 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 3: the bank manager, another employee, and security guards all stopped 729 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 3: in to check the vault. They popped it open, and 730 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: they heard people escaping through the tunnel below the vault floor. 731 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 3: They caught them in the act. 732 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 733 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 3: Yes, and so there was another tunnel system, this one 734 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 3: just as vast and well constructed as the last. The 735 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 3: police arrived and then they gave chase, but the thieves 736 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 3: were long gone. 737 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: The pecosystem. Yeah right there, Pico robertson those blocks, there 738 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: are tunnels that they totally can be connected too. That's why. 739 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And they picked up the Los Sienaga line and 740 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: they I think. 741 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: Almost down to Cheviot Hills, which is like to the 742 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 2: west miles away. 743 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 3: It's a so long yeah, exactly. So obviously this had 744 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: to be the same, guys. John Popovish, a spokesman for 745 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 3: First Interstate, stated the obvious quote. You look at the 746 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 3: modus operandi in our burglary and the other one over 747 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 3: the weekend, and it would sure seem to be the same, 748 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: wouldn't it. Yeah, thanks Crain genius. Since this robbery had 749 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 3: been interrupted, though, the thieves made off with only ninety 750 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars, so they still pulled. They still pulled. 751 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 3: That means those cash carts, man, Like, that's they cracked 752 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: one of those open. Yeah, I mean almost one hundred 753 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: thousand isn't bad, But when you think about the ten 754 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 3: die packets and no die packets, when you think about 755 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 3: the time and the money though that they invested to 756 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: get it, it's probably bad. 757 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: Actually, kind of like a job at that point. 758 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the tunnel system was also believed to have 759 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: taken over a month to finish. This time around. The 760 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 3: sixty foot main tunnel was dug from a nearby sewer 761 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: and it measured five feet high by eight feet wide, 762 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 3: so they got beat. They also put wooden support beams 763 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 3: into so they focused on safety and comfort this time too. 764 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 3: They weren't like, let's get in. 765 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 2: We need good lighting, some track lighting. 766 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 3: Guys, we need some essential oils. And this time they 767 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: had the heavy equipment issue figured out too, so the 768 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 3: hole in the floor of the vault was smooth and 769 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: perfectly centered. They figured out how to you know, how 770 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: to get the bit in there. 771 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: How to get their foundation for their drill. 772 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. The spokesman for Bank of America, Ed Haynes said, quote, 773 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 3: you get the impression that they knew where they were 774 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 3: at all times. Yeah, so you know, they had it 775 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: pretty locked. 776 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 4: And you're saying eighty seven, So this definitely fits with 777 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 4: your theory that they could be tunnel rats from Vietnam 778 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 4: right basically thirteen fourteen, fifteen years out of their time, 779 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 4: and no, probably be you know, at that point, would 780 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 4: say they're in their mid to late thirties. They need 781 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,959 Speaker 4: to now to make a score to set themselves up. 782 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 3: For the rest of or just like to get in 783 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: touch with that that adrenaline. One of them just like, hey, yeah, 784 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 3: one of them comes up with the ideas, that's what 785 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 3: I'm The other. 786 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 2: Ones are like, yeah, let's get the band back together 787 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: out of space totally. 788 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 3: Or maybe one of them has like terrible can answer 789 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 3: from and they're doing it to pay for right. I'm 790 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: right in the screenplay in my head right now. So 791 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 3: when they followed the tunnel, when the cops followed the 792 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: tunnel out to the culvert off Los Sienaga, they found 793 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: an ATV. The VIN had been filed off. But the 794 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 3: bad boys, the boys of bad they were hoping that 795 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 3: the crime lab could get something off the vehicle, somehow 796 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: print anything, and they did. They were able to raise 797 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 3: the VIN with acid, so the vehicle identification number, they 798 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 3: got that, and that led them to an ATV dealer. 799 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 3: It turned out four ATVs were recently purchased in cash 800 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 3: by quote, white males in their early thirties, slim and muscular, 801 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 3: dressed in construction style clothes, speaking accentless American English. And 802 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 3: they said they kind of had like close cropped hair. Yeah, 803 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 3: and they had a name now, David's Spalding, but it 804 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: was an alias, and it was a joke because remember 805 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 3: first Interstate FAK was on Spalding. So they realized, okay, 806 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: this is nothing is true on this one. So that 807 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 3: was as close as they got ever to linking anything 808 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 3: to an actual perchon Everty, no back down, back down 809 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 3: in the new tunnel, the cops made a discovery a 810 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 3: newer tunnel. They found another set of tunnels about one 811 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 3: hundred and two feet long, and those were completely finished, 812 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,959 Speaker 3: and those led to Union Federal Savings and Loan Bank 813 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 3: on Wiltshire in Beverly Hills, and there were mounting bolts 814 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 3: already in place underneath the vault for the drill, so 815 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: they had that fully prepped and ready to go. The 816 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 3: cops figured that the Bank of America tunnel and then 817 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: the third tunnel leading to Union Federal were being made simultaneously, 818 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: and that the crew likely wanted to strike with back 819 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: to back heists. An analyst calculated if the double bank 820 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 3: hit had happened without any interruption or prevention that they'd had, 821 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 3: the payday would have totaled anywhere between ten and twenty 822 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: five million dollars huge. So still, with all this material 823 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: and what should be evidence, the cops had no leads. 824 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 3: The case went cold. The case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries. 825 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 3: It actually aired a couple of times over the years, 826 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 3: and every time it was on, tips would come in, 827 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 3: but they were always pretty much the same tips. The 828 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 3: statute of limitations for the robberies expired in nineteen ninety two, 829 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 3: the same year Black Echo came out with Michael conleybook 830 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 3: Remember retired FBIA agent generator. Yeh, he co wrote Where 831 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: the Money Is. Yeah, so he was on the case. 832 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 3: He said he has no ill will against the rotters. 833 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 3: I like that about that guy because he said, look, 834 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 3: no one got hurt, no one got killed. 835 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 836 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: He usually respects like brilliance in crime as long as 837 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 2: there's no victim. 838 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 3: And he really also respected the fact that they stopped 839 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 3: after that near miss. We're not going to keep doing 840 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 3: this and damaging things. He said that since the statute 841 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: of limitations had expired, he just wanted to buy him 842 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: a beer and have a conversation about their adventures of 843 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 3: nearly pulling off what would have almost certainly been the 844 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 3: most successful bank heist in history. 845 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: I got respect. 846 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a quote from him. Everybody has their 847 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 3: own theory, each probably as good as the next. The 848 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 3: one thing that everybody seems to agree on is that 849 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 3: they weren't a professional burglary crew. They appeared too suddenly, 850 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 3: made too many technical mistakes on the burglary side, and 851 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 3: then disappeared too completely for the professional criminal scenario to fit. 852 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 3: The working theory on the Hole in the Ground Gang 853 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 3: is that they were regular guys who simply got a 854 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 3: wild hair up to do a bank heist or three 855 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: bank heists, and then melted back into the straight world, 856 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 3: never to be heard from again. 857 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 2: And to never betray each other. 858 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a really great pat in his section in 859 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: his book, the section on the Hole in the Ground Gang. 860 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 3: There's a really great passage at the end where he's like, 861 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 3: in his mind he's spitballing his own screenplay of like 862 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 3: the scenario that gets them there and these guys and 863 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 3: there's one you know, and it's really beautifully written. I mean, 864 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 3: he had like a co writer on this, you know, 865 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: this is a raid and then his journalist co writer. 866 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 3: But it's it's really nicely done. It's a great book 867 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 3: just to the general. Yeah, so I recommend that as 868 00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 3: well as Michael Connolly books. 869 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: I think we should just come up with an ending 870 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 2: for these guys and just write our own screenplay. 871 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 3: Let's do it, right, let's do it. 872 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: Ridiculous crime films. 873 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: Why not, Oh my god, ridiculous crime film studio. I So, 874 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 3: what's your ridiculous takeaway? Aside from the fact that we 875 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 3: need to branch out and start a film studio. 876 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 4: That I'm flagrantly rooting for these criminals in this case. 877 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 4: It's kind of ridiculous how unguarded I am about that 878 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 4: because raider, I gotta disrespect them like they once again, 879 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 4: they didn't hurt anybody. 880 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: They they weren't serious. It wasn't like they were, you know, 881 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 2: like robbing nonprofits. They're robbing banks that were that have 882 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 2: like you know, insurance. They're all pretty much taken care of. 883 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: There's no there's obviously a victim somehow, I guess if 884 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 2: you want to look at abstraction. 885 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 3: But the only ones I really just appreciate. Yeah, I 886 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 3: really feel bad for the owner of the Matisse, the 887 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 3: leaves of dressing, the Persian artifacts, but like everything else. 888 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 2: Is I forget about that. It's a good point. 889 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: I love that we like everybody in this I like 890 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 3: the cops involved, the cops, the bad yeah, the bad 891 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 3: boy and so yeah. I think that's I'm a big 892 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 3: fan of this one. That's it. That's all I have 893 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 3: on this. Thank you so much. You can find us 894 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 3: online at ridiculous Crime dot com. There's merch there. Sometimes 895 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 3: we're also at Ridiculous Crime on Twitter and Instagram and threads, 896 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 3: but that's kind of abandoned at this point. Thanks, guys, 897 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 3: don't email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. 898 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though we read the emails. We do 899 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 3: read the emails. We just don't answer the emails because 900 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 3: there are simply too many nuts. But people do read them. 901 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 2: I appreciate them read them. 902 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 3: There's just you can't reply. There's just way too just 903 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 3: like I can't. 904 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 2: I can't. 905 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 3: I don't know how to read. 906 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 2: Why are you making thank you from Zaren? 907 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 3: I don't know my numbers? Like whatever, leave it talk back, 908 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 3: leave it, talk back. It's thirty seconds to do something magical. 909 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 3: The better your message, the more likely we are to 910 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 3: play it on the show. 911 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: That is true. 912 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 3: Keep that in mind, folks. That's all. 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