WEBVTT - Cleanup on Aisle 5 with Serena Pitt

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<v Speaker 1>I Suck At Dating with Dengler and Jared Haven and

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<v Speaker 1>I heard radio podcast. Hey, welcome to an all new

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Help I Suck At Dating. Jared Haven here,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously joined by Dean Angler. We have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest co host this week. You know her from Bachelor

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<v Speaker 1>in Paradise where she's with the one and only grocery

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<v Speaker 1>store Joe. In fact, her zoom is called the Grocer.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Serena Pitt Serena. How the hell are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, Jared, how's it going. I'm on Joe's like

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<v Speaker 1>computer with all his podcasting set up, and yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>named his account to grocer. You just gotta lean into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish Dean's was Deanie Babies just lean right into it,

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<v Speaker 1>and might would be Mr Ashley. I. I love how

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<v Speaker 1>our guest co host this week has a far superior

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<v Speaker 1>podcasting set up to probably both of us. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. We got chords on your headphones, Jared, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what a loser? All right, this is not about my

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<v Speaker 1>podcast equipment from two thousand and nine. All right, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I just opened up a business. I'm trying to sell bagels.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saving money here. Uh, Serena. It's a little awkward

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<v Speaker 1>because we're a dating podcast and you're sitting right next

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<v Speaker 1>to your significant other, but we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>them a little bit. We're gonna talk about your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, because you know, this is what we

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<v Speaker 1>do on a dating podcast. So first of all, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you? How is Chicago? Uh? And uh, how's your

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<v Speaker 1>mental state? I'm good, I'm good. Life's pretty crazy right now. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago is good. We're actually not there anymore. Um, we

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of sort of Joe moved to New York

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the narrative right now, because I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on a visa, so I'm here right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>like technically don't live here officially, but hopefully when that

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<v Speaker 1>comes through this week is the plan, then all ship

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<v Speaker 1>all my stuff out and like officially move here. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in Chelsea, New York. The place is a disaster

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<v Speaker 1>right now, other than this like one corner that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>filming in just because moving is stressful, but it's been good.

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<v Speaker 1>My mental state's good. Joe and I are excited kinda

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<v Speaker 1>to take the next step. Wait, Chelsea, New York, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good area, right that's kind of that's like

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<v Speaker 1>Hutson Yards sort of right. Yeah, so we didn't really um, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we originally were looking at Williamsburg in Brooklyn just because

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<v Speaker 1>we really love that area. And then we did do

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<v Speaker 1>a day looking at Upper West and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>apartments we saw was in Chelsea, which is actually where

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<v Speaker 1>our realtor lives, who's like a friend of ours. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>And we just loved the area. I mean, there's just

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<v Speaker 1>so many really good restaurants. Were like right below Hudson Yards,

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<v Speaker 1>like West Chelsea, it's like two blocks up is like

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<v Speaker 1>the big mall with the vessel and all that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's like a ten minute walk down to

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<v Speaker 1>the meatpacking district. So it's a really good spot. We

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<v Speaker 1>like it. What made you guys choose New York Neutral territory? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>neutral territory. Um, Like, I love Toronto, all my friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family are there. Staying with him for Chicago, so

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<v Speaker 1>we did do the backend for and then it just

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<v Speaker 1>became a lot like traveling back and forth, Like even

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<v Speaker 1>if we definitely talked about getting a place in each city,

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<v Speaker 1>but even doing that and then flying back constantly just

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<v Speaker 1>it became super draining. UM and Yeah, He's always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to live in New York. He like loves New York.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a big city dude, so this is like his

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<v Speaker 1>dream come true, which I think is probably like news

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very confused.

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<v Speaker 1>I granted, all right, listen, I've had a kid, started business, boat,

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<v Speaker 1>a house, like a lot going on, so I've been

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<v Speaker 1>keeping up. So you guys moved to New York and

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<v Speaker 1>Joel it was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, Joe is

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<v Speaker 1>like the biggest New York fan. Like I probably had

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<v Speaker 1>a harder time leaving Toronto than he did, not that

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have. He's like a Chicago boy right like

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<v Speaker 1>through and through. His family's out there, all of that

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff. But yeah, he loves New York. He knee

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<v Speaker 1>like hustle, bustle energy. He's a big city guy. He

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<v Speaker 1>wants to try like every restaurant on every block here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's lived in Chicago his whole life, so like he's

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<v Speaker 1>turning thirty six next week and he's like, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>here for my whole life. He was like so ready

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<v Speaker 1>for a change, Like he was sad to leave his

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<v Speaker 1>family and friends, but like so excited for the move

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<v Speaker 1>and so excited to live in New York. Whereas obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited. Like a big portion of that is, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I love New York and like I see our future

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<v Speaker 1>being good here and I'm really excited to move in

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<v Speaker 1>with him. But like, leaving Toronto was definitely like a challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm really happy that we did it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people were like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>you leaving Chicago? Like we did not see this coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people probably think that like I pulled him

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<v Speaker 1>out of Chicago. No, I feel like New York is

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<v Speaker 1>a good compromise, and I obviously guys discussed it quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit and like, who am I to say that?

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like you guys found the right place

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<v Speaker 1>because it's, uh, it's close enough to both Chicago and Toronto, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like a new place, but it's like New

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<v Speaker 1>York is like I feel like, in my opinion too,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to live in l a New York

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<v Speaker 1>and like London at some point in my life, right

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<v Speaker 1>just to like see if you like it, just do

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<v Speaker 1>it for a year. That way you can look back

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, yeah, we lived in this place for

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<v Speaker 1>however long, it was a great experience whatever it is. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm super happy for you guys. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>you obviously are doing great. You said his birthday is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next week. What what do you have plan

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<v Speaker 1>for him? Yes, his birthday is on Tuesday. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>just told him last night that I got uspressos at

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<v Speaker 1>don Angie's a yet. Um. And then I ordered him

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<v Speaker 1>like a really beautiful coffee machine from DeLonge and it

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<v Speaker 1>got here before I did, but I ordered it specifically

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<v Speaker 1>off Amazon so that it wouldn't come in any branded

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<v Speaker 1>box thing. Well, little did I know, it like still

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the same warehouse. And he's like, did you

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<v Speaker 1>get me a coffee machine for my birthday? Because one

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<v Speaker 1>just showed up at our apartment. So and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my parents come in the next day for a few days.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been busy. Nice thirty six man, that's he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting up there. Yeah, don't tell him that. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you would probably gonna get there one day, alright. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I I only asked because I'm turning thirty one on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the following Sunday, So Joe and I are

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<v Speaker 1>both aries babies. There you go, I wish Caylin had

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<v Speaker 1>got me like a fancy coffee maker. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what she's going to do for me yet. But do

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<v Speaker 1>you find it difficult to shop for him? Because Caylin

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<v Speaker 1>always says that I'm the hardest person to shop for.

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<v Speaker 1>He's impossible to shop for so hard. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>literally got the coffee machine and was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>way better than your Christmas gift. Like you're improving, so

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<v Speaker 1>good job your Christmas gift. I got him a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. No, Christmas was good too, but like this

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely a better gift. But I got him like

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<v Speaker 1>a there a gun, which she's addicted to. And then

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<v Speaker 1>like pillow slides. I think on him like a Kashmir scarf.

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<v Speaker 1>He is so bougie, like he just loves like high end,

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<v Speaker 1>expensive bougie guest out of my wheelhouse. Oh he is

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<v Speaker 1>a boogie but one hundred percent through and throw so

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<v Speaker 1>like and that's not me, so like shopping for that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is like so in in my comfort zone. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he's picky, Like he's really picky. He's worse than me,

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<v Speaker 1>like you would think that. I feel like the sterrative

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<v Speaker 1>is the girl in the relationship. I'm like, so much

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<v Speaker 1>easier shop for I feel like than him. M yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say it sounds like your flip flop

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<v Speaker 1>of Kaitlin and I because she's very picky and very

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't call Kaylin bougie, but she's like likes the

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<v Speaker 1>high end stuff, you know, and I could care less

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<v Speaker 1>about all that kind of stuff. So it's basically I

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<v Speaker 1>just foregone buying her clothing and jewelry because every I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she would appreciate it, sure, but I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>she would ever really wear anything. Like I got her

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<v Speaker 1>rent and stimpy shirt and she's worn it like maybe once,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe twice, I guess, and I just lives in the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the closet. I'm like, I spent twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on this thing, You're not gonna wear it? Come on, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's funny that you guys is the the episode because I

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<v Speaker 1>would have guessed the otherwise. I find that I'm Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>tells me I'm the easiest person to shop for, and

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree more. She got me a Superman and

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<v Speaker 1>Batman post or for Christmas, and I was losing my mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, anything to do with Boston Sports Brady or

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<v Speaker 1>like Superman. I'm in You're set well. Joe posted a

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<v Speaker 1>photo a few weeks ago. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Nicholson photo of him like smoking a cigarette or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and he called me and was like, Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to get this for me, but not for

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday because all like it won't be a surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>So like, just remember and then for Christmas get it

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<v Speaker 1>for me so that I'll have forgotten that I told

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<v Speaker 1>you to t Is that his Twitter profile picture. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>every time I see this picture of Jack Nicholson, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>who is this. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>Like every time I see I'm like, who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Who do I follow? Tell him that because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're my fiance and I see your teeths pop up

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even know who they are, but here. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's my issue with gifts, uh, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>why Kylen absolutely hates getting me gifts is because um,

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<v Speaker 1>we have already so much stuff, and Kylin especially receives

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like gifting from brands. I'm sure certain

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<v Speaker 1>that you do too, and so our house is just

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<v Speaker 1>always cluttered with like boxes, empty boxes and like crap

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't really use very much, but it's nice

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<v Speaker 1>to have. And so I always tell her, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want anything, because, ay, we already have weight,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we have a hundred thirty percent capacity of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in our house right now. Um, and be like, if

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted it that bad, I would just go

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<v Speaker 1>out on my own and buy it for myself. And

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<v Speaker 1>so like, there's nothing you could get me that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't already have that I actually want, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. So she she hates it because she never

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<v Speaker 1>knows what to get me. And so what we've resorted

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<v Speaker 1>to doing, or what we're like in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>resorting to doing now, is instead of getting like a

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<v Speaker 1>object for that person, well, like like you're doing like

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<v Speaker 1>take them to dinner or go on a trip somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>or like you know, like those types of things that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't necessarily collect. But it's more like an experience,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. And that's kind of the train that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been on lately, solely because of the insane amount of

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<v Speaker 1>clutter in our house and we just can't put anything

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<v Speaker 1>else anywhere else, you know, And I'm sure in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you guys probably have a smaller apartment too, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be very clutter there as well, I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine. Well, my birthday was in October, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting it was like right when Paradise pended,

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<v Speaker 1>so like I was getting so many things in the

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<v Speaker 1>mail and which is great, but like then it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to add on top of that, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already trying to organize what I have. So I literally

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<v Speaker 1>told all my family because they were like, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to get you something, and I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need things, like just get me like playing gift cards

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<v Speaker 1>like air Canada United. Just get me like a gift

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<v Speaker 1>an airline because I was traveling back and forth so

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<v Speaker 1>much to Chicago. Still, I was like, this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that I will use and it's not going to take

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<v Speaker 1>up any space. Yeah, that's a good idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>gift cards for the airlines. That's nice. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>always say, like I don't know, I hate I hate

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of giving gifts. I want like I would

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<v Speaker 1>rather received gifts on like a random day in a

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<v Speaker 1>random month for no reason at all than to like

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<v Speaker 1>receive a gift on Christmas or birthday or Easter or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, you know what I mean, like an

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<v Speaker 1>awkward interaction. I find giving on like specific holidays is

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<v Speaker 1>a very uncomfortable interact for both parties because you're opening

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<v Speaker 1>it being like, hopefully I don't have to pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>I like this, and they're giving it to being like

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully they like this I've had. And also it's like

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<v Speaker 1>we'll fall on fights with cousins about gifts because like

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get them something and they're like, why did you

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<v Speaker 1>get me something? I didn't get you anything for Christmas?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I don't need anything. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>give you something, and they're like, well, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it told right now, and I'm like, we'll just take

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<v Speaker 1>the damn gift, and like I don't want the gift.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, I bought it, I'm not gonna return it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just take the gift. You don't have to get me anything.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, well, now I'm gonna get you something next

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<v Speaker 1>week and I'm like, well, I'm not going to accept

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<v Speaker 1>it if you get me something in return, because I

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<v Speaker 1>already gifted you something you didn't think of me in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place, which is totally fine. You don't have to,

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<v Speaker 1>but just take the gift. And then it turns into

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<v Speaker 1>like a fistfight. Dared, take a breath, man, take it

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<v Speaker 1>just like one quick breath. Um. No, you're absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely right. And then it's like if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are exchanging gifts, one gift might be worth like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>bucks and the other one'd be worth like a hunter bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the one that the gift is upset. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what the worst type of person is is the

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<v Speaker 1>person who you are part of a secret santo with

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<v Speaker 1>and it says, don't spend more than and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>person that spends like seventy bucks on a gift and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, just get the hell out of here, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants your gift anymore. No, No, I hate that too,

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<v Speaker 1>serring it besides the birthday and besides the move, what

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<v Speaker 1>else is going on in your guys life? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like the move has been so

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<v Speaker 1>all consuming because we literally came to New York like

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<v Speaker 1>last month, picked the place, like Joe signed it, and

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<v Speaker 1>like moved in two weeks later. So like it has

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<v Speaker 1>been so consuming of like packing, like I was just

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<v Speaker 1>in l A, which like was terrible timing because I

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<v Speaker 1>had already committed to an event out there, so like

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<v Speaker 1>he had to basically move in here alone. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, now life is just going to be us

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<v Speaker 1>exploring and a city, and like he's got the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and the sauce brand. I'm doing influencer stuff, So don't

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<v Speaker 1>you have a podcast as well? No, so I filled

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<v Speaker 1>in Tasha left um Happy Hour, and then I filled

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<v Speaker 1>in her spot for Clayton season on Bachelor Happy Hour,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Michelle just jumped on Um, who was like

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<v Speaker 1>it was always the plan of like I leave after

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<v Speaker 1>Clayton season and she's now the new like full time

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<v Speaker 1>host with Becca Nice. Well they're missing out because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, they got the great host right here. I

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<v Speaker 1>know with the podcast I've ready to Go, which already

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<v Speaker 1>is superior to Dean and mind podcast equipment. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a question. It's like a two part question. One what

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<v Speaker 1>happens if your visa doesn't come back? So so that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of why we've been like sketchy. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I'm disclosing all this on the podcast, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been posting about it on social media just because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can't give like a holistic explanation

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<v Speaker 1>of like all the scenarios that could go down until

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<v Speaker 1>I have it, but hypothetically of next week it comes through.

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<v Speaker 1>So story I applied. I paid like an expedited fee

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<v Speaker 1>to have it in fifteen days. So I've been working

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<v Speaker 1>on this since November. It's like a crazy like lawn

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<v Speaker 1>process of labor time job. So you apply fifth. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I was going to get it here within fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>days because I paid like an expedited fee, and they

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<v Speaker 1>came back and had like requested more evidence. So they

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<v Speaker 1>basically said, like, hey, we received your application, like what

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<v Speaker 1>you have looks good, but we need X y Z

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<v Speaker 1>to be submitted to like I don't know, just for

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<v Speaker 1>like a bigger picture of like what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be contributing to the economy in the US. So that

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<v Speaker 1>took an extra like five days and me putting together documents,

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<v Speaker 1>sending it off, and now we've reset. So I hear

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<v Speaker 1>by next Wednesday and if they come back and say

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<v Speaker 1>like sorry, like decline you can't be here, um, then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll reassess. But I mean he signed the lease here,

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<v Speaker 1>so like we're in this place for a year. I

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<v Speaker 1>just can then only be in the States for six

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<v Speaker 1>months out of the year, so we'll have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to doing back and forth. And I still also

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<v Speaker 1>can't work here, so like any appearances or opportunities like that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm doing for no money, and any like influencer

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns that have to be shot in Canada, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a question. I'm sure you guys have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this too. So you guys, for the for the uninformed,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys got engaged on the last season of bachelorom Paradise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're engaged to get married, why don't you just

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<v Speaker 1>like do the paperwork part of the marriage and then

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<v Speaker 1>just like you know, piggyback onto his citizenship and then

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<v Speaker 1>like do whatever you want to do later on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why expedite the visa when you can just expedite the marriage. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>we did think about it, like it was an option

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<v Speaker 1>on the table of like let's just maybe just go

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<v Speaker 1>to the court and we'll just get married. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was already so deep into the visa process at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, let's just ride this out. I would personally

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<v Speaker 1>much rather like not just like get married under the

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<v Speaker 1>table for a visa. I mean, I think my parents

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<v Speaker 1>had a difficult enough time with me getting married to

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<v Speaker 1>a stranger on television. Um, for me to then take

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<v Speaker 1>away the opportunity of like sharing me getting married with

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<v Speaker 1>my family and friends would kind of be a bummer. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So like we're really fingers crossed. They variable with applying

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<v Speaker 1>for visas, like I'm applying for an O one, which

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<v Speaker 1>is an entertainer's visa, And they could come back and

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<v Speaker 1>say like, yep, like you've been given the visa for

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<v Speaker 1>the three year period, which is the maximum time you

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<v Speaker 1>can receive it for, which in that case is great

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<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna get married in that three years, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'll just apply for my green card and

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<v Speaker 1>switch that over. But they could also come back and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, Okay, so you've been approved for one month.

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<v Speaker 1>So like there's just so many variables on the table

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Um, but yeah, we'll find out next week

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<v Speaker 1>and then if it's not the three year, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>reassess and adjust. I mean, there's not much else to do,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and then maybe get married sooner than we expected.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's so crappy that that even has to be

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. But I guess you probably. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to that when you were on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bachelor and you were on Matt's season of The Bachelor, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were living on you were living in Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>when you were cast for that show. Yeah, so you

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<v Speaker 1>already kind of knew that in the best case scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to be only with all this anyways. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think going on the Bachelor like is

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<v Speaker 1>one thing because like I mean I didn't really like

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<v Speaker 1>picture myself like, oh, like, yeah, I'm gonna be married

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<v Speaker 1>to an American. But then definitely, like as I got

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<v Speaker 1>further into the season and developed feelings for him, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like independently like okay, Like I wouldn't have gone

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<v Speaker 1>on the show to date an American if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>willing to make a move for someone I loved. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I remember thinking like, if I end up

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy, like we have to figure ou where

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna live and if that's not Toronto or if

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<v Speaker 1>it is Toronto, Like either way, there's like a viewsa

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<v Speaker 1>involved for someone. So when you get out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, you kind of have like a boss moment

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<v Speaker 1>too with Bachelor, right you you like worked out near

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<v Speaker 1>the end and you're like, I'm at it here right, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I did some of them home after hometowns. Okay, gotcha,

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<v Speaker 1>got you? I was. I just didn't want to misremember

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<v Speaker 1>that yet. You had a moment where you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm not into this, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. I feel like to go that long and

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<v Speaker 1>then like be like I'm not feeling this. It's it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen often enough, and so when it does. I

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<v Speaker 1>think she takes some pride in that thank you, thank you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I it was a hard moment, so

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<v Speaker 1>like I like I definitely had like friends and family

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<v Speaker 1>being like we're proud of you. I think I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I was like so deep in it to be

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, but like it also sucked, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a breakup, like I hurt someone in the process, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it all clearly worked out the way I

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to. Like he's so happy with Rachel, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with Joe, so like it always the right decision.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's definitely hard, I think on the show

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<v Speaker 1>for people to feel like they have the freedom to

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<v Speaker 1>make their own decisions like about their fate. Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's so consuming that once you get in it,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of feel like you're like on this ride

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't get off of until someone gives you

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<v Speaker 1>permission to get off of it. So like I just

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<v Speaker 1>remember being like, I don't have to be here if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be here, Like I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to fall in love with this person if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>falling in love with this person. Power Born in Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in Mexico, and married in the United States. What

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<v Speaker 1>a story. Yeah, we've done it all at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good way of looking at it. True, you're

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<v Speaker 1>really covering all your bases there. Yeah. I guess we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to go get married in Europe or something just

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<v Speaker 1>to round that out. No, you have to get married

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<v Speaker 1>in the States and then live in Europe for at

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<v Speaker 1>least a year. Uh. My second question was because Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>is so ingrained in Joe or do you ever think

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<v Speaker 1>that He's like, do you guys see yourself in New

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<v Speaker 1>York for a long time or do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>like you're ultimately going to end back in Chicago or

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<v Speaker 1>possibly someplace else. I mean, this is definitely like a

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<v Speaker 1>trial year just because neither of us have lived in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. I think the tone is if we love

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<v Speaker 1>it here, this could be like definitely a long term

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.399
<v Speaker 1>location for us. Um. We definitely didn't move here with

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of like agreement of like we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to live here, but like we're settling back down in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago or like we are settling back down in Toronto. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think this year is going to definitely

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.720
<v Speaker 1>determine a lot because obviously when you have kids involved

0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like being close to family, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>benefit to that. As someone going through right now, it

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is a huge benefit. Obviously do what you guys want,

0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.280
<v Speaker 1>but like it's a game changer. Oh yeah, a hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Like being down the street and being able to like

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<v Speaker 1>like Joe has a lot of friends that have young

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.320
<v Speaker 1>kids and like I see how they basically are just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I dropped my child off like at my parents for

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<v Speaker 1>the day and like go do what I needs. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to raise kids in New York where

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have family, like, we would definitely have to

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<v Speaker 1>know we have a really strong support system here. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I love Toronto, I would raise kids in

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<v Speaker 1>Toronto in a heartbeat. I just think the challenge is

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<v Speaker 1>like his businesses in Chicago and like in reality, like

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.840
<v Speaker 1>there's more business opportunity in the States for me as

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<v Speaker 1>well than there would be in Toronto at this time

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives. Who know, So you guys have had

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations about kids there? Oh yeah, I said on

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<v Speaker 1>our or state like if you don't want kids, like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just call it now, Like it's like a deal

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<v Speaker 1>record for me for sure, gotcha? And so how many

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<v Speaker 1>kids do you want? Two? Okay, it's a good number.

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And Joe's okay with that. Joe said, too, is his

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<v Speaker 1>like hard number? Yeah? I feel like, yeah, I think

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.880
<v Speaker 1>he'll be a good dad too. He like he has

0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of friends with the young kids, but I

0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>feel like he hasn't had like a ton of experience

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 1>like with kids, But he'll be a good dad. Jared,

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>what were you like around kids love before you had children? Yeah? Yeah,

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I just because my cousins who were like my brothers

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and sisters have had kids. And then also I used

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to volunteer at a children's hospital for about eight years,

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 1>so I dealt with a lot of babies up till

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.480
<v Speaker 1>about eight years old, so I've had a lot of experiences.

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But you guys were talking about like having one or

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:59.320
<v Speaker 1>two kids because Ashes dead set on having another one. Okay,

0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.480
<v Speaker 1>which listen, of course, I want my son to have

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.360
<v Speaker 1>a sibling. I want to, you know, have a brother

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.919
<v Speaker 1>or sister. Having said that, the idea of literally doing

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 1>exactly what we've done for the past year and just

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.239
<v Speaker 1>doing it all over again, especially for Ash, I mean

0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:16.760
<v Speaker 1>with another case, that's what I mean. I don't think

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.160
<v Speaker 1>she realizes that. Like when you know, if everything knock

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.360
<v Speaker 1>on wood, everything goes well, and Dawson is a year

0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 1>year and a half, when she gets pregnant again, it's like, damn, yeah,

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.440
<v Speaker 1>but what do you think would be better? Do you

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>think could be better to like have a bit of

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:32.439
<v Speaker 1>a gap between him, or do you think it'd be

0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 1>better to have him both like in the same phase

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.439
<v Speaker 1>of life at the same time. That way, you're just

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>fully focused on that, you know, I have no idea.

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's so hard because this is our first kid,

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 1>so I don't really know what the future has in store.

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Because I've heard so many people, so many people give

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.400
<v Speaker 1>you different advice. They're like, oh, the first six months

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 1>is the hardest, and then other people will be like no,

0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>when he starts, you know, crawling and walking, it becomes

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 1>much harder because then you can't just like PLoP him

0:22:57.760 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>in bed and he'll be fine. So I've heard it

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, So it's just gonna be kind

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 1>of a trial by error and see, like what happens,

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 1>how we how it goes with Dawson. Do you have

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a little boy? Yeah, so we have a little boys

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 1>named Dawson. He's ten weeks. He's gonna be ten weeks

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 1>on Monday. He's awesome. Like everybody who scares you about parenthood,

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>they shouldn't. I mean, listen, it is stressful. I can

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 1>like even Ashley and I it adds tension to the relationship.

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.640
<v Speaker 1>To just be completely frank, I mean it does. Oh

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>I bet the lack of sleep like adds tension to anything.

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Lack of sleep and then you know, especially I think

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>us starting a business has really heard us as well,

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>because it just consumes a lot of my time. So

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm away from home a lot. So when I come home,

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.560
<v Speaker 1>she's like, Okay, here's the kid, and I'm like, all right,

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.800
<v Speaker 1>well I'm really tired, and she's like well, I've been

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 1>with him all time, all day, and I'm really tired

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and so and then of course just like we miss

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 1>each other, and then like last night we even have

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>a conversation, and you know, I feel it's just tough because,

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 1>especially with a kid, the romance is thrown out the

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>window right now. There's no time for just ash and I.

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>So she's like, I feel like we're just friends right now.

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:06.919
<v Speaker 1>We're not husband and wife. And it's like, no, of

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.199
<v Speaker 1>course we're husband wife, but it's just, you know, we're

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of like grinding through right now, getting done what

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>we need to get done and focusing on Dawson and

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the business. And we're we just bought a house and

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 1>we might have to buy another one. It's a long story.

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>So um, you know, there's just like we don't go

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>on dates anymore. There's no time. It's never just Ashley

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and I anymore. It's always Ashley, me and Dawson, which

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>is wonderful in so many different aspects. But obviously when

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>like we sit down in Dawson's in bed, it's like,

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, good night, good night, Like we don't even

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>talk anybody. Do you guys ever have any like major

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 1>disputes about parenting styles, not as of right now. Uh

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:48.160
<v Speaker 1>it it will be interesting. You know, obviously everybody has

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.959
<v Speaker 1>their own ways of doing things. Uh, not just with

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Ash and I, but grandparents, Uh, you know, siblings, aunts

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and uncles, so like everybody kind of you know, it's

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.679
<v Speaker 1>the first grandkids, so everybody's like kind of you know,

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>very eager to be like, oh, what about this or

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>what about that? But as of right now, no, Ash

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and I have been really on the same page about

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>our parents' house. Did you guys tell anyone the name

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>before the baby was born? Oh? Yeah, have you met?

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've met Ashley. I was being funny,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>but they live streamed on Amazon when we live stream,

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and to Ashley can't hold anything in so she was like,

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty my cousin was like that. She she told

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like everyone the name, but like it is funny because

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.479
<v Speaker 1>I do, like I feel like people sometimes don't because

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>then you get like all of the feedback from the family.

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone feels like they can have like an opinion,

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>even if it's negative, because it's like, well, maybe they'll

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>change it. Oh, I get so defensive. Now. I had

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.239
<v Speaker 1>somebody coming in to the coffee shop the other day

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh, what's your son's name? And I

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>go Dawson and they go oh, And I want to

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>go do that mean? And she was like not in

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>a negative way, but she didn't react overly excited. You

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>want them to be like, oh my god, that's the

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>cutest name ever and your baby is a sweet angel

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and that's the only appropriate reaction. Oh god, I'm not dad.

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Now you have an idea for a baby number two?

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 1>His name? Uh no, because if it's a boy, I

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 1>have no idea, and then if it's a girl, I

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. Ashley wanted arena girl. That makes sense.

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:24.239
<v Speaker 1>That's no idea for either my point arena like if

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>like a stadium arena, and I was like, that is beautiful.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I like Serena better though I like the s arena.

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>It just makes me It's just like she's stadium. Yeah,

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>She's like concerts has been such a you know, a

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 1>huge part of my life. And I like, ash I'm

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 1>spelling with an eye like a yeah, I can't do that.

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Instead of like a r irena, isn't that the IRENA's name?

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 1>And me myself and I me myself and Irene. That

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>was the name of the movie. I don't know, but Arena,

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Hey, I'm not a fan of it,

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.399
<v Speaker 1>but I do appreciate the creativity, and I'll learn to

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>love it. If she does decide to name them the

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>first baby, you would always call it Arena for sure,

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>just R, E and A. I don't like any of

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the above. Okay, so hard fast. Um, well, you guys,

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. We went a little over

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>on time there, so let's say a quick break and

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>we'll come right back and get to some emails and

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>some of our hot topics for the day. So stay tuned,

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>all right, So we have two emails coming up. Well,

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>we were going to do hot topics, but I think

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:42.959
<v Speaker 1>we had such a great time talking to each other,

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna do hot topics today. Instead, we're gonna

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>jump right into emails. Yeah, let's get to the juicy stuff,

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the good stuff, Dean, I'll read the first email. It's

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 1>from Sienna. Great name. Uh, this is a question for everybody.

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>When was the moment you knew you were in love?

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>If you were a significant other, do you remember that

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>specific moment when it happened. I want to ask you

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Serena first, because was Joe even on your radar in Paradise?

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember did you know who Joe was when

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you first met him down in Paradise? So I knew

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>who he was. I watched back in season, and so

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I do remember the whole like grocery store Joe Twitter explosion, um,

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>but like I didn't follow him on Instagram or anything.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even really watch the season of Paradise. I

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 1>think I watched like maybe two or three episodes, and

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 1>then I was never on click Bait. It's like we

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>never met or anything. Like I know a couple of

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the girls from my season to click Bait and they

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, yeah, I'm microstotore Joe. Um. But I

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't know he was going to be there, Like I

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>think everyone goes through like past cast members of like

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>who might be there, and I think I asked one

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of the producers if he would be like one time,

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and obviously the answer is like, I don't know, you

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>have to see, and then kind of like forgot about it.

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I remember walking down I was like, what

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the hell grocers are Joe's here? So rand him um,

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and then we just totally headed off, like right out

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of the gate obviously. UM, I'm trying to think of

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>like when, because I remember when I told him I

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>loved him, But I don't know if I remember the

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>moment that I was like, I'm in love with this guy.

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh I do. I do remember, because I was like

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>crying an interview. Um, it was the night this, So

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I knew I was in love with

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>him at this point, but like looking back, I definitely

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>was because I was like really emotional, beyond belief. But

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>they had me do a chat with Wells and like

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't expressed my feelings for him at all, really, um,

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>just because it's so not my comfort zone. And he

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, you have to tell him how you feel.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>And I was like sweating, like freaking out, like totally panicking.

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>And then they took me into interview and they were

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously having me recap a lot of this stuff that

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>was going on with his ex and like talking about that,

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>which was hard, and I just remember like getting super

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>emotional and literally talking to my producer. He was like,

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm very close with her, I'm very comfortable with her,

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm freaking out, and I started crying.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm freaking out. I'm honestly having a

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>total panic attack, Like I have never felt this way

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>for anyone before, Like I don't know what to do,

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm in a super vulnerable position right now, where

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot going on in his personal life

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>on this beach, like I don't know what the to

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>do um And she was like, oh my god, are

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>you okay? I was like I'm not. I'm really not okay.

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>And then that was the night that I decided to

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>tell him that I was falling in love with him.

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>But like looking back, like I'm pretty sure that I

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>was already in love with him, but like I just

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't ready to like jump that step, right, you like

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>protected yourself with the verbit. Yeah, I was like, let's

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>see if he's even gonna say it back first, and

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>then like down the line. But like I'm glad I

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>did that because I think when I said that I

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>loved him, like I was so much more certain and

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>it just like felt so much better than if I

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>had like ten days and been like I love you,

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and then like I think I would have questioned if

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I actually meant it, Whereas like when I said it later,

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I was like I really know I feel this way

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and I mean it. So there wasn't like one defining

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>moment where he like like cut his steak a certain

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>way and you're like I love this guy. No, but

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I do remember after Fantasy Suites they had me like

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>stand there and they had him walk down the beach

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>like away before the whole final rose. And I remember

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>as he was walking away, because I had me stand

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>there for like about ten minutes, I had the like,

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, like I'm going to marry this guy,

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like this is my husband, Like this is it. I

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 1>know it, like I know he's the one. Like I

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>was just like wow, like I'm that was the like

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I can picture and remember that moment so clearly as

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>like a holy like I just found my husband kind

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>of thing. But the falling in love thing, I think

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was like gradual and over time and definitely like blurred

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>with all within all the chaos that we were going through. Yeah,

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>did you guys watch Paradise or have rewatched it all?

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Since we watched Paradise together. Um, I mean he lived it,

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>but he obviously had to because he does one of

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the batchination pot it's like I need to really know

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>what's going on, um, and like we wanted to watch it.

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>There was definitely like for the most part moments, everything

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>was pretty good to watch. I mean, there was some

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>tough stuff, but we've rewatched the proposal, I think, like

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>once or twice, just like a sentiment nice, that's cute. Jared,

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>what about you? How did you know or when did

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you know that you? Uh, it took a lot longer

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>for you than did first Sona obviously to uh know

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that you were in love with Ashley? I agree with

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 1>By the way, uh I relate to Serena where it

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>was like one big buller, you know what I mean.

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>My love for Ashley really blossomed over time, and it's

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>hard to pinpoint like the moment where I was, you know,

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously I always go back to the charity event which

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>happened after our first season in Paradise, were like I

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>had a moment to myself thinking I'm an idiot, But

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like the real love that I have for my wife

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>now really blossomed over time after learning more about her

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and our relationship and our connection and chemistry and who

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>she is and what she represents and um, you know

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>it really just you know, it was It's hard to

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.959
<v Speaker 1>like pinpoint a moment where I was like, this is

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>this is when I know I'm in love with Ashley.

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>But when I told her I was in love with her,

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>it was that weekend when we went the stage coach.

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I know what a place of teller in the desert,

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>but it just we were in bed together and we

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>were talking and just felt like the right moment. So uh,

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's that's my story. Nice um and for me,

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you guys for asking. Uh. It took me a

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>lot longer than Kalen too, I guess fall in love.

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I was way more guarded and I one of my

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>biggest pet peeves I've learned in recent years is when

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>people are in a relationship for a couple of days,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>certain you kind of alluded to this and they're just

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>like they just started blurching blurning out I love you

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>like they you don't mean it, you don't know what

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>love is, and you're just telling this person you love them.

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:54.479
<v Speaker 1>It means nothing because you've known this person for four days, um,

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and you're saying without meaning it or like knowing how

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>it feels. And so I like, I like made a

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>point to like, wait as long as I possibly could

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>just say it, to the point where like almost became

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a thorn in our side of our relationship because Calin

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>has had said it quite a few times and I

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>like refused to say it because I'm a coward. I

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>guess you could say that. But there was one trip

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that I went on specifically. It's it's funny because the

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>moment that I knew that I was in love with her,

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't even there for it. So I went on

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 1>an expedition essentially um with a bunch of friends and

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 1>we were like way up in the mountains. It was

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>like six days long, uh, and there's like no cell

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>phone service. And I noticed that every night when I

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>was going to sleep, before I would go to sleep,

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I would like scroll through my photo album of photos

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>of Kalin uh, and then it like put me It

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>gave me comfort and like put me at ease and stuff.

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>And so then I came back from that trip and

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I'm in love with this girl.

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't even like a moment where she did anything.

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 1>It was just like a realization I guess that I

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 1>had to come to eventually, that's a great story, that's

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a great moment, and I agree I would. I think

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>your way of doing a Dean with so much better.

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>You read of the way and know before you say

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 1>it rather than just blurt it out, because I'm sure

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys can relate as well. You've had friends that

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>have told each other that they love like You've had

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 1>a friend tell someone else that they love them and

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I don't think you're in love with them.

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>I think you're just saying this to say it. And

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I've even said I mean, we've all seen it in

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Bachelor to where people say these things and you're like, you,

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're really in love, but I guess

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>we'll find out and then they break up and then hindsight,

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to so many people where they're like, I

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe I wasn't in love. Maybe maybe maybe it wasn't

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>real love, So Dan, I think you're away from it. Yeah. Yeah,

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>well I've done that too with the Bachelor relationship, where

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I said that the L word way too soon and

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I definitely didn't feel it. I think I was just

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>saying it because I thought it's what I was supposed

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to be saying and I was obviously way wrong. And

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>also like it's it's cool to know, um where like

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I I really didn't want to fall in love and

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>it still happened anyway, So like that's a cool feeling,

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, like this, despite my all my efforts to

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>not let it happen, it still happened. It just makes

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>it feel a little bit more comfortable, I guess for me.

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>But everyone's got their own story. Like just because obviously

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>we have ours, doesn't mean there's any right or wrong

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>way to fall in love. I just think that sometimes

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>people uh express their feelings before they've fully been able

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.760
<v Speaker 1>to like understand that, and that gets people in trouble sometimes.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.720
<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny those my parents have like both

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.959
<v Speaker 1>sides to this coin because they met and basically spent

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>like two weeks together right into the gate, like we're

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>very into each other immediately, and after two weeks, my

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>mom told my dad that she was in love with him,

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and my dad was basically like, you don't know what

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about, Like I've known you for two weeks,

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Like what are you talking about? Like how do you know?

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>And she was just like I know, Like I just

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>know that I'm in love with you, and he was

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>just basically extremely skeptical, and she was like, you're an idiot.

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna end up together. And so like, I'm more

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>like my dad in these situations on a present, but

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>like I respect my mom because she's like, yeah, look,

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>we've been together for twenty five years. Like, obviously I

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>was right, Yeah, it's not a sound science. Well, after

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years, it's it's definitely funny to look back

0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and be like, yeah, I knew that I was talking about.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.439
<v Speaker 1>But how many of those, you know, end after three months?

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>But exception, she's the exception. That's great. That's great. And

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>your dad sounds like like a who as well. He

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>sounds like my kind of guy. Um, all right, let's

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>get to this last email from Emily. I'll read it

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>this since Jared read the first one. Emily says, I

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>just found out that my husband of five years, we've

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 1>been together for nine had an affair with a woman

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>for the past two years. I am so heartbroken, angry,

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>and confused, but know that I love this man more

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>than anything. I know. There are a lot of couples

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>who get over something like this, go to therapy and

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>make it work. But I don't know what to do.

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>My question is would this be something you could get

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 1>over with your significant other? What do you guys think

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 1>or sreenaw? Okay, uh, Listen, two years a long time

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>to have an affair. This is not like he cheated.

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>It was one night thing he regrets it still obviously

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>not right, but there's different levels of wrong, and so

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was intentionally cheating on you with

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>an another woman for two years of your five year

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.439
<v Speaker 1>marriage is tough. Like, listen, Emily, you could probably get

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>past it if you guys work hard, and you would

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>have to have a lot of forgiveness in your heart,

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>but also at the same time, you might hold it

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>against him for the rest of your life. So I

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>don't I mean, I'm not sure. If there's kids involved,

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously that changes the conversation as well, but it I

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's gonna be tough because Emily, even if

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 1>you guys get past this, I feel like, in you know,

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>in a year, he's gonna be like, I'm going out

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 1>with my friends, and in the back of your mind

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be like, is he And you're gonna have

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to live with that for the rest of your life,

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure if it's worth it. So that's

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you can get past it, but it's not going to

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 1>be easy, and it really just kind of depends on

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>you have to decide on your level of comfort and

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>your how much happiness you want your relationship, because unfortunately,

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be a part of it. This

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 1>will be a part of the conversation of your relationship

0:38:55.760 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 1>for forever. M I'm curiously for a woman's perspective, Uh yeah,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I have. Joe and I both have very strong like

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>stances on cheating, like that would be an absolutely dear

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 1>break or I'd be gone immediately. But I mean that

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for like how hard

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>it would be to leave someone that you're in love with.

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a difference between wanting to get past

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 1>something and actually know when you'll be able to get

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>past it. Anyone that I know that's been cheated on,

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like if they stay with that person, it's out

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of desire to get past it. And once the breakup happens,

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>whether it's like a year or two later about the

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>affair or about something else, like it always comes to

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 1>fruition that like it was always in the back of

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>their mind, which I think it would be for me,

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I would never be able to fully rebuild that

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>trust with someone. And like, yeah, like you said, Jared,

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 1>if it was a one night stand, he came home

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>next morning and immediately confessed to it. Like that's not

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>to say that that's like a good thing, but like

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that there's more honesty in that, whereas like

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>a two year affair, Like that's two years of like

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>lying and broken trust and honesty, and like that's hard

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 1>to come back from. You might love him, but like

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>he's not loving you the way that you're loving him,

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and like that's not something that anyone deserves. That's and

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>it's just so crazy to think about. They've been married

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:16.240
<v Speaker 1>five years and fort of that time he was simultaneously

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.240
<v Speaker 1>dating another woman, Like I that's crazy to me. I agree,

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Like there is different I guess levels to it. Like

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.399
<v Speaker 1>you said, Jared and Srina, one night stand still would

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>suck and it was still probably like puts a big

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>thor on your side. But the fact that this person

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.320
<v Speaker 1>was with a girl for two years while you were married,

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Like that's crazy and everyone's different and some people can

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 1>get over it and work through it. Um I don't

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>think I could be that person, but I mean maybe,

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>but maybe, Like I don't know, like certain circumstances, like

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you said, if there's kids, or if you guys really

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>love each other, if you really feel like he's sorry.

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like you guys said, I think that will

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>always be in the back of your head. Um about

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>like you know, let's say he's on his phone. Well,

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, this is also the girl we

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>know about. I mean, if he's been cheating for two years,

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 1>like one of the odds that this is the only one.

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>And like, you guys are gonna be like sitting on

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the couch and he's gonna be on his phone and

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be like in the kitchen and he's gonna

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 1>be You're gonna be like looking at him like who

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the hell is he texting right now? Like what is

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>he on his phone doing? And you're gonna have that

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>feeling probably for the rest of the time that you

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:22.320
<v Speaker 1>guys are together. So you don't want that kind of uncomfortability. Um.

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>I I personally couldn't do it. I don't think any

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>three of us could do it. But I think to

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 1>like you're like, this person has been lying to your

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 1>face for every day for two years, like that is

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a very and to know that they were capable of

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>doing that, like, in my mind, means they're probably capable

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of doing it again. And I just think, like a

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of people think that love is enough to save

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>a relationship, it's not in my opinion. So just because

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 1>you love this person and they claim to love you,

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>does not mean you're going to be able to get

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 1>past this and salvage the relationship. But it actually doesn't

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>mean you should. It probably isn't healthy to begin with.

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to know. I want to know how she

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:03.359
<v Speaker 1>found out. That would really interesting. Um So, Emily, if

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you're listening and you feel okay divulging that information and

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>like the email us again, please email us and let

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>us know how the whole situation went down, because we're

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 1>all three of us are pretty invested right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can email. What's our email address, It's I suck

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<v Speaker 1>here's a podcasting and you finally got the email right

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<v Speaker 1>still don't know it off the top of your head.

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Uh so, please keep emailing us, Sienna and Emily.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Emily. We're our hearts go out

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<v Speaker 1>to you. We wish you nothing but the best. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and once again we would love to hear from you more.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and that's gonna do it. For this week's episode

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<v Speaker 1>of help I Suck a Dating. Thank you to everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who's listening. Serena, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>Please tune in next week, where hopefully we all suck

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<v Speaker 1>just a little less. Hey, Jared, you forgot to plug

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<v Speaker 1>our next episode this same week, where we've got contestants

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