WEBVTT - How Hypnosis Is Changing Lives! 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:10.960 Now, really, really, now, really hello, and welcome to really 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.840 know Really Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who are giving 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.239 you a post hypnotic suggestion that everything in your life 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:18.320 will feel better. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:19.560 If you subscribe to our show. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.680 Now. That may seem nuts because it is, but also 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.680 hypnosis and post hypnotic suggestion are subjects that seem to 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:31.320 invite both huge skepticism and equal fascination. We've all seen 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.640 videos of stage hypnotists who pull random people out of 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.760 their audience, hypnotize them in what seems like minutes or 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.360 even seconds, and then suddenly have them clucking like chickens 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:42.879 dancing like ballerinas. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.360 Well, Jason and Peter. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.839 Wanted to know if this is just a bunch of 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.560 nice people playing along with the act, or if stage 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.840 hypnosis is the real deal, really no really. To get 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.280 that answer, we turned to doctor David Siegel, who is 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.720 a pre eminent expert in hypnosis and one of the 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.960 most successful and renowned hypnoti therapists. So close your eyes, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:02.600 you are. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.760 Getting sleepy, sleepy, But now wake up. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:07.720 Here's Jason and Peter. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.080 So here we are. We're back again. We're back. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.800 You know how I know you're in black sitting in 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.120 a black chair. I see ahead, I see a floating head. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:16.959 It's like magic. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.200 You're like, you're like Copperfield over there. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.559 So today, yes, we're talking about hypnosis because you are 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:26.280 just fascinated. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.480 Now I know, I know a little bit about hypnosis 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.600 because I I I actually I will reveal later I'm 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:32.840 not a stranger to it. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.440 On either side of the equation what that means. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.440 And by the way, thanks for the visual aid either 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:41.240 side of your crazy. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.679 But this came about when I was watching I was 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.080 in Vegas and I went to one of these, you know, 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.120 stage hypnosis shows, and I'm going to okay, they spent 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:55.000 five minutes. When I've when I've partaken, it takes some time. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:00.200 So five minutes, Yeah, you're sleep Uh if you're aware 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.560 of everything, everything's fun and your chicken and people are chickens, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.560 And I go, okay. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.520 Is that real? So you and I got talking based. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.400 On our experience, where is really stage hypnosis real? 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.160 I am so thrilled, thank you. But and then he 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.919 gets to the bigger issue because our guest not only 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.520 knows about hypnosis because of his background, but hypnotherapy, but 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.440 how it can be used to help people with anxiety 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.239 and cancer and smoking and checker you want to do 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:25.880 about you like to. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.000 Back absolutely, So we will be speaking with doctor David Spiegel, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.679 who's a Wilson Professor, Associate Chair of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.840 director of the Center of Stress and Health, and medical 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.440 director of the Center for Integrated Medicine at Stanford University 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.760 School of Medicine. He's a very big guy, more than 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:49.560 forty years of research and experience in psycho It says 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.079 psycho oncology. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.600 That's a thing right there. Well, I'm sure you use 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.440 psycho health with cancer patients. Plus, I've seen a lot 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.240 of his videos and I want to hopefully he'll do 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.120 a little bit of self hypnosis today for anxiety because 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:02.519 it's fast. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:02.960 It's fast. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.040 Say, if nothing else, this this impressed Maent. I'll give 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:06.720 this one lest right. He's written books and he's on 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.919 numerous panels, but he was invited to speak on hypnosis 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.040 at the World Economic for Him in Davos pretty eighteen. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.000 And you know, what's what do they want to know about? 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:16.600 You know, that's. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.280 That's a fascinating places into the picture. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.240 That's welcome. Doctor David Spiegel, welcome to really no, really. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.880 Sir, happy to be here. Thanks for having me. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.280 So stage stage magic. I know that's not your thing. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.560 You're necessarily saying magic, you will say state hypnosis. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.040 Yeah, because you're already poo pooing and lumping it in 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:36.400 with me. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.560 I am, I am, and I guess that shows a 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.000 bias that I don't believe it. Even though that show, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.680 even though you had me in Max Max Mavens show, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.720 I was on stage doing it, and it is a 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.560 weird thing doing it because when you're on stage, you're 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.640 a little disoriented. There's a bit of compliance because other 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.680 people are doing it, so you kind of go along 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.480 with it more than not. Okay, but what's your take, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.280 being an expert in the field about you see this 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.040 where they can't lift their hands their chicken. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.600 Well, it's not say have you have you seen, either 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.920 live or film a stage of Nosa's show. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.320 Yeah, I've seen lots of recordings. I've never been able 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.560 to stomach ponying up the money to actually pay to watch. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.040 It because I detected a take on it. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.039 Yeah, there is a take on Well, now, the thing is, 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.080 you know, it's kind of the phenomenon is real, but 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.159 there's a certain amount of deception that goes on in 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.720 the way these guys do it, and I just don't 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.039 like using what I think is a wonderful and powerful 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:40.799 phenomenon to make people look silly. But there is actually 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.719 a message in it. So what they do that I'm 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.719 sure happened in your show. They don't just grab the 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.280 first three people and put them all through these things. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.680 What they do is get some people up, try a 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.440 few things, ask most of them to sit down and 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.160 keep on stage. The people who respond the most because 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.919 they are a big different is in hypnotizability, and not 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.800 everybody can do all that stuff. Not everybody will cluck 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.359 like a chicken or the football coach and dance like 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.320 a ballerina. So they've got a first filter out to 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.920 get to the maybe twenty percent of the population sitting 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.640 there who are very hypnotizable and then have them do 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:24.200 those extreme things. And it is illustrating that there is 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.280 this powerful phenomenon out there, that there are people who 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.680 can do things with their brains and their bodies that 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.760 we didn't think we could do. That's a very important 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.560 lesson and something that I use every day in my office. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.640 But I don't like the way it's done. It's sort 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.640 of like snake oil with medicines. You know, there are 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.880 good uses of medicines, but snake oil isn't on the list. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:46.480 Is that real? 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.280 When they say you can't put down your hands or 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.159 do you think it is compliance or do you think 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.640 it is a bit of they whisper in their ear like, hey, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.279 this is gonna be fun for the audience whatever. Or 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.640 can you actually get somebody who's compliant. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:57.599 To do that? 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.800 I just had somebody in my office did it an 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.400 hour ago. So the answer is yes, it happens. Pull 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.599 the hand down. You've given them an instruction that it 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.719 feel like like a balloon and it floats right back 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.520 up and you're they're surprised. They say, oh my goodness. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.880 So we have this kind of intense mind body connection. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.120 And actually, the biggest message I hope your listeners will 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.560 take the heart is that when he shows the football 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.960 coach dancing like a ballerina, he's showing that you can 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.719 try out being different and see what it feels like 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.520 in hypnosis, and I can tell you what's going on 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.120 in their brains when they do it, because we've studied. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.920 But it is an opportunity to try out what it 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.880 would be like if I were a different person, if 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.120 I didn't react to pain with fear and anger, but 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.960 rather taught my brain how to reprocess the pain, I 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.479 could actually feel less pain and be less anxious if 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:50.599 I thought, you go ahead. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.800 I just wanted to be because you had mentioned what 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.479 is actually triggering in the brain when they do that. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.560 Is it a dopamine thing? Is it a what is. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:06.200 The actually more an inhibitory neurotransmitter dopamine, the feel good 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:12.800 neurotransmitter is involved, but it's gamma amino butyric acid GABBA. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.040 It's the major inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain, and it 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.560 is it is the thing that is triggered by benzodiazepines, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.520 by anti anxiety medications and some of the sleeping meds, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.200 and it calms down, particularly activity in a part of 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.880 the brain called the anterior singulate cortex. The singular cortex 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.960 is to see on its ends in the middle of 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.840 your brain, and the front part is what we call 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.440 the salience network. It's the alarm system in the brain. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:41.360 So you hear a. 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.000 Loud noise and oh my god, what was that? That's 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.360 your salience network saying you better check this out. This 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.360 could be a danger. We're pretty pathetic physical creatures. We 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.200 don't run that well. We're not that strong. So if 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.440 you didn't have an alarm system that warned you when 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.560 there was trouble lurking around outside your cave, you could 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.720 be in big trouble. That's what that system does. 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:02.520 Now. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.240 In our case, most of the dangers aren't physical. They're 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.840 emotional or psychological. So what we do in hypnosis is 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.200 just turned down activity. There you're less likely to be 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:18.720 distracted and you're less likely to be bothered by apparent contradictions. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.720 So you know, my left hand really isn't any lighter 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.640 than my right hand, but you know what, right now 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.480 it feels that way, and you pull the hand down, 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.080 and you know what, it just feels like it's going up. Now, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.480 that's surprising, it's strange. The brain can do that for 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.040 many people. And you turn down that sort of critical 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.840 part of your brain that says, ah no, that couldn't be, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.760 and you find out that it is. That you can 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.520 be different, and that's a tremendous advantage. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.800 Can you make people get things against their will? Can 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.920 you make me do something that I would not normally do, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.360 or I would find offensive or wrong. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:09:00.520 Well, I got you to record me on this. It's 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.200 let me put it this way. You do to some 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.600 extent suspend judgment, you don't entirely suspend judgment. So there's 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.640 a famous story of Jean Martin Scharcot, a famous French 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.640 neurologist who used to teach people about hypnosis in the 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.840 eighteenth century. He taught Freud in the early nineteenth century 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:24.120 how to how to use hypnosis, and the story was 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.559 that they had a young woman patient who was very hypnotizable, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.400 and they had her to demonstrate that you could do 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.880 anything with hypnosis. They had her imagined that her mother 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.400 was in front of her, and she had an ax 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.600 in her hand, and she was going to murder her mother. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.440 And so she starts screaming and yelling and swinging her arms, 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.160 and the professor marches off, saying, see, I've proven it. Well, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.240 the trainees thought they'd try one other thing with her. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.480 She was still hypnotized. They said, well, you know, it's 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.679 getting time for bed, and you're going to take off 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.760 your clothes and go to bed, and she opened her eyes, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.560 told them to go to hell, and stomped out of 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.480 the room so she could she knew the difference between 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.960 play acting killing her imaginary mother and taking her real 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:11.400 clothes off in front of a bunch of lascivious medical students. So, yes, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.679 people can you're reducing the threshold. You're saying, I'll do 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.240 some strange things, but when it comes to something with 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:25.040 serious consequences, in most circumstances, I think people won't do that. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.840 They turn it down, but they don't eliminate judgment. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.600 Okay, the other thing that I've seen. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.440 That seems so jit but I don't with my understanding 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.439 of hypnosis and what it can do, I don't understand 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:37.839 why this is a possibility. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:38.839 But I have seen. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:46.480 Things acts of physical strength that are greatly enhanced by 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:51.080 people under that state. Why would what you're describing also 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:56.640 enable somebody to access, you know, more more physical ability. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.440 Hypnosis involves three things. It involves intense focus of attention. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.319 It's like looking through a telephoto lens and a camera. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.800 What you see, you see with great detail. You put 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.160 outside of conscious awareness things it would ordinarily be in consciousness. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.360 So right now, you guys are sitting in I'm sure 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.360 wonderfully comfortable chairist there, but hopefully you aren't even aware 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.600 of the sensations in your butts touching these chairs right right. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.080 If you were, we could just stop the interview now. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.480 And so you're doing something that involves a certain amount 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.120 of physical experience in contact that you're just not aware of. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.080 You're putting an outside of consciousness, so you dissociate it. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:35.000 That's the second thing. And the third thing is you 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.320 you inhibit the part of your brain that says you 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.480 shouldn't be doing this, or people like you don't do 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.480 things like this, or you know what your mother would 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.679 think of you if you did. You turned down that 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:49.920 that self evaluation. So in those circumstances, you can intensify 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.160 your response. It's sort of like what you saw the 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:58.400 Olympic athletes do that they focus very intently. Or think 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.560 about Steph Curry, you know, with that final three pointer 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.160 that won the game, with these two huge guys blocking him, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:10.320 and he's just all he's focused on is his connection 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.840 with the ball, and he's done that so many times. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.280 I love watching him, and so the other stuff just disappeared. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.480 So he was able to do something that very few 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.600 people could do because he's so skilled. By narrowing his 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.280 focus of attention figuring out how to get back away 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.520 from those guys and get the ball in the basket. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.760 That's that's hypnotic like statement. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:35.520 Can hypnosis help recall memories, forgotten memories, past memories accurately? 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:36.880 Well? 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.680 Yes, to the extent that any memory recall is active. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.040 I mean, our brain records vast amounts of information, but 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.559 it's not a you know, it's not a digital recorder. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:52.800 But that said, memory is mainly works by association, by context. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:54.840 So when you went back, if you went back to 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.680 your grade school sometime years later, you know, you probably 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.720 started remembering things if you hadn't thought of since you 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.040 were in grade school, the asty kid in the next locker, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.480 or you know, whatever else it was. And so with hypnosis, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:15.079 you can intensify your focus, you can intensify your experience 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.240 of not just thinking about it, but being there and 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.840 trigger association and so. And there are times when people 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:27.120 who have traumatic experiences can deal with the unpleasant emotions 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.440 that come with it, calming themselves, reminding themselves that they're 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:36.000 now safe, but allow their brains to reaccess experiences that 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.720 were painful or difficult. So can that happen? 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:39.000 Yes? 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.920 Is it an absolute guarantee that the memory is completely accurate. No, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.800 but that's true for all memories that you know. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.640 What that reminds me of. I don't know if you 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:50.760 ever saw this, Peter. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.520 There was a there was a fairly famous story in 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.600 the in the UFO community, but it was done as 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.839 a docu drama as well, about a couple named Betty 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.800 and Barney Hill that could not account for They were 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.600 on a road trip and they couldn't account for a 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.920 period of their lives. They basically felt like they had 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.760 a blackout experience and it was freaking them out, and 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.439 they went to a therapist first of all, and then 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:18.400 a hypnotherapist who under hypnosis regressed them back to this 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:23.320 period that they couldn't count for, and individually, separately, they 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.040 started to recall from their own perspective an alien abduction 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:29.760 and what happened to them, and it became a very 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.280 famous story in the UFO community. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.440 But my question always was. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.440 Would we be more correct to assume that they were 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:43.120 recounting something they actually experienced or believed the experience, or 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.600 did it open up a key to their imagination and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.320 their imaginations went off on a spin. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.800 Yeah, the answer is yes. I mean, I think it's 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.960 entirely possible. I think it's likely that it opened a 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.080 key to their imagination. And you know, you can have 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.320 people in hypnosi vividly picture something, you know, like that 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.640 young woman imagining murdering her mother that just didn't happen, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.640 but it's vivid. So with the narrow focus of attention, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.040 allows you, on the one hand, to intensely focus on 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:20.680 the concept, on what you're doing and maybe therefore access 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.920 real memories better. Or it can say, it can be 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.360 an instruction to imagine things, and I do that with 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.560 ignosis all the time. Picture yourself in a pleasant situation. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.320 Imagine you're floating in a band of like Debra floating 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.560 in space, and they do it. My patient just an 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.960 hour ago was saying, oh, yeah, you know, I'm floating 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.960 in the Pacific Ocean outside near Hawaii. Guy with a 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.640 lot of anxiety problems. But he was able instantly to 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.960 so affiliate with this image of a place where he 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.720 obviously was not. That his body felt better and his 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.160 anxiety went from four to one. So it can go 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.560 either way. It's no truth serum, but it can allow 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.200 us to intensely focus. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.320 So turning to that idea of what you do for 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:11.400 much of your professional life. What reasonably do people turn 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.760 to hypnotherapists or hypnotherapy for? 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.440 What is you know areas that are. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.760 Reasonable to expect some results and perhaps some that are ridiculous. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.600 Well, it's very reasonable to expect help with problems like 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.320 stress management, because stress is a mind body interaction where 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.960 you worry about something, you notice your body getting tense, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.080 and then you think, oh my god, this must be 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.720 really bad. It's like a snowball rolling downhill. It just 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.760 picks ups. Right, So you can use hypnosis to help 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.080 people manage their physical stress. First, go to Hawaii and 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.320 float in the ocean. And then I had him picture 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.920 a problem that he's really struggling with in his work, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.120 and he was able doing that while keeping his body 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.400 camp to picture a first step. I know the meeting, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.560 I know the people I need to convene to work 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.280 on solving this problem. And he literally made himself feel 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.399 better by keeping his body comfortable but also allowing his 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.119 mind to stop panicking and focus on the next step 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.800 to dealing with the problem. So that's the kind of 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:14.640 thing you can do. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.120 And are you able to turn that into a therapy 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.080 he can access without being in a session with you. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.119 Are you able to turn that into a therapy he 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.840 can access without being in a session with you. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.040 Yes, indeed. And either people can just remember how to 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.840 do it, or We've built an app called reverie r 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.720 E V E ri I where you get to hear 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:54.840 my malifluous voice anytime you want, and I give instructions 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.639 about getting your body floating, and then I'll ask is 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.679 your body floating now? And if they say yes, I 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.040 go on to the next step of dealing with the problem. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.800 If not, I help them to intensify that. So it's 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.160 a digital interactive app that helps people with problems like stress. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.360 With pain, we teach people to filter the hurt out 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.280 of the pain. Imagine you're in a you know, if 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.959 your if your back is really sore, or you at 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.040 surgery or something. Imagine you're floating the lake. Cruel tingly 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.399 enough filtered the hert out of the pain. And we 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.160 have randomized clinical trials that prove that people taught self 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:32.480 ignosis during medical procedures have significantly less pain and less 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.760 anxiety and shorter precedure time because they're so comfortable. Then 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.159 people who have standard care just pushing a button and 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:39.880 getting opiates. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:41.159 Yeah, this is this? 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.160 Like okay, so is this like you're changing the client's 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.320 expectations like the placebo effect, except with no deception. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:48.239 Is that what this is? 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.200 It's it's that you're right, no deception, but it's more 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.600 powerful than the placebo effect. There have been studies that 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.919 compare the two, and the placebo effect. If you're not 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.600 very hypnotizable, is like trying to experience hignosis. But if 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.639 you're hypnotized, you can literally tolerate keeping your hand in 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.720 cold water longer. If you're using hypnosis, you're imagining you've 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.360 got a warm glove on your hand, it's filtering out 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.800 the cold, and you will literally feel less discomfort and 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.399 deal with the cold water temperature longer. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.399 All right, So this was a thing that happened to me. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:21.000 There was a point in my life where I thought 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.560 it was going to be fired. Doesn't radio a long time. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.280 I was sure I was going to lose my job. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.040 And I was telling this guy who wasn't even that 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.880 close a friend who I was walking with, and he said, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.080 you know something, you're firing yourself three four times a night. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.760 You may get fired at some point and you'll figure 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.399 it out. But you're firing yourself every single night, and 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.760 it resonated in such a strong way. How would hypnotherapy 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.000 aid that if somebody's going through that to the story 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.240 that they're telling themselves. 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.080 Well, you know, hypnosis has been called believed in imagination. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.200 So it's not just that you're imagining, but you're not saying, oh, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.639 I'm sitting here imagining it. Your friend who who deserves 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.399 a psychotherapist's license, what he did was helping you to 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.200 put it in perspective. They say, yes, you're having these fears, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.520 you have that anxiety, but the way you're doing it 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.439 makes it seem like it's actually happening, and that just 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.280 amplifies your anxiety and you feel the physical tension and 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.320 you think, oh my god, this must be serious, and 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.240 on you go. So what what you can do with 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.280 hypnosis is picture something that helps to correct the situation, 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.840 or just you can detach yourself from it to the 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.960 extent that you realize you're imagining it. It's not happening, 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.479 but you're experiencing it as though it were happening, and 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.600 that just makes you more and more anxious for real. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.080 Before before we go, would you mind. Could you do 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.639 a little bit for people watching now who's never experienced that? Absolutely, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.480 take us, take us through a little bit of self power. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.760 Is by the way, the posted not suggestion of tuning 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.680 in every Tuesday as new episodes drop of really it would. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:58.720 I'm getting sleeper. You can't raise your arms and drop right. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.520 So that's right. You just tore it up and made 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.200 dirty something so beautiful. 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:09.760 No, no, I took advantage of a beautiful opportunity to 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.840 do what's for not what's advantage of? 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:15.960