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Speaker 2: Welcome in Fresh Off Vacation, Episode one seventy two, What's

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Speaker 2: Right with Nick Wrighton. Before we pan out and show

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Speaker 2: who our special guest is today, let me tell you

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Speaker 2: about how this podcast usually works. We have done one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two episodes plus the tirty of our

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Speaker 2: top fifty players of all time countdown, so we're at

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Speaker 2: around two hundred episodes. There has been one person that

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Speaker 2: an essential blood relative on this show, low Wayne, and

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Speaker 2: so we kind of decided we don't We're not really

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Speaker 2: gonna do guests. We're not a podcast that does guests. However,

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Speaker 2: if it is a family only podcast, there is one

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Speaker 2: person who you all know who is in the sports

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Speaker 2: a blood relative, I've known for now ten years. He

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Speaker 2: is essentially family and he joins us today on a

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Speaker 2: special appearance. He is, of course Bamani Jones, but Bamoni

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Speaker 2: Jones joining us on the pod. Good to see you both.

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Speaker 3: And see man, I'm not gonna lie with you started

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Speaker 3: saying that everybody had been blood I thought you were

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Speaker 2: So that's what it was, either blood relative or blood

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Speaker 2: you know. That's how the podcast has worked so far.

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Speaker 2: So today you today's show, we're just gonna run through.

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Speaker 2: Uh will spend the first segment talking the NBA, the

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Speaker 2: always do get to your listener questions. Bamani, how have

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Speaker 2: you been good? To see you doing good.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I was like actually prepared to

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Speaker 3: come here and just read to your questions. You know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Sorry, job.

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Speaker 2: I go.

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Speaker 3: I can humble myself generally speak. You know that.

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Speaker 2: You know what, when people hear Bomani Jones, I think

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Speaker 2: not what we're gonna do. We're gonna do this kind

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Speaker 3: In fact, not only are you allowed to say so,

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Speaker 2: So subscribe to the podcast the Right Time of the

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Speaker 2: Bomani Jones that is still ongoing as Bomoni, you know,

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Speaker 2: something that is very near and dear to my heart

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Speaker 2: to start with, which is ranking NBA player.

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Speaker 3: So Steph Curry was.

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Speaker 2: Asked by Gilbert Arenas who the greatest point guard of

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Speaker 2: all time is, and he understandably immediately said me himself,

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Speaker 2: he did ninety second tribute to Magic Johnson, it was

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Speaker 2: because he says me, He says, Steph's the best, and

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Speaker 2: there it seems like he's being disrespectful. He is not,

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Speaker 2: present it is not particularly close. I say at present

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Speaker 2: But I believe that is currently written in stone. I

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Speaker 4: That wait, see it.

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Speaker 2: Whenever we are talking about like, all right, Jordan's you're two,

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Speaker 3: All right, So where that Steph thing comes up to

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Speaker 3: me is that now that we are in an era

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Speaker 3: lot better. Right like the game as it currently exists,

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Speaker 3: it can be hard in your mind to think about

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Speaker 3: how you put Magic into it, and you think about

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Speaker 3: as better player on that team. Here's the why I

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Speaker 3: triple double. I want to say in year two, which

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Speaker 3: they went to the finals nine times in twelve years.

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Speaker 3: And after not playing basketball for five years, Magic came

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Speaker 2: A fifteen six and seven is Listen, he missed four

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Speaker 2: first game back, I've got it right here. Uh my apologies.

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Speaker 2: I do. First game back, he goes nineteen eight and ten.

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Speaker 3: So Magics.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. If you brought up the beginning

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Speaker 2: that way because it was HIV. But Magic played twelve

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent of Magic seasons he was first team

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Speaker 2: as great as Steph is. Step has been first Team

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Speaker 2: voting three times. Like there is there is a level,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that Magic the last game he played

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Speaker 2: pre HIV was the finals against Jordan. It's not now.

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Speaker 2: Was he still peak apex Magic? No, but he was

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Speaker 2: two years removed from an MVP, one year, one year

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Speaker 2: removed from the league MVP correct, and had just led

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Speaker 2: still going as a top five player in the league league.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Magic gets a little overlooked, or I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say overlook because he's Magic Johnson, but

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Speaker 2: I do. I am now starting to get to the

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Speaker 2: age where and this happens with a Keeme a lot too,

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Speaker 2: where people act as if a Keem's career started in

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Speaker 2: Now he was still the best player in the league

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Speaker 2: those years. But like a Keeme in year two is

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Speaker 2: the eighties stuff gets glossed over. So I think Magic's

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Speaker 2: the best ever? What do you do? You think there

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Speaker 2: is a path for Steph in your mind becoming the

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Speaker 3: I mean the path would be if Steph Curry winds

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Speaker 3: up with five championships like Magic Johnson had five championships, right, Sure,

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden we're had being a bit

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I think is lost though about Elijah

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Speaker 3: with Magic in those in the late eighties early nineties,

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Speaker 3: to be in Houston. Magic. The eighty nine, ninety and

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Speaker 3: ninety one teams are all on Magic's back.

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Speaker 3: You go look at that ninety one roster that lost

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Speaker 2: Well and so, there's and so, and there's two other points.

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Speaker 2: That one is eighty nine. They're going for the three peat,

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Speaker 2: Detroit ends up running away with it. In ninety Kareem

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Speaker 2: has back to back forty point playoff games, which again

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Speaker 2: validates the idea that if he had to fully carry

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Speaker 2: which is also in a weird way, that run, even

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Speaker 2: though he didn't have a championship, was similar to Steph's

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Speaker 2: last championship, a validation of an already unimpeachably great career

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Speaker 2: of Oh. When the circumstances changed dramatically, you can even

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Speaker 2: up your game or change your game. Where I think

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Speaker 2: this should be stated is I would have told you

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Speaker 2: three years ago this will never be a discussion. And

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Speaker 2: the fact that Steph extended the prime poster urrant, what

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Speaker 2: he did in the playoffs in the championship run two

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Speaker 2: years ago, and honestly what he did in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: last year with a broken team that was not a

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Speaker 2: very good team, the fifty point game seven, all of

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Speaker 2: it to me, it has put Steph at the very

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Speaker 2: least in that top ten conversation, and it makes the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the magic thing that I think gets lost,

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Speaker 3: Neither of them have all the money they got, neither

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Speaker 2: The year Harden and Maury came together is actually same

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Speaker 3: And he's nearly made a billion dollars Yes, between basketball

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Speaker 3: I think he knew. Okay, this is somewhat informed, not

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Speaker 3: just because that's the nature of things, right. He wouldn't

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Speaker 3: And everybody knows that Darryl Moury is not getting beat

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Speaker 4: And here we are, here we are.

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Speaker 3: They both thought the other would not be the person

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Speaker 2: So so much of this is fascinating to me. I

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Speaker 2: So I and he has events there, him torching Maury

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Speaker 2: Then there is what is he saying you lied about?

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Speaker 2: I do not believe Daryl, and the NBA doesn't believe it.

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Speaker 3: If he wanted the money, he could have stayed in Houston,

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Speaker 3: Right, James Harden would be one of the greatest players

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Speaker 3: James knows his number one weapon in negotiation is paining.

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00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: I got to make these people feel pain in order

436
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 3: to get what I want. So if i'm Darryl, I'm like, no,

437
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: I'm probably still gonna give this to you. Because in

438
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 3: the end, if they had given it to him, I

439
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: think James would have taken it because James wants to

440
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: win and James was not gonna go to what that

441
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: clown show was looking like at the time in Houston.

442
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: That's my thought on it. But somewhere along the way,

443
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Speaker 3: after he gave back the money and everything else, whether

444
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: Darryl Morey was gonna get a good deal on that

445
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: trade and not, you had to take care of the dude.

446
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: Man, Well, here's.

447
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: The thing, and it's your guy. I think that's the

448
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 4: other part too, It is your guy.

449
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: It is your guy. But also that, I mean what

450
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: I would argue, I would argue that Harden over the

451
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: last week has mishandled this immense Yes, do you think

452
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: Damian Lillard is gonna be on the Blazers this year? Yes,

453
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: oh okay, all right, Well I wasn't even trying to

454
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Speaker 2: have a Dame conversation. I don't. But the reason I

455
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: bring it up is he hasn't been traded yet, and

456
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Speaker 2: I think that it is fair, even if you disagree,

457
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people think, but he will be at

458
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: some point.

459
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think at some point he'll be traded,

460
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: but I think he'll be a Blazer.

461
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, oh you think you'll start a Blazer and then

462
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: be traded. So that's kind of my point, is Harden

463
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: to me those comments, Harden, if you're gonna if you're

464
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: gonna play that card, you almost gotta play it either

465
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: days before the season starts or days before the deadline.

466
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: But pulling that parachute when there is still plint where

467
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: in August seems premature and seems hasty. I also think

468
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: that what is undeniable is this if hardens right now,

469
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: biggest upset is about the money. Does anybody think what

470
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: he is doing right here is going to lead to

471
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: more money? Or is this so the reason I thought

472
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: he wanted the Clippers. Here's my theory. It was not

473
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, and it was not about ability to win.

474
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: It was about if he were traded to the Clippers,

475
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: they would be able to max him and them moving

476
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: into a new arena with the uncertainty of Kawhi and

477
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: Paul George, with that owner, that's one of the only

478
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: people that would max him. But they can't if he's

479
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: a free agent. He has to already have been on

480
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: the team. So I think all of this was for

481
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: James's purposes about how do I get I didn't take

482
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: the extension in Houston, I didn't take the extension in Brooklyn.

483
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: I dropped my salary fourteen million last offseason. We're now

484
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: we're now up to maybe almost one hundred and fifty

485
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: million dollars left on the table. And I think you

486
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: saw the real anxiety in that by him picking up

487
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: this option rather than just being a free agent. But

488
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, if he if they don't

489
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: trade him and he dogs it, I think I think

490
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Speaker 2: he could be looking at less than twenty million on

491
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Speaker 2: a contract see that for one year.

492
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. And I might have been inclined

493
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Speaker 3: to agree with you if I didn't just see somebody

494
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: give Kyrie Irving forty some million dollars a year for

495
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 3: three years. That with the deal yeah Z plus yes, with.

496
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: The player option on the The plus one is not team,

497
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: it's player yes. But that team had to keep him

498
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: because they couldn't let they had traded for him and

499
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: they couldn't, you know, risk him walking out for nothing.

500
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: And then Luca, which is what's so interesting about the

501
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: Kyrie Harden thing is those are big stories. But the

502
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: bigger story is what that domino will impact Luca and

503
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: Embiid and whether or not those guys, either one of

504
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: them is gonna say I'm sick of this the So

505
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: where do you think the hardened thing lands? And then

506
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: we'll wrap this part up.

507
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: So it's when you mentioned that about Embiid, I wanted

508
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: to get to that because that, to me is totally

509
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: where this gets to be fun. Right. I think with

510
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: healthy James Harden, healthy Kawhi Leonard whatever that is anymore right,

511
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: and healthy Paul George, maybe the best team in the

512
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: NBA in terms of your chances of winning a championship.

513
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: And it's great for Hardon because Harden's problem, as we

514
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: talked about pressing at the end, right, you ain't got

515
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: to do.

516
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: That, Kawhile take care of it. If he's playing, you've.

517
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: Got maybe the best big game player in the NBA.

518
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard has a case for being the best big

519
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: game player in the NBA. Paul George's your number two,

520
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: and James Harden gets to be point guard, which, by

521
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: the way, he's willing to do the problem with the Sixers,

522
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: And this is where if I'm Darryl, I might play

523
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: this a little different. You've got your chance to tear

524
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: this whole thing down because I am now convinced that

525
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: the ceiling on that team is the second round. And

526
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: I've convinced the ceiling on that team is the second

527
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 3: round because I don't think you can win with Joell,

528
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: and I don't think you can win with Harden. The

529
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: thing with Joell, to people loose sight of, he puts

530
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: those big numbers up in the regular season because he's

531
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: using thirty eight percent of the possessions. In the playoffs,

532
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: he only uses twenty eight percent of the possessions, or I

533
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 3: think that's what it was last year. He can't be

534
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: the same dude. And if he can't beat that dude,

535
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 3: he can't carry you. And if he can't carry you.

536
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: That team's not good enough to win. Hardon is not

537
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: the guy that could be your number two and then

538
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: you win. Tobias Harris is your number three. It's now

539
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: time to tear this thing down to the screws, and

540
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: they could do that.

541
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: If Joel Embiid.

542
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: Gets up and says I'm sick of this, and I

543
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: feel fairly confident he is infect sick of.

544
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: It, well, I mean he certainly. Listen. It's hard to

545
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 2: take anything Joel does on social seriously because he literally

546
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: calls himself Troelle lebid so he wants but it if listen,

547
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: Embiid's got aware the fact that his playoff resume is

548
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: not impressive. Now, he has had some bad luck. He's

549
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: been injured. He gets elbowed in the face, breaks his face,

550
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: his knees hurt. He's had a lot of injuries. But

551
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: he is a guy that for his career averages damn

552
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: near thirty and in the playoffs averages around twenty three.

553
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: He is the only MVP in the history of the

554
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: league to not make Round three, the only one, the

555
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: only Yeah. The only MVPs to not make a finals

556
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: are him, Nash and Derek Rose and there might be

557
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: one other from a long time ago, but I don't.

558
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: I think that's it. I did this the other day,

559
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: but he's never been made around three, which is wild

560
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: when you know, Oh, the other one was Jokic, but

561
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: Jokic obviously then made the finals. Your guy, those stats

562
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: you're hating, that's right, by the way, it should be

563
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: noted that, but I was one of the only people

564
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: to be a multiple time guest on UH game theory

565
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: is that correct?

566
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: One time you and Steven A.

567
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Smith are the only multiple Yeah, and and one time

568
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: was like a social only thing, and one time was

569
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: on uh TV or maybe I do. It doesn't matter,

570
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: but uh Bamani and I had a lot of really

571
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: loud I was more loud than him arguments about Jokic,

572
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: and if you go back and watch them, Bomani ended

573
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: up being right on all heavily unfortunate, asked me, is Steph?

574
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: I got terrified to say bad things about Steph.

575
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: It's really unfortunate. Oh, speaking of step it's so funny.

576
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: Uh So the Quarterback documentary comes out and pee, I haven't.

577
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: People text me, They're like, you're in the first episode,

578
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: You're all over it. I'm like, this is great for me.

579
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks comes out and people are like, you're in

580
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: the first your Guys shows in the first episode the Jets,

581
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's awesome. Steph's documentary comes out, people text me,

582
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: They're like, you're in the final episode. I'm like, that

583
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: is a disaster. I was like, there's no chance that's good.

584
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: I was like, the Mahomes thing, that's gonna be good.

585
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: Me being hesitant about the Jets, I think that plays.

586
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: But if I'm in the the culmination of the Steph

587
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: Curry doc it's not because I'm like, the guy's amazing.

588
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: You know, my god, Dominy Fotsworth who got on TV

589
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: it did the the No Board Championships day and Steph

590
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: did that at the victory parade and everything else so good.

591
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm so like, I have not seen Stephan years. I'm

592
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: terrified of what will happen when I see him because

593
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: he doesn't forget anything. And I mean, I was right

594
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: until I was wrong. Fans how you feel about yok

595
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: you were right until he.

596
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Was wrong, right until I was wrong. And by the way,

597
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: I listen the the here's what I will say about

598
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: the Yolks thing, and then we quickly move on. I

599
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: do not tend to get bothered by things written about

600
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: me or YouTube videos made about me or social media.

601
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: Stuff assful all the time.

602
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you just gotta at some point you gotta decide,

603
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: am I gonna allow this to occupy all my waking

604
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: moments or just now. The downside to just being like

605
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ignore it is, as has happened over the

606
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: last few months with a lot of the speculation about

607
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: shows on FS one, is there a lot of flatly

608
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: not only like kind of incorrect, but just like Marktaly

609
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: wrong things written. You've dealt with this in a much

610
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: more toxic extent. And the question the problem is if

611
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: you once you respond to one, not responding in the

612
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: future feels like it is an admission. So it's like,

613
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: do I want to open the doors to responding to

614
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: any of it because then I am almost required to

615
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: respond to all of it, or am I just gonna

616
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: let this bullet you know what I mean, float out

617
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: there and ignore it. The reason I said all this

618
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: with the yoga something, I'll let you respond to that.

619
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: The only thing that bothers me like that I shouldn't say.

620
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: The only thing that bothers with me. The thing that

621
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: really bothers me is when people take things that I

622
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: did say and video that does exist about Yokic from

623
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: two years ago. Right, And it's fine if they say

624
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: this is where Nick thought, but then cut the video

625
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: and tweet out even after he won the title. Nick

626
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: Wright won't give yo Ki Chenny love, and I'm.

627
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: Like, I'm in my house doing that. It's coviing. How

628
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: do you think I said this after he won the championship?

629
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: That does bh?

630
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: No, No, you showed up like It's kind of like

631
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: with me and Josh Allen the day I looked up

632
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: and realized I'm not gonna fight this anymore.

633
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 4: Credit to you.

634
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: You still got yeah, you still gottaving.

635
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: It like I was.

636
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: I'm ready to come back exactly, I'm ready to come

637
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: back around, but I needed a break, you know what

638
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But you're one hundred percent correct that you

639
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: say these things like the old takes exposed guy who

640
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: I like generally as person, right, but I had to

641
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: get on him at one point where I'm like, look, man,

642
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: you pulling this tweet from Dabo's swingy and O nine

643
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: when we all thought that he's stunk and then coming

644
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: back after a miraculous turnaround and be like, oh, look

645
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: at all these guys who thought Dabbo couldn't coach. You mean,

646
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: every single person on earth right in that moment. All right,

647
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: last one on basketball.

648
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: And we'll get to the NFL. We'll do this very quickly.

649
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Edward's ceiling.

650
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Speaker 3: You know what this ceiling gives me that even a

651
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Speaker 3: basketball Sealy finally a player to love. Oh and this

652
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: is what I was hanging out with my man, uh

653
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Speaker 3: Trey Vaughn used to be black Tray on Twitter, a

654
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: f the athletic and my brother and we were talking

655
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Speaker 3: about I was watching online.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the.

657
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Speaker 3: Clip of the first game of Adrian Dantley coming back

658
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Speaker 3: against the Pistons after Isaiah got him traded or he

659
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: believed Isaiah got him traded.

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Speaker 2: Oh, when he was trade from merky wire. You know

661
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So they go around right his pregame and is

663
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: the DAP and it's a big deal because Ziah Thomas

664
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Speaker 3: has comeing, Andrew Danely has coming back, and so Isaiah

665
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: comes to get the DAP to h Dantley and Dany

666
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Speaker 3: gets him and then pulls me okay, and keep it

667
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: in mind that Dante is like eight years older than Isaiah,

668
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: pulls them in and gets in his ear, and it's just.

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

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00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: And you see Isaiah trying to laugh it up and

671
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Speaker 3: walk away, and Dantly grabs his hand and pulls him

672
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Speaker 3: back Oka and keeps going. It had Isaiah so thrown

673
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: off he shot an air ball in the first shoted game.

674
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: Now Isaiah came back and shot thirty. But I say

675
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: that to say there was the time where this gang

676
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: was much more human and much more personal, and it

677
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: felt like people were playing as opposed to like statistical

678
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: avatars or these guys that we built up since there

679
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: were children to be wage earners. Like it was like

680
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: watching people play at the playground. It had that sort

681
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: of like visceral emotion. Anthony Edwards is the most real

682
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Speaker 3: human being I feel like I've seen be a star

683
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: basketball player in such a long time. And I was

684
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: watching that game on Sunday because I was on the

685
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: follow with my man Vite Goodwill, and he's like, Yo,

686
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: you might want to turn on this Anthony everys thing.

687
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was on TV, and I'm

688
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: looking at him and the way he's doing it is like, oh,

689
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: this is personal to him. This matters to him, not

690
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: even as personal in the sense that Germany did something

691
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: to me, but there's a level at which he cares

692
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Speaker 3: that his throwback and the way that he carries himself

693
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: and does all these things that his throwback. And so

694
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Speaker 3: he's what twenty two years old mature in a way

695
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 3: that he doesn't get nearly enough credit for it because

696
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: he got to carry old Carl around because they all

697
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: can't get this job.

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Speaker 2: Good actor too, he's got going for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, once they get Carl out of town, I

700
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Speaker 3: think the sky's the limit.

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Speaker 2: All right. So here's your your paal someone I don't

702
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Speaker 2: know but I follow on Twitter, Miles Brown. Yes he's

703
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Speaker 2: a Timberwolves fan. He lives there. Yes, he lives in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: He made the accurate point, which is, it is truly

705
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: a shame that Minnesota made the mistake so many. We

706
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: saw the Hornets make it with Anthony Davis, we saw

707
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: the MAVs make it twice now with Luca. We saw

708
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Speaker 2: the Calves make it with Lebron. You wish someone would

709
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: learn from it, which is you get, you get this

710
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: great young player, and because he's so good so early,

711
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: you get overly excited and try to microwave everything. Because

712
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: if right now Minnesota simply had all the assets from

713
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Speaker 2: the go Bet trade, so you have Kesler, Walker Kessler,

714
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Speaker 2: you have those four first round picks, you have all

715
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Speaker 2: of that, and then Carl Towns as a trade chip,

716
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Speaker 2: plus all those things. We would be saying, oh, they

717
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: could get Embeid, they could get they would have sut.

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00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Instead they went all in on the go Bear piece.

719
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Speaker 2: Now you still can trade Carl Towns, but you're instead

720
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: of limitless optimism about what they could become, it is

721
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Speaker 2: cap to a degree. I don't hate go Beart's fit

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Speaker 2: with Anthony Edwards. I don't. I don't love his fit

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Speaker 2: with Carl Towns, and I don't like Honestly, I don't

724
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Speaker 2: like much of Carl Town's the basketball player like. I

725
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: just don't the I think a lot of it's empty calories.

726
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Speaker 2: And I think some of his comments this summer have

727
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: just been so wildly delusional that I'm like, oh, I

728
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: don't know if I could trust him to know what

729
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, what you need to have a real winning team.

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Speaker 2: But Andy Edwards is thrilling. And the point that I've

731
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Speaker 2: made to you privately and maybe publicly I don't know,

732
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Speaker 2: is the spot for best American player is wide open.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, it's it's him. It's I think it's

734
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: gonna he's top two.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I don't think it's him yet

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00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: because Tatum obviously is there. But it looked like that

737
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: was what Nike was betting on. JA. Yes, they had

738
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: Jah and Zion like one of them is gonna be it.

739
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: Zion will see, Jah will see. Tatum is to me

740
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: a great player that we know. I think Tatum's, you know,

741
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: destined to be a consistent all NBA great player that

742
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: will never be the best player in the league. You know,

743
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Speaker 2: that's just my opinion, but that best American born player,

744
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: because the best player, your list of the best player

745
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: is probably gonna have four or five foreign guys on

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Speaker 2: it before you get to the best American. But Anthony

747
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: Edwards could snatch that title and with that charisma, And

748
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Speaker 2: again I don't want to sound like jingoistic, but there

749
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: is something too being the best American that there is

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Speaker 2: some marketing to it that is available that isn't typically

751
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Speaker 2: available to the international players. He is making a strong

752
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Speaker 2: case for.

753
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Speaker 3: But this is where I talk about that human part

754
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: about Edwards. If Jason Tatum was wired like Anthony Edwards

755
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: is wired, Jason Tatum would be the best player in

756
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Speaker 3: the NBA.

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Speaker 2: That might be right.

758
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters to him in the same way.

759
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: And that's not to say he doesn't care or anything

760
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: like that. But the way that we watch those Celtics

761
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: and the way that we watch them fall apart, in

762
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: the way that he.

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Speaker 2: Just doesn't ever seem to play angry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right Like, there's not that

765
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: I can turn this thing on and make it happen

766
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Speaker 3: sort of thing. And that, to me is the thing

767
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: with Edwards. Now.

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Speaker 4: To me, where Minnesota messed up.

769
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: Part of it is obviously all they gave up for

770
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: the go Bear trade. They wanted to make a big,

771
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: splashy move when they got in there, and they decided

772
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: to let Carl And have to be careful when I

773
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: talk about him, because it's hard for me to be

774
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: honest and not sound really mean and I don't know

775
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 3: that guy.

776
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: The move was to get in immediately.

777
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Speaker 3: If you're Tim Connley, the new GM part owner, all

778
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: of that stuff and.

779
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: Get Carl out of there.

780
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: Like at some point you got to look up and realize, yes,

781
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: he's really tall and he can shoot threes. But the

782
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 3: fact that he brags about being the best shooting big

783
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: man of all time, that's like saying, ain't no accounting

784
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: that can dance like me. I'm sure that's really good

785
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: at the Christmas party and everybody likes it. But I

786
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: just got audited, right, Like they just they come in

787
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: and they taking my cars, and you're supposed to stop

788
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: there from taking the cars. And people take cars all

789
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 3: the time, right that that was the move they needed

790
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: to make, was to get him out of there. But

791
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: now they made the trade with Gobert, which completely changed

792
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: the trade market, and now you can't trade a player

793
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: like Carl Towns unless you get like eight first round

794
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: pick because everybody thinks that you got got.

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Speaker 2: The correct and so the but the bright side is

796
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Speaker 2: if you're a Timberwolves fan, who I believe they have won,

797
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: they have one season that they want to play off

798
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: series team's history the conference finals, Ron Cassell KG obviously

799
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: and Spree well, so they've won two playoff series in

800
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: their franchise history. You have Anthony Edwards, which will be

801
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: wildly exciting. All right, Jonathan Taylor's trade some Bamani and

802
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: I being the only people in the world that seem

803
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: to find the Trey Lance situation as absurd as actually is.

804
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Speaker 2: And I would argue, and this might surprise some of

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00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: some folks, I would argue that there are not five

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00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: people in the world that know more about college football

807
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: than Bomani Jones. And I don't think anybody. I shouldn't

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00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: say anybody. I think the casual sports media viewer doesn't

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00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: associate you with college football. I want to talk to

810
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: you about the only college football player that matters to

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Speaker 2: me this year. We will do all of that next

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in episode one seventy two. What's

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Speaker 2: right with think great Bomani Jones in today, bo thank

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Speaker 2: you for being here with us, by the way, in

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Speaker 2: the C block. Willing answer your listener questions. Uh, if

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Speaker 2: you guys want to ask, since you know, questions directly

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Speaker 2: to Bomani, if you feel free to that. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to be necessarily just.

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Speaker 3: Sitting you guys, because I still call them all listeners

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Speaker 3: sitting here on YouTube whatever it is. They're all listeners.

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Speaker 2: To me, that's true. And the people who are just

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Speaker 2: listeners on the podcast, they are listening to it after

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Speaker 2: we do it and literally cannot participate in the YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Yet everyone that could respond to that listener inquiry, our viewers,

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Speaker 2: you are correct on that. All right, we did forty

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Speaker 2: minutes on the NBA. There Now to the NFL. Jonathan Taylor,

836
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: the Colts have now said he can seek out a trade.

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Speaker 2: Just got to find a team that's willing to give

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Speaker 2: them a first round pick. It is I think going

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Speaker 2: to be an impossible standard. Yes, I also think the

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00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: cult are saying, we don't value, we don't look at

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Speaker 2: you as a prime asset, but we are demanding a

842
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: prime asset in return for you, which seems incongruous. I

843
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: also think that teams are there are certain teams that

844
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: should never invest heavily in a running back. I think

845
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 2: the I think one of the few miss significant mistakes

846
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: the Chiefs have made under Brettviach was the first round

847
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: pick on Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Now. I liked it at

848
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: the time, I was excited about it, but you look

849
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: back and you're like, could have you know that for

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00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: a team like that, the position is fungible and you

851
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: can find a check on the seventh round, whatever it is.

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00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: I also think there are certain teams whose best and

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00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: most respected player in the locker room happens to be

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00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: a running back, and treating that player like he is

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00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: just a cog in the wheel has obvious, clear downstream

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Speaker 2: effects on your ability to change a culture. Have your

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00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: players buy in all of it. I thought the Giants

858
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: were playing a very risky game with Saquon. He is

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Speaker 2: the universally respected best player on the team, one of

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00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: the longest tenured guys, and you're just telling him basically

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Speaker 2: at bleep you figure it out. Now. He ended up

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Speaker 2: accepting the money, So maybe it's okay if I am

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Speaker 2: the Colts and I have drafted one of the raws

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Speaker 2: quarterback prospects in the last decade with the fourth overall

865
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: pick in your is it not worth it to slightly

866
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: overpay for Jonathan Taylor? So A, Anthony Richardson as Jonathan Taylor,

867
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: and the ball off to and so B. You can

868
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: go into this season all pushing in one direction, trying

869
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: to build something for this young quarterback, even if in

870
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: two years that's a bad contract for Jonathan Taylor.

871
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: That's how I would view it in.

872
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: This specific situation. How do you view it? Well?

873
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: I think the Colts also need to think about it

874
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: like this. Saquon Barkley seemed to be just a little

875
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: bit offended by the way that it was all going.

876
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor is hot, yes, like he is furious, Like

877
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: they needed if.

878
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 4: Your playing was yo, you're gonna come back.

879
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: You needed to do something with this because what I

880
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: think people lose sight over Jonathan Taylor. This will sound

881
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: crazy to people. Jonathan Taylor might be the most underrated

882
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: football player of his generation. Okay, and this is what

883
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean. Jonathan Taylor was at Wisconsin for three years

884
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: and ran for.

885
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 4: Six thousand yards.

886
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty good.

887
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: Never even got to be a Heisman Trophy finalist. Like

888
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: never was on that level. There was a time where

889
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor would have walked into the NFL as one

890
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: of the most famous people in America just on the

891
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: strength of being such a great college football running back,

892
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 3: like two thousand yards with some wild stuff.

893
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: He did that two times.

894
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: And overall has six thousand yards. He feels slighted at

895
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: every turn, if I had to guess, And apparently he

896
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: got an agent that put battery in his back. Has

897
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: got them all charged up about this. But I think

898
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: you're right if you're the Colts, especially since you're dealing

899
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: with a rookie quarterback that's not throwing the budget up

900
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: that high, except that you have the money right ahead

901
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: to do this. You remember, because you were heavily involved

902
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: in the story. But Adrian Peterson got in trouble with

903
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: the situation with his son. The Vikings were still like, oh, well,

904
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: when he comes back, we're gonna keep him because he's

905
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: our guy, and we built this around him. And he's

906
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: taking two U or something carries a year, and you

907
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: got to tell everybody else here, we will reward you

908
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: for making this sort of contribution. If I'm the cult

909
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 3: and by the way, if it works with Anthony Richardson,

910
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: well that I.

911
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: Love that pick, because if you're in the AFC, you

912
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: have to shoot the moon at quarterback. And I don't

913
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: Bryce Young. I just I don't believe because of the size.

914
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: I just he's just going out herene at the minimum.

915
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: C J. Stroud I think has very very low chance

916
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: of being great. Right, not saying he's not gonna be fine,

917
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: but in the AFC, fine gets you nowhere, be fine

918
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: and be the twelfth best quarterback in the conference. But

919
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson could be awesome.

920
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna play him this year, and I

921
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: don't see any way in the world he is ready

922
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: to play NFL four, you have to have it that

923
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: you gotta have Taylor and by.

924
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: The way, both said the thing about Jonathan Taylor's college stats.

925
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: His freshman year, he had nineteen hundred and seven twenty

926
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: seven rushing yards, his sophomore year he had twenty one

927
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: ninety four, and his junior year at two thousand and three.

928
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

929
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: He had sixty one seventy four and three years. You

930
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: still remember ron Daan to this day.

931
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and ron Daane got famous off a freshman year

932
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: like that that stayed around and to win at the

933
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: same college.

934
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Melvin Gordon was a little more

935
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: like well known at the same time.

936
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: Melvin Gordon, who should have won the Heisman that year

937
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: at least, was this runner up for the Heisman that year.

938
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: All right, so let me let's go to the trade

939
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: market just for a moment, because with everything I just

940
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: said about running backs, here's the one thing that I

941
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: think people have slightly wrong about this story. When they're like, well,

942
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: he definitely won't be traded, because no one's gonna give

943
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: up a premium draft pick just to have the privilege

944
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: of having to give him the contract. I would argue,

945
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: if you trade for him, you don't have to give

946
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: him the contract because I think you, Jonathan Taylor can

947
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: play this card, which is a totally fair and legitimate

948
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: card to play. I've done all this for you at

949
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: the Colts. You guys have undervalued me. You're not extending me.

950
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: I'm not playing you know or not that he said

951
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 2: he's not playing, but this kind of soft hold out thing,

952
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: I think that's legitimate if he is traded. I do

953
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: not think he can go to the new place and

954
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: be like, I'm not playing unless you pay me. I

955
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: think the card can get you out of Indy, or

956
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: it can get you paid in Indy. I don't think

957
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: he has enough juice to have the card get him

958
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: out of Indy and a new contract somewhere else. So

959
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: if I am a team that is close, would I

960
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: trade a first round pick? Probably not what I consider

961
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: what I say. If I were the Buffalo Bills and

962
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: I know they've spent multiple second round picks on running backs,

963
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: they haven't seemed to hit. If I were the Cincinnati Bengals,

964
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: who I think Joe Mixon's on the wrong side. If

965
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: I were trying to think of a team in the

966
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: NFC that is arguably close, it's not. The Lions just

967
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: drafted running back. The Seahawks draft for running back. But

968
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 2: if I were in that close tier, would I say,

969
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: is it worth three million this year plus a running

970
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: back franchise tag next year for the second round pick

971
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: for Jonathan Taylor? I think it would be and I

972
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: think that wherever he goes, he's just gonna I don't

973
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: think he's going to get that contract extension, Like I

974
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: just think it's unfortunate, but I don't think he's gonna

975
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: have the leverage of the juice for it. And so

976
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: I think there are a handful of teams that should

977
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: be having meetings of is he worth a premium pick

978
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: because he is going to be cheap. I don't think

979
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: they got to give him the long term.

980
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you raise an interesting point when

981
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: you bring up Buffalo, because they have kept trying to

982
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: do this. Yes, with the James Cooks of the world,

983
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: Devin Singletary's and everything else. Look, man, a special running

984
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: back is a special running back. And going into the

985
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: draft this year, I understood everything that everybody was saying,

986
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: but I was terrified more than anything else. And I

987
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 3: don't have a rooting interest in this. I was terrified

988
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: just because it would be this scary if Philadelphia had

989
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: taken Bijon. I don't know how anybody ever would have

990
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: stopped him last year. They could have come out here,

991
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: run to vere, they could have run to bone, they

992
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: could have run to run and shoot. They could have

993
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: run anything that they had Bejar Robinson because Bejar Robinson

994
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: is that special. San Francisco didn't lose a game, as

995
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: I recall, after they got Christian.

996
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: Mcca lost the first game to the Chiefs. Thank you, okay,

997
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: but that once. Remember he was traded for like midweek

998
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: that week. They didn't lose a game with him until.

999
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 4: The end because he mattered. He was that special.

1000
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: Now, if you don't think Taylor is necessarily that special,

1001
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 3: because we're talking about these Swiss Army Knife guys. They

1002
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: could do Marshall Falk stuff, then maybe not. But a

1003
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: special running back still matters. You can replace certain running

1004
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 3: backs with the Isaiah Pachecos of the world and get

1005
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: in and do it functionally.

1006
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: But if you got a great one.

1007
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Tennessee Dereck Henry becomes another example.

1008
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: So one hundred percent. And what I the team that

1009
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: I think should call the Colts and say, hey, we

1010
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: spent the fifty second pick of the draft on running

1011
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 2: back Zach Charboney so people liked him. We will give

1012
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: you him and a fifth next year. You get to

1013
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: reset the clock on your running back salary. Still have

1014
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 2: a ready to go running back, We'll take Jonathan Taylor.

1015
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: If you're Seattle and you think in the NFC, if

1016
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: Gino can keep this up, that to me makes a

1017
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 2: lot of sense. Man Like, now, Seattle might say we've

1018
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: you know, because they drafted Kenneth Walker in the second

1019
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: round last year. They spent back to back second round

1020
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: picks on running backs. But that's why Seattle doesn't make

1021
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: sense trading a draft pick for him. But if you

1022
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: trade one of those guys as an asset for him,

1023
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: that to me is is worth discussing.

1024
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: Now.

1025
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: The flip side is if people think Jonathan Taylor, who

1026
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: was injured last year, you know what I mean, that

1027
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: he got used up at Wisconsin, had eighteen hundred yards

1028
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: in year two and now he's declining player. That's different.

1029
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: But if you think last year was the aberration, I

1030
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: still think he has real value, all right, the Trey

1031
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: Lance thing. So here's the deal. I want to shout out,

1032
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: you know Danny Parkins, Yes you don't, I think know

1033
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: Andrew Philippony. Andrew does radio in Pittsburgh. Danny is radio

1034
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: in Chicago. I went to college both of them, two

1035
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: of my best friends. They do a podcast called First

1036
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: In Pod. It's an NFL only podcast comes out twice

1037
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: a week people in addition subscribeing to the right time

1038
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: with Bilani Jones that if you're just now joining us,

1039
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: still exists and is coming to your podcast feed shortly.

1040
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: By shortly, I mean soon. Yeah. I just didn't want

1041
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: them to think it's coming out like the day after this,

1042
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: but very soon, coming shortly first in POD's a great

1043
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 2: NFL podcast. To their credit, they are two of only

1044
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 2: maybe five people and we or two of the other

1045
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: five that find the Trey Lance situation baffling and galling.

1046
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 2: And I want to make this very clear, I am

1047
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: not arguing that Trey Lance is awesome. I have no clue.

1048
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: I am stating the fact that the biggest quarterback busts

1049
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: ever all got three times, four times, five times the

1050
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: opportunity to show whether or not they could play JaMarcus Russell,

1051
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Zach Wilson. Trey Lance has started

1052
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: four games, one of them by the way, he broke

1053
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: his leg three plays in. Another one was in a monsoon.

1054
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: The week before he the San Francisco forty nine ers

1055
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: took a player who barely played D two college football,

1056
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: traded three first round picks for him, then after they

1057
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: got to an NFC championship game with their quarterback said

1058
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: you can't play for us anymore. We're locking you out

1059
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: of the building. Had Brock Purdy on the team said,

1060
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: Trey A. Lance is our unquestioned Week one starter. He

1061
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: played a game in the monsoon, played three plays in

1062
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: another game, broke his leg, and now they have said

1063
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: he is out, maybe not even the backup. And Brock Purdy,

1064
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: the final pick of the draft we passed on seven

1065
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: times for drafting him, is our unquestioned starter. It is

1066
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: coming off Tommy John come here right coming a guy

1067
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: who was physically limited coming into the NFL, coming off

1068
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: surgery on his throwing arm. He is our unquestioned starter.

1069
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: It is one of the most indefensible processes I've ever seen.

1070
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: And I cannot believe everyone is just pretending to believe. Oh, well,

1071
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: it's because brock Purdy's awesome. Brock Purty is not awesome.

1072
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't think it has been given

1073
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: enough attention. How they have mismanaged this situation.

1074
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: You go, yo, So the black quarterback level of this

1075
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: is the lack of patience. And I don't necessarily mean

1076
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: that from Shanahan. I mean from fans just.

1077
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: The hey, Lance stinks, You'll see them play like three games.

1078
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: Like, I am amazed at how certain they are that

1079
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: he stinks after seeing them play three games, and how

1080
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: certain they are that Purdy is awesome after seeing a seven.

1081
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: By the way, a similar sample size to which you

1082
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: had before you said Jimmy Garoppolo was awesome, before you

1083
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: ultimately understood that Jimmy Garoppolo was simply Jimmy Garoppolo.

1084
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: Right.

1085
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: That's the part for Lance that is frustrating in the discourse,

1086
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: is that just how quickly people are to dismiss him. Now,

1087
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: I watched some of them clips from the last game

1088
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: he played. He did look like red ass. I don't

1089
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 3: wuld to pretend is though I don't.

1090
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: I think it looks bad, but I don't think that's

1091
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: but I think that's almost independent of it.

1092
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: That's the secondary point, right. What confuses me about this

1093
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: They traded all those picks to get him, and I

1094
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: don't think that this is a sunk cost fallacy, right,

1095
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 3: because I get the argument that, well, you shouldn't lean

1096
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: in on him just because you traded all those picks

1097
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: for them. No, that is exactly why you should lean

1098
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: on him. Right what you decide we're gonna trade three

1099
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 3: first round picks to go get this guy. You're not

1100
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: saying and we're gonna see how this works out.

1101
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna make this work.

1102
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: We go show up every day, there's gonna be somebody

1103
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: with trade on the phone, going through the playbook, whatever

1104
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: it is. And maybe they're doing these things, but I've

1105
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: seen no investment from the team to make sure that

1106
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: this trade that, by the way, could cripple them for

1107
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: the next five years, just because of what they're not

1108
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: getting back in terms of personnel, the fact that they're

1109
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: not like, nah, baby, we're going to one way or

1110
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: another make this work. And to me, the first step

1111
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: in we're gonna make this work is you're the backup.

1112
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 3: Even if you decide brock Perty's our started this year,

1113
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: we're not intertaing this safe.

1114
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: Is the part to me that that made this an

1115
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: even bigger story was if they want to say brock

1116
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: Purdy earned it, we believe in him. We found it.

1117
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: And the absolute diamond in the rough, his elbow is

1118
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. He's the starter, so be it. We

1119
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: know what Sam Darnold is to not then say trade.

1120
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: Not only is Trey Lance our backup, He's gonna have

1121
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 2: a package. He's gonna have a package because he does

1122
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: things mobility wise perty can't do. So that to me

1123
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: is where I was like, this trains off the tracks.

1124
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: And here's the other part of it. Their quarterback evaluation

1125
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: process was by just the awt the historical record. We

1126
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: love this player so much, we're trading three first round

1127
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: picks to get him. We see him for one year

1128
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: in our building, in our practice, in our camp. We

1129
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: believe in him enough. We are telling Jimmy Garoppolo, you can't.

1130
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: Your keys to the building are revoked. Try to trade

1131
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: you to Washington. You have a surprise surgery. So we can't,

1132
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: but we wanted to. He's our guy, he is our

1133
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: week one starter. He then breaks his leg and is

1134
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: not able to play for months. So he went from

1135
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: deposing Garoppolo week one unquestioned starter, two potential third string

1136
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: in OTAs when was it? It wasn't. It's not like,

1137
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: oh he had terrible practices. The guy wasn't practicing. The

1138
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: guy had a broken leg last year. He wasn't practicing.

1139
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: None of it. And the trade part of it is

1140
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: that I the Niners when they did it. I believe

1141
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: the thought process was, with the Shanahan system, we can

1142
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: be pretty damn good with just see le pardon me

1143
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: sea level quarterbacking. If we were to get a level quarterbacking,

1144
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: we will be the best team in the league by far.

1145
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, I agree with that. Yeah, I

1146
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: think the Niners with that roster and that offense and

1147
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: that defense, now the defensive brain drain of losing solid

1148
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: and losing Demico will see all it works. That team,

1149
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: if they had a difference maker a quarterback, would be

1150
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: the best team in football, better than the Chiefs. So

1151
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: I get why they tried to do it. But if

1152
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: now they were pivoting back to just anybody is plug

1153
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: and play, then do you know who was drafted with

1154
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: the first first round pick San Francisco traded away for

1155
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: Trey Lance Because I'm looking at it right.

1156
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: Now, all right, So they made I can't even remember

1157
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: who they made the trade with.

1158
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: Well, it was it was like the It was Miami,

1159
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: but it was like a three. It was they had

1160
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: someone else's pick. Point is this they were drafting at

1161
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: number twelve? Okay, I'm just going to tell you who

1162
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: went how that top twelve of the draft went. It

1163
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: went Trevor Lawrence obvious, Zach Wilson, who everyone locked in

1164
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: stone immediately.

1165
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: That was strange too.

1166
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 2: I knew that there was gonna be no discussion about

1167
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: the number one pick. They're like, obviously the number two pick,

1168
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, whatever. Number three, Trey Lance, okay, Number four

1169
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, who I still think could be awesome. Number

1170
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: five Jamar Chase, who unquestionably is awesome. Number six Jayleen Waddle,

1171
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: who is fantastic. Number seven pen A Sewel. Number eight

1172
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: j C. Horn guy popped his achilles hasn't worked out.

1173
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: Number nine patz Or Tan the second, who somebody thinks

1174
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: the best corner in football. Number ten Devonte Smith, Number

1175
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: eleven Justin Fields, who I think could have been dynamic

1176
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: in this offense if you wanted to trade up for

1177
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: three and draft him. And number twelve sitting there at

1178
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: the pick the Niners traded away is Micah Parsons. Micah

1179
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: Parsons and Nicky Bosa on that defense is what they

1180
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: traded away.

1181
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 3: Well, well with red Water by the way, right, oh yeah,

1182
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: with red Water with ours did But so think about

1183
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 3: this if you just wanted a.

1184
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 4: Plug and play quarterback.

1185
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: You could have stayed there and got.

1186
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: Corkle, yes correct, mac Jones exactly.

1187
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: They tricked us into thinking they were trading up to

1188
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: get Corkle, Yeah, exactly right.

1189
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: And the or you could have stayed there and if

1190
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: you wanted a dual threat, traded up a few spots

1191
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: and gotten justin Fields when you see he's not going

1192
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: top five. And then, by the way, they didn't have

1193
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: this is to your point, the twenty ninth pick of

1194
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: the draft the next year would have been theirs, and

1195
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: they didn't have that. Now that ended up being cold strange,

1196
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 2: but you we'll see. And then this year the draft

1197
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: pick they didn't have was what pick was that, I'll

1198
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: find it. It's from San Francisco, the twenty ninth pick again,

1199
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: so it's the twelfth pick, the twenty ninth pick, and

1200
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth pick for a guy you're not gonna

1201
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: who is getting less rope than any first forget people

1202
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: to drop about any top five quarterback, any the only

1203
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: first round quarterbacks to get this. It's the lest it's

1204
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: the least since Jim Drunken Miller and Andre Ware Yeah,

1205
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: and Andre Ware at least got years, but he's just

1206
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: never got on the field, never got an opportunity.

1207
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 3: But think about this, as we mentioned Sam Darnald here,

1208
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: you're telling me we saw Sam Darnald play here, right,

1209
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 3: we know what time it was, we know what time

1210
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: it wasn't but you're telling me that Sam Darnald still

1211
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: has a chance to get better and Trey Lance does not.

1212
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 3: And Sam Darnald, at his words, who got all the opportunities,

1213
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: simply did not look like an NFL quarterback. But people

1214
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: are still willing to bet on the idea of Sam

1215
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: Darnald as the backup.

1216
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 4: Here, then Trey.

1217
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: Lance at go ahead and a number.

1218
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: This is another big one, and this is Kyle Shanahan

1219
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: has to answer for this because he skated on it

1220
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: the last time. This will be the second time that

1221
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 3: you've had a top three quarterback and you broke them.

1222
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: And we blamed it the last time on the other guy.

1223
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 3: We blamed it on Andrewes Robert Griffin, right like we

1224
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: blamed it on injuries and everything else.

1225
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 4: But what was so wild about Griffin?

1226
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 3: By the time you got to year three, really and

1227
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: Shanahan was gone by him. But by the time you

1228
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: got to year three, he looked like he forgot how

1229
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 3: to do stuff that he knew how to do before

1230
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: correct And now I'm looking at Trey Lance and he

1231
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: looks utterly confounded in the preseason.

1232
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 4: So genius, man, what are you doing?

1233
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: Well, what I'm looking at with Trey Lance? And this

1234
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: is to me what matters is the guy played sixteen

1235
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: games as the starter at North Dakota State in twenty nineteen.

1236
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 2: He then played one game in twenty twenty, did not

1237
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: play in twenty twenty one for the nine. Well, no,

1238
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: that's not true. Played two games in twenty twenty one

1239
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: for the Niners, and a game and a couple snaps

1240
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. You drafted him knowing all these plays,

1241
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: he played almost no college football and was playing at

1242
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 2: the D two level. To not assume it was that

1243
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: he was going to need some game action. It's just

1244
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: baffling to me. All right, let's move on.

1245
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: But I was saying one last thing on that that's

1246
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 3: what happens when your boss didn't want you in the

1247
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 3: first place. I lived that like Shanahan didn't want But

1248
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: that's what That's exactly what I was about to say.

1249
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 3: But it doesn't make sense because Kyle Shanahan's completely in charge.

1250
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: You think he has more power than Lynch. Yeah, okay, yeah,

1251
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean he hired Lynch. Yeah that's fair. So the

1252
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: it's baffling. All right, I'm gonna skip the Aaron Rodgers

1253
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: thing because we've been going on so long. I just

1254
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: want to go to college football here quickly. So I

1255
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: did a quarterback pyramid, otherwise known as Mahomes Mountain, and

1256
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: people got very mad at me because I had at

1257
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: the top of Mahomes Mountain is shocking Ley Patrick Mahomes.

1258
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: The second level was Joe Burrow and the Prince who

1259
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: was promised Trevor Lawrence, and then on the third level

1260
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: was Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen and Sandwich. In between them

1261
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: was Caleb Williams. And people said, Nick is ridiculous. He's

1262
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: a college player. What are you doing. It's disrespectful. And

1263
01:05:54,800 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I think that. I watched Joe Burrow

1264
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: and I say, oh, I know who he reminds me of.

1265
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Tom Brady. I'm not saying he's

1266
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, but a lot of it reminds me of it.

1267
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: I watched Trevor and I say, oh, he reminds me

1268
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 2: of Peyton Manning. I'm not saying he's gonna be Peyton Manning.

1269
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: I watched Josh Allen and people get mad at this,

1270
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: but I stand by it. He reminds me of pre

1271
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: injury Dante Calpepper.

1272
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one.

1273
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: I go to a super high ceiling a little erectly.

1274
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 3: They have forgotten.

1275
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: People forgot how good Dante was. People think I'm being

1276
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: wildly disrespectful to him. Pre injury Dante Culpepper was unbelievable,

1277
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: a little erratic, all of it. I watched Caleb Williams

1278
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: and I say he reminds me of Patrick Mahomes. I'm

1279
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: not saying he is Patrick Mahomes. How good do you

1280
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: think Caleb Williams is?

1281
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: I think the ceiling is incredibly high. The trick bag,

1282
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: of course, is we've seen him Lincoln Riley. Dudes be

1283
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 3: so good in college and then somewhat mixed results in

1284
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: the NFL. But oh no, no, no, no, no no.

1285
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 3: You know back when I used to root for a

1286
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: Texas football a little bit, well.

1287
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: That's the first game of his career.

1288
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: Yes, that's that was exactly what I was about to say.

1289
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:05,479
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

1290
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 3: He just brought him off the bench and then it

1291
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, fellas, don't worry, we got this one.

1292
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: Twenty eight to seven Texas in the Red River shootout,

1293
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: Cale Williams comes in off the bench and they win

1294
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: the game, like fifty eight fifty five or something.

1295
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, no, this is that's the number one

1296
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 3: pick next year. I don't know who else it is that.

1297
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: You know, you could talk about Drake may or all

1298
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: these other dudes. No, no, no, no, no, that guy

1299
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: right there is the number one pick.

1300
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 4: And that guy is franchise player personality.

1301
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 3: It is all of those things like when I saw

1302
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: you put them on the pyramid like that, I'm like, oh, no,

1303
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: you're not wrong. Like they lost that Who did they play?

1304
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 3: Was it too lane that they lost that ball game too?

1305
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: They played the.

1306
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: Ball game against somebody they were supposed to play. Yeah,

1307
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: they lost, but it wasn't about him, No, And.

1308
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 2: They lost to Utah during the regular season. Then in

1309
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve championship game, he's injured and damn near

1310
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: leads him to a victory our. You know, fearless leader

1311
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: gave good ones here from La. He's a usc guy. Listen,

1312
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: I do not pretend to be a college football expert.

1313
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: What the here like? I try to just be always

1314
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: honest with the audience. There is there is a divide

1315
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 2: between the guys in our field married with kids and

1316
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 2: not yes, and the married with kids guy. The divide

1317
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: comes in during football season, which is essentially are you

1318
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: going to be? You have a choice. You can be

1319
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: an expert on the NFL and the NBA, I'm sorry,

1320
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: the NFL and college football and not really be married

1321
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,879
Speaker 2: that much you married, or you can be an expert

1322
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: on one of them and stay married. Yes, but the

1323
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: whole idea of hey, honey, from September through February, I

1324
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 2: am unavailable for twelve hours a day Saturday and Sunday.

1325
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna fly. And so I have sacrificed.

1326
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even say sacrifice. I just I am not

1327
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: locked in every you know, twelve hours college football. However,

1328
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: I obviously I try to, you know, I obviously watch it,

1329
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: and the West Coast games are the ones that are

1330
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: the easiest to watch because they're on late, and I

1331
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: watched the biggest games. So I remember watching the Red

1332
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: River shootout and that was was that one Spencer Rattler

1333
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: was their quarterback and he was supposed to be great,

1334
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: and they're getting rolled and I'm thinking of Boumani because

1335
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 2: I don't know why Bomani says he's not Texas fan anymore.

1336
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: His love Okay, So like the problem way it is

1337
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: when they do well, the problem is Blair through the speaker.

1338
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 2: All right, that's fair. It's a part I didn't realize.

1339
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: I thought it was more like a Atlanta Falcons thing

1340
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: with them. Because of that, this is on like you're

1341
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: a conscientious objectives. That's fair. Uh. But I remember watching

1342
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: that game and then seeing this kid come off the bench.

1343
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: I was like, he is unbelievable. And then he gets

1344
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: to USC and it's just so cle literally better than everybody.

1345
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: Do you think he can win back to back?

1346
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: Heisman's yes, it's just going to require USC to go

1347
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 3: something like eleven and one.

1348
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 2: Why can't they go twelve and H. I'm not saying

1349
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: that win the national championship. That's a different story. But

1350
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why they don't go twelve.

1351
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 3: And H because Lincoln Riley in defense, they're not necessarily

1352
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 3: the most complimentary concepts, right, Like that was what the

1353
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 3: hold up was last year was whether or not they

1354
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: could play enough defense. But in terms of being that guy,

1355
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 3: oh man, he is the best quarterback in USC history.

1356
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: I feel confidence saying that already. Oh wow, I mean

1357
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: you won't be able to think of somebody that's close

1358
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: like high sight on Matt Leer, who watch me hand

1359
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 3: the bal to Reggie Bush?

1360
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: Right?

1361
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: Look how good I am?

1362
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 2: All right? One other thing on him. I don't believe

1363
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: pro sports are rigged. I don't believe the fixes, and

1364
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: I think there's too much money. I think people that

1365
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: are like, oh, the games are rigged whatever understand really

1366
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: how gambling works. That I do believe this. The NFL

1367
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: needs to put their finger on the scale, get somebody

1368
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: of the NFC and make sure Caleb Williams is in

1369
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 2: the NFC because if the damn Raiders come out and

1370
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 2: he ends up in the AFC West or they have

1371
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 2: to do realignment, they have to do a quarterback based realignment.

1372
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: But they didn't do this for this reason. People forget

1373
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's rookie year when he wasn't playing. You know

1374
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: who won the AFC East that year, the Indianapolis Colts

1375
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: because they were in the division and the Colt and

1376
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: Patriots would have been in the same division forever, and

1377
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: then they did realignment. That's also one of my favorite

1378
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: stats is that the Indianapolis Cults have won the AFC

1379
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: East more recently than the New York Jets. Yes, well,

1380
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 2: even though they don't play in the AFCASTLE, Which is

1381
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: why sidebar to the take teams whose fans should be

1382
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: most excited about the next ten years. Number one draft

1383
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 2: pick the Kansadity Chiefs. Number two draft pick might be

1384
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals. They have they're gonna be terrible. They

1385
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: have their pick, the Texans pick. They also have whatever

1386
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 2: pick they get for trading Kyler after they draft Caleb. Yes,

1387
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: it's either gonna They're gonna go one in sixteen draft Caleb,

1388
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: have the Texans pick, which they might be able to

1389
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: use on Marvin Harrison Junior, and then trade Kyler for

1390
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 2: like the twelfth pick and do whatever they want. So

1391
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: all right, so we're on the same page there.

1392
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: But but this is what's funny about what you mentioned

1393
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 3: that though needing to go to the NFC, there's a

1394
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 3: counterpoint on this that since all those quarterbacks in the AFC,

1395
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 3: it makes it more likely that the terrible teams are

1396
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: going to.

1397
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 4: Be also for the AI because they player the murderers.

1398
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: It's endless cycle. They're gonna have to figure it out.

1399
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: All right, This this we I told them might just

1400
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: be an hour fifteen. Good.

1401
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 3: I ain't got no job.

1402
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we'll take a quick break. Answer your

1403
01:12:54,479 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: questions from YouTube next, what's right? All right, welcome back

1404
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 2: in We'll Driving the Right Episode one seventy two. Answering

1405
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 2: your viewer questions. Now, me and Bomani Jones. Anastasio's Marcapulos asked, Nick,

1406
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: what topic do you and Bamani most strongly disagree on?

1407
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 3: Sorry, now that this jokes thig has been settled.

1408
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: I think it's probably Luca. Now, I don't even think

1409
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: we disagree that much. Well, it was Jo Kitchen Bamani won.

1410
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 3: We only disagree so much just because you have already

1411
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 3: built a statue of him in Springfield, not simply a plaque,

1412
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: not simply a bust in spring Fields, four.

1413
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: Time first team all with the statue in front of

1414
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: the whole literally, he's literally party a Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1415
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 2: I think that's the second most all time playoff points

1416
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: per game. Seems goods He has as many First team

1417
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: All NBA's as Steph curt It's just us. I mean, yeah, no.

1418
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: That's it. We've got to the bottom of it. That's it.

1419
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: But I think he's a very good player. Like I

1420
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: have to be careful when I talk to you about

1421
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 3: him because I don't want it to go too far

1422
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: people misunderstanding. I'll tell you this, that's what I think

1423
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: about Luca. If you tell me, hey, one guy on

1424
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 3: a team and you ain't got nothing else. He's my

1425
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: number one draft pick.

1426
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: That's yeah. Yeah, I'd like to see him play with

1427
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 2: great players and see what he does. But we'll we

1428
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: don't have that's the answer. I don't want to.

1429
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 4: Actually, we'd had a white James Harden before.

1430
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, So I want to Here's the.

1431
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 2: Thing though, let me say this, James Harden's game works.

1432
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 2: The problem is he melts down in the playoffs. Luca

1433
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: gets better in the playoffs. So if you people are like, oh,

1434
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: it didn't work for James Harden because you weren't getting

1435
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: James Harden in the playoffs, Luke average is thirty two,

1436
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 2: nine and nine in the playoffs. All right. For Bomani,

1437
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: who's the biggest threat to USC And why is it Washington?

1438
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: That's from Jeremy Wayne Scott.

1439
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 4: I mean the answer why is Washington?

1440
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: Did?

1441
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 3: Is Michael Pennix?

1442
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: Right?

1443
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 3: Like like they they got the other like that quarterback

1444
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 3: guy that's up there. But as I don't pay that

1445
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 3: much attention to the pack for question mark, question mark,

1446
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: question mark, the pack no need to be like a

1447
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 3: slot machine joint.

1448
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 4: They just run all the time.

1449
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 3: Dan Lanning is keeping up what Chrystal Baul was doing

1450
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 3: and recruiting at Oregon, and I don't know how they

1451
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 3: keep getting players to go there like that Nike stuff

1452
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 3: just must be incredible.

1453
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 4: But that's where I look at.

1454
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 3: Then there's always Utah because Kyle Whittingham is quietly a

1455
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame coach.

1456
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: UH Devontae Mason says, who do you think wins the

1457
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: National championship this year?

1458
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: Georgia?

1459
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: Three P?

1460
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 4: Because why not?

1461
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 3: Like the only thing about Georgia is once again another

1462
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 3: quarterback with two last names, Carson Beck they like Holly

1463
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 3: edis the dispense. Always make this point if you if

1464
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 3: your first name can't be a last name, you can't

1465
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 3: play quarterback at Georgia. But I just can't figure out

1466
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 3: when somebody's got to explain this to me how exactly

1467
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 3: this happens, because there's nothing like they're doing anything schematically

1468
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 3: that's so far ahead of the rest of the world.

1469
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 3: They just keep rattling off boys in a way that

1470
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 3: even Alabama's not doing.

1471
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: Do you do you think those guys are going because

1472
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: Alabama the this one knock on Alabama. It's just the

1473
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: reality of it. They're great defensive players, didn't turn typically

1474
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: into great pros. Do you see something similar happening with Georgia? Yeah,

1475
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: I think that.

1476
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 3: I think that happens with just about everybody because great

1477
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 3: defensive players are really so difficult to get. But like

1478
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: by comparison, in the last we'll call it twenty years,

1479
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 3: Pitt has produced Aaron Donald and Duill Reeves, and I

1480
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 3: don't think you can say that about Alabama, like Sirtad

1481
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: is turning into that dude.

1482
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like.

1483
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: But it is very interesting though, when you look back

1484
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 3: at these college machines outside of Miami, when.

1485
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 4: You really look for, okay, so, who were the great pros,

1486
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 4: it doesn't really turn out that way.

1487
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 2: It's a death game, which is why I still think

1488
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: that either whether it was two thousand or two thousand

1489
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: and one, Miami is the greatest college team ever. I

1490
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 2: know it's actually not the greatest college team emver, but

1491
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: it was the greatest collection of talent of any team

1492
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: in college football history. Donnie Allen has a hot take

1493
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: that there's never been a great quarterback that's bald or

1494
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: Balding and Trey Lance's bolding. What are your thoughts? I

1495
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 2: gotta invest hit that I've never thought of it.

1496
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 3: I'm just going to make the point that that feels

1497
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 3: like it's more about than just quarterbacks, and that you're

1498
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 3: speaking on a whole like demographical people. Oh whoever, whoever?

1499
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 3: That was his name? What was his name? Davanta? He said,

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Speaker 3: Donnie is Donn Allen? Yeah, hold on, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think he meant Oh, okay, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: But MONI, is you at hair great out here in

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Speaker 3: these streets? You know what I'm saying. We out here,

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Speaker 3: we out here making things happen. Ain't been no, ain't

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Speaker 3: been no great quarterback. You know, it ain't been no

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Speaker 3: great quarterback. Honestly, it's because they spend so much time

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Speaker 3: keeping the black man out. And this is important because

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Speaker 3: The ultimate example of white privilege is the white man

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Speaker 3: ain't never got to cut his hair off just because

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Speaker 3: he bald and right, he can come out here looking

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Speaker 3: like uh, looking looking like a wizard or a genie

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Speaker 3: or some other shit. You always get to do that, man, brother,

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Speaker 3: always got to do that. And by the way, it's

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Speaker 3: not the white man's fault. It be your own people.

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Speaker 3: They the ones that wind up plying to you. But

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Speaker 3: as we start allowing for what black people to be

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Speaker 3: out here, you go wind up with more black ball

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Speaker 3: people because we can do this a little bit more easily.

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Speaker 3: And then you don't see damn it, he's trying to

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Speaker 3: say redheads is better than us, and it's only been

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Speaker 3: one of them. Soundy Jergens is the only one I

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Speaker 3: can think of.

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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton exactly today's show. We'll try to episode one

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Speaker 2: seventy two. Subscribe to the right time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 2: back on your RSS feed shortly. Bo I love you Sho.

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Speaker 3: This is, by the way, is why I don't need

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Speaker 3: to do a YouTube show, because they are like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you gotta acknowledge people's questions. That's how I acknowledge people's questions.

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Speaker 3: Right there, I'm not nice enough for real time feedback.

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Speaker 2: See you guys later.