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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day? Edith Steak

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Speaker 1: is that woo woof? And Dan and Tie welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the saliburbal boys and girls.

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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hill, no brandtat fine, gentlemen as

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Speaker 2: always over there, the one, the only, still, the incomparable.

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Speaker 2: Dan ruben Stein, Welcome back to another week.

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Speaker 1: Of college football chatter. Yeah, my friend, what gives? What's good?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's good? Everything? Because the sun came

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Speaker 1: out yesterday. Also, this is the time of year in

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Speaker 1: which people I know or kind of know ask me

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Speaker 1: things like, oh, this is is probably getting lighter for

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Speaker 1: you right after the season, things probably smoothing out. Nope,

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Speaker 1: not really recording college football shows anymore. And I say

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Speaker 1: to them, no, No, twice a year, three times for

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Speaker 1: our paid subscribers. We just keep going. There's always stuff

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Coaches are always moving, there's you know,

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Speaker 1: portal stuff, there's spring football, there's recruiting. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to new coaches or second year coaches or

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Speaker 1: first year coaches and evaluating how things went because there

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Speaker 1: are so many teams and so like you know, you're

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Speaker 1: really you're looking nose to tail at the sport over

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Speaker 1: the off season. There's always meet to pick at, there's

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Speaker 1: always harvesting to be done. So I say, you think so,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot in this sport, and so we

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Speaker 1: keep it going, We keep it going.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm playing this game in protest today. You just

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Speaker 2: want that before even explaining the game, you want it

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Speaker 2: to be known.

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Speaker 1: You want to plant your flag immediately.

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Speaker 2: I want I want people to know that I am

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Speaker 2: here against my will.

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Speaker 1: I love you like a brother. Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: I'm playing this one in protest because we had a

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Speaker 2: prime opportunity to structure the show around one of my

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Speaker 2: all time favorite dramas action shows, Mcgiver. We had a

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Speaker 2: great opportunity. It was there, it was on a silver place.

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Speaker 1: Came up with the concept.

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Speaker 2: I didn't, But you were the one who said mcguiver first, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then you had kind of an epiphany and you said,

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Speaker 2: how many people listening to this show were around when

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Speaker 2: mcguiver was actually running right.

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Speaker 1: Which made me feel worse.

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Speaker 2: Granted, I know they tried to reboot it but I

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Speaker 2: never miss an opportunity to do a podcast structured around

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Speaker 2: the life and times of Richard Dean Anderson. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: you said, now let's do Vanilla Ice instead. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 2: explain why, you'll explain why.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna take me a little bit to get over that. Here.

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Speaker 1: I'll forgive you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just want everybody know if the show doesn't

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if the show doesn't go well, in general,

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Speaker 1: I'm generally the one who receives the arrows. Be nice

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Speaker 1: to yourself. Be nice to yourself. Yea too, it's a

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Speaker 1: too many I take chances, ty everybody. So Okay, Today

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Speaker 1: we are evaluating the first year coaching jobs of head

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Speaker 1: and then if they go four and eight, it means

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Speaker 1: you don't have to feel bad about mcgiver's age.

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Speaker 2: So song comes out in nineteen ninety, which is even

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Speaker 2: older than mcgver's last episode. Just a brutal bit of

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Speaker 1: So I'm still in protest, yeah, but continue set that

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Speaker 1: we're going to find the coach who's the true VIP

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Speaker 2: How we talk Vanilla or Ies dionce Ice And I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so should also point out Vanilla a premium spice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, there's a ruthlessness to how Deon Sanders is

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, Dan, he came in and he said,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of ice and whatever, this index, ice index, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze, get it, you know, it's thematic.

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Speaker 2: It works, it works, keeps on work in TI, Hugh

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have the situation. The problem that Hugh

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Speaker 2: With Hugh Freeze, yeah, I mean a top twenty five

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're by the way, we're recording this what

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, you're also dealing with a coach in arguably

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, quarterback injury affects that Tanner Mordecai out for

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Speaker 2: So I think Luke Fickle is an interesting point for

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Speaker 2: I where are you at with Fickle? I'm still working

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Speaker 1: There's an uphill battle in terms of Wisconsin and branding

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Speaker 2: he took over. I think Wisconsin we had grown accustomed

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Speaker 2: to Wisconsin being one of the more stable programs in

436
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Speaker 2: college football. Frustratingly so for Wisconsin fans. It was always

437
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: the same thing kind of year and in year out.

438
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Speaker 2: But I think he will establish a new baseline. And

439
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: like you said, he's been aggressive in portal. I think

440
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: he's done a good job generally speaking. On the recruiting trail.

441
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: It's something like ten four stars this past this cycle.

442
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Speaker 1: As they should, Wisconsin should be a destination.

443
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think, of course, the proof is

444
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: going to be in the pudding, right like you, we

445
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: talked about the schedule when we did the show with

446
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Speaker 2: Ari last week and this season, they've got games against Alabama,

447
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Speaker 2: They've got games at US Oregon, They're playing Penn State,

448
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Speaker 2: They're at Iowa. Who knows what Iowa will be like

449
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: hosting Oregon, as you said, And there are some other

450
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Speaker 2: games on here that I think could be losable depending

451
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Speaker 2: on whether Nebraska gets better, depending on what version of

452
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Speaker 2: Rutgers they get when they traveled to Piscataway middle of

453
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Speaker 2: the season. Like, I'm not necessarily counting on those as losses,

454
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Speaker 2: but I think there are plenty of opportunities here for

455
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin to drop a couple of games, maybe that you

456
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Speaker 2: wouldn't think that they should.

457
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Speaker 1: Sure, but I have no idea what they're going to

458
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Speaker 1: be this year. But in terms of what they did

459
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Speaker 1: last year, the good that I'm going to give Luke

460
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: Fickle and the staff and this team, however you wanted

461
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: to find this, I'm going to give them one tick

462
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: towards ice rather than sitting squarely in the middle of

463
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Speaker 1: the meter. No, it's the defense was especially atrocities against Northwestern.

464
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely shredded by Northwestern third and longs, like the worst

465
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: kind of shredded. And then they bounce back, and you

466
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Speaker 1: know it has to do with quarterback health as well,

467
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Speaker 1: but they bounce back and they beat what Minnesota? And

468
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: who do they beat? And it was Minnesota and somebody

469
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: in the final or Minnesota is the final week of

470
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Speaker 1: the season. Nebraska. Yeah, so that Minnesota and they beat Nebraska,

471
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Speaker 1: and the offense definitely looked like it had a pulse

472
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Speaker 1: against LSU, and everybody's offense looks like it has a

473
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Speaker 1: pulse against LSU's twenty twenty three defense. But I think

474
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Speaker 1: that's a good sign for the program and program health

475
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Speaker 1: when you're able to bounce back from that from sort

476
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Speaker 1: of rock bottom immediately. So that's why I'm going to

477
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Speaker 1: give them a tick towards Ice, how about? And I'll

478
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Speaker 1: give them that because the defense sp plus sixth overall

479
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: defense sure this past season. I would always rather start

480
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: from that place, yes, than maybe from the place now

481
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Speaker 1: Colorado maybe in a different category altogether because they were

482
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Speaker 1: starting from rock bottom. But I would much rather be

483
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Speaker 1: in the position where you're starting with a good defense

484
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Speaker 1: that doesn't give up big plays. I mean, they did

485
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Speaker 1: north Western in like week ten.

486
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Speaker 2: They did in week ten, right, but I would almost

487
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: always rather have that as the bedrock.

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Speaker 1: It's a good starting point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good starting point. So

490
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Speaker 2: we'll see. I think I'm with you. I'm kind of

491
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Speaker 2: in the middle between the vanilla and the Ice.

492
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Speaker 1: I just don't think you can let Cincinnati Luke Fickle

493
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Speaker 1: color the job in either direction. He did near one

494
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Speaker 1: like it should be evaluated in a vacuum. To me,

495
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Speaker 1: which coach you want to go to next. Let's go

496
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: back rule, let's stay in the conference. That rule another

497
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: high profile dude.

498
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Speaker 2: Defense is way better for Nebraska. It was a good defense,

499
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: offense was worse. They had all sorts of issues on

500
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: that squad quarterback, I mean, the line, you name it.

501
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: It just didn't work on offense, and I think they're

502
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: trying to resolve that side of things, right, not the

503
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: least of which is getting Dylan Royola to flip his

504
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: commitment from Georgia, presumably to be the starting quarterback. We'll

505
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: see how that goes right out of the shoot for Nebraska,

506
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: But some of their youth that they brought up via

507
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: the transfer portal last year along the line, you know,

508
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: just kind of started to integrate them a little bit

509
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: towards the end of the season. We'll see more of

510
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: I think the dividends on that front going into twenty

511
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Speaker 2: twenty four. So, I mean, Matt Rule, just in terms

512
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: of being a vibes guy, was definitely on the icier

513
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: side of this, all right. Matt Ruhle learned how to

514
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: use social media sure upon getting this job with Nebraska,

515
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: which was really the upset of the year in the

516
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Speaker 2: Big Ten West for my money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think generally the.

518
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Speaker 2: Vibe that I have gotten from Nebraska people that right

519
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: into the show, that subscribe to the Patreon and whatnot

520
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: was the people are content to take away and see

521
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: approach because as opposed to the Scott Frost experiment, which

522
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: always to some extent felt like a bit of an experiment.

523
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: A guy who knew Nebraska, a guy who had crafted

524
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: better offenses elsewhere, but it didn't seem like as much

525
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: of a proven entity as a guy like a Rule.

526
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: They're willing to give this guy a little bit longer

527
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: of a leash, even though much of the same frustration,

528
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: to be fair, stuck with the program. Right, there were

529
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: still close losses. There were still those moments where they're

530
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: shooting themselves in the foot. These things they need to

531
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: get passed. It's just people that rode into us seemed

532
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Speaker 2: more inclined to give Rule the benefit of the doubt.

533
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Speaker 1: Do you agree? Sure? Yeah, So if it's more towards Vanilla,

534
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: they finish out the season, they don't go to a

535
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: bowl game once again, they finish out the season averaging

536
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: thirteen points a game on offense. Backup quarterback. Right November

537
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: I think it was, they went between steps, scoring seventeen

538
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: to ten points. And so that's a huge disappointment in

539
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: terms of where this offense is. Certainly the ability to

540
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: sell the future and bringing in Dylan Royola, who obviously

541
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: is a legacy, a double legacy, is encouraging that whatever

542
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: Matt Rule is selling is resonating and whatever the collective

543
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: is buying is resonating. But I don't know where, Like,

544
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to keep Tony White

545
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: probably for a year after this year. Right, this is

546
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: probably the final year of Tony White, whose name came

547
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: up with a lot of high profile jobs in the sport,

548
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: considering some of the success he had at Syracuse ASU

549
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: and now Nebraska running his three three five, And so

550
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I think the vibes moving forward should be pretty icy defensively,

551
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: that Matt Rule is going to have an eye for

552
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: both defensive hires and for defensive players, and Nebraska is

553
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Speaker 1: going to be able to string together year over year

554
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: good defenses, Like the vibes should be good, like Nebraska

555
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: should be annually in Bowl games, which is an improvement. So, yes,

556
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: you got to skew icy with that way of thinking.

557
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: But now where is the evidence that Matt Rule has

558
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: an eye for an offensive coordinator. Where is the evidence

559
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: that Matt Rule has an eye for an offensive vision?

560
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Where is the evidence for Matt Rule having an eye

561
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks thriving on a Matt Rule team.

562
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: He's that to me, he's trading a little bit on

563
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: past success at Temple at Baylor.

564
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Not offensive and quarterback success.

565
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: Not offensive and quarterback success, but just general success. Right,

566
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: the year one experience under Matt Rule, I think a

567
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: Nebraska is way better than I expected. Sure, so I'll

568
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: give him that, you know, even if the vision isn't

569
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: entirely clear. This has been a guy that, at least

570
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: on the college level, has been very good at by

571
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: the time he gets a year three transforming a program. Right,

572
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: That's part of what got him to the NFL as

573
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: a head coach. That's certainly what brought him back to

574
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: college as a head coach out in BA. He has

575
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: that truck record for turning programs around. Just might take

576
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: a little bit.

577
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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the issue, though, It's take Matt Rule's name

578
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: out of it, and a coach who fielded a good

579
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: defense at Nebraska and lost a bunch of close games

580
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: against disappointing opponents. Is not all that different than the

581
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: guy he replaced, So I agree that the vibes are

582
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: clearly better than where they were. The problem he took,

583
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: the problem that he took on in taking that job

584
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: is the vibes were bad. Man in Lincoln. The vibes

585
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: are just down and bad because everybody wanted it to

586
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: work out with Scott Frost, and it very clearly didn't,

587
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and it didn't immediately as they entered into the twenty

588
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: twenty two season as he's let go early. So what

589
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: he was able to accomplish in year one was reverse

590
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: the vibes, but the on field results were eerily similar,

591
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and so yes, bringing in Dylan Royola, bringing in I

592
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: think it's what a top twenty class right now Nebraska,

593
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: which seems to be better than what Scott was able

594
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: to accomplish consistently in Lincoln, though I don't have their

595
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: recruiting history in front of me. I'm going another tick

596
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: towards Icy, but I'm being very careful and I'm keeping

597
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: my eye on Tahiti and Madagascar for that expensive vanilla tie.

598
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: I really am. I mean the line we.

599
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Speaker 2: Talked about this because I think we did a bonus

600
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Speaker 2: episode where we broke down what was going on in

601
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: Nebraska out on Patreon. But there are some truly eye

602
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: popping statistics about the quarterback play, and I think as

603
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: a result of the line, the line was really bad.

604
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Sure you, No, he needs time. He definitely needs time.

605
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: He has earned time. They will improve here.

606
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, here are two of the more ridiculous stats from

607
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Speaker 2: Nebraska quarterback player from this past season.

608
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: Okay, are they going to flow like a harpoon daily

609
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: and nightly? These stats? I hope. So.

610
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: No quarterback on the roster had more touchdowns thrown than interceptions. Right,

611
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: the closest was Heinrich. You're rooting the vibes, eh squared. Yeah,

612
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns, seven interceptions, and all quarterbacks and roster got

613
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: sacked an alarming amount of times. Eleven point three percent

614
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: of the dropbacks were sacks for h squared, nine point

615
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: six percent for Jeff Simms and Chubb Purdy when he

616
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: got in there, got sacked a little bit less, but

617
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: still six point six percent of the time.

618
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot, Yeah, it's a lot. It's difficult.

619
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Speaker 2: You look at like Anthony grat, Grant's numbers maybe a

620
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: little bit lower than people expected. That's probably a big

621
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Speaker 2: part of the reason why the line was just really bad.

622
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: So they got to improved that. I think they know that,

623
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Speaker 2: and you know, I think I think Matt Rule's got

624
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: a bit of a track record for improving that side.

625
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Of things as well. So yeah, I'm I'm tick icy

626
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: here in a good way. So next, Jeff Brahm, I

627
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: think anytime you can step in in year one, bring

628
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: in a quarterback that probably does and have a number

629
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: of an amount of huge expectation behind him and take

630
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: your team to a conference championship game, I think it's

631
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: even if you're not a big believer in Louisville moving forward,

632
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: which I think you should be a like, they'll be

633
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: a consistent bowl team, they'll be interesting, they'll give you

634
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: some heavyweights trouble. I think the Jeff Brahm experience is

635
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: going to remain consistent. But to do that in year one,

636
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Speaker 1: I think, all things considered, like an overwhelming success, even

637
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: with the way the season ended, this.

638
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Speaker 2: Is this is as far on the ice scale as

639
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: I can go towards ice like this in a vacuum, Yeah,

640
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: in a vacuum, sure, But like everything he did turn

641
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: to gold, whether it was Jack Plumber, remember everybody kind

642
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: of rolled their eyes when it was like, oh wait,

643
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: Jack put it in. Jack Plummer is going to be

644
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: the quarterback this year. Okay, and Jack Plumber had a

645
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: pretty good season. Like it wasn't perfect, but Jack Plumber.

646
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Jack Plummer had a really nice year and threw a

647
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: nice deep ball when they needed it most. I mean,

648
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: he stepped up and was a quick fit in that

649
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: offense even when they got out. Like Jawar Jordan, George

650
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Speaker 2: Jordan was a big game player, a home run hitter.

651
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: I remember talking about that with respect to the noted

652
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: in game that scared the crap out of me. What

653
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 2: Jeward Now, I didn't think they would beat Notre Dame,

654
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: but Jewar Jordan played a big role in the way

655
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: that Louisville beat Notre Dame.

656
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: Well, it was a lot they ran out of gas

657
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: around Thanksgiving, but it was a lot of winning the losable,

658
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: even week one. Winning the losable is a huge talent

659
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: for a head coach, his staff, his team whatever. In

660
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: year one and before running out of gas, you probably

661
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: have to beat a team down to a backup or

662
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: third string quarterback whatever before running out of gas. The

663
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Kentucky game wasn't pretty obviously the bowl game getting shredded

664
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: by Miller Moss whatever bulls mean so much less now

665
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: I think Louisville that there was that certain talent of

666
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: being well coached. Everybody's playing out that would they be

667
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: NC State thirteen to ten on a Thursday or Friday night,

668
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: no win the losable. After we get done talking about

669
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: matt rule, that's a big deal. And so in a vacuum, yes, absolutely,

670
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: I see year one. Absolutely, I see.

671
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I like that he has

672
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: done is and I remember calling this out again a

673
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: couple episodes ago, and we talked about Mike Norfell. I

674
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: think we were talking about the portal. It just it

675
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: really seems like he is a pretty good understanding for

676
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: how to balance. Yeah, this it's not too heavy one

677
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: way or the other with respect to portal versus high

678
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: school recruiting versus whatever else. It seems to be a

679
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: very balanced approach to talent acquisition. And honestly, given the

680
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: first year that he had in the ACC and given

681
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: where I think that conference is at as a whole,

682
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: like Florida State has risen quickly. Florida State is the

683
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: team beat. I don't know what to expect out of

684
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: Clemson moving forward. It's obviously still a very very good roster.

685
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: But outside of those two teams, both of which I

686
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: think are a little bit more of a known quantity,

687
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what North Carolina is going to be

688
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: moving forward. I don't know what Syracuse, what Virginia Tech,

689
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: what NC State, what Duke, what Cow? Yeah, any of

690
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: these teams, I don't know what any of the Miami.

691
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: Miami is a huge unknown. I don't know what any

692
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: of these teams are moving forward. So if you're Jeff

693
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: Brahm and if you're able to, I think raise the

694
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: floor on that roster, if you're able to provide depth,

695
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: which was kind of my whole thesis when we talked

696
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: about this last time, it seems like he is raising

697
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: the floor on the depth of the roster and giving

698
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: them more depth. If you're able to do all of

699
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: those things, I think next to your schedules a little

700
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: bit harder, but by and large in the acc like,

701
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: I just look around at the landscape and I say,

702
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: what what is the competition here? What is to prevent

703
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: this team from winning nine games a year? I don't know,

704
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 2: I really don't.

705
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, look cooked MC like a pound of bacon, right,

706
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: Mario Christobal, Right, yeah, it's pretty good.

707
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: Come on, it's I'm still playing in protest, but not bad.

708
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: It's okay, next coach.

709
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: Next coach, all right, So we agree, Jeff Brown pretty

710
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: much on the on the icy side of this thing. Yeah,

711
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: when we started talking about this episode as a possible

712
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: mcgiver theme, the one that came up first in my

713
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: mind was Kenny Dillingham. Okay, and it was it was

714
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: predominantly because of the game where he was running the

715
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: swinging gate offense and didn't have a quarterback.

716
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Speaker 1: Right.

717
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 2: It seems as if, given roster restrictions and given issues

718
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: that he had stepping foot in tempe A, he wanted

719
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: the job more than anybody else, which I think is

720
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: value and b he figured out a way to make

721
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: it work. Like they they didn't win a whole lot

722
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: of games, but they played damn hard for him, and

723
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: more than anything else, I tend to look at that

724
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: as like a precursor for what's to come. So I

725
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: think Kenny Dillingham is actually much more on the icy

726
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: side of this than vanilla. Like there was nothing vanilla

727
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: about Arizona State football this past year with the injuries

728
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: he dealt with, with the new names he was working in,

729
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: and just trying to fill out a roster, like he

730
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: had a bunch of problems that he had to Frankly

731
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: mcgiver use it as a verb in order to make

732
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: this season ticket. I think he did a pretty good

733
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: job of it, all things considered.

734
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the problem he faces immediately is a fully

735
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: drained roster following the Herm Edwards era, and that's going

736
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: to be just a reality for a number of programs

737
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: moving forward, whether it's because of a coach getting fired,

738
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: whether it's because of a coach leaving, whether it's because

739
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: of you know, a roster looking especially attractive to portal assassins. Whatever.

740
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I remember the tweet where it was just like here's

741
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: what the twenty twenty one Arizona State team had, and

742
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: it was like Jayden Daniels, Johnny Wilson, Ricky Piersoll, Rashad White,

743
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: who just like really strong players everywhere. And then you

744
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: look at what was inherited in Tempe and it was

745
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: just like man Kelly Tnny Dillingham has his work cut

746
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: out for him, you know, bringing and Drew Pine or

747
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: whatever from Notre Dame landing on getting a quarterback of

748
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: the future and Jayden Rashot after everything that happened with

749
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: Florida and Miami whatever. But all things considered, with the

750
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: number of players he brought in the portal, he brings

751
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: in a pretty active, younger recruiting staff. Offensive coordinator certainly

752
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: doesn't work out in bo Baldwin. So you know, that's

753
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: a tick in the direction of Vanilla. But I don't know.

754
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: I thought you could see the bones of something interesting

755
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: in Tempe. Now who knows what they look like in

756
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: a new conference. But I still think that's always going

757
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: to be an attractive place. Kenny Dillingham, I think is

758
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: going to be continue to be an able recruiter, both

759
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: in the portal and on the trail. And so it's

760
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: hard in year one because of where that roster was

761
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: just an especially weird place that it was really attractive

762
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: and then really just depleted. So yeah, I'm going a

763
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: couple ticks in the direction of encouraging iciness for Kenny Dillingham,

764
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: especially given that you know they're not going to be

765
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: in a conference with whatever Washington was last year, whatever

766
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: Oregon was last year. You know, recruiting against USC in

767
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: that same area for playing in the same conference whatever. Like,

768
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a more open question with ASU

769
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve, and that they're not necessarily recruiting

770
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: against a superpower in that conference with Texas and Oklahoma leaving.

771
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: So I think there's opportunity. They're still going to be

772
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: recruiting against USC, Oregon, Washington, whoever. But in terms of

773
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: the job he did last year, they beat what UCLA

774
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: last year running a weird swinging gate offensive line situation.

775
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: So what I'm talking about so solving the problem of

776
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: roster and just looking competitive more often than they probably

777
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: should have hiring I think in a somewhat savvy way. Yeah,

778
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: I think closer to icy than banilla. For sure.

779
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: We have we have I think Teeter too much on

780
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: the side of ice.

781
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go to Scott Sadfield. Let's just what

782
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: we want to do.

783
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm looking at this sheet that you want to

784
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm I am looking at this sheet, and I am

785
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: i am zeroed in laser focused on Scott Saderfield, and

786
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: you broke up on the vanilla side of things. I'm

787
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: not a Sadderfield believer.

788
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm just not. I I don't know why.

789
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: I know why he took the job because I think

790
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: he was on the verge of getting fired at Louisville. Yeah,

791
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: and so when when Luke Fickle left to take Wisconsin

792
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 2: and Cincinnati moved quickly, or maybe it was Saderfield's people,

793
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, somebody moved very quickly to bring him

794
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: a bit north and take the Sincy job. I have

795
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: not been in on this since day one.

796
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: And you know this. I remember you chastise.

797
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: Me in the early part of the season when I

798
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: said Cincinnati is going to be one of, if not

799
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: the worst team in the Big Twelve. There's a team

800
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: that went three to nine. This is a team that

801
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: won two games early against Eastern Kentucky and won the

802
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: pit game on the road when they beat Pitt. I

803
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: remember you and I had a conversation or were like wow,

804
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: like maybe we got to because we thought Pitt was

805
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: going to be decent at that point in time. Pitt

806
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: was not the Pit that I think we had hoped for. Otherwise,

807
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: Cincinnati lost after that Week two.

808
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: Game against Pitt.

809
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: They lost one, two, three, four, five, six seven in

810
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: a row before beating Houston on the road and then

811
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: lost their last two at West Virginia and Kansas. So

812
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: partially that could have been a schedule that maybe was

813
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: harder than we thought. I don't know, but I think

814
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: in large part it was Luke Fickle left. The talent

815
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: was going to be a concern at Cincinnatis and all told, like,

816
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: we just didn't really think Scott Siderfield was that good

817
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: of a coach. It was good in his previous stop,

818
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: it didn't really work at Louisville. It was a lot

819
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: of the same for you know, four or five years,

820
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: however long he was there, and so to bring that

821
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: north to Cincinnati, to me, it was always a bit suspect.

822
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: So I'm still very much on the vanilla side with

823
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: the centerfield move.

824
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: It's also uninspired from the Cincinnati administration itself, and so

825
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: there was always going to be a drop off considering

826
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: the talent level that was moving on to the NFL

827
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: after the playoff here that just those corners, the pass rush,

828
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: the guys on offense, drome forward, all like the guys

829
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: that really nailed it for Cincinnati that hung around that

830
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: Luke Fickle nailed it in the portal that the roster

831
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: was going to need a lot of work just because

832
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: of the amount of star power that was gone and

833
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: how hard it might be to replenish at a place

834
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati on that level. But the higher itself is

835
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: extremely vanilla, and the results, especially in the twenty twenty

836
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: three Big Twelve, when you looked at like, you know,

837
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: Kansas State is down, TCU is down, Like West Virginia

838
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: filled the vacuum and West Virginia was fine and there

839
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: was an inspired year for the Mountaineers. It saved their

840
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: whole coach's job and saved Neil Brown's job. But West

841
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Virginia wins what eight games last year? Yeah, Like for

842
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: a new team in the conference, it was always going

843
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: to be a struggle, right stepping up new opponents. You know,

844
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with everything. But there was opportunity for

845
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to do something in the portal with an inspired

846
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: higher and give some teams some trouble and they just

847
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: were immediately a non issue to the rest of the conference.

848
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think it is harder or

849
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: easier for a new coach to come in and change

850
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: the system in the way that Saderfield did, or do

851
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: you think it is easier for a guy like a

852
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: Neil Brown, who was already there, who for all intents

853
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: and purposes, completely changed the offense in a singular offseason.

854
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: So it's more difficult for Saderfield just because he didn't

855
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: recruit those guys, and it's a team stepping into a

856
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: new situation so getting used to a new conference, whereas

857
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: the self scouting has got to be just easier for

858
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Neil Brown and now he's dealing with quarterback injury obviously,

859
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: Cincinnati dealing with rotating quarterbacks. Like there's a lot of

860
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: overlap and the issues that both of these teams face.

861
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: But West Virginia had a much easier time adjusting on

862
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: the fly.

863
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 2: To me, I think I agree with that, But we're

864
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: a few years into this Neil Brown thing now. Yeah,

865
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: at West Virginia, it's tough to reinvent yourself. It's tough

866
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: to reinvent yourself when you've recruited to I think systems

867
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: that were different than what they ran sure on offenses

868
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 2: past season. Now they steered into what their strengths were,

869
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: and that I think was the genius and what Neil

870
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: Brown did and why he's going to keep his job

871
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: while he had the Duke's Mayo dumped on him, and

872
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: so there's probably a case to be made that's starting

873
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: a news somewhere. With that fresh start maybe gives you

874
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: a better opportunity to run something completely different and have

875
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: success with it. Whatever the case, Sadurfield did not have

876
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: success with it. He did not have success that they

877
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: were starting Emry Jones. It was not a good offense.

878
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: It was not a good deal. Like It's just it

879
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: wasn't good all around. So I agree Scott Saderfield is

880
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: sort of like our Vanilla king here with respect to

881
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: this conversation, what do you think about Ryan Walters at Purdue?

882
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: I skew Vanilla as well. You hire Graham Harrell, you

883
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: talk about West Virginia. Hire Graham Harrell to run your offense,

884
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: and I thought bringing in Hudson Card, you know, had

885
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: a good enough upside opportunity. It didn't work out, at

886
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: least until the end of the year. But the good

887
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: thing about Ryan Walters is you look at the point

888
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: to which Illinois defense fell this past year, and a

889
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: lot of that is, you know, talent off to the NFL.

890
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: What a top ten corner I think in the NFL

891
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: draft and Weatherspoon. But I didn't hate the higher but

892
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator move was going to be so crucial,

893
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: and to bring in Graham Harrell, who is you know,

894
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: Johnny Vanilla seed everywhere he goes just replacing offense with disappointment.

895
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: That's the big thing with Perdue. So I think Perdue

896
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: has been like weirdly strong on the recruiting trail right now.

897
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Walters is like put in some work

898
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: which is interestingly interesting enough, So I'm not full dramatic

899
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: vanilla here, But yeah, the Graham Harrald thing, the way

900
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: the manner in which they lost, where they didn't seem

901
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: competitive some of the key players they lost in the

902
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: portal is not a great sign. Doesn't necessarily reflect poorly

903
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: on him. You know. It's sometimes just a dollars and

904
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: cents thing with guys upping their their profile with strong

905
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: play and then looking for you know, commiserate money. But yeah,

906
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the vibes are especially interesting or fun

907
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: in wes Lafayette in this moment after last year. I

908
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: think I'm with you on that one.

909
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: Shout out Eric on Patreon, who keeps us fully up

910
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: to date mm hmm with all things per football. We

911
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: appreciate his his insight you mentioned Brent Key earlier, So

912
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: Brent Key bran Kee maybe isn't Maybe he doesn't belong

913
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: in this group because he was the interim.

914
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, first full season, but first full season is.

915
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: I think I think I go like, two ticks in

916
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: the direction of ice. I think so, I think I

917
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: go two ticks in the direction of ice.

918
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: Like.

919
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: There is clearly a lot to iron out on the

920
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech side, but bringing over Haynes King worked.

921
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: That was a good move, worked for both Georgia Tech

922
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: and the stats of DB's across the ACC.

923
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but they were spicy, you know, And that's that's

924
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: the thing that I really zone in. I really hone

925
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: in on.

926
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

927
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a vibes guy man, and I just

928
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: feel like Brent FOI, Brent Key brings the vibes.

929
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in on Georgia Tech. I don't know

930
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: to what extent you said what two ticks to towards

931
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: towards iciness? Yeah, I think that's about right. I think

932
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: they're interesting. I think they have an interesting ceiling. We'll

933
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: see what they are long term at quarterback. We'll see

934
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: what they are long term at tackling ACC players because

935
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: that seemed to be a pretty significant issue. It was

936
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: this past year as the defense took a pretty significant

937
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: dip back from the Jeff Collins era. But yeah, overall,

938
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: with where Georgia Tech is as a program, where the

939
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: ACC is and was in twenty twenty three, that in

940
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: year one, if you're playing with a good deal of fire,

941
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: I think that reflects well on the head coach and

942
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: the staff and how the roster was constructed in the

943
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: off season. So yeah, I think closer to ice for sure. Right,

944
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: let's do rapid fire. Let's do a couple of guys

945
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: rapid fire, Troy Taylor at Stanford. I think the vibes

946
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: are pretty good. The recruiting seems to be good. The

947
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: comeback against Colorado certainly raised to his profile. I forget

948
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: exactly how they finished out the year, but all things considered,

949
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: I with the difficulty of that job in terms of

950
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: the portal era and now playing across the country in

951
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the ACC like it's an uphill battle, but I'd go

952
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: a tip positive, a tip positive.

953
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they were interesting, Right, they were interesting,

954
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: And he's proven kind of in his career that he's

955
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: willing to adjust to the personnel, and I think it

956
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: took a little bit to figure out what that was

957
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: at Stanford, right, but it was interesting. It was nothing

958
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: if not interesting.

959
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: They lost five of six to finish out the year.

960
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: They go three to nine. Overall. They had a nice

961
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: first half against Oregon. I mentioned the comeback they had

962
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: like a weird fourth down miss not conversion against Washington

963
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: in that game, a trick play that was absolutely there. Yeah,

964
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, we're gonna need to see what the roster

965
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: looks like. So this is just kind of on a

966
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: wing and a prayer a little little bit that Troy

967
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: Taylor's gonna work out at Stanford, which is like a

968
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: uniquely challenging job that some guys have figured out brilliantly

969
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: in some sea powerhouse Stanford acc powerhouse Stanford. But in

970
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: this era, like it doesn't seem like they're gonna be

971
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: huge ni nil players or yeah, uh and portal is

972
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: going to be nearly impossible. But in terms of Troy

973
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Taylor specifically, I think he's the right guy to get

974
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: them consistently bowling. Yeah, I'm there, all right? Who else?

975
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: Who else we got on this list? Uh? fIF poge

976
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: if good vibes, good lead lists, great vibes. Always great

977
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: vibe David Braun. David Braun, I mean kind of great

978
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: vibes around David Braun.

979
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what I mean, what else is there to

980
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: point to in February on the north through of Chicago

981
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: than iciness. So yeah, both sides of the ball get better,

982
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: they win losable games, they surprise everybody. There's zero expectations

983
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: after what happened in August. So yeah, David Braun absolutely,

984
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, taken from interim to full time. Absolute icy vibes.

985
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Jamie Chadwell went to a Fiesta ball. It's hard to

986
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: top that. So he's pretty much on the icy side

987
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: of this as well.

988
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: GJ. Hard to fully gauge what Liberty was last year

989
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: because of the schedule, but yeah, year one, you go

990
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: undefeated regular season. Yeah, you can't look at that in

991
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 1: a vanilla way.

992
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with GJ. Kinney at Texas State. Yeah, did

993
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: a great job offensively rebooting things.

994
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: And was Baylor head coach.

995
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably going to get a bigger job before long.

996
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: Was very aggressive in the portal, which is part of

997
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: why I found him interesting in the preseason, and it worked.

998
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to make that work to the extent.

999
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: But hard to replicate year over year. Very hard.

1000
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very difficult to replicate, but at least it

1001
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: worked once. So I give him that and a very

1002
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: like western Kentucky Ish approach to the.

1003
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Texas State was kind of down bad in

1004
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: terms of how competitive they weren't, and so that sort

1005
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: of job year one I think reflects really well on him,

1006
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: and it will reflect really well in the same way

1007
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: like what Jeff Trailer has done at UTSA, Like these

1008
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: jobs in that area, in the big twelve in the

1009
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: SEC are going to continue to open, and so his

1010
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: I think his profile is raised, and that's thanks to

1011
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: a quick year one.

1012
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 2: I think if we're talking of this again in terms

1013
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: of like ice on one side and vanilla on the other,

1014
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: I think Tim Beck is driving the vanilla truck. I

1015
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: think he is the vanilla delivery guy in this conversation

1016
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: for Coastal Carolina.

1017
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: But something got better, Like defense got dramatically better, right,

1018
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: The defense got better.

1019
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: The defense took a step forward, went up by like

1020
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty spots in the sp plus it still wasn't

1021
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: great relative to the rest of college football. It's one

1022
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: year they beat app State on the road. Yes, beat

1023
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 2: app state on the road. I just like, it's hard

1024
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: for me to look at this offense and feel good

1025
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: about the state of affairs at Coastal Carolina, especially after

1026
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: watching what Jamie Chadwell did. Technically, speaking from a statistical perspective,

1027
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: it was better this past year than it was in

1028
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two hundred Chadwell, but I circumstances were all

1029
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: so different, and I just think we know enough about

1030
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: Tim Beck to know that this isn't like an offense

1031
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: to be excited about. So for me, he's driving the tree.

1032
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: He's like he's driving the mist I don't have the

1033
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: sound here, but he's driving the mister softy vanilla truck.

1034
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: See, I'm I'm squarely neutral here. I don't have the

1035
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: vanilla vibes. I think you're using Tim Beck's coordinator history

1036
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: against him, and I am. They were final They won

1037
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: six of eight to finish out the year, including a

1038
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: Bowl win. So if Coastal Carolina, look, he's going to

1039
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: be measured against Jamie Chadwell, he's going to be measured

1040
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: against the fun of whatever was twenty twenty. But at

1041
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: the same time, winning's better than losing, and he got

1042
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: what they got destroyed by James Madison. You should lose

1043
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: to James Madison, maybe not be destroyed by them. They

1044
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: lose to Army as well, which is tricky. All things considered,

1045
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: year one in taking over in a very specific system,

1046
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: I thought he was fine.

1047
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: Any other names here that you want to call out

1048
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: quickly on.

1049
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: Your in terms of first year guys and vibes, Let

1050
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: me let me now it's goleh. We talked to defense

1051
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: got way better. Yeah, we talked about USF. It might

1052
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: have that game might have broken Nick Saban's career. Yeah.

1053
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: By the way, you know who the defensive coordinator is

1054
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: for USF on that crazy improved defense.

1055
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: Todd Orlando.

1056
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't work out at USC didn't work out at

1057
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: Texas in the end, but uh, you know maybe as

1058
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: a group of five coordinator. He was great at Utah State,

1059
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: strong at Houston. This is like a soap.

1060
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: Proper man when you when you like kill off the

1061
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: characters and they just keep coming back. They invent ways

1062
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: to bring him back into the plot. Todd Orlando's still around.

1063
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's just right. It's it's finding dudes. It's it

1064
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: was the old joke we made about Jim Chaney like

1065
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: your offense might not be great, but it's gonna be fine. Yeah,

1066
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: And so Todd Orlando, especially at a G five place

1067
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: that just is sort of starting from scratch after you know,

1068
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: a kind of disastrous. Jeff Scott era that like you

1069
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: can get talent, and they portaled super hard with Alex

1070
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: Skulash like they're gonna be fine. And so I thought

1071
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: the job that he did, especially, Look, you're gonna talk

1072
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of shit at the end of like

1073
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: a great bowl game. The vibes are to me, and

1074
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: we talked about this last week. Us F vibes are

1075
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: strong right now, and so I made I think healthy ice,

1076
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: healthy brows. Solash, you ever heard that before? All right,

1077
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Speaker 1: look sOliver about Gmail dot com right.

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Speaker 2: In, let us know where you're at on these guys.

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Speaker 2: Let us know anybody that we missed. You want to talk

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Speaker 2: a little, Eric Morris, talk a little trend Dilfer, Lance Taylor,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Barry uh whoever? Right in sOliver about

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Speaker 2: Gama dot Com. Hit us up on social media, little say,

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Speaker 2: let us know where we are right where we're wrong.

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Speaker 2: You come down any that Kevin Wilson, Brian Newberry, say Burns.

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Speaker 1: I think the bary otem vibes are icy right now.

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Speaker 1: Now they lose their quarterback and Jade mayava. He's off

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Speaker 1: to USC. But when somebody goes to a place that

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Speaker 1: traditionally just can't figure it out, and in year one

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Speaker 1: a guy's like, let's try these couple of things and

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Speaker 1: hire as well. I think the baryodom vibes depending on

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Speaker 1: what happens at quarterback at UNLV, depending on how long

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Speaker 1: he's there, because you go to another bowl game at UNLV,

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Speaker 1: he's just going to be the new head coach at

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Speaker 1: you know, enter Big twelve score or whatever here. So

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Speaker 1: that's somebody I would say, like clear ice to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, losing my ava hurts. That hurts, but nonetheless right

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Speaker 2: in let us know it's Oliverbgmail dot com, check out

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Speaker 2: for Ballers dot com. Of course, that is the Patreon.

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Speaker 2: You can help support what Dan and I do. Get

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Speaker 2: add free episodes, get bonus episodes, get access to all

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Speaker 2: of what we've got planned here in the offseason. I

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Speaker 2: will say that the lab we started up the lab,

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Speaker 2: it took us a few weeks to kind of recalibrate

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Speaker 2: after a season of.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, but it sound.

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Speaker 2: Of course, need a little bit of time to kind

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Speaker 2: of catch our breath after the game stopped being played.

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Speaker 1: Of course there's been news.

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Speaker 2: We've been covering it as best we can here in

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Speaker 2: the on demand format that is podcasting. But now that

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Speaker 2: we've had a chance to kind of get our sea

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Speaker 2: legs that the lab is definitely cooking. So we've got

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Speaker 2: all sorts of fun ideas here for the offseason going

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Speaker 2: into the regular season. It's gonna be a big year

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Speaker 2: of football. I don't think there's any two ways about

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Speaker 2: it in twenty twenty four with so much changing, So

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Speaker 2: we just know that we are hard at work coming

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Speaker 2: up with creative ways to cover all this for the

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Speaker 2: for baller hood.

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Speaker 1: Ice Ice Baby was the first hip hop single to

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Speaker 1: top the Billboard charts, and this is and I quote

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Speaker 1: this is Wikipedia has been credited with helping to diversify

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Speaker 1: hip hop by introducing it to a mainstream audience. He's

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Speaker 1: an American Music Award winner, a Kid's Choice Award, a

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Speaker 1: Soul Train Award nominee Tye no Grammys nominated, but no

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Speaker 1: he did not win. I think he was nominated for

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Speaker 1: Best New Artist. To the extreme became the fastest selling

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Speaker 1: hip hop album of all time, spending sixteen weeks at

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Speaker 1: number one on the Billboard two hundred. Good for him,

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Speaker 1: it's a great Wikipedia Tob van Winkle. Rob van Winkle,

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Speaker 1: yes real name, real name, had an explicit book with Madonna.

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Speaker 1: Appeared in Teenage Mute Nat Turtles two, The Secret of

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Speaker 1: the Ooze. I mean there's a lot here, a lot

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Speaker 1: of meat on the off season bone, a lot of

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Speaker 1: meat on the Rob van Winkle Vanilla Ice early nineties bone.

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Speaker 2: On that note, on that note. For that guy over there,

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Speaker 2: my good friend Dan Rubinstein. For myself, Ty hilden Red,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on this odyssey.

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Speaker 1: Through year one college. Did you own? Did you own? No?

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Speaker 1: Say I was not. I wasn't a Vanilla Ice fan.

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Speaker 2: And yet you still shave the lines into the side

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Speaker 2: of your head the lasers.

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Speaker 1: I didn't go lasers lass. I'm picturing it looking great,

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Speaker 1: ok for me? For him, you know the drill, stay solid.

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Speaker 1: Will talk to y'all soon. Peace. H