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Speaker 1: Rolling along here our number two of the drive from

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Speaker 1: Steelers training camp. Of course, we are in sunny lay Trobe, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: here on the campus of St. Vincent College, where it

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Speaker 1: is a well kind of a skeleton drill going on

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Speaker 1: in front of us here. A little bit mad, is that, yeah?

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Speaker 1: Describe it.

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Speaker 2: What they're doing is they're working on picking up in

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Speaker 2: mostly I would say, more of a defensive minded thing,

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Speaker 2: dealing with close to bunch sets, route combinations all to

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Speaker 2: one side of the field, usually three receivers all to

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Speaker 2: one side, the wide side of the field. And a

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Speaker 2: little known fact about this league is the distinctions between

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Speaker 2: outside receivers and slot receivers is getting blurrier and blurrier first.

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Speaker 2: And the Steelers are a great example because a lot

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Speaker 2: of tight ends are lining up in the slot. John

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Speaker 2: neu will line up everywhere, even outside receivers. And I

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Speaker 2: put that in quotes. I don't know who quote who

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Speaker 2: does the data analysis of this, but it's very true

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Speaker 2: that the last several years, the average NFL formation has

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Speaker 2: become more and more condensed, not as far to the sidelines,

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Speaker 2: closer to the line of scrimmage. So you're getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of bodies, like in this situation, like between the

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Speaker 2: hash and the numbers, there's three receivers there, and you've

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Speaker 2: got three defense defensive players trying to cipher who's got who,

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Speaker 2: and picks and rubs and man coverage beaters and all

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Speaker 2: these type of things. I don't have a wonderful reason

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Speaker 2: closer to the line of scrimmage. I think, well, I

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Speaker 2: definitely think that the bunch concepts are but they're not new.

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Speaker 2: But still I think a lot of well spitballing as

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Speaker 2: we go through this, and so much of the reason

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Speaker 2: for offensive changes, I always go back to the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just D lines better than O line, And if

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Speaker 2: I'm going to attack the sidelines, I have to protect

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Speaker 2: a little longer and make a longer throw, and I

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Speaker 2: don't always trust my O line to hold up as much.

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Speaker 2: But it's definitely true. It's a trend in the league,

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Speaker 2: and it steals you a lot of it too. They

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Speaker 2: don't spread thing guys out all the way on the sidelines,

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Speaker 2: and you know that type of thing. You know, Pickens

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Speaker 2: lined up there a lot, Metcalfole line up there a lot,

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Speaker 2: especially with these tight end usaige. You're gonna see a

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Speaker 2: lot of condensed thing, you know, condensed formations closer to

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Speaker 2: the ball. It's just where the league is going. Another

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Speaker 2: reason why it definitely is true is we talk about

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Speaker 2: there's a shortage of o lineman the league. There's a

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Speaker 2: shortage off the ball linebackers too.

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Speaker 1: Total.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams that would love to be

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Speaker 2: average off the ball linebackers. And I grew up, you

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Speaker 2: go up to some degree in an era of ray

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Speaker 1: And even like logic Willis and Bobby Wager.

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Speaker 2: And there's Fred Warner and everybody else. Knowyes, you know,

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Speaker 2: like there's there's not that many of those guys. And

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Speaker 2: what's worse is you could argue the Steelers are average

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Speaker 2: or above average and off the ball linebacker covering the

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Speaker 2: middle of the field. I mean, that's where I'm going

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Speaker 2: with this, is the coverage of Billy against those bunches

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Speaker 2: and slots and tight ends in the slot. But there's

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Speaker 2: so many teams that are just searching, you know, that

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Speaker 2: just don't have the linebackers. And some of it's back

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Speaker 2: to like our tight end conversation, a lot of these linebackers,

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Speaker 2: especially ones drafted high that are great athletes, really have

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Speaker 2: a tough time their first year or two in the league,

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Speaker 2: and it takes a while before your brain to catch up,

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Speaker 2: and these teams are just manipulating you to no end,

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Speaker 2: and there's so much to digest and then you got

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Speaker 2: off of all, linebackers take a while, and there's a real.

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Speaker 1: Shortage in the league, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: And I think people were attacking them more.

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Speaker 1: And they're not at the top of the food chain

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Speaker 1: in terms of positions that are commanding large chunks of

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Speaker 2: Can and even less and less now because people are

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Speaker 2: just like, I'm done trying. I'm done taking Devon White

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Speaker 2: that's coming off as first contract that maybe doesn't have

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Speaker 1: Even someone like a Jack Campbell right right later on

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Speaker 2: It's taking him a while, but it's starting to starting

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Speaker 1: Kind of maybe same church, different pew with some of

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Speaker 1: that stuff that we were talking about with tight ends

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Speaker 2: You're in the middle of the field and there's a

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Speaker 2: lot to digest. Absolutely, we got a lot of responsibilities.

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Speaker 1: We got team period getting started in front of us

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Speaker 1: here Aaron Rodgers hands off the jayl and warre and

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Speaker 1: the crowd all fired up here. It's a good day

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Speaker 1: to be a running back when there's no when there's

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Speaker 1: no live tackling. Yeah, it is, I tell you, Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Plus they take it to the house. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: like an old school high school college, you know, when

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Speaker 2: do you pull up some of these guys taking eighty

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Speaker 1: We've been seeing that in a long time, right as uh,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will break the huddle once again once again

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Speaker 1: under center.

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Speaker 2: You got signed sort of that bunch to the left here.

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Speaker 2: Like we talked about again, this is not a pretty

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Speaker 2: condensed formation. Nobody outside the numbers here, you know, And

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Speaker 2: it's not just a Steelers came.

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Speaker 1: Metcraft and across the middle man. I tell you what

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Speaker 1: that is. A that is a locomotive when he gets

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Speaker 1: when he gets moving, that Peyton Wilson will running stride

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about those off the ball linebackers. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if Wilson could take a step forward, which I expect him.

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Speaker 1: To, becomes a quality starter. Yeah what third round.

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Speaker 2: Draft pick every down player, which I think is exactly

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Speaker 1: But if he's above average, like if he's like a

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Speaker 1: BAM B plus player, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: Totally, I think, particularly what you have in front of

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Speaker 1: once again going under center. Here, looks like we got

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Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson checking in at running back. Now, Nick Herbigs

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Speaker 1: I think Herbig was trying to get the defense on

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Speaker 1: that's one of those things I'm excited to see Aaron

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Speaker 2: Slipping happens a ton throughout his career, more than any

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Speaker 2: quarterback I can remember when he senses that indecision or

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Speaker 2: lack of communication on their side. Let's go, let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's go. I mean, he's so well known for and

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Speaker 2: no one's never done this better. Is defensive substitution, snaps

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Speaker 1: Of right play.

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Speaker 2: You guys don't enjoy watching that. Yeah, really frustrating to

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Speaker 1: Johnson here head, I tell you what stuck him. The

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Speaker 1: Friarmouth and Mason McCormick not too pleased with that.

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Speaker 2: One, nor should they be agree, took him down. McCormick

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Speaker 1: it was McCormick coming back over, but that was that

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Speaker 2: A little while since that was pretty real though.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty real. Uh So I would love.

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Speaker 2: The rewind button, but it would have looked like to me,

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Speaker 2: like you know, like a Russian sickle. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And immediately the other guys didn't like it. McCormick in

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Speaker 2: and then Fraser and him start throwing blows a little

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Speaker 2: yeah again, I think you're right to do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was anything malicious on why but

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Speaker 2: Mean, happens to be one hundred and fifty pounds heavier.

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Speaker 2: And the guy he had exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, and and yeah, and hey, I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin after that went right over to Fraser and

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Speaker 2: Be upset if the line didn't do that. You need

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Speaker 2: enforcers on the line. Pounds, you wouldn't let that fly.

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Speaker 2: That's just the way it works.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, Max talks about that all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to be enforcers at that position.

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Speaker 1: Totally, totally. And so hey, after a couple of days

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Speaker 1: of we're too nice to each other.

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Speaker 2: Out there, yeah they were kind of pleasant lately.

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Speaker 1: Labs is looking in here laughing at us right now.

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Speaker 1: As uh Mason Rudolph under center. He will fake it

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Speaker 1: to Trey Sermon throws downfield for Robert Woods able to

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Speaker 1: find a nice spot in covery Fiel the Woods up.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. I do, Yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 2: he's I think we're starting. That's a pretty inside track

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Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see it really from a

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Speaker 1: lot of these wide receivers. Yeah, Dk Metcalfe, you expect it,

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Speaker 2: They featured him from the start, Yes, exactly stands out.

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Speaker 1: He stands out. But Roman Wilson's had a couple solid

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Speaker 1: practices in a row. I think Robert Woods as well too.

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Speaker 1: Like we've talked about guys like Rock Taylor and Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Johnson shows up from time, So.

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Speaker 1: I do I like what we've seen from the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: I think they're starting to emerge a little bit here

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Speaker 1: and you know what to.

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Speaker 2: Call Hurlman, but he's out there getting more and a

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Speaker 2: lot of.

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Speaker 1: Targets over the last Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying that they're perfect at the receiver position,

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Speaker 3: but I do think some guys are starting to show

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Speaker 3: better feel for them, especially Woods.

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Speaker 2: I had never heard that. He's like, oh does that

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Speaker 1: They've got their grown man.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right. And it's funny too, Matt, Like, twenty six

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Speaker 1: Hey, Matt, I don't know about you, but Travis Kelsey's feeling.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And with that, we need to get to a break

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Speaker 1: Back on campus here at St. Vincent College. Practice ongoing

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Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Steelers Little special Teams period. Now defensive

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Speaker 2: Big guys are kind of chilling.

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Speaker 1: Big guys are kind of chilling. No more kerfuffles. No, right,

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I'd be offended if the old

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Speaker 2: Right right, absolutely right, And can't let it fly.

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Speaker 2: stuff of that nature, or save them for tomorrow Veteran's

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Speaker 2: day off that's in a row for Ramsey yep, to.

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Speaker 1: Row for Ramsey, which is uh, that'll be interesting to

437
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Speaker 1: me to see what happens to him tomorrow. You know,

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Speaker 1: you typically don't get two of that rins days off

439
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Speaker 1: in a row.

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Speaker 2: But right more to that than just veterans day.

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Speaker 1: Off, you know, and again maybe that's something that Mike

442
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Speaker 1: Toman will touch on today and his kind of post

443
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Speaker 1: practice rap. He'll also have his full Jacksonville Jaguars press

444
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Speaker 1: conference tomorrow at noon, which I believe we will be.

445
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Speaker 2: I can't help myself, dude, Robert Woods just muffed another

446
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Speaker 2: punt yesterday. He muffed like four out of five. This

447
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Speaker 2: one will clank wing right to the ground. Like, can

448
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Speaker 2: we end that experiment? Or I mean, I was just

449
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Speaker 2: praising him about how I'm liking more and more of

450
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Speaker 2: what he's doing a wide receiver, But every time he's

451
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Speaker 2: back there returning bar, it's the balls on the ground.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of those again you talk about the

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Speaker 1: number one thing that coaches have to have to put

454
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Speaker 1: you out there is trust.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's even going over I'm not sure

456
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Speaker 2: who he's talking to, but he's talking about his form.

457
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Speaker 2: His forum was terrible. His forum was like catching the

458
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Speaker 2: ball in front of him on one knee, Like that's

459
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Speaker 2: all you're taught to punch, punch punts at.

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Speaker 1: All, alligator arms style.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing? Let's end that experiment. That's

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Speaker 2: not work.

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Speaker 1: Looks like we're going to have another team period here

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Speaker 1: in front of us ones on once, so we will

465
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Speaker 1: bring you that here now as practice rolls along, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers in the huddle with the offense.

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Speaker 2: It's funny we were talking about usage and whatnot, and

468
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Speaker 2: only Cam Hayward's been in the team drill the entire

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Speaker 2: I don't think, ye right, I think. I mean the

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Speaker 2: days that he's quote practices are a lot different than everybody.

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Speaker 1: Else's, which is just fine with you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just keep doing it right and Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: In the shotgun Jalen Warren to his right over the middle,

474
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Speaker 1: quick hitter to Scottie Miller read the defense offf coverage

475
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Speaker 1: there right in front of one thorn hill out of

476
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Speaker 1: been a nice ten eleven yards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, offense, well done.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Cam Hayward is he's in the far side end zone,

479
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Speaker 1: has just been doing some conditioning stuff.

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Speaker 2: Is totally own agenda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine with me.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Just keep the big man limber and healthy and ready

484
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Speaker 1: to go for September.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Tomlin used to joke about him being in the pool.

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Speaker 2: I think every Wednesday he was in the like the conditioning. Yeah, yeah,

487
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Speaker 2: do your own thing. Play great play forever.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly right. You earn it as the offense

489
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Speaker 1: now will get their second crack at this wef Connor

490
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Speaker 1: Heyward split out wide with gain Well an quick hitter.

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Speaker 1: He just caught the defense sleep.

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Speaker 2: It's just what we were talking about an hour ago

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Speaker 2: about there's a little bit of miscommunication or a little

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Speaker 2: communication gaff with the defense. Ball comes out now boom,

495
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Speaker 2: you know, and man that that is specially.

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Speaker 1: If that happened in a live game, it would have

497
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Speaker 1: been up to Deshaun Elliott to make a tackle and

498
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Speaker 1: open field and if not, that would have been to

499
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Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, oh yeah for Roman Wilson as he

500
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Speaker 1: had all kinds of space. And yeah, this secondary today

501
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Speaker 1: obviously much different, kind of reworked with a lot of

502
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Speaker 1: those guys that we just named, uh not participating today.

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Speaker 2: So Rogers is gonna be kind to him.

504
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Speaker 1: They were not kind of the offense the first you know,

505
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Speaker 1: week or two of camp. Now now maybe today the

506
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Speaker 1: offense giving it back to him a little bit as

507
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Speaker 1: the ones will stay in there. Aaron Rodgers Jaalen Warren

508
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Speaker 1: bunch to the right side, but John hus Smith in motion,

509
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Speaker 1: he will move back into the bunch. There is Aaron

510
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Speaker 1: Rodgers lofts one down the left side, intended for Scotty Miller,

511
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Speaker 1: but just a little bit out of his reaching. Blitz

512
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Speaker 1: was coming, Blitz was coming. Well covered guy, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we'll go. I'm thinking so, but it looks like now,

514
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it looks like that Aaron Rodgers might

515
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Speaker 1: want another.

516
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Speaker 2: Rep Yreka some of the that the ones on defense

517
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Speaker 2: out here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the offensive line checking checking out.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some chefs. Rodger Jones is coming off.

520
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Speaker 1: Roder Joneses is running off, as is Jalen Warren. But

521
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Speaker 1: still looks like the rest of the first team offensive

522
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Speaker 1: line out there as well too. No, sayamalu. So you've

523
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Speaker 1: got Cook and Anderson on the left side, but Fraser

524
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Speaker 1: McCormick falpanu.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's wanting to give Cook at Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Maybe where Darnell Washington moves in motion from left to right,

527
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers signaling some stuff, the Roman Wilson and Scotty

528
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Speaker 1: Miller looking that way for Scotty Miller over the middle.

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Speaker 1: A nice little pocket of coverage there between one Thornhill

530
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Speaker 1: and Patrick Queen and another what would have been a

531
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Speaker 1: nice uh stick moving reception for the offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, it's another quick pressure and ball came

533
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Speaker 2: out boom it was it would not have been a

534
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Speaker 2: sack that was not a late in the down situation

535
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Speaker 2: and found it in breaking receiver. Boom hit him in stride.

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Speaker 2: Real Crisp Rogers had couple couple praes in room.

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Speaker 1: I agree, he's looked as sharp and as comfortable as

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Speaker 1: he has here this week so far. Are we still

539
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to say, like, move the sticks, move

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Speaker 1: the chains when they you know, do all this digital

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Speaker 1: measurement stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think those fellows are still out there.

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Speaker 1: Is that gonna be like could you tell your kid

544
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Speaker 1: now to roll down the window and they look at.

545
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Speaker 2: You like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Roll down the window? What does that mean? Move the chains?

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? What chains?

548
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Speaker 2: Chains? Yeah? Now that might be a dinosaur terminology here soon,

549
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Speaker 2: not for me and.

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Speaker 1: You, we'll get its. Rudolph in the shotgun. He's got

551
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Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson's sidecard to his right, Darnell Washington out there,

552
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Speaker 1: as is Robert Woods and John new Smith. The quick

553
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Speaker 1: throat of Darnell Washington For a nice little.

554
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Speaker 2: Like that, it'd be hard to drag to the ground

555
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Speaker 2: at that point.

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Speaker 1: Catch at five six yards pass the line of scrimmage,

557
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Speaker 1: but fall forward for another two or three yards. A

558
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Speaker 1: lot that that guy can do with that uh, that

559
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Speaker 1: body type and that skill set.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure, no question. I think they're getting more

561
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Speaker 2: and more involved with getting him more and more involved.

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Speaker 1: Cam Johnson was just booming the ball on the on

563
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Speaker 1: the other field as well too. That guy looks like

564
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Speaker 1: he is all the way back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he looks phenomenal, same as he didn't last camp.

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Speaker 1: JJ gawbreath in motion now move's left, returns right, shotgun

567
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Speaker 1: snapped back for Mason Rudolph and that one blown up

568
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Speaker 1: nicely by Jack Sawyer. But Rudolph will lobb it for

569
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Speaker 1: Robert Woods and it's just a little out of his reach.

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Speaker 2: It's the blitz period and they're gonna get home sometimes obviously.

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Speaker 1: Totally totally, and hey, I think there's been a lot

572
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Speaker 1: less of that lately, which has been good to see

573
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Speaker 1: a lot less of the defensive front wrecking with the

574
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Speaker 1: offense is trying to do before they even get going.

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Speaker 1: But that was a that was a good rep by

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Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer on our guy, Stephen Jones. He has.

577
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Speaker 2: I think they're quite pleased with what he's done.

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Speaker 1: I think so too, and if like like we've talked about,

579
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Speaker 1: he can give you some stuff on special teams as

580
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Speaker 1: well too. I think he's going to be in for

581
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Speaker 1: a successful rookie season.

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm getting fonder and fonder of his work.

583
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Speaker 1: Trips to the right hurlman in motion, Rudolph looking that

584
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Speaker 1: way now, gonna dump it back for Tray Sermon on

585
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Speaker 1: the opposite side of the field. Nice little pick up

586
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: there as uh, Jack Sawyer runs down the field and

587
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: tries to punch the ball out of his former Ohio

588
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Speaker 1: State Although I doubt that they played at the same time.

589
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Speaker 1: He was probably Sawyer was probably getting campus as Tray

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Speaker 1: Sermon was was.

591
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Speaker 2: Like year four or five, right, so at.

592
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Speaker 1: Most one year. But little little Buckeye on Buckeye crime

593
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: there down the field as those two are having some fun.

594
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Speaker 1: Uh Mason Ruffs still in the huddle there, it looks

595
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Speaker 1: like it, Yes, it is still Mason, still Mason Rudolph

596
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Speaker 1: for the offense.

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Speaker 2: You gott think Rudolph's reps in practice are going to

598
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Speaker 2: pick up.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of Howard absolutely think so.

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Speaker 2: You don't just give them all the Thompson.

601
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Speaker 1: No no, and you hey, you want Mason Rudolph to

602
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: stay sharp man. Yeah, as much as.

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Speaker 2: You know that's probably getting home, get that out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as much as like Mason Rudolph is a known

605
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Speaker 1: commodity at this station his career, you still want him

606
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Speaker 1: to get work, still want him to stay sharp as

607
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: uh he will now check out.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a six man pressure and then

609
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Speaker 2: they did really good job coverage behind it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got home quick there, and you're right, not not

611
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: much for for Mason Rudolph to work with behind the play.

612
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Speaker 1: M see a couple more reps here before we will

613
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Speaker 1: take a break here in this three o'clock hour practice.

614
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Speaker 1: Rolling on in front of us, a little team period

615
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Speaker 1: going on. Max Hurlman in the backfield with Skyler Thompson.

616
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Speaker 1: Now the big man, Darnell Washington goes in motion from

617
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Speaker 1: right to left, and we got a false start.

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Speaker 2: Many of those have it no funny, like, well, I'm

619
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Speaker 2: just gonna false start maybe all camp?

620
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely haven't. As that was I'm trying to figure

621
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Speaker 1: out who that was.

622
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Speaker 2: There, quick hitter to Hurlman there on the false start,

623
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Speaker 2: that was the right guard.

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Speaker 1: It was the right guard, yes, but yeah, nice quick

625
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: hitter to Hurlman. Is he continued to probably I think

626
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Speaker 1: that's who it was. I do believe seventy one. As

627
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Speaker 1: it looks like when Johnny Smith's gonna check in here,

628
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: as they continue to work, all these tight ends are

629
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Speaker 1: getting work with all the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's not. I mean, I know the depth

631
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Speaker 2: charts is Friar Moose won and he probably gonna get

632
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Speaker 2: the most work of all of them. But they're all

633
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Speaker 2: going to be used a lot in a lot of

634
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Speaker 2: different ways. I mean, it's an interesting group and an

635
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: interesting dynamic.

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00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith lined up out wide here, Now he will

637
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: move in motion more towards the slot. Thompson looking that way,

638
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: but he's well covered. Gonna dump it back across the

639
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: middle for Evan Hall, the Northwestern man, they are down

640
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Speaker 1: the sideline.

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Speaker 2: Curtsey what he does in preseason?

642
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, him and Hurleman both. You know, we've we've seen

643
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them in practice. We know that they're capable,

644
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Speaker 1: we know that they're versatile.

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00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: Hurlman's role keeps growing, it does. It's gona be catching passes.

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Speaker 2: He canna get a couple carried, yep.

647
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Speaker 1: And certainly, and I would expect that we'll see a

648
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Speaker 1: lot of that on Saturday Night. In Jacksonville for sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matt,

649
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: what do he said? We get to a break here.

650
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Speaker 1: We'll wrap up the three o'clock hour when we return

651
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Speaker 1: on the other side. We've got some Twitter questions we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to.

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Speaker 3: We've got if you want audio to play or around

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Speaker 3: the league segment.

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Speaker 1: All kinds of different stuff going on here as it's

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Speaker 1: another busy day on the campus of Saint Vincent College

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Speaker 1: here in Latrobe, another day of our full Steelers Nation

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Speaker 1: Radio coverage. Matt and I are with you until five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: The conclusion of practice, probably about a half an hour

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Speaker 1: way is Ooh. Max Hurlman just almost made a really

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Speaker 1: nice diving catch there, but just wasn't able to hold

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Speaker 1: to haul that one in. We'll continue to paint the

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Speaker 1: picture for you when we return. Wes Shuoler Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Rolling along here at practice for your Pittsburgh Steelers, the

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Speaker 1: penultimate practice of this week. One more tomorrow before we

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Speaker 1: all take off to Jacksonville on Friday. As Aaron Rode

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Speaker 1: now moving from right to left as the offensive switch

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Speaker 1: directions here and the ones are back on the field,

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Speaker 1: he'll dump that one off to Kenneth gain One, who's

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Speaker 1: just got to burst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really does. He shows up in this environment

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Speaker 2: really strong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good job thereby Dylan Cook working at left tackle,

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Speaker 1: who did a good.

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Speaker 2: Job working them in more and more. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's a knock on Jones. I just think that they're

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Speaker 2: pretty interested in Cook.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think you're absolutely right. And he did a

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Speaker 1: really good job on herbig there. Herbert tried to hit

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Speaker 1: him with a spin move and he stayed with him

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Speaker 1: the whole way.

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Speaker 2: This drill has been pretty intense, pretty high paid.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely has. It's been good to see. I think

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Speaker 1: the last two days. This week has been a yeah,

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Speaker 1: stepping up an you know, I think they could tell

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Speaker 1: they're starting to get to that point. It's separation time,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you've got a preseason

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Speaker 1: game coming up, and everybody wants to make sure they're

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Speaker 1: getting their reps and their opportunity.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of left tackle, I think it's noteworthy though

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Speaker 2: that Jones and Ciamal who are just kind of by

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Speaker 2: themselves here. I won't want to say resting, but they're

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Speaker 2: not with the other I'm been ready to come in

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Speaker 2: the game. I think the left side of the lines is

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Speaker 2: kind of getting a break. But I also think you

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Speaker 2: need to get cooked some reps if you're not happy

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Speaker 2: to Jones, you know what I mean, he's not out

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Speaker 2: of the woods as this guy is going to be

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Speaker 2: a star, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I need to have a trust factor with Cook.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best.

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Speaker 2: With Calvin Anderson being out totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're already thinner than you want to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and see, you.

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Speaker 1: Better have some people that you can rely on, some

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Speaker 1: people that you can trust. Oh man, we've got Mason

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Speaker 1: Rudolph here operating with Caleb Johnson to his right now

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Speaker 1: with the twos in the fold, Max Harlaman gonna move

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Speaker 1: in motion. We continue to say his name a lot

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Speaker 1: a lot out here at practice, as they will have

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Speaker 1: trips to the left for Mason Rudolph and he's back,

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Speaker 1: he's looking, and he's dumping that one over the middle

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Speaker 1: to JJ Gallbreath for a nice pick up.

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Speaker 2: Golbreth keeps showing up too. I just don't think there's

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Speaker 2: any tight end, you know, spots for him, but it's

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Speaker 2: been tight ends in the past to do that, and

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Speaker 2: they end up on the practice squad and they end

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Speaker 2: up calling him up with an injury or whatever. But

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Speaker 2: he snags the ball away from his frame. He sure

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Speaker 2: does run pretty well too.

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Speaker 1: He can he can move. Like I said it, it's

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Speaker 1: there's there's four very established tight ends in front of him.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's doing everything he can to at

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Speaker 1: least get in that conversation and going to be a

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Speaker 1: couple of big preseason games for him as well. Certainly

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Speaker 1: as Mason Rudolph now will break the huddle, this time

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Speaker 1: with Tray Sermon to his right. He's got a trio

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Speaker 1: of receivers to the right as well, to Connor Hayward

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Speaker 1: to the left. Another one. He's bunch formations that Matt

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Speaker 1: them talking about here with Hurlaman in motion once again,

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Speaker 1: Steelers will bring blitz. Rudolph, looking able to get rid

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Speaker 1: of it, throws one downfield on a nice completetion sh

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Speaker 1: to Johnson, Yeah, down the field, kind of able to

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Speaker 1: pluck that one.

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Speaker 2: Makes him play a game or play a practice does

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Speaker 2: Yeah he does. It's a gutsy throw and made a

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Speaker 2: nice adjustment on the ball.

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Speaker 1: Third year man out of UCF And yeah, he went

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Speaker 1: up in kind of high pointed that one over top

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Speaker 1: a beanie Bishop who wasn't able to get turned around

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Speaker 1: and find it just in time. As the offense continues,

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Speaker 1: Matt to find some footing here this week.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely a little more rhythm at all levels. Not just Rogers,

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Speaker 2: who you would expect to have picked it up and

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Speaker 2: he has, but even these two's two oh line Rudolph hurlman,

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Speaker 2: I mean hurlman, I mean again.

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Speaker 1: Ocean once again here on this rep. Rudolph looking that

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Speaker 1: way instead, he's gonna dump it off to Kenneth Gainwell,

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Speaker 1: who picks up some nice blocks in.

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Speaker 2: The o Linmon leading the way for him. I think

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Speaker 2: that was a design all along. Look everybody off, dump

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Speaker 2: it the game well with a couple of linemen leading

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Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And we've seen more of that kind of screen

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Speaker 1: game stuff from the Steelers out here as did as well.

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Speaker 1: Too encouraging to see.

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Speaker 2: It is it is, alright, what else we got going here?

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Speaker 2: Looks like we got we got Skylar.

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Speaker 1: Thompson checking in now, yeah, along with some of the

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Speaker 1: some of the third team defense as well two as

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Speaker 1: a couple of the defensive backs will move way down

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Speaker 1: the field to get a better look at this.

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Speaker 2: As much it's a make a trick. He kind of

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Speaker 2: see thing as a deep center field or they'd watch

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Speaker 2: practice from you know, deep in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: Yep. It looks like one thorn hill and maybe Miles

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Speaker 1: killer Brew taking a knee back there now just almost

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Speaker 1: did it. Skyler Thompson operating from the shotgun here, he

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Speaker 1: gets the snap he's looking right now, moves up in

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Speaker 1: the pocket nicely and lets one fly for a nice

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Speaker 1: reception there over the middle of the field. As as

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Speaker 1: the team period continues ongoing in front of us here,

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Speaker 1: mister Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Nice pressure there from Dominique Davis defensive tackle at a

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Speaker 2: UNC Pembrooke. Can't say I'm familiar with his work, but

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Speaker 2: he's a real wide body knows tackle type. But he

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Speaker 2: got good penetration on that one.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and that was like a six white guy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: big wide. He's got that low center of gravity out

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Speaker 1: there right now. I can see him moving around on

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Speaker 1: the interior of that defensive line as Skyler Thompson will

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Speaker 1: continue to operate in the shotgun with Max Harlaman in

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Speaker 1: motion once again. Evan Hall is out there as well too,

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Speaker 1: and the snap is back looking downfield, you unleash one

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Speaker 1: for Rock Taylor and just a little.

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Speaker 2: Little bit little gravy there by the corner.

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Speaker 1: Little gravy, A little gravvy by the corner on that one.

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Speaker 1: Was that Darryl Porter trying to see they got the

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Speaker 1: crop top numbers rolled up.

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Speaker 2: In the so the build looks like him and I

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Speaker 2: think he wears the beanie on.

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Speaker 1: He does, he sure does. Whar's the uh yeah, what

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Speaker 1: are those things called? Right? That's right? Yes, exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 1: As that was a nice downfield throw there, that was

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Speaker 1: That was Daryl Porter, nice down field throw there by.

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Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson just a little out of the reach of

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Speaker 1: Rock Taylor. Matt. We've gotten some tweets and things that

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Speaker 1: we can get to as well too. Here throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of the show, Steelers standard tweets us and says,

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Speaker 1: can you say, can you guys, can you say with confidence?

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Speaker 1: Part of me, can you say with confidence that the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are good enough at wide receiver?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean that's a big statement right right right now.

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Speaker 2: I think adding Johnny Smith and being as as strong

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Speaker 2: as you are a tight end certainly helps. But there

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Speaker 2: are gonna be situations when you're losing by eight with

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Speaker 2: six minutes on the clock and you want a lot

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Speaker 2: of dynamic weapons out there that aren't tight ends. And

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Speaker 2: I think you're below the league average and that that

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Speaker 2: regard for sure. Let alone. If Metcalf misses any time,

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you're extremely extremely weak there.

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Speaker 2: So No, I do think that we've seen some progress

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Speaker 2: from Wilson, and I think we know who Austin is

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Speaker 2: at this point. Austin a year ago was one of

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Speaker 2: my crossroad players, and I think he crossed the roads

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Speaker 2: or whatever, you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, right right.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure a year ago He's some injuries before this.

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Speaker 2: I think Willon's starting to show that as well. I

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Speaker 2: think Woods is an NFL receiver. But I would like

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Speaker 2: another threat totally. Yeah, to say that I'm confident, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a big word.

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Speaker 1: I feel better about the wide receiver room than I

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Speaker 1: did this time last year.

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Speaker 2: And I feel better about it than I did a

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Speaker 2: week ago.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 2: But I can't say that I'm However, that question was

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Speaker 2: structured hundred percent confident or whatever. No, can you.

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Speaker 1: Say with confidence that the Steelers are good enough at

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Speaker 1: wide receiver? That was the way that was phrased. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying with confidence that they're

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Speaker 1: terrible at wide receiver either. No, but I think I'm

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Speaker 1: with you one more, one more.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's probably their weakest position group, I think.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Metcalf carries a lot of weight. Didn't

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Speaker 2: the counter opposite or the counter to that, But I

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Speaker 2: think it's probably their their weakest position.

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Speaker 1: It certainly might be. It certainly might be, which is

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Speaker 1: something that we will continue to keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: and monitor as the As the t heads into a

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Speaker 1: special teams period here in front of us.

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Speaker 2: LJ tweets the lefty kicker coming up, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Ben saals Corlis weightman holding for him as he has

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Speaker 1: been throughout camp, saws drills that one. LJ tweets us

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Speaker 1: and says, seeing some posts that Caleb Johnson has struggled

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Speaker 1: with pass protection. If so, is that fixable short term

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Speaker 1: or is that more of a long term problem.

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Speaker 2: I think it's true. I mean that I'm called a work.

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Speaker 1: In progress has gone along.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he did not come. He even not

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Speaker 2: become a Pittsburgh Steeler as an accomplished past protector. And

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Speaker 2: side note of this running back class rookies across the league,

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Speaker 2: there was only like one or two that were good,

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Speaker 2: and they were guys that were actually asked to do

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Speaker 2: more than him. So I wonder that, I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is kind of a college thing for you is in

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Speaker 2: the world and I know this is what they asked,

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Speaker 2: but hey, this is when you can take Yeah. Sometimes

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00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: this class of rookies across the league at receiver and

870
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: running back were like the worst group of draftable blockers.

871
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: I've seen it running back in wide receiver and I

872
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: throw it to you. I wonder, in the world of

873
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: nil does the nineteen year old say, I don't. I

874
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: was excited to do the dirty work. I got some

875
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: money in the bank, you know what I mean. Like

876
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: the Ohio State kids were great Henderson.

877
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: Pro style offense, and there's more competition.

878
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: You could get benched even if you're an nil guy.

879
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: You know, But across the draft class that it was

880
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: a very weak group of past protectors running back and

881
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: run blockers at wide receiver. I'm just wondering if that's

882
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: the beginning of a trend. I mean, we know college

883
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: football changes very rapidly.

884
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, listen, with the money involved, now, I don't

885
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: think you're being too cynical to bring that in. No, right, right, right,

886
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: These guys have less incentive to go put their face

887
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: in the fan than ever, sure, because they're already making

888
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: decent money. I think part of it is more and more.

889
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: And listen, there's still a lot of programs that do

890
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: run pro style offenses in college football. But there's a

891
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: lot of spread you out, there's a lot of you know,

892
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: whether it's air raid or run and shoot style spread

893
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: however you want to describe it, offenses in collegiate football

894
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's a big part of it.

895
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: And I also this might be one of those I

896
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: don't know, like the things that you would typically say

897
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: that like, you know, like okay, Boomer, you know what

898
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Nobody would say it an old person. But

899
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I also I think there's a real almost touchy feely,

900
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: almost like a real jump scare for college coaches now

901
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: to coach their guys.

902
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: Hard right right right because you're not blocking.

903
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: If I if I get on this guy's backside and

904
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: he's not doing things right and I'm screaming, yell at him,

905
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: he's just gonna transfer.

906
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: He's gonna transfer, right. No, it's kind of I threw

907
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: it to you. College game is so much better than

908
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: I do.

909
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a very weird, dico, because.

910
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: Am I going to die on that hill as a coach?

911
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 1: Am I going to die on that as a coach?

912
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: And then and then lose this guy in four months

913
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: when the transfer portal opens, and man, like I just

914
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: I a lot of times I think some of that

915
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: stuff is you know, can be exaggerated. But I do

916
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 1: think that there was like this.

917
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: Which is unusual in this class.

918
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just an exception, you know what I meane,

919
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Next year, next year and you know, there's a bunch

920
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: of Ruman Wilson pipes at the wide receiver position and

921
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: then guys who are willing to go.

922
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Into changing at college football.

923
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Lots changing and you know what to like, it's just

924
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: you could totally see that right how the money and

925
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: the portal and because of that, coaches.

926
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: Man, these guys on my butt about blocking in the

927
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: run game.

928
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: Handle these guys with kid gloves, you know, more than

929
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: ever before. At the same time, though, like that's isn't

930
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: that a weird kind of juxtaposition or like dichotomy, because

931
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: the best players always want to be coached, you know

932
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like point blank period, the best players

933
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: want to be coached.

934
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: And poor block, poor pass protecting running backs entering the

935
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: league has gone on since the dawna time. It's really

936
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: really hard and if most programs, if you're at NFL

937
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: running back, you're probably going out on a route or

938
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: getting the ball, you know what I mean, Like they

939
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: don't want their star necessarily protecting. But this group was

940
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: really really poor, and Johnson's one of them. But Johnson

941
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: has a little more excuse than some of them in

942
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: that they didn't throw the ball.

943
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of opportunity the entire season, right.

944
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean it was like the lowest passing offense in

945
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: all of college football.

946
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: Yes, no, it absolutely was, and I think certainly, but

947
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't.

948
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: Think it's a long term thing. Back to the question,

949
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: I don't either if we're in Week eight or if

950
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: we're sitting here next year and he's bad at it,

951
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: well then I'm worried, but it's gonna take time.

952
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Rich tweets us and says, now that Will Howard is injured, Well,

953
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: we only win sixteen games. You're catching on, rich You're

954
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that we like around here, buddy, Yeah.

955
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, as Hey. I love the enthusiasm for Will Howard,

956
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: but it's been a little crazy when you mentioned anything

957
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: that he's not going to be a star.

958
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: And Matt, yeah, I agree with you on that, But

959
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: I also the other side of that is always we

960
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: have to remember they call all these people out here

961
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: and all these amongst Steeler Nation fans, right, and that's

962
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: short for a fanatic, That's exactly right. I still remember

963
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: every year as a kid, there was some player that

964
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: was drafted in the fifth or sixth or seventh round

965
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: that was gonna end up being a future gold Jets

966
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: and you can't wait to see him out there that far.

967
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I was the one pound on the table

968
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: for some time for Breck Keesel the whole you know,

969
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: da draft and no receipts on that one for me

970
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: to produce there. But yeah, that was a good one

971
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: from Rich. Let's do this. Let's take another break here.

972
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Special team is going on. We'll maybe bring you the

973
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: conclusion of the final periods of practice on the other side.

974
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Get to some of these tweets as well too. We

975
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: also have some comments to play from Roman Wilson, from TJ. Watt,

976
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: from a couple others that we will get to in

977
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: the final hour of the program as well. So plenty

978
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: of moving and shaking in our final bonus hour when

979
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: we return West Shuler Matt Williams said, it's a special

980
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: edition of The Drive Live at Training Camp twenty twenty

981
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: five on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.