Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club.
Speaker 2: If I could.
Speaker 1: Turn back time, vac found away, if I can reach
Speaker 1: the stars, ravac.
Speaker 2: No to you, that man of dads, of man you.
Speaker 1: Say, who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.
Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books
Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine killed.
Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martinis foor celeb Poop Club.
Speaker 2: Read it while it's hot. Celevety poop Club. Tell your secrets.
Speaker 3: We won't talk celebrity books.
Speaker 2: No, boys are a loud celebty book say it loud
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Speaker 1: Celevetly Poop Club.
Speaker 2: Spuzz me in. I brought the queer vow.
Speaker 1: Hey, best friend, how are you?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? I'm okay, yeah, thank you me too.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that we're already several weeks into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five? Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: I can share.
Speaker 2: Let's just you guys know it. We're in part two
Speaker 2: a share right now. I'm just gonna say it. She
Speaker 2: did a hilarious skit once after the Sunny and Share
Speaker 2: show ended and she had her solo show called just
Speaker 2: the Share Show, and she was like, it was the
Speaker 2: funniest skit ever. It was me Elton, John Bette Mittler,
Speaker 2: and it was them all doing a skit about being
Speaker 2: at a senior home in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: It literally takes place in twenty twenty five. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: that's in soon? Is it? Like so robots?
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't she mentioned in the book, I
Speaker 2: haven't gone on the youtubes and the archives and found it.
Speaker 1: We need to pull that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's like, we were just laughing.
Speaker 1: We were laughing hard.
Speaker 2: We had a time.
Speaker 1: I bet it was like probably just kind of Jetsons
Speaker 1: and like there's a robot made. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was probably them on like wheelchairs
Speaker 2: being star like take me to the Bingo area, yeah
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do if I were writing that
Speaker 1: skit today.
Speaker 2: And maybe they had like slim futuristic headbands.
Speaker 1: Ye, star Trek styles, you could see that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were promised flying cars and here we are in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five and all we have.
Speaker 2: Is teslas crashing into things.
Speaker 1: And shitty cell phone service. Sorry, why can't I get reception?
Speaker 1: An elevator? It's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Five and what's the deal with the iPhone updates?
Speaker 1: I will say it. Actually, it's bad, it's horrible.
Speaker 2: Did share you didn't predict that, just like goofy little symbols, didn't.
Speaker 1: Protect yourself, just being on Twitter and like having really
Speaker 1: bad grandmar and.
Speaker 2: Just being like huskies lost today, singing sun Malibu, just.
Speaker 1: Like a completely random spoken word artist Stuporando.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we were saying, everything now on the iPhone
Speaker 2: is like a sharper image digital frame where everything is
Speaker 2: a pet memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's full shutter fly. You can't find anything in there.
Speaker 1: They just want you to like live in your memories.
Speaker 2: I know. It's like I don't have to be nostalgic
Speaker 2: for two days ago, right, it's like you got drinks
Speaker 2: with Stephen again. You're lucky the paw symbol on like
Speaker 2: my cat, And I'm always like hoping they're going to
Speaker 2: reveal something more if it's so futuristic. I'm just being like,
Speaker 2: like her ancestry, her ancestry or ancestry. They're like, she's
Speaker 2: actually too possessed Egyptian Mau.
Speaker 1: You're obsessed with wanting her to be Egyptian. Maybe she's
Speaker 1: not Lily No.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's an Egyptian.
Speaker 1: You have to live with the fact that your cat
Speaker 1: might just be like extremely domestic.
Speaker 2: She's a domestic long hair. I do believe, I do declare,
Speaker 2: I do declare domestic hair.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, speaking of othern act sense. So I watched
Speaker 1: the incredible share film for which she was nominated for
Speaker 1: any Academy awar day, Silkwood, So that's nice, which is
Speaker 1: like a tear jerker drama.
Speaker 2: Real factory, Southern Gothic.
Speaker 1: Based on a true story about a whistleblower at a
Speaker 1: nuclear plant in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Now the whistleblower is played by the one and only.
Speaker 1: Mary Meryl Street. And wait, have you seen Silquin?
Speaker 2: I guess you remember I sent you a photo of
Speaker 2: me watching it.
Speaker 1: That didn't come through because of the OS. I only
Speaker 1: know it because on Will and Grace, Jack wants references,
Speaker 1: just wanting to have a cozy night in and just
Speaker 1: watch Silkwood. So, like, since I was twelve, Silkwood has
Speaker 1: had this kind of valance for me, as this just
Speaker 1: like gay cozy movie that like obviously involves a woman
Speaker 1: in some way because silk is like a feminine word.
Speaker 1: But that was I didn't know anything else about it same.
Speaker 2: I didn't know because I was like, Okay, I've seen
Speaker 2: Struck a thousand times and it's like one of my
Speaker 2: favorite movies. So I was like, let me watch another
Speaker 2: share flick, and she talks about I think in the
Speaker 2: book we're reading, but maybe.
Speaker 1: No kind of ends right before it's era.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it must have been an interview I saw
Speaker 2: with her. So because this book basically ends with her
Speaker 2: feeling like she really wants to act but no one
Speaker 2: will take her seriously.
Speaker 1: I would argue, okay, let me just say that. So good,
Speaker 1: but yeah, brilliant Share. She plays a lesbian with a
Speaker 1: wolf cut with like an eighties mullet wolf cut like
Speaker 1: Oklahoma style, all.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's like Meryl also has a mullet in it,
Speaker 2: but like ERR's is like curlier her style. It's like
Speaker 2: them rolling up in their bustial Honda to like the
Speaker 2: factory in this opening scene, and they're all in like
Speaker 2: little single stitch thrash teas and five.
Speaker 1: Oh one ty of ones that are just like kind
Speaker 1: of high waisted, like falling off, and they're all just
Speaker 1: like thin because they're like poor, but.
Speaker 2: And like all sleeping in the same crazy.
Speaker 1: Like live in this hillbilly house together, but they love
Speaker 1: each other having fun. There was like popping shiners, and
Speaker 1: I love any movie also that shows you, like the
Speaker 1: fun camaraderie underbelly of a workplace, like Made in Manhattan
Speaker 1: is kind of one of those.
Speaker 2: For Melkwood. It's like basically when you get to see
Speaker 2: the locker rooms of let's say made factory or a hotel.
Speaker 1: The locker rooms of a non sports job, to me
Speaker 1: is always like, oh right, they have lockers too.
Speaker 2: Women and lockers. Yes, women have lockers, but they're not
Speaker 2: for like jerseys, and it's not like me a ham yes.
Speaker 1: Or something, the ham less women's lockers. I think it's
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 2: It's actually such a spooky moment. Watch the spooky moment
Speaker 2: if you realize, like you know, this nuclear waste movie
Speaker 2: is they come in one kind of the oldest Southern
Speaker 2: woman is like putting on her wig and she's like, well,
Speaker 2: my hair is turning green and fallen out, so I
Speaker 2: wear this wig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like then you start realized they're all being
Speaker 1: poisoned by blue o meum exposure at this plan. You know,
Speaker 1: it was the eighties, we didn't know better, but they
Speaker 1: did know better, and it's so Ambrockovich and that's like,
Speaker 1: ultimately company is evil, et cetera. And so it becomes
Speaker 1: this like interesting political drama, but it's also a personal
Speaker 1: drama and soma and a southern drama and Share being
Speaker 1: a lesbian and then like when she sleeps with the
Speaker 1: blonde girl and then she's like, this is Darlene. She's
Speaker 1: a beautician, introducing her to Mail Streep and her and
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell are both so freaked out, and then they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't out of mind, out of mind at all
Speaker 1: way of mine either. Then while we're talking about it, well.
Speaker 2: We let's just stop talking about it if we don't mind.
Speaker 1: They're like freaked out but also being chill about Shares lesbianism.
Speaker 2: It's cool also to see Share play Southern, because she
Speaker 2: usually plays kind of New York.
Speaker 1: What I think is incredible about that film is and
Speaker 1: I maybe I haven't seen enough Share films, but she's
Speaker 1: so good in it. She absolutely deserved the nomination. I
Speaker 1: don't know who won that year, so I don't want
Speaker 1: to say she deserved the win, but she definitely deserve
Speaker 1: the nod. She disappears into this role so deeply, so completely,
Speaker 1: you don't see like seventies funny comedic share anymore. Like yes,
Speaker 1: she still has that like sassy share edge where she's
Speaker 1: dead pan and funny, but like you like fully believe
Speaker 1: that she is, for Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: A newcomer actress, which any way she was.
Speaker 1: Yes, because she hadn't been famous for acting at all
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 2: I need you to see Moonstruck, like so desperately.
Speaker 1: Your girlfriend forbade me for watching it without you.
Speaker 2: Right because she was like, you need to come over
Speaker 2: and watch him Cameron Mannheim style, but you're gonna flipping
Speaker 2: freak your ass.
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
Speaker 2: She plays a woman Italian woman in Carol Gardens. Curly hair,
Speaker 2: dead pan, she's engaged this Italian guy who you can
Speaker 2: tell she's not in loveless and he's in love with
Speaker 2: his mother of course, and it's that thing where you
Speaker 2: realize in the movie she's thirty six and everyone's just
Speaker 2: being like you're fucking.
Speaker 1: Yea, you're dead.
Speaker 2: You need to marry this man or like go die,
Speaker 2: And it's about like Italians and Karl Gardens in the eighties,
Speaker 2: and what happens basically she falls in love with her
Speaker 2: fiance's brother, who is Nick Cage.
Speaker 1: Who is a baker actually so Hunter Biden honestly.
Speaker 2: Well, no, the brother's sole in life. He's just visiting
Speaker 2: his dying mother in Sicily. Oh and the brothers don't speak.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's even less loud.
Speaker 2: And Nick Cage is being so hot and like, wife,
Speaker 2: please her bakery doesn't have an like a hand. He
Speaker 2: has a fake hand.
Speaker 1: Nick Cage is a fake hand, yes, oh, and that's
Speaker 1: why she's into him.
Speaker 2: And he's like such a crazy top and has always
Speaker 2: taken her to the opera and like is so like yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's like throwing her around and it's crazy and
Speaker 2: she's been like anyway, she's just being like Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, No,
Speaker 2: this can't happen, Johnny, and olympiad caucuses in it. The
Speaker 2: dad from Fraser is in it. It's just she transferms
Speaker 2: so much because you're like Schaer, you're known as being
Speaker 2: the most like glamorous, like right us jock babest woman
Speaker 2: and she's just like playing this like you know when
Speaker 2: you pass a woman in New York who's so beautiful
Speaker 2: but you know probably has a lot of demons, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I usually don't see women as wide around.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, they don't smell, you don't see them,
Speaker 2: so they're registered for me. If you were to open
Speaker 2: your eyes for once and you saw a woman walking
Speaker 2: with a few bags, maybe she's a single woman, and
Speaker 2: I already.
Speaker 1: Like something is troubling her. Once. I remember having this
Speaker 1: feeling on the train once to Massay from party.
Speaker 2: It was the first time you saw woman.
Speaker 1: The first time I saw a wman. I was seated
Speaker 1: across from her, and I just could tell by her
Speaker 1: dress she was obviously rich, middle age. She was troubled,
Speaker 1: and I knew. I was like, I bet she's getting
Speaker 1: off in pros. She did, and I was like, she's
Speaker 1: probably going to like her husband's house, and like she's
Speaker 1: like wanting to divorce but can't but can't right now
Speaker 1: because she's too accustomed to the lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Right. They can care for each other, but she's not
Speaker 2: in love.
Speaker 1: I love, and that's why they're like separate, and they're
Speaker 1: both like using asma ones not there in Paris and acts.
Speaker 1: And I was just like I could just read it
Speaker 1: all on her face. But she was caught very beautiful,
Speaker 1: very classy.
Speaker 2: Shares such an amazing actress, and it's I think I
Speaker 2: saw Moonstruck at a very young age my parents, And
Speaker 2: of course I had known, like you know, knew if
Speaker 2: I could turn back to him the songs. But I
Speaker 2: think I really maybe saw her as a gay icon
Speaker 2: in kind of culture, but knew her as like a
Speaker 2: serious actress, and for so long her career and especially
Speaker 2: covered in this book, no one considers her a serious actress.
Speaker 2: And she said this thing about Silkwood. She went with
Speaker 2: a few of her girlfriends to go to a theater
Speaker 2: in LA when it came out, and she said, when
Speaker 2: the credits started rolling, you know, Meryl Street, people applauded,
Speaker 2: Kurt Russell applauded. When the name Cher came on, people
Speaker 2: just started laughing in the movie theater, and she was
Speaker 2: kind of just in the back there to see the
Speaker 2: public perception because people were like, Share the woman on
Speaker 2: the Sunny and Share show who sings gypsies, tramps and thieves.
Speaker 2: She wants to be a nuclear way like exposed.
Speaker 1: Hey, okay, George Bush her movie Wait, but they started
Speaker 1: laughing after the credits at the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: opening credits, opening credits, right, and then she proved them
Speaker 1: all wrong. Yes, by disappearing to the rousso completely. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I would argue Chare has three acts to her career.
Speaker 1: The first act is her music crews Honey and Cher
Speaker 1: that I think I would also break into two different
Speaker 1: pieces because there's the music part and then they become
Speaker 1: TV comedians. Yes, because the music part starts to like
Speaker 1: not be as popular like during the war, and their
Speaker 1: politics were not really along with the like more hippie
Speaker 1: music that's popular. But then her second act is basically
Speaker 1: when this book ends, which is the eighties, like her
Speaker 1: Oscar winning movie career, and then her music revival career.
Speaker 2: Of which is I would say a little more.
Speaker 1: Maybe the peak of her music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I could turn back time, kind of more stadium,
Speaker 2: not slow rock, but it's like it's a hard rock visual.
Speaker 2: When I say like hard rock, like truly hard rock cafe,
Speaker 2: like I'm talking leather jackets, it's teased hair.
Speaker 1: It's like nod in metal, power rock.
Speaker 2: Can we Yeah, it's a power stadium kind of.
Speaker 1: Operatic, yes, and then she's in this phase until the
Speaker 1: phase that I kind of knew her as, which is
Speaker 1: like in the late nineties she becomes this gay icon. Okay,
Speaker 1: can get out of my head and then she becomes
Speaker 1: this like drag queen gay icon that like everyone loves
Speaker 1: and they're just like, oh, Share, You're like so ageless
Speaker 1: and like plastic surgery and like coming out with full
Speaker 1: club bangers that like, right, this is when she Believe,
Speaker 1: like the number one song in nineteen y yate in
Speaker 1: the country like for the year, right, And that's.
Speaker 2: Really how we like, Yes, maybe like I was watching Minster,
Speaker 2: but it's like Believe came out. We were like, this
Speaker 2: is Share. And then at that same time was Will
Speaker 2: and Grace and Jack being obsessed with Share and being like, right,
Speaker 2: gay guys love Share.
Speaker 1: And I didn't get into her music, and like Madonna,
Speaker 1: obviously it was obsessed with her music when I started
Speaker 1: being gay at age twelve, but I like Share. I
Speaker 1: I didn't really know I, but like then I put
Speaker 1: into the club music. I was like, oh, this is fun,
Speaker 1: Like we're dancing to this, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Believe was being played on Kiss one O eight,
Speaker 2: like I was rocking out to Believe. And then I think,
Speaker 2: like in high school, when I started like discovering records,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna buy this dollar Share record
Speaker 2: Gypsy Trampsynthie's and get into like the seventy stuff and
Speaker 2: it seems so kind of novelty.
Speaker 1: Right because you were lying along with I was like,
Speaker 1: she's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: She's ridiculous, she's on a horse. Yeah, And I just
Speaker 2: want to clear up something that I have to say personally.
Speaker 2: This summer, I said to a group of friends. They
Speaker 2: asked me what's more important to you? Share? Drama, slash,
Speaker 2: gossip first, oysters? Rank them an order of what's most
Speaker 2: important to you? And I said number one, share right,
Speaker 2: number two, drama, number three, oysters.
Speaker 1: Liar.
Speaker 2: Everyone on this lesbian vacation called me a fucking liar,
Speaker 2: and they're like, Lily, you love gossip, you love oysters?
Speaker 2: Like why are you trying to pretend that you love share?
Speaker 1: And I don't doubt that you appreciate Share, But even
Speaker 1: to this day, after we read this four hundred page
Speaker 1: book and like are boning up on our share trivia,
Speaker 1: I would still say that gossip and oysters are more
Speaker 1: important to you than Share.
Speaker 2: I guess I just want to say, on a daily basis,
Speaker 2: at nineteen, who is I for Halloween? Share? What's a
Speaker 2: movie I watch? Over your Moonstone.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, I mean evidence is piling up.
Speaker 2: I see you mean I do think in general, probably
Speaker 2: drama and gossip, Like what do we doing this podcast?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Gossip? Probably that is number one. Honestly, I love oysters,
Speaker 2: but oysters to me sometimes can feel so dollar oysters
Speaker 2: in importance, Like yes, maybe I'm having oysters more than
Speaker 2: I take.
Speaker 1: It's almost I'm a show luxury and the stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and I'm like in importance of life and culture.
Speaker 2: I respect shares so much, but I can see how
Speaker 2: everyone form your own opinion and post.
Speaker 1: I guess the thing about the original question, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like what could you not live without? And if
Speaker 1: you had to go a month without share or a
Speaker 1: month without oysters, and let's make it hard. Okay, the
Speaker 1: month of July.
Speaker 2: Right where it's like you all of July without oysters.
Speaker 1: Because I think you could probably make a month without share.
Speaker 2: I have to go July without Share, Like I start
Speaker 2: pressing believe and then I get zapped with a dog collar. Right,
Speaker 2: it's not July, and I'm trying to cozy up and
Speaker 2: watch Silkwood.
Speaker 1: A silk July is not for silkwood.
Speaker 2: So you're probably right, there, like I'll call myself.
Speaker 4: In like literally maybe what seasonal it seasonal effective share disorder, celet.
Speaker 4: I want to read a quote here, you know, now
Speaker 4: that we've talked about her films and basically kind of
Speaker 4: the last line of the book spoiler alert, not really
Speaker 4: where she's already friends with Frances for Copla because she's
Speaker 4: sow in the Hollywood scene and like cher is like
Speaker 4: not a activist, but she's kind of like she likes
Speaker 4: to be a Hollywood dem and I think she still is,
Speaker 4: and she's very like, you know, we were friends with
Speaker 4: Francis for Coppola, and we loved that Marlon Brando didn't
Speaker 4: show up to the Oscars and sent like a woman
Speaker 4: from this tribe to like accept.
Speaker 2: His awards of protest. Yes, but she was, and of
Speaker 2: course we said, like a full Jimmy Hendrix, like Woods
Speaker 2: dot Genis Choplin, like lighting herself on fire in the street.
Speaker 1: No, never saw him.
Speaker 2: Later anyway, she was like, Frances, can we talk? He
Speaker 2: just went for The Godfather. Sitting together in my dressing
Speaker 2: room at Caesar's Palace, Frances and I reminisced. He told
Speaker 2: me how much he'd enjoyed my show and then, after
Speaker 2: Breese pause, added why aren't you making movies? I almost
Speaker 2: burst into tears and thought, how were you seeing something
Speaker 2: in me that no one else does? Instead, I told
Speaker 2: him about the rejections that had been for being too old,
Speaker 2: too ethnic, too tall, too type cast. I was Share
Speaker 2: of Sonny, and Share made a punchline from my complicated
Speaker 2: personal life. I explained how producers and directors insisted could
Speaker 2: only ever do TV comedy, never anything serious or real.
Speaker 2: Frances was sympathetic, but added the problem is that until
Speaker 2: you do something, nobody will believe you can. If you're
Speaker 2: really serious about acting, Share, then stop fucking around and
Speaker 2: go to New York. And that's how the book ends
Speaker 2: chills any one, Yeah, to New York City.
Speaker 1: Wait for part two in two years.
Speaker 2: It's just funny because I feel like people that you
Speaker 2: want to be a movie star moved to LA but
Speaker 2: he's seriously Broadway, honey, New York or meet with the screenwriters,
Speaker 2: the intellectuals, you know.
Speaker 1: And that was because she had really cut her teeth
Speaker 1: in the TV comedy world and become a real star.
Speaker 1: And of course the thing is she's so good in television.
Speaker 1: So I was staying earlier. The first act of a
Speaker 1: career was kind of sunny and Share mooties, So they
Speaker 1: were singing together that kind of like doesn't totally work
Speaker 1: out for them, and they they real they need to pivot,
Speaker 1: and so the kind of part B of her Act
Speaker 1: one is their TV show and this is what really
Speaker 1: like I Got You Babe has already come out at
Speaker 1: that point, that infamous song that you guys probably know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was.
Speaker 2: Her and Sonny's first ever big hit that put them
Speaker 2: on the freaking map.
Speaker 1: Well is kind of their biggest ya think Sonny and chare.
Speaker 1: But then they get this TV show and they're having
Speaker 1: this like dead pan comedy routine. So they have this
Speaker 1: whole little like kind of like classic I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not borsched Belt.
Speaker 2: But it's like not be but it's definitely like my
Speaker 2: wife type of.
Speaker 1: It's sassy goes. Sonny would say something about himself, like
Speaker 1: making fun of how he dressed in the sixties.
Speaker 2: I did look a little weird and stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reply, what's your excuse? Now?
Speaker 2: Hey, Share, do you remember when kids used to try
Speaker 2: to rip my clothes off and scream?
Speaker 1: Now they've screamed after you ripped her clothes off? I'd
Speaker 1: snap timing was everything.
Speaker 2: Christmas was really nice this year. My mom cooked and
Speaker 2: she really knows how to stuff a turkey, doesn't.
Speaker 1: She Yeah, straight into her mouth.
Speaker 2: Sonny was the perfect foil and first straight man. He
Speaker 2: could be hysterical on stage. So it's this kind of
Speaker 2: like it's a little new because usually the wife isn't
Speaker 2: so dead pan. Yeah, And it's him being like I
Speaker 2: love my mom and she makes food and her just
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, your mom's a fat pig.
Speaker 1: But it's also it is kind of Lucy and Ricky.
Speaker 2: Well Lucy and Ricky is more like Lucy is like
Speaker 2: I'm crazy, and he's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, Lucy, okay, yeah, I guess she's not like cucking
Speaker 1: him so hard. And then she says she's always making
Speaker 1: jokes about his height, and it's like he's the butt
Speaker 1: of a lot of the jokes, and like it's about
Speaker 1: her star power kind of anchoring it and all coming
Speaker 1: back to her. You know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's honestly Lea Remini and Kevin James. It's Queen. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's like saussy dead pan wife.
Speaker 1: Yes, hot wife being like, oh you're so short, Like.
Speaker 2: She's right, Like no one wants to see your ass.
Speaker 1: Like the joke where he's like, hey, do you believe
Speaker 1: in reincarnation? She's like, yeah, could you come back shorter
Speaker 1: next time? Or no, come back taller next time?
Speaker 2: Be the joke and it's funny. So they have this
Speaker 2: like crazy breakup that we've like talked about, and then
Speaker 2: they restart the show together and Chaer describes as like
Speaker 2: their humor is totally different, and she's like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: ditch the mother in law stuff. It was just fucking real, but.
Speaker 1: Still be basically like HiPE jokes. It's still the same.
Speaker 1: I do feel like Kelly Rippet and Mark Consuelo's like
Speaker 1: wish they were the Sonny and Sheriff today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the problem with them is she's like too
Speaker 2: horny for him. She's laughing too hard. It's him being like,
Speaker 2: uh oh, remember what we did last night and her
Speaker 2: being like shut up, Mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's like too excited.
Speaker 2: She should just be like, no one wants to hear
Speaker 2: about what you did in bed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she should be like more pretending to be
Speaker 1: disgusted and like the most she can do. It was
Speaker 1: just being like, can we not talk about your snoring
Speaker 1: last night? And you're kind of like, oh no, he's snoring.
Speaker 2: Just like a fake headline. That's like Kelly and Mark
Speaker 2: talk about the time their kids walked.
Speaker 1: In on them making whoopee, and it's just like how
Speaker 1: many times can we leak this story to the post, Kelly?
Speaker 2: So I want to jump to when Cher basically finds
Speaker 2: out though the contract that Sonny had her.
Speaker 1: In was full bullshit and he basically owned her, and
Speaker 1: she realizes that when they're like wanting to they wanted
Speaker 1: the show, but like they're breaking up.
Speaker 2: And he's like dating his assistant who.
Speaker 1: By the way, and he's been two timing her now
Speaker 1: for years and like she's like never stept out on
Speaker 1: him once except for that one guy Bill.
Speaker 2: Right, And then she finally they like break up for
Speaker 2: real and she starts dating David Geffen, which we're gonna
Speaker 2: get into after this, but let's just do the contract.
Speaker 1: Which is basically her like transitional face to becoming a
Speaker 1: gay dating a gay guy.
Speaker 2: Which is kind of like this crazy challenge for like
Speaker 2: a pop star woman. It's like, if you want to
Speaker 2: become the star the gay icons, you must state one
Speaker 2: gay man first, Yeah, and you have to like and
Speaker 2: there's like fire everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's actually true. It's like eighth Circle of Hell, Like
Speaker 1: you have to date a gay man.
Speaker 2: Who becomes like super efully powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like because I feel like that's kind of Britney
Speaker 1: Spears's last boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Sam whatever washboard apps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you must pass the tests. You must pass the.
Speaker 2: Test and like spend time with this deranged man and.
Speaker 1: Like, you know what sucks for Terry Hatcher is she
Speaker 1: dated Ryan Seacrest. She didn't get it, she didn't get
Speaker 1: her gay icon status. She should have been bequeathed. She
Speaker 1: was promised she was.
Speaker 2: That's also so like Ninja movie, where it's being like
Speaker 2: you took one wrong step, now you will fall into
Speaker 2: the ninth lay of the grove. So David kind of
Speaker 2: looks over her contract. David asked me about my contract
Speaker 2: and how I got paid. I told him I didn't
Speaker 2: know because I never read it. It's about time you did,
Speaker 2: he replied, And somehow he got his hands in the document.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how. He called me up after reading
Speaker 2: it and said, sweetheart, this contract is involuntary servitude. You
Speaker 2: work for Sonny. You have no rights, no vote, no money, nothing.
Speaker 2: You're an employee of something called Share Enterprises, with a
Speaker 2: salary you were likely never paid, and three weeks vacation
Speaker 2: per year. He owns a ninety five percent of the
Speaker 2: company and the rest belongs to his lawyer, Erwin Spiegel.
Speaker 2: It turns out what Erwin had gotten for getting rid
Speaker 2: of Joe d Wait a minute, I cried, this can't
Speaker 2: be right. Share I'm right, I promise you. I'm sorry, sweetheart.
Speaker 1: It's very brittany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, conservatship. By the way, she said she did sign
Speaker 2: on to it because she thought Share Enterprises was a
Speaker 2: really cool name, which was like, yeah, fuck it is.
Speaker 2: Someone was like, you're the head of Share Enterprises. I'd
Speaker 2: be like, absolutely, okay, I'll be in deadsured.
Speaker 1: Service, I'll share prizes go to three fourteen. When you
Speaker 1: confronts him, it feels like a Tarantina movie. It feels
Speaker 1: like Jackie Brown kind.
Speaker 3: Of flying on fumes. I couldn't face something at home,
Speaker 3: so I asked for a meeting in his office. I
Speaker 3: walked in, sat down, lit a cigarette and stared at
Speaker 3: his face. Son I love hershikosm son.
Speaker 1: Son. I've had someone look over my contract and it
Speaker 1: says I'm your employee that can't be right, can it?
Speaker 1: How can I be employee? I'm your partner, your wife.
Speaker 1: We created this whole thing together. Noither of us had
Speaker 1: anything when we met. So tell me they're wrong. Staring
Speaker 1: at me and lighting one of his stupid cigars, he
Speaker 1: didn't say a word. I want half my money's son,
Speaker 1: I'm only asking for what's fair. I worked my entire
Speaker 1: life from being a teenager to now, and I'd made nothing.
Speaker 1: I wonder what I'd earn. But his eyes were cold
Speaker 1: to me. There was none of the sparkle i'd once seen.
Speaker 1: You have to tear up that fucking contract, Sonny, and
Speaker 1: draw up a new one, ansist that I have to
Speaker 1: be your partner fifty to fifty. To my surprise, Sonny
Speaker 1: shook his head and without emotion.
Speaker 2: Said I'm not doing that, Chare.
Speaker 1: I was genuinely shocked by his response. Reasoning with me
Speaker 1: in a way that sounded almost rehearsed, he told me
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was talking about, and asked
Speaker 1: who was advising me. I knew I had to fight
Speaker 1: for my rights. I had a daughter to raise, and
Speaker 1: a sister and a mother to worry about. You don't
Speaker 1: know a way to give me half the money and
Speaker 1: redo the contract. Sonny, I won't sign for another year
Speaker 1: with CBS. I won't do anything with you. I can't
Speaker 1: be working for nothing. Son Is shrugged.
Speaker 2: You'll get sued.
Speaker 1: I don't care well.
Speaker 2: CBS will renew any day, So let's see what you
Speaker 2: do then.
Speaker 1: I mean it, son I told him, standing up and
Speaker 1: stubbing out my cigarette. I only want what's fae.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, period Curia, And you can imagine that office. He's
Speaker 2: probably smoking a cigar, which she points to the moment he.
Speaker 1: Had like turned when he starts being so cigar and yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he starts hanging out with someone named Joe D.
Speaker 2: And she's always like that was Sonny's capo Basstone.
Speaker 1: It's funny because she's so cigarette but like, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: cigars are kind of gross and they get so wet.
Speaker 2: It's wet and else you're supposed to like smoke it
Speaker 2: all day and then put it out and then relight it.
Speaker 1: Right, you're just kind of like eating it, but you're
Speaker 1: not like smoking.
Speaker 2: You know, in hail, you just taste the smoke. It's
Speaker 2: random and it's like we went to the you took
Speaker 2: me to cigar bar for my birthday once and it
Speaker 2: was fab but I think we all agreed, like.
Speaker 1: You're kind of like, okay, fantasy check.
Speaker 2: This weird.
Speaker 1: Well, I love in Silkwood. They're all smoking around the clock.
Speaker 1: They're all chained smoking, and they're just like their plane
Speaker 1: and she's just like sifting through so much platonium but
Speaker 1: just like cigarette in hand. That's how it was.
Speaker 2: That's how it was back then. Baby.
Speaker 1: So then she does not renew with the culture or CBS,
Speaker 1: but then they gave her her own show that they
Speaker 1: put up against Sunny like in the time.
Speaker 2: Of Crazy, and she's like so nervous, but she just
Speaker 2: like does it. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Okay, should we
Speaker 2: talk We should talk about David Geffen, okay a little
Speaker 2: or Chas.
Speaker 1: I'm like gay storyline talk about Let's just.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about her children, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: So Chaer has a trans son who in this book
Speaker 1: is still her not even lesbian yet daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so she says, at the beginning of the book,
Speaker 2: I referred to Chaz as Chass and you're kind of like, okay,
Speaker 2: and she's like, and Chaz gave me permission to refer
Speaker 2: to him as her chas, so do.
Speaker 1: You even say Chess is.
Speaker 2: Probably Chess son Chess. I think the people who made
Speaker 2: drag Race made a documentary about Chaz, like in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands, Oh, the folks from drag Race, folks
Speaker 2: from drag Race and Wonder World Productions, because like, Chazz
Speaker 2: and shered a pretty like horrible relationship after Chazz came
Speaker 2: out as trans because I Shared didn't accept him and
Speaker 2: everyone was like, but she's a gay icon. But it's like, well,
Speaker 2: she's still just like kind of like a boomer like
Speaker 2: and the documentary is so so many close up photos
Speaker 2: of Chaz petting his two sphinxes and the walking around
Speaker 2: to his home.
Speaker 1: But like then, and why do people with sphinxes always
Speaker 1: have two?
Speaker 2: I know sphinx.
Speaker 1: Sold they need to like to be in.
Speaker 2: Sweaters stuff no thank you, and I love most breaths.
Speaker 1: They're always freaky, but is that do we project that
Speaker 1: onto them?
Speaker 2: They're creepy?
Speaker 1: They are creepy.
Speaker 2: Way, I think like Share did come around and then
Speaker 2: they had a good relationship, but currently they are not
Speaker 2: speaking because Chaer tried to get a conservatorship over her
Speaker 2: son with Greg Allman because he is an on and
Speaker 2: off heroin.
Speaker 1: Adut, and Chaz doesn't support the conservatorship of.
Speaker 2: It all, yeah, and thinks that.
Speaker 1: Like even though his stepbrother is an addict.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he thinks like share shouldn't be the conservatorship
Speaker 2: and that like his wife should.
Speaker 1: Be like the heroin AT's wife, Yeah, should just be help.
Speaker 1: Obviously she's an enabler.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there is two sides to the story.
Speaker 1: There's two sides to every story.
Speaker 2: And it's just because it's like Greg Alman was a
Speaker 2: heroin Autut, who is her second husband from the Alman brothers.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, but you know, Cher.
Speaker 1: Has avoided all addiction. I mean she never really gets
Speaker 1: that into anything.
Speaker 2: And she was trying to help him, you know, kick it,
Speaker 2: but you can't help it. And but she was being
Speaker 2: so like he always had long sleeves on, and she's like,
Speaker 2: but we were still making love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's looking the other way a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I wonder if that goes back
Speaker 1: to also like her growing up. You know, she talks
Speaker 1: about the domestic violence in her childhood, her mother getting
Speaker 1: beat up by like various stepfathers and kind.
Speaker 2: Of just her first father being a hero and autut
Speaker 2: and her.
Speaker 1: Kind of just accepting that is kind of the way
Speaker 1: it was, and like, you know, her mom just having
Speaker 1: to kind of retreat into marriage after marriage because that
Speaker 1: was the only option for women. And she was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then my daddy like did choke her once, but
Speaker 1: like that's my daddy. I still love him.
Speaker 2: And I think it's this thing with Share and her children.
Speaker 2: You know, we're probably getting these snippets, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: even though obviously Chaer loves her children, I don't doubt that,
Speaker 2: but it's like.
Speaker 1: She's share, she's share.
Speaker 2: Maybe of course her kids are like a mama's chair.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if your mom is share, like sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, it's like she's gonna be around them and share.
Speaker 1: Because it's interesting how Sunny has a daughter. When they
Speaker 1: first meet and you kind of like never hear about
Speaker 1: the daughter.
Speaker 2: Ever, No, and she's like, Chas and the daughter got along.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, where's this daughter? Like she mentioned that,
Speaker 1: she's like I'll think son was a great dad and
Speaker 1: then you're like, but I've never seen him do any
Speaker 1: dad stuff ever.
Speaker 2: And she's always been like I didn't want to leave Chess,
Speaker 2: but obviously it's always going to like Hawaii and Malibu
Speaker 2: and on so many trips, like leaving the kids. But
Speaker 2: there's just also a hilarious paragraph in here about Chess
Speaker 2: that I want to read. The fun and games continued
Speaker 2: for Chess's seventh birthday party that March, which was a blast.
Speaker 2: As always, She'd ask for a monster theme, so everyone
Speaker 2: dressed up and screened young Frankenstein. Chas was in love
Speaker 2: with Gene Wilder, who starred in the film. Well, in
Speaker 2: her mind, she was in love with Willy Wonka, which
Speaker 2: was the first role she'd seen him in during the
Speaker 2: Willy Wonka phase. Years before. I'd seen Jeane at a
Speaker 2: Patissa ree in Beverly Hills with Terry Garr, who was
Speaker 2: going with him at the time.
Speaker 1: They were going to they were going together.
Speaker 2: When Chess walked in with Dave a few months later,
Speaker 2: Jeane went up and said hi to her. When she
Speaker 2: realized who he was, she just looked up in his
Speaker 2: face and stared. She didn't even move. He leaned down
Speaker 2: and kissed her cheek and they walked out the door together.
Speaker 2: We didn't see them for twenty minutes. They just went
Speaker 2: around Beverly Hills together. She was so entranced, I think
Speaker 2: she would have walked with him to Egypt for her
Speaker 2: monster themed party. Chras stretched up as a boy, as
Speaker 2: she often liked to do, and I noticed for the
Speaker 2: first time that day that she'd also developed Sonny's long lumbering.
Speaker 1: Walk lumbering down seeing also.
Speaker 2: Lumbering down sunset, Terry Gor and I were wondering, what
Speaker 2: was my daughter lumbering down sunset?
Speaker 1: Was that big old lesbian seven year old? Okay, now
Speaker 1: here's the theory I have. Do you remember when she's
Speaker 1: pregnant with Chas and Sonny really wants a boy, and
Speaker 1: right when she's going to the hospital, he goes, remember,
Speaker 1: chare I want a boy? He told me, laughing all
Speaker 1: the way. But I'm like, did Sonny actually will Chas
Speaker 1: to be trans in you to row?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it was his intense desire for a
Speaker 1: male heir that implanted into the womb, turn back time,
Speaker 1: turned back in the fetus and then, obviously like her
Speaker 1: wanting to like please dad or she was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I mean, let me become the boy you always wanted.
Speaker 2: Me becomes Chaz of today?
Speaker 1: Wait? And then does Chaz go Chazz before after Sunny's death.
Speaker 1: It's a good question, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean remember reading in the years that of like Chaz
Speaker 2: coming out as trans that was like Chaz and Sunny,
Speaker 2: I think always did have a closer relationship than Chaz
Speaker 2: and Share because it's also like probably Share. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, the classic mom who's like, I'm a liberal mom,
Speaker 2: but I'm heartbroken that, like my little girl is gone,
Speaker 2: I can't dress you up. Also and like Swede, yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe never that thin is that also part of the yeah,
Speaker 1: is like insanely thin and like thin, right, and like
Speaker 1: even though she's not saying that she's like antibody image,
Speaker 1: she is, yes, And I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2: So I'm honestly very confused by the current case of
Speaker 2: the conservatship. And it's like that's so classical. Do every
Speaker 2: you know, Judy Garland, Liza and Nelly Mommy dearis like
Speaker 2: there's just all if you're such a gay.
Speaker 1: Ie seen as Madonna doesn't seem to have a tempastuous
Speaker 1: relationship with Lola, I think she does with Lords, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I heard what did you hear?
Speaker 2: I heard that this summer someone I knew was with
Speaker 2: La La at the Madonna concert. Uh huh, and brought
Speaker 2: the friend backstage, but was like, I'm not talking to
Speaker 2: my mom right now.
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem conservatorship level drops literally backstage at her,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to my mom right just.
Speaker 2: More classically being like fuck that bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ohka wait, there's so many more things we need
Speaker 1: to cover. Tina Turner asking for cover up for her,
Speaker 1: like bruises from Ike, like backstage that was so sad.
Speaker 2: And she was like Ike was so scary, and she
Speaker 2: was like and Tina had such a power, but like
Speaker 2: was bruised. We all talked about Aspen. Okay, everyone turned
Speaker 2: her pages to three forty one.
Speaker 1: Evandy's was different than it is now. It was a
Speaker 1: real town. The people who worked there could actually afford
Speaker 1: to live there. It was all independent stores, no chains.
Speaker 2: There was a great place called Poppy Cocks where you
Speaker 2: could buy crapes. A Tom's Market actually run by a
Speaker 2: man named Tom, a shop that sold the best hat
Speaker 2: truncolate in the world. There was an opera house, an
Speaker 2: old hotel, a toy store, a restaurant that had been
Speaker 2: in the Ute City bank.
Speaker 1: It's full small business nostalgia, and she's just being like
Speaker 1: when the store called Old Toms is actually owned by
Speaker 1: a guy named Tom.
Speaker 2: But it's also already gentrifried in this way where it's
Speaker 2: like a restaurant in a bank, so it's already fallen west.
Speaker 2: And she's like, you could bum around town.
Speaker 1: You think the most ungentriferent neighborhood has no bank people
Speaker 1: to be on bank.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying it's still a bank, not a restaurant
Speaker 2: inside of an old bank.
Speaker 1: Oh, a restaurant that had been the bank. Oh, that
Speaker 1: is the most restification thing ever.
Speaker 2: That's like that restaurant.
Speaker 1: The fact that it's not a bank is actually what
Speaker 1: makes it so jazzy.
Speaker 2: Right, And she's walking around and of course now it's
Speaker 2: so housewives.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I wish I could go to the
Speaker 1: old places. You know, we're experiencing the same thing on
Speaker 1: Nantucket as you know, where it's like she has to
Speaker 1: be a bummed out. It literally like no one said
Speaker 1: it was ever poor, but it did used to be
Speaker 1: like more of an artist's colony and more kookie and
Speaker 1: and more small businesses and less just like only Hildebrand
Speaker 1: friends renting a house for two thousands. I think it
Speaker 1: went through two changes four thousand.
Speaker 2: It was like Hippie's Nude Beach. Then it went through
Speaker 2: like our parents generation of being like old money, like yuppie,
Speaker 2: and now it's funny. Is like all the boomers are
Speaker 2: feeling like they're being gentrified by the pan Asian fusion.
Speaker 1: Well, they love the pan Asian fusion, but they don't
Speaker 1: love all the thirty one year old bachelorettes at.
Speaker 2: The pan Asian fusion. Yeah, it's a hard life.
Speaker 1: My mom loves potstickers.
Speaker 2: Let's she was spicy Mayo. Okay, here's the thing. Her
Speaker 2: and David Geffen, she just like lived at the house
Speaker 2: and Joni Mitchell's the like recording like her first album.
Speaker 2: While she was like sleeping with Day, she said this
Speaker 2: with David was good. She was like, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: This part I just found. I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: I got weird. It just made me tingly and freaked out.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was hebgb's for me.
Speaker 2: I think, as we said in our part one, Sonny
Speaker 2: didn't like to kiss. No.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, yeah, the bar was on
Speaker 1: the floor for sure.
Speaker 2: And he's cheating on her. So like David Geffen like
Speaker 2: probably praising her body right and just being like, girl
Speaker 2: looks so fab Like, girl, can I under your bob
Speaker 2: Mackie like tall.
Speaker 1: Fist your pussy's tea.
Speaker 2: He tastes really good tastes like sushi.
Speaker 1: Have you been to Nobu? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: David was an early roser and went to bed much
Speaker 1: sooner than I did. I'd stay untilly, fell asleep and
Speaker 1: get up and head home. So she's still being so like.
Speaker 2: We speaking of actually getting out. She dates Gene Simmons,
Speaker 2: just funny because we've done his wife's book. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: she was like he was actually sober.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like boring, boring, move on.
Speaker 2: And then it's like she has this really torrid marriage
Speaker 2: with Greg Alman and like goes to the South and
Speaker 2: like eats BBQ with him, and then he divorces her
Speaker 2: nine days after their wedding. Very machine gun Kelly and.
Speaker 1: Kind of figured Greg Alman or Sonny. I think Sonny
Speaker 1: signing to me seems like.
Speaker 2: He's kind of packing packing mustache.
Speaker 1: But then I'm just like, yeah, I am just like
Speaker 1: falling for the mustache because he is shorter, so it's
Speaker 1: actually like a kind of like a big boy.
Speaker 2: I just think he's using so much heroin, so I'm
Speaker 2: also seeing it is very limp heroin.
Speaker 1: I actually feel like it's fine.
Speaker 2: But in the book she was like, they said, if
Speaker 2: you're doing hair and you're not having sex, and that
Speaker 2: wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Right, they were having sex. So I guess he is.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just like ultimate, like Indie Rocker, like he's.
Speaker 1: Like John Voight. I don't know the faces. It's a
Speaker 1: tough read for me. Have you seen The Banger Sisters? Correct,
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I think it curves and that's all
Speaker 1: I say. I have seen the Banger Sisters. The polaroids
Speaker 1: of all Yeah, if you haven't seen.
Speaker 2: The Banger Sisters, there's a scene where Susan Sarandon and
Speaker 2: Goldie Han look at polaroids of all the dicks and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh my god, it's Jimmy Page. Did it
Speaker 2: really look like that? To bury this book, Sinatra doesn't
Speaker 2: like light filtering into his concerts. He said, the tidbits
Speaker 2: here and get we're wrapping up here. But I just
Speaker 2: saw that in my notes. She's like Sinatra didn't let
Speaker 2: a little bit of light into his theaters.
Speaker 1: Princess Margaret is drunk that one time she meets her,
Speaker 1: which seems like that's like everyone's story about her is
Speaker 1: that she's wasted in a bitch.
Speaker 2: Catherine Hepburn makes share by her house because she's just like,
Speaker 2: it's a fabulous house, darling, and you must have it.
Speaker 1: And she'd already bought like another house that she'd rented,
Speaker 1: and she was just kind of like following her real estate. Well.
Speaker 2: Interesting thing also about the share feminism. When she had
Speaker 2: her solo share show, all the censors went off because
Speaker 2: they were like, everything you're wearing is too risque. But
Speaker 2: when she was on her married show, that same stuff
Speaker 2: was fine, but they flagged it yes when she was
Speaker 2: a solo sock.
Speaker 1: Right, because like marriage helps kind of like deslotify you,
Speaker 1: so like you're allowed to show more skin because they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she's only sharing it with her husband and the audience.
Speaker 2: He's there to protect her.
Speaker 1: She loves ferraris Wait she I don't remember that part.
Speaker 2: She has a ferrari and she gets mad at one
Speaker 2: of her best friend, Paulette. She just has these two pages,
Speaker 2: but she's like, I was really pissed at Paulette because
Speaker 2: the gas was low and she said, I'll fill it
Speaker 2: up share. Then I'm driving my Ferrari the next day
Speaker 2: and she still hadn't filled up my guest tang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those interesting things that I'm glad
Speaker 1: that's in there. Although maybe if I were her editor
Speaker 1: at HarperCollins or whatever, I might have been like, do
Speaker 1: we need this? Do we need this? Could we get
Speaker 1: this down to maybe three fifty from four hundred page
Speaker 1: page about gas? But it is one of those revelations
Speaker 1: a little bit that's kind of like you get to
Speaker 1: see that, like obviously she is more of like a
Speaker 1: bitch Nandiva than she might let her on in her
Speaker 1: own memoirs.
Speaker 2: Holding holding on to some things, yes, some graduates memories.
Speaker 1: Some issues childhood and elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Oh, just one more thing about David Geffen. After they
Speaker 2: break up, he goes on like a silent retreat and
Speaker 2: obviously he's so budden, so retreat and he was so
Speaker 2: like fuck you after she dumped him with so angry
Speaker 2: gay guy, like how dare you? Like, don't even talk
Speaker 2: to me if you see him on the street. And
Speaker 2: he comes back and he's like, I went to the
Speaker 2: most amazing retreat. Four days of silence, three days of yoga,
Speaker 2: one day of swimming ayahuasca Mi.
Speaker 1: So, I wonder if she's gonna reveal when she finds
Speaker 1: out he's gay.
Speaker 2: In part two, I was driving my Ferrari down Losienaga
Speaker 2: and I saw him with a little boa thing. So,
Speaker 2: David Geffen, is that your son? He said, no, it's
Speaker 2: my boyfriend. So homosexual, maund what you.
Speaker 1: Want to do your own time is interesting. She never
Speaker 1: references any lesbianic experiences for herself. No, that's how you
Speaker 1: say it so convincingly in silk Wood and she plays
Speaker 1: the top.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's in part two, like touches on aids a
Speaker 2: little bit in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would love to see, like what did
Speaker 1: her Angelica Houston get up to. And while Jack Nicholson
Speaker 1: was like passed out in the other room.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought she was a babe.
Speaker 1: I don't swing that way, but if you want to,
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 2: You can look at my bone naturals.
Speaker 1: They're like not big. Okay. Another thing i've her being
Speaker 1: like so into like basically this kind of like boomer
Speaker 1: gentrification aesthetic as a way of making a feel better.
Speaker 1: Sonny took me to the seaside town of Salsolito for
Speaker 1: the day. I always wanted to go to that pretty
Speaker 1: town right on the water, and we had one of
Speaker 1: the best days of our lives there. It was foggy
Speaker 1: and atmospheric with little artists in stores. We ate pizza
Speaker 1: in a pizza parla and literally skipped up and down
Speaker 1: the street together making waves in the fog like a
Speaker 1: couple of kids.
Speaker 2: She's literally like, we had Detroit style pizza for lunch.
Speaker 2: Follow me and Sonny as we go to Salcledox.
Speaker 1: And she's like, the best time my life was looking
Speaker 1: at artisan stores.
Speaker 2: It's like we grabbed and checked out some shops. I
Speaker 2: bought this really cute ceramic fause. Then we headed down
Speaker 2: to downtown salce Alito, where we got wine at this
Speaker 2: really cute place. Then we had up to the mountaintop
Speaker 2: of Salsledo for dinner.
Speaker 1: Make sure to take your polaroid with the old fog lady.
Speaker 1: You won't regret it. Gypsies, tramps and segments. What does she.
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Do we do segments last time? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But we did for share then and I think we
Speaker 2: should do modern share now? Share now share what we're
Speaker 2: calling share now? What does she eat? I think now
Speaker 2: more than ever. It's like vegan salcolito.
Speaker 1: Okay, chefs, you don't think she's actually so rfk and
Speaker 1: being like bison and milk.
Speaker 2: Had a beautiful bison bowl with Pharaoh and bison and
Speaker 2: raw on pastor's milk.
Speaker 1: But maybe she is vegetarian. She's keeping it tight because
Speaker 1: she's not being so like I'm doing gains and like mysels.
Speaker 2: I could see her having a heavy lifting regimen though, oh,
Speaker 2: because now it's all about like women over fifty.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I feel like her gym is very like
Speaker 1: in a like a chapel, like on her property.
Speaker 2: The benches are like pews. Yeah, walk down to the chapel.
Speaker 1: From a morning workout.
Speaker 2: It's like a temple of sorts. And I think, oh, right,
Speaker 2: she's fully dating like a thirty year.
Speaker 1: Old now, yeah, she has just like this just like
Speaker 1: absolute like twenty nine year old and he's like a
Speaker 1: stylist or a rapper or like a singer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like I love yeah, And it's.
Speaker 1: Like, well, whatever you want to call at sweetheart.
Speaker 2: And as we know from the Rob Low book, what
Speaker 2: do we know from the Rob Low they slept together.
Speaker 2: They slept naked in bed together, when he was like fourteen,
Speaker 2: he was like, I went over to my friend's parents'
Speaker 2: house chair yes, and she was like babysitting him, yes,
Speaker 2: and they slept.
Speaker 1: She doesn't include that in her book.
Speaker 2: Well, let's post nineteen eighty, which this book ends in. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: she gets into her cougar era. She's in her seventies
Speaker 2: rocker dating era because.
Speaker 1: When she's fourteen she gets cut off by Warren Baby
Speaker 1: and then they go and sleep together at his poolhouse.
Speaker 1: And now when rob Low is fourteen, she's being like
Speaker 1: strip Baby, strip Baby. She's cutting him off in her
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighties to dance and it's.
Speaker 2: So like saxophone. She's taking off a silk robe. Don't
Speaker 2: be afraid to look.
Speaker 1: I think she's so artisan stories. So she probably does
Speaker 1: have like a beautiful like Chinese like Christenberry tea that's
Speaker 1: like very rare.
Speaker 2: Her tea collection probably out of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably a whole wing wing of.
Speaker 2: Teas chairs that are so interestingly to me.
Speaker 1: She's like kind of like Louisk Tours, Like there's like
Speaker 1: some real antique gorgeous like cherry wood auction boots, auction
Speaker 1: down boots furniture and like heavier maires and there's like
Speaker 1: gold leaf. It's like kind of barbetiation. It's kind of Turner, right.
Speaker 2: But I think there's still like kind of rams that
Speaker 2: are harkened back to her old school Aspen days.
Speaker 1: And she's not Wade, but she's not aga stuff. No,
Speaker 1: she actually might even be induction.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she has a gas range.
Speaker 1: But you don't think that like she was conduc.
Speaker 2: She makes a special sauce.
Speaker 1: The thing is she's so like fuck the Orange Man
Speaker 1: now and like and I do feel like moms are
Speaker 1: heard about in Duck and they're like be coming off
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: I just don't see her.
Speaker 1: The gas to me is so her right because it's
Speaker 1: so expressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big gas. I think she's maybe like I'm
Speaker 2: with you in I could see her being like Melee Grill.
Speaker 1: Do you think she's making her twink boyfriend like some
Speaker 1: like ye, I think midnight snacks. She's like, I'm making
Speaker 1: your banana pudding, baby.
Speaker 2: I think she's like sesame broccoli Charred.
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, Mommy.
Speaker 2: Time like Charred Broccolini, Farmer's Mark. It's California.
Speaker 1: It's off.
Speaker 2: She's chilled off a cup of soup. It's her favorite soup.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like she tofu.
Speaker 1: She's having her cheft do like a Mark butman of
Speaker 1: super recipe and they're both sipping up, being like m
Speaker 1: and she's walking over to the double door friend and
Speaker 1: be like what do we got and like her assistant
Speaker 1: has like something labeled.
Speaker 2: It's kind of Diane Keene and Jack Nicholson. Something's gonna
Speaker 2: give where the pancakes happened once a year? What if
Speaker 2: I made pancakes?
Speaker 1: Baby? She's making a mess baby, And then like the
Speaker 1: staffs cleaning up tomorrow and she's like, oops, that's share
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, wait, how does she live? It's like
Speaker 1: we discussed this a Jim Chappel.
Speaker 2: I think is like driftwood, but it could also be
Speaker 2: Louis fourteenth.
Speaker 1: It's like one massive piece of driftwood and wins. I
Speaker 1: think it's more of a four.
Speaker 2: Poster okay, four huge four poster, so many sheets and pillows,
Speaker 2: like you can't even find her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants to feel small.
Speaker 2: And I think she sleeps in a bag of moisturizer.
Speaker 1: She has to legally, legally.
Speaker 2: And she must have one of those like red light
Speaker 2: kendle like tombs. Do you think she has a tomb?
Speaker 1: I don't know if she has a tomb, or like,
Speaker 1: does she have like a finished sauna. I think she
Speaker 1: might have like a rock outdoor sauna, like a stone
Speaker 1: sauna outdoor salt water, Yeah, like a saltwater tappy sauna
Speaker 1: outside that's like a little bit more redtrop Yeah.
Speaker 2: The pool is an natural and crazy yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think the bathroom has tons of beautiful features.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like her pool is like a pool that
Speaker 1: like Roman plansca did very bad things and.
Speaker 2: Very very bad things. She definitely has a bidet and
Speaker 2: she uses it, oh for sure, front and back up
Speaker 2: the who Yeah, what does she wear? It's either worker
Speaker 2: clothes or like robes.
Speaker 1: I guess. But isn't she still like I'm a show girl.
Speaker 1: So it's like she's going to incorporate like a lot
Speaker 1: of spandex or like lycra into her casual wear, right,
Speaker 1: like because she wants to be like stretchy body constant.
Speaker 2: It's like she's walking around the house in this body
Speaker 2: con workout thing and then in this very starway like
Speaker 2: until she's in the costume.
Speaker 1: It's silk robe okay, but don't you think when she
Speaker 1: is going to the grove, like to get a salad
Speaker 1: and go shopping, she is wearing like kind of stretchy flared,
Speaker 1: big flared pants, like kind of like a weird synthetic
Speaker 1: material pant.
Speaker 2: And she likes Barkley sneakers like Carlougerveld sneakers.
Speaker 1: And then like a f and like in the middle
Speaker 1: of summer white, I.
Speaker 2: Make up huge sunglasses, period presses. Who are you in
Speaker 2: the book? Now that we've had time to really think
Speaker 2: about okay.
Speaker 1: Because last time I said that you are the bad maid.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I still agree with, m Am. I now
Speaker 2: the good maid who created who created the good maid?
Speaker 2: Who made the ChIL davocato soup for her?
Speaker 1: For the first time, you're labeling everything in the fridge.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's very like how I made shrimp broth the other
Speaker 2: day and I put it in my soup cube container
Speaker 2: where there's chicken broth, and my was like, are you
Speaker 2: gonna remember which one is shrimp broth and chicken? Then
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm gonna write it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. After you mistook like shrimp dip
Speaker 1: for what was your infamous story?
Speaker 2: Oh after I swapped clam dip for pancake better, Yes,
Speaker 2: and put scallions on it and it to my close
Speaker 2: friends at the beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think you are Jean Wilder taking lumbering
Speaker 2: jazz for a walk the world, and you're because you
Speaker 2: are actually very good with kids, and you're like the
Speaker 2: world could be yours.
Speaker 1: Yes. No, that is very cute, and.
Speaker 2: It's like through the streets of Beverly Hills. Yes, I
Speaker 2: think I'm Terry Garr. I'll stay at the cafe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you go on with that small lumbering lesbian.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do I give this book?
Speaker 2: It's hard because it's always hard, but that's our job.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, as you said, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: do I want the detail about how her friend didn't
Speaker 2: fill up her car twice? Sure? Is that good writing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm just gonna be frank It's a three out
Speaker 1: of five for me. It's too long, and frankly, it's
Speaker 1: not quite as introspective as I would have liked. There
Speaker 1: aren't enough passages where I'm really seeing her reflect. It
Speaker 1: is maybe too plotty, and I get that that's her
Speaker 1: and there is so much pot and that's fab and
Speaker 1: it washes over you. And I love her career and
Speaker 1: I think it's so delicious to do a part one
Speaker 1: of your life that it's.
Speaker 2: Four hundred pages delicious.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, you know, there could have been.
Speaker 2: I think I'm totally with you. I think also this
Speaker 2: sense of celebrity where the best actors and singers, like
Speaker 2: our Queen Miranda, they show you how they feel in
Speaker 2: their art and they do not reveal it to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's also interesting is she reveals a lot,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't talk about her art then, right.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, I mean, I guess the
Speaker 2: end of this is supposed to be her being like
Speaker 2: I want to talk about my acting, and it's this
Speaker 2: whole setup. Yeah, and you're like, again, five hundred pages
Speaker 2: of like contracts and like fun stuff in the Playboy
Speaker 2: man mentioned and the like it's about a time and
Speaker 2: a place and she's a diva And yeah, I'm going
Speaker 2: to give it a three point five and five. I
Speaker 2: had a lot of fun the audio give it.
Speaker 1: Because lawsuits with your trend son about your other heroin
Speaker 1: addicted son out of five lawsuits.
Speaker 2: The audio is read half by her, half by someone else.
Speaker 2: So she'll start a paragraph and.
Speaker 1: Then it's like some other chick comes in, which is
Speaker 1: so her, which is very herb.
Speaker 2: But it's she's very saving my Voice's this book saving
Speaker 2: my voice, baby, It's.
Speaker 1: Very this book. We were like, okay, you're just kind
Speaker 1: of not going to get into the hole.
Speaker 2: You get so excited because she'll be like chapter non
Speaker 2: and then it's like Sonny and I and you're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Three point five out of gas ferraris out of.
Speaker 1: Five Share, we love you, Shall love you, We Love
Speaker 1: your baby. Bess oh Son.
Speaker 2: The producer on this podcast. My best friend Darby Masters.
Speaker 2: Did she stop talking to me in nineteen seventy six
Speaker 2: of Caesar's Palace for about a month? Yes? Do? I
Speaker 2: forgive her? Almost a boo. Far was the supervising producer.
Speaker 2: He is also my husband's best friend. He tore us apart,
Speaker 2: but I still respect him and if he invited me
Speaker 2: to a Christening, I would go.
Speaker 1: This podcast was executive produced by a little Lady, I mean,
Speaker 1: Christian Everett. Our engineer was the Heave Frasier. I worked
Speaker 1: with him for seventeen years before we had to follow
Speaker 1: it out and over a very small amount of money.
Speaker 1: Oh what music was done by Steven Philips hors. Now
Speaker 1: there's a give producer I've ever seen one. He knows
Speaker 1: how to click those buttons and play those keys.
Speaker 2: Who The artwork, Baby was done by Teddy Blanks. I
Speaker 2: saw him at the school gallery in the north side
Speaker 2: of Aspen. The year was nineteen seventy five. It was
Speaker 2: just this little gallery.
Speaker 1: I walked in.
Speaker 2: I said, that's groovy, baby. So I had my assistant
Speaker 2: ship it up and send it back to my home
Speaker 2: and saw the ledo. It's still up there.
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Speaker 1: I know that's what you need. I got you, baby,
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