WEBVTT - "Cher" Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrity Book Club.

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<v Speaker 2>If I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Turn back time, vac found away, if I can reach

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<v Speaker 1>the stars, ravac.

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<v Speaker 2>No to you, that man of dads, of man you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.

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<v Speaker 1>You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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<v Speaker 1>and a bottle of wine killed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martinis foor celeb Poop Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Read it while it's hot. Celevety poop Club. Tell your secrets.

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<v Speaker 3>We won't talk celebrity books.

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<v Speaker 2>No, boys are a loud celebty book say it loud

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<v Speaker 2>and pound.

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<v Speaker 1>Celevetly Poop Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Spuzz me in. I brought the queer vow.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, best friend, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? I'm okay, yeah, thank you me too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that we're already several weeks into twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty five? Can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 1>I can share.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just you guys know it. We're in part two

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<v Speaker 2>a share right now. I'm just gonna say it. She

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<v Speaker 2>did a hilarious skit once after the Sunny and Share

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<v Speaker 2>show ended and she had her solo show called just

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<v Speaker 2>the Share Show, and she was like, it was the

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<v Speaker 2>funniest skit ever. It was me Elton, John Bette Mittler,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was them all doing a skit about being

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<v Speaker 2>at a senior home in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally takes place in twenty twenty five. Yeah, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>that's in soon? Is it? Like so robots?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I haven't she mentioned in the book, I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't gone on the youtubes and the archives and found it.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to pull that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's like, we were just laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>We were laughing hard.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a time.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet it was like probably just kind of Jetsons

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<v Speaker 1>and like there's a robot made. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it was probably them on like wheelchairs

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<v Speaker 2>being star like take me to the Bingo area, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I would do if I were writing that

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<v Speaker 1>skit today.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe they had like slim futuristic headbands.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye, star Trek styles, you could see that. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>were promised flying cars and here we are in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five and all we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Is teslas crashing into things.

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<v Speaker 1>And shitty cell phone service. Sorry, why can't I get reception?

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<v Speaker 1>An elevator? It's twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five and what's the deal with the iPhone updates?

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<v Speaker 1>I will say it. Actually, it's bad, it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Did share you didn't predict that, just like goofy little symbols, didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Protect yourself, just being on Twitter and like having really

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<v Speaker 1>bad grandmar and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just being like huskies lost today, singing sun Malibu, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a completely random spoken word artist Stuporando.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as we were saying, everything now on the iPhone

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<v Speaker 2>is like a sharper image digital frame where everything is

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<v Speaker 2>a pet memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's full shutter fly. You can't find anything in there.

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<v Speaker 1>They just want you to like live in your memories.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. It's like I don't have to be nostalgic

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<v Speaker 2>for two days ago, right, it's like you got drinks

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<v Speaker 2>with Stephen again. You're lucky the paw symbol on like

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<v Speaker 2>my cat, And I'm always like hoping they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>reveal something more if it's so futuristic. I'm just being like,

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<v Speaker 2>like her ancestry, her ancestry or ancestry. They're like, she's

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<v Speaker 2>actually too possessed Egyptian Mau.

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<v Speaker 1>You're obsessed with wanting her to be Egyptian. Maybe she's

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<v Speaker 1>not Lily No.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she's an Egyptian.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to live with the fact that your cat

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<v Speaker 1>might just be like extremely domestic.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a domestic long hair. I do believe, I do declare,

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<v Speaker 2>I do declare domestic hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, speaking of othern act sense. So I watched

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<v Speaker 1>the incredible share film for which she was nominated for

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<v Speaker 1>any Academy awar day, Silkwood, So that's nice, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like a tear jerker drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Real factory, Southern Gothic.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on a true story about a whistleblower at a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear plant in Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the whistleblower is played by the one and only.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Meryl Street. And wait, have you seen Silquin?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you remember I sent you a photo of

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<v Speaker 2>me watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>That didn't come through because of the OS. I only

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<v Speaker 1>know it because on Will and Grace, Jack wants references,

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<v Speaker 1>just wanting to have a cozy night in and just

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<v Speaker 1>watch Silkwood. So, like, since I was twelve, Silkwood has

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<v Speaker 1>had this kind of valance for me, as this just

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<v Speaker 1>like gay cozy movie that like obviously involves a woman

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<v Speaker 1>in some way because silk is like a feminine word.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was I didn't know anything else about it same.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know because I was like, Okay, I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>Struck a thousand times and it's like one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite movies. So I was like, let me watch another

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<v Speaker 2>share flick, and she talks about I think in the

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<v Speaker 2>book we're reading, but maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>No kind of ends right before it's era.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it must have been an interview I saw

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<v Speaker 2>with her. So because this book basically ends with her

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like she really wants to act but no one

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<v Speaker 2>will take her seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue, okay, let me just say that. So good,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, brilliant Share. She plays a lesbian with a

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<v Speaker 1>wolf cut with like an eighties mullet wolf cut like

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma style, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and it's like Meryl also has a mullet in it,

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<v Speaker 2>but like ERR's is like curlier her style. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>them rolling up in their bustial Honda to like the

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<v Speaker 2>factory in this opening scene, and they're all in like

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<v Speaker 2>little single stitch thrash teas and five.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh one ty of ones that are just like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of high waisted, like falling off, and they're all just

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<v Speaker 1>like thin because they're like poor, but.

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<v Speaker 2>And like all sleeping in the same crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like live in this hillbilly house together, but they love

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<v Speaker 1>each other having fun. There was like popping shiners, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love any movie also that shows you, like the

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<v Speaker 1>fun camaraderie underbelly of a workplace, like Made in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>For Melkwood. It's like basically when you get to see

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<v Speaker 2>the locker rooms of let's say made factory or a hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>The locker rooms of a non sports job, to me

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<v Speaker 1>is always like, oh right, they have lockers too.

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<v Speaker 2>Women and lockers. Yes, women have lockers, but they're not

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<v Speaker 2>for like jerseys, and it's not like me a ham yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something, the ham less women's lockers. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually such a spooky moment. Watch the spooky moment

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<v Speaker 2>if you realize, like you know, this nuclear waste movie

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<v Speaker 2>is they come in one kind of the oldest Southern

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<v Speaker 2>woman is like putting on her wig and she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>my hair is turning green and fallen out, so I

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<v Speaker 2>wear this wig.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like then you start realized they're all being

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<v Speaker 1>poisoned by blue o meum exposure at this plan. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the eighties, we didn't know better, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did know better, and it's so Ambrockovich and that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately company is evil, et cetera. And so it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>this like interesting political drama, but it's also a personal

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<v Speaker 1>drama and soma and a southern drama and Share being

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<v Speaker 1>a lesbian and then like when she sleeps with the

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<v Speaker 1>blonde girl and then she's like, this is Darlene. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautician, introducing her to Mail Streep and her and

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Russell are both so freaked out, and then they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't out of mind, out of mind at all

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<v Speaker 1>way of mine either. Then while we're talking about it, well.

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<v Speaker 2>We let's just stop talking about it if we don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like freaked out but also being chill about Shares lesbianism.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cool also to see Share play Southern, because she

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<v Speaker 2>usually plays kind of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think is incredible about that film is and

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<v Speaker 1>I maybe I haven't seen enough Share films, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>so good in it. She absolutely deserved the nomination. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who won that year, so I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say she deserved the win, but she definitely deserve

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<v Speaker 1>the nod. She disappears into this role so deeply, so completely,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see like seventies funny comedic share anymore. Like yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she still has that like sassy share edge where she's

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<v Speaker 1>dead pan and funny, but like you like fully believe

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<v Speaker 1>that she is, for Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 2>A newcomer actress, which any way she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because she hadn't been famous for acting at all

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<v Speaker 1>at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to see Moonstruck, like so desperately.

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<v Speaker 1>Your girlfriend forbade me for watching it without you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because she was like, you need to come over

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<v Speaker 2>and watch him Cameron Mannheim style, but you're gonna flipping

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<v Speaker 2>freak your ass.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>She plays a woman Italian woman in Carol Gardens. Curly hair,

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<v Speaker 2>dead pan, she's engaged this Italian guy who you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell she's not in loveless and he's in love with

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<v Speaker 2>his mother of course, and it's that thing where you

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<v Speaker 2>realize in the movie she's thirty six and everyone's just

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<v Speaker 2>being like you're fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, you're dead.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to marry this man or like go die,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's about like Italians and Karl Gardens in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>and what happens basically she falls in love with her

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<v Speaker 2>fiance's brother, who is Nick Cage.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is a baker actually so Hunter Biden honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, the brother's sole in life. He's just visiting

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<v Speaker 2>his dying mother in Sicily. Oh and the brothers don't speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's even less loud.

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<v Speaker 2>And Nick Cage is being so hot and like, wife,

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<v Speaker 2>please her bakery doesn't have an like a hand. He

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<v Speaker 2>has a fake hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Cage is a fake hand, yes, oh, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why she's into him.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like such a crazy top and has always

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<v Speaker 2>taken her to the opera and like is so like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like throwing her around and it's crazy and

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<v Speaker 2>she's been like anyway, she's just being like Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, No,

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<v Speaker 2>this can't happen, Johnny, and olympiad caucuses in it. The

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<v Speaker 2>dad from Fraser is in it. It's just she transferms

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<v Speaker 2>so much because you're like Schaer, you're known as being

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<v Speaker 2>the most like glamorous, like right us jock babest woman

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<v Speaker 2>and she's just like playing this like you know when

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<v Speaker 2>you pass a woman in New York who's so beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>but you know probably has a lot of demons, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I usually don't see women as wide around.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, they don't smell, you don't see them,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're registered for me. If you were to open

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<v Speaker 2>your eyes for once and you saw a woman walking

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<v Speaker 2>with a few bags, maybe she's a single woman, and

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<v Speaker 2>I already.

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<v Speaker 1>Like something is troubling her. Once. I remember having this

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<v Speaker 1>feeling on the train once to Massay from party.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first time you saw woman.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I saw a wman. I was seated

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<v Speaker 1>across from her, and I just could tell by her

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<v Speaker 1>dress she was obviously rich, middle age. She was troubled,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew. I was like, I bet she's getting

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<v Speaker 1>off in pros. She did, and I was like, she's

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to like her husband's house, and like she's

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<v Speaker 1>like wanting to divorce but can't but can't right now

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<v Speaker 1>because she's too accustomed to the lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. They can care for each other, but she's not

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<v Speaker 2>in love.

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<v Speaker 1>I love, and that's why they're like separate, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>both like using asma ones not there in Paris and acts.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just like I could just read it

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<v Speaker 1>all on her face. But she was caught very beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>very classy.

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<v Speaker 2>Shares such an amazing actress, and it's I think I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Moonstruck at a very young age my parents, And

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<v Speaker 2>of course I had known, like you know, knew if

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<v Speaker 2>I could turn back to him the songs. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think I really maybe saw her as a gay icon

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of culture, but knew her as like a

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<v Speaker 2>serious actress, and for so long her career and especially

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<v Speaker 2>covered in this book, no one considers her a serious actress.

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<v Speaker 2>And she said this thing about Silkwood. She went with

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<v Speaker 2>a few of her girlfriends to go to a theater

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<v Speaker 2>in LA when it came out, and she said, when

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<v Speaker 2>the credits started rolling, you know, Meryl Street, people applauded,

0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Kurt Russell applauded. When the name Cher came on, people

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<v Speaker 2>just started laughing in the movie theater, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just in the back there to see the

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<v Speaker 2>public perception because people were like, Share the woman on

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunny and Share show who sings gypsies, tramps and thieves.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants to be a nuclear way like exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, okay, George Bush her movie Wait, but they started

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<v Speaker 1>laughing after the credits at the end of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>opening credits, opening credits, right, and then she proved them

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<v Speaker 1>all wrong. Yes, by disappearing to the rousso completely. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would argue Chare has three acts to her career.

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<v Speaker 1>The first act is her music crews Honey and Cher

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<v Speaker 1>that I think I would also break into two different

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<v Speaker 1>pieces because there's the music part and then they become

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<v Speaker 1>TV comedians. Yes, because the music part starts to like

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<v Speaker 1>not be as popular like during the war, and their

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<v Speaker 1>politics were not really along with the like more hippie

0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.240
<v Speaker 1>music that's popular. But then her second act is basically

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<v Speaker 1>when this book ends, which is the eighties, like her

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar winning movie career, and then her music revival career.

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<v Speaker 2>Of which is I would say a little more.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the peak of her music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if I could turn back time, kind of more stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>not slow rock, but it's like it's a hard rock visual.

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<v Speaker 2>When I say like hard rock, like truly hard rock cafe,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm talking leather jackets, it's teased hair.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like nod in metal, power rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we Yeah, it's a power stadium kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Operatic, yes, and then she's in this phase until the

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<v Speaker 1>phase that I kind of knew her as, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like in the late nineties she becomes this gay icon. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>can get out of my head and then she becomes

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<v Speaker 1>this like drag queen gay icon that like everyone loves

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just like, oh, Share, You're like so ageless

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<v Speaker 1>and like plastic surgery and like coming out with full

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<v Speaker 1>club bangers that like, right, this is when she Believe,

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<v Speaker 1>like the number one song in nineteen y yate in

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<v Speaker 1>the country like for the year, right, And that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really how we like, Yes, maybe like I was watching Minster,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like Believe came out. We were like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is Share. And then at that same time was Will

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<v Speaker 2>and Grace and Jack being obsessed with Share and being like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>gay guys love Share.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't get into her music, and like Madonna,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it was obsessed with her music when I started

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<v Speaker 1>being gay at age twelve, but I like Share. I

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know I, but like then I put

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<v Speaker 1>into the club music. I was like, oh, this is fun,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're dancing to this, and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Believe was being played on Kiss one O eight,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was rocking out to Believe. And then I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like in high school, when I started like discovering records,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna buy this dollar Share record

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<v Speaker 2>Gypsy Trampsynthie's and get into like the seventy stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>it seems so kind of novelty.

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<v Speaker 1>Right because you were lying along with I was like,

0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.520
<v Speaker 1>she's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>She's ridiculous, she's on a horse. Yeah, And I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to clear up something that I have to say personally.

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<v Speaker 2>This summer, I said to a group of friends. They

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<v Speaker 2>asked me what's more important to you? Share? Drama, slash,

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<v Speaker 2>gossip first, oysters? Rank them an order of what's most

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<v Speaker 2>important to you? And I said number one, share right,

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<v Speaker 2>number two, drama, number three, oysters.

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<v Speaker 1>Liar.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone on this lesbian vacation called me a fucking liar,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, Lily, you love gossip, you love oysters?

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<v Speaker 2>Like why are you trying to pretend that you love share?

0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.040
<v Speaker 1>And I don't doubt that you appreciate Share, But even

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, after we read this four hundred page

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<v Speaker 1>book and like are boning up on our share trivia,

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<v Speaker 1>I would still say that gossip and oysters are more

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<v Speaker 1>important to you than Share.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I just want to say, on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 2>at nineteen, who is I for Halloween? Share? What's a

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<v Speaker 2>movie I watch? Over your Moonstone.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no, I mean evidence is piling up.

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<v Speaker 2>I see you mean I do think in general, probably

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<v Speaker 2>drama and gossip, Like what do we doing this podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Gossip? Probably that is number one. Honestly, I love oysters,

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<v Speaker 2>but oysters to me sometimes can feel so dollar oysters

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<v Speaker 2>in importance, Like yes, maybe I'm having oysters more than

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<v Speaker 2>I take.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost I'm a show luxury and the stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, and I'm like in importance of life and culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect shares so much, but I can see how

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<v Speaker 2>everyone form your own opinion and post.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the thing about the original question, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like what could you not live without? And if

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<v Speaker 1>you had to go a month without share or a

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<v Speaker 1>month without oysters, and let's make it hard. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>month of July.

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<v Speaker 2>Right where it's like you all of July without oysters.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think you could probably make a month without share.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go July without Share, Like I start

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<v Speaker 2>pressing believe and then I get zapped with a dog collar. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not July, and I'm trying to cozy up and

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<v Speaker 2>watch Silkwood.

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<v Speaker 1>A silk July is not for silkwood.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're probably right, there, like I'll call myself.

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<v Speaker 4>In like literally maybe what seasonal it seasonal effective share disorder, celet.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to read a quote here, you know, now

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<v Speaker 4>that we've talked about her films and basically kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the last line of the book spoiler alert, not really

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<v Speaker 4>where she's already friends with Frances for Copla because she's

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<v Speaker 4>sow in the Hollywood scene and like cher is like

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<v Speaker 4>not a activist, but she's kind of like she likes

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<v Speaker 4>to be a Hollywood dem and I think she still is,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's very like, you know, we were friends with

0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.960
<v Speaker 4>Francis for Coppola, and we loved that Marlon Brando didn't

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<v Speaker 4>show up to the Oscars and sent like a woman

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<v Speaker 4>from this tribe to like accept.

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<v Speaker 2>His awards of protest. Yes, but she was, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course we said, like a full Jimmy Hendrix, like Woods

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<v Speaker 2>dot Genis Choplin, like lighting herself on fire in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>No, never saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>Later anyway, she was like, Frances, can we talk? He

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<v Speaker 2>just went for The Godfather. Sitting together in my dressing

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<v Speaker 2>room at Caesar's Palace, Frances and I reminisced. He told

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<v Speaker 2>me how much he'd enjoyed my show and then, after

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<v Speaker 2>Breese pause, added why aren't you making movies? I almost

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<v Speaker 2>burst into tears and thought, how were you seeing something

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<v Speaker 2>in me that no one else does? Instead, I told

0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.320
<v Speaker 2>him about the rejections that had been for being too old,

0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.879
<v Speaker 2>too ethnic, too tall, too type cast. I was Share

0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of Sonny, and Share made a punchline from my complicated

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<v Speaker 2>personal life. I explained how producers and directors insisted could

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<v Speaker 2>only ever do TV comedy, never anything serious or real.

0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Frances was sympathetic, but added the problem is that until

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<v Speaker 2>you do something, nobody will believe you can. If you're

0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:24.040
<v Speaker 2>really serious about acting, Share, then stop fucking around and

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<v Speaker 2>go to New York. And that's how the book ends

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.920
<v Speaker 2>chills any one, Yeah, to New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait for part two in two years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just funny because I feel like people that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be a movie star moved to LA but

0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:40.680
<v Speaker 2>he's seriously Broadway, honey, New York or meet with the screenwriters,

0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the intellectuals, you know.

0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And that was because she had really cut her teeth

0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.880
<v Speaker 1>in the TV comedy world and become a real star.

0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.800
<v Speaker 1>And of course the thing is she's so good in television.

0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.680
<v Speaker 1>So I was staying earlier. The first act of a

0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.280
<v Speaker 1>career was kind of sunny and Share mooties, So they

0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.040
<v Speaker 1>were singing together that kind of like doesn't totally work

0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.760
<v Speaker 1>out for them, and they they real they need to pivot,

0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and so the kind of part B of her Act

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<v Speaker 1>one is their TV show and this is what really

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<v Speaker 1>like I Got You Babe has already come out at

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that point, that infamous song that you guys probably know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was.

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Her and Sonny's first ever big hit that put them

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<v Speaker 2>on the freaking map.

0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Well is kind of their biggest ya think Sonny and chare.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they get this TV show and they're having

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.760
<v Speaker 1>this like dead pan comedy routine. So they have this

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 1>whole little like kind of like classic I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not borsched Belt.

0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.280
<v Speaker 2>But it's like not be but it's definitely like my

0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 2>wife type of.

0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>It's sassy goes. Sonny would say something about himself, like

0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>making fun of how he dressed in the sixties.

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I did look a little weird and stupid.

0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I reply, what's your excuse? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Share, do you remember when kids used to try

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to rip my clothes off and scream?

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Now they've screamed after you ripped her clothes off? I'd

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<v Speaker 1>snap timing was everything.

0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Christmas was really nice this year. My mom cooked and

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.560
<v Speaker 2>she really knows how to stuff a turkey, doesn't.

0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.240
<v Speaker 1>She Yeah, straight into her mouth.

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Sonny was the perfect foil and first straight man. He

0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.920
<v Speaker 2>could be hysterical on stage. So it's this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a little new because usually the wife isn't

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.440
<v Speaker 2>so dead pan. Yeah, And it's him being like I

0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.760
<v Speaker 2>love my mom and she makes food and her just

0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.560
<v Speaker 2>being like, yeah, your mom's a fat pig.

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.919
<v Speaker 1>But it's also it is kind of Lucy and Ricky.

0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Well Lucy and Ricky is more like Lucy is like

0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:32.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm crazy, and he's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Lucy, okay, yeah, I guess she's not like cucking

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.200
<v Speaker 1>him so hard. And then she says she's always making

0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.680
<v Speaker 1>jokes about his height, and it's like he's the butt

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of the jokes, and like it's about

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.879
<v Speaker 1>her star power kind of anchoring it and all coming

0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 1>back to her. You know what it is.

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 2>It's honestly Lea Remini and Kevin James. It's Queen. Yes,

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.639
<v Speaker 2>it's like saussy dead pan wife.

0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, hot wife being like, oh you're so short, Like.

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.520
<v Speaker 2>She's right, Like no one wants to see your ass.

0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Like the joke where he's like, hey, do you believe

0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 1>in reincarnation? She's like, yeah, could you come back shorter

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:08.880
<v Speaker 1>next time? Or no, come back taller next time?

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Be the joke and it's funny. So they have this

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.680
<v Speaker 2>like crazy breakup that we've like talked about, and then

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:20.440
<v Speaker 2>they restart the show together and Chaer describes as like

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 2>their humor is totally different, and she's like, yeah, we

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 2>ditch the mother in law stuff. It was just fucking real, but.

0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Still be basically like HiPE jokes. It's still the same.

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.879
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like Kelly Rippet and Mark Consuelo's like

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.960
<v Speaker 1>wish they were the Sonny and Sheriff today.

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the problem with them is she's like too

0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>horny for him. She's laughing too hard. It's him being like,

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.040
<v Speaker 2>uh oh, remember what we did last night and her

0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 2>being like shut up, Mark.

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, she's like too excited.

0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.639
<v Speaker 2>She should just be like, no one wants to hear

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.160
<v Speaker 2>about what you did in bed?

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like she should be like more pretending to be

0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>disgusted and like the most she can do. It was

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 1>just being like, can we not talk about your snoring

0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:08.400
<v Speaker 1>last night? And you're kind of like, oh no, he's snoring.

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Just like a fake headline. That's like Kelly and Mark

0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about the time their kids walked.

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.159
<v Speaker 1>In on them making whoopee, and it's just like how

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<v Speaker 1>many times can we leak this story to the post, Kelly?

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to jump to when Cher basically finds

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<v Speaker 2>out though the contract that Sonny had her.

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<v Speaker 1>In was full bullshit and he basically owned her, and

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<v Speaker 1>she realizes that when they're like wanting to they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the show, but like they're breaking up.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like dating his assistant who.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, and he's been two timing her now

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<v Speaker 1>for years and like she's like never stept out on

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<v Speaker 1>him once except for that one guy Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And then she finally they like break up for

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<v Speaker 2>real and she starts dating David Geffen, which we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get into after this, but let's just do the contract.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is basically her like transitional face to becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>gay dating a gay guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is kind of like this crazy challenge for like

0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>a pop star woman. It's like, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>become the star the gay icons, you must state one

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<v Speaker 2>gay man first, Yeah, and you have to like and

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<v Speaker 2>there's like fire everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually true. It's like eighth Circle of Hell, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you have to date a gay man.

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<v Speaker 2>Who becomes like super efully powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like because I feel like that's kind of Britney

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Spears's last boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like Sam whatever washboard apps.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you must pass the tests. You must pass the.

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<v Speaker 2>Test and like spend time with this deranged man and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, you know what sucks for Terry Hatcher is she

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<v Speaker 1>dated Ryan Seacrest. She didn't get it, she didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>her gay icon status. She should have been bequeathed. She

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<v Speaker 1>was promised she was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also so like Ninja movie, where it's being like

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<v Speaker 2>you took one wrong step, now you will fall into

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<v Speaker 2>the ninth lay of the grove. So David kind of

0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 2>looks over her contract. David asked me about my contract

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<v Speaker 2>and how I got paid. I told him I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know because I never read it. It's about time you did,

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.679
<v Speaker 2>he replied, And somehow he got his hands in the document.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how. He called me up after reading

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<v Speaker 2>it and said, sweetheart, this contract is involuntary servitude. You

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<v Speaker 2>work for Sonny. You have no rights, no vote, no money, nothing.

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 2>You're an employee of something called Share Enterprises, with a

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<v Speaker 2>salary you were likely never paid, and three weeks vacation

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<v Speaker 2>per year. He owns a ninety five percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>company and the rest belongs to his lawyer, Erwin Spiegel.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out what Erwin had gotten for getting rid

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<v Speaker 2>of Joe d Wait a minute, I cried, this can't

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<v Speaker 2>be right. Share I'm right, I promise you. I'm sorry, sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very brittany.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, conservatship. By the way, she said she did sign

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<v Speaker 2>on to it because she thought Share Enterprises was a

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 2>really cool name, which was like, yeah, fuck it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone was like, you're the head of Share Enterprises. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, absolutely, okay, I'll be in deadsured.

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<v Speaker 1>Service, I'll share prizes go to three fourteen. When you

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<v Speaker 1>confronts him, it feels like a Tarantina movie. It feels

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<v Speaker 1>like Jackie Brown kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of flying on fumes. I couldn't face something at home,

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 3>so I asked for a meeting in his office. I

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<v Speaker 3>walked in, sat down, lit a cigarette and stared at

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<v Speaker 3>his face. Son I love hershikosm son.

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<v Speaker 1>Son. I've had someone look over my contract and it

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<v Speaker 1>says I'm your employee that can't be right, can it?

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>How can I be employee? I'm your partner, your wife.

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<v Speaker 1>We created this whole thing together. Noither of us had

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<v Speaker 1>anything when we met. So tell me they're wrong. Staring

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<v Speaker 1>at me and lighting one of his stupid cigars, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say a word. I want half my money's son,

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm only asking for what's fair. I worked my entire

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>life from being a teenager to now, and I'd made nothing.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what I'd earn. But his eyes were cold

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to me. There was none of the sparkle i'd once seen.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to tear up that fucking contract, Sonny, and

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<v Speaker 1>draw up a new one, ansist that I have to

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<v Speaker 1>be your partner fifty to fifty. To my surprise, Sonny

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>shook his head and without emotion.

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<v Speaker 2>Said I'm not doing that, Chare.

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<v Speaker 1>I was genuinely shocked by his response. Reasoning with me

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.119
<v Speaker 1>in a way that sounded almost rehearsed, he told me

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what I was talking about, and asked

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>who was advising me. I knew I had to fight

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>for my rights. I had a daughter to raise, and

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a sister and a mother to worry about. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know a way to give me half the money and

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<v Speaker 1>redo the contract. Sonny, I won't sign for another year

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<v Speaker 1>with CBS. I won't do anything with you. I can't

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>be working for nothing. Son Is shrugged.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll get sued.

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't care well.

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 2>CBS will renew any day, So let's see what you

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>do then.

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it, son I told him, standing up and

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>stubbing out my cigarette. I only want what's fae.

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, period Curia, And you can imagine that office. He's

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 2>probably smoking a cigar, which she points to the moment he.

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Had like turned when he starts being so cigar and yeah.

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>And then he starts hanging out with someone named Joe D.

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And she's always like that was Sonny's capo Basstone.

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because she's so cigarette but like, I mean, honestly,

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>cigars are kind of gross and they get so wet.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>It's wet and else you're supposed to like smoke it

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 2>all day and then put it out and then relight it.

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, you're just kind of like eating it, but you're

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 1>not like smoking.

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, in hail, you just taste the smoke. It's

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>random and it's like we went to the you took

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>me to cigar bar for my birthday once and it

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 2>was fab but I think we all agreed, like.

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>You're kind of like, okay, fantasy check.

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>This weird.

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, I love in Silkwood. They're all smoking around the clock.

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>They're all chained smoking, and they're just like their plane

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and she's just like sifting through so much platonium but

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>just like cigarette in hand. That's how it was.

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>That's how it was back then. Baby.

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>So then she does not renew with the culture or CBS,

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 1>but then they gave her her own show that they

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.120
<v Speaker 1>put up against Sunny like in the time.

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Of Crazy, and she's like so nervous, but she just

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>like does it. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Okay, should we

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>talk We should talk about David Geffen, okay a little

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 2>or Chas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like gay storyline talk about Let's just.

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Talk a little bit about her children, okay, Okay.

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>So Chaer has a trans son who in this book

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>is still her not even lesbian yet daughter.

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so she says, at the beginning of the book,

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I referred to Chaz as Chass and you're kind of like, okay,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, and Chaz gave me permission to refer

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>to him as her chas, so do.

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 1>You even say Chess is.

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Probably Chess son Chess. I think the people who made

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>drag Race made a documentary about Chaz, like in the

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>early two thousands, Oh, the folks from drag Race, folks

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>from drag Race and Wonder World Productions, because like, Chazz

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 2>and shered a pretty like horrible relationship after Chazz came

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>out as trans because I Shared didn't accept him and

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>everyone was like, but she's a gay icon. But it's like, well,

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>she's still just like kind of like a boomer like

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and the documentary is so so many close up photos

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>of Chaz petting his two sphinxes and the walking around

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>to his home.

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>But like then, and why do people with sphinxes always

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>have two?

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I know sphinx.

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Sold they need to like to be in.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Sweaters stuff no thank you, and I love most breaths.

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>They're always freaky, but is that do we project that

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>onto them?

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>They're creepy?

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>They are creepy.

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Way, I think like Share did come around and then

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>they had a good relationship, but currently they are not

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>speaking because Chaer tried to get a conservatorship over her

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>son with Greg Allman because he is an on and

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>off heroin.

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Adut, and Chaz doesn't support the conservatorship of.

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 2>It all, yeah, and thinks that.

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Like even though his stepbrother is an addict.

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he thinks like share shouldn't be the conservatorship

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and that like his wife should.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Be like the heroin AT's wife, Yeah, should just be help.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Obviously she's an enabler.

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure there is two sides to the story.

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>There's two sides to every story.

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's just because it's like Greg Alman was a

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>heroin Autut, who is her second husband from the Alman brothers.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>And it's crazy, but you know, Cher.

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Has avoided all addiction. I mean she never really gets

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>that into anything.

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>And she was trying to help him, you know, kick it,

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>but you can't help it. And but she was being

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>so like he always had long sleeves on, and she's like,

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>but we were still making love.

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's looking the other way a little bit, and

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I wonder if that goes back

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>to also like her growing up. You know, she talks

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>about the domestic violence in her childhood, her mother getting

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>beat up by like various stepfathers and kind.

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Of just her first father being a hero and autut

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>and her.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Kind of just accepting that is kind of the way

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>it was, and like, you know, her mom just having

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to kind of retreat into marriage after marriage because that

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was the only option for women. And she was like yeah,

0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and then my daddy like did choke her once, but

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like that's my daddy. I still love him.

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's this thing with Share and her children.

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're probably getting these snippets, but it's like, yeah,

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>even though obviously Chaer loves her children, I don't doubt that,

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's like.

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>She's share, she's share.

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe of course her kids are like a mama's chair.

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, if your mom is share, like sorry.

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, it's like she's gonna be around them and share.

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Because it's interesting how Sunny has a daughter. When they

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>first meet and you kind of like never hear about

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the daughter.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Ever, No, and she's like, Chas and the daughter got along.

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, where's this daughter? Like she mentioned that,

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>she's like I'll think son was a great dad and

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>then you're like, but I've never seen him do any

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>dad stuff ever.

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And she's always been like I didn't want to leave Chess,

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>but obviously it's always going to like Hawaii and Malibu

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and on so many trips, like leaving the kids. But

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>there's just also a hilarious paragraph in here about Chess

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 2>that I want to read. The fun and games continued

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>for Chess's seventh birthday party that March, which was a blast.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 2>As always, She'd ask for a monster theme, so everyone

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>dressed up and screened young Frankenstein. Chas was in love

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>with Gene Wilder, who starred in the film. Well, in

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 2>her mind, she was in love with Willy Wonka, which

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>was the first role she'd seen him in during the

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Willy Wonka phase. Years before. I'd seen Jeane at a

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Patissa ree in Beverly Hills with Terry Garr, who was

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>going with him at the time.

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>They were going to they were going together.

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>When Chess walked in with Dave a few months later,

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Jeane went up and said hi to her. When she

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 2>realized who he was, she just looked up in his

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>face and stared. She didn't even move. He leaned down

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and kissed her cheek and they walked out the door together.

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>We didn't see them for twenty minutes. They just went

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>around Beverly Hills together. She was so entranced, I think

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.239
<v Speaker 2>she would have walked with him to Egypt for her

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>monster themed party. Chras stretched up as a boy, as

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>she often liked to do, and I noticed for the

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>first time that day that she'd also developed Sonny's long lumbering.

0:32:53.840 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Walk lumbering down seeing also.

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Lumbering down sunset, Terry Gor and I were wondering, what

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 2>was my daughter lumbering down sunset?

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Was that big old lesbian seven year old? Okay, now

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>here's the theory I have. Do you remember when she's

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>pregnant with Chas and Sonny really wants a boy, and

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>right when she's going to the hospital, he goes, remember,

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.479
<v Speaker 1>chare I want a boy? He told me, laughing all

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the way. But I'm like, did Sonny actually will Chas

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to be trans in you to row?

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think it was his intense desire for a

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>male heir that implanted into the womb, turn back time,

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:53.479
<v Speaker 1>turned back in the fetus and then, obviously like her

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>wanting to like please dad or she was like, oh wait,

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, let me become the boy you always wanted.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Me becomes Chaz of today?

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Wait? And then does Chaz go Chazz before after Sunny's death.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a good question, you know what I.

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Mean remember reading in the years that of like Chaz

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>coming out as trans that was like Chaz and Sunny,

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 2>I think always did have a closer relationship than Chaz

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and Share because it's also like probably Share. It's like,

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, the classic mom who's like, I'm a liberal mom,

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 2>but I'm heartbroken that, like my little girl is gone,

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I can't dress you up. Also and like Swede, yeah.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Maybe never that thin is that also part of the yeah,

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>is like insanely thin and like thin, right, and like

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>even though she's not saying that she's like antibody image,

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>she is, yes, And I think that's part of it.

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>So I'm honestly very confused by the current case of

0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the conservatship. And it's like that's so classical. Do every

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, Judy Garland, Liza and Nelly Mommy dearis like

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>there's just all if you're such a gay.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Ie seen as Madonna doesn't seem to have a tempastuous

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Lola, I think she does with Lords, yeah,

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>because I heard what did you hear?

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I heard that this summer someone I knew was with

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 2>La La at the Madonna concert. Uh huh, and brought

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>the friend backstage, but was like, I'm not talking to

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 2>my mom right now.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't seem conservatorship level drops literally backstage at her,

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking to my mom right just.

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 2>More classically being like fuck that bitch.

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ohka wait, there's so many more things we need

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to cover. Tina Turner asking for cover up for her,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like bruises from Ike, like backstage that was so sad.

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 2>And she was like Ike was so scary, and she

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>was like and Tina had such a power, but like

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>was bruised. We all talked about Aspen. Okay, everyone turned

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 2>her pages to three forty one.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Evandy's was different than it is now. It was a

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.720
<v Speaker 1>real town. The people who worked there could actually afford

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to live there. It was all independent stores, no chains.

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>There was a great place called Poppy Cocks where you

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>could buy crapes. A Tom's Market actually run by a

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>man named Tom, a shop that sold the best hat

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 2>truncolate in the world. There was an opera house, an

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 2>old hotel, a toy store, a restaurant that had been

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>in the Ute City bank.

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>It's full small business nostalgia, and she's just being like

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>when the store called Old Toms is actually owned by

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Tom.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>But it's also already gentrifried in this way where it's

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>like a restaurant in a bank, so it's already fallen west.

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:42.959
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you could bum around town.

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>You think the most ungentriferent neighborhood has no bank people

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to be on bank.

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm saying it's still a bank, not a restaurant

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 2>inside of an old bank.

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh, a restaurant that had been the bank. Oh, that

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>is the most restification thing ever.

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>That's like that restaurant.

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 1>The fact that it's not a bank is actually what

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>makes it so jazzy.

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Right, And she's walking around and of course now it's

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>so housewives.

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, I wish I could go to the

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>old places. You know, we're experiencing the same thing on

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Nantucket as you know, where it's like she has to

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>be a bummed out. It literally like no one said

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 1>it was ever poor, but it did used to be

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.800
<v Speaker 1>like more of an artist's colony and more kookie and

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and more small businesses and less just like only Hildebrand

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>friends renting a house for two thousands. I think it

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>went through two changes four thousand.

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>It was like Hippie's Nude Beach. Then it went through

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 2>like our parents generation of being like old money, like yuppie,

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and now it's funny. Is like all the boomers are

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>feeling like they're being gentrified by the pan Asian fusion.

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, they love the pan Asian fusion, but they don't

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>love all the thirty one year old bachelorettes at.

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 2>The pan Asian fusion. Yeah, it's a hard life.

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>My mom loves potstickers.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Let's she was spicy Mayo. Okay, here's the thing. Her

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>and David Geffen, she just like lived at the house

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and Joni Mitchell's the like recording like her first album.

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.320
<v Speaker 2>While she was like sleeping with Day, she said this

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>with David was good. She was like, it was amazing.

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>This part I just found. I don't know, I just

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.919
<v Speaker 1>I got weird. It just made me tingly and freaked out.

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like it. It was hebgb's for me.

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I think, as we said in our part one, Sonny

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't like to kiss. No.

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean the thing is, yeah, the bar was on

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the floor for sure.

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 2>And he's cheating on her. So like David Geffen like

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.959
<v Speaker 2>probably praising her body right and just being like, girl

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 2>looks so fab Like, girl, can I under your bob

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Mackie like tall.

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Fist your pussy's tea.

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>He tastes really good tastes like sushi.

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Have you been to Nobu? Yeah?

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>David was an early roser and went to bed much

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>sooner than I did. I'd stay untilly, fell asleep and

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>get up and head home. So she's still being so like.

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.760
<v Speaker 2>We speaking of actually getting out. She dates Gene Simmons,

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 2>just funny because we've done his wife's book. Yeah, and

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>she was like he was actually sober.

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was like boring, boring, move on.

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>And then it's like she has this really torrid marriage

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 2>with Greg Alman and like goes to the South and

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 2>like eats BBQ with him, and then he divorces her

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 2>nine days after their wedding. Very machine gun Kelly and.

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Kind of figured Greg Alman or Sonny. I think Sonny

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>signing to me seems like.

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of packing packing mustache.

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>But then I'm just like, yeah, I am just like

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.399
<v Speaker 1>falling for the mustache because he is shorter, so it's

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>actually like a kind of like a big boy.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I just think he's using so much heroin, so I'm

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>also seeing it is very limp heroin.

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I actually feel like it's fine.

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>But in the book she was like, they said, if

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you're doing hair and you're not having sex, and that

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the case.

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, they were having sex. So I guess he is.

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's just like ultimate, like Indie Rocker, like he's.

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Like John Voight. I don't know the faces. It's a

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>tough read for me. Have you seen The Banger Sisters? Correct,

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll say this. I think it curves and that's all

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I say. I have seen the Banger Sisters. The polaroids

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>of all Yeah, if you haven't seen.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 2>The Banger Sisters, there's a scene where Susan Sarandon and

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Goldie Han look at polaroids of all the dicks and

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh my god, it's Jimmy Page. Did it

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>really look like that? To bury this book, Sinatra doesn't

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.720
<v Speaker 2>like light filtering into his concerts. He said, the tidbits

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.320
<v Speaker 2>here and get we're wrapping up here. But I just

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 2>saw that in my notes. She's like Sinatra didn't let

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of light into his theaters.

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Princess Margaret is drunk that one time she meets her,

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>which seems like that's like everyone's story about her is

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that she's wasted in a bitch.

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Catherine Hepburn makes share by her house because she's just like,

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a fabulous house, darling, and you must have it.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>And she'd already bought like another house that she'd rented,

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and she was just kind of like following her real estate. Well.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Interesting thing also about the share feminism. When she had

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>her solo share show, all the censors went off because

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they were like, everything you're wearing is too risque. But

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 2>when she was on her married show, that same stuff

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>was fine, but they flagged it yes when she was

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>a solo sock.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, because like marriage helps kind of like deslotify you,

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 1>so like you're allowed to show more skin because they're like, oh, well,

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>she's only sharing it with her husband and the audience.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>He's there to protect her.

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 1>She loves ferraris Wait she I don't remember that part.

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 2>She has a ferrari and she gets mad at one

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.280
<v Speaker 2>of her best friend, Paulette. She just has these two pages,

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>but she's like, I was really pissed at Paulette because

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the gas was low and she said, I'll fill it

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 2>up share. Then I'm driving my Ferrari the next day

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>and she still hadn't filled up my guest tang.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one of those interesting things that I'm glad

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that's in there. Although maybe if I were her editor

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>at HarperCollins or whatever, I might have been like, do

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 1>we need this? Do we need this? Could we get

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 1>this down to maybe three fifty from four hundred page

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>page about gas? But it is one of those revelations

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit that's kind of like you get to

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>see that, like obviously she is more of like a

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>bitch Nandiva than she might let her on in her

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>own memoirs.

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Holding holding on to some things, yes, some graduates memories.

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Some issues childhood and elsewhere.

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, just one more thing about David Geffen. After they

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>break up, he goes on like a silent retreat and

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>obviously he's so budden, so retreat and he was so

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 2>like fuck you after she dumped him with so angry

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 2>gay guy, like how dare you? Like, don't even talk

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>to me if you see him on the street. And

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>he comes back and he's like, I went to the

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 2>most amazing retreat. Four days of silence, three days of yoga,

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 2>one day of swimming ayahuasca Mi.

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:48.439
<v Speaker 1>So, I wonder if she's gonna reveal when she finds

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>out he's gay.

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>In part two, I was driving my Ferrari down Losienaga

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and I saw him with a little boa thing. So,

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>David Geffen, is that your son? He said, no, it's

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 2>my boyfriend. So homosexual, maund what you.

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Want to do your own time is interesting. She never

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>references any lesbianic experiences for herself. No, that's how you

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>say it so convincingly in silk Wood and she plays

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the top.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's in part two, like touches on aids a

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit in this.

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I would love to see, like what did

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 1>her Angelica Houston get up to. And while Jack Nicholson

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>was like passed out in the other room.

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought she was a babe.

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't swing that way, but if you want to,

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:27.959
<v Speaker 1>that's cool.

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 2>You can look at my bone naturals.

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>They're like not big. Okay. Another thing i've her being

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 1>like so into like basically this kind of like boomer

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>gentrification aesthetic as a way of making a feel better.

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Sonny took me to the seaside town of Salsolito for

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the day. I always wanted to go to that pretty

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>town right on the water, and we had one of

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the best days of our lives there. It was foggy

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and atmospheric with little artists in stores. We ate pizza

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>in a pizza parla and literally skipped up and down

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the street together making waves in the fog like a

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>couple of kids.

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 2>She's literally like, we had Detroit style pizza for lunch.

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Follow me and Sonny as we go to Salcledox.

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, the best time my life was looking

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 1>at artisan stores.

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like we grabbed and checked out some shops. I

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 2>bought this really cute ceramic fause. Then we headed down

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.800
<v Speaker 2>to downtown salce Alito, where we got wine at this

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 2>really cute place. Then we had up to the mountaintop

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of Salsledo for dinner.

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Make sure to take your polaroid with the old fog lady.

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>You won't regret it. Gypsies, tramps and segments. What does she.

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 2>So?

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Do we do segments last time? Yeah?

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>But we did for share then and I think we

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.359
<v Speaker 2>should do modern share now? Share now share what we're

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 2>calling share now? What does she eat? I think now

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 2>more than ever. It's like vegan salcolito.

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, chefs, you don't think she's actually so rfk and

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>being like bison and milk.

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Had a beautiful bison bowl with Pharaoh and bison and

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 2>raw on pastor's milk.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>But maybe she is vegetarian. She's keeping it tight because

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>she's not being so like I'm doing gains and like mysels.

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I could see her having a heavy lifting regimen though, oh,

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 2>because now it's all about like women over fifty.

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I feel like her gym is very like

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in a like a chapel, like on her property.

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 2>The benches are like pews. Yeah, walk down to the chapel.

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>From a morning workout.

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like a temple of sorts. And I think, oh, right,

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 2>she's fully dating like a thirty year.

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Old now, yeah, she has just like this just like

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>absolute like twenty nine year old and he's like a

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>stylist or a rapper or like a singer.

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's like I love yeah, And it's.

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Like, well, whatever you want to call at sweetheart.

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 2>And as we know from the Rob Low book, what

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>do we know from the Rob Low they slept together.

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>They slept naked in bed together, when he was like fourteen,

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 2>he was like, I went over to my friend's parents'

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 2>house chair yes, and she was like babysitting him, yes,

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and they slept.

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:25.399
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't include that in her book.

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's post nineteen eighty, which this book ends in. Okay, right,

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>she gets into her cougar era. She's in her seventies

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>rocker dating era because.

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.760
<v Speaker 1>When she's fourteen she gets cut off by Warren Baby

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and then they go and sleep together at his poolhouse.

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And now when rob Low is fourteen, she's being like

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 1>strip Baby, strip Baby. She's cutting him off in her

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 1>like nineteen eighties to dance and it's.

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>So like saxophone. She's taking off a silk robe. Don't

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>be afraid to look.

0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I think she's so artisan stories. So she probably does

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>have like a beautiful like Chinese like Christenberry tea that's

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:06.479
<v Speaker 1>like very rare.

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Her tea collection probably out of control.

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's probably a whole wing wing of.

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Teas chairs that are so interestingly to me.

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>She's like kind of like Louisk Tours, Like there's like

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:25.720
<v Speaker 1>some real antique gorgeous like cherry wood auction boots, auction

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>down boots furniture and like heavier maires and there's like

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>gold leaf. It's like kind of barbetiation. It's kind of Turner, right.

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>But I think there's still like kind of rams that

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>are harkened back to her old school Aspen days.

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 1>And she's not Wade, but she's not aga stuff. No,

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 1>she actually might even be induction.

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think she has a gas range.

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>But you don't think that like she was conduc.

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:53.720
<v Speaker 2>She makes a special sauce.

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 1>The thing is she's so like fuck the Orange Man

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>now and like and I do feel like moms are

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 1>heard about in Duck and they're like be coming off

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>for it.

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I just don't see her.

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>The gas to me is so her right because it's

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>so expressive.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a big gas. I think she's maybe like I'm

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 2>with you in I could see her being like Melee Grill.

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you think she's making her twink boyfriend like some

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like ye, I think midnight snacks. She's like, I'm making

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:24.479
<v Speaker 1>your banana pudding, baby.

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I think she's like sesame broccoli Charred.

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.320
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yes, Mommy.

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Time like Charred Broccolini, Farmer's Mark. It's California.

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>It's off.

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.239
<v Speaker 2>She's chilled off a cup of soup. It's her favorite soup.

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's true.

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like she tofu.

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 1>She's having her cheft do like a Mark butman of

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>super recipe and they're both sipping up, being like m

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and she's walking over to the double door friend and

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.760
<v Speaker 1>be like what do we got and like her assistant

0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:56.800
<v Speaker 1>has like something labeled.

0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.799
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of Diane Keene and Jack Nicholson. Something's gonna

0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>give where the pancakes happened once a year? What if

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I made pancakes?

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Baby? She's making a mess baby, And then like the

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:09.439
<v Speaker 1>staffs cleaning up tomorrow and she's like, oops, that's share

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>for you. Okay, wait, how does she live? It's like

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.240
<v Speaker 1>we discussed this a Jim Chappel.

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I think is like driftwood, but it could also be

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Louis fourteenth.

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like one massive piece of driftwood and wins. I

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:25.320
<v Speaker 1>think it's more of a four.

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Poster okay, four huge four poster, so many sheets and pillows,

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>like you can't even find her.

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:32.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she wants to feel small.

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think she sleeps in a bag of moisturizer.

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.239
<v Speaker 1>She has to legally, legally.

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 2>And she must have one of those like red light

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.720
<v Speaker 2>kendle like tombs. Do you think she has a tomb?

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she has a tomb, or like,

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>does she have like a finished sauna. I think she

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>might have like a rock outdoor sauna, like a stone

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 1>sauna outdoor salt water, Yeah, like a saltwater tappy sauna

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 1>outside that's like a little bit more redtrop Yeah.

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.320
<v Speaker 2>The pool is an natural and crazy yeah, and I

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.280
<v Speaker 2>think the bathroom has tons of beautiful features.

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like her pool is like a pool that

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 1>like Roman plansca did very bad things and.

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Very very bad things. She definitely has a bidet and

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>she uses it, oh for sure, front and back up

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:23.759
<v Speaker 2>the who Yeah, what does she wear? It's either worker

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>clothes or like robes.

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:26.839
<v Speaker 1>I guess. But isn't she still like I'm a show girl.

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 1>So it's like she's going to incorporate like a lot

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of spandex or like lycra into her casual wear, right,

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 1>like because she wants to be like stretchy body constant.

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like she's walking around the house in this body

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.840
<v Speaker 2>con workout thing and then in this very starway like

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.320
<v Speaker 2>until she's in the costume.

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:45.320
<v Speaker 1>It's silk robe okay, but don't you think when she

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is going to the grove, like to get a salad

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and go shopping, she is wearing like kind of stretchy flared,

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:57.800
<v Speaker 1>big flared pants, like kind of like a weird synthetic

0:50:57.880 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 1>material pant.

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>And she likes Barkley sneakers like Carlougerveld sneakers.

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.959
<v Speaker 1>And then like a f and like in the middle

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 1>of summer white, I.

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Make up huge sunglasses, period presses. Who are you in

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the book? Now that we've had time to really think

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 2>about okay.

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Because last time I said that you are the bad maid.

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which I still agree with, m Am. I now

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 2>the good maid who created who created the good maid?

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Who made the ChIL davocato soup for her?

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 1>For the first time, you're labeling everything in the fridge.

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:34.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. Yeah.

0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.000
<v Speaker 2>It's very like how I made shrimp broth the other

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>day and I put it in my soup cube container

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 2>where there's chicken broth, and my was like, are you

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna remember which one is shrimp broth and chicken? Then

0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, I'm gonna write it down.

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. After you mistook like shrimp dip

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.040
<v Speaker 1>for what was your infamous story?

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh after I swapped clam dip for pancake better, Yes,

0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and put scallions on it and it to my close

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 2>friends at the beach.

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I think you are Jean Wilder taking lumbering

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>jazz for a walk the world, and you're because you

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.320
<v Speaker 2>are actually very good with kids, and you're like the

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>world could be yours.

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes. No, that is very cute, and.

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like through the streets of Beverly Hills. Yes, I

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 2>think I'm Terry Garr. I'll stay at the cafe. Yeah,

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you go on with that small lumbering lesbian.

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what do I give this book?

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 2>It's hard because it's always hard, but that's our job.

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, as you said, it's like, yeah,

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 2>do I want the detail about how her friend didn't

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 2>fill up her car twice? Sure? Is that good writing? Yeah?

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Listen, I'm just gonna be frank It's a three out

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of five for me. It's too long, and frankly, it's

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 1>not quite as introspective as I would have liked. There

0:52:56.800 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 1>aren't enough passages where I'm really seeing her reflect. It

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>is maybe too plotty, and I get that that's her

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and there is so much pot and that's fab and

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it washes over you. And I love her career and

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so delicious to do a part one

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of your life that it's.

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Four hundred pages delicious.

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think, you know, there could have been.

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm totally with you. I think also this

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 2>sense of celebrity where the best actors and singers, like

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 2>our Queen Miranda, they show you how they feel in

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 2>their art and they do not reveal it to you.

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what's also interesting is she reveals a lot,

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:36.359
<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't talk about her art then, right.

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:38.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of like, I mean, I guess the

0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 2>end of this is supposed to be her being like

0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about my acting, and it's this

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.960
<v Speaker 2>whole setup. Yeah, and you're like, again, five hundred pages

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of like contracts and like fun stuff in the Playboy

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>man mentioned and the like it's about a time and

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a place and she's a diva And yeah, I'm going

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 2>to give it a three point five and five. I

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of fun the audio give it.

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Because lawsuits with your trend son about your other heroin

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.240
<v Speaker 1>addicted son out of five lawsuits.

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 2>The audio is read half by her, half by someone else.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 2>So she'll start a paragraph and.

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Then it's like some other chick comes in, which is

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:21.879
<v Speaker 1>so her, which is very herb.

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.479
<v Speaker 2>But it's she's very saving my Voice's this book saving

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>my voice, baby, It's.

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Very this book. We were like, okay, you're just kind

0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 1>of not going to get into the hole.

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 2>You get so excited because she'll be like chapter non

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and then it's like Sonny and I and you're like, oh, okay.

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Three point five out of gas ferraris out of.

0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Five Share, we love you, Shall love you, We Love

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>your baby. Bess oh Son.

0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 2>The producer on this podcast. My best friend Darby Masters.

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Did she stop talking to me in nineteen seventy six

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 2>of Caesar's Palace for about a month? Yes? Do? I

0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 2>forgive her? Almost a boo. Far was the supervising producer.

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.960
<v Speaker 2>He is also my husband's best friend. He tore us apart,

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 2>but I still respect him and if he invited me

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to a Christening, I would go.

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 1>This podcast was executive produced by a little Lady, I mean,

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Christian Everett. Our engineer was the Heave Frasier. I worked

0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>with him for seventeen years before we had to follow

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>it out and over a very small amount of money.

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh what music was done by Steven Philips hors. Now

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:33.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a give producer I've ever seen one. He knows

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 1>how to click those buttons and play those keys.

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Who The artwork, Baby was done by Teddy Blanks. I

0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 2>saw him at the school gallery in the north side

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 2>of Aspen. The year was nineteen seventy five. It was

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:49.480
<v Speaker 2>just this little gallery.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, that's groovy, baby. So I had my assistant

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<v Speaker 2>ship it up and send it back to my home

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<v Speaker 2>and saw the ledo. It's still up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Our podcast was created at cbe Yes Studios with prologed

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<v Speaker 1>projects in that Hennsoda one. We terminated that contract, but

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<v Speaker 1>we still remain on very close terms emotionally, spiritually religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby. If you want to give us something a little extra,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know what I'm saying, go on patroon dot

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<v Speaker 2>com slash.

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<v Speaker 1>Stebe slash stebc the pod. There's more content over there, Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's what you need. I got you, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got us. Okay, we got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's time for you to get a twelve dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a month. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's nothing, you get four episodes, five dollars us.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking smack about Hollywood, rock and roll, and gossip, religion,

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<v Speaker 2>semi ostis DJ play that Christmas song, Sir, new Christmas song? DJ,

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<v Speaker 2>won't you play the Christmas song?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Jingle Bell, Oh little bell will be jingling,