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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club.

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Speaker 2: If I could.

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Speaker 1: Turn back time, vac found away, if I can reach

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Speaker 1: the stars, ravac.

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Speaker 2: No to you, that man of dads, of man you.

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Speaker 1: Say, who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.

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Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine killed.

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martinis foor celeb Poop Club.

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Speaker 2: Read it while it's hot. Celevety poop Club. Tell your secrets.

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Speaker 3: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No, boys are a loud celebty book say it loud

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Speaker 2: and pound.

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Speaker 1: Celevetly Poop Club.

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Speaker 2: Spuzz me in. I brought the queer vow.

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Speaker 1: Hey, best friend, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? I'm okay, yeah, thank you me too.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy that we're already several weeks into twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five? Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: I can share.

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Speaker 2: Let's just you guys know it. We're in part two

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Speaker 2: a share right now. I'm just gonna say it. She

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Speaker 2: did a hilarious skit once after the Sunny and Share

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Speaker 2: show ended and she had her solo show called just

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Speaker 2: the Share Show, and she was like, it was the

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Speaker 2: funniest skit ever. It was me Elton, John Bette Mittler,

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Speaker 2: and it was them all doing a skit about being

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Speaker 2: at a senior home in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: It literally takes place in twenty twenty five. Yeah, wait,

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Speaker 1: that's in soon? Is it? Like so robots?

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Speaker 2: You know, I haven't she mentioned in the book, I

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Speaker 2: haven't gone on the youtubes and the archives and found it.

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Speaker 1: We need to pull that up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's like, we were just laughing.

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Speaker 1: We were laughing hard.

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Speaker 2: We had a time.

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Speaker 1: I bet it was like probably just kind of Jetsons

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Speaker 1: and like there's a robot made. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was probably them on like wheelchairs

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Speaker 2: being star like take me to the Bingo area, yeah

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 1: That's what I would do if I were writing that

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Speaker 1: skit today.

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Speaker 2: And maybe they had like slim futuristic headbands.

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Speaker 1: Ye, star Trek styles, you could see that. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: were promised flying cars and here we are in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five and all we have.

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Speaker 2: Is teslas crashing into things.

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Speaker 1: And shitty cell phone service. Sorry, why can't I get reception?

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Speaker 1: An elevator? It's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five and what's the deal with the iPhone updates?

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Speaker 1: I will say it. Actually, it's bad, it's horrible.

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Speaker 2: Did share you didn't predict that, just like goofy little symbols, didn't.

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Speaker 1: Protect yourself, just being on Twitter and like having really

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Speaker 1: bad grandmar and.

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Speaker 2: Just being like huskies lost today, singing sun Malibu, just.

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Speaker 1: Like a completely random spoken word artist Stuporando.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we were saying, everything now on the iPhone

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Speaker 2: is like a sharper image digital frame where everything is

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Speaker 2: a pet memory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's full shutter fly. You can't find anything in there.

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Speaker 1: They just want you to like live in your memories.

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Speaker 2: I know. It's like I don't have to be nostalgic

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Speaker 2: for two days ago, right, it's like you got drinks

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Speaker 2: with Stephen again. You're lucky the paw symbol on like

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Speaker 2: my cat, And I'm always like hoping they're going to

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Speaker 2: reveal something more if it's so futuristic. I'm just being like,

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Speaker 2: like her ancestry, her ancestry or ancestry. They're like, she's

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Speaker 2: actually too possessed Egyptian Mau.

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Speaker 1: You're obsessed with wanting her to be Egyptian. Maybe she's

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Speaker 1: not Lily No.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she's an Egyptian.

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Speaker 1: You have to live with the fact that your cat

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Speaker 1: might just be like extremely domestic.

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Speaker 2: She's a domestic long hair. I do believe, I do declare,

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Speaker 2: I do declare domestic hair.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, speaking of othern act sense. So I watched

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Speaker 1: the incredible share film for which she was nominated for

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Speaker 1: any Academy awar day, Silkwood, So that's nice, which is

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Speaker 1: like a tear jerker drama.

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Speaker 2: Real factory, Southern Gothic.

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Speaker 1: Based on a true story about a whistleblower at a

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Speaker 1: nuclear plant in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Now the whistleblower is played by the one and only.

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Speaker 1: Mary Meryl Street. And wait, have you seen Silquin?

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Speaker 2: I guess you remember I sent you a photo of

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Speaker 2: me watching it.

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Speaker 1: That didn't come through because of the OS. I only

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Speaker 1: know it because on Will and Grace, Jack wants references,

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Speaker 1: just wanting to have a cozy night in and just

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Speaker 1: watch Silkwood. So, like, since I was twelve, Silkwood has

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Speaker 1: had this kind of valance for me, as this just

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Speaker 1: like gay cozy movie that like obviously involves a woman

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Speaker 1: in some way because silk is like a feminine word.

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Speaker 1: But that was I didn't know anything else about it same.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know because I was like, Okay, I've seen

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Speaker 2: Struck a thousand times and it's like one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite movies. So I was like, let me watch another

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Speaker 2: share flick, and she talks about I think in the

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Speaker 2: book we're reading, but maybe.

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Speaker 1: No kind of ends right before it's era.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it must have been an interview I saw

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Speaker 2: with her. So because this book basically ends with her

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Speaker 2: feeling like she really wants to act but no one

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Speaker 1: I would argue, okay, let me just say that. So good,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, brilliant Share. She plays a lesbian with a

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Speaker 1: wolf cut with like an eighties mullet wolf cut like

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma style, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it's like Meryl also has a mullet in it,

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Speaker 2: but like ERR's is like curlier her style. It's like

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Speaker 2: them rolling up in their bustial Honda to like the

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Speaker 2: factory in this opening scene, and they're all in like

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Speaker 2: little single stitch thrash teas and five.

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Speaker 1: Oh one ty of ones that are just like kind

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Speaker 1: like thin because they're like poor, but.

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Speaker 2: And like all sleeping in the same crazy.

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Speaker 1: Like live in this hillbilly house together, but they love

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Speaker 1: each other having fun. There was like popping shiners, and

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Speaker 1: I love any movie also that shows you, like the

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Speaker 1: fun camaraderie underbelly of a workplace, like Made in Manhattan

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Speaker 2: For Melkwood. It's like basically when you get to see

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Speaker 2: the locker rooms of let's say made factory or a hotel.

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Speaker 1: The locker rooms of a non sports job, to me

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Speaker 1: is always like, oh right, they have lockers too.

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Speaker 2: Women and lockers. Yes, women have lockers, but they're not

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Speaker 2: for like jerseys, and it's not like me a ham yes.

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Speaker 1: Or something, the ham less women's lockers. I think it's

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Speaker 2: It's actually such a spooky moment. Watch the spooky moment

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Speaker 2: if you realize, like you know, this nuclear waste movie

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Speaker 2: is they come in one kind of the oldest Southern

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Speaker 2: woman is like putting on her wig and she's like, well,

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Speaker 2: my hair is turning green and fallen out, so I

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Speaker 2: wear this wig.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like then you start realized they're all being

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Speaker 1: poisoned by blue o meum exposure at this plan. You know,

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Speaker 1: it was the eighties, we didn't know better, but they

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Speaker 1: did know better, and it's so Ambrockovich and that's like,

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Speaker 1: ultimately company is evil, et cetera. And so it becomes

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Speaker 1: this like interesting political drama, but it's also a personal

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Speaker 1: drama and soma and a southern drama and Share being

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Speaker 1: a lesbian and then like when she sleeps with the

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Speaker 1: blonde girl and then she's like, this is Darlene. She's

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Speaker 1: a beautician, introducing her to Mail Streep and her and

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Speaker 1: Kurt Russell are both so freaked out, and then they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't out of mind, out of mind at all

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Speaker 1: way of mine either. Then while we're talking about it, well.

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Speaker 2: We let's just stop talking about it if we don't mind.

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Speaker 1: They're like freaked out but also being chill about Shares lesbianism.

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Speaker 2: It's cool also to see Share play Southern, because she

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Speaker 2: usually plays kind of New York.

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Speaker 1: What I think is incredible about that film is and

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Speaker 1: I maybe I haven't seen enough Share films, but she's

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Speaker 1: so good in it. She absolutely deserved the nomination. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who won that year, so I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say she deserved the win, but she definitely deserve

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Speaker 1: the nod. She disappears into this role so deeply, so completely,

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Speaker 1: you don't see like seventies funny comedic share anymore. Like yes,

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Speaker 1: she still has that like sassy share edge where she's

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Speaker 1: dead pan and funny, but like you like fully believe

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Speaker 1: that she is, for Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: A newcomer actress, which any way she was.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because she hadn't been famous for acting at all

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Speaker 1: at that point.

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Speaker 2: I need you to see Moonstruck, like so desperately.

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Speaker 1: Your girlfriend forbade me for watching it without you.

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Speaker 2: Right because she was like, you need to come over

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Speaker 2: and watch him Cameron Mannheim style, but you're gonna flipping

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Speaker 2: freak your ass.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: She plays a woman Italian woman in Carol Gardens. Curly hair,

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Speaker 2: dead pan, she's engaged this Italian guy who you can

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Speaker 2: tell she's not in loveless and he's in love with

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Speaker 2: his mother of course, and it's that thing where you

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Speaker 2: realize in the movie she's thirty six and everyone's just

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Speaker 2: being like you're fucking.

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Speaker 1: Yea, you're dead.

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Speaker 2: You need to marry this man or like go die,

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Speaker 2: And it's about like Italians and Karl Gardens in the eighties,

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Speaker 2: and what happens basically she falls in love with her

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Speaker 2: fiance's brother, who is Nick Cage.

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Speaker 1: Who is a baker actually so Hunter Biden honestly.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, the brother's sole in life. He's just visiting

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Speaker 2: his dying mother in Sicily. Oh and the brothers don't speak.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's even less loud.

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Speaker 2: And Nick Cage is being so hot and like, wife,

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Speaker 2: please her bakery doesn't have an like a hand. He

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Speaker 2: has a fake hand.

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Speaker 1: Nick Cage is a fake hand, yes, oh, and that's

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Speaker 1: why she's into him.

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Speaker 2: And he's like such a crazy top and has always

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Speaker 2: taken her to the opera and like is so like yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he's like throwing her around and it's crazy and

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Speaker 2: she's been like anyway, she's just being like Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, No,

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Speaker 2: this can't happen, Johnny, and olympiad caucuses in it. The

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Speaker 2: dad from Fraser is in it. It's just she transferms

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Speaker 2: so much because you're like Schaer, you're known as being

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Speaker 2: the most like glamorous, like right us jock babest woman

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Speaker 2: and she's just like playing this like you know when

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Speaker 2: you pass a woman in New York who's so beautiful

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Speaker 2: but you know probably has a lot of demons, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I usually don't see women as wide around.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know, they don't smell, you don't see them,

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Speaker 2: so they're registered for me. If you were to open

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Speaker 2: your eyes for once and you saw a woman walking

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Speaker 2: with a few bags, maybe she's a single woman, and

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Speaker 2: I already.

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Speaker 1: Like something is troubling her. Once. I remember having this

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Speaker 1: feeling on the train once to Massay from party.

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Speaker 2: It was the first time you saw woman.

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Speaker 1: The first time I saw a wman. I was seated

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Speaker 1: across from her, and I just could tell by her

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Speaker 1: dress she was obviously rich, middle age. She was troubled,

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Speaker 1: and I knew. I was like, I bet she's getting

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Speaker 1: Right because you were lying along with I was like,

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Speaker 2: important to you? And I said number one, share right,

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Speaker 1: Liar.

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Speaker 2: Everyone on this lesbian vacation called me a fucking liar,

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Speaker 1: And I don't doubt that you appreciate Share, But even

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Speaker 1: I would still say that gossip and oysters are more

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Speaker 2: I guess I just want to say, on a daily basis,

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, I mean evidence is piling up.

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Speaker 2: Gossip? Probably that is number one. Honestly, I love oysters,

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Speaker 1: It's almost I'm a show luxury and the stay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and I'm like in importance of life and culture.

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Speaker 1: I guess the thing about the original question, it's kind

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Speaker 2: Right where it's like you all of July without oysters.

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Speaker 1: Because I think you could probably make a month without share.

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Speaker 2: I have to go July without Share, Like I start

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Speaker 1: A silk July is not for silkwood.

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Speaker 2: So you're probably right, there, like I'll call myself.

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Speaker 4: In like literally maybe what seasonal it seasonal effective share disorder, celet.

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Speaker 4: I want to read a quote here, you know, now

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Speaker 4: and she's very like, you know, we were friends with

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Speaker 4: Francis for Coppola, and we loved that Marlon Brando didn't

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Speaker 2: His awards of protest. Yes, but she was, and of

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Speaker 2: course we said, like a full Jimmy Hendrix, like Woods

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Speaker 2: Later anyway, she was like, Frances, can we talk? He

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Speaker 2: too ethnic, too tall, too type cast. I was Share

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Speaker 2: personal life. I explained how producers and directors insisted could

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Speaker 2: Frances was sympathetic, but added the problem is that until

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Speaker 2: you do something, nobody will believe you can. If you're

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Speaker 2: go to New York. And that's how the book ends

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Speaker 2: chills any one, Yeah, to New York City.

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Speaker 1: Wait for part two in two years.

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Speaker 2: It's just funny because I feel like people that you

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Speaker 1: And that was because she had really cut her teeth

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Speaker 1: And of course the thing is she's so good in television.

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Speaker 1: So I was staying earlier. The first act of a

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Speaker 2: Her and Sonny's first ever big hit that put them

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Speaker 1: Well is kind of their biggest ya think Sonny and chare.

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Speaker 2: But it's like not be but it's definitely like my

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Speaker 1: It's sassy goes. Sonny would say something about himself, like

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Speaker 2: I did look a little weird and stupid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I reply, what's your excuse? Now?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Share, do you remember when kids used to try

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Speaker 2: to rip my clothes off and scream?

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Speaker 1: Now they've screamed after you ripped her clothes off? I'd

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Speaker 1: snap timing was everything.

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Speaker 2: Christmas was really nice this year. My mom cooked and

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Speaker 2: she really knows how to stuff a turkey, doesn't.

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Speaker 1: She Yeah, straight into her mouth.

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Speaker 2: Sonny was the perfect foil and first straight man. He

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Speaker 2: like it's a little new because usually the wife isn't

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Speaker 2: being like, yeah, your mom's a fat pig.

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Speaker 2: Well Lucy and Ricky is more like Lucy is like

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Speaker 1: Oh, Lucy, okay, yeah, I guess she's not like cucking

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Speaker 1: him so hard. And then she says she's always making

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Speaker 1: her star power kind of anchoring it and all coming

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Speaker 1: back to her. You know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's honestly Lea Remini and Kevin James. It's Queen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's like saussy dead pan wife.

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Speaker 1: Yes, hot wife being like, oh you're so short, Like.

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Speaker 2: She's right, Like no one wants to see your ass.

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Speaker 1: Like the joke where he's like, hey, do you believe

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Speaker 1: in reincarnation? She's like, yeah, could you come back shorter

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Speaker 1: next time? Or no, come back taller next time?

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Speaker 2: Be the joke and it's funny. So they have this

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00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 2: like crazy breakup that we've like talked about, and then

437
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: they restart the show together and Chaer describes as like

438
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: their humor is totally different, and she's like, yeah, we

439
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: ditch the mother in law stuff. It was just fucking real, but.

440
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: Still be basically like HiPE jokes. It's still the same.

441
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: I do feel like Kelly Rippet and Mark Consuelo's like

442
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: wish they were the Sonny and Sheriff today.

443
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the problem with them is she's like too

444
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 2: horny for him. She's laughing too hard. It's him being like,

445
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: uh oh, remember what we did last night and her

446
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: being like shut up, Mark.

447
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's like too excited.

448
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: She should just be like, no one wants to hear

449
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 2: about what you did in bed?

450
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she should be like more pretending to be

451
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: disgusted and like the most she can do. It was

452
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: just being like, can we not talk about your snoring

453
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: last night? And you're kind of like, oh no, he's snoring.

454
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: Just like a fake headline. That's like Kelly and Mark

455
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: talk about the time their kids walked.

456
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: In on them making whoopee, and it's just like how

457
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: many times can we leak this story to the post, Kelly?

458
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: So I want to jump to when Cher basically finds

459
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: out though the contract that Sonny had her.

460
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: In was full bullshit and he basically owned her, and

461
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: she realizes that when they're like wanting to they wanted

462
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: the show, but like they're breaking up.

463
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: And he's like dating his assistant who.

464
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: By the way, and he's been two timing her now

465
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: for years and like she's like never stept out on

466
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: him once except for that one guy Bill.

467
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: Right, And then she finally they like break up for

468
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: real and she starts dating David Geffen, which we're gonna

469
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: get into after this, but let's just do the contract.

470
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: Which is basically her like transitional face to becoming a

471
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: gay dating a gay guy.

472
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: Which is kind of like this crazy challenge for like

473
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: a pop star woman. It's like, if you want to

474
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: become the star the gay icons, you must state one

475
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: gay man first, Yeah, and you have to like and

476
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: there's like fire everywhere.

477
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: It's actually true. It's like eighth Circle of Hell, Like

478
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: you have to date a gay man.

479
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 2: Who becomes like super efully powerful.

480
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like because I feel like that's kind of Britney

481
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: Spears's last boyfriend.

482
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Sam whatever washboard apps.

483
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you must pass the tests. You must pass the.

484
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: Test and like spend time with this deranged man and.

485
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: Like, you know what sucks for Terry Hatcher is she

486
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: dated Ryan Seacrest. She didn't get it, she didn't get

487
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: her gay icon status. She should have been bequeathed. She

488
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: was promised she was.

489
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: That's also so like Ninja movie, where it's being like

490
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: you took one wrong step, now you will fall into

491
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: the ninth lay of the grove. So David kind of

492
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: looks over her contract. David asked me about my contract

493
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: and how I got paid. I told him I didn't

494
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: know because I never read it. It's about time you did,

495
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: he replied, And somehow he got his hands in the document.

496
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how. He called me up after reading

497
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: it and said, sweetheart, this contract is involuntary servitude. You

498
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: work for Sonny. You have no rights, no vote, no money, nothing.

499
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: You're an employee of something called Share Enterprises, with a

500
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: salary you were likely never paid, and three weeks vacation

501
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: per year. He owns a ninety five percent of the

502
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 2: company and the rest belongs to his lawyer, Erwin Spiegel.

503
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: It turns out what Erwin had gotten for getting rid

504
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: of Joe d Wait a minute, I cried, this can't

505
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: be right. Share I'm right, I promise you. I'm sorry, sweetheart.

506
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: It's very brittany.

507
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, conservatship. By the way, she said she did sign

508
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: on to it because she thought Share Enterprises was a

509
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: really cool name, which was like, yeah, fuck it is.

510
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: Someone was like, you're the head of Share Enterprises. I'd

511
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: be like, absolutely, okay, I'll be in deadsured.

512
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Service, I'll share prizes go to three fourteen. When you

513
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: confronts him, it feels like a Tarantina movie. It feels

514
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: like Jackie Brown kind.

515
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Of flying on fumes. I couldn't face something at home,

516
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: so I asked for a meeting in his office. I

517
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: walked in, sat down, lit a cigarette and stared at

518
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: his face. Son I love hershikosm son.

519
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: Son. I've had someone look over my contract and it

520
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: says I'm your employee that can't be right, can it?

521
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: How can I be employee? I'm your partner, your wife.

522
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: We created this whole thing together. Noither of us had

523
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: anything when we met. So tell me they're wrong. Staring

524
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: at me and lighting one of his stupid cigars, he

525
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: didn't say a word. I want half my money's son,

526
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm only asking for what's fair. I worked my entire

527
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: life from being a teenager to now, and I'd made nothing.

528
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: I wonder what I'd earn. But his eyes were cold

529
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: to me. There was none of the sparkle i'd once seen.

530
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: You have to tear up that fucking contract, Sonny, and

531
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: draw up a new one, ansist that I have to

532
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: be your partner fifty to fifty. To my surprise, Sonny

533
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: shook his head and without emotion.

534
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Said I'm not doing that, Chare.

535
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: I was genuinely shocked by his response. Reasoning with me

536
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: in a way that sounded almost rehearsed, he told me

537
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was talking about, and asked

538
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: who was advising me. I knew I had to fight

539
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: for my rights. I had a daughter to raise, and

540
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: a sister and a mother to worry about. You don't

541
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: know a way to give me half the money and

542
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: redo the contract. Sonny, I won't sign for another year

543
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: with CBS. I won't do anything with you. I can't

544
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: be working for nothing. Son Is shrugged.

545
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: You'll get sued.

546
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't care well.

547
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: CBS will renew any day, So let's see what you

548
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: do then.

549
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean it, son I told him, standing up and

550
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: stubbing out my cigarette. I only want what's fae.

551
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: Hmmm, period Curia, And you can imagine that office. He's

552
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: probably smoking a cigar, which she points to the moment he.

553
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Had like turned when he starts being so cigar and yeah.

554
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: And then he starts hanging out with someone named Joe D.

555
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: And she's always like that was Sonny's capo Basstone.

556
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: It's funny because she's so cigarette but like, I mean, honestly,

557
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: cigars are kind of gross and they get so wet.

558
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: It's wet and else you're supposed to like smoke it

559
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: all day and then put it out and then relight it.

560
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: Right, you're just kind of like eating it, but you're

561
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: not like smoking.

562
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: You know, in hail, you just taste the smoke. It's

563
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: random and it's like we went to the you took

564
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: me to cigar bar for my birthday once and it

565
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: was fab but I think we all agreed, like.

566
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: You're kind of like, okay, fantasy check.

567
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: This weird.

568
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, I love in Silkwood. They're all smoking around the clock.

569
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: They're all chained smoking, and they're just like their plane

570
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: and she's just like sifting through so much platonium but

571
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: just like cigarette in hand. That's how it was.

572
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: That's how it was back then. Baby.

573
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: So then she does not renew with the culture or CBS,

574
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: but then they gave her her own show that they

575
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: put up against Sunny like in the time.

576
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: Of Crazy, and she's like so nervous, but she just

577
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: like does it. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Okay, should we

578
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: talk We should talk about David Geffen, okay a little

579
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: or Chas.

580
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm like gay storyline talk about Let's just.

581
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about her children, okay, Okay.

582
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: So Chaer has a trans son who in this book

583
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: is still her not even lesbian yet daughter.

584
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so she says, at the beginning of the book,

585
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: I referred to Chaz as Chass and you're kind of like, okay,

586
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: and she's like, and Chaz gave me permission to refer

587
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: to him as her chas, so do.

588
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: You even say Chess is.

589
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: Probably Chess son Chess. I think the people who made

590
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: drag Race made a documentary about Chaz, like in the

591
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: early two thousands, Oh, the folks from drag Race, folks

592
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: from drag Race and Wonder World Productions, because like, Chazz

593
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: and shered a pretty like horrible relationship after Chazz came

594
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: out as trans because I Shared didn't accept him and

595
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: everyone was like, but she's a gay icon. But it's like, well,

596
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: she's still just like kind of like a boomer like

597
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: and the documentary is so so many close up photos

598
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: of Chaz petting his two sphinxes and the walking around

599
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: to his home.

600
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: But like then, and why do people with sphinxes always

601
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: have two?

602
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: I know sphinx.

603
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Sold they need to like to be in.

604
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: Sweaters stuff no thank you, and I love most breaths.

605
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: They're always freaky, but is that do we project that

606
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: onto them?

607
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: They're creepy?

608
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: They are creepy.

609
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: Way, I think like Share did come around and then

610
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: they had a good relationship, but currently they are not

611
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: speaking because Chaer tried to get a conservatorship over her

612
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: son with Greg Allman because he is an on and

613
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: off heroin.

614
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: Adut, and Chaz doesn't support the conservatorship of.

615
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: It all, yeah, and thinks that.

616
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Like even though his stepbrother is an addict.

617
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he thinks like share shouldn't be the conservatorship

618
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: and that like his wife should.

619
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Be like the heroin AT's wife, Yeah, should just be help.

620
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: Obviously she's an enabler.

621
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there is two sides to the story.

622
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: There's two sides to every story.

623
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: And it's just because it's like Greg Alman was a

624
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: heroin Autut, who is her second husband from the Alman brothers.

625
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, but you know, Cher.

626
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: Has avoided all addiction. I mean she never really gets

627
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: that into anything.

628
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: And she was trying to help him, you know, kick it,

629
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: but you can't help it. And but she was being

630
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: so like he always had long sleeves on, and she's like,

631
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: but we were still making love.

632
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's looking the other way a little bit, and

633
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I wonder if that goes back

634
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: to also like her growing up. You know, she talks

635
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: about the domestic violence in her childhood, her mother getting

636
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: beat up by like various stepfathers and kind.

637
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Of just her first father being a hero and autut

638
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: and her.

639
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Kind of just accepting that is kind of the way

640
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it was, and like, you know, her mom just having

641
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: to kind of retreat into marriage after marriage because that

642
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: was the only option for women. And she was like yeah,

643
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: and then my daddy like did choke her once, but

644
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: like that's my daddy. I still love him.

645
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: And I think it's this thing with Share and her children.

646
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: You know, we're probably getting these snippets, but it's like, yeah,

647
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: even though obviously Chaer loves her children, I don't doubt that,

648
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: but it's like.

649
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: She's share, she's share.

650
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Maybe of course her kids are like a mama's chair.

651
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if your mom is share, like sorry.

652
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, it's like she's gonna be around them and share.

653
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Because it's interesting how Sunny has a daughter. When they

654
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: first meet and you kind of like never hear about

655
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: the daughter.

656
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: Ever, No, and she's like, Chas and the daughter got along.

657
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, where's this daughter? Like she mentioned that,

658
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: she's like I'll think son was a great dad and

659
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: then you're like, but I've never seen him do any

660
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: dad stuff ever.

661
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: And she's always been like I didn't want to leave Chess,

662
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: but obviously it's always going to like Hawaii and Malibu

663
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: and on so many trips, like leaving the kids. But

664
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: there's just also a hilarious paragraph in here about Chess

665
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: that I want to read. The fun and games continued

666
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: for Chess's seventh birthday party that March, which was a blast.

667
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: As always, She'd ask for a monster theme, so everyone

668
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: dressed up and screened young Frankenstein. Chas was in love

669
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: with Gene Wilder, who starred in the film. Well, in

670
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: her mind, she was in love with Willy Wonka, which

671
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: was the first role she'd seen him in during the

672
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: Willy Wonka phase. Years before. I'd seen Jeane at a

673
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: Patissa ree in Beverly Hills with Terry Garr, who was

674
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: going with him at the time.

675
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: They were going to they were going together.

676
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: When Chess walked in with Dave a few months later,

677
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Jeane went up and said hi to her. When she

678
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: realized who he was, she just looked up in his

679
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: face and stared. She didn't even move. He leaned down

680
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: and kissed her cheek and they walked out the door together.

681
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: We didn't see them for twenty minutes. They just went

682
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: around Beverly Hills together. She was so entranced, I think

683
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 2: she would have walked with him to Egypt for her

684
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: monster themed party. Chras stretched up as a boy, as

685
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: she often liked to do, and I noticed for the

686
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: first time that day that she'd also developed Sonny's long lumbering.

687
00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: Walk lumbering down seeing also.

688
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: Lumbering down sunset, Terry Gor and I were wondering, what

689
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: was my daughter lumbering down sunset?

690
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: Was that big old lesbian seven year old? Okay, now

691
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: here's the theory I have. Do you remember when she's

692
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: pregnant with Chas and Sonny really wants a boy, and

693
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: right when she's going to the hospital, he goes, remember,

694
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: chare I want a boy? He told me, laughing all

695
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: the way. But I'm like, did Sonny actually will Chas

696
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: to be trans in you to row?

697
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: Yes?

698
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it was his intense desire for a

699
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: male heir that implanted into the womb, turn back time,

700
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: turned back in the fetus and then, obviously like her

701
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: wanting to like please dad or she was like, oh wait,

702
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let me become the boy you always wanted.

703
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: Me becomes Chaz of today?

704
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: Wait? And then does Chaz go Chazz before after Sunny's death.

705
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: It's a good question, you know what I.

706
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: Mean remember reading in the years that of like Chaz

707
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: coming out as trans that was like Chaz and Sunny,

708
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: I think always did have a closer relationship than Chaz

709
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: and Share because it's also like probably Share. It's like,

710
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: you know, the classic mom who's like, I'm a liberal mom,

711
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: but I'm heartbroken that, like my little girl is gone,

712
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: I can't dress you up. Also and like Swede, yeah.

713
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Maybe never that thin is that also part of the yeah,

714
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: is like insanely thin and like thin, right, and like

715
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: even though she's not saying that she's like antibody image,

716
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: she is, yes, And I think that's part of it.

717
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: So I'm honestly very confused by the current case of

718
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: the conservatship. And it's like that's so classical. Do every

719
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, Judy Garland, Liza and Nelly Mommy dearis like

720
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: there's just all if you're such a gay.

721
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: Ie seen as Madonna doesn't seem to have a tempastuous

722
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: relationship with Lola, I think she does with Lords, yeah,

723
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: because I heard what did you hear?

724
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: I heard that this summer someone I knew was with

725
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 2: La La at the Madonna concert. Uh huh, and brought

726
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: the friend backstage, but was like, I'm not talking to

727
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: my mom right now.

728
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem conservatorship level drops literally backstage at her,

729
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to my mom right just.

730
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: More classically being like fuck that bitch.

731
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, ohka wait, there's so many more things we need

732
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: to cover. Tina Turner asking for cover up for her,

733
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: like bruises from Ike, like backstage that was so sad.

734
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: And she was like Ike was so scary, and she

735
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: was like and Tina had such a power, but like

736
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: was bruised. We all talked about Aspen. Okay, everyone turned

737
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: her pages to three forty one.

738
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Evandy's was different than it is now. It was a

739
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: real town. The people who worked there could actually afford

740
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: to live there. It was all independent stores, no chains.

741
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: There was a great place called Poppy Cocks where you

742
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: could buy crapes. A Tom's Market actually run by a

743
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: man named Tom, a shop that sold the best hat

744
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: truncolate in the world. There was an opera house, an

745
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: old hotel, a toy store, a restaurant that had been

746
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: in the Ute City bank.

747
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: It's full small business nostalgia, and she's just being like

748
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: when the store called Old Toms is actually owned by

749
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: a guy named Tom.

750
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: But it's also already gentrifried in this way where it's

751
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: like a restaurant in a bank, so it's already fallen west.

752
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 2: And she's like, you could bum around town.

753
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: You think the most ungentriferent neighborhood has no bank people

754
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: to be on bank.

755
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying it's still a bank, not a restaurant

756
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: inside of an old bank.

757
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Oh, a restaurant that had been the bank. Oh, that

758
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: is the most restification thing ever.

759
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: That's like that restaurant.

760
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: The fact that it's not a bank is actually what

761
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: makes it so jazzy.

762
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: Right, And she's walking around and of course now it's

763
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: so housewives.

764
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I wish I could go to the

765
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: old places. You know, we're experiencing the same thing on

766
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: Nantucket as you know, where it's like she has to

767
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: be a bummed out. It literally like no one said

768
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: it was ever poor, but it did used to be

769
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: like more of an artist's colony and more kookie and

770
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: and more small businesses and less just like only Hildebrand

771
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: friends renting a house for two thousands. I think it

772
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: went through two changes four thousand.

773
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: It was like Hippie's Nude Beach. Then it went through

774
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: like our parents generation of being like old money, like yuppie,

775
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: and now it's funny. Is like all the boomers are

776
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: feeling like they're being gentrified by the pan Asian fusion.

777
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: Well, they love the pan Asian fusion, but they don't

778
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: love all the thirty one year old bachelorettes at.

779
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: The pan Asian fusion. Yeah, it's a hard life.

780
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: My mom loves potstickers.

781
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: Let's she was spicy Mayo. Okay, here's the thing. Her

782
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: and David Geffen, she just like lived at the house

783
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: and Joni Mitchell's the like recording like her first album.

784
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: While she was like sleeping with Day, she said this

785
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: with David was good. She was like, it was amazing.

786
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: This part I just found. I don't know, I just

787
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: I got weird. It just made me tingly and freaked out.

788
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was hebgb's for me.

789
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: I think, as we said in our part one, Sonny

790
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: didn't like to kiss. No.

791
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, yeah, the bar was on

792
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: the floor for sure.

793
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: And he's cheating on her. So like David Geffen like

794
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 2: probably praising her body right and just being like, girl

795
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: looks so fab Like, girl, can I under your bob

796
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: Mackie like tall.

797
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: Fist your pussy's tea.

798
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: He tastes really good tastes like sushi.

799
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Have you been to Nobu? Yeah?

800
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

801
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: David was an early roser and went to bed much

802
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: sooner than I did. I'd stay untilly, fell asleep and

803
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: get up and head home. So she's still being so like.

804
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: We speaking of actually getting out. She dates Gene Simmons,

805
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: just funny because we've done his wife's book. Yeah, and

806
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: she was like he was actually sober.

807
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like boring, boring, move on.

808
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: And then it's like she has this really torrid marriage

809
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: with Greg Alman and like goes to the South and

810
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: like eats BBQ with him, and then he divorces her

811
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: nine days after their wedding. Very machine gun Kelly and.

812
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: Kind of figured Greg Alman or Sonny. I think Sonny

813
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: signing to me seems like.

814
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: He's kind of packing packing mustache.

815
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: But then I'm just like, yeah, I am just like

816
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: falling for the mustache because he is shorter, so it's

817
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: actually like a kind of like a big boy.

818
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: I just think he's using so much heroin, so I'm

819
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: also seeing it is very limp heroin.

820
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: I actually feel like it's fine.

821
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: But in the book she was like, they said, if

822
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: you're doing hair and you're not having sex, and that

823
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: wasn't the case.

824
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Right, they were having sex. So I guess he is.

825
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just like ultimate, like Indie Rocker, like he's.

826
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: Like John Voight. I don't know the faces. It's a

827
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: tough read for me. Have you seen The Banger Sisters? Correct,

828
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I think it curves and that's all

829
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: I say. I have seen the Banger Sisters. The polaroids

830
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: of all Yeah, if you haven't seen.

831
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: The Banger Sisters, there's a scene where Susan Sarandon and

832
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: Goldie Han look at polaroids of all the dicks and

833
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: they're like, oh my god, it's Jimmy Page. Did it

834
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: really look like that? To bury this book, Sinatra doesn't

835
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: like light filtering into his concerts. He said, the tidbits

836
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: here and get we're wrapping up here. But I just

837
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: saw that in my notes. She's like Sinatra didn't let

838
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of light into his theaters.

839
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: Princess Margaret is drunk that one time she meets her,

840
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: which seems like that's like everyone's story about her is

841
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: that she's wasted in a bitch.

842
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: Catherine Hepburn makes share by her house because she's just like,

843
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: it's a fabulous house, darling, and you must have it.

844
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: And she'd already bought like another house that she'd rented,

845
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: and she was just kind of like following her real estate. Well.

846
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: Interesting thing also about the share feminism. When she had

847
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: her solo share show, all the censors went off because

848
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: they were like, everything you're wearing is too risque. But

849
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: when she was on her married show, that same stuff

850
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: was fine, but they flagged it yes when she was

851
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: a solo sock.

852
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: Right, because like marriage helps kind of like deslotify you,

853
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: so like you're allowed to show more skin because they're like, oh, well,

854
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: she's only sharing it with her husband and the audience.

855
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: He's there to protect her.

856
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: She loves ferraris Wait she I don't remember that part.

857
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: She has a ferrari and she gets mad at one

858
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: of her best friend, Paulette. She just has these two pages,

859
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: but she's like, I was really pissed at Paulette because

860
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: the gas was low and she said, I'll fill it

861
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: up share. Then I'm driving my Ferrari the next day

862
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: and she still hadn't filled up my guest tang.

863
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those interesting things that I'm glad

864
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: that's in there. Although maybe if I were her editor

865
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: at HarperCollins or whatever, I might have been like, do

866
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: we need this? Do we need this? Could we get

867
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: this down to maybe three fifty from four hundred page

868
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: page about gas? But it is one of those revelations

869
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: a little bit that's kind of like you get to

870
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: see that, like obviously she is more of like a

871
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: bitch Nandiva than she might let her on in her

872
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: own memoirs.

873
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: Holding holding on to some things, yes, some graduates memories.

874
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: Some issues childhood and elsewhere.

875
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh, just one more thing about David Geffen. After they

876
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: break up, he goes on like a silent retreat and

877
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: obviously he's so budden, so retreat and he was so

878
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: like fuck you after she dumped him with so angry

879
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: gay guy, like how dare you? Like, don't even talk

880
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: to me if you see him on the street. And

881
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: he comes back and he's like, I went to the

882
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: most amazing retreat. Four days of silence, three days of yoga,

883
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: one day of swimming ayahuasca Mi.

884
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: So, I wonder if she's gonna reveal when she finds

885
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: out he's gay.

886
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: In part two, I was driving my Ferrari down Losienaga

887
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: and I saw him with a little boa thing. So,

888
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: David Geffen, is that your son? He said, no, it's

889
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: my boyfriend. So homosexual, maund what you.

890
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Want to do your own time is interesting. She never

891
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: references any lesbianic experiences for herself. No, that's how you

892
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: say it so convincingly in silk Wood and she plays

893
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: the top.

894
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: Maybe that's in part two, like touches on aids a

895
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: little bit in this.

896
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would love to see, like what did

897
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: her Angelica Houston get up to. And while Jack Nicholson

898
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: was like passed out in the other room.

899
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: You know, I thought she was a babe.

900
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't swing that way, but if you want to,

901
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: that's cool.

902
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: You can look at my bone naturals.

903
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: They're like not big. Okay. Another thing i've her being

904
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: like so into like basically this kind of like boomer

905
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: gentrification aesthetic as a way of making a feel better.

906
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Sonny took me to the seaside town of Salsolito for

907
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: the day. I always wanted to go to that pretty

908
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: town right on the water, and we had one of

909
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: the best days of our lives there. It was foggy

910
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: and atmospheric with little artists in stores. We ate pizza

911
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: in a pizza parla and literally skipped up and down

912
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: the street together making waves in the fog like a

913
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: couple of kids.

914
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: She's literally like, we had Detroit style pizza for lunch.

915
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: Follow me and Sonny as we go to Salcledox.

916
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: And she's like, the best time my life was looking

917
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: at artisan stores.

918
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: It's like we grabbed and checked out some shops. I

919
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: bought this really cute ceramic fause. Then we headed down

920
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: to downtown salce Alito, where we got wine at this

921
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: really cute place. Then we had up to the mountaintop

922
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: of Salsledo for dinner.

923
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Make sure to take your polaroid with the old fog lady.

924
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: You won't regret it. Gypsies, tramps and segments. What does she.

925
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: So?

926
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Do we do segments last time? Yeah?

927
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: But we did for share then and I think we

928
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: should do modern share now? Share now share what we're

929
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: calling share now? What does she eat? I think now

930
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: more than ever. It's like vegan salcolito.

931
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: Okay, chefs, you don't think she's actually so rfk and

932
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: being like bison and milk.

933
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: Had a beautiful bison bowl with Pharaoh and bison and

934
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: raw on pastor's milk.

935
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: But maybe she is vegetarian. She's keeping it tight because

936
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: she's not being so like I'm doing gains and like mysels.

937
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: I could see her having a heavy lifting regimen though, oh,

938
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: because now it's all about like women over fifty.

939
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: Yes, And I feel like her gym is very like

940
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: in a like a chapel, like on her property.

941
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: The benches are like pews. Yeah, walk down to the chapel.

942
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: From a morning workout.

943
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: It's like a temple of sorts. And I think, oh, right,

944
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: she's fully dating like a thirty year.

945
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: Old now, yeah, she has just like this just like

946
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: absolute like twenty nine year old and he's like a

947
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: stylist or a rapper or like a singer.

948
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like I love yeah, And it's.

949
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: Like, well, whatever you want to call at sweetheart.

950
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: And as we know from the Rob Low book, what

951
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: do we know from the Rob Low they slept together.

952
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: They slept naked in bed together, when he was like fourteen,

953
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: he was like, I went over to my friend's parents'

954
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: house chair yes, and she was like babysitting him, yes,

955
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: and they slept.

956
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: She doesn't include that in her book.

957
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: Well, let's post nineteen eighty, which this book ends in. Okay, right,

958
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: she gets into her cougar era. She's in her seventies

959
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: rocker dating era because.

960
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: When she's fourteen she gets cut off by Warren Baby

961
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: and then they go and sleep together at his poolhouse.

962
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: And now when rob Low is fourteen, she's being like

963
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: strip Baby, strip Baby. She's cutting him off in her

964
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighties to dance and it's.

965
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: So like saxophone. She's taking off a silk robe. Don't

966
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: be afraid to look.

967
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I think she's so artisan stories. So she probably does

968
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: have like a beautiful like Chinese like Christenberry tea that's

969
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: like very rare.

970
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: Her tea collection probably out of control.

971
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably a whole wing wing of.

972
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: Teas chairs that are so interestingly to me.

973
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: She's like kind of like Louisk Tours, Like there's like

974
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: some real antique gorgeous like cherry wood auction boots, auction

975
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: down boots furniture and like heavier maires and there's like

976
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: gold leaf. It's like kind of barbetiation. It's kind of Turner, right.

977
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: But I think there's still like kind of rams that

978
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: are harkened back to her old school Aspen days.

979
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: And she's not Wade, but she's not aga stuff. No,

980
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: she actually might even be induction.

981
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she has a gas range.

982
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: But you don't think that like she was conduc.

983
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: She makes a special sauce.

984
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: The thing is she's so like fuck the Orange Man

985
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: now and like and I do feel like moms are

986
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: heard about in Duck and they're like be coming off

987
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: for it.

988
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: I just don't see her.

989
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: The gas to me is so her right because it's

990
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: so expressive.

991
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big gas. I think she's maybe like I'm

992
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: with you in I could see her being like Melee Grill.

993
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: Do you think she's making her twink boyfriend like some

994
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: like ye, I think midnight snacks. She's like, I'm making

995
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: your banana pudding, baby.

996
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: I think she's like sesame broccoli Charred.

997
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, Mommy.

998
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: Time like Charred Broccolini, Farmer's Mark. It's California.

999
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: It's off.

1000
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: She's chilled off a cup of soup. It's her favorite soup.

1001
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.

1002
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like she tofu.

1003
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: She's having her cheft do like a Mark butman of

1004
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: super recipe and they're both sipping up, being like m

1005
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: and she's walking over to the double door friend and

1006
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: be like what do we got and like her assistant

1007
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: has like something labeled.

1008
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: It's kind of Diane Keene and Jack Nicholson. Something's gonna

1009
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: give where the pancakes happened once a year? What if

1010
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: I made pancakes?

1011
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: Baby? She's making a mess baby, And then like the

1012
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: staffs cleaning up tomorrow and she's like, oops, that's share

1013
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, wait, how does she live? It's like

1014
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: we discussed this a Jim Chappel.

1015
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: I think is like driftwood, but it could also be

1016
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: Louis fourteenth.

1017
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: It's like one massive piece of driftwood and wins. I

1018
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: think it's more of a four.

1019
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Poster okay, four huge four poster, so many sheets and pillows,

1020
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: like you can't even find her.

1021
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants to feel small.

1022
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: And I think she sleeps in a bag of moisturizer.

1023
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: She has to legally, legally.

1024
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: And she must have one of those like red light

1025
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: kendle like tombs. Do you think she has a tomb?

1026
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if she has a tomb, or like,

1027
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: does she have like a finished sauna. I think she

1028
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: might have like a rock outdoor sauna, like a stone

1029
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: sauna outdoor salt water, Yeah, like a saltwater tappy sauna

1030
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: outside that's like a little bit more redtrop Yeah.

1031
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: The pool is an natural and crazy yeah, and I

1032
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: think the bathroom has tons of beautiful features.

1033
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like her pool is like a pool that

1034
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: like Roman plansca did very bad things and.

1035
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: Very very bad things. She definitely has a bidet and

1036
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: she uses it, oh for sure, front and back up

1037
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: the who Yeah, what does she wear? It's either worker

1038
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: clothes or like robes.

1039
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: I guess. But isn't she still like I'm a show girl.

1040
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: So it's like she's going to incorporate like a lot

1041
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: of spandex or like lycra into her casual wear, right,

1042
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: like because she wants to be like stretchy body constant.

1043
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: It's like she's walking around the house in this body

1044
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: con workout thing and then in this very starway like

1045
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: until she's in the costume.

1046
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: It's silk robe okay, but don't you think when she

1047
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: is going to the grove, like to get a salad

1048
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: and go shopping, she is wearing like kind of stretchy flared,

1049
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: big flared pants, like kind of like a weird synthetic

1050
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: material pant.

1051
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: And she likes Barkley sneakers like Carlougerveld sneakers.

1052
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: And then like a f and like in the middle

1053
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: of summer white, I.

1054
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: Make up huge sunglasses, period presses. Who are you in

1055
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: the book? Now that we've had time to really think

1056
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: about okay.

1057
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Because last time I said that you are the bad maid.

1058
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: Yes, which I still agree with, m Am. I now

1059
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: the good maid who created who created the good maid?

1060
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: Who made the ChIL davocato soup for her?

1061
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: For the first time, you're labeling everything in the fridge.

1062
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Yeah.

1063
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: It's very like how I made shrimp broth the other

1064
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: day and I put it in my soup cube container

1065
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: where there's chicken broth, and my was like, are you

1066
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: gonna remember which one is shrimp broth and chicken? Then

1067
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm gonna write it down.

1068
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. After you mistook like shrimp dip

1069
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: for what was your infamous story?

1070
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh after I swapped clam dip for pancake better, Yes,

1071
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: and put scallions on it and it to my close

1072
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: friends at the beach.

1073
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1074
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think you are Jean Wilder taking lumbering

1075
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: jazz for a walk the world, and you're because you

1076
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: are actually very good with kids, and you're like the

1077
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: world could be yours.

1078
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Yes. No, that is very cute, and.

1079
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: It's like through the streets of Beverly Hills. Yes, I

1080
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: think I'm Terry Garr. I'll stay at the cafe. Yeah,

1081
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: you go on with that small lumbering lesbian.

1082
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: Okay, what do I give this book?

1083
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: It's hard because it's always hard, but that's our job.

1084
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, as you said, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: do I want the detail about how her friend didn't

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Speaker 2: fill up her car twice? Sure? Is that good writing? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm just gonna be frank It's a three out

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Speaker 1: of five for me. It's too long, and frankly, it's

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00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: not quite as introspective as I would have liked. There

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00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: aren't enough passages where I'm really seeing her reflect. It

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00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: is maybe too plotty, and I get that that's her

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00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: and there is so much pot and that's fab and

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00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: it washes over you. And I love her career and

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00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I think it's so delicious to do a part one

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00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: of your life that it's.

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Speaker 2: Four hundred pages delicious.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, you know, there could have been.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm totally with you. I think also this

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00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: sense of celebrity where the best actors and singers, like

1100
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: our Queen Miranda, they show you how they feel in

1101
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: their art and they do not reveal it to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's also interesting is she reveals a lot,

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00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: but she doesn't talk about her art then, right.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, I mean, I guess the

1105
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: end of this is supposed to be her being like

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00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: I want to talk about my acting, and it's this

1107
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: whole setup. Yeah, and you're like, again, five hundred pages

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: of like contracts and like fun stuff in the Playboy

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00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: man mentioned and the like it's about a time and

1110
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: a place and she's a diva And yeah, I'm going

1111
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: to give it a three point five and five. I

1112
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: had a lot of fun the audio give it.

1113
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: Because lawsuits with your trend son about your other heroin

1114
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Speaker 1: addicted son out of five lawsuits.

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00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: The audio is read half by her, half by someone else.

1116
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: So she'll start a paragraph and.

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00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: Then it's like some other chick comes in, which is

1118
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: so her, which is very herb.

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00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 2: But it's she's very saving my Voice's this book saving

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Speaker 2: my voice, baby, It's.

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Speaker 1: Very this book. We were like, okay, you're just kind

1122
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: of not going to get into the hole.

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00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: You get so excited because she'll be like chapter non

1124
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: and then it's like Sonny and I and you're like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 2: Three point five out of gas ferraris out of.

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Speaker 1: Five Share, we love you, Shall love you, We Love

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Speaker 1: your baby. Bess oh Son.

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Speaker 2: The producer on this podcast. My best friend Darby Masters.

1129
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Did she stop talking to me in nineteen seventy six

1130
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: of Caesar's Palace for about a month? Yes? Do? I

1131
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: forgive her? Almost a boo. Far was the supervising producer.

1132
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: He is also my husband's best friend. He tore us apart,

1133
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: but I still respect him and if he invited me

1134
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: to a Christening, I would go.

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Speaker 1: This podcast was executive produced by a little Lady, I mean,

1136
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: Christian Everett. Our engineer was the Heave Frasier. I worked

1137
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: with him for seventeen years before we had to follow

1138
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Speaker 1: it out and over a very small amount of money.

1139
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: Oh what music was done by Steven Philips hors. Now

1140
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: there's a give producer I've ever seen one. He knows

1141
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: how to click those buttons and play those keys.

1142
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: Who The artwork, Baby was done by Teddy Blanks. I

1143
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: saw him at the school gallery in the north side

1144
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: of Aspen. The year was nineteen seventy five. It was

1145
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: just this little gallery.

1146
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: I walked in.

1147
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: I said, that's groovy, baby. So I had my assistant

1148
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: ship it up and send it back to my home

1149
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: and saw the ledo. It's still up there.

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Speaker 1: Our podcast was created at cbe Yes Studios with prologed

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: projects in that Hennsoda one. We terminated that contract, but

1152
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: we still remain on very close terms emotionally, spiritually religious.

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Speaker 2: Baby. If you want to give us something a little extra,

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Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying, go on patroon dot

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Speaker 2: com slash.

1156
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Stebe slash stebc the pod. There's more content over there, Baby.

1157
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: I know that's what you need. I got you, baby,

1158
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: but you got us. Okay, we got you.

1159
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: Now it's time for you to get a twelve dollars

1160
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Speaker 2: a month. Baby.

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00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: If that's nothing, you get four episodes, five dollars us.

1162
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: Talking smack about Hollywood, rock and roll, and gossip, religion,

1163
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: semi ostis DJ play that Christmas song, Sir, new Christmas song? DJ,

1164
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: won't you play the Christmas song?

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00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: Oh Jingle Bell, Oh little bell will be jingling,