Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's calling and um, okay,
Speaker 1: bowen a couple of items of business? Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say more than a couple. That's just really under underballing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and say several items of business because
Speaker 1: actually it's a rural culture. Several is more than a couple,
Speaker 1: and it's rual culture number ninety four. Several is more.
Speaker 1: And here I was, as a young child, thinking that
Speaker 1: several must mean seven of these things. Come to find
Speaker 1: out couldn't be further from the truth. Several. Several is
Speaker 1: tricky because, um, you know, there's no conventional number attached
Speaker 1: to it. But it could be four, could be five,
Speaker 1: could mean could even be three, which I always felt
Speaker 1: was a few. Now I think few is three and
Speaker 1: that's just locked in. You can't there's not really that
Speaker 1: much room for other numbers. Um. And already we're adding
Speaker 1: items of the items of business. I mean, we had
Speaker 1: to figure out what the correct terminology is for all
Speaker 1: these things. Absolutely absolutely what what what are the what
Speaker 1: are the items of business? I can't really think of
Speaker 1: any Well, it's interesting that you say that, since you said, well,
Speaker 1: let's just can't think of them. Let's now forty five
Speaker 1: minutes into the podcast, get to the first one, which
Speaker 1: is I have heard the note from the public, which
Speaker 1: is that I am quote screaming into the mic. Now
Speaker 1: I want to just address all the readers and say,
Speaker 1: you know me. You know I get excited. I get
Speaker 1: so excited when I see my sister. But on the
Speaker 1: other half of my heart and I get so excited
Speaker 1: whenever I see are esteemed guests and who boy, as
Speaker 1: they say all over the world, we have an amazing
Speaker 1: one today. So that's number one. Now, you have always
Speaker 1: been at a good volume. I don't think I on
Speaker 1: a hardware um level. I'm not because our sound engineer
Speaker 1: Dog is telling me to move the mic closer into
Speaker 1: my face, further away, use this different program, use that
Speaker 1: different program. So I feel like I am really getting
Speaker 1: It's a show. This term noted to death. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And when you get over noted, you often get in
Speaker 1: your head. So we're just gonna say um to all
Speaker 1: the readers, shut up, shut up, um. We're doing our
Speaker 1: best to provide you with entertainment for free from our
Speaker 1: damn homes. Okay, horny. Now, second item of business. As
Speaker 1: the readers all know, we've been discussing one famous reality
Speaker 1: competition series called you Can Say It with Me at
Speaker 1: the same time, Bowen, Survivor. Now, we love the show Survivor,
Speaker 1: and I will ask the guest in a short period
Speaker 1: of time whether she enjoys the program Survivor she enjoys
Speaker 1: other reality programs, because then she's a reality queen. She's
Speaker 1: a reality queen. But um, I did want to update
Speaker 1: all of the readers on a very exciting development that
Speaker 1: will be coming to Lost Cultures. Thus, you're going to
Speaker 1: announce it is time to announce that in a few
Speaker 1: weeks time, we will be hosting the One, the Only
Speaker 1: She is coming Bowen. This is a moment in time.
Speaker 1: This is actually like, this is a benchmark for the pod.
Speaker 1: I think I will say I was nervous when we
Speaker 1: went to go get Margaret show on the pod. This
Speaker 1: is the more nervous than I'll ever be. And was
Speaker 1: my hero. You face times me when you had it
Speaker 1: and when you when I first I started watching Survivor
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, you faced timey one day
Speaker 1: you were pacing around in your home and you were like,
Speaker 1: I think we should reach out to Partty, and I
Speaker 1: was like, absolutely, let's do it. And I'm so happy
Speaker 1: we did because she has said yes to the invitation.
Speaker 1: She listened to the Laura Laptus episode and quote enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: And so now we are having the legend, the Survivor
Speaker 1: legend of all time on the show. She wants to
Speaker 1: come on after the Survivor current season Winners at War,
Speaker 1: which she is competing on ends. So we have homework
Speaker 1: for the readers in addition to shutting up about our volume.
Speaker 1: They must catch up on parverty seasons and you are
Speaker 1: currently watching watching one. I am finishing up Micronesia fans
Speaker 1: versus favorites. It's riveting television. So um, I would say,
Speaker 1: and this is, this is this is the order that
Speaker 1: I've been recommended. I think it's it's so far served
Speaker 1: me very well. I was told to start with Pearl Islands,
Speaker 1: which seven just to get Sandra, and you got your
Speaker 1: lil You've got your Rooper, you got your fair play um,
Speaker 1: and then move on to Cook Islands, which is basically
Speaker 1: parts first season introduction to Parvety and Ozzie and you
Speaker 1: will and you will and Penner and and Candice characters,
Speaker 1: characters I very you know, sort of very kind of hypertroversial,
Speaker 1: controversially said um that John Penner and Candice were um
Speaker 1: white supremacy, and it was controversial controversial time they are
Speaker 1: obviously not. Penner is famously Jewish. If we can't go
Speaker 1: making these claims, I'm just kidding. No, they're wonderful people.
Speaker 1: This is the thing. Okay. So then so so then
Speaker 1: you watch Cook Islands, and then you watch and then
Speaker 1: I watched China, and I had a very crazy arc
Speaker 1: with one PG law who started out the game a
Speaker 1: little I thought, I don't know what. I don't like
Speaker 1: what's going on here. She's plotting too early on, and
Speaker 1: then a little hard in the beginning, played a little
Speaker 1: hard in the beginning, and then this is not a spoiler,
Speaker 1: but after the merge, she really, I mean shows a
Speaker 1: gumption and a drive that you don't really see all
Speaker 1: the time on the show. So I kind of broadcast
Speaker 1: out on instwo stories. Someone sent her that story where
Speaker 1: I where I just kind of like charted my my,
Speaker 1: my trajectory with her, and then she reached out and
Speaker 1: then we had a lovely conversation and hit it off.
Speaker 1: And one of these days. We both pitched it to
Speaker 1: each other. We might just do a little fun, little
Speaker 1: cocktail hour. And she's like, you can ask me all
Speaker 1: you want about China, Like, I can't wait. Tell me
Speaker 1: I have to be there for that. You have to
Speaker 1: be I will invite you as well. All right. So
Speaker 1: PG is awesome. I love her so much. I am
Speaker 1: a fan of PG two and she Fames comes back
Speaker 1: in Second Chances of years later, voted in by the fans.
Speaker 1: And so now you're watching Micronesia, which is the Parvety season. Yes,
Speaker 1: the party season. I'm gonna watch that, finish that then
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna move on to Heroes Versus Versus Villains.
Speaker 1: Then um Winners IT War, Winners IT War. So that's
Speaker 1: the homework. Everyone catch up on the Parvety seasons, Cook Islands, Micronesia,
Speaker 1: Heroes Versus Villains, and Winners IT War. You all have
Speaker 1: nothing to do. Let's just say, let's just say, like
Speaker 1: before we bring our guests in, I'm so excited she's here.
Speaker 1: But let's just thrill to have our guest. But for
Speaker 1: the for the big survivor heads out there, the people
Speaker 1: who have stuck with it all all forty seasons, all
Speaker 1: twenty years, we realize where Dilton's were just coming in. Um,
Speaker 1: so please just um bear with herewith We understand there
Speaker 1: are huge gaps in knowledge and experience, but we are
Speaker 1: passionate fans now and we hope that we can catch
Speaker 1: up to you guys at some point. And speaking of
Speaker 1: being passionate fans, so this is the deal with our guest,
Speaker 1: and I think that this actually is a huge moment
Speaker 1: for you bow And, who is a Saturday Night Live
Speaker 1: cast member who is famously Team Matt TV. I grew
Speaker 1: up with no cable and on the Bunny Ear antennas,
Speaker 1: which is what we had on Saturday's. We got Fox
Speaker 1: better than we got NBC. So it was just this
Speaker 1: thing where I would I my default would be mad.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this. I would watch Matt TV first,
Speaker 1: then watch SNL later. And the SNL was so grainy,
Speaker 1: but I still loved it. But Matt TV was crystal clear.
Speaker 1: And why I mean, I stuck with Matt TV a
Speaker 1: long time, especially especially through our guests seasons. And we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about this, I mean talk about being
Speaker 1: I mean the whole the thing with Matt TV is
Speaker 1: it was always actually legendary because if you really looked
Speaker 1: at the whole tenure of the show, they were always
Speaker 1: iconic cast members on it, and we have to ask
Speaker 1: about her peers on the show, in addition to delving
Speaker 1: deep into her own career, which is fucking popping off
Speaker 1: currently on Insatiable on Netflix, which I am insatiable for.
Speaker 1: Remember I watched that first season and truly ours. And
Speaker 1: Debbie Ryan is a friend of a friend and she
Speaker 1: is culture. She is culture. I stand Debbie Ryan, We
Speaker 1: stand Debbie Ryan. And then she's also the host of
Speaker 1: She's a She's She's a Network matebo Yes, Queen is
Speaker 1: hosting will You Accept This Rose? On My Heart? A
Speaker 1: bachelor recap podcast and talks all bachelor of things and
Speaker 1: also reality show topics, and we're currently in a Bachelor's season,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, even though there's a twist on
Speaker 1: the format, and we'll talk about that. We've got to
Speaker 1: talk about it. Also has appeared on Shameless and like
Speaker 1: many many many shows, Orange with the New Black, et cetera.
Speaker 1: This is someone who appears in media frequently, and that's
Speaker 1: important to do when you want an entertainment career. And
Speaker 1: that's actually ruler culture number fifteen. If you want an
Speaker 1: entertainment career, it's important to appear often in media. And
Speaker 1: she's a true she's a true culture because she joined
Speaker 1: in on that on that, on that rule. Everyone please
Speaker 1: welcome into your artist Marie. I can't believe I'm here.
Speaker 1: I stand you too. I could not be happier. You've
Speaker 1: chosen well with Debbie Ryan. Is really really she's a talent.
Speaker 1: She gave me this necklace. She gave me, she made me.
Speaker 1: She made me like a friendship necklace. Yes, it's a key,
Speaker 1: it's a key. We're friends, talk about the friendship, talking
Speaker 1: about the friendship. What do you like? Okay, so I
Speaker 1: will spill that tea on Debbie Ryan. I mean, what
Speaker 1: was fun about it was, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: have kids. I I didn't grow up watching Jesse, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not like a child molester. I didn't know who
Speaker 1: she was. And so we filmed in Atlanta and normally
Speaker 1: I've done shows that were with a lot of sort
Speaker 1: of silly character actors, and this was like a beautiful
Speaker 1: person show. This was initially the c W and they
Speaker 1: passed on it. But it was a show that was
Speaker 1: pageant Queens and we had like a listen m alt.
Speaker 1: It was like not my late up the highway. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who am I going to hang out with? And um
Speaker 1: and then lo and behold of all the people. I
Speaker 1: told her my bff A t L became Debbie Ryan.
Speaker 1: We would go I hung out with her like like literally,
Speaker 1: we would go for tacos multiple times. We went to
Speaker 1: Scooters and Pima Park. We would go would we would?
Speaker 1: I never went to She went to claremout Lounge. I've
Speaker 1: never been to claremout Loude. We would go to um
Speaker 1: Roller Derby, we went to like we just it was
Speaker 1: like this is who I hung out with. It was
Speaker 1: just it was a montage. And what was funny about her.
Speaker 1: She's like because she comes and does my podcast and
Speaker 1: I have to warn like the other people who do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, at first, it's going to be hard to
Speaker 1: look at her because she's the most attractive person you've
Speaker 1: ever seen close off, and then you start talking to
Speaker 1: her and you're like, oh no, she's just like a
Speaker 1: ding dong, Like she's a silly person born into this
Speaker 1: stunning package and and she doesn't probably know, like it's
Speaker 1: like this weird, little funny person. It's the oddest I know.
Speaker 1: I talked to her yesterday, No rain shall fall? Who
Speaker 1: would have I told her? She's my b F F
Speaker 1: eight one eight Now she's my best friend in the
Speaker 1: valley in l A. Eight one eight is a valley
Speaker 1: area code. I could tell I was going to like
Speaker 1: her because I her very very close friend is Jill Guttowitz,
Speaker 1: who is wrote wrote for a game show Who's the Best?
Speaker 1: And I. It's one of those people where it's like
Speaker 1: any friend of yours is going to be a friend
Speaker 1: of mine. That's how I feel about Ms. Debbie, who
Speaker 1: I've never met but his family. Debbie came to visit
Speaker 1: my home. She she went with me to rhode I
Speaker 1: go up in this tiny town and speaking for you
Speaker 1: Bow and I. When I got on at TV, I
Speaker 1: had never seen it because we didn't have cable in
Speaker 1: my town and we only got in BC, so we
Speaker 1: didn't get Fox very clearly. So I had literally like
Speaker 1: never really seen it was because it was too staticky.
Speaker 1: So remember doing like a red carpet thing. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: They're like, what's your favorite character? And I hadn't grown
Speaker 1: up with any of it because I didn't get I
Speaker 1: never we didn't get this reception right, but like it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't take away from anything. But so Debbie came,
Speaker 1: came to Henie, came to visit me in her island.
Speaker 1: She made it to hometown. She made it to hometown.
Speaker 1: She made it a little Compton. She and he was
Speaker 1: the best part, the one person she made it's a
Speaker 1: little Compton, has zero stop lights, has a general store.
Speaker 1: The only coffee shop is in an apple orchard. And
Speaker 1: she got recognized by one kid who said, are you
Speaker 1: Debbie Reynolds, Oh my DeBie Reynolds. And she was like
Speaker 1: and she and she obviously had to say no, her
Speaker 1: being Debbie Ryan and all, yeah, And that was the
Speaker 1: way that she could be like, no, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not Debbie Reynolds. Yeah, And then we went to hung
Speaker 1: out like the apple orchard. It was crazy. Debbie could
Speaker 1: have a Debbie Reynolds career. She could, She absolutely could.
Speaker 1: She also can she I bet she could because you
Speaker 1: know those Disney they trained those Disney kids. I've worked
Speaker 1: with a few of those Disney kids and they have
Speaker 1: been trained, and I feel like they show up they
Speaker 1: know they're aligned and you better believe they could probably
Speaker 1: hit their one to three four ball change, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it's actually rulal culture number twenty two. Disney
Speaker 1: kids they show up and they know their lines, the
Speaker 1: Disney kids they show up. But I will reveal at
Speaker 1: this time that I did not know that she was
Speaker 1: a Disney star. I only knew her from in Safe Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I was like, I never I didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know, and so that made it And it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Also being in Atlanta, it's almost like you're a camp
Speaker 1: you know, there you befriend I didn't know anybody else
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, so it's like who am I, Who am
Speaker 1: I going to hang out with? You know? And so
Speaker 1: I would never have guessed that it was like, of
Speaker 1: all the people, it was Debbie. It was Debbie to
Speaker 1: me that she made me a friendship bracelet. She didn't
Speaker 1: my mailing a friendship Bowen hasn't made me a friendship
Speaker 1: bracelet and done. I've been much better thing. I've given
Speaker 1: you much better jewelry, jewelry. He has never given me
Speaker 1: a jewelry. He's given me a very nice pair of shoes,
Speaker 1: which at the time was the first time either of
Speaker 1: us had even any expendable income. And he bought me
Speaker 1: a pair of Alexander Ms Queen sneakers with a lift,
Speaker 1: and I mostly just look at them in my closet
Speaker 1: and fawn over them and never really wear them. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing my nice clothes. Oh yeah, I love
Speaker 1: your man friendship so much so this is this is
Speaker 1: this is the sisterhood of the Traveling um host of
Speaker 1: the Traveling Host. I just listened to your Lauren la episode,
Speaker 1: who's also with Debtie. It was me Laurenie's copy that
Speaker 1: is that's actually going to go ahead and make me
Speaker 1: very jealous. You can come, you want to come, Let's
Speaker 1: go in that now and um yeah that it was random.
Speaker 1: Not now, but like when we're free, when we get
Speaker 1: when we get let out of ourselves. Are you there now? No,
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in Los Angeles. You're in Los angele
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I love the wallpaper, thank you, it's
Speaker 1: actually fabric. This is my podcast studio. It's a garage
Speaker 1: and this is its soundproof It's like soundproofing, and that's
Speaker 1: how you know we have a podcast. Queen is she's
Speaker 1: got herself a studio, just got herself. She's got herself
Speaker 1: a damn studio. She got herself a damn studio. This
Speaker 1: podcast being a visual medium and all, we should still
Speaker 1: describe what the what the wallpaper looks like. So what
Speaker 1: would you describe as the theme of your podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm going on like we're
Speaker 1: in Morocco and like sing like we're going we're going
Speaker 1: to like Marrakesh. It's like Marrakesh. She meets Ikea. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like if we're like Jackie Kennedy and
Speaker 1: its and like maybe we're sneaking off like with our
Speaker 1: sister and we're gonna like maybe sneak a little like
Speaker 1: heyote or something and like seeking in the desert and
Speaker 1: uh and we've we've hired like a beautiful tent to
Speaker 1: come with us. We're just gonna go like have her
Speaker 1: like Lawrence of Arabia kind of like that. So that's
Speaker 1: what's happened. Oh my god, really full story, full storyline.
Speaker 1: And you you you kind of painting that picture made
Speaker 1: me think, for some reason, what would it be like
Speaker 1: to like at least smoke weed with Jackie Kennedy. That's yes,
Speaker 1: because it's like a lady in a pillow box hat
Speaker 1: and white gloves. But then she's like getting freaking. I
Speaker 1: feel like she'd do an edible and I don't picture
Speaker 1: her no, I picture her like having like a nice
Speaker 1: little like gummy. Yes, she would nibble on an edible.
Speaker 1: And for the first twenty five minutes before I kicked
Speaker 1: in a half hour, she'd be very annoying about quote
Speaker 1: unquote what it was going to do to her. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: she's like I think I feel it. I think yeah,
Speaker 1: checking in, there'd be a lot of checking in. You
Speaker 1: would need to kind of babysit her. I want to say,
Speaker 1: also survivor, can I bring up I please listen to
Speaker 1: listen to the learn lot because episode really made me.
Speaker 1: I actually like I wrote down the what you the
Speaker 1: order and I'm going to do so I did like
Speaker 1: the first bunch of seasons. I did the return in
Speaker 1: Sue if you were dying, but this side of the road,
Speaker 1: I would not. You know, one of the if you're
Speaker 1: going to audition for Juilliard, you should consider that as
Speaker 1: your monologue because it's this colecular revenge monologue. It's honestly
Speaker 1: a really good monologue for like a certain type. The
Speaker 1: if I saw you dying you first monologue, you could
Speaker 1: definitely perform worse things. It does feel written, it's so good.
Speaker 1: And then I remember I watched the um Boston Robin
Speaker 1: Amber years and Elizabeth hasselback. Yeah, So I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I feel like then I got distracted by America's next
Speaker 1: Top Model. I feel like maybe I went to that
Speaker 1: and like Project run Way and then Early Bachelor, which
Speaker 1: I then stopped, But that I think I just sort
Speaker 1: of got distracted because there's so many fun things started
Speaker 1: getting offered. Yes, for competely, it might have been it
Speaker 1: might have diverged generationally at like around two thousand three,
Speaker 1: two thousand four, where people just like split out and
Speaker 1: then like the Men, you got bigger with what we
Speaker 1: could see, you know. I think that's around when I
Speaker 1: think when Top Model started it was Top Model, Project Runway,
Speaker 1: I was like, whoo oo pictures smizing. One for me
Speaker 1: was that that kind of took me away from Survivor
Speaker 1: because I remember there was a time in my life
Speaker 1: when I was very young watching Survivor where I would
Speaker 1: like cut out pictures from magazines and put them on
Speaker 1: my wall and like make lists of who I thought
Speaker 1: was gonna like win and like reorder them on my
Speaker 1: wall for like the standings, and then I remember American
Speaker 1: Idol happened, yes, and I was like, oh, this combines
Speaker 1: the competitive aspect with music, which I love, and it
Speaker 1: took me away from it. But I think that that's true. Like,
Speaker 1: while Survivor did create the modern competitive reality show, it
Speaker 1: also gave birth to so many other ones ended up
Speaker 1: hurting it in a way. An amazing race, amazing race,
Speaker 1: Amazing race is a feat. I have a confession, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was. I had applied with Lance Mass to do
Speaker 1: it this August. We were gonna have you heard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were interested in having us and we were just
Speaker 1: gonna do it for fun. It was just like we
Speaker 1: knew we weren't going to win, but we wanted to
Speaker 1: like try, and the TV is great for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's great TV. You and land to keep going. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I know that Mike White had done it
Speaker 1: and so like yes and Survivor and Survivor too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we decided, we applied, We sent in a video
Speaker 1: and we were gonna be team Razzle Dazzle, and all
Speaker 1: of our clothes were gonna say Wrazzle dazzle, and I
Speaker 1: was gonna razzle and it was gonna be dazzle, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna let him outfit us. And we were
Speaker 1: just I can drive stick shift, I will eat anything.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid of heights. Like we were just going
Speaker 1: to go really try to win and not win. We're
Speaker 1: not not strong enough or brave enough to well. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like now that it's out there, it is
Speaker 1: manifested and we have something to share, which is that
Speaker 1: we were sort of approached about the amazing one Zeke Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's a contestant on Survivor who is is wonderful as
Speaker 1: also has also done comedy. Zeke Smith. He was liked,
Speaker 1: you guys want to be recommended. And I was like,
Speaker 1: should we do it together? Let's do it together? Should
Speaker 1: we do it together? I mean honestly, because I feel like,
Speaker 1: do people make alliance? Because I feel like we would
Speaker 1: try to have the four of us running around the world.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could do an alliance. I
Speaker 1: think unfortunately we would have to try and crush. You know,
Speaker 1: we won't win. We're not a threat. I trust me.
Speaker 1: I'm a weak link. And he discovered that quick, like
Speaker 1: here's what's so funny too. It's like you guys are bfs.
Speaker 1: I love Lands. I don't know him that well. And
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, what's so what's fun about it?
Speaker 1: Is you? So I did you? So they actually call
Speaker 1: my manager. So here's the You get paid, you make
Speaker 1: make you get paid nothing, zero, earn zero unless you win.
Speaker 1: And then you are completely cut off from all communications.
Speaker 1: You are not allowed access to your email, your phone, nothing.
Speaker 1: And even if you make yes, and assuming Lance and
Speaker 1: I would get caught in like at the Burbank airport
Speaker 1: or what I say, we got cut like week two.
Speaker 1: You then get sent to you get sent to UM.
Speaker 1: I forget what they call it, but it's you basically
Speaker 1: get quarantined at a hotel like some and you're stuck.
Speaker 1: And I think because if you like pair up as
Speaker 1: like a couple, like I think Lance and I would
Speaker 1: be in a room with no access to the internet
Speaker 1: for it's thirty days that you are locked in a
Speaker 1: hotel on like Mexico or wherever they like go like
Speaker 1: sply you away somewhere and lock you up and they
Speaker 1: let you go use the pool or the gym, but
Speaker 1: you can't use the computer. You can't call people like
Speaker 1: and they're really crazy about that. You're you're just not
Speaker 1: at that level with lands friendship, Like no, but that
Speaker 1: would be. But I'm se enough that I feel like
Speaker 1: we get a little role. But but that's a lot
Speaker 1: to act. That's a big ask. That's a big first
Speaker 1: date friend date. Yeah. The thing is like also too,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like if you are going to
Speaker 1: go like I'm actually watching the Survivor's seasons right now,
Speaker 1: which are Blood versus Water, which is where you go
Speaker 1: on with a family member, you bring someone and so
Speaker 1: the thing about that is like you really do need
Speaker 1: someone that you can communicate clearly and intensely with that
Speaker 1: isn't going to be like tired tentatively and that is
Speaker 1: a huge when you're tired stressed. Um, so there needs
Speaker 1: to be some real familiarity or just like personality is
Speaker 1: just uniquely clear. Can't be fair weather. You can't be
Speaker 1: fair weather from not question when you like, when you
Speaker 1: got approached, did the cells in your body? I'll fire
Speaker 1: off like in a crazy like oh my god, we like,
Speaker 1: did you have a go weird chemical reaction in your body?
Speaker 1: We really did consider it, I remember, right, it wasn't
Speaker 1: well at the time. It was a thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: what if we do this and sort of become weirdly
Speaker 1: known for it, will us in other areas and then
Speaker 1: and then and then I'll say honestly, when I saw
Speaker 1: Mike White on Survivor, I was like, oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely going on so every one day, well that's what
Speaker 1: I actually called. I called my man like, I called
Speaker 1: my manager and was like, is this career suicide? If?
Speaker 1: I like, like, is this career suician? And then somebody
Speaker 1: I knew did Dancing with the Stars and they were like,
Speaker 1: art at all it does is just introduced you to
Speaker 1: like you know, you're in it. Shameless are on Staable
Speaker 1: like those are very sort of dark comedy cable Lee
Speaker 1: things like this is like Middle America gets to know you,
Speaker 1: and like you get to gets it different. It's a
Speaker 1: whole different crowd and like who cares? And then you
Speaker 1: would kill it because everyone in Middle America would love
Speaker 1: you and the large gay fan base would be like,
Speaker 1: arden is is my queen? It was That's the thing
Speaker 1: that I am sad as about. Like as far as
Speaker 1: being locked up, I was like, wait a minute, so
Speaker 1: you're telling me like, I'm not going to be running
Speaker 1: around with Lance bat asked, like I even bought like
Speaker 1: a weighted vest to train because I was like that
Speaker 1: I bought like a weed. I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to work on like running with the backpack, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: weigh down Lance Bass. Friend of the Pod Tyler Oakley
Speaker 1: has been on two seasons of Amazing Race and does
Speaker 1: well on the show. And I think that being like
Speaker 1: being well known doesn't hurt you on Amazing Race. It
Speaker 1: really hurts people, I think on Survivor because then people
Speaker 1: immediately say they don't need the million dollars get Because
Speaker 1: I was recently watching a season which has Lisa Welchell,
Speaker 1: who was Blair on the Facts of Life sur How
Speaker 1: did she do? She always had the big hair spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: she makes it to the finals. What was her personality like?
Speaker 1: She was very very very sweet and kind and sort
Speaker 1: of coattail righty, but in crucial moments she did make
Speaker 1: good strategic moves. Um And then the season I'm currently watching, uh,
Speaker 1: there's a very controversial baseball player on it. His name
Speaker 1: is John Rocker. So I don't know if you and
Speaker 1: the readers know about John Rocker. But John Rocker was
Speaker 1: a relief pitcher for the Atlanta Braves in the late
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousand's, and he made a lot of
Speaker 1: very controversial comments about the ethnic makeup of New York
Speaker 1: and people who ride the subway and an interview and
Speaker 1: an interview during the playoffs and essentially got like ran
Speaker 1: out of the league. So right now, on the season
Speaker 1: of Survivor I'm watching, which is Survivor San Juan he is.
Speaker 1: Other people are finding out that that's who he is,
Speaker 1: and it's so it's interesting too. I wonder if people
Speaker 1: if you went on like a reality show like that
Speaker 1: where you had to compete, if people would recognize you.
Speaker 1: I think they fully would. I think they would have to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think it's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'll have the hearty. I would never last on Survivor
Speaker 1: for so well, I'm a natural redhead and my skin
Speaker 1: would fry off like I would just it's hard enough
Speaker 1: living in l A with SPF nine hundred. I'm a
Speaker 1: hungry girl. It's I'm a hungry human. I love flavor,
Speaker 1: just the skin color and the did the burning and
Speaker 1: the series I just I have put me in an
Speaker 1: Eglue if it was Survivor Eglue edition. Maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: don't think like Northern Lights, I don't think it's happening.
Speaker 1: That would be an amazing narrative though, because even just
Speaker 1: you sitting there right now and you said I'm a
Speaker 1: hungry girl, I love flavor Is, I would pull that
Speaker 1: and put that in the trailer. It's producer, Catinet. You
Speaker 1: aren't producing unit. Wait before we go to break, we are,
Speaker 1: and so we should we ask you? I mean, is
Speaker 1: your favorite reality show the Bachelor and the Bachelor? Is
Speaker 1: that the like the North Star for you? I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm being really honest, no, no, but like I
Speaker 1: love it. I love Bachelor in Paradise. I love Bachelor Paradise.
Speaker 1: But then I also I love and I can't believe
Speaker 1: it's on right now because it's taken so long to
Speaker 1: come back. I love Top Chef, so I love this
Speaker 1: current season. I love Bachelor in Paradise, and then I
Speaker 1: love like any kind of fashion. I love like making
Speaker 1: the cut next in Fashion Project Runway, and then Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise. We have our producer, our producer Hans is
Speaker 1: saying love top Chef, he has not chimed in yet,
Speaker 1: but he's wants to say he loves Top Chef. Can
Speaker 1: I just say and again, I don't even cook. I'm
Speaker 1: a hungry girl who loves flavors, but I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to make them. And I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: if you've never watched Top Chef and I'm not a cook,
Speaker 1: I don't. I literally would never make any of these.
Speaker 1: I love flavors. I'm a hungry girl. If you want
Speaker 1: to start with Top Chef. The first season that Michael
Speaker 1: Voltaggio and Brian Voltaggio, the Voltaggio brothers on, it's like
Speaker 1: canan Abel where the younger the legendary. He's saying it's
Speaker 1: legend because the older brother, Brian is just I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give any spoilers, but the older brother, Brian
Speaker 1: is the nicest. He's the equivalent of a human dad joke.
Speaker 1: He looks like a dad joke. He's a sweet guy.
Speaker 1: He does everything right. He's a classically changed chef, and
Speaker 1: his younger brother is rock and roll tattoo. You get
Speaker 1: the feeling he didn't even want to be a chef.
Speaker 1: It's just that he wants to crush his but he
Speaker 1: was to beat his brother. So if his brother want
Speaker 1: to be a baseball player, he would have become a rod.
Speaker 1: Like it's truly these two. But he just wants to
Speaker 1: beat his brother. And it's watching this good student who's
Speaker 1: trying to do everything right, and then there's like chip
Speaker 1: on the shoulder younger brother who's just like, whatever you pick,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it and do better and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna beat you. It's fascinating. So Brian Botage always on
Speaker 1: this currencies in which is all stars. My boyfriend was
Speaker 1: telling me that he has a lot of restaurants slots.
Speaker 1: He's he's a great chef. I think he's like a pro.
Speaker 1: He's a technical pro, but he's not like a wild card.
Speaker 1: He's not a rock and roll chef, like getting doing
Speaker 1: coke in the kitchen right right right, and then they're
Speaker 1: out there. I just want good I just want a
Speaker 1: good soup that's good. Can dam Who do I have
Speaker 1: to flock to get a good super out here? It's
Speaker 1: actually real culture number eight. Who do I have around here?
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back with Art and Maureen. Okay, we're back,
Speaker 1: and we're actually back, and what we do when we
Speaker 1: come back is we we have a question prepared for you.
Speaker 1: And this actually is the question that we ask every
Speaker 1: single one of our guests that have been on last
Speaker 1: culture astas. So we here's the question for you. What
Speaker 1: was the culture art and that made you say culture
Speaker 1: was for me? Boone? Would you need to elaborate on
Speaker 1: this question? Absolutely, it's the culture that was for you
Speaker 1: that really kind of opened up the cave door. You
Speaker 1: know how doors have, caves have doors. It's the cultor
Speaker 1: that opened up the door on the hinge door and
Speaker 1: you were able to walk into the cave. Up, walked
Speaker 1: into the cave, and I'm finally that door opened in
Speaker 1: the cave. Thank you so much for asking, Matt Bone.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I've been thinking about this. I'm so honored
Speaker 1: to be here. I feel like I've won amazing race.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Phil. I want to tell you here we go,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be I'm gonna do one main one, but
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna do a follow up. The first one.
Speaker 1: The first one, As I mentioned, I grew up in
Speaker 1: Little Compton, Rhode Island, town of three thousand people, a
Speaker 1: general store, and a literate chief of police. No stop lights.
Speaker 1: We had two restaurants. They both burned to the ground.
Speaker 1: Literally nothing nothing. So it's like an island, but it's
Speaker 1: a peninsula. It's like it's a whole other planet. And
Speaker 1: we didn't get cable until like, you know, two days ago.
Speaker 1: So it was three the three main channels, and like
Speaker 1: if you stood up with like holding a metal fork,
Speaker 1: you can maybe get PBS who would want that? No
Speaker 1: to thank you for me. So when when I was
Speaker 1: four years old, my mother drove me down to Manhattan.
Speaker 1: She brought me at age four as a little ginger girl,
Speaker 1: looking just like barbed stranger things. She brought me to
Speaker 1: see a broad Way show at age four. That first
Speaker 1: show was a little ginger child Annie. Yes, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I sat my mother. I was like, you're
Speaker 1: holding back in my career. We need to move to
Speaker 1: New York. Is I? First of all? I used to
Speaker 1: be Annie. I should be any when they did they
Speaker 1: did like a nationwide search for the movie, and I
Speaker 1: went an audition and I was way too I was
Speaker 1: like four, and they're like, okay, you know an Eileen
Speaker 1: Quinn got it, but come on, God damn it, come on,
Speaker 1: come on. And then I had an older brother who
Speaker 1: basically there was no I've heard you talk about it
Speaker 1: like there was no parental supervision in the most wonderful way.
Speaker 1: And there was also really no children's programming. So I
Speaker 1: just watched and I'm a night owl. So the television,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say specifically the Saturday Saturday night lineup,
Speaker 1: which was like Facts of Life, silver spoons, we have
Speaker 1: some golden girls happening. There was some there was some
Speaker 1: love boat, something to see island Um. And then there
Speaker 1: was a show on called Solid Gold where they had
Speaker 1: dancers and they were like slutty and with like dance
Speaker 1: and like like, and Diane Warwarck could sing live the
Speaker 1: theme song every week. It's like Solid Gold where the dreams.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I want to dress. I want
Speaker 1: to dress like a Solid Gold dancer. You want to
Speaker 1: express myself. And then the classy part was I had
Speaker 1: a smart older brother and he would show me like Melboy.
Speaker 1: He would show me like Madeline con Terry Gard Terry
Speaker 1: Garr in Young Frankenstein, Are you hitting me? I mean
Speaker 1: Madeline Cohn in Blazing Saddles All to Steve market All
Speaker 1: Lily Tomlin like there was so it was sort of
Speaker 1: a highbrow too, of like like uh, and then Gilda
Speaker 1: Rader's Rosanna Rosanna Dana. It was like I remember, I
Speaker 1: think it was like four watching all of this stuff
Speaker 1: and just being like and I would like steal their act,
Speaker 1: like right out what she'd done, and then and they
Speaker 1: would just let me watch all this ship and it
Speaker 1: was like it was and I kept trying. And there
Speaker 1: was a girl that moved from New York down the
Speaker 1: street and she had done commercials and she'd had an agent,
Speaker 1: and I was like, and she did serial commercial, she
Speaker 1: did a serial commercial, and I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to I need to get an agent. We need to
Speaker 1: move to Los Angeles or Korean needs to be happening now.
Speaker 1: When you always feel like you're behind, like I remember
Speaker 1: when I was like in college and I didn't have
Speaker 1: an age, and I was like, well, how the funk
Speaker 1: am I supposed to book anything if I don't have
Speaker 1: an agent? No, It's like I know, I remember like
Speaker 1: taking headshots in my dorm and choleral like just like
Speaker 1: this is gonna get me an agent, you know, like
Speaker 1: you just couldn't figure out like how am I going
Speaker 1: to get from this field to the move into my television.
Speaker 1: How can I move into my television? Yes? Right, yes,
Speaker 1: for for me, it was for me, it was like
Speaker 1: watching the Oscars and watching people thank their agency for
Speaker 1: me to be like, okay, well that's what I need
Speaker 1: now as old need one now. I mean I always
Speaker 1: get thanked. They must be important. And these manages people,
Speaker 1: these publicists, these lawyers. Yeah, I made a whole team.
Speaker 1: It's actually rulal culture number fifty five. You're gonna need
Speaker 1: a team, do you. Guys? Remember when Charlie's there won
Speaker 1: her oscar, she thanked her lawyer and she goes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm friends with my lawyer. And I got a big laugh.
Speaker 1: I was like, I need a lawyer, the agent, publicist. Yes.
Speaker 1: I don't know what these people do, but my team,
Speaker 1: I need my team. I'm actually happy to report that
Speaker 1: Bowen and I are friends with our lawyers. And and
Speaker 1: one of my lawyers, Seth who's also Bowen's lawyer, called
Speaker 1: me on my birthday. Oh my god, thank you my
Speaker 1: lawyer's Horrowist. Wait, we have to talk really quickly. You
Speaker 1: went you did go to college in Colorado? Did you didn't?
Speaker 1: I did I went to Colorado College in Colorado Spring. Oh,
Speaker 1: you guys have connected Atlanta and Colorado connection big. Yes.
Speaker 1: I want to say something. I want to ask you, now,
Speaker 1: how has it been? I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: freely like, how has it been being on SNL? I
Speaker 1: found that TV to be my hardest job I ever had.
Speaker 1: I think sketch shows. Sketch shows are hard. And I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember I had tested for SNL against Amy, and
Speaker 1: then I knew when she got it that I probably
Speaker 1: like that was probably That's how I found out I
Speaker 1: didn't get it when end got it, and then I
Speaker 1: didn't and then I actually mad to be offered me
Speaker 1: the job that year and I said no, and then
Speaker 1: I didn't yeah, and then I did it, and then
Speaker 1: I did it the last four years. And then I
Speaker 1: did a bunch of because I come from sitcoms, and
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of pilots. I didn't get picked up,
Speaker 1: and I remember I ran into and they would. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that I thought I was like better than I was,
Speaker 1: honestly more at a fear because I thought I didn't
Speaker 1: know if I was going to go and thrive. I
Speaker 1: wasn't a ground like I'd made this tape in my
Speaker 1: living room and I sent it into SNL and Mad TV,
Speaker 1: and then they both called me, and I remember being
Speaker 1: I knew a lot enough people that had worked at
Speaker 1: SNL to know how hard it was. And then I
Speaker 1: knew that I had never done any of these characters
Speaker 1: in public, and I was concerned. Now looking back, I
Speaker 1: wish I could have given that young gal like a
Speaker 1: pat on the back, and I'm like, just fucking like,
Speaker 1: you made the tape, just yeah, And then I remember
Speaker 1: it was like and then and then I got the
Speaker 1: offer from Mad TV, and I remember just being there
Speaker 1: was something that was like. And then I had started
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'd done improv there, but I didn't. I
Speaker 1: was their first Internet Improv Olympic and I they let
Speaker 1: me take the classes, but I did them all at once,
Speaker 1: so I did begin or intermediate and advanced it once.
Speaker 1: I was like with Dell close, and I remember realizing that, like,
Speaker 1: there's a reason you do it in order, like I
Speaker 1: didn't learned my like alphabet to the words to the sentences,
Speaker 1: like it was like and I'm after after I said
Speaker 1: no to Mead TV, I went and quietly I went
Speaker 1: through and did the class. I just did it all.
Speaker 1: I went and really learned how to do it, and
Speaker 1: then I auditioned again, and then I went, like I
Speaker 1: got the chops to go do it. That's pretty cool
Speaker 1: that they were. They were like here she is again,
Speaker 1: and like it worked out that way that you were
Speaker 1: able to end up doing it. Do you feel like it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was better for you to
Speaker 1: take the time to sort of reassemble or not? I
Speaker 1: think personally, yes, I do. I think personally because I
Speaker 1: know that they're hard. They're hard environment. It's hard when
Speaker 1: you know, coming from like sitcom or scripted things where
Speaker 1: it's like I play Mary, you play Brian, Like we
Speaker 1: have no hand in our fate. The writers give us
Speaker 1: our scripts and like you make the best of what
Speaker 1: you get and and so you can be my friend
Speaker 1: because we're not competing to get like one spot. I
Speaker 1: found that, Um, I just knowing who I was, I
Speaker 1: do think I did the right thing. But I wish
Speaker 1: I could go back and be like what I know
Speaker 1: now as a human it's like, don't die yourself, just
Speaker 1: go do it, you know. I wish I could say
Speaker 1: that totally. I would say that there are some aspects
Speaker 1: of Matt TV, especially by the time you were on
Speaker 1: and your class was like Christophlan again like Baron Holtz,
Speaker 1: Bobby Lee and like Jordan Peel, Michael Key, like like
Speaker 1: a huge yeah. I think, like like a highlight era
Speaker 1: of the show, especially towards the end, but like, um,
Speaker 1: by that point, like people were like a lot of
Speaker 1: the cast members were like doing like out on stage,
Speaker 1: like talking to the audience directly and like that's something
Speaker 1: you don't you don't ever have to really do it
Speaker 1: as now, but it's like you would like whenever there
Speaker 1: will be pieces of you and Bobby like and stuff
Speaker 1: that was. Those are some of my favorites. I loves.
Speaker 1: My favorite things were. It was interesting. I felt like
Speaker 1: I felt like I auditioned with all these sort of
Speaker 1: weird characters and then they I felt as if they
Speaker 1: died my hair blonde. I was a redhead, and I
Speaker 1: felt like they wanted to purchase like a want you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I was like, so I
Speaker 1: had to figure out kind of how to be funny,
Speaker 1: like I wanted to play all like the weird late
Speaker 1: old ladies or whatever. And it was and it was
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. I think it was actually ultimately good
Speaker 1: for me to have to figure out that can I
Speaker 1: be Can I still be funny even if I'm like
Speaker 1: in a pretty party dress? You know what I mean
Speaker 1: that I don't have They were trying to hand, which
Speaker 1: is not who I ever was, you know, And it
Speaker 1: was an interesting thing to be like, all right, well
Speaker 1: this is what they want. And so like even doing
Speaker 1: like the red carpet thing, which I ended up having
Speaker 1: fun like nobody wanted to do it, and then there
Speaker 1: was just there was one for Niptalk and I remember
Speaker 1: they were like, do you want to go do this?
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to do this, and it was like it
Speaker 1: was like a two hour and so I went and
Speaker 1: like I it was I've never seen the show and
Speaker 1: it was like in two hours. So then I remember
Speaker 1: just trying to yeah, exactly what but like getting what
Speaker 1: was fun about doing the remotes or doing the things
Speaker 1: that were off campus was I didn't have to pitch,
Speaker 1: and I'd like, like you could just like, let if
Speaker 1: you just give me this five minutes of time, I
Speaker 1: can go make something funny. But like I wasn't great
Speaker 1: at pitching things, and there was something tring of like
Speaker 1: let me just go improv and play with the l A.
Speaker 1: Kings or let me just go improv and play with
Speaker 1: Bobby versus like my fear of um like authority figures
Speaker 1: of like I'm going to pitch the sketch and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to write this sketch and please pick like
Speaker 1: there was I sort of had to sneak in through
Speaker 1: the dormer windows. Which do you have that did you?
Speaker 1: Like I relate to this so hard is now that
Speaker 1: you're talking about this, Like I not the worst part
Speaker 1: of my The most nerve racking part of the job
Speaker 1: for me is just to like Tuesday nights, like before
Speaker 1: you write, you're supposed to like checking with producers and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: tell them what your idea is, and that's it. That's
Speaker 1: and I really fills me with the dread and I
Speaker 1: just want to get it over with. And I am talking,
Speaker 1: I mumble, I don't make eye contact. It's so panicky.
Speaker 1: But but then this is so fun that you enjoyed
Speaker 1: all the remote stuff because like I think, like it's
Speaker 1: it's my favorite stuff that I've seen you do, absolutely
Speaker 1: and it's also like my favorite memories of the show
Speaker 1: are like watching like Alex sportstin and Will will say,
Speaker 1: so do stuff on the red carpets too, and then
Speaker 1: you and Bobby being yourselves, um doing stuff like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like it's just that part was just it
Speaker 1: felt sort of organic and not too written or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was just organic, just fun and spontaneous that it
Speaker 1: wasn't It's an interesting thing to see. And I don't
Speaker 1: like I I didn't always. I always envied, you know,
Speaker 1: I always envied some of the guys would just go
Speaker 1: in with no fear and just be like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing, and and the amount of fear
Speaker 1: of authority, like I it's interest. Like I recently, my
Speaker 1: friend and I wrote a script and you know, we
Speaker 1: were an indie movie and we were getting funding and
Speaker 1: all the producers, in the director, everybody was female. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't realized. It was the first
Speaker 1: time I felt comfortable just saying this is my idea,
Speaker 1: I can defend it, this is like and that how
Speaker 1: much just pitching two straight white men, like how wanting
Speaker 1: to please and being intimidated and how hard it was
Speaker 1: just I it kind of made me sad, like pitching
Speaker 1: to these women realizing like how good I felt and
Speaker 1: just realizing, oh, that's probably how these guys felt the
Speaker 1: whole time on the show, and that and that I
Speaker 1: never I always felt, and I think probably ultimately why
Speaker 1: I didn't take it in the beginning, like let me
Speaker 1: just prove, let me get one more class under my belt,
Speaker 1: just to prove, like you know, I I it's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing of like time wasted trying to get the
Speaker 1: official certificate to be like, you're funny enough. If you
Speaker 1: were a man, I bet you would have taken that job,
Speaker 1: because men are cultured to be like no for this,
Speaker 1: as women are like I'm not ready for this. It's
Speaker 1: the way. And I think that gay men have it
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. We're not not to the
Speaker 1: same extent, but it's always like a second guessing of
Speaker 1: yourself that you'll be prepared to handle the straight male opinion. Yes,
Speaker 1: I it's an like that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: like I like being more of an adult lady, like
Speaker 1: king back and just having compassion of like, wow, you
Speaker 1: made it through that and and you come by it honestly,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to do that anymore, and like
Speaker 1: go where the love is, go where the people want
Speaker 1: to work. With you own your idea. There's places for
Speaker 1: it now, like don't be afraid of like sometimes even
Speaker 1: what's your what you think is the worst about you?
Speaker 1: Or is your what's your secret damage, or like what's
Speaker 1: your weird little idea of the story. Even just when
Speaker 1: I came up with the podcast, it's like, what makes
Speaker 1: your tail wag? It's what makes you feel kind of crazy?
Speaker 1: Even doing the amazing race with l It's beast or something.
Speaker 1: It's like, what's your little special thing to give to
Speaker 1: the world that makes your tail? I protect it and
Speaker 1: then like go to people that can see it, and
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's not always it's not always
Speaker 1: the world that you're in. But it's like, don't be
Speaker 1: afraid of throwing your hat on it. That's beautiful and
Speaker 1: and and that just entails undoing a lot of the
Speaker 1: work that other people try to do where they do
Speaker 1: throw an image on do you like we're going to
Speaker 1: die your hair blond? But it's like no, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: Jackie Kennedy and Marry Cash. Yes, yes i am, And
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it to kick in. I think it's
Speaker 1: kicking in. Yeah, I feel like that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons like I'm so proud of Bowen on SNL is
Speaker 1: because like he has an established identity and you can
Speaker 1: tell he's connected to that. Yet he is like I'll say,
Speaker 1: be the one that says this, but he is like
Speaker 1: playing the game of SNL well, like he's get he
Speaker 1: gets things on. He's always seems to be a present
Speaker 1: of the show. And this is not to put like
Speaker 1: any continued expectation on you, but you've done such an
Speaker 1: amazing job. And I also think that you also are
Speaker 1: someone that people know as Bo and Yang and will
Speaker 1: continue to know as bow and Yang. And I have
Speaker 1: a feeling that um not everyone like feels like access
Speaker 1: to both parts of those things. I mean I know that,
Speaker 1: Like when I auditioned for it and did the test,
Speaker 1: I felt very in my head about like but if
Speaker 1: one of these things happen or if this doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: like do I not get to be myself or do
Speaker 1: I not get to you know? Um have like free
Speaker 1: comes to this, But I feel like you have really
Speaker 1: been able to accomplish something very cool, which is you
Speaker 1: are very clear still in your point of view, but
Speaker 1: you also are very successful at the job that is
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live, and I think that you should know
Speaker 1: that you're doing such an amazing it. Do you think
Speaker 1: do you think it helped writing on it? First? How
Speaker 1: about how many years were you a writer on it?
Speaker 1: Just one? But like even just that one year of
Speaker 1: just like condensed, like you you just learn the rope
Speaker 1: so quickly and like it's boot camp, and like I
Speaker 1: got the offer to be a writer instead of cast,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know if this is the
Speaker 1: right fit. And then I talked to friends. I talked
Speaker 1: to Gary Richardson, who still works there, who's also a performer. Um,
Speaker 1: he got on the phone with me before I accepted
Speaker 1: the offer, and he was like, I would take it
Speaker 1: because I have learned so much about just how things work,
Speaker 1: just about like the the etiquette behind like collaborating with
Speaker 1: someone on anything. It's not even specific to the show,
Speaker 1: but it's like but then, but then, and now I'm
Speaker 1: learning that I'm I have different emotional responses to certain things.
Speaker 1: Where like so as soon as arden you were talking
Speaker 1: about not feeling super comfortable in the pitch process, like
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, yeah, like that is that is
Speaker 1: hard because you know what that is? All that is
Speaker 1: like having to close the gap and understand someone else
Speaker 1: understanding what you're about, and so like that, of course
Speaker 1: you'd be more comfortable pitching to a room full of women.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm more comfortable being on a set with like,
Speaker 1: let's just say Asian actors, because I've I've experienced that
Speaker 1: with um nor from queens whatever you are people or
Speaker 1: queer people. I'm I'm running down my resume too much,
Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, WHOA like that. I've been very
Speaker 1: lucky to have those things sort of set up for
Speaker 1: me um at some point so that I can just
Speaker 1: sort of not feel unanchored at a new gift in time.
Speaker 1: Kitching is hard too, because it's like you have to
Speaker 1: explain yourself a succinctly quiet like and yeah and own
Speaker 1: it and not apologize for it and just like have
Speaker 1: a bit clear and you seem like you're into it,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, part of it is I've also
Speaker 1: had to learn that, you know, I love my writing partner,
Speaker 1: and knowing that it's always kind of anxiety producing for
Speaker 1: me to pitch, but that that I just need to
Speaker 1: keep it together for like five minutes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That it's like that I can rehearse it
Speaker 1: enough that it's that I might some people might be
Speaker 1: able to wing it more, but that if I rehearse
Speaker 1: it enough that I know it really well, then I
Speaker 1: can go almost treated like an audition and then go
Speaker 1: in and seem like fake it to make it a
Speaker 1: little like confident, even if it's you know, because I
Speaker 1: know that we'll do a good job once we write it.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's just sort of not apologizing for
Speaker 1: taking up the space in the room to like take
Speaker 1: somebody's time to explain it to them. But it's hard.
Speaker 1: Pitching any any comedic idea at any setting is always
Speaker 1: you know, you, it's you selling it because I mean,
Speaker 1: like if you bail on even the best idea in
Speaker 1: the world, it won't go like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I think of the confidence that had to take
Speaker 1: to like pitch something like David S. Pumpkins. It's like
Speaker 1: literally on papers is nothing, Yeah, it's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's nothing, and then in performance and execution it is iconic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like there had to
Speaker 1: be a germ of like or like a seed of
Speaker 1: confidence that like goes with that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like you have to be like someone who's behind what
Speaker 1: they're doing in order to make something work. So I
Speaker 1: always feel like anything i've pitched that like I went
Speaker 1: to the next place, so like continued on. Like I
Speaker 1: was like, well, thank god I was behind that. It's
Speaker 1: performing where if you're having fun, they're having fun. Like
Speaker 1: when you're pitching, if you're you can take it into
Speaker 1: being a good thing. I'll tell you. I started doing
Speaker 1: stand up later and it's been like it was so
Speaker 1: helpful for me in so many areas, Like I started
Speaker 1: out as a stand up and that's how I got
Speaker 1: my agent and then um and then I quickly like
Speaker 1: I lucked out and I got a sitcom, and I
Speaker 1: like I was just sort of and I moved from
Speaker 1: New York to l A. And but I remember doing
Speaker 1: when I was doing Chelsea Lately, Bobby Lee sort of
Speaker 1: did an intervention on me because you know, it was
Speaker 1: so on to do Chelsea and it was nice that
Speaker 1: people sort of put a name to the face and
Speaker 1: they'd get to know us. Thank you. I love doing it.
Speaker 1: And he was like, but I lived in New York
Speaker 1: and so I would like fly myself out and they
Speaker 1: you know, it's e late night, so you make like
Speaker 1: three bucks and he goes, he was like, I love
Speaker 1: Bobby Lie so much, and he was like arden, He's like,
Speaker 1: he was like, listen to me. You're a funny person.
Speaker 1: You're the only person on here that's not earning on
Speaker 1: the weekends from this. Like every time he's like you,
Speaker 1: he's like, this is how much I make every weekend,
Speaker 1: and you have the exact same credits as me, And
Speaker 1: there's no reason you shouldn't be a stand up and
Speaker 1: earning from this. And then so he was like, here's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. And well, like one month's time,
Speaker 1: you're gonna I have a show at the Ice House
Speaker 1: in Pasadena and you're gonna come to a ten minutes set.
Speaker 1: Was me and Jordan Peel. We're going to each go
Speaker 1: do ten minutes sets. And so he's like, so, whatever
Speaker 1: you need to do between now and a month from
Speaker 1: now to get your ten minutes set ready, you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna come do that in a month. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, and then he went over to his
Speaker 1: house and he was like, Okay, first you need to decide.
Speaker 1: He goes, first of all, you thank the host and
Speaker 1: then he's like, and he's like, and you're an attractive females,
Speaker 1: you need to insult your appearance. And he's like, and
Speaker 1: then so they don't. You don't see the audience doesn't
Speaker 1: think that you think you're all that. And then he goes,
Speaker 1: you have to decide whether or not you're a physical
Speaker 1: comic or you're a mic in the stand comic. And
Speaker 1: he goes, I think you're a physical comic. So he goes,
Speaker 1: So then you take the stand and you thank the host,
Speaker 1: and you put the stand behind you so the stand
Speaker 1: isn't blocking, and then you can move around. And then
Speaker 1: when you're done, you put the mic pick to pick
Speaker 1: to stand back, and you put the mic back in
Speaker 1: the stand. And it was just so interesting coming back
Speaker 1: to stand up because I and what's and then headlining
Speaker 1: way too quickly, you know, because I had the credits.
Speaker 1: I was headlining way too fast, but out of pride,
Speaker 1: like just getting my ship together. It's like, well, if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be up there for forty five minutes, I
Speaker 1: better like at least I remember going, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: an a performance of like B material, you know, for
Speaker 1: a while, like as you're like, I may have the
Speaker 1: best jokes about I'm gonna give a really fun performance
Speaker 1: and then like working on it as you go, like
Speaker 1: you know in the beginning. But what was so great
Speaker 1: was just saying of not bailing. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: long time to be up there so for you know,
Speaker 1: and there's check drops and waiters and sometimes people get
Speaker 1: tired of the A C is not working or somebody's drunk,
Speaker 1: and not giving up on yourself when you're when you're
Speaker 1: starting to lose your attention and just to be like
Speaker 1: like to not panicked, to know that it's okay to
Speaker 1: start to leave your body like Elvis starts to leave
Speaker 1: the building and then just to kind of come back
Speaker 1: in and like even if your mouth is still moving
Speaker 1: and you've left the building, to like do a little
Speaker 1: self soothing come back. You know that you can like
Speaker 1: reconnect and like change the energy or like ask them
Speaker 1: about like that you can. It's never too late to
Speaker 1: get them back. And and that's helped me. Like pitching
Speaker 1: that's helped me, Auditioning that's helped me. Like if I
Speaker 1: test for something, that's helped me doing like theaters, like
Speaker 1: acting plays, and like it it's that to not fear
Speaker 1: when you start to leave the building because it's going
Speaker 1: to happen from time to time, just to like figure
Speaker 1: out ways to kind of get you back and like
Speaker 1: pitch and not bail on yourself. No, that's cool. That's
Speaker 1: that's a mindfulness thing. It's so crazy. Did you originate
Speaker 1: did you originate? Met your shower? I was the I
Speaker 1: was me and Jenna Fisher. She did this. It was
Speaker 1: like a co So I did the they did the
Speaker 1: pre Broadway one. One of them was out here at
Speaker 1: the Old Globe, and then one of them I did
Speaker 1: the one in New Haven I did. I did the
Speaker 1: part there okay? And was that the Amy Schumer role? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So she was nominated for a Tony for that. It's
Speaker 1: a great role. I was thinking about just things that
Speaker 1: make me nervous before I go on stage, because I
Speaker 1: was it really over the years as I've become like
Speaker 1: more seasoned, like very few things would make me nervous.
Speaker 1: But um, straight up acting on stage I think would
Speaker 1: make me nervous because you are without the crutch. It's
Speaker 1: it's a sort of opposite of what you were saying before.
Speaker 1: I'm so comfortable being myself on stage and relying on
Speaker 1: my own creations, but um, when I have to interpret
Speaker 1: something else or tap into someone else on stage, that
Speaker 1: is what would make me a little nervous. Like but
Speaker 1: you are you were you always a trained actress or
Speaker 1: like it was kind of opposite for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting I've done. I've done like five plays
Speaker 1: in New York and around there, and it's been so
Speaker 1: interesting to sort of goodle like I've done three at
Speaker 1: the public too, at the I don't know whatever, but
Speaker 1: like to go and do like do these sort of
Speaker 1: fancy things with these like I remember again it was
Speaker 1: one of those fancy It is one of those things.
Speaker 1: And I remember before I had done stand up at first,
Speaker 1: so I don't reme what this but like my brain
Speaker 1: when I was younger being like, oh I didn't go
Speaker 1: to Juilliard, I didn't go to Yale, Like, oh, it's not.
Speaker 1: And then I have to say coming back and doing
Speaker 1: them after having headlines stand up for many years, you're like,
Speaker 1: I can't fucking do anything. I don't mean like I
Speaker 1: know how to be I can stay grounded on stage.
Speaker 1: I can listen and respond what was helpful for me
Speaker 1: doing it? This isn't a full answer to your question,
Speaker 1: but like seeing that it's helped me with auditions and
Speaker 1: stuff in that I saw that every night I got
Speaker 1: nervous before it, and even the head of the hair
Speaker 1: department of Mad TV. I would like panic and say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna forget my lines, and he goes,
Speaker 1: you realize you're you said that before, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like eighty episodes, Like is the final episode? He
Speaker 1: was like, You've said that for eighty episodes and you've
Speaker 1: never forgotten a line. And so so clearly my process
Speaker 1: like to freak out before. Yeah, And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I do so like this, and I
Speaker 1: clearly it must be some kind of excitement. I must
Speaker 1: kind of like this and I'm just learning, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna kill me. This is Oh, it's right
Speaker 1: on track. I guess because you're care about being good.
Speaker 1: It's because you care about doing well and you want
Speaker 1: to do a great job for yourself and for the
Speaker 1: audience and for everyone that you're on stage with. So
Speaker 1: it's an investment thing. It's one of those things that
Speaker 1: it's helped I think with with theater. What I like
Speaker 1: about it is what I like about the nose safety
Speaker 1: net is like making the eye contact with somebody else
Speaker 1: on stage. There's something about like the eye contact, having
Speaker 1: to trust them and then and then truly it's like
Speaker 1: I'm very bad at meditating, and there's something about like
Speaker 1: you can't. You have to just be where you are.
Speaker 1: You cannot get ahead of yourself because you you will
Speaker 1: screw somebody else over probably, so like truly just like
Speaker 1: being there, and that is different. It's also interesting that
Speaker 1: it's like even some performances that felt like they were
Speaker 1: the best performances, sometimes the crowd just wasn't into it,
Speaker 1: or sometimes they went crazy and it was sort of
Speaker 1: maybe a slap your performance that is not as personal
Speaker 1: as it feels. That was helpful with stand up, they
Speaker 1: helped each other. I love that it's always so different.
Speaker 1: I would love to do a play. It's fun. It's
Speaker 1: but you want a short run. You want like a
Speaker 1: limited and get like it's fun of like a three
Speaker 1: month in you have like a month of rehearsals, like
Speaker 1: two weeks of previews and then like six weeks of
Speaker 1: shows and then like okay, by like I don't think
Speaker 1: it's them In college and I was always like mad
Speaker 1: when like the like six or seven show. It was
Speaker 1: it was only like a week, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean in college, only doing like a week, And I
Speaker 1: was always mad when they were over. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but that for years, like some of
Speaker 1: these Broadway shows, we had been plaid on the show.
Speaker 1: And he was like, even though I knew it was
Speaker 1: like a show that was showcasing me, it's like after
Speaker 1: a while, it's like you want to move on justifiably.
Speaker 1: I've never done one that's more than like four months
Speaker 1: they were. Meteor Shower was fun because except for one scene,
Speaker 1: I was on stage the whole time and I'd never
Speaker 1: had such a big part to play. And Steve Martin
Speaker 1: was around for like the rehearsals, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was such a hero of mine. I had albums, I
Speaker 1: had a poster him on the wall, like I had
Speaker 1: the best. So that was really like to get to
Speaker 1: work with him and it was interesting. Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: say stand up in my mind, my stand up university
Speaker 1: what gave me the confidence to go But like and
Speaker 1: like truly be like, it doesn't matter that I didn't
Speaker 1: go to Juilliard. They picked me. I've had so much
Speaker 1: performance on stage. I have alone on stage I know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And this goes back to the anything too.
Speaker 1: Probably said that about Amy Schumer and she yes, yes,
Speaker 1: But this goes back to the anything where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're it's this thing that like really kind
Speaker 1: of lit something up in you, was like the seed
Speaker 1: crystal for for this life that you wanted, and then
Speaker 1: you're like how do I get there? And then yeah,
Speaker 1: this but this I relate to this thing too, where
Speaker 1: it's like this thing claims on you where you're like,
Speaker 1: I look for me, it was like I didn't study,
Speaker 1: you know, any performing arts in college, and like yes,
Speaker 1: and like that puts me to disadvantage and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff. But then like I don't know, like there
Speaker 1: there's everyone has their own differently sized hill to sort
Speaker 1: of like crest over in order to get to a
Speaker 1: place of like, oh no, I can, I can. I
Speaker 1: can probably do this and do this well because I
Speaker 1: care about I care somewhat about putting a good quality
Speaker 1: thing out there. The thing I've learned more and more
Speaker 1: is is truly, the more I get more specific about
Speaker 1: what's unique to what what's my little what's my land
Speaker 1: of the highway, what makes my tail wag what kind
Speaker 1: of where am I like best service in the world
Speaker 1: in a way that's like that it may not be important,
Speaker 1: but I mean even truly pitching this podcast is the
Speaker 1: silliest thing. We break down Bachelor episodes. But I've never
Speaker 1: watched sports or anything, but it was there was something
Speaker 1: about like wanting to do a community thing of like
Speaker 1: who's going to the finals, Who's going to the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: He was getting banged in a hot tub, Like it's
Speaker 1: like but that, but that's something that seemingly like completely frivolous,
Speaker 1: but that like people respond to when you when you
Speaker 1: do what's sort of unique to and sometimes coming back
Speaker 1: to stand up, like at first I had my idea
Speaker 1: of what Bobby told me this to he was like
Speaker 1: recorded and listen back to where they want to laugh
Speaker 1: and you're not letting them laugh and you're cutting off
Speaker 1: tip and it was like and so then and then
Speaker 1: I felt like you know, in the beginning, when you're
Speaker 1: first just trying to put together five minutes, ten minutes,
Speaker 1: you have your idea of what your act is, but
Speaker 1: then the audience tells you how they like you and
Speaker 1: the gift of that and it's like nobody wants for me.
Speaker 1: It was like nobody wants to hang out with a
Speaker 1: perfect part, like they like me a little bit of
Speaker 1: a mess. It's like Kitty got into the champagne bottle
Speaker 1: and Kitty wants to play and like a little bit
Speaker 1: of a dingdong, and there was something it's like your flaws,
Speaker 1: like the gift of everything I thought was like wrong
Speaker 1: with me or the most shameful about me is actually
Speaker 1: what is the most relatable or what people because everybody
Speaker 1: has a little monster sides too, and that good personal
Speaker 1: exercise to to find out how to think about the
Speaker 1: contrast of how you are comfortable on stage and how
Speaker 1: you're comfortable acting on stage, and also how you're being
Speaker 1: responded to on stage. It's an interesting dance or what
Speaker 1: people project onto you all the time. Because I'm whatever
Speaker 1: not to not to bring this back to me, but
Speaker 1: like I'm exploring this thing now where it's like, oh, whenever, whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever I whenever I go out, um to do to
Speaker 1: be in a sketch or whatever, it's like the audience
Speaker 1: wants me or expects me to be this sassy, like
Speaker 1: bitchy gay guy and I'm like, but that's not what
Speaker 1: I am all the time, and I'm trying to like
Speaker 1: show people different different like you know, little granules of
Speaker 1: like myself. But it's like there's like everyone's gonna like
Speaker 1: work some acrobatic thing, gymnastic thing to like tie me
Speaker 1: back to that person. I'm like, oh, that's fun. Like
Speaker 1: I can now I can like put push and pull
Speaker 1: and tug like that string for I'm not string, but
Speaker 1: like I I can pull that threats as much as
Speaker 1: I want, whatever way I want. Well, we all fly
Speaker 1: in in certain packages. And I think, particularly in comedy,
Speaker 1: if you know, like a blonde lady on stage or
Speaker 1: an Asian man on stage is not necessarily like the
Speaker 1: it's not the majority, you know, and and so what's fun, know,
Speaker 1: like for me a stand up to is like like
Speaker 1: if you're doing a longer set, being able to sort
Speaker 1: of sneak in darker things or like now like you
Speaker 1: you have for you like that, you have them liking you.
Speaker 1: You know you can do that, and then like what
Speaker 1: can you sneak at? How far can you push it? What?
Speaker 1: What else can you get away with? Like the fun
Speaker 1: of the fun of just refusing to be completely just
Speaker 1: put in that. Yeah, we have to take a break before.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey is actually, well you'll find
Speaker 1: out in a second. So we're back. And if you're
Speaker 1: wondering what I don't think so honey is, um, if
Speaker 1: you're a reader who forgot or this is your first
Speaker 1: time listening to this podcast where we have the amazing
Speaker 1: guest art Marine, I don't think so honey is a
Speaker 1: sixties second segment where we take something on pop culture
Speaker 1: and we're just absolutely rail against it. Wouldn't you say, bowen,
Speaker 1: we really down the tracks, we build the locomotive and
Speaker 1: we fucking ride that track on the locomotive. Were okay?
Speaker 1: A different way to rail? Something many and actually it's
Speaker 1: rule culture number nine. There's so many toiling. But but um,
Speaker 1: you know it is has been customed, has become custom
Speaker 1: that I do go first, and I could. I think
Speaker 1: you could? I think you could? You would you like
Speaker 1: to tie me? Because I have something? I got the
Speaker 1: phone in hand. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: People who criticize me for using the word like too
Speaker 1: much when I don't think so honey. Anyone who criticizes
Speaker 1: anyone for using like too much. Honey. It's modern times.
Speaker 1: It's a colloquialism, and it is how we express ourselves. Also, seriously,
Speaker 1: you were going to die on this boring ass hill, bitch.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you sound like innovative saying this?
Speaker 1: You wasting breath talking about how you don't like people
Speaker 1: saying the word like is such so much more of
Speaker 1: a waste of breath than the reps I take before
Speaker 1: and after the word alike and my many sentences. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm honey, Sorry, I'm influenced my youth culture. Sorry. And
Speaker 1: you know what if my godmother, whose name is Alicia Silverstone,
Speaker 1: not but in my life, says like all the time
Speaker 1: in the classic film Clueless. And here's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: If I don't think so, honey, if you think that
Speaker 1: that saying like is not intelligent, because I it's so
Speaker 1: funny that I ran out of gas talk I'm done,
Speaker 1: And it's so funny that I ran out of gas
Speaker 1: talking about how actually I'm smart even though I say like,
Speaker 1: and I had nothing. Now I have somebody slid into
Speaker 1: my d M s and shame me for saying like
Speaker 1: on a podcast, And I just wanted to rip her
Speaker 1: throat out. It's so funny because like every single language
Speaker 1: in the world, Every language in the world has a
Speaker 1: filler word like that. Every language has that, and like,
Speaker 1: why are you like it's trying to say that it's
Speaker 1: bad or that it's like the indicator of it that
Speaker 1: like someone's dumb if they don't even hear it. I
Speaker 1: don't hear either, anybody I don't even hear And you
Speaker 1: know what, all all it does is put me in
Speaker 1: my head in a way. It's like, oh, do I
Speaker 1: sound stupid or she sends you a lengthy shaming email.
Speaker 1: It works, and it's like, I don't think so had Nick.
Speaker 1: We got read on the on the reviews on the
Speaker 1: podcast app because of it, and it's I understand it
Speaker 1: because if it's really bothering you didn't, Yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: like and I'll try to make the adjustment. But it's
Speaker 1: just so funny how people equate it with like lack
Speaker 1: of intelligence, because I think that's really a first thought,
Speaker 1: like as I say, like again and now I'll be
Speaker 1: in my head, I didn't notice. But it's interesting that
Speaker 1: people just want to equate it with lack of intelligence
Speaker 1: so quickly. Is it really that simple? And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you from Cash, she is simple. From the tent to
Speaker 1: Americ Cash. Just get on the like train because it
Speaker 1: is more fun. Yeah, it's also it's it's it's sort
Speaker 1: of insinuating that I don't have interesting things to say.
Speaker 1: But honey, you're listening, you enough to comment on the podcast.
Speaker 1: But that's also could be because they like. But I
Speaker 1: just wanted to like. I just I said it. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to discuss that as a thing, because it's
Speaker 1: so interesting that people, really, they would make you feel
Speaker 1: stupid for for just trying to express yourself. It's so interesting.
Speaker 1: It's I rejected, I reject all. I don't care as
Speaker 1: long as you guys rejected then completely reject and feel
Speaker 1: angry about it on behalf of you. I think that
Speaker 1: was very solid. I thank wish. I wish it had
Speaker 1: ended strongly um as I always do. But the matter is,
Speaker 1: my point is made, and that's really all we try
Speaker 1: to do on this pod. Hey, bow and Yang, what
Speaker 1: about you? I'm ready, I've got something. Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is Bowen Yang. I don't think so, honey, And like
Speaker 1: he starts now, I don't think so, honey, mirrors, Sweetie,
Speaker 1: I don't like what I'm seeing. And it's not because
Speaker 1: I think it's because after quarantine, like the mirrors in
Speaker 1: your house really start to play tricks on you, and
Speaker 1: then you know, and then I see some spittle I
Speaker 1: see I see some like little bits of gross stuff
Speaker 1: on the actual service, and then when I wipe it down,
Speaker 1: it feels um. This is no. It canna be more specific.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many bathroom mirrors because I get
Speaker 1: the toothpaste on it, I get the face I get
Speaker 1: the face wash on it, and then I feel crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel like a dirty caveman for having to walk
Speaker 1: like wipe down my mirror every other day. Is this
Speaker 1: the frequency we're all working like we're all working with
Speaker 1: right now? Because I'm doing it every other day, I
Speaker 1: feel disgusting. Maybe I am disgusting and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something and this is kind of gross. But
Speaker 1: I have been having to bleach the damn porcelain bowl
Speaker 1: ever since quarantine because I'm I'm taking like really like
Speaker 1: powerful ships and it's it claims now and now all
Speaker 1: my stuff is dirty and I feel like a dirty person.
Speaker 1: And that's one that I'm really happy that you've brought
Speaker 1: this up, because well, two things, same thing with the
Speaker 1: toilet bowl, and the other thing is your mirrors in
Speaker 1: your house would make you think you were an absolute
Speaker 1: film exactly, And I know I'm not. I cleaned every
Speaker 1: Sunday I cleaned, and I thought, like, Brad, what has
Speaker 1: But I mean, truly, it's so disgusting. It's so what
Speaker 1: happened here? What did I do? What kind of like
Speaker 1: did I did I eat bath salt and like rip
Speaker 1: somebody's face? Like like did I go crazy? Like what
Speaker 1: sometimes happened in here? I have sometimes I have to
Speaker 1: be like, I know I didn't come on this mirror.
Speaker 1: So what's this come? What could become? What's this come?
Speaker 1: It's actually real culture number ninety six. What's what's come?
Speaker 1: But bowen? Yes, powerful? And I think during quarantine, we're
Speaker 1: all noticing that our mirrors are not are not what
Speaker 1: they should be because what elst we wants to look at.
Speaker 1: I've also never seen so many zits on myself and
Speaker 1: like just a quarantine acne, I cannot I just like
Speaker 1: this looks flawless. Oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I put some make up off for you guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I wake up. I don't know if because I'm
Speaker 1: like sleeping on my face. I don't know if it's anxiety.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm not liking some of it,
Speaker 1: like the stress breakout. Engineer Doug says it's toothpaste, and
Speaker 1: he's exactly right. He's exactly right. It is toothpaste. That
Speaker 1: it's actually that come that come on your mirror is toothpaste.
Speaker 1: It's actually rutal culture number forty nine, Come on, mirror
Speaker 1: is toothpaste. Now, it's interesting that that's forty one, but
Speaker 1: that answers a question that's set in. Yes, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't make the rules. I just I just make
Speaker 1: the list. That's fine, that's are you ready for a ready? Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this, Marines. I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey and her time starts now. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: and this is not going to be a popular thing
Speaker 1: to have a problem with. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Shared plate restaurants, okay. I do not mind a family style.
Speaker 1: I do not mind a Buka de bacco. I don't
Speaker 1: mind going to like a Chinese restaurant and getting like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get like three We're gonna get this and
Speaker 1: this and this and three things. I do not like
Speaker 1: some I don't think so honey. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have to go out with my lawyer. My publish
Speaker 1: is my Oh you want do you want the beat?
Speaker 1: Sell it? Okay? So what do you do? You know
Speaker 1: you want the you want the Calumari? Okay, So we'll
Speaker 1: get what and then you'll have one of my beats.
Speaker 1: And because they come in their tiny it's not shairplate,
Speaker 1: disregular size plates. But then you have to like negotiate
Speaker 1: with like, oh no, I'm not beating, weat, I'm not eating.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I am a grown ass adult.
Speaker 1: I will pay for my own stuff. Why can't I
Speaker 1: just get what I want to get? And I have
Speaker 1: your dirtiest fingers into my tiny non share plates, not
Speaker 1: family stuff, I don't think, so honey, shared plates? Thank you,
Speaker 1: COVID take it away, by bye. You know what? I
Speaker 1: love my lawyer a set you called my birthday. I
Speaker 1: don't care what he wants at a restaurant. I want
Speaker 1: my own thing. I want my own thing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go. Okay, so we're gonna get one beat
Speaker 1: and then you guys want the you guys want the
Speaker 1: okay like you guys want the the aruga with vinegar, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: So when you know there's always two whole dishes on
Speaker 1: the table that you want nothing to do with, and
Speaker 1: you know there's one you want so badly, and you
Speaker 1: don't want to have to share eight ways, and you
Speaker 1: don't want to look like an asshole, you're like, if
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm on my own, Like I how about
Speaker 1: we all get our own plates and if there's one
Speaker 1: thing we're dying to try, we'll get one or two
Speaker 1: and put it in the middle. That's fine, So open
Speaker 1: to sharing, but not everything. And also good luck being
Speaker 1: full after eating at a shared plays restaurant. And the
Speaker 1: bill I really hope, and the bill is so the
Speaker 1: bill is so high there because they're And again I
Speaker 1: don't mind a family style. Family style. You give me
Speaker 1: a mountain of meatball, you give me a mountain of
Speaker 1: means bit, a pile of pasta. Great you. Yes, I
Speaker 1: love the pable room. The room. I went on a
Speaker 1: double day there. He was not that he was the
Speaker 1: other day Alan Tuteck from Fireflying I went, I dragged
Speaker 1: Alan Tuteck as like a double day to Bugabapo and
Speaker 1: he was like, why are we here? And I was
Speaker 1: so embarrassed. Family friend, I mean, I have pretty good friends,
Speaker 1: like pretty good wit wait, I have one to three.
Speaker 1: Name your name a cool friend that we have not mentioned.
Speaker 1: One two three Amy Man a man on the Magnolia
Speaker 1: soundtrack of the Magnolia Soundtrack of the Magnolia, The Magnalia Soundtrack.
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon, Molly Shannon. Okay, so I have a story
Speaker 1: about Molly Shannon. I saw Countess Luanne Live with Molly Shannon.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, can I just say I've so
Speaker 1: I got to do watching his live in January and
Speaker 1: I knew I was doing it and I was not
Speaker 1: a Bravo girl, but I went with Lauren when we
Speaker 1: went with her when she did watch I Have His Life,
Speaker 1: so like they were like, you need they gave me,
Speaker 1: just as you did on Survivor, which I will watch.
Speaker 1: They gave me. So I watched New York, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: Orange County, below, Deck Below, Dick Sailing, and so I'm
Speaker 1: watching all of them now. I am so New York
Speaker 1: is my favor. How was how was Louie. How was
Speaker 1: Louis And you went with you went with Molly. I
Speaker 1: went because I went with Chris Kelly and Sarah Schneider.
Speaker 1: I was a writer on the second season of the
Speaker 1: other two and they were going the best I mean
Speaker 1: great folks. Um. So they were going to the Countess Luanne,
Speaker 1: and they invited me to go, and they were like, also,
Speaker 1: Molly's coming, And then I was like gagged because obviously
Speaker 1: I love Maloshan and knew she was knew I would
Speaker 1: meet her eventually because I was writing for the show,
Speaker 1: but going to see lou with her as a whole
Speaker 1: other deal. And the funny thing that happened with Luanne
Speaker 1: was she comes out, she's like, you know, performing doing
Speaker 1: her things. She's let's just say this, she's definitely a star.
Speaker 1: So there's a there was a point where, um, you
Speaker 1: get to ask questions, like like she asked questions about everything.
Speaker 1: And Ben rim Alaer, who directed her show, we know
Speaker 1: him and I got the mike and I had spoken
Speaker 1: with him before, and he goes to Countcilu and he
Speaker 1: goes lou it's Matt Rogers from Los culture Ristas and
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, of course, my god, yeah. I literally
Speaker 1: she goes, Darling, how are you? It is so good
Speaker 1: to see it. We've not met Launce in our life.
Speaker 1: She's a politician. She's like a full politician. I was
Speaker 1: like little bro. I literally was like a little girl.
Speaker 1: It's so good to see you. Okay, So let's get
Speaker 1: to it like like we had, like we had. Don't
Speaker 1: you understand why she got so mad that they were
Speaker 1: screaming Giovanni, I don't understand the problem with that. Why
Speaker 1: was it awful that? Why was it about that? Grenda
Speaker 1: was saying that? Also, I'm loving she was Leah. Here's
Speaker 1: what I'll say about Leah. I love Leah on the show,
Speaker 1: Leah in Life. Uestions about Leah's politics or a little question, okay, question, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go for the Federalists deep diving. You have to
Speaker 1: you have to watch Potomac. Oh, that's also just told
Speaker 1: the Potomac somebody else in Potomac. I'm gonna write that
Speaker 1: down now. To Orange County was great. Tamer crying in
Speaker 1: the bushes Please Hills is really good this season so far,
Speaker 1: very much enjoying. Literally insane, what is insane? Her husband
Speaker 1: explaining what he did for a living at the dinner party.
Speaker 1: That was one of the most shocking things I've seen.
Speaker 1: And and and they're getting followed. I'm like, what if
Speaker 1: they actually are? Like what if they're not just crazy?
Speaker 1: Like well, I mean if what he says is true,
Speaker 1: then I guess or they're just revealing like some sort
Speaker 1: of real craziness. There splitting atom with sound. Why can't
Speaker 1: you cure your cancer? Is your friend? Why can't you
Speaker 1: cure your friend cancer? I was like, and then you
Speaker 1: you look at Denise and You're like, is he serious?
Speaker 1: And then you get that she believes it. Yeah, She's like,
Speaker 1: are they following us? I loved it? I mean, did
Speaker 1: you up up? So good? So good? I have to say,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about the new Southern friend? That's like,
Speaker 1: I thought you were boring? Okay, So I would say
Speaker 1: that Sutton is playing a season three arc on her
Speaker 1: third episode of the show, and it is bold. I
Speaker 1: don't know why she feels so comfortable so soon, but
Speaker 1: I'm kind of obsessed with her and her top knot
Speaker 1: at the dinner and also that she's obsessed with place cards. Yes,
Speaker 1: I want that bag under dollar back, her coup tour,
Speaker 1: her ready to wear all of it. She looks. Also,
Speaker 1: I will say this, when Teddy Mellencamp did not know
Speaker 1: what ready ready to wear men, I was like, get
Speaker 1: her out of here. Honestly, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp doesn't know what ready to wear. I know
Speaker 1: what ready to wear is, and you don't you thank you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like literally ready to there is your whole war.
Speaker 1: Drabe art Dubs rt dub was truly crazy. But I
Speaker 1: believe that overall the housewives are kind of firing on
Speaker 1: all cylinders this year, and you love to see it.
Speaker 1: You know what, I fought New Jersey and then I
Speaker 1: ended up loving New Jersey. I fought Joe Gorga. Now
Speaker 1: I love Joe Gorga. I'm all in. I Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of New Jersey is a little dark and real to
Speaker 1: me from Long Island, and I like those women. I'm
Speaker 1: from Suffolk County, so I'm from ice Lip, but I
Speaker 1: grew up on the on the South Shore, so I
Speaker 1: know all those like Italian girls who grew up into
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives in New Jersey. I mean, where's massive people?
Speaker 1: A lot of girls shure, Yeah, I mean I just
Speaker 1: know exactly what kind of like Trump voter like okay,
Speaker 1: like Italian Trump voter that produces and Rhode Island has
Speaker 1: has a I love like the real flo. It's just
Speaker 1: there's a nice I love like this, so d the
Speaker 1: Salty East Coast. I'm never gonna win in a fight,
Speaker 1: but they will kill your car. You have to go
Speaker 1: fight them under the water. So that's why they're so
Speaker 1: good with fighting with words and personal attacks, because they're
Speaker 1: never going to beat you physically, but they will kill
Speaker 1: your soul. Um. Can I be a hooker? Be a hooker? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not out yet. It's here. I wrote about your book.
Speaker 1: It's called Little Miss Little Compton. I have braces, races
Speaker 1: made this in sixth grade. There she is. It's a
Speaker 1: comedic memoir. Um and yeah, Anna's reading it's it comes.
Speaker 1: If you pre order, um, you can free. It's all
Speaker 1: about the pre orders, honey. If you want to get
Speaker 1: about porder, if you're trying to get on the if
Speaker 1: you're trying to get on the bestseller list, you have
Speaker 1: to It's all about the pre orders, um and so
Speaker 1: and so. If you email a receipt of your book
Speaker 1: to Rose Podcast at gmail dot com, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: giving away five T shirts and a puzzle coming up,
Speaker 1: so send us the receipts. And um, I'm the result
Speaker 1: of two hasty decisions. My grandparents married the day after
Speaker 1: they met, and my parents were co workers in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and they never dated, and one New Year's Eve they
Speaker 1: got engaged on a dare and they got married six
Speaker 1: years six months later, and they stayed married for fifty years.
Speaker 1: And then they moved to Little Compton and raised my
Speaker 1: brother and I got to get this book, little Little
Speaker 1: Miss Little Compton, mistle Compton, a memoir by Ard Marine.
Speaker 1: And what day does that come out? Come out? It
Speaker 1: comes out in September. But we have a nice quote
Speaker 1: from Chelsea Handler. Well, this book is just we have
Speaker 1: a nice story book, a nice quote from Amy Schumer,
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon, guess all the all the great, all about
Speaker 1: the pre orders, and then you email Rose Podcast at
Speaker 1: email dot com. Yeah. I have to say congratulations on
Speaker 1: writing that book and also congratulations for being that little
Speaker 1: n forward by Debbie Ryan. Debbie Ryan wrote me, she
Speaker 1: wrote the four word might B F F A T L. Debbie,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say congratulations on the book that's coming up.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on everything you're doing, and also congratulations on being
Speaker 1: that little four year old girl who wants to go
Speaker 1: see Annie and mad or dreams come true. That's the title.
Speaker 1: That's the title of the book. Was about like that
Speaker 1: little girl from a little Little Miss Sunshine and like
Speaker 1: and that. When I got the call that I booked
Speaker 1: this pilot, I felt like my react. I felt like
Speaker 1: the girl from Little Miss Sunshine, and I became a
Speaker 1: little miss little Content. That's so great, amazing, We were
Speaker 1: so we were so excited to have you on and
Speaker 1: this is such an incredible episode when you guys go
Speaker 1: to Rhode Island with me and Debbie Ryan, Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: buying my ticket and if this also is an intro
Speaker 1: to me meeting Debbie Ryan and Bowen get into me
Speaker 1: Debbie Ry Debbie. We meet Brian, Sofie know we love Brian.
Speaker 1: We shared a dressing room at I'm Best. He's the
Speaker 1: Brian and I share. We share, We exchange numbers out
Speaker 1: of no audition. Now where do you live? What town
Speaker 1: do you live? In Hollywood? In Hollywood, I'm I'm well,
Speaker 1: I almost just said literally where I lived, and that's
Speaker 1: not a good idea on a podcast, But I live
Speaker 1: in Hollywood and I love it. I live. Let's just
Speaker 1: say this. I live right by the Hollywood Tower. Let's
Speaker 1: just say that. Okay, he gave his he gave his
Speaker 1: address basically the Arden. This is this is the thing
Speaker 1: with Arden Marine. You've got okay, uh, stage actress, sketch actress,
Speaker 1: stand up um like sitcom legend, and then you've got
Speaker 1: reality show judge RuPaul's Drag Race Raja season. You've checked
Speaker 1: every show base box and this is what this is.
Speaker 1: This is Amazing Race. Loser. Please you'll probably win. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I would be. I mean, on your team
Speaker 1: is someone who almost went to space, So I mean
Speaker 1: that's the big He and I feel like we both
Speaker 1: have the same level of not being willing to break
Speaker 1: an ankle for it that I feel like we would
Speaker 1: be mellow. We just do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned to see keep your eye on Amazing Race
Speaker 1: to see if that ever happens, and pre order that
Speaker 1: damn book. Why don't you guys please watch The Bachelor
Speaker 1: and come on my podcast start. So, I actually I
Speaker 1: wanted to get into this, but we are into your
Speaker 1: heart like I wanted to get into like the Bachelor
Speaker 1: of it all. I watched the Rachel Lindsay season and
Speaker 1: fell in love with her, and then she was dead
Speaker 1: to me at the last episode. We hate her. I'm
Speaker 1: living my best life and said she lost all of us.
Speaker 1: She married the guy with che camp plants. He's a
Speaker 1: mom's boy. She truly did, and she she had who
Speaker 1: was literally the best, the best man I can think of,
Speaker 1: the hottest person on our agreed. So will you come back?
Speaker 1: You said, my friendship rose just to come play with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a bone up on my Bachelor Tube. I
Speaker 1: did watch. I watched Michel in season as well, but
Speaker 1: I yes, I will. I will close the gap of Okay,
Speaker 1: I will send I will, we will send what to
Speaker 1: watch too. We can learn you on Okay there They're
Speaker 1: going to be there. To readers, I love you both
Speaker 1: are really in fans of both of you. This is
Speaker 1: gonna joy to see you and you know Bowen, what
Speaker 1: is how do we end every episode bo with a song?
Speaker 1: With a song? Here we go, that's sun. I'll comment
Speaker 1: to tomorrow. I'm gonna be controversial and say my favorite
Speaker 1: song from the show is maybe Bye Bye Nice