Speaker 1: Once upon a time there was a good old traditional housewife.
Speaker 1: She couldn't. She cleaned and cared for her children and
Speaker 1: the man of the house, and of course she didn't
Speaker 1: talk back. She was both obedient and soft by nature.
Speaker 1: She was a good woman who always made good choices.
Speaker 2: That ship, we're good Mom's bad choices.
Speaker 3: You single mom who said fuck the patriarchy, shared all
Speaker 3: their bad choices.
Speaker 2: And sound out they were so bad.
Speaker 3: After all, we're experts, overshares and your new besties.
Speaker 2: Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to good Mom's bad choices. I'm Nila, and
Speaker 3: I'm Erica, and it's Wednesday, bitches.
Speaker 2: Happy motherfucking hot day.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Is that Mace? Is that Eminem? We're welcome back? Is
Speaker 2: it Eminem? Oh it's Mace. Look at the rats. I know,
Speaker 2: I know the raps, the raps.
Speaker 3: I have Mace's CD from Tower Records, right here on
Speaker 3: Little in Ventura Records.
Speaker 2: Yes I do. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: It used to be like an event to go get
Speaker 3: the new album and right here on the and then
Speaker 3: you listen like get the little sample.
Speaker 2: I was devastated when records closed specifically the one in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: because that was like a real iconic staple on Sunset.
Speaker 2: I forgot about the one in uh the gallery. Don't
Speaker 2: the CD stool got my ears pierced there, damn Anyway,
Speaker 2: you guys, I'm just gonna get into it. Might as well. Okay,
Speaker 2: we have a special guest today. He is a former
Speaker 2: guest of the show and a staple in my life.
Speaker 2: Half of your makings. We have my daddy on the show,
Speaker 2: my real dad, not like my daddy, my dad dad,
Speaker 2: football Hall of Famer podcaster Eric Dickerson, Father, Eric Dickerson,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Eric.
Speaker 2: I think I've never called you that.
Speaker 5: No, thank you, thank you, thank you for happening.
Speaker 2: I was listening to our past episode with him, and
Speaker 2: you introduced him as an All Star All Star Players
Speaker 2: football player.
Speaker 3: I got it right this time, I got I said,
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer football player, right, yeah, okay, because all
Speaker 3: starts the basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay. Welcome back, Dad, back to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming.
Speaker 3: I know he's the All Star of those motherfucking ribs.
Speaker 2: A star. What are you barbecue?
Speaker 5: I have been barbecued him months, but anytime I.
Speaker 2: Want, I need that recipe past.
Speaker 5: One minute, you eat meat in the next thing you.
Speaker 2: This is her story. She's a flexitarian.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: You don't know what the balance because I want to
Speaker 2: live alone. She goes extreme.
Speaker 3: She'll go from the vegan to pork right exactly.
Speaker 2: Currently, I'm a vegetarian.
Speaker 3: No fish, you say, okay, we'll take her portion of ribs.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, Dad. A lot has happened
Speaker 2: since then. When the last time we were you were
Speaker 2: on the show seven years ago. I think the Rams
Speaker 2: had just come to La. Yeah, and I was a
Speaker 2: year and a half out of my relationship, which seems
Speaker 2: crazy because it seems like I've been out of that
Speaker 2: relationship for twenty years.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it was seven years ago that
Speaker 3: you came on the show.
Speaker 5: But I know. I told Eric, I thought it was
Speaker 5: four three or four years.
Speaker 2: It was like very early in the podcast. It was
Speaker 2: like twenty nineteen, March twenty nineteen or it was in
Speaker 2: the dining room. Yeah, the dining room. I was in
Speaker 2: the I was in the interview because leave us alone,
Speaker 2: and she had headphones on him. I was like holding her.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of our early episodes, how are you.
Speaker 5: I'm good.
Speaker 2: How's it going today? Dad?
Speaker 5: This is going good? My dear, you look good. Thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm old, but you're not old. Yeah, I mean I am.
Speaker 5: Like I said, yeah, in your thirties to me's husband
Speaker 5: say he's thirty five. My gosh, that's thirty years ago
Speaker 5: for me. I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're old, I want to age like
Speaker 2: you and my mom, because you and my mom looked
Speaker 2: pretty fucking good for like you consider old hopefully.
Speaker 3: You know, you got your jewels on, you got your
Speaker 3: all black. You're looking pretty small to me.
Speaker 5: So you know, like this old man is what it is?
Speaker 2: As you get older?
Speaker 3: Do you think you get like do women get more
Speaker 3: bold or does it die off? Because you know you're
Speaker 3: you're an older football player. So I just want to
Speaker 3: know what is like the trajectory of the groupies as
Speaker 3: you get older, they get tired.
Speaker 5: Great, great question. You know I'm not a guy that's
Speaker 5: out there anymore. I mean I used to go to
Speaker 5: bars and clubs and parties. Like I was just left
Speaker 5: super Bowl this weekend. I went out twice out I
Speaker 5: didn't we want to go went to dinner at six
Speaker 5: o'clock and went to the party. I think I was
Speaker 5: at like eight thirty nine o'clock and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm out of here. Like ten thirty, I said, I
Speaker 5: want to get out of here. I mean, I just
Speaker 5: can't do that no more. And you know, the young girls,
Speaker 5: they still come up, some of them. I'm just what
Speaker 5: am I going to do? I don't get your number.
Speaker 5: I mean they take give me a how to give
Speaker 5: a girl my eyes? I have no clue. So you
Speaker 5: know that's just I'm I'm past that stage.
Speaker 3: At what point did you think you got to this point?
Speaker 3: Because I feel like a lot of men they really
Speaker 3: hang on, like obviously you're in a long term relationship,
Speaker 3: but I'm some of your colleagues who haven't been, who
Speaker 3: haven't gone that route, like I feel like they really
Speaker 3: they'll go with they'll go to the to the wheels
Speaker 3: fall off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some some do go to the wheels fall off.
Speaker 5: I mean I think I got there probably in my
Speaker 5: late thirties because I did a lot. I mean I
Speaker 5: was going I mean I wouldn't a heavy drinker, but
Speaker 5: I didn't do drugs. But the clubs is my thing.
Speaker 5: Clubs and strip clubs and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: I was doing all that kind of stuff. I won't forget.
Speaker 5: I think I was in Miami and I was maybe
Speaker 5: thirty nine or forty years old, and they said, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're gonna go to We're gonna go to dinner or
Speaker 5: to dinner early. He said, then we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 5: meet and go out at midnight. And I'm like, what midnight?
Speaker 5: I'm like, what the hell. I'm like, okay, I said, well,
Speaker 5: I need to go back and maybe take a nap
Speaker 5: so I won't forget. I went back to my hotel
Speaker 5: and it was about eleven forty five. I'm like, it's
Speaker 5: nowhere in the hell. I'm thin. They get up and
Speaker 5: go to no club. I take her say, man, I'm
Speaker 5: not going. I just I can't do it. That's when
Speaker 5: I think, you know, it was old for me, and
Speaker 5: you know, do I miss that life? Not even not
Speaker 5: even a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that. I think that drugs have to be
Speaker 2: involved past a certain age in order to be out
Speaker 2: of the house past.
Speaker 3: Eleven forty nine or vacation, like, you have to be
Speaker 3: really motivated because you're in a new city, new country,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh yes, late I'm going out to explore.
Speaker 5: Not at sixty years old, not in Miami six years old.
Speaker 5: I'm not you know, some guys, I mean, I got friends.
Speaker 5: I got some guys that I know that they still
Speaker 5: get out there. I'm like, man, how do you do it? Man?
Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't understand it. But like I said,
Speaker 5: that's just that's not my life.
Speaker 2: They're tired.
Speaker 5: They look tired. Yeah, but you know they can do that.
Speaker 5: I can.
Speaker 2: I see some of your friends. I could. I could
Speaker 2: see that some of them still be outside in these
Speaker 2: streets trying to pick up a young young and he
Speaker 2: seems his friends out. I don't see them out. I
Speaker 2: just see the look in their eyes.
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm gonna take it as much. Here
Speaker 5: a man who always had that look in his eye.
Speaker 5: You know, that's just how it worked. He's a man,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's just that, that's that animal instinct
Speaker 5: and you might not do nothing, but he gonna look
Speaker 5: like damn like that. Wow. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 5: just who you are.
Speaker 2: The other day, we were driving and she came there
Speaker 2: was a girl like on the side of the street,
Speaker 2: and Kim was like, hmm, I saw you look at
Speaker 2: her ass and I said no, I wasn't. And he
Speaker 2: was like, you were looking at her ass? And I
Speaker 2: was like, it's okay. He was like, no, you were looking.
Speaker 2: I was like, babe, I didn't even bring this up,
Speaker 2: like it's okay, you can look at her as it was.
Speaker 5: It was him. Trust I know.
Speaker 2: I'm on our last episode. You said that eighty percent
Speaker 2: of men are unfaithful. Is this still a fact?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, most men. I mean, look, you can find
Speaker 5: you can find a good man. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's some good men out there that that
Speaker 5: don't cheat. And I'm not saying I don't. I don't
Speaker 5: condone that. I'm saying it's right by no means. But men,
Speaker 5: we are hunters by nature. I mean, and that's just
Speaker 5: the facts. I mean. You know, you'd like to believe,
Speaker 5: or like, want your man to be with one woman
Speaker 5: this whole life, and women shea way smarter than we do.
Speaker 5: Y'all cheat too, and but y'all smarter. Boy. The man
Speaker 5: go ahead and you come back with lipstick on his collar,
Speaker 5: you know, stuff on its pay like damn well, and women,
Speaker 5: you be screwing the neighbor. And two years later said
Speaker 5: I'm leaving what I'm leaving the neighbor. What how long
Speaker 5: that's been going on? I mean, because y'all, y'all calculated
Speaker 5: by the men do stuff off of whom you know,
Speaker 5: with the with the head with no brain in it.
Speaker 5: That's that's our problem, you know. So yes, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying all men sheat by no means. And
Speaker 5: like I said, I said, I don't condone it. But
Speaker 5: you know, the thing is, for a man, it's hard
Speaker 5: to say, no, it just is. I mean, if you could,
Speaker 5: you could, you could be a faithful man, really faithful.
Speaker 2: It's not hard to say, say, I just see.
Speaker 5: The thing is, you're not you're a woman. You're a woman.
Speaker 2: No, No, I just don't believe that men don't have
Speaker 2: any self control. That's that's the myth that men all
Speaker 2: other men so that they don't have to have it.
Speaker 5: It's not a myth. It's not a myth. Because I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2: I mean, I really I know that men are visual creatures,
Speaker 2: and they supposedly think about sex more than women, and
Speaker 2: you know, they require a lot less to go into
Speaker 2: that sort of action than women do. But I also
Speaker 2: think that there's this narrative that you're saying that I
Speaker 2: think men pass on to other men. And then they're like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5: The boys will be boys, you know. You you can
Speaker 5: take a little kid, a little boy, say he's six
Speaker 5: seven years old and he don't know nothing about sex,
Speaker 5: but he looks at a girl like look at that,
Speaker 5: look at her? He just looked. You know, that's just
Speaker 5: it's it's your nature. It's what it is. And it's
Speaker 5: just like we were the golf, of course, guys playing
Speaker 5: golf and guys and man and I got a good woman.
Speaker 5: I don't know what name. Hell I was messing un
Speaker 5: what the hell am I doing? I mean, you question
Speaker 5: yourself and I'm telling.
Speaker 3: You doing crazy?
Speaker 5: Dad is you still do it? And it's not that
Speaker 5: it's not that you you disappointed in yourself for doing
Speaker 5: you really are, But like I said, you can never
Speaker 5: understand it because you're not a man. It's like me
Speaker 5: thinking about being a woman. I mean, I'll never know
Speaker 5: what it's like to be a woman. I never know
Speaker 5: it's like to carry a baby. And we can talk
Speaker 5: about it like you can have a man that said
Speaker 5: transgender and he said, oh, it's my baby, I'm trying
Speaker 5: to breast free. He ain't no mama, he don't know
Speaker 5: what that's like. That's not being a real mother. So
Speaker 5: it's not like we want to. And I'm like saying,
Speaker 5: I don't say, oh men, don't she that's that's not
Speaker 5: true every man. That's not cheat. But most of them do.
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's not even they do it purposely. Women
Speaker 5: are so aggressive these days, and they were aggressive back
Speaker 5: in my day, but this day, man, all you can do.
Speaker 5: My cousin, they played in the league, Ricky, I won't forget.
Speaker 5: We were in super Bowl in Minnesota. This is bou
Speaker 5: just seven eight, seven years ago, and I'm like, what
Speaker 5: you're doing. Say, I'm on my phone looking at the girls.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what girls we show them? Like, what the
Speaker 5: hell is that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: I think it was tender or something like that. Tender.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, he said she gonna come over.
Speaker 5: I'm like, come over, Well, she coming over here? I'm like,
Speaker 5: what I mean? It's that he said, Man, ever gets
Speaker 5: so easy, and I mean I had no no offense,
Speaker 5: but not all that. It's good women out there, really
Speaker 5: good women, but a lot of women a whrse. I'm
Speaker 5: serious they hoard themselves.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I'm just gonna say, when you
Speaker 5: get it, when you get out there and showing your
Speaker 5: titties and you know, I'm showing, I'm shaking it up
Speaker 5: and you know all that kind of what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But I'm not saying. I'm saying, not every woman. It's
Speaker 5: like a woman that dresses very provocative, very provocative, but there,
Speaker 5: but she's not a whore. She might dress like that,
Speaker 5: she might even act like that a little bit, but
Speaker 5: she's not that person. And I know some girls just
Speaker 5: like that that. I can think of a girl in
Speaker 5: particularly in my mind. Man, I a Latin girl that
Speaker 5: I was liked, and she looked like that, but she
Speaker 5: was not that kind of girl. She was very classy.
Speaker 5: She dressed classy. Yeah, she dancing on its sexy. But no,
Speaker 5: I mean, I won't forget one time we kissed a
Speaker 5: car for like two hours, like over my lips in it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I go to touch it. No Poppy, no Poppy,
Speaker 5: I'm like, Lord, have mercy. So anyway, you know, it's
Speaker 5: women make it. Women make it really easy for men.
Speaker 5: I mean, so, I mean, most like the marriages are
Speaker 5: gone down because we don't have to get married. I mean,
Speaker 5: you got multiple. I mean, look, I love women. I
Speaker 5: mean I love women, and I respect a good woman.
Speaker 5: And what I mean saying that, that's like saying every
Speaker 5: woman is not a good woman. That's like saying every
Speaker 5: mom is a good mom, every dad is a good dad,
Speaker 5: every child's a good jet child. That doesn't work like that.
Speaker 5: That's not life is I mean, you know who you
Speaker 5: are inside. You know who you are. I mean, you
Speaker 5: know what you will do and you know what you
Speaker 5: want to do. I mean I've had girls, you know,
Speaker 5: when I was younger. You know, I can't believe I'm
Speaker 5: down there giving you a blow me either, But don't stop.
Speaker 5: You got a boyfriend, and you got a boyfriend at home.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I'm saying. I know the things
Speaker 5: that girls will do. I'm not me and I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I'm being one hundred.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I want to believe that
Speaker 2: the women are waking up and.
Speaker 5: Have more self you know, some I hope some women
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 2: There's a I think there's definitely more women than maybe
Speaker 2: in your day of Hodem. There's there's horse all over
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: Let's be the male horse female horse. You got to
Speaker 3: make each other horse.
Speaker 5: Man can't man really, man can't be a hole, he's
Speaker 5: just he'd just be horrish.
Speaker 2: A man can't be a hole.
Speaker 5: He could be horrish. I mean, okay, let's see.
Speaker 2: We're starting here.
Speaker 5: Okay, A man, a man, a man. Let me let
Speaker 5: me say this, mis put like this here. Okay, let's
Speaker 5: let's use a man. A girl will be like girl.
Speaker 5: He ain't no but a big old hole. You know
Speaker 5: I would navi date him. Next thing you see? Oh
Speaker 5: he ain't that. Ain't that bad?
Speaker 2: Girl?
Speaker 5: You know I like him? Okay, Now let's take a woman.
Speaker 5: You see a woman, she good looking? Yeah, man, you
Speaker 5: know everybody hitting that, I'm gonna hit it, but I
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be damping to be seen with her like that.
Speaker 5: I ain't trying to marry her. But somebody would, but
Speaker 5: mostly not high valued men, not men that want a
Speaker 5: woman with some value. And that's what you want. You
Speaker 5: don't want to walk into a bar or an establishment.
Speaker 5: And I can say this has happened. When a girl
Speaker 5: was there with another player that I knew. I'd introduced
Speaker 5: him to her, and I told him don't fall in love.
Speaker 5: That's what I told her, don't fall in love because
Speaker 5: I know she was a hope. What does he do?
Speaker 5: He started dating the whole, he married the whole. Guy said, man,
Speaker 5: why are you telling myself? I told him I can't
Speaker 5: make him. Maybe she's a housewife. Now she was just
Speaker 5: what what hey, I tiger is a tiger. He is
Speaker 5: not a monkey. You know.
Speaker 3: I think there's there are women you're right there, like
Speaker 3: appear like they are scantily clothed. Maybe they look they
Speaker 3: dressed a certain part or show up a certain part.
Speaker 3: But there's like an essence of a real whore, Like
Speaker 3: that's a whole, Like there's a there's like an essence
Speaker 3: of like a dirty, dirty cheap anybody can get it.
Speaker 3: That is like a way in which you carry yourself.
Speaker 3: There's an energy in which you carry yourself. It's like
Speaker 3: a bitch might be a whore, might be promiscuous, but
Speaker 3: she is a class about her. So you wouldn't know
Speaker 3: from just walking down the street. But there's certain bitches
Speaker 3: on the street. I'd be like that bitch sucks.
Speaker 5: You got me. You said it right, because I give
Speaker 5: I give a good example. A matter of fact, a
Speaker 5: friend of mine. He came to an event with a
Speaker 5: girl and I'm like, damn, she had a nice dress,
Speaker 5: pretty nice halfstyle. I say, that's a stripper. I can tell,
Speaker 5: I can tell.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I said, I ain't gonna see his name. I said,
Speaker 5: it's a stripple, you know, I said, I don't. It's
Speaker 5: just something about.
Speaker 3: There is something about certain strippers.
Speaker 2: You could take them out the club. But you can
Speaker 2: see the shipper.
Speaker 5: You can see. You can tell she had just walked in.
Speaker 5: But she didn't make nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, she said she had nice hair.
Speaker 5: It just looks like I want to take my clothes off.
Speaker 2: So you're saying, Dad, that you don't think that hose
Speaker 2: could be reformed.
Speaker 5: I don't want to turn the hole into a housewife.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm be honest with you, and it's just
Speaker 5: be one hundred. I'll never forget my grandfather. You knew
Speaker 5: my grandfather, Papa Horse. We're sitting out on the porch
Speaker 5: one day and uh, this lady passed by. He said
Speaker 5: he stop, stop stop stopped having to call she stopped,
Speaker 5: stop stopping. He said, hey, hey horse, how you doing, Hey,
Speaker 5: how you doing? Blah blah, blah, say he was always
Speaker 5: proud of me. Hey this that grand my grandson every day,
Speaker 5: that football player like that, I said, pop boy, stop,
Speaker 5: he said, how you doing? She pulls off. I'll never
Speaker 5: forget that. He's eighty years old, he said. He looked
Speaker 5: at me, say said him right there, boy, she was
Speaker 5: a hole in her day. Papa horse, he said. She
Speaker 5: liked that step you like, I'm like what you called it,
Speaker 5: blow you up, tugging on you. He said that she
Speaker 5: likes I'm like Papa hoys.
Speaker 2: Come on that stuff you like not eighty years old.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just so. I mean, you know, no one,
Speaker 5: no man, No, I say it again, no high valued man.
Speaker 2: What is a high valued man?
Speaker 5: High valued man is a man that has a career,
Speaker 5: has stuff going on and nothing and not to be rich.
Speaker 5: You know, he has he has something he's trying to accomplish,
Speaker 5: he wants. He'll make a good husband. He might not.
Speaker 5: You always fay, you make a good a good family man.
Speaker 2: You might not be faithful, but that's not a requirements.
Speaker 5: Let's just say said, most men that make a whole
Speaker 5: lot of money, I'm gonna put it like that make
Speaker 5: a lot of money, are not going to be faithful
Speaker 5: because they gonna you know, I'm in football, we have
Speaker 5: a saying you as faithful as your options because players,
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna say players, athletes, actors, you have a
Speaker 5: lot of options. Some guys you don't go down to
Speaker 5: mess around, but you got girls like it's always one,
Speaker 5: like damn, look at that one, right, It's just that
Speaker 5: one sometime that get your answer. Y'all make the eye contact.
Speaker 5: And like I said again, I'm not saying it's right
Speaker 5: by no means. I'm just telling you facts. And that's
Speaker 5: as a man I mean, and I'm an older man.
Speaker 5: Men ain't changed this. This has been going on since
Speaker 5: the beginning of the time. They gonna pick them, they
Speaker 5: gonna pick one, all of them. All men won't but
Speaker 5: a lot of me and they gonna lie.
Speaker 2: And this is why my daddy never had no remorse
Speaker 2: for me. When I be like, you cheated on me,
Speaker 2: he'd be like, oh, that's.
Speaker 5: Should I sayd He be.
Speaker 2: Like what now, Like okay, well, I'm sorry up.
Speaker 5: I mean, and you know, you know check it out.
Speaker 5: You you you you're women. Y'all want that bad boy
Speaker 5: you do it, and it's be honest. You want that
Speaker 5: bad boy. You don't want that guy that that's the
Speaker 5: good old guy that you know, just a good he's
Speaker 5: a good, good guy. I can't say a name. But
Speaker 5: my friend and she got up. She had a boyfriend
Speaker 5: not long ago, and I said, how's going. She said, Oh,
Speaker 5: he's such a nice guy. He say, but man, he
Speaker 5: be sending me flowers, be sending me poems every day,
Speaker 5: you know, be timmy. I mean, she loved him like
Speaker 5: I just can't take it. I'm like, I'm like, what's
Speaker 5: wrong with that? I said, you know what, you need
Speaker 5: a real nigga, don't you. She said yeah. I said see,
Speaker 5: I said, Now he'll say, oh she's older. That's what
Speaker 5: I'm trying to say. Y'all want that, y'all, y'all want
Speaker 5: that bad boy and a good boy, a good guy
Speaker 5: and one. And I mean, don't get me, it can
Speaker 5: happen like that. But most real males.
Speaker 2: What what are you?
Speaker 5: I mean? I was I was at Apple, I was
Speaker 5: that guy. I used to be that guy, a real nigga.
Speaker 2: But write no poetry, write no poetry.
Speaker 5: I ain't got nobody write no poetry, no poetry.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something. I had a rap game
Speaker 5: back in the day. You know, I could I could
Speaker 5: rap back.
Speaker 2: You know, we might have to run my dad's rap
Speaker 2: moment at the end of this episode. We may have
Speaker 2: to we might have to run that music. But what's
Speaker 2: your what's your line?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Would you say to Rihann like, what's up? Baby? Like
Speaker 2: what you're spending over there?
Speaker 5: I don't remember? But how you doing? I'm good? I'm like,
Speaker 5: what's your name? My name is Ran? I said, my
Speaker 5: name is Eric.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, stop, I know I don't want I
Speaker 2: don't need to be here for this. You picked the
Speaker 2: smooth boys. He thinks I was already enough at dinner.
Speaker 3: You know, this brings us, I think to our bad
Speaker 3: choice of the week because I have some questions, because
Speaker 3: do you bitches really just want a bad boy?
Speaker 2: Can we settle with a good guy?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Is that our problem? Because I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: Mom?
Speaker 4: But Mom so good?
Speaker 2: So should I read this bad choice? To read it?
Speaker 2: Do you, daddy? Do you have any bad choices of
Speaker 2: the week?
Speaker 5: The weeks? Yes started days two and I ain't got
Speaker 5: no bad jo, no bad choice.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let me.
Speaker 5: Know I was younger yet I'd be a man bad choices.
Speaker 2: Okay, Dear Erica and Jamila. First of all, thank you.
Speaker 2: I've listened to your podcast and loved you both over
Speaker 2: the past few years. Honestly, your episodes bring me joy, validation,
Speaker 2: and laughs. I'm a full stay at home mom creating
Speaker 2: my own business on the side, so all the joy
Speaker 2: you bring is so needed and appreciated, and I relate
Speaker 2: to you both so much. Being the spiritual thirty seven
Speaker 2: year old we'd smoking black mama that I am. I
Speaker 2: have two small kids under five and a white man,
Speaker 2: so there's that. In fact, my relationship is what led
Speaker 2: me to the bad choice of the week. I text
Speaker 2: an X then met up with him the next day.
Speaker 2: Nothing happened physically between us. We just chatted and smoked
Speaker 2: together like we always do. We always used to. We
Speaker 2: were always good friends, and it was so nice to
Speaker 2: have that moment again. My life has just become cooking
Speaker 2: and cleaning and putting everyone else first for the past
Speaker 2: five years, and I've been feeling so depleted. I feel
Speaker 2: so understimulated in my current relationship. I'm such a deep
Speaker 2: thinker and love connecting through conversation. I want to feel
Speaker 2: like my man can teach me something and I just
Speaker 2: don't want and I just don't have that with my
Speaker 2: current partner. We haven't had sex in nearly a year
Speaker 2: and a half, and I've been telling him for a
Speaker 2: long time how unhappy I am. I text my ex
Speaker 2: because I've missed him as a friend and the deep,
Speaker 2: interesting conversations we used to have. I've just felt so
Speaker 2: done in my current relationship. I had a dumb moment
Speaker 2: of impulse that I was aware of and still said
Speaker 2: fuck it. It's feeling more and more like a bad
Speaker 2: choice because since seeing him, I've been reminded of how
Speaker 2: seen and sexy I felt with him in my life.
Speaker 2: It's like since last week, I've gotten a part of
Speaker 2: myself back that feels positive and inspired again. However, that's
Speaker 2: making me want to see him again, and the thought
Speaker 2: of being sexual has crossed my mind.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I feel so trapped in my relationship. Financially, he couldn't
Speaker 2: afford to live separate from us and his family are
Speaker 2: far away. Plus he said he won't leave living with
Speaker 2: his kids. Girl, Sometimes I am to you, buddy right.
Speaker 2: In the past, I've suggested we open up the relationship,
Speaker 2: but he won't have it. I'm just feeling like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck did I do? And it was probably a
Speaker 2: bad choice. I don't want to have an affair and
Speaker 2: cheat on him, or would you consider it cheating. Would
Speaker 2: love to hear your thoughts if you get a chance,
Speaker 2: Love you a whole lot, Anonymous.
Speaker 3: You didn't hear this from me, But if you ain't
Speaker 3: got no dick in a year and a half and
Speaker 3: the dick right laying right next to you, and you
Speaker 3: told the nigger, hey, what's up with that dick?
Speaker 5: Right boy?
Speaker 2: Three times five times, you might be well.
Speaker 3: Within your rights to go get that oother dick that's
Speaker 3: on the table. Also to the men, to the men,
Speaker 3: once your woman has a baby, do not just look
Speaker 3: at her as a milk cow and a maid and
Speaker 3: a chef, because that's the easiest way for a bitch
Speaker 3: to get bored.
Speaker 2: Don't want another niggas here.
Speaker 3: She's going to be contemplating doing some other shit because
Speaker 3: women need to feel seen outside of motherhood. So if
Speaker 3: you think she's happy over there and you ain't sucked
Speaker 3: on a titty or put it in in a year
Speaker 3: and a half, your tripping.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. I mean I can relate
Speaker 2: to this story because when I was in my relationship.
Speaker 2: I felt super unseen and bored and unsexual. It was
Speaker 2: my fault though I was not. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: give nothing to him because I was like, nah, no thanks,
Speaker 2: I don't trust you and I'm not into it. And
Speaker 2: I remember, I knew I sought out somebody just like
Speaker 2: her who I knew. I knew I could get easily.
Speaker 2: I knew would be just enthralled just the fact that
Speaker 2: I'm in his presence. And I went and I felt
Speaker 2: good until I didn't feel good. That's another story. I
Speaker 2: recall the story, but I understand like that feeling of
Speaker 2: like excitement after having an experience like that, where you
Speaker 2: go home and you're like, damn, this is not what
Speaker 2: I signed up for. So in my opinion, I'm never
Speaker 2: gonna advocate for cheating, but do what feels good to you.
Speaker 3: But if you cheat, it's the beginning of the end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you cheat, just know it's probably the beginning of
Speaker 3: the end. I don't know how long you can't that
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't sheat that feeling. You can't undo that feeling
Speaker 2: that you're gonna get and on.
Speaker 3: Board your relationship now that you've peeked out and saw
Speaker 3: that it could be something else.
Speaker 2: You're gonna go home and be fun, or maybe you
Speaker 2: need to threaten him a little bit and tell him
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get the bitch beat.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like I've got a little you gotta
Speaker 2: make up a lie.
Speaker 3: Like you saw somebody at a store not your ex,
Speaker 3: and they were trying to hit on you, and you
Speaker 3: were like, oh damn, I still got it. Don't say
Speaker 3: you went and had dinner with your ex. Don't listen
Speaker 3: to Erica. Okay, we cannot be liable for that.
Speaker 2: I'm about transparency. Take it to the grave, daddy. What
Speaker 2: what's your what's your advice?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna tell you one thing. A man, especially,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, an alpha male.
Speaker 2: He might be cheating on you already. Sorry, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what my thought.
Speaker 5: He's sexual. I mean, you want you want some of that?
Speaker 5: I mean, and if you ain't getting it at home,
Speaker 5: not saying every guy you getting it somewhere. I mean.
Speaker 5: So I'm not saying I don't know this guy. I mean,
Speaker 5: but nine times out of ten, if you ain't having it,
Speaker 5: I mean, and most men they'll leave a woman like hey,
Speaker 5: I've told a girl before, I ain't got to get showed.
Speaker 5: You know what. You can hold it hostage, but I'm
Speaker 5: gonna give me some, you know, and they got to
Speaker 5: be yours, but I'm gonna give me some. I mean,
Speaker 5: so I don't say that, well a woman. Let me
Speaker 5: tell you something. When a woman goes and cheats, given
Speaker 5: than a man. And I say that for a couple
Speaker 5: of reasons, because a woman is a receiver. A woman,
Speaker 5: excused my mouth, is laying on her back, lord, but
Speaker 5: it is what it is. You can't get around it.
Speaker 5: A woman's laying on her back necessarily, all right. She's
Speaker 5: on her knees. She's on her knees.
Speaker 2: You could be you could be sitting on top.
Speaker 5: Mom standing, you could be on top of you, but
Speaker 5: you still you're still getting something inserted in you. And
Speaker 5: a man can always he can wipe you off, but
Speaker 5: you can never wipe a man out of you. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just that's a fact. I mean. And for a
Speaker 5: woman to cheat, like I said, women y'all cheat smarter
Speaker 5: than we do. Y'all do it. And when you cheat,
Speaker 5: you've thought about it a long time, really thought about it.
Speaker 5: Most women a good woman's gonna think about it before
Speaker 5: she just goes and goes and acts on that. And
Speaker 5: like you said, when you married and you go cheat,
Speaker 5: pretty much that relationship is pretty much you know, could
Speaker 5: be as fractured. It's done. Okay, Now you don't cheat
Speaker 5: it with this guy. Is this the guy you're gonna
Speaker 5: be with? Is that? If he is, he's got to
Speaker 5: wipe it home, because man gonna tell you what you
Speaker 5: want to hear. Oh baby, I'm so unhappy at home.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't have sex at home. I ain't
Speaker 5: getting nothing home. And then really he might be fucking
Speaker 5: the hell out of his wife, but you don't know that,
Speaker 5: you know. So he's gonna he gonna tell you what
Speaker 5: you want to hear. That's that's how men operate. That
Speaker 5: ain't changed at all. Young men and older men. They
Speaker 5: gonna tell you what you want to hear. So, like
Speaker 5: I said, when a woman goes and che she has
Speaker 5: to make the sure that this is what she wants
Speaker 5: to do and what comes along with it. I mean,
Speaker 5: because if the man leaves, Now, when you buy yourself,
Speaker 5: but vice versa, I mean that goes, that goes for
Speaker 5: man too, That goes both ways because you got a
Speaker 5: good woman and she leaves. Now you lost a good woman.
Speaker 5: And now I got to go out here and try
Speaker 5: to mess around these holes you're doing to say, you're
Speaker 5: doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: Wait, what'd you say?
Speaker 3: What was the story you said before we started about
Speaker 3: your friend who you read something and she was born?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I saw. I listened to his own TikTok,
Speaker 5: lady said. She said, let me tell you something. I
Speaker 5: listen to his damn friends of yours. She said, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell you I had. She's just just some like this, lady.
Speaker 5: I had a husband, good husband, good husband. You know,
Speaker 5: we wasn't in love like that no more. You know
Speaker 5: the sex one. You know, it was just all right.
Speaker 5: And my friends be going out and having drinks. And
Speaker 5: you need to get rid of him, to go and
Speaker 5: divorce him. She said, what do my dumb ass do.
Speaker 5: I listen to him, I go get divorced. She said,
Speaker 5: we were cool. She said, what does he do? Go
Speaker 5: buy him a brand new house, got him a nice wife.
Speaker 5: He said, you know what's happening to me? He said,
Speaker 5: These niggas out there jumping him and down on me.
Speaker 5: Now I ain't got nobody, you know, going from bed
Speaker 5: to bed. That is that what you want? Because let
Speaker 5: me tell you something, when you and your when your
Speaker 5: twenties and maybe your thirties, doing that kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: your the early thirties. But now I say you thirty five,
Speaker 5: forty years old, forty two, you use goods, you ain't
Speaker 5: finna get no good man, You ain't finna get.
Speaker 2: Bad forty two. Damn, I'm mirroring there.
Speaker 5: Listen, listen, but listen what I'm saying. I'm not finished.
Speaker 5: You've got You've got, you've got two or three kids,
Speaker 5: but sometimes two or three daddies. That's the that's the difference.
Speaker 5: You think a good you think a good quality man
Speaker 5: wants a woman with two or three kids.
Speaker 2: Maybe, just so you know, father, this podcast has a
Speaker 2: lot of moms saying that perhaps that story right now,
Speaker 2: and I think it's Valentine and I'm here to tell you, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: you bitch, listen. Don't listen to him. He don't know.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to him.
Speaker 3: Plenty of bitches five men with two three kids. Plenty
Speaker 3: bitches get married with two three kids.
Speaker 5: You know what? I agree with that, Jamila, that's true.
Speaker 5: But how rare is that that's a rarity that doesn't
Speaker 5: happen every day. I mean, that just doesn't. That's like,
Speaker 5: that's like a woman dating a guy with no legs.
Speaker 5: It's a rarity that he gets a beautiful white a
Speaker 5: woman that that happens.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's as rare as you think. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's just rare to your circle.
Speaker 5: No it's not. It's rare to a good quality man,
Speaker 5: or a good quality that.
Speaker 2: Same quality man might also have two to three kids.
Speaker 5: Okay, now, now that's what I was gonna say. Do
Speaker 5: you think do you think a hot woman.
Speaker 2: You know, like Kevin Samiel's right?
Speaker 5: Now, Hey, I'm just saying what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, you know I'm not you know what I'm
Speaker 5: talking from from from from man experience. I'm not talking
Speaker 5: about why somebody told me. I'm telling what I know.
Speaker 5: I mean, even though a high valued woman woman this
Speaker 5: guy got it going on, got her own house, her
Speaker 5: own job, making her own money. You know, she she'd
Speaker 5: like you. But you got four different four baby mamas.
Speaker 5: I'm doing it, thank you. What would you do you like?
Speaker 2: I'm not saying baby mom, I'm saying, like, even okay,
Speaker 2: whether you have, However many.
Speaker 5: I'm putting on a man chap. I'm saying, a man,
Speaker 5: I'm let me ask your question, would you was you
Speaker 5: rather the man with no kids or even one kid,
Speaker 5: but posted a man with three? How about that with
Speaker 5: no kids? A post a man with three kids. You go,
Speaker 5: that's the difference. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with a woman having children. I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that nothing at all. It's good women out there
Speaker 5: with keep don't take this wrong. It's some really good
Speaker 5: women out there that have two kids, sometimes three kids.
Speaker 5: But men, good quality men, you know, they want that
Speaker 5: new product, they want that new one.
Speaker 3: This is I'm not saying that this is not true,
Speaker 3: but I do think that it is true because society
Speaker 3: has built this, this programming that says that if women
Speaker 3: have multiple children and they move up out of a relationship,
Speaker 3: whether we're standing when they were getting that dick, if
Speaker 3: they're on their knees or on their back, they society
Speaker 3: tells us and tells men that women are less valuable
Speaker 3: after they've had kids, whereas men, Hella, men have two
Speaker 3: three kids with two three fucking baby mamas, and they
Speaker 3: marry when they fucking fifty and nobody.
Speaker 2: Wants they washed out bass anymore.
Speaker 5: But you don't.
Speaker 3: That's a social construct. I do believe, as there's women
Speaker 3: out there listening, I think a part of it has
Speaker 3: to be your mindset. If you believe that no one's
Speaker 3: gonna want you, that's what's gonna happen. But if you speak,
Speaker 3: and if you feel, and if you're confident, and also
Speaker 3: don't wait on these niggas, like if you're not happy,
Speaker 3: that's one thing, but don't don't leave a relationship in
Speaker 3: hopes that you're gonna come get swooped up by Superman,
Speaker 3: like you know, like you, I don't think anybody, man
Speaker 3: or female, should be their whole life's obsession should be
Speaker 3: necessarily partnership. I agree, And I think when you let
Speaker 3: that go and you accept you're the shit with or
Speaker 3: without a nigga or a bitch, with or with the
Speaker 3: two baby daddies or four baby daddies or whatever amount
Speaker 3: of kids you have accumulated. Because life be life, and
Speaker 3: if you know you're valuable, then you'll attract what's valuable.
Speaker 3: But if you think that there's no one out here
Speaker 3: and you're not valuable and you believe the lie and
Speaker 3: you eat the fucking pill, then you're not gonna find nobody.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'll say this to you. I'll say this when
Speaker 5: I was in my twenties, say, in my twenties playing football,
Speaker 5: and I met girls that had kids, and I met
Speaker 5: girls who didn't have kids, and I and I'm sure
Speaker 5: this has not changed, stealed the girls with the kids nice.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think a two girl, really nice girl,
Speaker 5: would have kids. I knew I wouldn't. That wouldn't going
Speaker 5: no well with me. For a fact. The girl they
Speaker 5: didn't have a kid, that had a that had a
Speaker 5: chance for sure. I mean, it's nothing against the one.
Speaker 2: Because this point, did you have a kid?
Speaker 5: I had no kids. I didn't have air, he says
Speaker 5: to my twin, I didn't have no kids.
Speaker 3: I mean, which is fair if you don't have kids
Speaker 3: and they don't have kids, and you want to experience
Speaker 3: that for the first time with somebody, that's a valid
Speaker 3: that's what I'm not dating.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that this narrative is true because
Speaker 2: I've experienced it on the other I've been on the
Speaker 2: other side of that where a man literally told me
Speaker 2: he's not going to date me because I'm over thirty.
Speaker 2: I think I was like thirty three or something. I'm
Speaker 2: like over thirty one or something, and I have a kid,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't he said it to me. I was like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I was like, why are you happened?
Speaker 2: But why do you keep going out to dinner with me?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm great, right, I'm grateful that he did
Speaker 2: because you know, he didn't waste my time, you know,
Speaker 2: but nice with a nice white woman. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that, Okay, let's say I
Speaker 5: do date to say I date the girl with the kids.
Speaker 5: Say I do date a girl with two kids, and
Speaker 5: we together and we have a nice relationship going we
Speaker 5: break up, all right, I have no offic and I've
Speaker 5: loved those kids. Now my bond with the kid, these
Speaker 5: my mama, These my kids. You can't tell me to do
Speaker 5: my kids. But I love I don't want you to
Speaker 5: see my kids no more. That's something. Then you tell me.
Speaker 2: A fact that all that's all.
Speaker 5: That's a fact. All that comes into the factor when
Speaker 5: you when you're talking about dating somebody, even a woman
Speaker 5: dating a man with a kid, it's the same thing
Speaker 5: because women are motherly. They meet a little girl, you
Speaker 5: got a little boy, and like, oh, I just love
Speaker 5: your little boy live and all of a sudden you
Speaker 5: break up with the girl. But she wants to see them.
Speaker 5: She wants to see the little boy. Little girl. Now
Speaker 5: you got a new girlfriend. I don't want that to
Speaker 5: be seeing me. That ain't coming over here, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still friends with two of your axes
Speaker 2: from childhood. She one I ain't. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if you're talking to them no more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which one? Uh?
Speaker 2: The only black woman I've ever saw you date?
Speaker 5: Know?
Speaker 2: Two? Well two of actually three only seen your day
Speaker 2: two black women me physically with my own eyes.
Speaker 5: I did a lot of women, tell you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's what I'm saying. But I'm just saying
Speaker 2: the two that I know of, and then your your
Speaker 2: ex fiance. Yeah, those those three, those are three ones
Speaker 2: that I say that Holly.
Speaker 5: Holly, I did. I did it, Holly for a long time,
Speaker 5: I did it. You didn't know when I did. I
Speaker 5: did Monique, I did a girl name run, I mean
Speaker 5: I did. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Monique, Holly and Sarah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I dated I dated. I did just I had
Speaker 5: the spectrum. I mean I didn't. I wouldn't expect I did.
Speaker 5: I didn't go look look like, oh she got to
Speaker 5: be white, blonde, blue. I mean that I'm not in
Speaker 5: I never really into the blonde thing. But you know
Speaker 5: when I hit it, Yeah, if you're good looking, I like,
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes the dark hair. You know, my my girl,
Speaker 5: now she got red hair. I mean I was never
Speaker 5: in the red hair. But you know, good person, I'm beautiful.
Speaker 5: I mean, so it's not what you might set out
Speaker 5: to date an Asian girl and wind up with a
Speaker 5: black woman.
Speaker 2: That you may set out to date a woman who
Speaker 2: has no kids. And then I say that all to
Speaker 2: say is that, like, yeah, it is true that like
Speaker 2: those women developed a relationship with me, and it was
Speaker 2: heartbreaking for them on the other side of that, not
Speaker 2: being a man in dating a woman with children, but
Speaker 2: as a woman dating a man with children, for them
Speaker 2: to now be like, oh, I guess I can't be
Speaker 2: in this person's life anymore, you know, And so and.
Speaker 5: Holly still talks to see how to still talks about.
Speaker 2: You your best friends to this stay, I think to
Speaker 2: like just going back to this question, this this bad
Speaker 2: choice before we move on. I think that, like so often,
Speaker 2: will number to go back to this question and to
Speaker 2: what you said about this TikTok. People getting advice from
Speaker 2: people that are not in relationships that I haven't been
Speaker 2: in relationships that I have never really been in healthy relationships,
Speaker 2: I think is rarely can be dangerous and something that
Speaker 2: I thought about recently too, like asking people for asking
Speaker 2: advice from friends who I haven't seen in healthy relationships,
Speaker 2: or like the other day I needed advice, I was like,
Speaker 2: who do I call? I called my married friend. I
Speaker 2: was like, one who's been married for a long time,
Speaker 2: that is a seasoned parent. I was like, I need
Speaker 2: to ask her because she's been through this before. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to ask somebody who like, is new in
Speaker 2: a relationship and and maybe is just in a season
Speaker 2: of finally feeling safe in her relationship. And then secondly,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of relationships end because we as
Speaker 2: men and women haven't been taught how to communicate. We
Speaker 2: haven't been taught how to really communicate our needs. We
Speaker 2: think that we're communicating our needs, but we're not speaking
Speaker 2: the language of our partner, or we're not putting into
Speaker 2: practice the things we say we're going to change, Like
Speaker 2: we'd be like, oh yeah, yea, yeah, okay, we're gonna try,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do that, and then we don't. So then
Speaker 2: now we're back washing dishes, we're back feeding the kids,
Speaker 2: and he's back not fucking his girl. You know. Like
Speaker 2: I think that there's like a like a commitment beyond
Speaker 2: just that we're married, like the commitment of like there
Speaker 2: will be seasons where there might be a five year
Speaker 2: stint where like we are not happy, but do we
Speaker 2: need to leave each other or is there space for
Speaker 2: us to figure something like figure it out. But a
Speaker 2: lot of times people don't figure it out because they
Speaker 2: don't have the tools. They don't have the like they
Speaker 2: don't know what to do or what to say. And
Speaker 2: so then that relationship is over and now you're out
Speaker 2: in a new relationship and your husband is now buying
Speaker 2: a house for a new wife and is happily married.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean think about it is when you got
Speaker 5: you need a certain age. It's like a fifty five
Speaker 5: or sixty ye old woman trying to get out there
Speaker 5: and date. It's it's difficult. I mean, you can you can,
Speaker 5: you can say what you want to say, because an
Speaker 5: older man can get younger women and that's just acceptable.
Speaker 5: If you saw you not every older man, but but
Speaker 5: a lot of older men can. If you see a
Speaker 5: if you see a seventy five year old woman with
Speaker 5: a thirty five year old you're like, damn, what that
Speaker 5: looks stupid? Look crazy? I mean it really would.
Speaker 2: I see a seventy five year old man.
Speaker 5: But an older man with a young woman, it might
Speaker 5: look crazy, but you know the deal. Now that you
Speaker 5: know the deal, I mean, and that's just that's fine.
Speaker 5: I mean you might not want to believe it or
Speaker 5: say it's right or whatever, but that's just just how
Speaker 5: that's how the world is. And it's always been like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, men, an older man can get
Speaker 5: a younger woman. I mean, and it's not a lot
Speaker 5: of You say you got an older man and he's say,
Speaker 5: like me, all right, I'm fifteen years old. In penny,
Speaker 5: I'm fifteen years old than her. I mean, and I'm
Speaker 5: just in good shape as she is. I mean, she's
Speaker 5: in great shape. I mean. But now you say you
Speaker 5: got a woman that's say sixty five, and she got
Speaker 5: a thirty five year old, that's gonna look really odd.
Speaker 5: It really. I mean, you can say what you want
Speaker 5: to say, but you know, even women gonna say, what
Speaker 5: is that old man doing with that young woman? Man
Speaker 5: that don't do that young man? Women say it. I mean, so.
Speaker 2: Maybe that young that older woman got some money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's where it comes down on the other side.
Speaker 5: But not always, but a lot most of the time.
Speaker 5: That's it. That is it. Women. Women, women, they want
Speaker 5: security and a lot of young men don't know how
Speaker 5: to treat a woman. First. When a young guy, like
Speaker 5: a young and not twenty twenty one year old, let's
Speaker 5: go to McDonald let's go to In and Out like what, well,
Speaker 5: an older man, let's say you twenty one and you
Speaker 5: got a man that's say thirty two years old, and
Speaker 5: he said, hey, we're gonna I'm gonna you know, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna take you to Hawaii this weekend. What I've never
Speaker 5: been to. My god, you know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: this guy is doing like I've never had this because
Speaker 5: he's he knows how I'm gonna take you to Martin's.
Speaker 5: I'm not taking you to In and Out. I'm not
Speaker 5: taking you to the Steak and Shape. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: taking you to to Larcen's. You know, I'm gonna take
Speaker 5: you to a place on the beach. That is the
Speaker 5: difference between an older man with some class and a
Speaker 5: young and it's nothing wrong, but cause you're young. You
Speaker 5: know allis was young. I mean I didn't know how
Speaker 5: to tip. Ain't no dan, he's supposed to tip people.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that. It's just you learn when you
Speaker 5: get older. You and women. A woman they like that
Speaker 5: by wow, he just oh he makes me feel so safe,
Speaker 5: you know, I just I just love that about him. Well,
Speaker 5: you got this this nigger over here. You're talking about
Speaker 5: taking me the damn dock in the box, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 5: damn jacking the box time I want to go out
Speaker 5: to eat the dinner. That's the difference.
Speaker 3: As a young woman who really appreciated all the old
Speaker 3: men that I dated and took me to the more
Speaker 3: insign not to McDonald's. I will say, the old men
Speaker 3: really know how to love on you. They really know
Speaker 3: how to talk you up and tell you nice things,
Speaker 3: and they will take you out. But I think in
Speaker 3: this conversation where we're lacking, it's like there may be
Speaker 3: a five year sent in your marriage or relationship that's
Speaker 3: boring or you're going through shit and you have to
Speaker 3: pour back into it. But I always ask him these instances,
Speaker 3: like this question, was he boring in the beginning? Like
Speaker 3: bitches settle you early, so like if it's not what
Speaker 3: you wanted to be at thirty or twenty five, don't
Speaker 3: wait till you're fifty five to.
Speaker 2: Get up out the motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Like if the nigga's that fucking you, if he wasn't
Speaker 3: fucking you the first year, why did we stay? I
Speaker 3: think this is the more important question, Like it's not
Speaker 3: about like people will be bored.
Speaker 2: I always ask.
Speaker 3: Even with men, like oh my wife, they'll give me.
Speaker 3: This is obviously someone specific. He told me it's recently
Speaker 3: with that, And I was like, well, did she ever
Speaker 3: fuck you? Like he's like yeah at the beginning, But
Speaker 3: I'm like, so what happened? There was something that happened.
Speaker 3: Did you stop fucking her because she became the mother
Speaker 3: of all these children? Like if the nigga never had
Speaker 3: any intellect and never really like aroused your mind, why
Speaker 3: are you surprised now? Of course you are looking the
Speaker 3: other way because.
Speaker 2: You're not being aroused. You settled, don't settle.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, and then ten years from now be like,
Speaker 3: damn should I go, Like, don't waste people's time.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that people too are like like, if
Speaker 2: you're young, when you start dating someone, your interests might
Speaker 2: be might have been aligned at that time. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and then you evolve as a
Speaker 2: person and you realize that you need other types of
Speaker 2: stimulation Like that also happens. It's like there's so many
Speaker 2: there's so many different layers to why and how.
Speaker 3: I also don't think anyone should get married or really
Speaker 3: be in a relationship before thirty, Like, no one should
Speaker 3: be married or really be a relationship before thirty because
Speaker 3: who the fuck are you before thirty? Like maybe thirty
Speaker 3: five for real?
Speaker 2: For real. Well, my dad always told me he would
Speaker 2: never be married ever my whole life. He said that
Speaker 2: all the time, Like not my thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just I mean, I'm not saying ever.
Speaker 2: Since Judy Tillman broke his heart broke my home seventh grade,
Speaker 2: back when the story Judy was waiting by the phone
Speaker 2: for Judy to call.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about this because this is the thing
Speaker 3: with men. I see this all the time. Men can't
Speaker 3: get over the first man can't get over the first heartbreak.
Speaker 3: They can't get over seeing the auntie or the grandma
Speaker 3: cheat Like they can't see no, like if you've seen
Speaker 3: ho shit or what you perceive is hoo shit as
Speaker 3: a as a young adult, or you got your heart broken.
Speaker 2: In high school.
Speaker 3: They don't think bitches are hosts forever, Like, don't let
Speaker 3: the bitch in the seventh grade cheat on him. He's like,
Speaker 3: bitches his home since till her fifty. I see this
Speaker 3: all the time. I'm like, my nigga, she was also
Speaker 3: in seventh grade. Her hormones were raging, Like, what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about? I see this. I just have
Speaker 2: a data guy who's like, yeah, my aunt cheated on
Speaker 2: her man. You don't know what that man did to her.
Speaker 2: Live You're fucking leave your aunt out of this. My
Speaker 2: excell and his daddy is the woman of the night.
Speaker 2: It's literally, men have this one. This is the problem
Speaker 2: with the patriarchy.
Speaker 3: The problem with the patriarchy is they feed you this
Speaker 3: bullshit about women being hose and laying on their back
Speaker 3: and you not a hope, but she a hoe and
Speaker 3: you she can't have kids, but you can have kids
Speaker 3: and then you see that one thing that you think
Speaker 3: is whole shit when you're in the tenth grade, and
Speaker 3: you can never recover from it, because to men, the
Speaker 3: worst thing you can have is a whole. Even though
Speaker 3: they all love hose, it's very confusing. I love the hose,
Speaker 3: but they won't marry them.
Speaker 5: But you say you love the hose, but you don't
Speaker 5: marry that's if that's it.
Speaker 2: But then they cheat on their wives with the hose.
Speaker 2: So it's just it's just this weird cycle.
Speaker 5: But I think, but that don't mean the one you
Speaker 5: cheating as a hoe. I mean because he cheated with you,
Speaker 5: that she might not, she might have done this before.
Speaker 5: I mean, hoe is different to me. The hose is
Speaker 5: you know, a hoe doing something you're paying or you know,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, I know the difference. I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess I've been out there. Man, I've seen them too.
Speaker 5: I've seen them lot. Trust me and my playing pro
Speaker 5: football doing the things I've done. I mean, I've done
Speaker 5: nothing like I'm really like, oh, I'm a shaming I
Speaker 5: did that? No, I mean, but I know how men think.
Speaker 5: I mean, men don't want they don't want no girl
Speaker 5: that everybody's ran through. I'm sorry women, think if you,
Speaker 5: if you tell it people, I will never forget. I
Speaker 5: want to play. Get this girl, I want to play.
Speaker 5: We're going to we're going through one of the vegas
Speaker 5: some kind of way that the topic came up of sex.
Speaker 5: And she was twenty two years old. We'll never forget this.
Speaker 5: And I don't know how I say. I said, how many?
Speaker 5: How many guys you've been with? I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know how to how we have it? How
Speaker 5: was worded? And she said she was twenty two. She
Speaker 5: said she been able to with forty men. My mind went, funny, man,
Speaker 5: if I could have had the thing over my head,
Speaker 5: I'm like, fudy, I'm like, that's so at that point,
Speaker 5: I hadn't had funny women. I don't think. I'm like
Speaker 5: if I did, so what I'm like, I swear, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: hell no, I can't get rid of this a whole hell.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I'm saying. I see girls say
Speaker 5: I've been with one hundred and fifty guys.
Speaker 2: Got say, what that's the problem? How is relative? Is
Speaker 2: it twenty? Is it one? Who? Like I needed? Where's
Speaker 2: the wizard holekeeper that says your age.
Speaker 3: There a whole calculator dot com.
Speaker 2: We might need to make that.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what man. Men may take. They may
Speaker 5: take the number eight, they may take the number ten,
Speaker 5: guys eight, whatever, but they ain't They're not going to
Speaker 5: go No. Thirty forty fifty. I mean think about that.
Speaker 5: You think about what I just said. You're a woman.
Speaker 5: How about we line up fifty guys outside. You've been
Speaker 5: fifty men and let all fifty of them come in
Speaker 5: at one time.
Speaker 2: That's not reality, reality how it happens.
Speaker 5: But reality is you. You're twenty some years old, you
Speaker 5: have fucked forty men, and you think that all right,
Speaker 5: you walk into a room.
Speaker 2: Well, I also, okay, this is just like the I
Speaker 2: have to put on my like you know, like my
Speaker 2: feminist and protecting a woman.
Speaker 5: How I got you. I'm a man, I'm protect me.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of times the women that have who
Speaker 2: are sharing their bodies in this way, it's for like,
Speaker 2: it's because there's something that's happened. It's not just because
Speaker 2: they just like fucking. It's there's a dissociation that's happening.
Speaker 2: There's a numbing that's happening. There's a there's something that
Speaker 2: they're trying to fill, not just their whole, like something else,
Speaker 2: you know, and and it's it's not it's typically not
Speaker 2: just black and white, like she woke up and was
Speaker 2: birthed a hoe, you know, like and a lot of times,
Speaker 2: guess whose fault it was, daddy's a sometimes it is, Yes,
Speaker 2: it was daddy's fault, and it was a man's fault
Speaker 2: as to why where she felt unprotected And now this
Speaker 2: is how she shares herself. So it's not always just oh,
Speaker 2: she's just a hoe that hole over there, like, No,
Speaker 2: there's things that have happened, and we have to have
Speaker 2: more empathy and sympathy for this person. And I do
Speaker 2: believe that a whole can turn into a housewife.
Speaker 5: I don't They can turn into a housewife. You can
Speaker 5: turn to, but you're not gonna take a real hole
Speaker 5: that's like for like for the streets. And turns out
Speaker 5: she can do that. It can happen. But I'm gonna
Speaker 5: tell you that that stigma is going to follow her
Speaker 5: for the rest of her life. And nobody may know it,
Speaker 5: but the guys who saw her and knew her back then,
Speaker 5: And I could be eighty five years old. Boy, that
Speaker 5: was like my Grandfa said, that was a big old
Speaker 5: hole over there. You know so and so is.
Speaker 3: Now they got cameras and videos. Tell the kids get
Speaker 3: the fuck off those cameras, these cameras.
Speaker 5: Because when I did stuff, it was no cameras and video.
Speaker 5: You can say, man, you should have been the you
Speaker 5: should have saw it. But now you go back, you
Speaker 5: can pull it up. You know, look at you. That's
Speaker 5: your grandma, man, look at her to this what she
Speaker 5: look at little man, that's your grandma. Man, Look at
Speaker 5: your grandma was fine when she was young. I mean
Speaker 5: that's the problem. All this stuff. You can see it
Speaker 5: now back in the day, you have to just imagine it.
Speaker 5: So hey, like I said me, I'm just a real nigga.
Speaker 5: So still young, but I mean I'm old, but I'm
Speaker 5: still still real nigga. I'm still that same guy.
Speaker 2: You do have a point.
Speaker 3: A lot of times, the non present daddies are are
Speaker 3: are breeding women who have abandonment issues and are seeking
Speaker 3: love and validation through their pussy because of lack of
Speaker 3: guidance because they don't have they don't know, they don't
Speaker 3: have the tools. They're just filling a void because they're
Speaker 3: wanting something emotional to be filled, but they're filling it
Speaker 3: with physicality. And as a father of two daughters, one
Speaker 3: of which, did you feel like you've experienced that at
Speaker 3: all in high school because of that that beginning rough
Speaker 3: patch with your father's relationship. Do you feel like in
Speaker 3: that in your high school or college years that you
Speaker 3: found validation?
Speaker 2: And of course I've talked about it. I've talked about
Speaker 2: my promiscuity and my I had sex early, like I,
Speaker 2: I lost my virginity when I was thirteen.
Speaker 3: Did you think that that like, I mean, I understand too,
Speaker 3: because me too. But did you feel like that was
Speaker 3: replacing something or like filling that void like that male
Speaker 3: that male attention you know always.
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't think that I realized then,
Speaker 2: but now as an adult looking back on that, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's why I said. That's why I'm saying I have
Speaker 2: to put that hat on because as someone whose father
Speaker 2: wasn't around much when I was a child, and I
Speaker 2: didn't have male guidance. Besides, the male that was in
Speaker 2: my household didn't take on that role of father with me.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't know anything about men. I just
Speaker 2: knew that men paid attention to me, or boys paid
Speaker 2: attention to me. I always got attention from boys. I
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with that. There was no
Speaker 2: one saying like, don't do that. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not this. This feeling is unfamiliar and it feels good.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go. I'm gonna lead. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with that. And I remember I remember in high
Speaker 2: school someone calling me a hope and I've been like
Speaker 2: and being like, oh shit, am I hope? Really? Huh?
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like these are things that boys say
Speaker 2: to girls, no matter what you can with one guy.
Speaker 2: Everybody know what I mean. But we know as women,
Speaker 2: as young girls, we know what that word does to us.
Speaker 2: We know what that means to us, especially at that
Speaker 2: age when our reputation is just beginning and we feel like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can I delete my wholes? Like
Speaker 2: oh shit, Like I actually I didn't know that was
Speaker 2: your friend from the you know, the high school down
Speaker 2: the way, you know, And now I'm a hoe because
Speaker 2: I slept at you and I slept at you, and
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm a hoe now, you know. And
Speaker 2: you know I think that I've had to have a
Speaker 2: journey of like how I experience men in my life.
Speaker 2: And it didn't just end in high school like it
Speaker 2: ended in probably when we began this show and we
Speaker 2: started talking about our dating life, and we were very
Speaker 2: open about having casual sex and dating and being like
Speaker 2: I don't like kind of being like a nigga, Like
Speaker 2: I don't really give a fuck about that man. I'm
Speaker 2: about to go have fun and whatever, Like I'm dating
Speaker 2: five people at one time, and whoever is gonna be
Speaker 2: the man that's for me is gonna be the man
Speaker 2: for me. But I've had to come into my own
Speaker 2: realization and my own self respect around how I share
Speaker 2: my body. Now do I like? Have people called me
Speaker 2: a hoe for talking? I've been called a hole in
Speaker 2: so many different ways talking about sex on the internet.
Speaker 2: I've been did not people have stopped dating me because
Speaker 2: of how I talk about my sex life on the internet.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think that word is relative. And
Speaker 2: as your daughter as someone who has been called that,
Speaker 2: and I don't identify as necessarily like, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't take on that energy because I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: view hoe as like I know that there's like levels
Speaker 2: levels to.
Speaker 5: This, ship, levels to this I'm saying levels, But I.
Speaker 2: Think that like a lot oftentimes women that are experiencing
Speaker 2: exploring their freedom and their and their sexuality in similar
Speaker 2: ways that men do. Oftentimes, Yeah, we're labeled a hoe
Speaker 2: and we're trying to figure it out, just like y'all
Speaker 2: are trying to figure it out. And we're not given
Speaker 2: the same amount of grades, so we're not given him
Speaker 2: out of that forgiveness and we have now we wear
Speaker 2: this hoe jacket no matter where we go. You know,
Speaker 2: that nigga from fifty years ago is on the porch
Speaker 2: and he's calling me a hoe when I've probably like
Speaker 2: a haven't slept with anybody in thirty years or maybe
Speaker 2: been married for forty years, but somehow that has still
Speaker 2: is still carrying on with me because this person knew
Speaker 2: me in high school and I slept with a few
Speaker 2: of his homies. You know. Like, I just think that
Speaker 2: it's we have to give each other more grace and forgiveness.
Speaker 2: And like Dad, I know you come from a certain
Speaker 2: time I do, and you know you feel how you
Speaker 2: feel and that's and that's fair. I just think that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like as some as as a now as a mother
Speaker 2: who is who has a daughter, and I think about,
Speaker 2: you know, irie she's turning eleven and entering into this
Speaker 2: space of starting to like boys and her friends starting
Speaker 2: to like boys, and just like you know, again like
Speaker 2: not wanting to repeat history because you know, I am
Speaker 2: a single mom in some capacity, and her dad is aroundish,
Speaker 2: you know, more so than I would say maybe you
Speaker 2: were at that age for me. But I don't know
Speaker 2: the type of conversations that he's having with her about boys,
Speaker 2: probably none at all. I don't know what kind of
Speaker 2: like how she views him and how that's going to
Speaker 2: uh like reflect how what kind of boys or men
Speaker 2: that she chooses. I know, for me, I've historically chosen
Speaker 2: men that are very alpha like you, that are very
Speaker 2: like that people have high regard for, that kind of
Speaker 2: like people are scared of sometimes, you know, like I
Speaker 2: generally like the man who I'm talking about essentially not
Speaker 2: all the time, but yes, yes, and and that has
Speaker 2: not served me well.
Speaker 3: If you were gonna give a young lady advice who's
Speaker 3: listening right now, who may be at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the twenties journey, the beginning of the whole journey, because
Speaker 3: it's usually starts around sixteen if for me or like,
Speaker 3: and you know, it took us all these years to
Speaker 3: talk literally out loud in public and to each other
Speaker 3: to kind of come to the conclusion that, you know,
Speaker 3: like we've gone extreme, like been mannished and said, fuck y'all,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what you do and I'm gonna do that,
Speaker 3: and like we've come to this other you know, like.
Speaker 2: Would we say hope first, heal later, heal first, hold later.
Speaker 3: That's our motto, heal first, hold later, whereas we hold
Speaker 3: first and we healed later. But what advice would you
Speaker 3: give to a young woman who's maybe listening, who maybe
Speaker 3: doesn't have her father in her life or has that
Speaker 3: attention and maybe hasn't equated that that yet to avoid
Speaker 3: ten years of hotem?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what advice would I give to a young woman
Speaker 2: who who doesn't have a father in her life and
Speaker 2: needs to avoid the hotem yeah.
Speaker 3: Or maybe or hasn't gone through the full journey yet.
Speaker 3: Like if you could give advice that wouldn't have to
Speaker 3: take two elves to fifteen years to get to the
Speaker 3: point where we've figured out that we should have healed
Speaker 3: first and hold later and probably not hold first and
Speaker 3: healed later.
Speaker 2: What would you say? You don't you know why I can't.
Speaker 2: I could give advice, but I also know that girls
Speaker 2: that age don't fucking listen, you know, Like I could.
Speaker 6: Say, like love yourself, like maybe if you can go
Speaker 6: see the college counselor you know, like or just like
Speaker 6: look at yourself and your body and masturbate for you.
Speaker 6: Like I can say all those things, and you should
Speaker 6: maybe do those things. But ultimately, like you know, maybe
Speaker 6: this conversation is helpful, but ultimately, like they're gonna your
Speaker 6: girls that age, there was nothing, absolutely nothing that you
Speaker 6: could have told me.
Speaker 2: I thought I was grown at sixteen. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: know I know you felt the same way too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was just talking to my dad about my
Speaker 2: sister and saying, like, when you're at a certain age,
Speaker 2: like there's really like there's a I feel like there
Speaker 2: comes a time in every young woman's life where she
Speaker 2: rebels against her parents, and sometimes it happens later and
Speaker 2: sometimes it happens earlier. For me, it was my teens,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, you can't tell me shit, mom,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you no. And that went on for a while,
Speaker 2: you know, so like I could sit here and put
Speaker 2: my aunts he had on, but ultimately, like you're you
Speaker 2: have to figure your shit out. You have to figure
Speaker 2: it out. And ultimately, like sometimes it might take that
Speaker 2: boy calling you a hoe for you to be like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, wait what am I doing? Hold on? But
Speaker 2: what does it din't feel good? You know, you have
Speaker 2: to know what feels good to you? Does it feel
Speaker 2: good to you? Do you feel good after you leave?
Speaker 2: Do you feel good after you've had that that interaction?
Speaker 2: Because I know for me, when I was younger and
Speaker 2: I was exploring sex and stuff, like generally I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel good afterwards. I felt sad because he
Speaker 2: didn't call me, or like he didn't text me enough,
Speaker 2: or like now he's flirting with my friend, you know,
Speaker 2: and so you know, so like go with how you feel.
Speaker 2: If it doesn't feel good, then fucking stop. How about that?
Speaker 2: Because I didn't all the time. I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: well let me try again, like actually love me like
Speaker 2: me please? Well that's it. I think that's that's what
Speaker 2: a lot of us do.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, what we've kind of programmed to do
Speaker 3: is like convince convince someone to love me, or like
Speaker 3: maybe like there's a level of like I'm going to
Speaker 3: make you see my worth versus having the worth and
Speaker 3: saying fuck that. You know that didn't feel good, But
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you're absolutely right, because probably nobody could
Speaker 3: have told me shit.
Speaker 2: I'm sure many people try to tell me shit and
Speaker 2: I was like fuck you.
Speaker 3: So it is like a trial and error that you
Speaker 3: have to go through on your own. I do feel
Speaker 3: like this younger generation is like more deep, and they're
Speaker 3: more like I'm want to breathe and stuff effect, and
Speaker 3: then I'm a masturbate because I know those words from
Speaker 3: the Internet.
Speaker 2: So like maybe we're just we're just in the we
Speaker 2: have a lot more information. Yeah, we didn't have We
Speaker 2: didn't we had our friends giving us advice. Horrible, we
Speaker 2: had fourteen year olds telling us advice.
Speaker 3: I was I was reading the coldest winter ever and
Speaker 3: wanting to do home shit.
Speaker 2: Now I can look out a carousel and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's smart. I shouldn't do that. Yep, Nope, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: do that. I can look at a TikTok and be like,
Speaker 2: oh damn, that's a horror story. I really don't want
Speaker 2: to do that. Whereas before, like you didn't. We didn't
Speaker 2: have those. So I think luckily like our kids and
Speaker 2: the kids you know younger than them have it's like
Speaker 2: a double edged sword. It's like they have two much information,
Speaker 2: but then they have a lot of information where they
Speaker 2: can actually decide and what they want in a more
Speaker 2: clear way when it comes to that. So, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: my advice.
Speaker 5: Okay, well I'll say this much here. You're right, I
Speaker 5: was not around a lot because of me and your
Speaker 5: mother's just me and your mother's situation, and that was
Speaker 5: a lot of it was for me on me, you know,
Speaker 5: just my immaturity as a as a young man, an athlete,
Speaker 5: you know, doing that, and you know I didn't I
Speaker 5: didn't see the responsibility factor. And then I won't forget
Speaker 5: my mother. Byola, your grandmother told me, she said, she said,
Speaker 5: that's not that baby's fault. I said, that's you and
Speaker 5: man's fault. She didn't ask to be here, you know,
Speaker 5: but you couldn't tell me that. I mean, and I've
Speaker 5: told young guys just before. I said, man, look, I
Speaker 5: know you you hate the mom and all that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff, but it'll come a time where you regret
Speaker 5: not spending time with your daughter. I said, oh, your son,
Speaker 5: I said, it just it just happens. I say, all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, it's if you if you're a real
Speaker 5: human being and want to be a good person, I say,
Speaker 5: you will have a lot of regrets. And I have
Speaker 5: a lot. I have a lot of regrets with that,
Speaker 5: but I have you know, I can't. I can't do
Speaker 5: it over and don't do over us. I like to
Speaker 5: do is apologize for for me not being there at
Speaker 5: those in those in those crucial times. And yeah, you
Speaker 5: you did need a dad, you did need a role model.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of these girls they don't
Speaker 5: have that, but some of them, you know, some of
Speaker 5: them do have that, and they still do do the
Speaker 5: things they do. It's like it's like the preacher's daughter,
Speaker 5: the preacher's son. You know, they usually the wildest ones.
Speaker 2: That's because they're repressed, but still they got a moment
Speaker 2: that they still got a mom and dad.
Speaker 5: So you can use that excuse. They can use that excuse.
Speaker 5: I well, you know, I'm impressed or you know, my
Speaker 5: dad held me back, you know, but it is what
Speaker 5: it is. But I still say the same thing. You know,
Speaker 5: as a as a woman, you know your your body
Speaker 5: has value to a man. You want a woman that
Speaker 5: that hasn't been used up. I mean, look, when you're young,
Speaker 5: we do a lot of things, all of us, you know,
Speaker 5: and I'm not you know, women being I mean I
Speaker 5: get it, but you can't keep doing the same thing
Speaker 5: when you get twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine the
Speaker 5: level of responsibility. But you still have women doing that,
Speaker 5: especially today, because you see it on the internet. I
Speaker 5: mean things they probably did it back then, but we
Speaker 5: didn't see it. You know, you see it. It's certain
Speaker 5: things you can't unsee. It's things that I'm sure some
Speaker 5: girls have done on these podcast on these on these
Speaker 5: Twitter and all that kind of stuff that now they
Speaker 5: have kids and they're like, wow, I wish I wouldn't
Speaker 5: have did that. I wish I want to post it
Speaker 5: myself doing that because my kids, my kids friends see that.
Speaker 5: You know, little boys see that, other little girls see that,
Speaker 5: other parents see that. And like, you're not trying to
Speaker 5: get admission from anyone else, but you got to feel
Speaker 5: good about something you do. And that's what it comes
Speaker 5: down to. Do I feel good about myself. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's I can tell you from even the man, you know,
Speaker 5: we do stuff you sleep with a girl like, man,
Speaker 5: what the hell was I doing that for my I mean,
Speaker 5: just we have regrets too, but we're men. I mean,
Speaker 5: and I'll say it again, I mean, I mean to
Speaker 5: be disrespectful. We can wipe y'all off. You can't wipe
Speaker 5: us off.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen It's funny because we were talking
Speaker 5: about now then I saw it. I saw it on
Speaker 5: the internet where you can have a guy that's just
Speaker 5: dated a girl, say dated, she dated a couple of
Speaker 5: guys and it was one guy she she was within
Speaker 5: ten years. She was that number ten years and she
Speaker 5: but she married Tom over here. But damn, that baby
Speaker 5: looked just like Bill, you know, even though it's his baby,
Speaker 5: but she looked just like him because his DNA is
Speaker 5: still in her. That that's that's one of the things.
Speaker 5: I mean. So you have to think about all that
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, and I know that's that's deep. But
Speaker 5: you a young kid, a young girl, a young boy,
Speaker 5: you're not thinking about all that kind of that's not
Speaker 5: stuff you're thinking about the moment. Man, Man, I want
Speaker 5: to do this. I want to get a girl like,
Speaker 5: oh yes, I'm liking this here you know, he's paying
Speaker 5: me some attention. That's what you want. But you know,
Speaker 5: like I always say, you know, things have consequences. They do.
Speaker 5: They have consequences for all of us men too, me.
Speaker 5: You know, any you used to do certain things you
Speaker 5: has a consequence. It's like it's like grabbing a woman
Speaker 5: on the ass. You grab on the ass, you slap
Speaker 5: in the face. What you think gonna happen, you know,
Speaker 5: or she put us up choice, but you think it's
Speaker 5: gonna happen. Those are the kind of things you have
Speaker 5: to It's consequences. But you know, and I'm always saying
Speaker 5: this here, I love women. I think there's nothing more
Speaker 5: beautiful than a woman, a good especially a good looking woman.
Speaker 5: You know, I ain't gonna lie. I'm there's still life,
Speaker 5: still got good looking women. None more beauty than a
Speaker 5: woman's body. I mean, I think it's just it's the
Speaker 5: most fabulous thing ever. And her virtue of being an
Speaker 5: effeminine woman, not a woman that's talking about I'm a
Speaker 5: boss bitch man, a bitch booby by yourself. You know,
Speaker 5: give me a woman, Give me a woman, you know,
Speaker 5: a real woman that that that wants to help and
Speaker 5: be you know, be with her man and do do
Speaker 5: right by her man and vice versa. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I say this to both of y'all, man, men,
Speaker 5: it's not it's not that we the men that cheat.
Speaker 5: It's not that we go out planning that she. Some
Speaker 5: guys do. But good man, you're not. Man. I'm go
Speaker 5: winding up and get me something tonight. I can't know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just like talking on this bitch. I got
Speaker 5: a good room at home, and you know it. You know,
Speaker 5: you know you love everything about your woman, but you
Speaker 5: still go get up and like I say, at that moment,
Speaker 5: he knew he fucked up, and it happens.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 5: Dad. You're welcome. You know. I love you more than anything.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 5: I love you, I love you.
Speaker 2: I love you too. And I'm proud of you person.
Speaker 2: And I'm proud of our relationship. I'm proud of how
Speaker 2: far we've come in our relationship. And and I forgiven you.
Speaker 2: I forgave you a long time ago. You know, I
Speaker 2: talked about this on our last episode when you came
Speaker 2: and you know, you shared with me like you fucked up.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: I mean and and and but but that was just
Speaker 2: the beginning. And it's taken time, and it's taken years
Speaker 2: for that too, for me to accept that, believe that
Speaker 2: and release it, you know, and some of that has
Speaker 2: been like through us. I mean, like two years ago,
Speaker 2: Sylvia shout out to Sylvia Costa Rica. She told me
Speaker 2: that I needed to tell my dad to my dad
Speaker 2: needed to take me on a trip and plan the
Speaker 2: whole thing, and then I needed to be his like
Speaker 2: like his his little girl, Like he needed to click
Speaker 2: the location, he needed to like set up the dinners,
Speaker 2: he needed to set up the activities, and I just
Speaker 2: show up. And so I remember I called my dad
Speaker 2: about this and I was like so nervous to ask
Speaker 2: him and be like, Dad, so the switch and told
Speaker 2: me that I need to be your little baby and
Speaker 2: you need to like set up this this weekend for us,
Speaker 2: and like you didn't hesitate at all. You were like, okay,
Speaker 2: no problem, and we did it. And I remember feeling
Speaker 2: really nervous to do it, even though like, of course
Speaker 2: we've spent time together, but we hadn't like spent a
Speaker 2: week and alone together in a long time like that.
Speaker 2: And I was going to say we should do that
Speaker 2: against him.
Speaker 5: Yea, the same thing, we do it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I appreciate the effort that you've made in
Speaker 2: wanting to mend and repair our relationship because it is
Speaker 2: it is important. It is important for a woman and
Speaker 2: a young woman to have a relationship with her father,
Speaker 2: especially if he especially if he's open and willing, and
Speaker 2: it's not always going to be perfect and it's not perfect,
Speaker 2: and that's okay, and you know, but it's been extremely
Speaker 2: healing for me because there were because when I was
Speaker 2: a teenager, I was having a hard time. I was
Speaker 2: having a hard time with boys, I was having a
Speaker 2: hard time with men, and I was alone in it,
Speaker 2: and I was hiding a lot, hiding from my mom
Speaker 2: because I was embarrassed and ashamed and like she couldn't
Speaker 2: even fathom that I was having sex, you know, And
Speaker 2: I was seeking advice from my peers, and I was
Speaker 2: looking to I can't even say like media because now
Speaker 2: it's like I feel like it's it's so different now
Speaker 2: because there is there's definitely like an in some cases,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to say an agenda, but like
Speaker 2: there is like we've women who have felt unempowered, have
Speaker 2: taken their power back by championing ho shit in ways
Speaker 2: and championing because that is like the only way that
Speaker 2: they could take that power back. And it's been beneficial
Speaker 2: in ways, but it's also been very harmful in ways,
Speaker 2: especially for women that like don't have any way out
Speaker 2: of like finding the positive in it, and now it's
Speaker 2: just a dark hole of like negativity. I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: that niggas money. Fuck these niggas, Fuck all of them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get as many as I can, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's like, but you're actually doing harm to yourself.
Speaker 2: But I'm grateful that you've always been a place where
Speaker 2: I can come to you and talk to you about
Speaker 2: anything like I've I've I've shared more with you probably
Speaker 2: than I have with my mom at times, because you're
Speaker 2: not judgmental. And I know if you go back and
Speaker 2: tell her because now I'm now I'm a parent, Now
Speaker 2: I'm a parent, and I'm like, if I read told
Speaker 2: me some crazy shit, would I told her dad? I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe not if you can handle it.
Speaker 2: But that has been really important to me. And also,
Speaker 2: like the relationship that you and my mom have has
Speaker 2: been really important to me because I never thought that
Speaker 2: I would see the day that you and my mom
Speaker 2: would be friends. My dad came to Thanksgiving this this year,
Speaker 2: to my mom's house by himself, just to come hang
Speaker 2: out with us, and that is like, I'm little Erica
Speaker 2: could have never fucking imagined that ever. And so like
Speaker 2: for the women that are listening that are in like
Speaker 2: really difficult challenging co parenting relationships or relationships with having
Speaker 2: a really challenging relationships with their father, like there is hope,
Speaker 2: there is space for that, and sometimes you won't get that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just not possible. But I appreci She hate you, duddy,
Speaker 2: and I love you so much, and I think that
Speaker 2: you are a great father, even though I know sometimes
Speaker 2: you feel like you're are right.
Speaker 5: I do the best I can like that, but yeah.
Speaker 2: But you're the you are the best father for me.
Speaker 2: Like I chose you, You chose me, and I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: any other day.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks deal. I feel the same way. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, one thing is glad. I'm glad that me
Speaker 5: and your mother had a relationship now because I can
Speaker 5: tell you it was bad. And I tell guys this
Speaker 5: all the time. I said, man, I'm saying, I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna be honest with you. I hate it, hated hated well.
Speaker 2: You in the plast podcast because I went to listen
Speaker 2: to it today. You said you had an unnatural hatred
Speaker 2: for my mother.
Speaker 5: I did, and you know, thinking about it, Eric, when
Speaker 5: you get older, I feel bad about that now. I
Speaker 5: really do. It's almost embarrassing to say it, because I
Speaker 5: Rihan was you know, she wasn't perfect, but you know,
Speaker 5: she was trying to be the best mom that she
Speaker 5: could be. And I understand that now. And a lot
Speaker 5: of times women do that. You know, they last shout
Speaker 5: at the man because they angry at the man because
Speaker 5: you know, they left or whatever they want to be
Speaker 5: with them. And man, it was just I was young.
Speaker 2: You know, why do you think you had such this
Speaker 2: unnatural hate? Like what is it? Where was it rooted in?
Speaker 2: Because you decided to leave? And like, what was it?
Speaker 2: The lack of contry? Like was it that she was
Speaker 2: demanding things of you?
Speaker 5: In some parts yes and in some parts no. It
Speaker 5: was just it was you cannot explain being immature me
Speaker 5: And we're immature. We're immature beings, don't We don't see
Speaker 5: things the way women see, things were selfish. Men are
Speaker 5: very selfish's about us, especially when you're young or young.
Speaker 5: And I was country being in California, and if I
Speaker 5: forget my mother told me when I came out there,
Speaker 5: don't go out there and get one of them girls
Speaker 5: pregnant out there. And I'm like, oh, not going, that's
Speaker 5: what I did. What did I do? She said, don't do?
Speaker 5: And I can't put I can't put my finger on
Speaker 5: and just say this is the reason. But it was
Speaker 5: just a plethora of things. And you know, I was
Speaker 5: going to court all the time, suing me, and I mean,
Speaker 5: and I'm just it just made it almost goes back
Speaker 5: to the Judy Tillman thing where here we go where
Speaker 5: a girl is aft, you know, done me wrong, and
Speaker 5: I just cannot get over it. And you know, and
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I gotta say for myself, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm glad I'm putting that that person. But when I
Speaker 5: didn't like you, I hated you, I wouldn't let it go.
Speaker 5: If I had a chance to get you back, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get that motherfucker. That's what I'm gonna get your
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get your ass back. I promise you might
Speaker 5: not nothing, but I'm gonna get your ass. And I'm
Speaker 5: glad that I never did get your mama back like
Speaker 5: that because it's not fair to you. I won't forget.
Speaker 5: I talked to my one of my my buddies about you,
Speaker 5: about your mom one day and he said, Eric, Man,
Speaker 5: he said, man, you can't hate that girl mama like
Speaker 5: they said that, that's just that, that's that baby's mama. Eric.
Speaker 5: And you were a little bit, you were a little
Speaker 5: bit of child mom. I said, man, I said that,
Speaker 5: he said, Eric. He said, man, one day you will
Speaker 5: see it. That's my boy bird he passed away. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, and he was. He was right, he was,
Speaker 5: he was so right. So like I said, here we
Speaker 5: are thirty some years later, but you know, it is
Speaker 5: what it's like. I told me that when I was
Speaker 5: at the house, and we still laugh about it. And
Speaker 5: your mom we say, I won't forget. She said one
Speaker 5: day she said, one day, you mean you might be friends.
Speaker 5: I say, hell will be on freezeget. I told her
Speaker 5: that before we ever friends. And it's funny. I enjoy
Speaker 5: talking to your mom. You know, it'll be laughing talk.
Speaker 5: That's why I try to tell younger guys, just give
Speaker 5: it time. Sometimes, just give it time. I mean, it
Speaker 5: might be bad right now, but that is the mother
Speaker 5: of your daughter, your son, and she's trying to be
Speaker 5: a good mom in spite of sometime us our foolishness.
Speaker 5: And I got to say my foolishness, you know, and
Speaker 5: you got And that's the thing about me. I'll loan
Speaker 5: up to what I do. If I say something that
Speaker 5: I think is wrong, but I've done something wrong, I
Speaker 5: don't know the problem saying it. I mean I think
Speaker 5: I was wrong. I was most definitely wrong in that situation.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you both, you know, being vulnerable about your relationship.
Speaker 3: I mean seven years ago now, I know that it
Speaker 3: can be a sore spot. But I think this conversation
Speaker 3: other women need to hear it. May they may not
Speaker 3: ever get that apology or that understanding from their fathers
Speaker 3: that maybe weren't there, but this, really, this, this conversation
Speaker 3: can be so deeply healing for people listening, and like
Speaker 3: also just you being vulnerable and keeping it real like
Speaker 3: I was immature and I didn't know better and apologizing
Speaker 3: and taking accountability. And sometimes it's not some deep shit
Speaker 3: it's just like I didn't know better.
Speaker 5: And that's batter. I called you, I say, Eric, I said,
Speaker 5: give me your mom's phone number. You said, what you want.
Speaker 5: I want to talk to your mom about something. I'll
Speaker 5: never forget it. I called your mother, I said, I
Speaker 5: say in this error she said here was I can
Speaker 5: tell you she was nervous because you know I called. I'm
Speaker 5: calling the car the tailouts, I said, I said, it's Eric.
Speaker 5: She said, what's up? Eric? I said, I want to
Speaker 5: talk to you about something, I said. She said, okay,
Speaker 5: what I said, I want to say this to you.
Speaker 5: I said, First of all, I want to say thank
Speaker 5: you for being a good mother to Erica. And I said,
Speaker 5: I want to apologize for the stuff that I've done.
Speaker 5: I said, so I just want to pol say that
Speaker 5: just because you're a good mom. I said, I just
Speaker 5: want to say I'm sorry. And she said, Eric, I
Speaker 5: cannot believe you. I said, I told her me either.
Speaker 5: We laughed about it. So you know that's that's how
Speaker 5: that's that was. That was a change in me. That's
Speaker 5: when I knew I changed. I mean, I just knew.
Speaker 5: I said, I feel different about her mother. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't wish your mother no ill will. I wish
Speaker 5: the best for my mother. She's done things for me.
Speaker 5: I've done things for her and things that you could
Speaker 5: never say I would. I would never do that. But
Speaker 5: you know, like think going to Thanksgiving, man, I told you,
Speaker 5: I told her I had such a good time. I
Speaker 5: had a great I had a great time over there.
Speaker 2: I had dinner with my parents for the first time
Speaker 2: this year, for actually the first time having dinner with
Speaker 2: them ever in my whole fucking life, I've never had
Speaker 2: dinner with my mom and dad and it was for
Speaker 2: my birthday. And uh, And what I realized at that dinner, though,
Speaker 2: was y'all needed to go to dinner. I was just
Speaker 2: kind of sitting there. They were talking tho whole I
Speaker 2: was just like and then at times I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a lot of information. I don't need to
Speaker 2: know all of this. But I am grateful that I
Speaker 2: can even scream at whatever you guys are sharing, because
Speaker 2: I never thought that I would be able to experience that,
Speaker 2: like literally, that was not even on my Bingo card
Speaker 2: of life ever, I had already written that off. I
Speaker 2: was more so just hoping to have a relationship with you.
Speaker 2: I was not even thinking about mending a relationship with
Speaker 2: my mom and my dad. And I think it's really
Speaker 2: important too that I'm grateful for it because I'm I
Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot of healing that I don't
Speaker 2: even think Iri is Iri is even aware of, you know,
Speaker 2: like she gets to see that too, and it's normal
Speaker 2: for her. She doesn't even know anything different, you know.
Speaker 2: And and I think, and I think that even like
Speaker 2: in our last episode, like my relationship with her father
Speaker 2: has evolved a lot.
Speaker 5: Time.
Speaker 2: It is what it is, but but there's respect and
Speaker 2: there's just like, you know, acceptance. I think more so
Speaker 2: if there's just an acceptance, he's still guess, oh my
Speaker 2: goddamn nerves, but there's an acceptance. And the other day
Speaker 2: I told him, I was like, I love you, I
Speaker 2: love you. I want the best for you. I hope
Speaker 2: the best for you.
Speaker 5: He'll get more mature as time goes on. Maturity comes
Speaker 5: with age for a man to we're so immature, Like
Speaker 5: I won't forget when people used to say women mature
Speaker 5: faster than me. And I'm like, that's a lie. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, because I mean, come on, women on me,
Speaker 5: but for real, they do y'all are so much more
Speaker 5: mature and adult like than me and are We're both
Speaker 5: sometimes we're boys? Do we thirty five forty years old?
Speaker 5: Really we like little kids. And and I's why I say,
Speaker 5: I said, just give you some time. I say, Freddy,
Speaker 5: he'd be like like me, like, damn, what was that?
Speaker 5: That was just dumb? You know that, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Hear that, Freddy, make that clicking? Don't do that? Well?
Speaker 3: Do you have an affirmation for us today?
Speaker 5: And like things that I think living about, I live
Speaker 5: my life by well. My dad had a saying. He
Speaker 5: had two says that I really didn't understand at the time,
Speaker 5: and I always say this when I'm talking to people.
Speaker 5: One of his things was he says, sonn, it takes
Speaker 5: a second to get in trouble in a lifetime to
Speaker 5: get out, which is true because you think about it,
Speaker 5: just say like, I'm twenty two years old, got me
Speaker 5: a brand new car, Arriot or whatever. I'll drink with
Speaker 5: my buddies, go out, leave the club. He didn't kill somebody,
Speaker 5: didn't take long, did it? I took a second. My
Speaker 5: whole life is changed. And that took a second. And
Speaker 5: I didn't get that at first, and then I got it,
Speaker 5: believed it or not. After he passed away, and my
Speaker 5: dad passed away when I was young, I was seventeen
Speaker 5: and then But the one that gets me the most
Speaker 5: is he says, son, all these you do do what
Speaker 5: you might things done by halves and never done right.
Speaker 2: What's all that you do do with your mic things
Speaker 2: and halves are never done right?
Speaker 5: Ye, never done right? He said, all you do do
Speaker 5: is one hundred percent. And I take that and I
Speaker 5: always do it just like that, you know, and I
Speaker 5: believe that. I mean business, playing football, all of it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't want to be second to anyone
Speaker 5: that was. That was my thing. But you know, and
Speaker 5: I tell people that, I say, you know, you got
Speaker 5: to do it one hundred percent. You know, if you don't,
Speaker 5: like my dad said, look, if you're gonna be if
Speaker 5: you're gonna be the janitor, to be the best janitor is.
Speaker 5: You know, if you're gonna be a businessman, be the
Speaker 5: best businessman there is, you're gonna be a drive, would
Speaker 5: be the best driver there is. And so that's what
Speaker 5: I try to live my life by. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: not perfect by no means. Trust men, I like.
Speaker 2: That daddy, you pick a card. It's terror time. Two
Speaker 2: swords of swords, two swords. We have a woman I
Speaker 2: think blindfolded water behind her calling two swords like wakandah
Speaker 2: mm hmm, about to find out what do you think
Speaker 2: it means? Just looking at it?
Speaker 5: Like what I know that?
Speaker 2: Don't like to drink it or get it?
Speaker 5: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see. The internet is moving very slow.
Speaker 2: Let me see. Okay, here we go. Two of swords.
Speaker 3: The two of swords indicates that you're facing a challenging decision,
Speaker 3: but you're unclear about which option to take. Both possibilities
Speaker 3: may seem equally good or equally bad, and you're stumped
Speaker 3: about which will lead you to the best outcome. You
Speaker 3: must be able to weigh up the pros and cons
Speaker 3: of each choice and then make a conscious judgment. Use
Speaker 3: both your head, your mind, and the intellect and your
Speaker 3: heart you're feeling intuition to choose the path that is
Speaker 3: most in alignment with your higher self. This might be
Speaker 3: far our bad choice of the week, and in reading,
Speaker 3: it may be helpful to draw further two cards for
Speaker 3: either side of the two swords to show what is
Speaker 3: in your trying to decide upon your balance. You may
Speaker 3: also like to draw for four more cards for the
Speaker 3: pros and cons of each choice. The woman in this
Speaker 3: card where's blindfold, indicating that she cannot see the entirety
Speaker 3: of her circumstances. You may lack the information you need
Speaker 3: to make the right decision. You may be missing something
Speaker 3: such as the threats or potential risks, alternative solutions, or
Speaker 3: critical pieces of information that would help guide you in
Speaker 3: a particular direction. Once you remove the blindfold and see
Speaker 3: the situation for what it really is, you will be
Speaker 3: in a much better position to find your.
Speaker 2: Best path forward.
Speaker 3: Research your options, seek outside opinions and feedback, and ask
Speaker 3: yourself what you might be missing.
Speaker 2: Hmm, Okay, do you have any decisions you have to make?
Speaker 5: Always something? Trust me always?
Speaker 2: Okay, Dad, Well, thank you. I did want to ask
Speaker 2: you about bad Bunny. Did you enjoy the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5: Uh? The game was boring as hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the gay I didn't watch the game
Speaker 2: at all. That we watched the halftime show.
Speaker 5: You didn't watch it at all?
Speaker 2: Are you boycotting it on purpose?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something the bathroom. Let me tell
Speaker 5: you something about your dad. Uh, I'm not a music
Speaker 5: person at all.
Speaker 2: You always say that don't like music.
Speaker 5: The only time I listen to music, honestly, it's on
Speaker 5: the golf course of putting my thing.
Speaker 2: So are you silent in the car?
Speaker 5: Dead silent?
Speaker 2: I remember anything you listening to music?
Speaker 5: Think about it. No, I don't really listen to music.
Speaker 2: I said. I do b IG's lyrics, not the rapper himself.
Speaker 5: I listen to music, yeah, man, I used to kind of,
Speaker 5: but you know, as I got older, the music has
Speaker 5: changed so much. You know, it's like it just ain't
Speaker 5: the same. And I just, I really, I don't listen
Speaker 5: to it that much. So No, the last half time
Speaker 5: show I watched the one when Snoop, Doctor, Dre fifty
Speaker 5: and Eminem perform. I watched a little bit of that,
Speaker 5: but like last year's was Mars his name, Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't watch that, I mean, not til I boycott it.
Speaker 5: I just, I mean, I'm just I don't sit and
Speaker 5: watch it.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many messages I have got from
Speaker 2: strangers from friends from the internet about you talking to
Speaker 2: tm Z about Benito and how I have had to
Speaker 2: defend your honor but also text you like that. Can
Speaker 2: you please talking to Stop talking. They're doing it on
Speaker 2: purpose to try and catch you with the airport. Stop
Speaker 2: talking to them and saying stupid ship, daddy.
Speaker 5: I feel.
Speaker 2: How do you feel?
Speaker 5: This is? This is how I feel about it. First
Speaker 5: of all, I don't know who bad Bunny is. I
Speaker 5: ain't know bugs Bunny, Easter Bunny, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know bad no Bunny. It don't make no
Speaker 5: difference to me. Let me tell you something. First of all,
Speaker 5: I love Latin people.
Speaker 2: I know you have a Latino daughter. I am thank you.
Speaker 2: Your daughter is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so so. There's nothing of there's nothing to
Speaker 5: do with that. My thing is this and I'm always
Speaker 5: for right and wrong and I'm not saying this is.
Speaker 5: Everybody has that right and wrong. And let me tell
Speaker 5: you something. First of all, I never kill people think
Speaker 5: about me. That's why I say what I say. It's
Speaker 5: my truth and I believe it and I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: try to hurt anybody's feelings. But my Lord and saves
Speaker 5: the most important thing to me. If man this is man,
Speaker 5: this this is they care more about clicks than anything.
Speaker 5: I don't give a damn by a click I would
Speaker 5: even know how to get on the look at a click.
Speaker 5: So anyway, when people say something, I don't know what
Speaker 5: they say, so it they't fake it don't fit to
Speaker 5: affect me. My thing is this, If you don't like
Speaker 5: the United States, if you want to say stuff, if
Speaker 5: you don't want to stand up for the national anthem,
Speaker 5: you know at the baseball game and he did, you know, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 5: Don't do anything here, you know, don't. I don't, Yes,
Speaker 5: hold on that you finisht me finish, Let me finish.
Speaker 5: You know, if if the f Ice, I get it.
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Ice is doing
Speaker 5: everything perfect, but you have to have you have to
Speaker 5: do what Obama had Ice.
Speaker 3: We didn't see none of this shit in the news either.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. See that's the problem. That's that's it,
Speaker 5: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: I think there's maybe a more tactical, more humane way
Speaker 3: of going about it.
Speaker 5: I'm not in I'm not in the I'm not in
Speaker 5: the politics. But you know what, even biblically, you go
Speaker 5: by the law of the land. It's just the way right.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying over that, like, can I finish and
Speaker 5: let me finish, let me say what I gotta say,
Speaker 5: then you can say what you gotta say the law
Speaker 5: of the land. And I've said again, are they doing
Speaker 5: it right? There's no way to do it right. You
Speaker 5: can It's it's impossible to do this right. It's an
Speaker 5: impossible task because you have too many people that have
Speaker 5: become You can't do it right. It's just you. You can't.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna be everybody's not gonna be happy. That's
Speaker 5: like saying everybody loves sugar. Everybody don't love sugar. My
Speaker 5: thing is this, you know, if if you say stuff
Speaker 5: that is derogatory about the US. Look, the US ain't
Speaker 5: no place perfect, no place is. You can't go you
Speaker 5: can't go to you can't go to Mexico and burn
Speaker 5: their flag. You can't go to Iran and burn their flag.
Speaker 5: You can't go to China and burn their flag. You can't.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just things you should not do it flags. Sam.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, this is the stuff that goes on
Speaker 5: that they you know that that that they that they've
Speaker 5: done and he's done it too. Since I stumped stumped
Speaker 5: on the American flag. Look, Benito, Benito, whatever his name is, Benito,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, like I say me personally,
Speaker 5: I don't care about no bad bunny. Bad bunny don't
Speaker 5: care about me. I don't care about bad. He asked
Speaker 5: me a question how I feel about it? And they
Speaker 5: telling about Will you know, Uh, Puerto Rico is US
Speaker 5: pre Puerto Rico is US territory, just like Guam is.
Speaker 5: They can't vote for the president. They can't vote not'm because.
Speaker 2: Of a wazu. They're not giving those rights. But they
Speaker 2: guess what they do. Guess what they can do. They
Speaker 2: can go to the military and go fight for this country.
Speaker 2: They gotta pay taxes. They use the US dollars.
Speaker 5: I'll say it again, it's not US territory. But hey,
Speaker 5: that's that's that's neither hearing nor that my my thing.
Speaker 2: It is US territory.
Speaker 5: It's US territories of states, right, it's US terrorists. Is
Speaker 5: US territory they ask for that. It is US territory.
Speaker 5: But anyway, forget that. Like I said me, personally, I
Speaker 5: don't man, I don't know what to give it. Damn,
Speaker 5: I just think this, you know, My main thing is
Speaker 5: about this is I don't like. Football is football. Football
Speaker 5: is as an American sport. It's first football, it's back baseball.
Speaker 5: Don't put politics into football. Let it be football. Lead
Speaker 5: that stuff from place elf. You want to go to
Speaker 5: concerts like like just like the girl Billie Eili's get
Speaker 5: to talking about you're still in the land. Who wants
Speaker 5: to hear that? I mean, who wants to now they're
Speaker 5: talking about the people saying that, oh you got your
Speaker 5: house on i WI land and now they want the house.
Speaker 5: I mean, football is football. Let's just play football and just.
Speaker 2: No, they have nothing, not consistently, but but yes they have.
Speaker 5: They started this crap erica in the last like eight
Speaker 5: to ten years. This this this nonsense. And the players
Speaker 5: we feel the same way. A lot of players feel
Speaker 5: like I feel like lead that lead that ship over there.
Speaker 5: Let's just playing football. Just get a group out there.
Speaker 5: Look if he if he speaks Spanish, that's fantastic. I
Speaker 5: think Spanish is a sexy language. But you know what,
Speaker 5: you ain't got it. Like like Shakiro she did, she
Speaker 5: did English and Spanish. We find do some English, but
Speaker 5: you're gonna say I'm gonna do my whole concern in Spanish.
Speaker 5: You got four months, you got hold on and got
Speaker 5: let me finish. You got four months to learn Spanish. Hey,
Speaker 5: that's on them. If the NFL wants to do that,
Speaker 5: that's fine. That's how I feel about it. That's how
Speaker 5: a lot of that's how a lot of players occurred
Speaker 5: and retired feel about it. But you know what, they
Speaker 5: ain't got no, they ain't got no choice. But that's
Speaker 5: just that's that's that's my take on. Like I said,
Speaker 5: bad body, don't. You don't give a damn about me,
Speaker 5: and I don't give a damn about him. That's how
Speaker 5: I feel about it. I mean really, And they fans
Speaker 5: like they can post stuff, think gotta read that ship?
Speaker 5: No ship, that's it. So what they say about your dad,
Speaker 5: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I could give I'm not gonna tell you that a
Speaker 2: lot of good.
Speaker 5: I'm glad they do. Like I said, you don't. My
Speaker 5: main thing is, I say it again, my relationship with
Speaker 5: my Lord and save you. I don't care about none
Speaker 5: of that. I don't care about day they say whatever
Speaker 5: they want to say about me, because you know what,
Speaker 5: one day all of them are going to stand before
Speaker 5: him just like I am. And be judged. I don't
Speaker 5: judge nobody. I'm not judging this man. By no means
Speaker 5: am I judging him, So don't say I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: What I just want to address a few things. First
Speaker 2: of all, I have a question, Yes, what is the
Speaker 2: official language of America?
Speaker 5: English?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did, they did it recently then this last
Speaker 3: two years.
Speaker 5: So what's the official There was no language there.
Speaker 2: Was that happened recently because forty million people in America
Speaker 2: speak Spanish. America is indigenous. America is indigenous land. This
Speaker 2: is English is not native to this land. Number one.
Speaker 2: Number two Bad Bunny is one of the biggest streamed
Speaker 2: artists in the world across all genres, not just Latin.
Speaker 2: So him being there is like it makes sense because
Speaker 2: he's the biggest streamed artist in the world, not just
Speaker 2: within South America or Latin America, that this is the
Speaker 2: whole world, okay. Number two. Puerto Rico. Yes, it's not
Speaker 2: a state, but it is US territory. They pay taxes,
Speaker 2: they have to go fight in wars for US, and
Speaker 2: they contribute to the economy. They use the US dollar
Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico. There's no Puerto Rican dollar and it's
Speaker 2: the equivalent to the US dollar here. So I just
Speaker 2: like the fact. And because so many people speak Spanish,
Speaker 2: just because we don't, I mean, I know, I know
Speaker 2: what BENEATHO saying, because sooy Latina battle. Just because everybody
Speaker 2: else doesn't doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right
Speaker 2: to be on that stage. And of course, yes they've
Speaker 2: used it as a political statement, because yes, the NFL
Speaker 2: has the NFL has chosen to make political statements, has
Speaker 2: chosen to use that forum as a place for political statements.
Speaker 2: Now with Ice, what the are doing is crazy, Dad,
Speaker 2: it is I don't you can say like there's no
Speaker 2: good way of doing it. They are literally just pulling
Speaker 2: people off the street that just look Latino or that
Speaker 2: took Latino. They can be black. They're pulling black people
Speaker 2: off the streets. Like this is the beginning of not
Speaker 2: the beginning. We're already in it of just everyone just
Speaker 2: losing their rights thereabouts that they can enter your home
Speaker 2: without a warrant, Like it's so much deeper than just
Speaker 2: we have to get the illegals out.
Speaker 3: And we have to talk about law, because historically America's
Speaker 3: law has not as much as it's been lawful or
Speaker 3: been the law we've seen Hence slavery, hence Jim Crow,
Speaker 3: hence the civil rights Those were laws too, but they
Speaker 3: didn't benefit some people's human rights. And so when we
Speaker 3: see that, we have to speak up because we as
Speaker 3: black people not that very long ago, especially you coming
Speaker 3: from Texas.
Speaker 2: You know they was using the laws you went to
Speaker 2: just like create a school, some function, to do some function.
Speaker 3: These niggas be doing the function the government, the US
Speaker 3: government beyond some functionhit some racist function.
Speaker 2: And that's the truth.
Speaker 3: Even though slaves built this country, built the White House,
Speaker 3: built the wealth of America. Just because some shit is legal,
Speaker 3: don't mean I was gonna say it the see words.
Speaker 2: Let mean bring it back, let me bring it back.
Speaker 2: These crackers are crazy.
Speaker 3: You gotta watch them and you gotta check them. Hence
Speaker 3: the checks and the balances, and that's about to be
Speaker 3: out the door. So we need all the checks and
Speaker 3: the balances that we can get. Yes, Obama has probably
Speaker 3: had ice. There's always been federal agents that are in
Speaker 3: control of territory and immigrants. However, there's due process. You
Speaker 3: cannot just be fucking killing people and running people over
Speaker 3: and doing nutshit with people who are uneducated, need the money,
Speaker 3: don't have a fucking pot to piss, and the ice
Speaker 3: agents are getting a check for being dumb as fuck, fat, overweight, dumb,
Speaker 3: fucking teethless crackers and some other which.
Speaker 2: Is beyond me.
Speaker 5: Hispanic too, Hispanic black.
Speaker 3: You niggas really got you niggas. Look in the mirror, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. There's problems. It's not all it's the law.
Speaker 2: We can't rely on the law. No, it's because it's
Speaker 2: become beyond the line.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: So it was kind of recorded to say recorded, we
Speaker 5: don't we don't know what the number is. So it's
Speaker 5: okay for the administration before to let in fifteen million
Speaker 5: undocumented people. Is that okay?
Speaker 2: I feel like God made the land.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's that's that's the quest. I mean,
Speaker 5: is it okay to have think about this undocumented you know?
Speaker 5: You know? Matter of fact, I'm gonna tell you a story.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact. When I was in Super Bowl, a
Speaker 5: guy gave me a ride. He was uber driving some turkey.
Speaker 5: He speaking, he was pretty good, and I asked him,
Speaker 5: I said, so, how long you have been in the
Speaker 5: United statesy I've been here seven years. I mean seven years.
Speaker 5: And I said, well, I say, do you like it?
Speaker 5: He said yes, he said yes. He said, I said,
Speaker 5: you have your he said, he stopped. He said, let
Speaker 5: me tell you something. He said, I'm not telling you
Speaker 5: what i've heard. I'm telling you how it works. He says,
Speaker 5: I've been here seven years. I just got my official
Speaker 5: card or whatever to be a US citizen four months
Speaker 5: ago today my daughter was born. To day, my day
Speaker 5: my dad died. He says that what they're doing is
Speaker 5: he says, I know for a fact because I knew
Speaker 5: some of these guys. He said, they let in thirty
Speaker 5: nine criminals from Turkey. He say criminals. He said, I'm
Speaker 5: not talking about He said, I'm talking about killers, criminals.
Speaker 5: He said, they got their stuff right away. He said,
Speaker 5: it took me seven years. He said, they're letting the
Speaker 5: criminals in. He says, that's not right. He said, I
Speaker 5: can tell he was frustrated. He said, that's not right.
Speaker 5: But this my question. I said, so, I said, okay
Speaker 5: to let in fifteen million. And I'm like going to say,
Speaker 5: it's no perfect way to do it. Do it perfect?
Speaker 5: But is it okay? Letting? And now And this is
Speaker 5: why I always tell people it don't affect you to
Speaker 5: it affects you if somebody would do something to you,
Speaker 5: Erica or my granddaughter, of my kids from undocumented even
Speaker 5: if here I mean, I don't give a damn who
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: It could be undocumented, it could be an American.
Speaker 5: Either way, it does make a difference when it's it's like,
Speaker 5: this guy has a record of doing this in just
Speaker 5: say Russia. I'm gonna use that he has a he
Speaker 5: has a record of being a rapist and a murderer
Speaker 5: in Russia. But that's what I'm asking. But but, but,
Speaker 5: but what I'm saying is I'm.
Speaker 2: To say, but that that that that percentage is so small,
Speaker 2: that it is that percentage is so Smallida kids, and
Speaker 2: that percentage is so small, and and and it's and
Speaker 2: they use it as propaganda to then paint this picture
Speaker 2: that all illegal and that most of the illegal undocumented
Speaker 2: immigrants are our criminals are all these different things are,
Speaker 2: but have no problem putting them in positions in jobs
Speaker 2: that nobody else wants to do. And it's just like
Speaker 2: this is I don't know, I feel like I need
Speaker 2: more informed to I need to I don't want to
Speaker 2: speak and not have the right information. But no, I
Speaker 2: do not think that we should have fifteen million undocumented
Speaker 2: people in here. Do I think those fifteen million people
Speaker 2: are criminals? No, I do not do. I believe that
Speaker 2: there needs to be people need their due process, and
Speaker 2: there needs to be better laws in order for people
Speaker 2: to get residency, get their green card, all those things. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: But I think that this administration has villainized immigrants. And
Speaker 2: I think that the white agenda is so strong because
Speaker 2: they are actually the minority and they know that worldwide,
Speaker 2: and there's a sense of fear that has come into place.
Speaker 2: And I also think, Daddy, that you play golf off
Speaker 2: with a lot of white people that back to that.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of whites and they be saying
Speaker 2: ship that might make a lot of sense to you,
Speaker 2: but it's not the truth.
Speaker 5: They don't bring They don't even bring up politics.
Speaker 2: It's not the true.
Speaker 5: They don't bring up politics.
Speaker 2: Can we just make a promise? Can we just do
Speaker 2: a promise? I need you to make a promise to me.
Speaker 2: Can you please, Daddy, for the love of fucking God,
Speaker 2: not talk to t m Z any more? Pinky promise?
Speaker 5: I promise I won't talk about bad bunny.
Speaker 2: You don't need to talk to about nothing no more.
Speaker 2: That is that is the lowest of the lowest news
Speaker 2: source ever since Van Lathan left.
Speaker 5: Let me let me, let me tell you. Let me
Speaker 5: tell you something that I know for a fact. Media
Speaker 5: cannot be trusted.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 5: Politics came out, none of them. Politics came in. But
Speaker 5: you cannot trust the media because your dad has been
Speaker 5: part of that part. I've been villainized in the media.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't, I don't. I don't take
Speaker 5: anything they say as as gospel. My thing is is that,
Speaker 5: you know, I just feel like that, Yes, they probably
Speaker 5: skew the numbers for sure, but when you when you
Speaker 5: when you see Hillary Clinton, you see Obama, you see
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton talk about till I think it's two thousand
Speaker 5: and nine, in two thousand and twenty twenty, when they
Speaker 5: say the same thing that's happening right now, we cannot
Speaker 5: have the illegals here, We cannot do this. We have
Speaker 5: to deport them, we have to. I'm like, wow, now
Speaker 5: it's funny. I'm watching them say the same thing, and
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's right by by. I'm saying keep
Speaker 5: this get this straight. I'm not saying it's right what
Speaker 5: that man is doing. By no means I think he's
Speaker 5: doing it right, by not at all. But how's it
Speaker 5: good for the goose? But it ain't good for the gander?
Speaker 5: That's what that's That's what I don't get. That's why
Speaker 5: I say the media you can't trust me. They they
Speaker 5: said it. Trump's saying it pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's just anything anything this man does.
Speaker 5: And I, like I said, I'm not in the politics
Speaker 5: because I'm gona tell you three things you can't agree on.
Speaker 5: You can't agree on religion, how to raise your kids
Speaker 5: in politics, those three you'll never win on. And so
Speaker 5: it's just it's just my opinion. And I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: not out of it. And you know, I'm a guy
Speaker 5: I've never voted. Never. I feel like it's a waste
Speaker 5: of time. You know. That's why I don't get into politics.
Speaker 5: I think I think all politicians are crooked is criminals.
Speaker 5: I think all of them are criminalist. I think Trump
Speaker 5: is crooked. I think Obama's crooked. I think Clanton is crooked.
Speaker 5: I think the Democrat Party is criokeet I think the
Speaker 5: Republican Party is crooked. I think, all I'm a crooked now.
Speaker 5: I believe that, and that's that's to me. That's that's
Speaker 5: my truth. I mean, you got people who won't talk
Speaker 5: to their family because you're a Democrat and I'm a Republican.
Speaker 5: How stupid that is ignorant to me? You think I
Speaker 5: will stop talking to you because because you're a Democrat,
Speaker 5: you'd like bad money. And I don't, absolutely not. I
Speaker 5: don't take it that serious. I think it's a fun
Speaker 5: conversation and something to talk about. Then if it gets
Speaker 5: too deep, I say, hey, these politics alone. I tell
Speaker 5: my friends, hey, let's get off these politics. Let's talk
Speaker 5: about something else. And that's it. So that's how that's
Speaker 5: that's how I feel. I mean, like I said, it
Speaker 5: ain't gonna never be done right. This this world is
Speaker 5: so corrupt, corruption, and it's all about money power, that's
Speaker 5: what it's about. And we know and we know, we know, man,
Speaker 5: we know, we know what I call him. I call
Speaker 5: him Mighty White Tea. You know, you know you know
Speaker 5: how he is. He ain't gonna let you take his power.
Speaker 5: Let me ask let me ask you, let me ask
Speaker 5: you this question, and this is one. I'm if it
Speaker 5: was all blacks coming in here, trying to come in
Speaker 5: from all niggas, you think that, you think they'd the
Speaker 5: houses and take them, take care of them for free. Hell,
Speaker 5: thank you. If it was just us, just but all
Speaker 5: I mean all us, they would be like shooting ass
Speaker 5: at the border. Ain't getting your black asser in here?
Speaker 2: Answer?
Speaker 5: Like what all that? Just like the at the White
Speaker 5: Hi when when they when they stormed the White House,
Speaker 5: if that was a bunch of niggas did that, it'd
Speaker 5: be they still be cleaning them up off the off
Speaker 5: the White House, damn right, whatever that does Congress steps.
Speaker 5: So anyway, that's that's how I feel. But I will
Speaker 5: promise you I will stay up TMD and I want
Speaker 5: be talking about bad money.
Speaker 2: I want it's recorded now.
Speaker 5: So there's certain things I'm gonna talk about now. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna talk about the NFL.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine about You have a Latina daughter, so I
Speaker 2: need you to chill.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, thank you. I love latinos.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, daddy, you like Latina women.
Speaker 5: You're right. I love the women. That's that. That's the truth.
Speaker 5: You got that right?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you lose them all if you're talking
Speaker 3: about bad money anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 5: I'm old now anyway. Thank you, daddy, baby, thank you,
Speaker 5: thank you for having me. I love you. Good good
Speaker 5: seeing too.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that you came.
Speaker 3: If anyone hasn't listened to our episode with Eric seven
Speaker 3: years ago, what was it called the groupies?
Speaker 2: The football parenthood and groupies. I think i'll put it
Speaker 2: in the Lincoln Suscription.
Speaker 5: Group of the group is ain't changed, it an't.
Speaker 2: Got worse anyway. And my daddy don't really. He has
Speaker 2: social media, but he don't run in He just posted
Speaker 2: Bible verses over there anyway. It's kind of.
Speaker 5: Boring over the curt on social Just notice that I
Speaker 5: don't see it.
Speaker 2: Every time I see a post from you as a
Speaker 2: Bible verse.
Speaker 5: You got it above him.
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