WEBVTT - The Dems are a Desperate Beast.  Lanhee Chen Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is fun Lone Hee Chen, longtime friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the Armstrong and Getty shows stopping Baylon He of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Daven Diane Steffy, Fellow in American Public.

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<v Speaker 2>Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University, Lani, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's great to be with you guys here in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the first time we've done this in person?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it might be.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is great. I think were you in the

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<v Speaker 3>building last night for the moment?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was electric.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, it's funny because there were a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of big moments last night. You had the Teamster's president.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the last time the Teamster's president spoke at a

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<v Speaker 4>Republican convention? Yeah, I don't think it's ever happened. You

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<v Speaker 4>at the revelation of the vice presidential nominee. But all

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<v Speaker 4>of that I thought paled in comparison to when they

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<v Speaker 4>first showed my former president coming down the tunnel and

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<v Speaker 4>then coming into the actual arena, And the level of

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<v Speaker 4>emotion that he exhibited was reffer too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, he has talked about some interviewers have

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<v Speaker 3>talked about him being a changed man. I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know at his age, blah blah blah. He

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<v Speaker 3>was shot, which something will change it. But he looked different. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I've never seen his eyes well up with

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<v Speaker 3>tears like that before.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, if there is emotional experience for a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people, right, and and with with Lee Greenwood

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<v Speaker 4>singing Proud to be an American in the background, it

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<v Speaker 4>was it was a this one thing that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>has always gotten right as a stage craft of conventions,

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<v Speaker 4>and and that can be tough to pull off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I was the guy who had to put the program

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<v Speaker 4>together in twenty twelve when Mitt Romney was the nominated

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<v Speaker 4>say it's a hard thing to get all the pieces right. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it was off as jiv and transparent. But last lag

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<v Speaker 4>was amazing. It was really well done.

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<v Speaker 3>I I was hold together until the crowd started chanting fight, fight, fight,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Yeah, that is something.

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<v Speaker 1>And can you believe towards the end of last week,

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<v Speaker 1>we were thinking this might be a sedate affair and

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<v Speaker 1>lacking a bit in news.

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<v Speaker 2>As a student of history, can you put.

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<v Speaker 1>Into words how extraordinary this political moment is in so

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<v Speaker 1>many ways. I mean, between the assassination attempt, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's come back, Joe Biden's clearly declining mental faculties, and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 3>These are crazy times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I did meet the press on Sunday

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<v Speaker 4>and one of the things I was reflecting on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny they didn't ask us, Nathan which next week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you did a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the things that I was reflecting on was,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, he wore a

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<v Speaker 4>coat and on the inside of the coat was inscribed

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<v Speaker 4>one Country, one destiny. And we're at this point now

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<v Speaker 4>where our country could go in one of two directions.

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<v Speaker 4>As I view, we could go the direction that we

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<v Speaker 4>had between nineteen sixty three and nineteen eighty one, where

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<v Speaker 4>you had the assassination of a president Booke, ended by

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<v Speaker 4>the attempted assassination of another president, and several assassination attempts

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<v Speaker 4>in between. Gerald Ford there were at least two attempts,

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<v Speaker 4>serious attempts on his life, and it's like, do we

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<v Speaker 4>want to go down that pathway of political violence and

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<v Speaker 4>division or do we go in a different direction. And

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<v Speaker 4>so far, at least the tone that we're seeing out

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<v Speaker 4>of our politics, out of everyone from the former president

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<v Speaker 4>to the current president. Is an attempt, I think, to

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<v Speaker 4>try and move in a different direction. Now will we

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<v Speaker 4>stay there? That? I don't know, but history tells us

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<v Speaker 4>that we've seen some pretty dark times before.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, people are Here's my I opened the show with

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<v Speaker 3>this yesterday. Here's my axiom for the whole thing. This

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't end until sides start calling out their own people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and so far, I haven't seen that. I mean, Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden's willing to talk about things on the other side,

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<v Speaker 3>Charlottesville or whatever, but none of the stuff on his side,

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<v Speaker 3>and the same I'm hearing the same out of Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>So and to start calling out your own side.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're right. I think that is that is

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<v Speaker 4>the big difference. And our politics have become so tribal.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to imagine that happening, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I mean, I would hope that people would

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<v Speaker 4>be able to call spade a spade, but I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I you're right, I haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was pretty disappointed. Joe Biden brought up the ridiculousness

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<v Speaker 3>of it. He promises a bloodbath behind that Lester whole interview,

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<v Speaker 3>all that he got.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why he got pressed by Lester.

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<v Speaker 4>I think on the bullseye comment, right, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 4>and it was an unfortunate choice of words. Clearly glad

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<v Speaker 4>to see that he admitted that, but you know, he's

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<v Speaker 4>still got some Democrats out there who are unwilling to

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<v Speaker 4>admit that that.

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<v Speaker 2>He even said that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk more about Biden's stain in the

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<v Speaker 1>race in his campaign in a couple of minutes. But

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<v Speaker 1>first you referenced Sean O'Brien, the head of the Teamsters,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of Yeah, the Republican Convention, which is an extraordinary thing. Crazy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not familiar with it, I heard it pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that this is the first time, and smarter guys

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<v Speaker 1>and me pointed out, well, that's because there were mobsters

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<v Speaker 1>like for decades and decades and that.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have been weird.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, having said that, the direction of the Republican Party,

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<v Speaker 1>it's changing coalition is so interesting right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've talked a lot about this, which is that

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<v Speaker 4>the one of the things that Donald Trump ushered in

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<v Speaker 4>was a more populist Republican Party. Whether you think about

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<v Speaker 4>issues like trade or even taxes right, or lots of

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<v Speaker 4>different things. Donald Trump had a very different perspective on them.

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<v Speaker 4>Selecting jd. Vance essentially made sure that that perspective is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be the predominant perspective in the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 4>for the next several I don't know what it is, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I whant I call it decades?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the vice presidential nominees thirty nine years old, So,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it's a remarkable thing. But we are seeing

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<v Speaker 4>this transition. The Republican Party is increasingly a working class,

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<v Speaker 4>working American party, and that was not the case for

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<v Speaker 4>much of my childhood, much of my coming up in politics,

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<v Speaker 4>we were the Party of Wall Street and the Party

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<v Speaker 4>of corporations.

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<v Speaker 2>Country club, Yeah, country club.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a very different Republican Party and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 4>that on full display here.

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<v Speaker 1>It was obviously uncomfortable for folks who saw the O'Brien

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<v Speaker 1>speech last night when he he pivoted from what you

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<v Speaker 1>describe as pro worker to just blatantly anti corporation, which

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<v Speaker 1>did not sit well with a lot of the cut

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<v Speaker 1>You know, to me, that's like you to be pro

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<v Speaker 1>child is to be anti parents. It's not the way

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<v Speaker 1>the world works. Yeah, and look, you have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things. I mean, you guys know, I think about

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare a lot. And in healthcare, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 1>these companies have been responsible for some of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>innovations we've seen in healthcare over the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years in terms of people who don't get access to

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<v Speaker 1>affordable care, and a lot of that's been led by

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<v Speaker 1>by corporations. But it's not a zero sum game, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's a danger to thinking about our

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<v Speaker 1>economy that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the politics of last night, I'm just remarkable

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<v Speaker 4>to have the head of the Teamsters here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that was just it was like my mind was blown.

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<v Speaker 4>It will be blown for weeks to come way in

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<v Speaker 4>a good way or a what the hell way? No,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, look, I think it's good. The Republican Party

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<v Speaker 4>needs to expand its appeal. Now there are many ways

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<v Speaker 4>of doing that. Recently, the appeal has been expanded to

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<v Speaker 4>working Americans, as I noted earlier. Ideally it would also

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<v Speaker 4>be expanded to newer Americans, and I think for some

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<v Speaker 4>newer Americans the Republican Party has its appeal as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm all for growing the party and growing the tent.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think that to your point, once you start

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<v Speaker 4>talking about how awful businesses are, I mean, that's when

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<v Speaker 4>you lose me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right of course, although from thirty thousand feet, as they say,

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<v Speaker 1>it struck me as a moment of Hey, let's concentrate

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<v Speaker 1>on what we have in common. Well, we disagree with

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<v Speaker 1>this guy and a lot of stuff, but we agree

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<v Speaker 1>on some stuff, and so we've in right. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, if you're going to be a majority party,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Obama coalition had a lot of groups that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't agree on a lot of things. Yeah, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be a majority party, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in together those groups. I think that's a great point.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, the reason why the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 4>having so much to get to your point about why

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<v Speaker 4>the Democrats are having so much difficulty now with what

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<v Speaker 4>they do with their nomination process is because that Obama

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<v Speaker 4>coalition has fallen apart. And nothing does better in holding

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<v Speaker 4>coalitions together than winning. You saw it with Republicans when

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<v Speaker 4>you had the Reagan coalition. Bush had a slightly different

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<v Speaker 4>coalition that was a different coalition, and that fell apart.

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<v Speaker 4>Once the Bush presidency ended. Nothing helps people stay copaesthetic

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<v Speaker 4>like winning. And I think the reason why that coalition

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<v Speaker 4>is falling apart because people are looking at the president's campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>They're saying, this guy can't win. And I think for

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<v Speaker 4>that reason, people are starting to desert the ship. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they Are they turning against Biden because he can't

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<v Speaker 3>win or because his brain don't work? I have a

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<v Speaker 3>feeling that if he was up by ten points, nobody'd

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<v Speaker 3>be talking about his brain. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it is all about elective politics. It's all

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<v Speaker 4>about what are the polls showing us? And I have

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<v Speaker 4>to believe his advisors are seeing the same polls that

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump's advisors are seeing and that the public are seeing,

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<v Speaker 4>which suggests that they are little to few to no

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<v Speaker 4>pathways to victory for the Democratic ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, David Axrod keeps saying he thinks his inner circle

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<v Speaker 3>is keeping the polls from him. New York Times alluded

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<v Speaker 3>to that today too. Is is Joe Biden looking at

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<v Speaker 3>the actual.

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<v Speaker 2>Attem might look? I mean, how crazy an allegation is that.

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<v Speaker 4>He does keep referring to polls that show him up right,

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<v Speaker 4>I have no doubt there are polls that show him up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just not sure that they're conducted by credible.

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<v Speaker 2>Pollster, Doctor Jill Dosom.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I just as as a candidate, one of

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<v Speaker 4>the things you have to do is you have to

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<v Speaker 4>be inquisitive about where is the race right now? Because

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<v Speaker 4>we all, I mean, I've been a candidate before. You

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<v Speaker 4>want to think as positively as you can about the race,

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<v Speaker 4>but you got to know where things are well in

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<v Speaker 4>a realistic view, you know. And I just I just don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he's getting the full picture, if

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<v Speaker 4>it's being kept from him, if he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>see the full picture.

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<v Speaker 2>But the data seems pretty clear to me. Well, everything's

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<v Speaker 2>going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Every good and great leader I've ever run into wants

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<v Speaker 1>to know the bad news. Of course, you demand bad

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<v Speaker 1>news first. You know, you're, like us, a human being,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, as if that's some sort of observation, and

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<v Speaker 1>a family man.

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<v Speaker 2>You ask you right, exactly, But.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've dealt at all with the decline of age

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<v Speaker 1>or dementia or Parkinson's or anything like that, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it only goes in one direction. And on the political

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<v Speaker 1>side of things, in three months, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely tragic for the Democrats. But putting that aside, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no chance Joe Biden is anything but significantly worse.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom died of complications from Parkinson's and by the

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<v Speaker 1>time we are in October, it's going to be really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to watch. And it's difficult for us as non

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<v Speaker 1>political pros to process that anybody think that's a better

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<v Speaker 1>idea than saying, hey, let's go quick, let's figure out

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<v Speaker 1>if Gretchen or Gavin or Jos Shapiro, who gave a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely speech the other day, if they're a better option.

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<v Speaker 1>It's difficult for me to understand how you could stick

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<v Speaker 1>with that sinking shift.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me give you the argument that I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>the Biden team is giving to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>right now. And by the way, this is an axiom

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<v Speaker 4>that I would say in politics is widely believed. You

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<v Speaker 4>always rather the devil you know to the devil you

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<v Speaker 4>don't sure, okay, because you want the predictability of the

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<v Speaker 4>liabilities you have in front of you versus the non

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<v Speaker 4>predictability of liabilities that come from a new candidate who's

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<v Speaker 4>not been vetted. And so, by the way, I've talked

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<v Speaker 4>to Democrats in that circle who say this to me

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, we don't know what's out there about

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<v Speaker 4>Gretchen Witmer. We don't know what's out there about Gavin

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<v Speaker 4>Is or or the vice president. Even so we don't

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<v Speaker 4>for that reason alone, we would prefer to go with

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<v Speaker 4>the horse we have.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I think more and more Democrats, and even some in

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<v Speaker 4>very high levels of the Democratic National Committee are wondering

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<v Speaker 4>whether that is the right strategy or because we're all

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<v Speaker 4>seeing the same thing. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We all watch TV, we all see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>So I feel like even during this week when all

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<v Speaker 4>the attention is here in Milwaukee, there are lots of

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<v Speaker 4>conversations going on about what does the future of the

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<v Speaker 4>Democratic Party look like, what's going to come next?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we precipitate a change. We've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still not really convinced they will make a change.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think that you do not force a incumbent

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<v Speaker 4>president out of anything unless the president himself comes to

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<v Speaker 4>the conclusion because he sees the.

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<v Speaker 1>Data, he can't win. As you sit here, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>lead story of the convention so far?

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<v Speaker 4>The unity of the Republican Party, This is a party

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<v Speaker 4>that's been pretty at various points divided since twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 4>since Donald Trump first became the nominee, and of unity.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've talked to lots of Republicans over the

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<v Speaker 4>last day and a half i've been here, including a

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<v Speaker 4>number of Republicans who were very skeptical of Trump at

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<v Speaker 4>various points. And even if they're skeptical, their view is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he's the nominee and I'm going to support him.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm hearing a level of you. You got Nicki

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<v Speaker 4>Haley coming tonight, right, you're the keynote speaker tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>And you had Tucker Carlson sitting the two seats away

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<v Speaker 1>from the president last night.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting way uniting the tribes, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The Evance once called him America's hitler, and he's his

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<v Speaker 3>running mad Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, hey, you know what, the former president loves a

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<v Speaker 4>redemption story. Yeah, And we've seen it over and over again,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is just the latest example. The other thing

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<v Speaker 4>I'll note is that you couldn't have picked a VP

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<v Speaker 4>more different than Pence. If you think about the profile

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<v Speaker 4>of these two men, and you think political profile and

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<v Speaker 4>actual profile in terms of appearance, age, mannerisms couldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>more different, and I think that that's intentional, that's not

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<v Speaker 4>an accident.

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<v Speaker 3>What you would know this, what is the latest date

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<v Speaker 3>Biden could step down and you could like even conceivably

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<v Speaker 3>change to a different candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think there's two issues.

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<v Speaker 4>There's one that's like a democratic rules of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 4>Party issue, and that one's coming up. I think that

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<v Speaker 4>was like the next couple of weeks they've got to

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<v Speaker 4>figure out because they got to nominate, They got to

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<v Speaker 4>formally nominate at the convention, and I think they were

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<v Speaker 4>talking about doing a roll call ahead of that to

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<v Speaker 4>get it. For some reason, there's a ballot issue in

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio or somewhere where they can't get on the ballot

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<v Speaker 4>unless they have a named Democratic nominee by X date.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I was gonna say is there's the Democratic

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<v Speaker 4>Party rules issue, and then there's the legal ballot access questions.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know well enough to know what the exact

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<v Speaker 4>deadlines are, but I can't imagine we've got too much

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<v Speaker 4>long so weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason I bring that up is because we

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<v Speaker 3>were discussing yesterday. Isn't that the only way the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>could like turn the page and start a new conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>The forcing function is a different.

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<v Speaker 3>Candidate, because how would you run against Trump at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Since he's just been shot, right, You can't demonize him,

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<v Speaker 3>can you, Which.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the hard message, and it makes it very hard

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<v Speaker 4>to run a campaign. I mean, you know, they had

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<v Speaker 4>to pull everything down for a couple of days. My

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<v Speaker 4>guess is they'll go back to business as usual soon,

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<v Speaker 4>but they are. They're going to be in a tough spot.

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<v Speaker 4>But to get back to the conversation we had, you

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<v Speaker 4>know before the break, given how polarized we are, they'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Be able to have.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they'll they'll go right back to attacking Trump

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<v Speaker 4>within a matter.

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<v Speaker 3>You think they'll be calling him an existential threat to

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'll be. I think some will.

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<v Speaker 4>I think some member Democrat members of Congress are completely unhinged. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the completely unhinged about about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I was going to say, in spite of

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination attempt, and where you think that might push

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<v Speaker 1>the discussion. A desperate beast is not prone to reasonableness,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, and the Democratic Party is a desperate beast.

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<v Speaker 2>This I mean, I would not surprise me if you

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<v Speaker 2>started to hear that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, uh, you know what I what I come

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<v Speaker 4>back to is when you say this person has to

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<v Speaker 4>be stopped at all costs, what do you think is

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<v Speaker 4>going to happen? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? What do you think is going to happen? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>And to be fair, I think that that language hasn't

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<v Speaker 4>been used by all Democrats. But you know, people conveniently

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<v Speaker 4>overlook that there are some who've been engaging in that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of dialogue for years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a difficult thing, the question of.

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<v Speaker 1>If your rhetoric incites the most mentally disturbed tenth of

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<v Speaker 1>a percentage of the population, is that necessarily unacceptable rhetoric?

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<v Speaker 3>But both sides have got to quit saying that if

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<v Speaker 3>the other side wins this election, we'll never have another election, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's crazy thing it is, It is absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>And the blood bath thing, I mean, if I were

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<v Speaker 1>to take Joe Biden's word, he at his word. He

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<v Speaker 1>repeated it on Lester Holds again last night that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>vowed a bloodbath if he lost, virtually anything would.

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<v Speaker 4>Be justified, right right, Well, again, we got to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out a way to get the rhetoric toned down. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not enthusiastic it's going to happen, but I think the

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<v Speaker 4>sanctity of our republic depends on it.

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<v Speaker 3>This week at the convention, do you think speeches have

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<v Speaker 3>been significantly changed or will be significantly changed from what

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<v Speaker 3>they were going.

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<v Speaker 4>To be or not? It doesn't feel like there's been

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<v Speaker 4>significant change. Maybe you know there's been some nipping in tucking.

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<v Speaker 4>There always is. I mean again, I was engaged in

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<v Speaker 4>this process. You know, there's always a nitthing in tucking.

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<v Speaker 4>The big question is going to be what Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 4>speech sounds like on their day, right, I'm watching for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, did you follow the story? Ron Johnson Wisconsin get

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<v Speaker 3>pretty strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Speech the teleprompter loading the Ron.

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<v Speaker 3>They loaded the pre shooting speech by accident. You know

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<v Speaker 3>what do you think that's a bus No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that can happen. It's chaotic back there in

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<v Speaker 2>the production of production.

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<v Speaker 1>How about on the fly you leave out the most

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<v Speaker 1>inflammatory stuff. I mean, come on, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>read it. Right, Yeah, we've barely got a minute until

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<v Speaker 1>a heartbreak. So the key question who is the smartest

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<v Speaker 1>person among major news personalities and who's the dumbest?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, how long do we have. I gonna

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<v Speaker 4>get in trouble if you make me answer that question.

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<v Speaker 3>You work for NBC. If you run into Lester, tell

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<v Speaker 3>him nice job on the interview. Not only did he

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<v Speaker 3>ask hard questions, but he followed up ye Biden last night.

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<v Speaker 3>He's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be a chat with Lanhi Chen if we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask at least one.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredibly unfair question. Hey, we really look forward to chatting

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<v Speaker 2>more throughout.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks for being.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me. Yeah, oh our pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah,