WEBVTT - A Quick History of the BBC

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. You got a quick announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, I do huh?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're talking about our new playlist that's coming

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<v Speaker 2>out that one, that's right. Yeah, we have a new

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<v Speaker 2>playlist coming out, right, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this holiday season, I think coming out very soon. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the Twelve Days of Holiday Toys because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got lots of great toy episodes over the years and

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<v Speaker 1>we've compiled them together for the whole family to enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, we love those toy episodes. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>comes out on December twelfth.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I think so. And that's what I mean in

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<v Speaker 1>real time. This's probably are not real time, but in

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<v Speaker 1>real podcast time this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think so too. And what do you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do to get these episodes? You may ask nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to lift a single finger. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to put them in the feed like we have been

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<v Speaker 2>and hope you enjoy them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. And I have another announcement for this BBC episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, is that how you say it the beb Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard that too.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say?

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I was going to say it?

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<v Speaker 1>The whole episodes this one even more so than a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our others that are you know, you could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially do one hundred episodes on. This is like serious

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<v Speaker 1>overview territory. When you're talking about something as far reaching

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<v Speaker 1>and long standing and sort of legendary culturally as the

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<v Speaker 1>BBC is, I don't want our our listeners across the

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<v Speaker 1>pond to be like, guys, you're gonna give us, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes on the BBC.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what we're going to do, and it's with love. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and big thanks to our man in Britain Kyle, for

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<v Speaker 2>wrangling this huge, massive topic into something pretty pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>and understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I gotta say I love the BBC. Always have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>since I was a little kid watching really yeah, watching

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<v Speaker 1>their content on public television. Uh huh, you know, everything

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<v Speaker 1>from Flying Circus to Benny Hill to Faulty Towers and

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<v Speaker 1>then having a British roommate in college. He would tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about the east Enders and you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>all the you know, stuff that he grew up with,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just been near and dere. I read the

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<v Speaker 1>BBC news all the time. It's just, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely watched Benny Hill a lot when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid too, so I guess I didn't realize it

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<v Speaker 2>was BBC content, But it totally was, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just thought it was some guy who talked

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<v Speaker 1>funny from Indiana, right, who liked bear breasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was really into boobs, man, he was. If

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<v Speaker 2>there was ever a person into boobs, it was Benny Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twelve year old chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's cool. I guess I've loved the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>longer than I thought too, So this is it's a

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<v Speaker 2>hat tip, I guess, also a big thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>BBC and also deeply critical of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to this one hundred and three year old institution.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just in time for it one hundred and third birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get started. You mentioned that it's called BIB.

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<v Speaker 2>I had not heard that before, but apparently it's quite accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>And the BIB you can liken it in the US

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<v Speaker 2>to MPR, where there's a lot of you know, accusations

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<v Speaker 2>of it being left leaning bias, and then people on

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<v Speaker 2>the left are like, no, it's right bias. It does

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<v Speaker 2>its best to stay middle ground if possible. It has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with public funding, but in a much different way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a venerable institution, but like way more

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<v Speaker 2>venerable than MPR. Public broadcasting is here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a big chunk of British culture. And in

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<v Speaker 2>that sense, I get the sense that even people who

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<v Speaker 2>are like to hell with BBC still feel some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like pride in the BBC in its existence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know that is all as we have

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<v Speaker 1>learned by design. That was no accident. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>world's largest broadcaster, has twenty one thousand plus employees, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows it's the it's the oldest national broadcaster, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows how many programs they put out. Kyle said

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<v Speaker 1>between ten and twenty million. So that's that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And that's also a big cushion.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is as a margin. Yeah, that's called hedging.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that includes I think, you know, everything radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And because as we'll see, their little fingies are in

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<v Speaker 1>all the Figi puddings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean, if you live in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some way, shape or form that you're taking in

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<v Speaker 2>BBC content almost certainly because they dominate or they they

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<v Speaker 2>did at one point dominate radio, dominate television, now that

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<v Speaker 2>they blaze the trail onto the Internet as far as

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<v Speaker 2>news sites go, they have a huge web presence and

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<v Speaker 2>then in the like across the world as well. They

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<v Speaker 2>have what's called the World Service where you can watch

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<v Speaker 2>BBC news all over the world, so it's appropriately named,

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<v Speaker 2>and they say that they have an audience of almost

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<v Speaker 2>half a billion people around the world, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it too. I know probably two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty million people who watch the BBC myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Because should we go back to the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's go with the beginning, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got to go I said it was one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and three years old. So if you carry the one,

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<v Speaker 1>you subtract that nineteen twenty two is where we're going

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<v Speaker 1>in our British wayback machine. Mind the gap, which you

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<v Speaker 1>know runs on coal and shepherd's pie and October eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty two is where we're going because that is

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<v Speaker 1>where the British Broadcasting Company was formed before they became

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<v Speaker 1>the corporation as a partnership between what they called the

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<v Speaker 1>post Office, which at the time was basically there they

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<v Speaker 1>ran the telegraph service over there, and the Marconi Company,

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<v Speaker 1>who said, I got a lot of radios. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to assail, but you got nothing to put on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we haven't heard that in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. Remember in our AM radio episode we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the Marconi Company setting up companies all over the world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good example of that. And the British

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<v Speaker 2>government was like, hey, how about this. We will make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you have zero competition. That will give you a monopoly,

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<v Speaker 2>but you got to make some pretty good content here.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to hear good stuff. Right now, all we

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<v Speaker 2>hear is and we want to hear better stuff than that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so the Marconi Company set us up. They established

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<v Speaker 2>this this station, like you said, in nineteen twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess five years later the British government was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is ours now, this is a state owned monopoly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened to the Marconi Company, but

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like they got hung out to dry. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess is the nicest way I can put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I bet they did. Okay, So that was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven when it became the Broadcasting Corporation and very you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of right out of the gate, they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what we're gonna do. We're not gonna it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be this weird hybrid of culture and entertainment kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ran through run through the government, but supposedly the government

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't intervene too much. It's kind of hard to reckon

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<v Speaker 1>how that all works, and sometimes it works really well.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes there's been a lot of controversy. But what they

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<v Speaker 1>did decide early on is we're not going to advertise

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to tax people outwardly. At least, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have what's called a license fee, which is

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<v Speaker 1>this to us in the United States, a very strange

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<v Speaker 1>sort of arrangement wherein households pay a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>money starting in nineteen twenty three with ten shillings a

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<v Speaker 1>year to fund the BBC. And that's like your household

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<v Speaker 1>license to listen to and then later watch stuff on

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<v Speaker 1>television and listen on the radio, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have a license to watch TV in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK, is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they don't say, all right, now here's the

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<v Speaker 1>codes to turn it on. I mean, I guess, is

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<v Speaker 1>it just like an honor system?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Kyle. So we had to follow up with

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle or like, we do not get this license thing

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just you Brits just take it as like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the most normal thing in the world. It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>So it turns out that it does seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>on an honor system, and that most people follow that

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<v Speaker 2>in part because most people have honor. But also there's

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<v Speaker 2>apparently a very real threat that the BBC will send

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<v Speaker 2>out some government goons to show up at your door

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<v Speaker 2>step and be like, hey, are you do you have

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<v Speaker 2>a TV license? And I guess some people think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's incumbent upon them to open their door and

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<v Speaker 2>let the person in to see that they have a

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<v Speaker 2>TV and they can't produce a license and you can

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<v Speaker 2>get fined one thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently they have trucks.

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<v Speaker 2>They say pounds thank you, which is more than one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. You should have also said the goon squad,

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<v Speaker 2>I should have let me just retake this whole Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just start at the beginning again.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to put on your newsboy cap and get

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<v Speaker 1>out your cup of tea to really get in the zone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Really my Lipton's BlackBerry tea. Yeah, but apparently they will

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<v Speaker 2>come to your house. So think about this, right. If

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<v Speaker 2>you are not in the UK and you subscribe to

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix and you get Netflix because you're using a friend's password,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if Netflix showed up on your doorstep and said

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<v Speaker 2>are you getting Netflix for free?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And you say no, and they say prove it, let

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<v Speaker 2>me in, let me go, let me go check and

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<v Speaker 2>see if you have Netflix, because we know you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have your own account. That's essentially what they do with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I believe the Color TV license for twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five is one hundred and seventy four pounds fifty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two point eight million people pay this about twelve percent,

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<v Speaker 1>don't They just sort of evade that cost for a

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<v Speaker 1>total of about three point eight billion pounds that goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the BBC and the government. But this license expires

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty seven, and there's a lot of himming

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<v Speaker 1>and howeing going on over what's going to happen next.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Over the course of its history, these ten year

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<v Speaker 2>charters that they get that get renewed and reviewed. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>the government wants something in return, or at the very

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<v Speaker 2>least rakes them over the coals publicly. But it does

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<v Speaker 2>seem from what I was reading that this does seem

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<v Speaker 2>like to be a particularly dire situation for the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>in their charter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of people who are like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get rid of the ABC altogether, or let's let

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<v Speaker 2>them compete in the free market. They can sell ads.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an unfair, aggressive tax where the poorest people have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay the most percentage of their income for it,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they want to or not, just to watch TV.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of competing ideas for what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and the BBC's like, how about this, let's just not

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<v Speaker 2>change anything and increase the license fee a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're getting crickets back right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're getting crickets. So time will tell. In twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, will report back what happened, right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a little follow up, But let's go back to the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>because they had a guiding light at the beginning which

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about, which was after the World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>the Great war. They really said, let's let's start this

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<v Speaker 1>thing to embody what it means to be a Britain

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<v Speaker 1>and to sort of get our common culture out there

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<v Speaker 1>to the world through you know, sports obviously would come along,

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<v Speaker 1>and music and interviews and documentaries and plays and things

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. And there were three dudes early on

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<v Speaker 1>that were the I guess the founders. Cecil Lewis, who

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<v Speaker 1>was a fighter pilot, former fighter pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you were nailing the British pronunciations here.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have gone by Cecil, I don't know, a

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<v Speaker 1>broadcaster named Arthur Burrows. And their first director General, who

0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.320
<v Speaker 1>was the person in charge of the whole thing. His

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<v Speaker 1>name was John I think, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going with Wreath.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going with Wreath and the director General is in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also there's also a government board of governors

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<v Speaker 1>that they work with or maybe answer to.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And one of the things about the BBC, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons it's so venerated, it was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>trailblazer thanks to these three guys in their vision. I

0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.520
<v Speaker 2>saw that John Reith was described by the New World

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<v Speaker 2>Encyclopedia as a man of high intelligence, great ambition, and

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<v Speaker 2>rigid moral views and just like out of the gate,

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<v Speaker 2>they set the standard for broadcasting, for broadcast journey for

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<v Speaker 2>what it meant to kind of create a common culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember in our Saturday Morning Cartoon episode we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how Saturday Morning Cartoons played like a bardic function. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives a common culture to a bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like part of their goal was to create

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<v Speaker 2>a common British culture and that happened right after World

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<v Speaker 2>War One. At the time, nobody had anything in common,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was a good thing that the BBC came along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this was in the infancy of radio at

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<v Speaker 1>the time and such that Kyle dug up this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun thing. I guess there was a sign in

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<v Speaker 1>some of the recording studios and broadcasting studios where it

0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:43.800
<v Speaker 1>said you will all caps deafen thousands. So people didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they were doing, so they really had to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of figure this whole thing out. It was a

0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.760
<v Speaker 1>very intimidating thing, you know, early on to sit in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a microphone when no one had done that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing before. And even Arthur Burrows as a broadcaster,

0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.240
<v Speaker 1>he said broadcasting to millions was awful and they were

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<v Speaker 1>worried about getting you know, quote some madman on the

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<v Speaker 1>microphone who could do a lot of damage. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was a it was a pretty intimidating thing at first

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<v Speaker 1>when they were getting their feet wet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so for people outside of Britain too, the

0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.320
<v Speaker 2>BBC was it. They were the only radio station, not

0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.880
<v Speaker 2>because there were there was no competition. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>monopoly for years and years and years. They had a

0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.280
<v Speaker 2>monopoly on radio and then television. So just bear that

0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.280
<v Speaker 2>in mind. So it was really incumbent upon these guys,

0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and they realized their responsibility to be the provider of

0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.000
<v Speaker 2>mass communication for their entire nation, and they took that

0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.360
<v Speaker 2>responsibility seriously. And they started the whole thing out on

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<v Speaker 2>November fourteenth, nineteen twenty two, with the call sign TWOLO

0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.880
<v Speaker 2>that was their broadcast license from the Marconi Company, and

0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Arthur Burrows said, Hello, Hello, this is too low the

0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.760
<v Speaker 2>London station of the British Broadcasting Company call too WELLO calling,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was my Arthur Burroughs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty good. Keep in mind everyone, he was very

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<v Speaker 1>nervous on the first day. That's why Josh sounded liked that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he went on to just sort of get the

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<v Speaker 1>content underway. He did a one minute weather and news

0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.240
<v Speaker 1>bulletin and this is adorable. Then he repeated it slower

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<v Speaker 1>so people could take notes to I guess, read back

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<v Speaker 1>to their family. And from the get go they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>call it BBC English at the time. What it was

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<v Speaker 1>called was received pronunciation. But it was this sort of

0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.840
<v Speaker 1>accent that they all agreed would be the accent. They

0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't like regional accents coming on and everyone sort of

0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.400
<v Speaker 1>doing their own thing. They opted for this middle class

0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:49.400
<v Speaker 1>southern English that like at the Eton School, where it

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<v Speaker 1>was just sort of the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently have been generating among aristocrats since like the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteenth century. And at that same time there were colonists

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<v Speaker 2>who were setting up the call colonies in North America

0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.000
<v Speaker 2>who had separated from that, and so there are in

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<v Speaker 2>some ways a lot more similarities to how Americans talk

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<v Speaker 2>today to how people in Shakespeare's time would have spoken

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<v Speaker 2>than the people in Great Britain today and the UK

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<v Speaker 2>have with the people in Shakespeare's time, especially hard ours

0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.680
<v Speaker 2>like Shakespeare would have been like what is a car

0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:30.480
<v Speaker 2>or the h's instead of Henry Higgins, right, you would

0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:35.160
<v Speaker 2>say Henry Higgins. That's how Americans say it. So those

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<v Speaker 2>two big differences. That's how Brits used to speak before,

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<v Speaker 2>like I guess about the eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so they you know, they got the ball

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<v Speaker 1>rolling very fast on all kinds of content. In the

0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.400
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties, they had something called the Children's Hour, They

0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.880
<v Speaker 1>started playing live concerts at some of London's you know,

0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:58.120
<v Speaker 1>venerated halls. In nineteen twenty seven, they started sports broadcasting

0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.320
<v Speaker 1>with the FA Cup Final, which the very first ever

0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.360
<v Speaker 1>live commentary for any event, not just sports. And by

0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the end of the nineteen twenties, by the end of

0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.840
<v Speaker 1>that first decade, really just eight years, they had two

0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.200
<v Speaker 1>million license holders. Those were households, so they had a

0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.160
<v Speaker 1>lot more than that as active listeners, and they were

0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.639
<v Speaker 1>a venerated, respected institution kind of right out of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Gate, yes, But before that they ran into their first

0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.600
<v Speaker 2>major headbut with government. And I say, we take a

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<v Speaker 2>break and come back and talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That about chew chill.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, We'll be right back, so, Chuck. We talked

0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.600
<v Speaker 2>about them headbutting with government and the first time it

0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.600
<v Speaker 2>ever happened was with the nineteen twenty six general strike,

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.280
<v Speaker 2>which is when a bunch of people go on strike

0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.119
<v Speaker 2>from all different kinds of professions, and they were doing

0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.880
<v Speaker 2>this in sympathy with coal miners. I think more than

0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.240
<v Speaker 2>a million coal miners were having their wages reduced, and

0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 2>so a bunch of different people from different professions went

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<v Speaker 2>on strike, and that included print workers at the newspapers.

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<v Speaker 2>So the newspapers effectively shut down except for the British Gazette,

0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 2>which was a government owned newspaper. And the government owned

0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 2>newspapers like this strike sucks and everybody who likes it

0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.080
<v Speaker 2>sucks too. But that left the BBC is the only

0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:32.200
<v Speaker 2>form of mass communication reporting on this stuff. And apparently

0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Winston Churchill was not very happy with the idea that

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the BBC, the government owned monopoly, was not just being

0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.119
<v Speaker 2>like this strike sucks and anybody likes it sucks. They

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<v Speaker 2>were reporting neutrally on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was Finance Minister at the time, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of sway, obviously, and he was like, hey,

0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I think we should declare an emergency and take over

0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the BBC. And the Director General resisted. Reith did and

0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.240
<v Speaker 1>he said, no, we're not gonna let that happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>they it seems like they were strong armed into not

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.399
<v Speaker 1>airing the other side as much. One example is when

0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they had Prime Minister Stanley bald went on at one

0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.719
<v Speaker 1>point and this was at Rice's house. They were broadcasting

0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.680
<v Speaker 1>out of the leader of the opposition, Ramsey McDonald was like, well,

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I'd get to come on now, too, right, and the

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 1>government refused that. So they remained, you know, through the

0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:30.480
<v Speaker 1>rest of the strike somewhat impartial. They didn't let McDonald on,

0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.639
<v Speaker 1>but they did block Churchill basically from being on the

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.080
<v Speaker 1>BBC until he resigned in nineteen thirty eight. So they

0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 1>were like, you're never coming on here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's quite a coup actually, because Churchill talk and

0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:48.000
<v Speaker 2>give speeches, so throughout the forties or the beginning of

0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the forties through World War Two, they managed to hang

0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.840
<v Speaker 2>on and keep reporting as best as possible. The radio

0:19:54.920 --> 0:20:00.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely did. It became a government propagand it's outlet. Some

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 2>of the European powers that had been overrun by the

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Nazis and it made their way to the UK used

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the BBC to broadcast to their people back home, or

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I think the Polish army in exile, a Polish government

0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 2>in exile sent coded messages to Polish resistance forces. It

0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.240
<v Speaker 2>still kept going. Apparently their studio was bombed in nineteen

0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.920
<v Speaker 2>forty and it took out a lot of the top

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.520
<v Speaker 2>few floors, but luckily they were broadcasting out of the

0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>basement still, and I guess the guy who was reading

0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the news at the time dusted the script off and

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.040
<v Speaker 2>kept reading. You heard kind of a boom in the background,

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.720
<v Speaker 2>but the news reader basically didn't miss a beat.

0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they kept going because they had that charge to

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>do so. In the nineteen thirties is when TV came along.

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.240
<v Speaker 1>So at the beginning there was a Scotsman named John

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Logi Baird. This was in nineteen twenty six where he

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 1>had this really archaic at you know, I guess it

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.679
<v Speaker 1>was pretty advanced for the time, but archaic now a

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>mechanical system where they had rotating discs scanning and displaying images.

0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.400
<v Speaker 1>And so they said, all right, that's good enough for now.

0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.159
<v Speaker 1>It's nineteen thirty two. No one will know that this

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>isn't very good.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine.

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.199
<v Speaker 1>They put out a very experimental thirty line service to

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.720
<v Speaker 1>demonstrate that it didn't look so great. But it didn't

0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 1>take very long before they had Marconi came along again

0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and said that he had a better system along with EMI,

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and in nineteen thirty six they had the first high

0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:37.640
<v Speaker 1>def television service launched from Alexandra Palace in North London.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the time, high deaf meant two hundred and

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.919
<v Speaker 1>forty lines of resolution or more.

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is nuts because TV high def today has

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 2>something like two hundred and fifty. Yeah, at least at

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:57.679
<v Speaker 2>least so the BBC TV so BBC Radio continued broadcasting

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 2>throughout the war, but BBC Television shutdown because apparently there

0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of concern that the signal could be

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 2>used to lock on as a target and bomb Alexandra Palace,

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 2>where they were broadcasting from. So they're like, well, we

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.320
<v Speaker 2>don't want to risk that, we'll just stop broadcasting, and

0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.800
<v Speaker 2>they did for seven years, from nineteen thirty nine and

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right after they got this new thing in their households. Yeah,

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.720
<v Speaker 1>they were like all right for seven years. Can you

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.800
<v Speaker 1>imagine being a child? No, I mean there was the

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.280
<v Speaker 1>most kids content at the time, but still anything on

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a TV screen, imagine was hard to lose after you

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 1>tasted it.

0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.280
<v Speaker 2>I know. And it was around for three years, so

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 2>that was enough time to get people pretty strong out

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:38.200
<v Speaker 2>on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, you know, huh.

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 2>So, remember, these guys are figuring this stuff out as

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 2>they go along, Like the BBC were trailblazers in just

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 2>about everything they ever dipped their toe into. And one

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 2>of the ways that they did figure stuff out was

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 2>basically being dropped into the middle of it. And a

0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.119
<v Speaker 2>really good example of that came in the fifties in

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:05.360
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three when Queen Elizabeth the Second the sequel,

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:11.199
<v Speaker 2>when she was coronated. But basically the BBC was like,

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 2>this is one of the biggest things we've ever covered,

0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 2>if not the biggest thing we've ever covered so far.

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.480
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna we're just gonna throw everything we can

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 2>at it. So they started developing new technology, They figured

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 2>out new ways of broadcasting. They figured out like rolling

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 2>news coverage from you know, station to station, and it

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.879
<v Speaker 2>was quite successful from what I understand too. Plus also

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people bought TV sets as a result.

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they could see that thing.

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they could see what Queen Elizabeth looked like.

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Finally, yeah, they told us on the radio, we could

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.239
<v Speaker 1>see what she looked like on TV. So went out

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and bought one.

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>She's got pretty nice hair. She's wearing a tiara. I

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 2>think those are white gloves or else. She's quite pale.

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't see from here is that a corgie?

0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:00.280
<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned the monopoly. That monopoly was eventually broken

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty five when ITV into independent television was launched,

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the oldest commercial network in Britain. And then eventually in

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.959
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two Channel four would come along and you know,

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, programming started to get somewhat interesting

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>in like the nineteen fifties, because you started to get

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot more. You know, it wasn't just let's do

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the coronation or this concert from Royal Albert Hall or

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>something like that. They started to get into comedy and

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of true entertainment, for better or for worse. One

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 1>example of for worse was a show called The Black

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and White Minstrel Show in nineteen fifty seven. They had

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:45.120
<v Speaker 1>sixteen million viewers for that show and it ran from

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty seven to nineteen seventy eight. A super super

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:56.200
<v Speaker 1>super racist minstrel show. We will say from nineteen sixty two.

0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Starting in nineteen sixty two that the chief accountant of

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.679
<v Speaker 1>the VBSA was like, this is a disgrace and like

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 1>really racist, and so it took another sixteen years for

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 1>BBC one to say, yeah, maybe you're right.

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That chief accountant's name was Barry Thorn, and he

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>was quite vociferous about getting this thing off the air.

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>And one of his memos that he sent, he got

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>a reply from one of the higher ups that said,

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>for heaven's sake, shut up. They just buried their heads

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in the sand. They would not accept that this was

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 2>an offensive, racist show. And I read like even in

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, this was offensive and racist, let alone

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight. And if you go and watch it,

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 2>it is jaw droppingly racist.

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, they're just not good.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It isn't It's like Lawrence Welk terrible. That's essentially it was.

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Imagine Lawrence welkword. Every man is in blackface for no

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 2>reason whatsoever. There's no context to it. They're just in

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>blackface doing all these different things and doing all these

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>different song performances. It's it's insane, Like you should definitely

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>go check it out, Like if you're not just like

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 2>completely staggered by it, I will be surprised.

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there may be. You know, check in with yourself.

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 2>That's a good litmus test watching the Black and White

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Minstrel Show and seeing what you think of it.

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that should be the test moving forward.

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so nuts, dude, just.

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Hook people up to a machine. Yep, it's nineteen sixties.

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.479
<v Speaker 1>Now we're really flying through the decades. BBC two has

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 1>come along in nineteen sixty four, and Color TV with

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a U comes along in nineteen sixty seven, and this

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 1>is when some of the legendary shows over there of

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>all time came about in the sixties, not the least

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of which, from nineteen sixty three was the sci fi

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 1>series Doctor Who Who exactly, a show that I've never

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 1>watched me, but I know people love it.

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean it's been a cult classic for

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 2>seventy five years. Yeah, seventy years sixty something. That's a

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>long time for a cult classic to be around, you know. Yeah,

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>think about it. Freaks and Geeks was one season.

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good point.

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 2>There was also one that I'd like to see. I

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>hadn't heard of it yet, but apparently it was enormous

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and I can understand why. It's Kenneth Clark's Civilization For

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>me nine, this apparently was like the first Prestige series

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>that they ever came out with, and it was basically

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 2>like Kenneth Clark going over the Dark Ages up to

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the twentieth century and talking about the philosophy of different

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>eras and what was going on and how things developed

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and how people got along and interacted. It sounds really amazing.

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, I want to see that too. Maybe

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>we should get an Eyeplayer. We'll get to what that

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>is later, okay, or sign up for Eyeplayer. I don't

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>think it's an object right, No, it's not. Satire came

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>along in nineteen sixty two with David Frost. That was

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the week that was. I can only think that John

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:05.959
<v Speaker 1>Oliver's Last Week Tonight with John Oliver is just the

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>title itself might be a slight nod. Yeah, that was

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the week that was.

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's always struck me as pretty British, so

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's aware of that show.

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>And that was, of course the great David Frost.

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the one who got Nixon to basically admit

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 2>that he was a crook.

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the dude.

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>There's another that was in nineteen seventy seven on CBS.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure BBC was quite jealous Frost Nixon.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah or else they didn't care because it was Nixon

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>and he's American.

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 1>That's right. But we also got Monty Path's Flying Circus

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>in Benny Hill in the late sixties.

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 2>That's right. And then also the Foresight Saga, which I

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>hadn't heard of, but apparently it has quite a bit

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>of similarity to Dalton Abbey and they're about to reboot

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>it for the third time. So I guess Dalton Abbey

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>fans can move over to the Foresight Saga.

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that's already out. Actually, oh my god, the

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>new one?

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it really?

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean it's been around since sixty seven. I

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>think there's a new six part series that's also that's

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>also out. If not now, then maybe coming into the holidays,

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>because it's definitely this year.

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool?

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Are you into Downton Abby? I don't remember.

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I love Dunton, Abby. I'll watch it all good. Yeah,

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not taxing on the brain or anything. It's just

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it's exactly what it should be, which is that just

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>real easy to watch upstairs downstairs? Soapi drama?

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Nice?

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I like it okay. And then also what came along

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties in nineteen sixty four was the music

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>show Top of the Pops. We've talked about that a

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>few times. You know, remember Queen made their Bohemian Rhapsody

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>video to get out of having the lip sync on

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Top of the Pops.

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean legendary show hosted by noted awful person

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Sabil, who we're going to talk about later.

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Imagine if we just didn't mention him. Right,

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So we you said we were blazing through the de

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>We're about to blaze so fast. We're going to combine

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the seventies and eighties together because a couple of really

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>big things happened in well, starting in the late seventies

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and early eighties. The first thing was nineteen seventy nine

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 2>when Life on Earth premiered, and that is David Attenborough's

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>first really big, massive wildlife documentary series. It took three

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>years to make. They went to over one hundred locations,

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>had a one million pound price tag and I was like, wow,

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>that's got to be a lot. That's only five million

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>pounds today. So imagine getting this groundbreaking series for a

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>mere five million pounds. That's quite a deal. But this

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>this thing just completely changed wildlife documentaries. Every wildlife documentary

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you see traces itself in its style back to life

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 2>on Earth.

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, we can't go over all these shows,

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and I know people are going to be like, what

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>about One Foot in the Grave and my favorite show?

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But we should mention my favorites, one of which was

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Faulty Towers. That was another that post college, when I

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>was living in New Jersey with my British friend from college.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>He introduced me to Faulty Towers and The black Adder

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and they were just a couple of the best shows ever.

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was a comedy that I hadn't seen

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>before and just really really great stuff.

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. For some reason, I got introduced to Faulty Towers

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>before I ever watched Flying Circus too, so I was like, Oh,

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that's the guy from Faulty Towers.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, m hm, Oh that's funny.

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned the Goon Squad. I remember we talked

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>about them when we did an episode on I guess

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Monty Python. Did we ever do an episode of My Python?

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Because they came up we did?

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think that was one of our La podfasts.

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>It was totally yeah. Yeah, so they were deeply influenced

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>by The The Goon Show. Yeah I say Goon Squad,

0:31:58.880 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't I.

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think I said Goon Squad earlier, so

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I probably influenced that.

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thanks for my fault jumping on that grenade

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 2>for me. But it's The Goon Show and it was

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 2>one of the first absurdist comedies that really influenced shows

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>to come, like Monty Python, but it was just on

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>the radio, which makes it even more creative if you

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>ask me.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, amazing. Spike Milligan created it and it's probably most

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>notable these days for where Peter Seller's got his start.

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>He was in the first couple of series what we

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>call Seasons, along with Harry Seacombe, and I believe Michael

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Benteen took over Peter Sellers. And like I said, there's

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>so many shows to mention, but we can't not mention

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>east Enders because my former roommate Justin talked about it

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot. He was from East London and it was

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the biggest shows in the history of

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the BBC.

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>It's basically like the British version of friends.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on.

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>That, but that was the TV show and still is.

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 2>East Enders is still on correct, I don't.

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Know, is it.

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure it is.

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>That would be surprise me. It started in nineteen eighty

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>five and was a really big hit out of the gate,

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, it's melodrama. Kyle points out that

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>it hits all the sort of stereotypical like soap opera archetypes,

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but they've also through the years, like I think most

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>good shows, I've gotten some applause for tackling things like

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>some of the realities of the East End of London

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>through history.

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like HIV, unemployment, just stuff that you don't always

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>see on the TV. It was kind of groundbreaking in

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that sense for sure. Don't call it a soap opera though, Chuck.

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 2>If you want to go soap opera is you got

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>to get back to the radio and just find the Archers,

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 2>which is the world's longest running soap opera. They have

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>over twenty thousand episodes, so almost as many as we

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>can now, and it's set out in rural England. Apparently

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>it's great, or it has been from time to time,

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>so I've never heard of it and never heard it,

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>but I may pick up an Archer's habit. I'm not

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 2>sure then, yeah, or you.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Could just watch Archer instead on FX.

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 2>It's great. It's basically the same thing.

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>The radio was still going on. You know, I know

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>we're talking a lot about TV, but you mentioned the Archers.

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>The quality of radios. You know, if you listen to

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>our AM Radio episode, everything just on. It kind of

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>started getting better technologically in the sixties and seventies. They

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>were more ubiquitous, so it reached more ears. But you know,

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>this touches on a lot of our episodes because if

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you listen to our Pirate Radio episode, you'll know that

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>pirate radio was a legitimate threat to the BBC Radio

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Radio Caroline and Radio London. It wasn't just you know,

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like a few hundred people listening like they were playing

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>popular music and sort of dominating that scene in the

0:34:57.440 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>mid to late sixties, and the BBC is like, we

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>got a better Yeah.

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>The reason why there were pirate radio stations is again

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>because it was illegal to run a radio station because

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 2>BBC had the monopoly on it. So they were like, well,

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>like like you said, we need to keep up, so

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>they launched Radio one in nineteen sixty seven. Apparently it's

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the most listened to radio station in the entire world

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>for no small reason, in part to Pete Tong and

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>his Essential Selection show that ran in the nineties. Did

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 2>you ever listen to that?

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I know the name, but I don't know if I

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 1>ever listened to that.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It was like DJ sets that he hosted. They were

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 2>really good. It was a good show.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, they eventually would end that monopoly five years

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>later in nineteen seventy two on the radio when they

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>passed legislation that commercial radio could be a thing. And

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that's when the LBC, the London Broadcasting Company, was the

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>first one to hit the legitimate airwaves. Is not pirate radio,

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And apparently it was. You know, things moved along okay

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>through the seventies and eighties, but it was really a

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:02.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties where local independent radio like super took off

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>over there.

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think by that time. By nineteen ninety five,

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 2>the BBC had a smaller audience than some of its

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 2>competitors for the very first time. Yeah, but the BBC

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>plotted along. Don't feel bad for them, as we'll see

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 2>they know how to pick themselves up and dust themselves

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>off and say what's next for the BBC? I say,

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>we take a break and we come back and find

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>out what's next.

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Chuck, let's do it all right, We're back and we

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>promised what's next for the BBC? And what was next?

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Was Margaret Thatcher saying I hate you BBC. Yeah, she

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>was elected in nineteen seventy nine, had a strong I guess,

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 1>aversion to the BBC and their privileged status right out

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of the gate. She wanted she was all about the

0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>free market. She was like, nap, this should be in

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the free market with everyone else. The editorial editorializing should

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 1>align with the national interest of basically what I think

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>is a national interest.

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>And there were a number of things that happened in

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties that I guess you could call them

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>either missteps or just honest broadcasting that Thatcher did not like.

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>No, especially covering the Falklands War or the troubles in

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Northern Ireland. They weren't just like screw Northern Ireland, screw

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>the IRA or screw the Argentinians like they like you said,

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 2>reported fairly and in some cases we're accused of treachery.

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Apparently Peter Snow on Newsnight called the troops the British

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 2>when they were invading the Falklands rather than our troops,

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>and he was accused of treachery. And they once interviewed

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 2>IRA member for a I think a Panorama episode. Yeah.

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Panorama's kind of like Frontline from what I can tell,

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like a hard hit investigative documentary show. And you

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't do that. You couldn't talk to the IRA,

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't give them any kind of airtime, you couldn't

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 2>air their viewpoints, and they tried to in the mid

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 2>eighties with that Panorama episode, but I guess I never

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 2>saw the light a day because of the government.

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that the whole situation would eventually lead to

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the oulster of the Director General at the time, Alistair Milne.

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>And you know, he was everything I read about him

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>said that he was doing a pretty good job. But

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>it was you know, Thatcher was in power. She wanted

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>him out and in nineteen eighty seven he was basically

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of strong earned doubt and Thatcher's you know, choice person,

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Marmaduke Hussey was installed and you know, just to be

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>more government friendly.

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently, I was reading about Marmaduke Hussey. He was

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 2>described in his obituary as cleverer than he looked, but

0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 2>almost certainly not as clever as he thought. He said

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 2>that when he was appointed to the BBC, he was

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>so unfamiliar with it that he and his wife had

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 2>to look up the address and the phone book to

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 2>see where he should be going. So he was not

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>like an obvious choice, and he was clearly the choice

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that was like, this guy's going to listen to everything

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 2>I want, thought Thatcher.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and I read some about what Melne thought

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of like kind of the board after that and the

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>management after that, and he was like, it's just it's

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of amateurs, people that don't know what they're doing,

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>like beyond the fact that they're just cronies for Thatcher,

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>like they're not good at this job.

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, apparently he Hussey was known to this point

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>for having almost run the Daily Mail into the ground

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and then almost run the Telegraph into the ground too,

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 2>so he was definitely not an obvious choice.

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, yeah, fast forward a lot, actually, if

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>you want to go all the way up to Tony

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Blair in the twenty first century. One of their big

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>first sort of controversies of that era was the Iraq Dossier.

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And May two thousand and three there was a defense

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>correspondent named Andrew Gilligan who got on Radio four and

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 1>alleged that the Iraq WMD dossier had been quote sexed up,

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>something that everyone understands as being the truth now, and

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Blair's press chief, Alistair Campbell, went on the counter and

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>a big feud sort of erupted between the BBC and

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the government and director general there, Greg Dyke was well,

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess he was sacked as well while he resigned

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>but kind of another strong arm.

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a huge, huge deal. And one of

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the most shocking things that came out of all of

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>this is that Andrew Gilligan's source on this matter was

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 2>a guy named David Kelly, who was a UN weapons expert,

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>so he really knew what he was talking about, but

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 2>he had been an anonymous whistleblower up to this point.

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 2>It leaked out somehow that he was the source. Yeah,

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 2>this huge government contray that basically said the UK faked

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>all of the stuff that helped America invade Iraq, and

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 2>David Kelly was found dead, apparently by suicide in the

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 2>woods by his house. Yeah, it's very sad too. Apparently

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a certain amount of people who are like, I

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 2>don't think he took his life.

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As soon as I read that, I was like,

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean there was an investigation apparently, and the government

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>was cleared of wrongdoing.

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 2>But you know, yeah, but I mean that'd be pretty

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>vindictive if you think about it, Like, I can really

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>buy the government killing this guy to silence and before

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>he can share this information, but to do it in

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>retribution seems even Wow.

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. The late nineties come along and the

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 1>digital revolution is upon us, and Director of General at

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.240
<v Speaker 1>that time John Burt, started BBC Online. He had visited

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the States and kind of realized that that was the future,

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and it really took off. They had at the time

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>just sort of a piecemeal network of web pages, and

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety seven they really kicked it off in

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>ernest with BBC Online with a general election and a

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>rolling news website for the first time was established after

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the death of Princess Diana, so it was hotly trafficked obviously.

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently nineteen million people watched her funeral, the largest

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 2>ever broadcast for them. And one of the things that

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 2>came out of this, and again this was really forward thinking.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>We're talking nineteen ninety seven and they're like, we're going

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 2>to put a substantial amount of money in creating our

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>web presence. One of the things that came out of

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>it was that iPlayer you were mentioning, yeah, Yeah, which

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>was launched in two thousand and seven and initially it

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 2>was like did you miss EastEnders this week, Well, come

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 2>watch it on iPlayer, And this was not a thing

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 2>at the time, like this was a really groundbreaking thing

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>for the BBC to come up with.

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a lot of lobbying by rivals, like

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>commercial rivals, so they had a lot of constraints at

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>first that you know, hey you can watch the Senators.

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>It was just for seven days at first, but it

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.799
<v Speaker 1>was free. Kyle said it was very easy to use.

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I cannot attest to that, but Kyle said it was.

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>And by twenty twelve, eye Player was voted the UK's

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>best brand and that was when they had the London

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Olympics going on, and that's a great time to have

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>something like Eyeplayer so you can catch the Olympics if

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you're not watching it live. But then Netflix would come

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>along in twenty twelve overseas and they were free from

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>those regulations and they could mine all the top shows

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>they wanted that they could, you know, cut deals with

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I think the BBC had

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>a restriction on their best shows for like seven years.

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:51.240
<v Speaker 1>So Netflix really put a herding on Eyeplayer for a while.

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I guess their audience share in the UK went

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 2>from forty percent to fifteen percent once Netflix showed up

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.280
<v Speaker 2>and I saw the adolescent. This is the most watched

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 2>show in the UK, I believe in history. It's pretty good.

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 2>And I guess the BBC's like, we can't, we can't

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>compete with this, like our Eeplayer. Even the Netflix chief

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>executive said the Eyeplayer really blazed the trail for video

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>on demand. Yeah, but they're like we can't, we can't

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 2>keep up with this. And it doesn't really matter because

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>everybody loves Eyeplayer, and I guess you would not necessarily

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 2>choose between Netflix and Eyeplayer. Maybe some do. I'm not

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>quite sure what the competition problem is.

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you, because it's.

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Not like BBC's like, give me some money for Eyeplayer,

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>like that's included in your license that you pay every year.

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they just don't like to look bad.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you don't want a dying product on

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>your company, you know.

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think it is dying. But yeah, Netflix

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>took a huge bite out of it.

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. But BBC is still around. BBC one

0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>still reaches millions of people on just on the t

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Radio four reaches about ten million people weekly. The sort

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of knock against or the crack against BBC, I guess

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 1>crack in the American sense, not the Irish sense. I

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 1>guess you would say the knock over there is that

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like for you know, for the senior set, like

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are people that watch the BBC or

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 1>in their sixties and you know it's sort of not

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>not the way forward it was our past. Yeah that's right, Chuck,

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 1>you play funeral music.

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Or something so well, I don't know yet that actually

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 2>remains to be seen. I don't. I can't imagine that

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the BBC is going to just be done away with,

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.760
<v Speaker 2>but it is quite possible that they're going to face

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>some some real change changes because in the twenty tens,

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 2>the BBC it was just missed up and scandal and

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>problem after problem. Apparently they worked on one hundred million

0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>pound digital media initiative where they were going to come

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 2>up with a great archive that's going to be super searchable,

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 2>and it just went nowhere. So they just wasted you know,

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I think ninety seven million pounds on it, and Brits

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 2>were outraged, which shows you, you know, that sense of

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 2>ownership that the average British person has for the BBC,

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 2>whereas like, if you found out, you know, Nickelodeon spent

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollars in a failed initiative, even though

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 2>you're paying through your cable subscription in part for Nickelodeon,

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't it would It would matter not. It's like Nickelodeon,

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 2>do whatever you want with the money. But Brits feel

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 2>like that about the BBC. That's the impression I have

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 2>from that response.

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, yeah, it's tied. Nickelodeon's not tied to the government.

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the big differences.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Sure.

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen, the Conservative government said hey, we need

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to start publishing these salaries and they revealed a gender

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>a pretty substantial gender pay gap, and people were also

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 1>not happy that dear arding executives got big payoffs and

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, ooh, what's big. Yeah. Deputy Deputy Director

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 1>General Mark Bifer got a nine hundred and forty nine

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>thousand pound payment in twenty eleven, and David Zaslov said,

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>hold my pint, guys, right, he made fifty two million

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>bucks last year. Yeah, And they said, oh no, no, no,

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>you can't make that much money, and so they're cutting

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>it back to like thirty something million this year.

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>That's funny. There's like that's too much money. Sorry, you

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>don't get that much. And he's like, okay, how much

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>do I get?

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Thirty something?

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I can make do. There was then

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:41.240
<v Speaker 2>like all sorts of terrible sex scandals too. Jimmy Seville

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 2>kicked it all off when he died in twenty eleven,

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:48.439
<v Speaker 2>and the a floodgate opened where people just started coming

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 2>forward being like, he sexually abused me in the sixties,

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 2>he sexually abused me in the seventies, eighties, nineties, two thousands.

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 2>He apparently had possibly hundreds of victims, a lot of

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>them chilled, some of them under like age sixteen, a

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>pretty substantial number. And it turned out that a lot

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 2>of people in the BBC were well aware of this

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and essentially spent their time covering this up because Jimmy

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Seville was just so revered in such a VIP that

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 2>he was treated with that much deference and like your

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>career would end if you went had to head with

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>him or even thought about it out loud.

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how much power he had as the host

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 1>of Top of the Pops. Very sad.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, imagine like Dick Clark doing that. You can't you

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 2>can't do it.

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty three, just a couple of years ago,

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Edwards, who was the lead presenter BBC News at

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>ten for twenty years since two thousand and three, played

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:50.240
<v Speaker 1>guilty to sex offenses as well, and a Master Chef

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 1>host Greg Wallace this year was sacked after dozens of

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:59.440
<v Speaker 1>sexual misconduct allegations were upheld. So yeah, they had a

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 1>long run of bad headlines leading all the way up

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 1>into like very very recently with the Trump administration.

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, there's a current scandal going on where Panorama again,

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 2>their investigative documentary series. They just released an episode, I

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 2>think it's the most recent one as of today, on

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump and the technocrats and in it, they spliced together

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 2>his speech that he gave on January sixth, which makes

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<v Speaker 2>it look like he directly called for violence, and the

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<v Speaker 2>I guess BBC was like, we regret this error. And

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's response was that he was going to sue for

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<v Speaker 2>no less than one billion dollars. Yeah, that's the first

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. The second part is that at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time this is like, these are just body blows

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<v Speaker 2>coming one after the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>An internal memo is leak that was basically said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think outright that the BBC is two left wing biased

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<v Speaker 2>and gave examples of it. That memo got and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>not only do the conservatives think that the it's left

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<v Speaker 2>wing biased, you think that it's left wing bias BBC,

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<v Speaker 2>or that you're left wing biased. So this is what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on as they're negotiating the charter that renews in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the stage is set for, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big battle is brewing on what that charter is

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<v Speaker 1>going to or what that yeah license fee is going

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<v Speaker 1>to look like and if it's even you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, people are calling it a regressive tax. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the BBC used to cover or the government

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<v Speaker 1>used to cover it for people over seventy. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>BBC is responsible for that. But yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be really interesting to see how it all plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I fear for the BBC a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you BBC. Get your act together, is what

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<v Speaker 1>I say.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, why not you got anything else about the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>or the biblic or the BEB.

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay I don't either, which means everybody, it's time for

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<v Speaker 2>listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>We got lots of good pop chart response one of

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<v Speaker 1>our more beloved episodes of Late and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people said eat them frozen, and here's one. Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>longtime listener from Santa Rosa, California. You guys have been

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<v Speaker 1>the soundtrack to so many moments of my life and

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<v Speaker 1>it brought so much joy and moments and times to

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<v Speaker 1>tell fun facts. So thank you. The recent pop tart episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I was waiting to see if you had mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate all caps way to enjoy pop tarts, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is frozen. However you did mention it, and Chuck shuddered

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<v Speaker 1>with what seemed to be terror at the thought. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember doing that, but I guess I did. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>strongly urge you to both try it. It's the pop chart,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in love, but in frozen treat form. Do

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<v Speaker 1>your taste buds of favor and go pop a couple

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<v Speaker 1>in the freezer, then pop them in your mouths. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is from Matt f and Matt you'll be glad

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<v Speaker 1>to know, because they're urging of another listener who said

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<v Speaker 1>cut those crust off first. I went and got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of those brown sugar simons. I cut the crust off,

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<v Speaker 1>put them back in the package, and I threw him

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<v Speaker 1>in the freezer, and I'll enjoy them at some point

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<v Speaker 1>this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you haven't enjoyed them yet.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I just put him in this afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm gonna before we record it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not an afternoon pop charter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're a morning guy or evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh late night, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you need to report back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, this means I can't butter them, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>willing to forgo that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could use cold pats of butter, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be good.

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<v Speaker 1>Or ooh, do you know I could do is melt

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<v Speaker 1>some butter and just dip that frozen in there bite

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<v Speaker 1>by bite.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's kind of like a reverse fried Snickers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll report back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll see Okay, And who is that from?

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<v Speaker 1>That was from Matt F.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Matt F. That was a great email

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll let you know what Chuck thinks. And in

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